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I am using tags, because there are some who prefer to wait for episode. Translations will be posted as soon as they are available.
Thanks to DTB FC of BA for spoilers
Suoh's dad is alive
new chara introduced... a girl
Someone is saying Suoh actually took Hei's power?
SHION IS ALIVE WITH DAD
HEI'S GROUP MAKES DEAL WITH RUSSIA TEAM.
AND WHAT THE F@!!! HEI WHY WANTED TO SELL JULY!!!! THEY WANTED TO GET A RIDE THAT PEOPLE STOLE JULY
AND IZANAGI IS JULY?? THERE ARE RUMOURS NEEDS TRANSLATION
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Hei's into S&M...
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Dr.Pavlichenko's lab was designed in order to keep Shion's existent in secret. The reason may related to "ME Network" research he was doing, which shouldn't exist.
Even though Dr.Pavlichenko's dead body was identified, his memory was found to be only one day long. Agent in Japan reports sighting of him in Tokyo.
Misaki waiting for someone at doll's roost hesitating to call Ishizaki Kanami when Genma found out. Genma hints Misaki that she always has an observer follows along though the medium does not exist where they are now.
Genma tells Misaki that he's also here for information, as someone low-ranked as him won't ever going to know what their superiors are planning.
Hei is now not only being followed by Japanese's agency, but also CIA and FSB. He is looking for a way out of Hokkaido, when a woman from what's-the-name-again comes to pick him up and help him disguise and travel.
That guy from FSB come to Japan with Tanya. Japanese agency hired Iriya Sokurov to hunts down Suou.
July being kidnapped by the woman who helped them escape earlier noting "Shota dolls are expensive" and calls for Suou's help. Suou ignoring Hei's order and went to help.
At the warehouse, Suou use a broken glasses to stop the woman but almost killing her when Iriya found out. Hei come to save them in time nothing "Thanks July, not me."
"Prepare it already. If we're going to hunt, we have to go for them first." Shion said to his father.
serenade_beta
2009-11-19, 15:30
Ahahahahaha! Knew it! :heh:
They brought in another super powerful Contractor just to move the plot, and when they are done, they just kill him off. :rolleyes: It's already a gag, considering how many times they've done this already...
The rest of the episode... Meh, nothing that great. I guess one good thing in the episode was that they didn't do Suou's deredere over that old man...
Kunagisa
2009-11-19, 15:45
I wonder how fast the Chinese's going to sub it this time.
PiggyBank
2009-11-19, 17:30
watched the raw while waiting for the subs so I didn't get much , but I can't help myself, sorry about that
All of you who are waiting for Hei to shave! He's got a proper beard now! (even if it's a disguise...) :heh:
watched the raw while waiting for the subs so I didn't get much , but I can't help myself, sorry about that
All of you who are waiting for Hei to shave! He's got a proper beard now! (even if it's a disguise...) :heh:
:upset: that makes me sad... i want my hot hei back!!!!! Damn Bones and their mind games...
And about the episode... it was kind of a filler dont you think?... we have just 12 episodes BONES, you can make fillers!!!
Shinji103
2009-11-20, 01:43
Mmmmmeh, mixed feelings. On the one hand they did emphasize again for the nay-sayers that dolls do still have a degree of free will; even July was helping out without instructions. And we got some focus on how Suou doesn't think of dolls as just tools, just as Hei did. (I say "did" because he seems to have devolved a little bit to the "dolls are just tools" mindset himself as part of his new emo-self, although he shows a bit of appreciation for July at the end)
On the other hand, we get a "freak of the week" villain, and they really could have integrated the parts with Suou's appreciation of dolls into a more plot-oriented episode rather than basically have almost everything come to a standstill for a story about Suou and dolls. This is really not what they should be doing in a 12-episode series. At least the next episode looks to be furthering the plot again.
6/10
Dr.Pavlichenko's lab was designed in order to keep Shion's existent in secret. The reason may related to "ME Network" research he was doing, which shouldn't exist.
Even though Dr.Pavlichenko's dead body was identified, his memory was found to be only one day long. Agent in Japan reports sighting of him in Tokyo.
Misaki waiting for someone at doll's roost hesitating to call Ishizaki Kanami when Genma found out. Genma hints Misaki that she always has an observer follows along though the medium does not exist where they are now.
Genma tells Misaki that he's also here for information, as someone low-ranked as him won't ever going to know what their superiors are planning.
Hei is now not only being followed by Japanese's agency, but also CIA and FSB. He is looking for a way out of Hokkaido, when a woman from what's-the-name-again comes to pick him up and help him disguise and travel.
That guy from FSB come to Japan with Tanya. Japanese agency hired Iriya Sokurov to hunts down Suou.
July being kidnapped by the woman who helped them escape earlier noting "Shota dolls are expensive" and calls for Suou's help. Suou ignoring Hei's order and went to help.
At the warehouse, Suou use a broken glasses to stop the woman but almost killing her when Iriya found out. Hei come to save them in time nothing "Thanks July, not me."
"Prepare it already. If we're going to hunt, we have to go for them first." Shion said to his father.
Well summarized. Several things were revealed and confirmed in this episode. I would like to add one or two things which I believe are important to understand what's going on.
Dr Pavlichenko fabricated the official document of his family member registration TWICE. It's not revealed when, but I think it implies death and rebirth of either Suou or Shion. However, a question is remaining. From the beginning, we were informed that Dr Pavlichenko can forge human's memory, but how can he have a replica of physical body for himself and Suou/Shion? Is this related to Shion's ability as a contractor? Well...
Genma describes the NAO as a roost of dolls. Interesting.
Btw, I think Iriya Sokurov is working for Russian Agency.
Finally, the most important thing. There is no henshin scene in this episode! :D
Hei to the rescue yet again, with his rave music!
I really liked this episode. Some nice development for July and Suou development, and at the same time we get to laugh at Hei's disguise. & laugh i did.
The contractor in this episode was a creepy, eerie guy. Kinda lost that image when he started talking though.
& the best scene this week has to be Suou planning to hit Mao with a snowball.
justdreamin
2009-11-20, 06:59
I don't know if this is revelant but in the Gemini myth one of the twins gives up part of their life so that the other may live. Darker than black seems to be following this myth based on suou and shion's stars, so maybe Shion did infact give up part of his contractor powers so that suou could live after the meteor. The other power of shion could be in making duplicates.
miroku2192
2009-11-20, 08:36
dang...hei cut the guy's fingers off doing that little jump thar :O!
Fun episode. Some familiar faces showed up again. Mao delivered his old man routine. Suou went into a contractor trans with some grisly results. (When did she train at throwing projectiles?) Poor July got the naked child duty this week. (Hang in there, little guy! Maybe with enough emotional development you too can start killing contractors left, right and center with your observation ghosts.) And Hei swooped in for the rescue.
