New Code Geass Project Launched

[kazuki_yuki92]

hi minna-san....
i heard code geass shikkoku no renya will be launch in 5 mei 2010...
its just gossip or true?

[konart]

hi minna-san....
i heard code geass shikkoku no renya will be launch in 5 mei 2010...
its just gossip or true?

25 of May, if I'm not mistaken

[darthfury78]

wow, sad, yet sweet. that's one of the biggest reasons i love code geass. i'm usually not a very emotional person, but somehow code geass can play with my heart like few things can.

now what about the clip for the side story?

also, Bandai licensed R1 and R2 as separate works, not the whole franchise, so i don't think this stuff would apply.

It's true that Bandai has licensed only R1 and R2. It's such ashame that Adult Swim canceled the series. It's too bad that AS doesn't broadcast anime during the week anymore. It's good to know that there is the internet for us to enjoy, regarding the latest on Code Geass.

[Meatrose]

[Carried over from the image thread]

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Hmmmm....
(Newtype June)

Edit: Yes, the names on the poster say Renya and Lelouch.

...:twitch: I think I've officially been bitch slapped by the creators themselves. Or they have given us a wonderful manga that has sublime storyline with sublime interventions of malevolent forces.


Or they just switched Suzaku's name around and decided to do a 'Lelouch of the Rebellion' set in a different time frame.


Anyone else notice the Zero mask, or is it just me?

Hopefully it's just artwork featuring, respectively, "the protagonists from Shikkoku no Renya and Hangyaku no Lelouch". I mean, putting Lelouch in that time frame (Edo period, 76-341 years prior to his own birth) would just make it laughably ridiculous in my opinion. Especially since Taniguchi himself said that "it's the same timeline but a different era" which means the manga is not set in an AU.

[kittybear]

[Carried over from the image thread]





Hopefully it's just artwork featuring, respectively, "the protagonists from Shikkoku no Renya and Hangyaku no Lelouch". I mean, putting Lelouch in that time frame (Edo period, 76-341 years prior to his own birth) would just make it laughably ridiculous in my opinion. Especially since Taniguchi himself said that "it's the same timeline but a different era" which means the manga is not set in an AU.

Time Paradox!!! The Universe will be destroyed:heh:

Wouldn't this verify the lelouch is alive at the ending of R2...if this is canon.

[Xander]

Thanks for posting this here.

I believe that's why it would be very interesting to know what the actual text on all those images says, no? :heh:

Let's not jump and make too many assumptions without having read the content of the article in question.

It seems those images also contain information about Code Geass Gaiden, which is what I'd personally like to learn more about.

Speaking about that, I believe the Promotional Video has already made its way to the Internet. Nothing really new, just a confirmation of what ANN and other sources had reported, but I'm glad that my curiosity has been satisfied (though I believe the music used in the PV hasn't been used in Code Geass before).

[Arbitres]

Beat me to it, meatrose. Oh well.


A guy that looked incredibly like Lelouch with his name, but not being Lelouch? No, that is way too coincidence. Besides, he has a Zero Mask -- explain that.

Thus, I agree with you. I hope it's just artwork. As much as I like that Lelouch in the scan, I would not want to see him in Renya. Because

1) It would mean the creators are content/intent on making Lulu a crutch.
2) That they went back on their words in some manner. (Lelouch being dead, same universe different era, etc.)


3) It would give the fans I'd rather avoid full bragging rights about him being alive.


Here is to hoping for the best, Meatrose, everybody. :heh:

[Xander]

Hopefully it's just artwork featuring, respectively, "the protagonists from Shikkoku no Renya and Hangyaku no Lelouch". I mean, putting Lelouch in that time frame (Edo period, 76-341 years prior to his own birth) would just make it laughably ridiculous in my opinion. Especially since Taniguchi himself said that "it's the same timeline but a different era" which means the manga is not set in an AU.

In addition to what I've previously said before...it should be remembered that this new manga is drawn by the same person who worked on Nightmare of Nunnally, which as many of us should know...also included Lelouch. If that person is referenced or even cited in the article, perhaps they're talking about the jump from working on an AU manga to a "canonical" one or something along those lines (that's just my assumption, it could be something else entirely).

[Meatrose]

In addition to what I've previously said before...it should be remembered that this new manga is drawn by the same person who worked on Nightmare of Nunnally, which as many of us show know...also included Lelouch. If that person is referenced or even cited in the article, perhaps they're talking about the jump from working on an AU manga to a "canonical" one or something along those lines (that's just my assumption, it could be something else entirely).

Exactly, I was thinking that the text might touch upon both Hangyaku no Lelouch and Shikkoku no Renya, but the latter versus NoN would make more sense if Takuma Tomomasa is actually referenced.

[yvj]

Oh right there's a manga and a alleged OAV coming out.

The lines were blurring there for a sec.

[Kittenlady]

Maybe they're going with the reincarnation thing Shirley was talking about and that's a previous incarnation of Lelouch?

lol idk. Could be. Stranger things have happened in CG.

[Laurcus]

Maybe they're going with the reincarnation thing Shirley was talking about and that's a previous incarnation of Lelouch?

lol idk. Could be. Stranger things have happened in CG.

That would be my first guess, though I would honestly expect him to have a different name. People in Code Geass are named by their parents right? So what would be the odds of Lelouch being incarnated multiple times with the same name?

Anywho i'm cutting myself off before I get too far into a speculation rant. I'm just gonna twiddle my thumbs, eat some pie, and wait for more info. *Gives pie to everyone in the thread*

[-KarumA-]

Beat me to it, meatrose. Oh well.


A guy that looked incredibly like Lelouch with his name, but not being Lelouch? No, that is way too coincidence. Besides, he has a Zero Mask -- explain that.

Thus, I agree with you. I hope it's just artwork. As much as I like that Lelouch in the scan, I would not want to see him in Renya. Because

1) It would mean the creators are content/intent on making Lulu a crutch.
2) That they went back on their words in some manner. (Lelouch being dead, same universe different era, etc.)


3) It would give the fans I'd rather avoid full bragging rights about him being alive.


Here is to hoping for the best, Meatrose, everybody. :heh:

Or it could just be promotion material so they add Lelouch to the picture to make it clearer that it is about geass..

I wouldn't leave yet till the fat lady starts singing, we don't even know what the texts say yet and until that happens I am not drawing any conclusions.

What would be nice to pin point at is that Zero's outfit is different.. Zero wearing a belt?

[Arbitres]

I wouldn't leave yet till the fat lady starts singing, we don't even know what the texts say yet and until that happens I am not drawing any conclusions.

What would be nice to pin point at is that Zero's outfit is different.. Zero wearing a belt?

As for the text, I'm having that being looked into. It may take a day or more, but I think it will be appropriately accurate, to say the least.


As for the belt, the entire Zero costume he is wearing is foreign to me. Which is what lead me to speculate. I don't remember his nightmare of Nunnally suit looking like that.

Though yes, we won't really know until we get a translation -- which is happening. I can't really exclude anything at this time besides it's Lelouch and Renya.


OTOH, it most likely is promotional or artwork meant to indicate. Regardless, there you have it.

[XT3]

i i think i found the new anime it's called "Code Geass Gaiden", suppose to be a side story. this is what i found:(this is off of another site)

a user on :"http://www.codegeass.com/forum/topics/code-geass-latest-news"
posted this:
hi guys....i cant wait to tell you this news...code geass r3 has been confirmed...its called CODE GEASS GAIDEN:BOUKOKU NO AKITO or CODE GEASS:RUINED LAND OF AKITO...the show is unsurprisingly to be produced by sunrise..with the expected clamp character design..direction is said to be by former sunrise employee and gundam veteran Kazuki akane...the story is vaguely summarized thusly:a.t.b.2017.a knightmare unit of 11 youths embark on an operation to save their comrades stranded on the european fronts,their odds of success is only 5%...........just how this fits in with established canon is not yet clear but it does appear an entirely new cast will be featuring... so lets all just wait for the latest announcement..........

on youtube look up:Code Geass Gaiden

another site thas this video, it's japenese:
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/Acb2gJ1WONQ/

we still don't know what type of anime this will be though

[Renya]

i i think i found the new anime it's called "Code Geass Gaiden", suppose to be a side story. this is what i found:(this is off of another site)

a user on :"http://www.codegeass.com/forum/topics/code-geass-latest-news"
posted this:
hi guys....i cant wait to tell you this news...code geass r3 has been confirmed...its called CODE GEASS GAIDEN:BOUKOKU NO AKITO or CODE GEASS:RUINED LAND OF AKITO...the show is unsurprisingly to be produced by sunrise..with the expected clamp character design..direction is said to be by former sunrise employee and gundam veteran Kazuki akane...the story is vaguely summarized thusly:a.t.b.2017.a knightmare unit of 11 youths embark on an operation to save their comrades stranded on the european fronts,their odds of success is only 5%...........just how this fits in with established canon is not yet clear but it does appear an entirely new cast will be featuring... so lets all just wait for the latest announcement..........

on youtube look up:Code Geass Gaiden

another site thas this video, it's japenese:
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/Acb2gJ1WONQ/

we still don't know what type of anime this will be though

u sure the vid is in japanese, since it sounds like mandarin chinese to me >.<

[XT3]

ok... all i know is i found this yesterday... that's all i found, i don't know the defference of japanese and mandarin chinese

[Meatrose]

XT3, that information has been known for a couple of weeks now, ever since Kiseki no Tanjobi was released on Blu-Ray and DVD (April 23). There are two interpretations floating around though, one says (like the one you posted) that we'll get to follow "11 youths" and the other one says that it's "young elevens". The second one seems to be generally accepted as the correct one.

Also, it's nothing like a "Code Geass R3" as this side story (gaiden) is set during a.t.b. 2017 and R2 starts off in a.t.b. 2018. This takes place during the first season, or possibly during the beginning of the one year break between season 1 and R2.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Lelouch is a Time Lord now. :uhoh:

But seriously, even Geass Witches can't travel through time. If Lelouch is in this new manga, his presence wouldn't make sense under ANY version of ANY proverbial theory.

Except that maybe --perhaps-- in the context of NoN. (Which is already so twisted and weird that it would make sense.) Since he becomes...er...(and correct me on my interpretation of this as I could be off, I haven't studied NoN that closely)...chaos incarnate? The god of chaos? Wouldn't that...not limit him to any time or any universe since chaos is...well...universal?

[Arbitres]

Lelouch is a Time Lord now.

Or he yoinked the Ocarina of Time.


NoN is indeed chaotic, though the idea itself makes sense. (Though god I hope they don't use it.) Since chaos is indeed universal, it wouldn't be restricted to a certain period or place.

Also remember, there was someone very similar to Lelouch in the original scan... That's what makes me do a connection with all of this. Still nothing to actually deduct successfully without blurrying it with speculation.


*waits in corner for them to make a Lost Colors R2. Sign reads: Eternity*

[Laurcus]

Lelouch is a Time Lord now. :uhoh:

But seriously, even Geass Witches can't travel through time. If Lelouch is in this new manga, his presence wouldn't make sense under ANY version of ANY proverbial theory.

Except that maybe --perhaps-- in the context of NoN. (Which is already so twisted and weird that it would make sense.) Since he becomes...er...(and correct me on my interpretation of this as I could be off, I haven't studied NoN that closely)...chaos incarnate? The god of chaos? Wouldn't that...not limit him to any time or any universe since chaos is...well...universal?

Keep in mind we're basically flying blind here. What doesn't make sense now may make sense in the proper context with the right series of events backing it up.

[Xander]

Aurelia aurita posted this in the image thread late yesterday, but I suppose it's far more relevant here.

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8885/1273371990209codegeassg.th.jpg (http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8885/1273371990209codegeassg.jpg)

Now that there's a larger scan available, hopefully someone will be able to answer at least some of the questions about the matter.

Most of the article appears to be about the manga but we still have some small text blocks talking about the Code Geass Gaiden anime project.

[MainCharacter]

No translations for what that says about the new anime or manga yet?

I also hope that isn't the Lelouch Look-Alike having a Zero Mask. Isn't Renya supposed to be in the same timeline canon as the main Lelouch of the Rebellion? :/

[Arbitres]

Yes, I'm still waiting for the translation. I'm thinking of going "Sod it, I'm asking ED." since he seems to be one of the more competent.

Though I have my reservations of that being 'Lelouch' of the Rebellion. I mean that in a universal sense, since it could be the NoN Lelouch, though I seriously doubt they will go back on their words.

They dance around words, they don't go back on them. :heh:

Don't worry, It's not Lelouch, since Jet Black Renya already has it's Lelouch Look-alike, I doubt they need the actual Lelouch of the Rebellion.

As was stated, the scan might actually be artwork of comparison or about the artist who previously worked on NoN. It's nothing too troublesome.

I think the outfit is different from NoN, however. That is all that really bugs me, and it's not that big of a deal unless we get harder evidence that isn't NoN Lelouch... :heh:

[Eternal Dreamer]

You don't have to ask, Arbitres, I've already started to translate it!

First off, the big red writing in the center and the bit of text next to type 2 just say who are producing the new projects. Nothing important there, right? However, I've translated the boxes of text next to the characters and those have some pretty interesting information

Renya

He doesn’t like studying and sword-fighting. In actual fighting, this one-armed boy is quite good. He goes to the 穎明 private (Unknown kanji spelling) school to improve his skills but can’t keep up as a student. His family are survivors of a ruined nation which now lives in an isolated village.