Finally, the most important thing. There is no henshin scene in this episode! :D
If nothing else, I'll remember that creepy psycho-killer anesthetist for keeping this episode maho shojo free.
I don't know if this is revelant but in the Gemini myth one of the twins gives up part of their life so that the other may live. Darker than black seems to be following this myth based on suou and shion's stars, so maybe Shion did infact give up part of his contractor powers so that suou could live after the meteor. The other power of shion could be in making duplicates.
Shion probably makes the clones and Dr. Pavlichenko takes care of the memory transfer.
Von Himmel
2009-11-20, 12:23
Had just watch DTB for about 5 days...I must say, I shouldn't watch this in marathon when I haven't even watch this before. It makes my mind full of it and I don't think I can't think of anything else beside DTB for this week >.<
anyway....surprisingly, this episode is quite good for me o.o and for some reasons, Suou looks more 'human' than before >_>;
This wasn't the best episode so far however it was an OK episode.
It felt more like a filler-character development episode for Suou, Hei's teachings are really coming in handy for her. I think it's the first time she actually tried to kill a human being, or rather to say, she inflicted serious wounds on her victim although I don't think she hit anywhere vital but she could have died from bleeding.
Another question that popped into my mind is, why did Hei say "You should thank July"? How did he know July helped him since he can't see observation spirits?
Von Himmel
2009-11-20, 12:46
Probably when July observation ghost surprised that psychopatic contractor when he was trying to put Hei into 'that' state to kill him. After he was surprised, it seems that Hei managed to gain consciousness(?) and managed to kill him at last.
The problem is, how can he manage to find their place ? :( probably with informant or something like that...
Poetic Justice
2009-11-20, 12:58
It was a a mediocre episode, The pace is suffocatingly slow. Though we did finally find that souo's dad is alive and well. But Hei & co. haven't even reached tokyo yet, I should give up hope for seeing any more older characters though.
Also Illya was interesting but was snubbed out without any real exposure.
Aqua Knight
2009-11-20, 13:11
A soothing episode. Actually liked that glass throwing. Not much action but still watchable and enjoyable.
Chidori<3
2009-11-20, 13:46
Another question that popped into my mind is, why did Hei say "You should thank July"? How did he know July helped him since he can't see observation spirits?
Exactly... That was really weird to me...
Btw. that was weary bad episode... :mad:
damn.. only 12 ep and fillers ?!! What about Yin, what about Misaki ?:frustrated:
Good episode .
July was cute .
Hei probably saw July's hand who touch the window .
In other news, that was a cool finish to the episode.
Suou showed off her slightly sadistic side, I was wondering how long shed continue to impale that woman with shards of glass.
And all three are beginning to understand each other a bit more, the interaction among the three(or 4) is interesting.
TurquoiseThyme
2009-11-20, 15:59
This episode gave me alot to think about.
Dr Pavlichenko fabricated the official document of his family member registration TWICE. It's not revealed when, but I think it implies death and rebirth of either Suou or Shion. However, a question is remaining. From the beginning, we were informed that Dr Pavlichenko can forge human's memory, but how can he have a replica of physical body for himself and Suou/Shion? Is this related to Shion's ability as a contractor? Well...
I agree that Shion's ability as a contractor may well be creating a new body for someone who has died. I am remembering an earlier episode when Shion announced to his father that his renumeration had been paid, he was walking again. Now it appears that he is back to being confined to a weelchair, and his father seems to be alive in a new body. Concidence, I think not :D.
On a different aspect of the episode. I think that Hei is very intellegent. He regularly meets new contractors, figures out their powers, and uses that knowledge to help him kill them. That's really fast thinking.
When Hei tells Suou that she should "thank July", I think that one Hei knows that observation ghosts exist, two July observes through glass, three the enemy contractor exclamed like he was seeing something when Hei couldn't see anything, therefore Hei knows that July's observation ghost did something to help.
JackRydden224
2009-11-20, 16:12
It's ironic how without Hei around Suou did exactly what he didn't want her to do, (almost) killed somebody. I think we can all agree that if Mao didn't stopped her she would have killed that woman. On another Suou note, she looks a lot taller this episode. I thought she was suppose to be the same high as July. Perhaps we'll see her buying a bra a couple of episodes down XD
Hei doesn't seems to affected must without his powers, he can still kill contractors left and right. I suppose taking away his powers is a way to keep him from killing every body he runs into =)
Miles Teg
2009-11-20, 16:58
Hei doesn't seems to affected must without his powers, he can still kill contractors left and right. I suppose taking away his powers is a way to keep him from killing every body he runs into =)
He was killing contractor left and right before having his power :heh: (when he was protecting his sisters)
I don't know if this is revelant but in the Gemini myth one of the twins gives up part of their life so that the other may live. Darker than black seems to be following this myth based on suou and shion's stars, so maybe Shion did infact give up part of his contractor powers so that suou could live after the meteor. The other power of shion could be in making duplicates.
Yes, it seems to be the case for me. In the earlier episodes, it looks confusing because everything was poured at the same time, but it's getting clear in this episode. That is, the Shion-Suou relation comes from the Gemini myth, while the Shion-Yin relation is based on the Izanagi-Izanami myth, I think. (Probably Yin is in a state of suspended animation and they need Shion's ability to revive her. Before this, Yin should have become an important figure.)
Still, one thing makes me feel uneasy. A contractor has a superhuman ability and Pollux in Greek myths is a god, but a devine ability (ie. revival of life) in the DTB world? Well, isn't it too much? Also, I don't know what Shion's remuneration would be in this case.
If nothing else, I'll remember that creepy psycho-killer anesthetist for keeping this episode maho shojo free.
It could be that psycho or the writer. I personally doubt we will see the transformation scene again as the episode writer was changed. It seems to me that each writer has their own preferred way to tell a story. Okada Mari, who was in charge of ep 4, 5 and 6, was not my cup of tea, definitely.
It could be that psycho or the writer. I personally doubt we will see the transformation scene again as the episode writer was changed. It seems to me that each writer has their own preferred way to tell a story. Okada Mari, who was in charge of ep 4, 5 and 6, was not my cup of tea, definitely.
What? Why does it bother you that much? So just because of the transformation scene, the whole episode should be labeled "bad"? :confused:
It's only like 10 seconds, seriously. :heh:
I don't know if this episode was written by another person, but personally this was the weakest episode so far. The contractor dying in this episode shouldn't really be a problem, he wasn't that interesting to begin with and we didn't really get to know anything about him at all except some few details. In other words, his death didn't really change anything.
KaneDragon
2009-11-20, 17:52
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That is a sharp look for Hei. The idea of him swinging around like Batman looking like that breaks my brain a little, though.
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Another fan of Suou's underage ass. And she really should dress better for the weather.
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Suou is badass. Hell yes glass knife assassin.
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:heh:
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HEI'S RAVE MUSIC DEMANDS MORE SACRIFICES!
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I hate jellyfish.
What? Why does it bother you that much? So just because of the transformation scene, the whole episode should be labeled "bad"? :confused:
It's not just because of that. The henshin scene is just one of many. ;) Also, I did not say it's bad, but it's not to my taste. I think it's a huge difference. As for the episode writers, you can find all the relevant information in the ANN site. For the future episodes of S2, I posted it in the spoiler thread.
Thoses are jellyfish special made in Japan XD Too BIG !
Kaoru Chujo
2009-11-20, 18:46
The biggest thing for me in this episode was in the preview, when we saw Hei with Repnin on the train: there was a huge pile of plates in front of Hei. Perhaps Hei is becoming Hei again. Perhaps some of Pai's powers are going to surface in him?
I enjoyed the ep, because it advanced the story quite a bit: Dr. Pavlichenko and Shion; the reappearance of Repnin; the addition of a criminal syndicate to go with the Japanese agency (agencies?); Misaki possibly remembering Kyouko's warning and not agreeing to cooperate with Genma; the Russians; I was glad to see July being humanized, as Yin was last season; and a nice bit of Suou using weapons other than her gun.
Unlikely: Suou, who couldn't hit Mao/Petya with a snowball, putting four shards of glass into that woman. And yes, how did Hei know that July helped him? Another hint of returning powers?
My own opinion is that Okada Mari seems to be a better writer than this guy. There wasn't much flow. It was somehow mechanical. Too simple for me, this time, although the plot was more complex. To me, the previous "softer" episodes were more serious than this one, since they had what seemed to me more human content. But we all have our own perceptions and preferences.
And the super-powerful contractor lasted half an episode, as was mentioned, but that was not the episode writer, I don't imagine. That has to be the overall director, Okamura Tensai. I also suspect that that he, rather than the episode writer, decides when to put the mahou shoujo scene in (i.e., have Suou use powers).
I don't know why but that episode felt like a complete waste of a whole episode for some reason. Maybe that's because it's going to be only 12 episodes and there a lot of things to cover and we're halfway through already.
Still we leared a couple of new things about Izanami and Izanagi. We also saw Shion and from the way he looked he must have used his power again at some point after he escaped but we still don't know what his power is so that really doesn't help much. I thought it was something connected with revivng as you guys mentioned above but he couldn't have used it on his father since he ran away on foot from there meaning he didn't use his ability at that point. and form the info in the report the body was a day old meaning it was created right before the events in episode one.
About Suou - well the episode showed a couple of important things about her. She still has feelings for people around her and she acts on them, she thinks rationally and logically unlike in the previous episdes and in a complete contrast with the first one she seems to loose herself in her contractor killing nature at times. Also she seems to view doll the way Hei did in episode one -as something more than just tools but she has stornger feelings for them.
The scene with the glass was qutie brutal. Now why didn't she use her power the moment she saw that guy and instead tried to run away. She was near him so she should have figured at least something about his power and while he was talking she could have shot him seing she brutally impailed a woman with pieces of glass just a second ago. Ok that was done due to the fact that they had to move on with the episode so it wasn't really anything one could complain about.
Another thig is that unlike before the FSB now doesn't seem to want to kill Suou. There was also that creepy glasses guy who I might add felt really out of place and his background which hinted he was a serial killer that only killed women didn't really help, not to mention he freeked out when he saw July's observation ghosts. How is he considered a good agent when he killed a person that had nothing to do with what he had to do? Well he died so there's no reason to mention him anymore.
We again saw that dolls do have feeling but they're not vary good at showing them. I think it's clear July is acting on his own free will in joining Hei and Suou.
Mao doesn't really fit in the story for me. He's mostly there to provide us with funny scenes and every now and then say something important but that's it. And what's with him always grabbing strange things - there was the bath scene in episode one and now Suou's skirt. I mean really - fanservice squirrel moments?
From the way things are going and the preview it seems that the FSB now only wants info from Hei and Suou. I think that maybe Section 13 is a organistion of the Syndicate so we might seem everyone trying to bring them down in the end. Of course with that we loose the Tanya vs Suou development which was sure to be very interesting if done right and would be a good point to show the Darker than Black atmosphere - killing one of your best firends and all the doubt, fear and regret that comes with it.
Basically the epiosde wasn't bad at all but it slowed down the progress of the plot since it mostly showed events that have no major impact on future events. And as I said considering it will only be 12 episodes this isn't really a good point.
Yu Ominae
2009-11-20, 19:38
Holy hell! Yuji Ueda as the Russian Contractor...
World of seiyus never seizes to amaze me. :D
Slick_rick
2009-11-20, 20:08
I'll have to go against public opinion and say this was the best episode in a while. Much improved over last arc.
They didn't try to do too much and the pacing was well handled. A lot of intrigue and questions raised. It is a perfect setup episode to the coming episodes. The scene where Suou was viciously throwing glass shards into a defenseless women and had to have Mao tell her to stop was very well done. She definitely has a vengeful streak and didn't take kindly to July being stolen. The only down part of this episodes was when the contractor showed up. They tried so hard to show he was some sort of badass but in the end he was pretty weak fodder. They could have done without including him in this episode.
We had a lot of things happened this episodes but unlike previous episodes they didn't try to cover up the lack of things happening with randomness to take attention away from the lack of story to tell. They kept the fetish fanservice down to the minimum, only had to deal with a naked Shota, and had very good characterization of all characters.
I don't know why people are saying this is "just 12 episodes" since I think it's pretty obvious the story can be wrapped up in 2 or 3 episodes if they really wanted to. The last few episodes we filled with loads of stuff that will have much less influence on the actual main plot than this episode which was actually filled with a lot of relevant material to expanding on that plot.
Actually liked that glass throwing.
The only scene in the whole ep. worth watching. Still no blood meh...
Also, I'm truly amazed by BONES decision not to employ Suou firing her rifle scenes. It's kinda crazy. Fire the producer tbh :D
And what was that car chase thing? What are they thinking? Was feeling kinda surreal watching such hollywoodish scene in anime series...
Anyway, this ep. was the last drop. I'm dropping DtB-2 cause it has nothing to offer me... Shounen / adventure just not my genre I guess. Pity I didn't do it earlier, but was hooked by Suou+rifle combination and didn't know BONES will waste its potential so incompetently (she didn't kill a single person still!).
P.S. DtB-1 was good though. It was seinen, it was smart and stylish, it had good plot and good ending, and I loved the detective duo :)
P.P.S. I think in eps. 12-13 Suou will do some shooting, so I'm going to watch them ;)
P.P.P.S. Ah, and squirrel + scotch was nice too :D
This series seems much like season 1 to me, if season one had been one big story instead of lots of smalls stories ending in a kind of bigger story influenced by some of the smaller ones.