We finally get a look at Renya's background here. I couldn't translate the name of the school, unfortunately, but everything else is good. Warning, though; some of this translation I'm unsure of, so I can't guarantee it's 100% right. Especially with the second to last sentence (It could also mean he dropped out of the school, but the above meaning is more likely. In my opinion, anyway. :heh: ).

And now, here's Lelouch's text, which you should prepare yourself for:

Lelouch

An unidentified boy. In “Lelouch of the Rebellion”, he disappeared for the sake of the world and for his younger sister. Now in “Jet-black Renya”, what will happen because of this man’s appearance?

...Sorry Arbitres, looks like this ISN'T just a comparison picture like many of us thought. It confirms, at least, that it's the one from the anime. (Though it might also mean the manga of the same name, but I doubt it.) Looks like we haven't see the last of Lelouch as we thought? :confused:

Well, that's all I have for now. Looks like there's a lot of information in the rest of the text for the two projects, so it will take me a while to translate it all. (I'm doing the Akito one next, as it's shorter. :heh: ) I'll try and put up my translations of it as soon as I can.

[Arbitres]

Oh yeah, I remember why I love you Eternal Dreamer. It's that devotion and vigilance. Yes indeed~

...Ahh hell. Lelouch is showing up. Well... At least we got a translation from one of the best translators. Superb, considering how well Eternal Dreamer does it. Although... I can't help but hope a certain character shows up, as well. If they throw Lelouch in, they might as well Rai.

:heh: Well, my theory was just skewered and throw to the fire. Still, thank you Eternal Dreamer. We love you~ :heh:

[ZeroSama]

You don't have to ask, Arbitres, I've already started to translate it!

First off, the big red writing in the center and the bit of text next to type 2 just say who are producing the new projects. Nothing important there, right? However, I've translated the boxes of text next to the characters and those have some pretty interesting information



We finally get a look at Renya's background here. I couldn't translate the name of the school, unfortunately, but everything else is good. Warning, though; some of this translation I'm unsure of, so I can't guarantee it's 100% right. Especially with the second to last sentence (It could also mean he dropped out of the school, but the above meaning is more likely. In my opinion, anyway. :heh: ).

And now, here's Lelouch's text, which you should prepare yourself for:



...Sorry Arbitres, looks like this ISN'T just a comparison picture like many of us thought. It confirms, at least, that it's the one from the anime. (Though it might also mean the manga of the same name, but I doubt it.) Looks like we haven't see the last of Lelouch as we thought? :confused:

Well, that's all I have for now. Looks like there's a lot of information in the rest of the text for the two projects, so it will take me a while to translate it all. (I'm doing the Akito one next, as it's shorter. :heh: ) I'll try and put up my translations of it as soon as I can.

So its looking more and more probable by the minute that Lelouch may in fact somehow still be alive?

Words cannot decribe how i feel about this so i guess this will have do summing up my feelings on the matter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs)

[GundamMeisterLockon]

Well it says he disappeared for the sake of the world and his sister and didn't say he sacrificed his life for the sake of the world and his sister. So i would agree with you that the way his character profile is written does suggests that he is alive.

[Xander]

I've been reading some similar statements across the web lately, but I'm not really sure that's going to be Lelouch, in the sense that he will be an actual revival of the same character who died at the end of R2, because of something I'll explain shortly.

Taking this from the LiveJournal community, there have been a couple of recent updates here:

http://www.geass.jp/new_project/index.html

Mostly staff comments, but I think it's important to point out one thing in particular.

Going by what drakyndra from LJ has said and what seems to be confirmed by machine translations (as bad as they are):


The only (coherent) things of interest I could find on that webpage was that Boukoku no Akito is only a tentative title, and might change, and from the Taniguchi & Okuichi comments that though there were a lot of calls for a sequel, they decided to go with "expansion" instead of a continuation.

Oh, and that there may be more "expansion" in the future, so fans should stay tuned.


Why is this important? Because the only way for Lelouch to be "revived" after R2, strictly speaking, would be in a sequel or continuation. Not in an expansion.

Logically enough, I don't think Taniguchi & co. would be contradicting themselves so easily and so openly.

Therefore, I'm starting to believe that if Lelouch shows up in the new manga, there are mainly two or three possible results:

a)Renya of the Darkness will turn out to be an alternate universe story. It will only be a part of "official Code Geass history" in the sense of belonging to the larger franchise, not in terms of following an actual time line as was previously thought. I would say this is quite likely at the rate things are going.

b)There will be an unnecessarily complex explanation involving time travel, parallel dimensions or summoning the dead from the future into the past. And, of course, more time paradoxes than you can shake a stick at.

c)Lelouch's appearance will not be officially explained in the manga at all. He will just show up and do whatever needs to be done, leaving things open for all kinds of fan speculation. In other words, a cop-out that doesn't directly say where he came from but doesn't dismiss any of the possibilities.

d)There will be a series of flashforwards to future events. In other words, the story will technically take place in two different time periods.

Aside from the above, I would reiterate that the magazine's description of Lelouch doesn't confirm what will be the real nature of his appearance. Companies can and do re-use recognizable characters (as in their name, character design, background and personality) from previous works in ways that are completely and utterly unrelated. Everybody knows that Lelouch is a character from Lelouch of the Rebellion, which is why his last appearance is being described, but this same character can be used in a completely different role that bears little or no resemblance to what came before. In other words, Lelouch can appear in a million works without being "revived" in the strict literal sense.

:heh:...maybe I am overthinking this, but it's nice to show that there are more possible explanations than what is commonly considered obvious.

[Arbitres]

Xander, your analytical nature gives me a headache. Your intelligence and master-level speculation frightens my meek little mind. D';


Though I agree with what you said.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Seems to me like 'Renya' is referring to its counterpart manga 'Lelouch of the Rebellion' as opposed to the canonical anime. After all they're not even written by the same people.

Aha. Now it's beginning to make sense. I'll bet you anything they're making the animeverse and mangaverse into two separate AU entities. This way the rabid fans who want Lelouch alive can keep their weird little distortion of reality in their mangaverse bubble while the rest of us can continue to be content with our animeverse.

This would actually be a big relief to me, because instead of splitting the entire fandom down the middle like it has been for the past two years we can finally just fracture off that part of the fandom entirely and let them exist on their own. :heh:

Oh God. No more trolls. Can you imagine?

[Nogitsune]

I don't see how wanting Lelouch to be alive is a "weird little disortion of reality" or makes someone a rabid fan. Other than that, interesting theory.

However, while that manga and the anime are indeed not exactly written by the same people, Taniguchi was the director of the original show. It would be strange if he went with the mangaverse, though in theory, it's not impossible, I suppose.

But there was also this: "The new project, ‘Renya of the Dark,’ will be an episode within the ‘Code Geass History.’ There will be stories from two different eras in the same world." (Taken from here: http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/1514785.html)

Hm, in any case, I'm curious. From what little statements by him I came across, Taniguchi seems awesome enough, so I'll wait and see. It would be hilarious if Lelouch was alive, but I'd like to see a good explanation for that.