Anyway I liked this episode, it showed that Suou has at least really learned some skills other then just her gun and continued with the fun game of introduce some deadly contractor followed by their death later in the same episode.
Shirogane
2009-11-21, 00:12
The only scene in the whole ep. worth watching. Still no blood meh...
Hm? At least the one I watched did have blood...
Yu Ominae
2009-11-21, 00:21
Yeah. Suo was a good glassslinger. XD
It seemed like the content is this episode was more than the last few, and had far bigger potential, but the writer couldn't pull it off properly. As far as story progression I loved it, but it definitely didn't flow right. There were parts that made me yawn even though they should have been interesting, and the car chase at the end seemed like it was just put in to get some action going before the ep ended.
The only scene in the whole ep. worth watching. Still no blood meh...
Also, I'm truly amazed by BONES decision not to employ Suou firing her rifle scenes. It's kinda crazy. Fire the producer tbh :D
And what was that car chase thing? What are they thinking? Was feeling kinda surreal watching such hollywoodish scene in anime series...
Anyway, this ep. was the last drop. I'm dropping DtB-2 cause it has nothing to offer me... Shounen / adventure just not my genre I guess. Pity I didn't do it earlier, but was hooked by Suou+rifle combination and didn't know BONES will waste its potential so incompetently (she didn't kill a single person still!).
P.S. DtB-1 was good though. It was seinen, it was smart and stylish, it had good plot and good ending, and I loved the detective duo :)
P.P.S. I think in eps. 12-13 Suou will do some shooting, so I'm going to watch them ;)
P.P.P.S. Ah, and squirrel + scotch was nice too :D
No blood? There was plenty of blood. That whole glass flinging thing got that poor girl's butt and back all bloody. And you might've missed it since it was so fast, Hei's grappling rope thing tightened so much so soon that it cut off the Russian guy's fingers. That's pretty gruesome.
I agree for 13 episode series, things are moving a bit slow, but it seems like the whole point of Suou's character is to have her retain her humanity while transforming into a contractor. I think the overall message here is the whole "losing emotion =/= not human anymore". So her killing someone would probably be a BIG thing in the story (especially when Hei is beginning to develop sympathy for her character, and doesn't want to corrupt her anymore). They might be saving it for the end or later in the series. Fine by me to be honest, it's not like we don't have enough Hei whooping ass action.
I really like the interaction between the characters here. It's IMO, a pivotal point in reinforcing the theme once again that contractors and dolls ARE humans. The car chase hammers that point home by having those three work together and care for each other.
July's great!
I liked the part Suou threw those shards,but it was horrible for that pretty woman to die just after an episode,I wonder what dream she had (: .July + Suou moments are adorable as hell! I still need more action from this series,its not going to be 20+ eps?
Hei doesn't seems to affected must without his powers, he can still kill contractors left and right. I suppose taking away his powers is a way to keep him from killing every body he runs into =)
He was killing contractor left and right before having his power :heh: (when he was protecting his sisters)
Just to add on what Miles Teg said, Hei received his colorful title, kuro no shinigami prior to borrowing his abilities from his sister. He was already well known among certain quarters for his ability to kill. His sister was the one that had the designation, BK201. After that incident which created the Hell's Gate in Central America, his sister disappears and Hei somehow absorbs her particular powers which is to change the make up of any object (human body, particle accelerator, etc.) at a molecular level when anyone receives that electric jolt. That brings me to another point.
Amber was the one that observed Hei's sister apparently was still within him. Whether it was semantics or not, we do know that the machine used to take away Hei's power is very significant. The last time when the syndicate tried to eradicate every living contractors by blowing up the gate in Japan with that particle accelerator, it was Hei who emitted some sort of power to disrupt the accelerator. If such thing is tried again by the syndicate, the only one who could get in the way was Hei. However, Hei doesn't have his power anymore. So the question is....
Is there another attempt coming up in the near future to eradicate the contractors?
A very good poster pointed out to me that this season makes much more sense if S1 is revisited, especially the Amber arc from the point where they were blowing buildings and such before leading up to the conclusion.
As for this episode, I've enjoyed it the most out of this season thus far..
KaneDragon
2009-11-21, 09:12
Is there another attempt coming up in the near future to eradicate the contractors?
Do international conspiracies have anything better to do with their time? :rolleyes:
I kinda figured that was a given. :heh:
Good episode, continues prior events nicely.
Do international conspiracies have anything better to do with their time? :rolleyes:
lol... You've got that right. I was kind of slow on the take. I just started realizing the possibility after I was re watching season 1. There are still too many questions like the role Section 3 is playing, Madame Oreille and her twins, John Smith, and Yin who is the biggest puzzle. And in the midst of all Suou the loli whose role in it as mysterious as her devious twin Shion.
My appreciation for the 2nd season increased by large margin after I've picked up season 1 for a rewatch. The story is making much more sense.
Full Metal Coast
2009-11-21, 12:07
not my favorite episode this season but it was ok,
still even though Hei has lost his powers he still shouldnt be taken lightly. also after seeing this episode i am so convinced that for Hei to get his powers back it has something to do with the meteor fragment necklace.
also im getting a bit worried that this is going to be wrapped up really quickly/badly or there will be a part 2 release because i just cant see them doing this properly in a 12 episode season.
LightningZERO
2009-11-21, 14:08
Interesting episode with few plot advancements. The father is still alive and Shion is up to something....
More conspiracies. Wait...did the Section 3's head called Shion as "Izanami", isn't Izanami = Yin?
I like the Suou throwing glass shards scene. Very brutal...And finally, Hei gets to kill somebody after few episode of getting his ass kicked :D
Hopefully there will be more answers in the next episode. There's too many questions and too many conspiracies
At 06:25 the old guy ask if the info about Izanagi's father been already in tokyo is true. So Izanagi can be Shion or Suou. And they might think that Suou is Shion, so we have again the possibility that Shion is Izanagi.
Regarding Pólux, he was immortal, but not a god. His twin was Castor, who was a mortal. They are siblings from Helen (from Troy) and Clitmnestra. Then we have Pólux (who was immortal) and Helen, who are sons of Zeus and Clitmnestra and Castor, who are sons of a mortal man.
Due to his immortality, Pólux was always absent minded, and during a combat his lack of attention cost his twin life. Because Zeus loved too much the twyns, Hades agree that Pólux trade shifts with Castor in the underworld, and by this way Castor come back to life. But it was a incomplete existence due to the fact that their relationship was too close. Feeling sorrow for that, the gods turned them into stars and cast them in the sky.
kk2extreme
2009-11-21, 16:01
moral of the ep, don't mess with July or he will call up friends to kill you
Is there another attempt coming up in the near future to eradicate the contractors?
My impression so far says the answer is "no". I think the entire story about the syndicate and contractors would have settled in the ODA series and S2's theme is something new. In S2, all the contractors are fodders. Hamburger guy, Magician, Water woman, Psycho guy, ... They are just easy come, easy go. And Hei lost his contractor's ability, too. For me, it looks like saying that “we are not talking about contractors anymore!” Instead, dolls come into spotlight of S2: Yin, July, and probably Suou.
They kept the fetish fanservice down to the minimum, only had to deal with a naked Shota, and had very good characterization of all characters.
In my opinion, revealing July’s naked body is kind of apparatus to make viewers more sympathetic to Suou’s violence rather than a fan-service. If there is a fan-service in this episode, it might be the scene that Mao is hanging around Suou’s skirts, even if it’s nothing.
moral of the ep, don't mess with July or he will call up friends to kill you
For me, it’s “No mercy for pedo!” :D
Lostdreams
2009-11-21, 19:42
Just to add on what Miles Teg said, Hei received his colorful title, kuro no shinigami prior to borrowing his abilities from his sister. He was already well known among certain quarters for his ability to kill. His sister was the one that had the designation, BK201. After that incident which created the Hell's Gate in Central America, his sister disappears and Hei somehow absorbs her particular powers which is to change the make up of any object (human body, particle accelerator, etc.) at a molecular level when anyone receives that electric jolt. That brings me to another point.
Amber was the one that observed Hei's sister apparently was still within him. Whether it was semantics or not, we do know that the machine used to take away Hei's power is very significant. The last time when the syndicate tried to eradicate every living contractors by blowing up the gate in Japan with that particle accelerator, it was Hei who emitted some sort of power to disrupt the accelerator. If such thing is tried again by the syndicate, the only one who could get in the way was Hei. However, Hei doesn't have his power anymore. So the question is....
Is there another attempt coming up in the near future to eradicate the contractors?
A very good poster pointed out to me that this season makes much more sense if S1 is revisited, especially the Amber arc from the point where they were blowing buildings and such before leading up to the conclusion.
As for this episode, I've enjoyed it the most out of this season thus far..
Amber!!!
My fav char in this show. Too bad she's gone.
Anyways, commenting on the new ep, I guess they're going back to the theme that contractors have human feelings too.
Yup, I'm starting to like where the plot is going. I can't say I've been entirely pleased with the development of the last 6 episodes, although I did enjoy them immensely. I echo popular sentiments when I say that I wish that Hei will eventually receive his powers back and go all GAR again.
The instances with July were especially entertaining. I laughed when he tried to stifle his shock at the freezing water going down his back. Ah, good ol' DtB. It's what I wait for every week. : )
JackRydden224
2009-11-21, 22:48
Just watched the episode again and I thought of 3 things
-Suou like how Hei called her name but she has yet to use his name in the series
-Suou still thinks that Hei killed her father since there has been no explanation on their side otherwise
-Seem like the whole meteor fragment ordeal is forgotten from the time being since it hasn't been an issue since episode....3?
Shibataea
2009-11-21, 23:37
In my opinion, revealing July’s naked body is kind of apparatus to make viewers more sympathetic to Suou’s violence rather than a fan-service. If there is a fan-service in this episode, it might be the scene that Mao is hanging around Suou’s skirts, even if it’s nothing.
Well, it was fanservice to some people. ...Like me.
Narutaro
2009-11-21, 23:50
Well, it was fanservice to some people. ...Like me.
there's a reason why shota dolls are expensive:heh:
Guardian Enzo
2009-11-21, 23:53
I'll also go against the grain and say that was an above-average episode. The most interesting element of this mythology for me is the question of the degree of humanity (or lack thereof) among the contractors and dolls, and we saw quite a bit of development in that area. For all the so-called rules about the emotional limitations of both classes, the obvious evidence is that they're flexible at best. Plus, July is fast emerging as the funniest character on the show so any ep that features him heavily can't be bad.
"Ow."
I remember something that mut be really important. At 06:56, the old geezer said that they need act while the moon is still gone.
So, we have the time when the moon will return approaching and a doll acting by it's own.
That glass throwing part doesn't sit well with me. I guess there's something inside me that is against killing off panicking defenseless characters - thats how that woman looked when she got cut with first piece of glass.
Von Himmel
2009-11-22, 07:49
I remember something that mut be really important. At 06:56, the old geezer said that they need act while the moon is still gone.
So, we have the time when the moon will return approaching and a doll acting by it's own.
I remember that the moon supposed to disappear along with the real stars when the gate appeared...him saying all that stuffs might gives us some clue about the disappearance, IMO ;(
btw, why is it connected with the doll ? o.o
I'll also go against the grain and say that was an above-average episode. The most interesting element of this mythology for me is the question of the degree of humanity (or lack thereof) among the contractors and dolls, and we saw quite a bit of development in that area. For all the so-called rules about the emotional limitations of both classes, the obvious evidence is that they're flexible at best. Plus, July is fast emerging as the funniest character on the show so any ep that features him heavily can't be bad.
"Ow."
QFT! I definitely felt that this episode was a par above all the others thus far, and revealed a degree of significant character progression that invariably moves the plot somewhat forward too. I like that there didn't need to be major mind-blowing incidents, but that we get a glimpse more of what might be happening, the little hints and teasers that are still being revealed to us viewers through the interactions between the characters.
July is fast becoming my favourite character! And monir's comments on the rewatching the first season and its relation to this current season compels me to go back for a rewatch myself.
risingstar3110
2009-11-22, 11:47
I enjoyed this episode too. Agreed that it's a filler. But we always need a break between the first half and the second half of the series =)
Then people would start to complaint how no one was sent after them as they travelled from Hokkaido to Tokyo otherwise. Also their covers would not be blew off if the second half incident didn't happen
The plot is predictable? Wow surely you guys watched a lots of anime. First i thought the episode end with the doll smuggling turn to something big. It didn't. Then i thought the episode ended as a cliff-hanger: Suou and July are caught, and Hei followed them just like that. Glad they didn't try to drag it into another episode . Before the ED, i was kind of excited with the fact "who need electricity-control ability while you are a badass" , right? Take him short enough to get a guy who was driving a car on the freeway, with a piece of wire :D
So yeah, Hei showed who is the boss again. July is more likable now (he should keep his current hairstyle); and Suou is really adorable and cool for a gun-slinger girl standard
PS: the only thing which i have to complaint is: i thought Hei's puple coat is random picked, but it seems he bring it with him everywhere now. Also, he should be shaved before he wear his fake beard, right? Also i want my Suou in uniform D:
Damn Hei and his fetist, who else here can force Suou change clothes during a run. Or do he feel less guilty if Suou do not wear something high school-ish?
btw, why is it connected with the doll ? o.o
I really don't know.
@__@
It can be just a coincidence. But dolls and contractors appears with the Gates, and with the Gates the real sky is gone. Now it seens that, if not the entire real sky, at least the moon will burst in the sky.