[Xander]

However, while that manga and the anime are indeed not exactly written by the same people, Taniguchi was the director of the original show. It would be strange if he went with the mangaverse, though in theory, it's not impossible, I suppose.

I'm not sure if I would go with that idea either...but here's another question: why is the Nightmare of Nunnally mangaka Tomomasa Takuma involved?

People might say that's just a matter of the art, but things become even more interesting when we stop to think about the other implications.

(In addition, that's also why it would be nice to know a little bit more about the interview included in this Newtype article)

At the end of the NoN manga and after a different series of events, Lelouch is very much alive. But more imporantly, the concept of multiple dimensions -including one in which the events of the anime series took place- was explicitly used during the story. In short, Nightmare of Nunnally itself can co-exist with the Lelouch of the Rebellion anime...and with countless other worlds.

If they re-used that same idea here, the result would be that the Code Geass universe will be made up of multiple worlds and dimensions as a canon fact...which can be recognized by (some of?) the characters within the story.

From that perspective, the "history" of Code Geass and its "world" isn't just limited to what we saw in the show itself and its internal time line. The boundaries have been expanded. If you're going to make up a story where multiple universes are possible, the sky's the limit.


But there was also this: "The new project, ‘Renya of the Dark,’ will be an episode within the ‘Code Geass History.’ There will be stories from two different eras in the same world." (Taken from here: http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/1514785.html)


Yes, I was referring to this in both of my recent comments...but the problem is one of interpretation....the interpretation of a translation and/or summary, to be exact. Parts of the meaning might have been lost. Most of the time that isn't so much of an issue, but in this particular case the situation seems to be changing.

After reading this and seeing the first images, we all assumed that Renya of the Darkness would take place in the past of the original Code Geass story as presented by the anime. It was the most logical conclusion and there really was no apparent contradiction involved.

But that might not have been the right conclusion even if it was the most obvious one. The same thing goes for everything about Lelouch's possible appearance.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

I don't see how wanting Lelouch to be alive is a "weird little disortion of reality" or makes someone a rabid fan. Other than that, interesting theory.

Alright. Okay. I really have to delve into this more. (Dandy.) I guess I have to make myself clearer than I already am, not that it shouldn't already be readily obvious even if you didn't know me or my history no thanks to anything referenced to in my signature.

I didn't mean that people who want to see Lelouch are retards. I am one of them.

Ahem.

'Weird distortion of reality' in reference to, of course, any number of variable fan theories/ troll notions used to explain away the legitimacy of our former protagonist's demise, which are the founding notion that inflenced the perspective of 95% of those who now want Lelouch alive today.

Which indeed would be the only deciding factor which would have inspired the Code Geass execs.'s to bring him back in aforementioned manga, as all of the cast and crew made it initially clear that they wanted him very dead.

/end eloquent detail of a relatively simple idea.

That, and having Lelouch resurrected from the dead 500 years prior to his own death in the Mecha-Edo period is in itself a 'weird little distortion of reality'.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

At the end of the NoN manga and after a different series of events, Lelouch is very much alive. But more imporantly, the concept of multiple dimensions -including one in which the events of the anime series took place- was explicitly used during the story. In short, Nightmare of Nunnally itself can co-exist with the Lelouch of the Rebellion anime...and with countless other worlds.

If they re-used that same idea here, the result would be that the Code Geass universe will be made up of multiple worlds and dimensions as a canon fact...which can be recognized by (some of?) the characters within the story.

From that perspective, the "history" of Code Geass and its "world" isn't just limited to what we saw in the show itself and its internal time line. The boundaries have been expanded. If you're going to make up a story where multiple universes are possible, the sky's the limit.


Hehe, I proposed that idea a few pages back, just more concisely. :heh:

[Xander]

Hehe, I proposed that idea a few pages back, just more concisely. :heh:

So I see. :heh:

Honestly though, I wasn't trying to claim any credit for it...I don't think that was a new idea, but it's still worth mentioning now.

In the end, it's also possible that Sunrise has already decided to go ahead with something even more confusing and difficult to explain....which is why I've tried to propose other options. The truth is that we won't really know anything until later this month, at the earliest, so we're all guessing.

[Arbitres]

the result would be that the Code Geass universe will be made up of multiple worlds and dimensions as a canon fact...which can be recognized by (some of?) the characters within the story.

I'm refraining myself (albeit barely) from making a statement about Rai.

Hehe, I proposed that idea a few pages back, just more concisely.

I actually liked that theory, actually. Made more sense then what we had at the time. I also think 'Rabid fans' is a very good description of the fans in particular. Though I can understand the feelings on the matter.


In the end, it's also possible that Sunrise has already decided to go ahead with something even more confusing and difficult to explain....which is why I've tried to propose other options. The truth is that we won't really know anything until later this month, at the earliest, so we're all guessing.

They probably already decided, but let's hope they don't drop the ball halfway through like they did for R2. I'm not expecting much until I see good stuff happening. Until then, I'll be waiting in my little corner and hoping for a Lost Colors R2. Don't worry, the sign still reads eternity. :heh:


That, and having Lelouch resurrected from the dead 500 years prior to his own death in the Mecha-Edo period is in itself a 'weird little distortion of reality'.

500 years is an exaggeration, methinks. But we get the point of that.

[Laurcus]

I'm seeing a lot of rationalization for why Lelouch can or can't be alive. I say just wait. If he is alive by some means (insert your own random theory here) then so what? It's not the end of the world. And if he isn't alive then that will come out with time as well. The only thing I hope for is a well writen story with good action scenes and some believable character development from interesting characters.

Though if Lelouch is alive, and they don't give a darn good explaination I won't exactly be thrilled. For now though, I just want the rest of that translation. *begins to drool*

[Zetsubou Bunny]

I'm just happy that whatever happens in this case it's secluded to the manga. x/ Easy enough to ignore a bad plot development should it happen.

[Lolipopo]

Pfff, I'll never know what happens in this manga. The art is way too weird (Do I dare say unpretty ?) For me to even land a eye on it :/

And all this talk about Lelouch alive/Dead scares me. I know Geass is a crazy universe, but this Renya of the watever is during Edo. lelouch being there is just...crazy. Come on, Taniguchi, don't be influenced by NoN (which I must be the only person in the world who dislike it :/)

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Pfff, I'll never know what happens in this manga. The art is way too weird (Do I dare say unpretty ?) For me to even land a eye on it :/

And all this talk about Lelouch alive/Dead scares me. I know Geass is a crazy universe, but this Renya of the watever is during Edo. lelouch being there is just...crazy. Come on, Taniguchi, don't be influenced by NoN (which I must be the only person in the world who dislike it :/)

(( Oh no, I don't care for it either. It's far, faaar to AU for my tastes. I just generally am not a fan of AU's. And !Zero! disturbs me. And like you mentioned the art style is just...

I don't know why it's so popular with everyone else. I don't understand.

When I tell people I don't like NoN and they don't understand why. I'm like

http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/files/code-geass-r2-22/lelouch-wtf-face.jpg ))

[Lolipopo]

(( Oh no, I don't care for it either. It's far, faaar to AU for my tastes. I just generally am not a fan of AU's. And !Zero! disturbs me. And like you mentioned the art style is just...

I don't know why it's so popular with everyone else. I don't understand.

When I tell people I don't like NoN and they don't understand why. I'm like

http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/files/code-geass-r2-22/lelouch-wtf-face.jpg ))

I don't feel alone anymore...

It seems like a crime not to like Non :/ But Really, the artstyle, the artstyle...
There are plenty of talented mangaka out there, why that...?

I never really understood much about Zero. he is a mix between C.C. and Lelouch or something like that, and has more in common with Batman than with canon! Zero, from what I gathered XD

I don't fear AU usually (I'm one fervent demander of Cg Fumoffu ) but that...yeah XD Way Too crazy.

And the artstyle XD
(And they had to pick the same artist for the new manga. Awesome.)

[Eternal Dreamer]

(( Oh no, I don't care for it either. It's far, faaar to AU for my tastes. I just generally am not a fan of AU's. And !Zero! disturbs me. And like you mentioned the art style is just...

I don't know why it's so popular with everyone else. I don't understand.

When I tell people I don't like NoN and they don't understand why. I'm like

http://cardcaptor.moekaku.com/files/code-geass-r2-22/lelouch-wtf-face.jpg ))

...It's like looking into a mirror. :heh:

I feel the same way, man. When I first saw the art for NoN, I just thought: :twitch: . No words can describe how PAINFUL it is to look at it. As for the story...I don't think I need to say anything about THAT. :heh:

...ANYWAY, leaving that aside, I've finally finished the translation of the text for the Akito comments. (Because that's what they are, really: comments by Taniguchi and co about how they feel about the new production.

And here it is:

“Code Geass Side Story: Akito of the Ruined Nation (Temporary Name)

A follow-up report is expected to be announced sometime this summer.


Staff:
Original Work: Sunrise, Taniguchi Gorou, Okouchi Ichirou
Character design draft: CLAMP
Character design: Takahiro Kimura
Knightmare design: Yasuda Akira
Script: Morita Shigeru
Animation work: Sunrise



Kawaguchi Yoshitaka—Producer

It’s a challenge, I say, to expand our field with the upcoming “Code Geass Side Story: Akito of the Ruined Nation (Temporary Name)”, so that everyone can enjoy it as it overlaps with the already completed “Lelouch of the Rebellion”. Director Akane Kazuki, who has been selected as the new director for this project, has naïve character and actions, but/and Tanigichi-san and Okouchi-san both support him as the new director, from the viewpoint that that this is an original work. Of course, Clamp will also be participating, cross-examining the charm of the characters, as they start to produce a world of stunning characters and mecha-action in order to enlarging the world of Code Geass. It is our desire that you please support them from now on.


Taniguchi Gorou—Original Work

After the work for R2 had ended, many people, including many fans, wished for a continuation. “How should we answer all these voices?” After I discussed it with Okouchi-san and all the rest of the staff, we decided to not simply “continue” it, but instead to “expand” it. I’m glad that Director Akane’s new Geass will be implemented as the start of this new project this time. For now on, please anticipate it, as well as the rest of the “expansion” that has been announced.


Okouchi Ichirou—Original Work

To be honest, everyone else besides us was anxious about making a new Geass. But we had heard about Akane-san as a director, and any anxiety inside us was easily overcome by our expectations and hopes. As I see each setting and script being created one after another, I find myself full of anticipation. Please everyone, expect great things from this!

There's some margin of error on these translations, but for the most part they're accurate. (Hopefully. :heh: ) I know not much information has been said besides who going to be working on it (same character and Knightmare designers as before, and the script writer worked on the LoR special settings). However, it seems that they will be giving out, once again, more info on it in the summer issue, so at least we won't be left in the dark for long. (Small comfort, I know. :heh: )

As for the rest of the article, I'll be releasing it in chunks over the weekend and maybe the some of next week. (There's a LOT to translate this time, so I won't be able to do it all at once.) I'll try to get them out as soon as I can.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Thank you Eternal Dreamer! You're a saint.

Well. At least the director of 'Akito' has Okouchi's and Taniguchi's blessing. I suppose I'll trust in them to know whom they're handing it over to.

[Arbitres]

He does good job translating, which is why he leads the Lost Colors project. He is worthy of respect and acknowledgement.

I'm just glad we have him on the forum. It's rather nice to have someone willing and competent in translation. I'm actually surprised he got that much done, though I'm glad he did. :heh:

[Roloko vi Britannia]

oh wow thanks I'll be looking forward to it Dreamer ^_^

[SonOfHeaven]

Thanks for the translation Eternal Dreamer. I guess the staff wanted to test out if the series can have new characters/plot to be successful. Pretty obvious the demand for an sequel must have been very high. Hope it turns out good(Just don't have pointless characters, etc like R2 did for fanservice).

[Eternal Dreamer]

I've finished the first part of the interview, as well as the little bit of text beside the manga images! Here's a look:

Manga Text

Here’s a peek at the initial cuts!

These names (initial drawings mangaka draw before the inked version) are before pen use. These are drawings of Renya’s action scenes. The sound effect drawing of the kanji “斬” (means decapitation) is especially striking. This manga “Shikkoku no Renya” will mainly follow the pattern of a war between humans.

...Decapitation? How...interesting... :heh:

Interview

“Code Geass: Jet-Black Renya”

Starting on May 26th, it will begin serialization in the monthly publication “Shonen Ace” (Kadokawa Shoten), July issue. The first chapter will have a big volume of 51 pages!


The curtain is finally being raised. I have the two people working on the first part of the Code Geass project, “Jet-Black Renya”, here today to talk about their enthusiasm for the new production. Could you tell us about why you made the stage of this Geass story in the Edo period?

Takuma: At first, I thought, “This looks difficult”. My previous work, “Nightmare of Nunnally”, was a spin-off, so this is my first work in CG’s official history. Truly difficult. (Laugh)

Taniguchi: I requested Takuma-san for this new project because “NoN” was the most freely acknowledged in the world as part the manga expansion of Code Geass. And I wanted to rely on his drawing abilities in order to create a particular atmosphere for this story.

I have only the first bit for the time being, but I'll get more of it out as soon as I can. Please be patient like always!

[MainCharacter]

"My previous work, “Nightmare of Nunnally”, was a spin-off, so this is my first work in CG’s official history."

Well that double-confirms/settles that.