JackRydden224
2009-11-22, 20:26
So I just watched the episode again. I still don't understand why Suou and Genma seem perfectly personable and functioning to a point where Ilya didn't know Suou was a contract at first, while Tanya seems completely out of it. I remember the contractors from Ambers group from season 1 seemed like functioning individuals as well. Tanya is more doll like then a contractor.
EDIT : speaking of Genma, who think he is trying to fool Misaki into thinking he is on her side? He could be acting under order to get more info
it seems like the whole point of Suou's character is to have her retain her humanity while transforming into a contractor. I think the overall message here is the whole "losing emotion =/= not human anymore". So her killing someone would probably be a BIG thing in the story
Hmmmmm... Now when I think about it...
DragoZERO
2009-11-22, 21:55
I really wish Misaki had new glasses. They are old and out of style now.
Anyway, this was an okay episode I guess. I'm glad I got a shock with how Suou's father is "alive" in Tokyo. I hope Hei get's his powers back though. He's been lucky not really needing them so far, but I'm sure he'll get cornered eventually.
My impression so far says the answer is "no". I think the entire story about the syndicate and contractors would have settled in the ODA series and S2's theme is something new. In S2, all the contractors are fodders. Hamburger guy, Magician, Water woman, Psycho guy, ... They are just easy come, easy go. And Hei lost his contractor's ability, too. For me, it looks like saying that “we are not talking about contractors anymore!” Instead, dolls come into spotlight of S2: Yin, July, and probably Suou.
S1 focused a lot on the dolls too. If I remember correctly, there were 3 arcs devoted to dolls. Amber (I'm bringing her up once again :)) was the one who impressed on Hei that the dolls were showing all the signs of change. And so were the contractors. Hei as an exception held true until Huang's wife came along. She committed suicide to protect Huang from the syndicate and the contractors were supposed to be too rational to commit suicide. And then there the development in regards to Yin where she broke all norms held by dolls. It was even specifically hinted in the finale that the dolls were the key to bridging the gap for the next phases of human evolution.
Right now the impression I get from the preview for the upcoming OAD episodes is that the 4 episodes will bridge whatever transpired after season 1 concluded. Those episodes should also fill in the gap to what made Hei the "Hobo Hei" who is living the dream. (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=88743)
While I agree with you that this season is about the dolls, S1 had already set it up. S2 will provide the conclusion to the story.
Amber!!!
My fav char in this show. Too bad she's gone. .
She is my favorite too. Considering Mao supposed to be gone also, may be there are hope for Amber. I know... wishful thinking. :)
To Yura`: I definitely recommend a rewatch of S1 if you can afford the time. A lot of things about S2 starts making sense. The only thing that is lacking in S2 is the great scores by Yoko Kanno.
First thing: no transformation scene yay gets a 10 rating now.
Okay now on to more important stuff.
Suou goes into killing mode involuntarily. No she was not in a trance if she was we would have been showed her bleak eyes. What most likely happen is that she was very focused on saving July and that she had to neutralize the women but she wasn't gauging the amount of damage she was causing. She was intencely focused on her throwing that she had not sense of what was happening around her and the effect she was having on her target and at the same time it made her forget about her convictions for life that she showed very strongly up till now. When Mao called her it just made her brake her concentration and she was then able to gage she might have over done it. Also Suou was also acting very emotional in this episode as well. Her decision to jump into that truck to try and go rescue July was not rational it was emotional based on her feelings towards July. I’m pretty sure in the coming episodes Suou will reflect on that.
Also I am starting to think of the following. on a scale from 0 to 100, where 0 represents the logical thinking of a normal human and 100 would represent the perfect logical contractors you could say the following:
1: Contractors would all be placed in the 90-100 section of the scale.
2: Humans would occupy the 0-10 portion of this scale.
Now where would Hei be? He wasn’t a very rational contractor in season 1 but he always gave me the felling he was more rational the regular humans. So I would place Hei at say 25. Now Suou is acting a lot more rational the Hei ever did by a long shot, but she is also very strongly driven by her emotions, at times she is extremely logical and other extremely emotional. She isn’t in the same patch as normal contractors. I would place her at 50 since she is quite equally thorn between the 2.
Hei and his hero rave music for the save. Was cool fight I must admit and was awesome to see Hei kicking ass. But 2 things bothered me in that scene.
1: When Hei jumped to the other side of the car and pulled on his string like a mad men he cuts the dude’s fingers with his wire but he doesn’t cut into the neck at all. Seeing that I like WHAT!!! Total realism breaker.
2: When Suou tanks him for the rescue Hei said she should thank July. Most people here seem to think it’s in relation to the apparition ghost. However the bigger question is how did Hei know where to find them? He couldn’t call in information from sources on someone who is moving in a car. I wonder if Hei has not regained his ability to see observer ghosts again. Like Suou saw ghosts before her powers awakened. Because short of that there is no way I can see Hei finding them like he did as fast as he did.
Mao taped to the car window was funny. And he’s also a lolicon, what is he thinking holding onto and looking a 13 year olds skirt.
Now for the body that was actually not the body of the doctor. I do not believe that Shion created a body. If he did he would have had to pay remuneration again. I still think his power is to bring back someone from death as would be suggested by episode’s 1 scene of Shion and Suou getting hit by the star and then Shion calling Suou name when she is nowhere to be seen.
That body is probably created by plain science, they had it plan out long ago that something like this would happen and they would need to escape one day. He probably had a spare body on hand not to mention that ME stuff seems to take no time at all to do. Remember season 1 the first arc of that lady that was associated with the French agents. Well she too was just a body with the memory of someone else. They do live in a world of hover cars, wacky pumped up science and where you memory can be erased, modified, removed, copied, implanted and whatever else. So having a spare body is no surprise at all since he was working in an ME lab and thus probably had equipment to create bodies as well to implant memory into and test his experiments.
This makes me wonder is Suou also just a body with fake memories, like that girl from season1, only Suou is a more advance version.
risingstar3110
2009-11-23, 09:55
About how did he cut that guy finger but not his head, my guess is because he have quite a strong initial force when he drop down to one side. The force then decrease due to him try to stay on the car until it get slower
fedor mma
2009-11-23, 11:08
This was a pretty good episode.The short battle between Hei and the extremely scary contractor and Suou's brutal attack on that lady were the highlights.Also Hei has really changed his treatment of Suou, a few episodes ago she would have been slapped to shit for that little stunt she pulled on him.
So I just watched the episode again. I still don't understand why Suou and Genma seem perfectly personable and functioning to a point where Ilya didn't know Suou was a contract at first, while Tanya seems completely out of it. I remember the contractors from Ambers group from season 1 seemed like functioning individuals as well. Tanya is more doll like then a contractor.