I'm looking forward to both the manga and the anime. I am pretty nervous about Lelouch in the manga. Not only would they be going against their confirmation he is dead, but I feel like bringing him back and making him a time traveler whatever would be pretty lame and disgrace the strength and impact of his final act. For now, though, I'll have faith they know what they are doing.

I'm more looking forward to the anime. It's right before and/or during R2 (correct?), so they can pull off Lelouch cameos or moments without focusing on him to give the Code Geass junkies our Lelouch hits, while they make their own new story and characters. If done well, this could be really good. I'm just hoping it's a full 25 episode anime and not a movie or OVA(s). I know "Gaiden" suggests OVAs but it's still possible to be a Giaden story that is as long as the main story (or half of it).

Great job ED. You are Awesome incarnate.

[Rising Dragon]

Wait what's this talk about Lelouch being in the manga?

[Kuroshinobu]

Do we have solid confirmation that Lelouch will indeed appear in the new manga? I wonder how they'll pull this off if this is true...

[Xander]

Thanks for the translation, I'm looking forward to the rest of it.

It does seem that the manga will be part of the "official history" but I'm still far from sure about all the other assumptions that have been made and the specifics are all open to speculation. Still, instead of repeating what has already been written I'll just happily wait.

Wait what's this talk about Lelouch being in the manga?

Do we have solid confirmation that Lelouch will indeed appear in the new manga? I wonder how they'll pull this off if this is true...

Read the last couple of pages or so in this topic.

I wouldn't call that "solid confirmation" myself but at the very least there is some obvious teasing from Sunrise.

[darthfury78]

Pfff, I'll never know what happens in this manga. The art is way too weird (Do I dare say unpretty ?) For me to even land a eye on it :/

And all this talk about Lelouch alive/Dead scares me. I know Geass is a crazy universe, but this Renya of the watever is during Edo. lelouch being there is just...crazy. Come on, Taniguchi, don't be influenced by NoN (which I must be the only person in the world who dislike it :/)

I am glad that the new series will not continue from where Code Geass R2 left off. In fact, I have a feeling that any new Code Geass project will revolve around the first season. The second season left a lot to be desired because it doesn't continue from where the ending of season one's climax had stopped. The original version of the second season continues from the the first season had stopped.

I had a feeling that the new Code Geass project might focus on a brand new character in a brand new setting. But it would hold the style and tone of the first season of Code Geass. I do not want to see a continuation of the second season as I felt that it should remain as it is after the Zero Requiem. If we want to see Lelouch again, it would be a format that has nothing to do with the aftermath of Code Geass R2. But rather with the connections of the first season.

Let's hope the most immature users are permanently banned, Kaioshin-sama. While I would like a short series or just an OVA, I do hope at least somewhat for the Code Geass franchise to expand beyond Lelouch and his world/era.

When I think about success of the anime in general, it boils down to how they do the ending -- R2's ending was somewhat unsatisfactory in my eyes, and so I hope they keep the characters and keep everything in logic. (Or as logical as a world with a strange power and enigmatic ruins can be.)

If anything, I want them to expand beyond the horizon and see if they can hold well without Lelouch or any of the other characters. I want to see more adventure, new geass, and good storyline. All and all, I want to see a 'new' Code Geass, and I won't hold my breath... Considering Lelouch of the Rebellion is still going strong.




The second season of Code Geass left a lot of unanswered questions, as well as a lot of contradictions of some of the characters, like Dietard, from season one. Not to mention a lot of stuff that did not make a lot of sense leading up to the Zero Requiem. It appears that the logic of the first season was removed from Code Geass R2. If you ask me, the producers want to keep as far away from the second season as possible.

[ZeroSama]

Takuma: At first, I thought, “This looks difficult”. My previous work, “Nightmare of Nunnally”, was a spin-off, so this is my first work in CG’s official history. Truly difficult. (Laugh)


So "Renya of the Darkness" is actually canon then, as in part of the anime history and not some spin-off manga history? And all indications point towards anime Lelouch being alive?

They must surely have been loling at all those "Lelouch is dead, get over it,WOG says he's deader than dead" people thinking of all the fanrage and broken base drama that is about to ensue.

What wonderful trolls you are Sunrise, never change.

[konart]

So "Renya of the Darkness" is actually canon then, as in part of the anime history and not some spin-off manga history? And all indications point towards anime Lelouch being alive?

They must surely have been loling at all those "Lelouch is dead, get over it,WOG says he's deader than dead" people thinking of all the fanrage and broken base drama that is about to ensue.

What wonderful trolls you are Sunrise, never change.

Yes

No

There aren't ANY indicators of anything

[Xander]

Particularly because there is no indication of this new manga being a sequel to Code Geass R2 taking place in the future.

That's the only context where the whole "is Lelouch alive or dead?" debate could be resolved in either direction. If instead of that someone in this manga merely has a crazy "Time Travel Geass" or "Spirit Summoning Geass" then...I would consider it a strange idea but it's still something completely different. :heh:

Anyway, that's enough of this from me.

[Eternal Dreamer]

Sorry for taking so long, but I've finally finished the translation of the interview! Warning, though, there are some places where I'm unsure of my translating, but don't worry, it's not in any parts that contain important information.

Interview:

“Code Geass: Jet-Black Renya”


Starting on May 26th, it will begin serialization in the monthly publication “Shonen Ace” (Kadokawa Shoten), July issue. The first chapter will have a big volume of 51 pages!


The curtain is finally being raised. I have the two people working on the first part of the Code Geass project, “Jet-Black Renya”, here today to talk about their enthusiasm for the new production. Could you tell us about why you made the stage of this Geass story in the Edo period?

Takuma: At first, I thought, “This looks difficult”. My previous work, “Nightmare of Nunnally”, was a spin-off, so this is my first work in CG’s official history. Truly difficult. (Laugh)

Taniguchi: I requested Takuma-san for this new project because “NoN” was the most freely acknowledged in the world as part the manga expansion of Code Geass. And I wanted to rely on his drawing abilities in order to create a particular atmosphere for this story.

Takuma: I personally want to soon read the continuation to Director Taniguchi’s plot, where C.C. appears in medieval Japan. In the anime version, Lelouch was a very powerful character, but now, though it really strikes the wall against what can be called “shounen” (Meaning, I think, that it’s difficult to call Code Geass a “shounen” story), I personally think that it’s appropriate that we’re clearing the way for a shounen manga. That’s why it so fun to draw.

Taniguchi: I thought I’d like to adopt the characteristics of a positive shounen manga to Code Geass. Also, I wanted to make a story that happens in ancient times. When the country and its power are rising at a time when science and technology haven’t developed yet. The process of drawing it is fun, too. Meetings are constantly being arranged between me and Takuma-san, so that we can work out the content as we look over a sketch. For example, I requested that Renya have a special characteristic for one of his hands. Renya isn’t an honours student, but he has dignity, so you should be happy, right? (Unsure on that sentence) While Lelouch was a main character who rebelled with the power of his intelligence, Renya is a main character who fights for justice with his body.

Takuma: Renya has the impression of the anime’s Kururugi Suzaku, right? Personally, I was a fan of the anime too, and I’d like to insert such elements into it for the fans as well. The content of our first talk was done mostly on Taniguchi’s part, by the way. If we had down all the drawings for the script he suggested, it would have been about 70 pages altogether (Smile), so we had to regulate our first talk. (Unsure on last sentence)

Taniguchi: Sorry about that! I hadn’t studied on how to do it sufficiently (Smile).

Have you both already seen the whole composition?

Taniguchi: We’ve already prepared the basic flow until the ending. Because it’s a manga, though, it’ll be changing as it goes along.

Takuma: By making it into a manga just as it is, I think it have a worthy future ahead of it. I’d like to be able to tell this story while enjoying myself.

Well, there you have it! We didn't get much details here, but at least we're starting to an idea of how this manga is going to be. Just six more days now until it finally comes out! (Once again, I pray that the RAWs are put up quickly.)

[-KarumA-]

over lapse... uh oh..

@-@ in b4 plot-holes, plot-holes and many more plot-holes

[Xander]

over lapse... uh oh..

@-@ in b4 plot-holes, plot-holes and many more plot-holes

I assume you're referring to Kawaguchi Yoshitaka's comments about Code Geass Gaiden, because he said that "overlaps" with Lelouch of the Rebellion?

Well, I don't see why what would be an issue when it's already been said that the new anime production takes place in Europe, hundreds of miles away from Japan or even Britannia. We know almost nothing about whatever happened in the European front during the time of the first season. It's about the closest thing they have to a clean slate and an unexplored setting. That's probably the least problematic location anyone could have chosen.

Early in R2 Schneizel, Suzaku and the Knights of the Rounds in general will have some victories in Europe, but that's it. Almost anything could have happened beforehand, especially because the main plot never had much to do with Europe.

That's not to say there won't be any details in need of an explanation, sure, but it's hard to judge something in a purely preemptive fashion. In other words, talking about whether there will be plot holes or not is far too premature.

[darthfury78]

I assume you're referring to Kawaguchi Yoshitaka's comments about Code Geass Gaiden, because he said that "overlaps" with Lelouch of the Rebellion?

Well, I don't see why what would be an issue when it's already been said that the new anime production takes place in Europe, hundreds of miles away from Japan or even Britannia. We know almost nothing about whatever happened in the European front during the time of the first season. It's about the closest thing they have to a clean slate and an unexplored setting. That's probably the least problematic location anyone could have chosen.

Early in R2 Schneizel, Suzaku and the Knights of the Rounds in general will have some victories in Europe, but that's it. Almost anything could have happened beforehand, especially because the main plot never had much to do with Europe.

That's not to say there won't be any details in need of an explanation, sure, but it's hard to judge something in a purely preemptive fashion. In other words, talking about whether there will be plot holes or not is far too premature.

I hope that the new series will not have the pitfall and frustrations as Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion had. Although I wouldn't mind seeing a remake of Lelouch of the Rebellion. Nevertheless, I am happy that the story doesn't take place around or after the second season of the original series.

[Ten-Go]

Majiko is not involved with this new manga project =( If Ill write a protest letter to the Sunrise and then kill myself - what do you think, could it be helpful?

...Oh shi*, I forgot that every 8 minutes someone kills himself in Japan, so zero reaction from Sunrise is kinda guaranteed.

[konart]

Nobody posted anything yet?

'kay than:

First color pages from new manga
http://thumbnails17.imagebam.com/8180/529f5281794046.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/529f5281794046)http://thumbnails22.imagebam.com/8180/9680e881794048.gif (http://www.imagebam.com/image/9680e881794048)

Photos of manga pages can be found here: 1 (http://p.pita.st/?debv5fum) 2 (http://p.pita.st/?9gdwxcim) 3 (http://p.pita.st/?mgdjklvw) 4 (http://p.pita.st/?aiioki0j) 5 (http://p.pita.st/?qogiopq0).

List of manga characters from 2ch: http://brunhild.sakura.ne.jp/up/src/up445340.jpg

Something new about Akito (maybe): here (http://imepita.jp/20100524/675380)

We need translation

via LJ (http://community.livejournal.com/code_geass/1589396.html) community

[Nobodyman9]

Hmm, this could be interesting. Most of the characters look to be entirely new (although I wasn't expecting a Gino clone). Of course, I'm gonna wait till the fansubs come out.

[Arbitres]

*beats head against wall* I'd rather die then have another Gino! *smashes*


...Am I the only one that notices the latin "Let justice be done even should the world perish"?

Or am I being delusional?

[konart]

*beats head against wall* I'd rather die then have another Gino! *smashes*


...Am I the only one that notices the latin "Let justice be done even should the world perish"?

Or am I being delusional?

I see only

Per me si va ne la città dolente,
per me si va ne l'etterno dolore,
per me si va tra la perduta gente.
Giustizia mosse il mio alto fattore:
fecemi la divina podestate,
la somma sapienza e 'l primo amore.
Dinanzi a me non fuor cose create
se non etterne, e io etterno duro.
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate

- Canto III from Inferno of The Divine Comedy. We could see lines from it near the ending of the R2(or was it R1?)

[Arbitres]

I saw that after looking closer. My mistake, sorry for that Konart... But at least we got more information as a result?


The divine comedy? I guess that will do for speculative material. Not going to even bother on that one though.


Now we either wait for fansubs or we wait for Eternal Dreamer. :heh:

[Kittenlady]

Wasn't Lelouch reading The Devine Comedy at the beginning of R2?

[Xander]

Well, the art's actually pretty nice here. Better than what I expected.

And I suppose this means we could be getting a little more information about the origin / history of Geass in the manga, one way or another. :heh:

Interesting enough, the cape worn by the long-haired Lelouch (if we are assuming that's him) has a different symbol this time around.

It was originally exactly the same as the Order of the Black Knights logo, in the early preview images, but now...if this story takes place in the past, perhaps it's an older Britannian and/or Geass-related symbol which was later re-used and modified for the Black Knights?

[Eternal Dreamer]

...GINOOOOOOOOOOOO????!!! Of all the characters of Code Geass, they brought back the bloody playboy?! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT????????!!!!!!!

...was my first reaction to this...Moving along...:heh:

Well, seems like have started to get interesting. From my first look at some of the images on LJ community, I can't tell whether C.C. is Renya enemy or not. (She wears a similar uniform to the portrayed villains, yet there's one pic where she apparently opens a mental link with him, so I'm just flabbergasted there.) Also, anyone else seen the pic with the two-eyed Geass Lelouch (real or look-alike?) in one pic? Come on, that's GOT to mean something.