EDIT : speaking of Genma, who think he is trying to fool Misaki into thinking he is on her side? He could be acting under order to get more info
At the end of S1, we go deeper into the Contractor psyche. They're still emotional and functional individuals with curiosity, and feelings. It's just that they limit decision making to rational behavior instead of emotional behavior. At the end of S1 when Amber was talking to Hei about Contractors, she revealed that as time went by bit by bit the Contractors are beginning to behave differently, and eventually they grouped together and want to fight for their rights to be classified as humans again. The more information you acquire (life experience) the more changes you would make to you logical reasoning. So in the end they are functional individuals, just different. We can probably assume that each Contractor's behavior is different from each other, just like a human individual. Some might take a longer time to re-understand human connection, some might take less.
In Suou's case, the reason is not revealed yet (but probably will be later on in the story), Hei and Mao did theorize that it's because she was still young and didn't have enough information in her brain to think logically yet. Which makes sense, if you don't know what's most beneficial to you, you won't know what's the most logical decision. While in Tanya's case it is probably her own individual psyche that makes her differnet than Suou.
Suou's reasoning is that she doens't need to kill when it is unnecessary, It would just cause more problems. It seems to be a very human reasoning, but it is VERY logical too. Hei was just forcing her to kill, it wasn't for food or for survival, killing for fun and for no reason would be the illogical thing to do.
Tanya's reasoning is that she needs to secure herself a safety position in the Russian military or else she would be the one to die. Who ever gets in her way would just need to pay the price. She did have mercy though, since she let Nika live the first time (she even mentioned it), but not the next time :(.
Sinestra
2009-11-23, 15:01
I was actually quite surprised by Suou's glass throwing technique she didnt miss a single one and actually had to be told to stop throwing them. This was one of the few times she actually displayed typical characteristics of a Contractor. This may also just be an effect of Hei's training which she remembered when she saw the glass.
Intranetusa
2009-11-23, 21:13
I'd say the "contractors are logical" idea is BS just like the "contractors have no emotions" idea.
Both were probably created by ignorant people who wanted to generalize and stereotype this new group of people.
My theory on this is that newly awakened Contractors are the most removed from being human... after you've been a Contractor for a period of time, Contractors start becoming human again
Vulcannis
2009-11-24, 01:13
This makes me wonder is Suou also just a body with fake memories, like that girl from season1, only Suou is a more advance version.
I'm thinking the same thing. It would also explain why Mao or Hei said she wasn't a complete person or somesuch. Perhaps her memories were saved by her father, since the ME can do that from a body, and then put into the new clone. There may even have been a time lapse of some sort, making Suou mentally younger than she is. Or perhaps the ME can't make a perfect copy.
But it seems like Shion is calling the show with regards to his father and there's no way that the 3 could have survived the meteor impact. One had to revive the other 2 first to start the cycle. I still think that Suou revived Shion and the father. Shion gave Suou a body. Suou's memory was tampered with to leave out the traumatic parts. Experiments on Shion were done to copy his ability.
This could be the situation similar to Kara no Kyoukai. If the spare is a 100% copy, then it doesn't matter which one is the original and which one is the copy. A copy is created. A version of the father is dead with one alive to help Shion.
I suspect that the original may be dead and the copy is with Shion. The version with Shion doesn't seem to be worrying about Suou.
Kaoru Chujo
2009-11-24, 14:55
Shion seems a bit creepy, even if he is on "our side." Maybe Dr. Pavlichenko wanted Suou not to spend too much time in his room (in ep1) because he's dangerous.
I wonder what all the origami in his room meant.
I wonder what/whom Shion is getting up early to hunt.
Sinestra
2009-11-24, 15:08
Is it possible that Suou is a product of another Contractors powers?
Shion seems a bit creepy, even if he is on "our side." Maybe Dr. Pavlichenko wanted Suou not to spend too much time in his room (in ep1) because he's dangerous.
I wonder what all the origami in his room meant.
I wonder what/whom Shion is getting up early to hunt.
I'd take out the Japanese agency that's causing problems.
That origami seemed to be a big deal in earlier episodes so I too wonder what's up with it.
DragoZERO
2009-11-24, 18:01
Maybe the origami is just something they always did when they were younger together and it just ended up being her remuneration.
Maybe the origami is just something they always did when they were younger together and it just ended up being her remuneration.
But then that would not be something to remind them of trauma or a bodily harm thing like the other contractors had. Even Ilya was drawing his potential victims in ways that suggested how he killed females in the past. Reminding him of the good old days of loving to kill people.
But then that would not be something to remind them of trauma or a bodily harm thing like the other contractors had. Even Ilya was drawing his potential victims in ways that suggested how he killed females in the past. Reminding him of the good old days of loving to kill people.
Well for him that wasn't a bad renumeration. He said he enjoyed it and he still does (the killing part)
About Shion's father - they said the copy had only one day of memory mening it was only one day old. That would mean that Shion didn't create it since at that time he was still paying his renumeration. So the only other person who could pull something like that at that time was the doctor himslef. That migh suggest that he's a contractor as well. From that impact it's 2 out of 3 for now so why not?
After watching this a bit more, I've come to the conclusion Hei needs to get a taser or something.
Intranetusa
2009-11-25, 03:24
.Also Hei has really changed his treatment of Suou, a few episodes ago she would have been slapped to shit for that little stunt she pulled on him.
The power of his pimp hand is fading... =/
JackRydden224
2009-11-25, 04:39
After watching this a bit more, I've come to the conclusion Hei needs to get a taser or something.
LOL amen that.
I'm glad he doesn't have his powers though. If he did in that fight with Genma he would have killed the truck man for sure.
EDIT : If Hei never lost his powers he probably would have killed Tanya, Hazuki, Genma and Michiru. Yes, that's every single contract he runs into. There wouldn't be much of a story or character development if Hei goes around and kill everybody XD
S1 focused a lot on the dolls too. If I remember correctly, there were 3 arcs devoted to dolls. Amber (I'm bringing her up once again :)) was the one who impressed on Hei that the dolls were showing all the signs of change. And so were the contractors. Hei as an exception held true until Huang's wife came along. She committed suicide to protect Huang from the syndicate and the contractors were supposed to be too rational to commit suicide. And then there the development in regards to Yin where she broke all norms held by dolls. It was even specifically hinted in the finale that the dolls were the key to bridging the gap for the next phases of human evolution.
Right now the impression I get from the preview for the upcoming OAD episodes is that the 4 episodes will bridge whatever transpired after season 1 concluded. Those episodes should also fill in the gap to what made Hei the "Hobo Hei" who is living the dream. (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=88743)
While I agree with you that this season is about the dolls, S1 had already set it up. S2 will provide the conclusion to the story.
I agree on what you said. When I said S2 is about "something new", what I meant was the final villain. In episode 7, they revealed various things about the set up, so the next thing to find out is who is the final boss! It will be necessary to understand the whole structure of the story.
In this regard, I don't think the syndicate (or similar evil organization) would come back again. For me, this series does not suit that kind of villain. I don't think Section 3 would take that role, either. Then, who? Madam Orellie? John Smith? Shion's father? Or any chance for July (as a trojan horse of MI6)?
Well, it was fanservice to some people. ...Like me.
That glass throwing part doesn't sit well with me. I guess there's something inside me that is against killing off panicking defenseless characters - thats how that woman looked when she got cut with first piece of glass.
Naked young boy and brutal violence. Probably they attempted to produce interesting vibes by combining two unusual scenes. Actually, I chuckled when I watched those part because, for me, it looks like the writer was saying, "Do you want to use a nude scene in DtB? OK, I will show how to do it!" :D
I really don't know.
@__@
It can be just a coincidence. But dolls and contractors appears with the Gates, and with the Gates the real sky is gone. Now it seens that, if not the entire real sky, at least the moon will burst in the sky.
This reminds me of first ED song of S1, Tsukiakari (moonlight), and OP song of S2, Tsukiakari no Michishirube (guided by moonlight). For me, those songs look like a theme song for Yin and Suou, respectively. So it could be another hint that there is a connection between dolls and moon.
So it could be another hint that there is a connection between dolls and moon.
Yeah. Contractors are linked with stars. Maybe dolls share a connection with the moon. Yin share a special bound with the moon, although she alreay enjoyed it before the Gates.
About Shion's father - they said the copy had only one day of memory mening it was only one day old.
Maybe not. They couldn't trace how old the body was, after all it was a copy. But the memomy could be set up to only one day. Why? Conceal information.
Suou might be a doll. When the meteor fell, we saw Shion, Dr. Pavchylenko and a doll/ghost (as we have seen in the end of S1), but in there it was Yin.
Suou can be "programmed" to act as an normal human being.
Well, it's just some theories, and we are far from have any real information who could make it clear.
Kaoru Chujo
2009-11-25, 12:52
Probably I'm missing something, but I have no idea why people are thinking Suou is a doll. What doll has ever been a contractor? She may be a manufactured person, but that doesn't make her a doll. She has never shown any of the personality of a doll, to me.
Probably I'm missing something, but I have no idea why people are thinking Suou is a doll. What doll has ever been a contractor? She may be a manufactured person, but that doesn't make her a doll. She has never shown any of the personality of a doll, to me.
Well, we saw the ghost/doll when the meteor fell. Also, that machine in ep 2 & 3. If it can take a contractors' power, maybe with Heis' power and the meteor fragment... @__@
Lol, it's just some theories. Everything is possible, since we don't know what dolls and contractors are, or what became of the real sky... If they don't explain, there will be always gaps that will build up crazy theories.
fairygirl
2009-11-25, 16:24
I believe Dr. Pavlichenko had a doll created of himself like the way Shinado Chiaki was created to fool Hei back in the first series. The doll Chiaki looked and acted just like the real Chiaki. They knew one day they would be attacked so everything was planned out. I believe Shion's power are more psychic, communicating with his sister telepathically and has the ability to see the future. He knew when they were going to be attacked and knew that Bella was an agent. He had Suou put on his clothes so everyone would go after her, thinking it was Shion. Somehow he knew she would survive/escape and look for him in Japan.
Doesn't it feel like Mao is Jimmy Cricket, the conscious for everyone. Maybe there's an element of Pinocchio. The doll/contractor(puppet) trying to be a real boy?
I like this episode. I like July and was really surprised to see more of him and to see him upgraded to a supporting character from a minor character.
She has never shown any of the personality of a doll, to me.
Nothing is certain yet, but I would like to point out one thing.
Like contractors, there are various type of dolls: Yin, July, the Sex toy doll, the Chiaki doll, Hosimi-sama, dolls in the NAO, Combat doll (manga), etc. As others said, the Chiaki doll in ep 1&2 of S1 acted just like human, although her ME works only for 2 days. I have suspected that Suou as a character is a sort of mixture of Chiaki and Mai (the moratorium girl of ep 3&4 of S1).
JackRydden224
2009-11-25, 23:18
Any good guess why everybody wants Shion and the Doc so badly?
Full Metal Coast
2009-11-26, 00:31
Any good guess why everybody wants Shion and the Doc so badly?
its probably because of that weird meteor fragment that Suou wears around her neck. i also am thinking that the fragment everyone is after somehow has something to do with how contractors get their powers.
Well, after finally seeing this episode, my thoughts:
Unless I'm mistaken, no transformations scene... which was one of the best things in this episode. The other was, of course, hei's rescue... a little of the Black Reaper was shown. Pretty good episode, really. And Suou throwing the glass like that... a little awesome, but more disturbing, really
synaesthetic
2009-11-28, 20:26
The glass-throwing part really bothered me because you would have to throw pieces of glass really fucking hard to inflict that kind of damage. Broken glass just isn't that sharp.
And Suou, honey, as much as I love your adorable loliness, you just can't possibly be that strong. >.>;
Von Himmel
2009-11-28, 20:27
Well, she did break someone arm before..Maybe Hei's training got her ? :heh:
Haladflire65
2009-11-28, 20:29
Well, she did break someone arm before..Maybe Hei's training got her ? :heh:
I'm wondering, how long have they been together? Hei trained her for how long before she became such a strong fighter/glass thrower? Does it come with her powers or what?
synaesthetic
2009-11-28, 20:33
As far as I can tell all her powers do is pull that gun out of the meteor fragment. I haven't seen her do anything else.
Haladflire65
2009-11-28, 20:35
So she basically got those insane fighting skills from the training sessions with Hei, I guess?
I'd think something like that would take much longer... She was a normal kid before all this happened, right?
synaesthetic
2009-11-28, 20:39
Her marksmanship seems pretty realistic with the flashbacks of her father teaching her to shoot, but her waif-fu skills are somewhat improbable unless the timeline is a lot longer than we think it is.
I'm kind of ashamed of myself, a lot of my love for Suou is really hinging on just how cute she is. =x
Pacing does seem really slow for a half-length season.
Haladflire65
2009-11-28, 20:43
Yeah, I figured her shooting is plausible but her fighting, not so much.
lol, I still don't really like Suou for replacing Hei as the main protagonist and for being a sometimes annoying little girl... I just find adult characters more interesting.
I hope the series doesn't get too rushed and end up ending in a crappy way. I'm kinda expecting it, though, seeing how much the story has progressed so far and considering that there's only 4 episodes left.
An average but pretty good episode for its supblot pacing.
July was given a fairly treatment on character insight and analysis.
July truly expressed a desire to call for help to Suou and get rescued.
Suou got into an immersive conversation with Mao about being Contractors or Dolls, that doesn't mean at all the full shut-down of personal feelings from their thoughts processes.
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