Also, I hate to ask, but can anyone elaborate more on what exactly those Latin inscribed words mean? I'm embarrassed to say this, but this is the first time I've ever heard of the "Divine Comedy" and even after looking it up a little, I still don't completely get it. Would anyone care to explain for use ignorant folk? :heh:

And I intend to translate some of the text with the color pages. (Translating manga itself has always been a bit difficult for me, with my mehtods. :heh: ) However, if possible, could someone post a better quality pic of that sideways picture of Renya and Lelouch as soon as possible? The way it is right now, I can't make out enough of it to properly translate.

[konart]

Also, I hate to ask, but can anyone elaborate more on what exactly those Latin inscribed words mean? I'm embarrassed to say this, but this is the first time I've ever heard of the "Divine Comedy" and even after looking it up a little, I still don't completely get it. Would anyone care to explain for use ignorant folk? :heh:

Those are Italian first of all :D

Translation:
Through me you pass into the city of woe:
Through me you pass into eternal pain:
Through me among the people lost for aye.
Justice the founder of my fabric moved:
To rear me was the task of Power divine,
Supremest Wisdom, and primeval Love.
Before me things create were none, save things
Eternal, and eternal I endure.
All hope abandon, ye who enter here.”

You have to read classics once in a time :heh:

And, well, those are written on a gates of Hell

[Eternal Dreamer]

It's not not I don't read any classics, it's just that I'm more interested in current works. :heh: (But I do intend to take a look at some of the more famous older works this summer though.)

Anyway, I've finished translating the color pages! (I know, fast, but there really wasn't much to translate in the first place.) First up is that cover page that shows Gino in the corner (Where he should remain, thank you very much):

少年に忍び寄り　“宿命”の足音――
The footsteps of “fate” which creep towards this boy—

「ギアス」の“序章”が　遂に開幕！！
The curtain is raised upon this “prologue” to Geass!!

Be warned, though, that this translation, as well as the next, are not my most confident works; there's some room for error here.

And now, that first color page of the new manga, with the supposedly "Gate of Hell" in the background! (Sorry if it doesn't make the best of sense; as I've said, translating manga has always been a problem for me. Partly because it's so HARD to tell when a line of text becomes one or two (or even three) sentences.)

人は己が何者なのかを知りたがる
People want to understand what kind of person they are.

知るためには絶対的なる基準が必要だ
To know this, standards that are absolute are necessary.

基準なき判断は存在しない　なら　その基準は誰が作るのか
A judgement without standards does not exist. If that is the case, who decides these standards?

何によって　それらは必要とされるのか
What are they necessary for?

That's all I have for now, though I recommend waiting for a proper and professional translation on the last one; it's just a rough estimate, at best.

Next I'm going to be doing the character list, which seems to be quite easy in term of translation. I should have that one out sometime tonight or tomorrow. (Though the other, better translators out there might beat me to it. :heh: )

[Arbitres]

...GINOOOOOOOOOOOO????!!! Of all the characters of Code Geass, they brought back the bloody playboy?! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT????????!!!!!!!

...was my first reaction to this...Moving along...:heh:

Well, seems like have started to get interesting. From my first look at some of the images on LJ community, I can't tell whether C.C. is Renya enemy or not. (She wears a similar uniform to the portrayed villains, yet there's one pic where she apparently opens a mental link with him, so I'm just flabbergasted there.) Also, anyone else seen the pic with the two-eyed Geass Lelouch (real or look-alike?) in one pic? Come on, that's GOT to mean something.

Also, I hate to ask, but can anyone elaborate more on what exactly those Latin inscribed words mean? I'm embarrassed to say this, but this is the first time I've ever heard of the "Divine Comedy" and even after looking it up a little, I still don't completely get it. Would anyone care to explain for use ignorant folk? :heh:

And I intend to translate some of the text with the color pages. (Translating manga itself has always been a bit difficult for me, with my mehtods. :heh: ) However, if possible, could someone post a better quality pic of that sideways picture of Renya and Lelouch as soon as possible? The way it is right now, I can't make out enough of it to properly translate.

...I didn't think his reaction would be as bad as mine. I mean seriously ED, that was off the topic "YOU SUCK!" kind of reaction. I absolutely agree though.

...The Divine Comedy was written by Dante Alighieri, who 'descended into hell to save the soul of his wife'. Yes I know, Dante, Orpheus, Izanagi. Very similar. You don't want to hear my theories :heh:


It's not not I don't read any classics, it's just that I'm more interested in current works.

Read Gawain the Green Knight, The Epic Saga, Ulster Cycle, and the Lancelot-Holy Grail cycle. They are all worth a read. All classic (...mythology. I excel in mythology.)


... "A judgement without standards does not exist. If that is the case, who decides these standards?" Sounds like the speaker is atheistic. :p

[Roloko vi Britannia]

am I the only who likes Gino here too and is actually happy about his smexy reappearance?? that suit CC is wearing its hot and I can't wait for someone to upload the english scans online....

[Arbitres]

He is hot right until he opens his mouth. Smexiness doesn't equal intelligence. Besides he has an ugly knightmare until he got Tristan Divider. No to Gino, yes to Tristan. He should get Dagonet or something. He was, in series, a 'court jester' sort to speak.

I like the clothes worn by the black haired guy. :'o So cool. Geass Directorate clothing needed much more love. Kind of like the female Devicer suits used by Kuro no Kishidan.

[Eternal Dreamer]

...I didn't think his reaction would be as bad as mine. I mean seriously ED, that was off the topic "YOU SUCK!" kind of reaction. I absolutely agree though.

...The Divine Comedy was written by Dante Alighieri, who 'descended into hell to save the soul of his wife'. Yes I know, Dante, Orpheus, Izanagi. Very similar. You don't want to hear my theories :heh:




Read Gawain the Green Knight, The Epic Saga, Ulster Cycle, and the Lancelot-Holy Grail cycle. They are all worth a read. All classic (...mythology. I excel in mythology.)


... "A judgement without standards does not exist. If that is the case, who decides these standards?" Sounds like the speaker is atheistic. :p

...Sorry for the over-the-top reaction. Even I regretted it after I posted it. (I just wish they could have chosen someone besides Gino to reuse in this manga, as he isn't high on my list of favorites. Except for the Tristan Divider, which I agree was awesome.)

...Anyway, I've finished the translation of the Character descriptions, though I really hope that a better translator will do these in the near future; I'm not exactly satisfied with how I did it, but it's the best I could come up with. Hopefully it doesn't ruin your expectations TOO much. :heh:

登場人物
The Characters

連夜
主人公。　剣術、学問、馬とまるで駄目だが実戦には強い。　特大のクナイをブーメランのように投げるのが得 意
Renya
Main character. Sucks when it comes to sword-fighting, studying, and horses, but is strong in actual combat. Throwing specialized kunai as boomerangs is his specialty.

カルラ
連夜の仲間。　頭が良いが教え方に問題がある　（刀で取り囲んだ状態で三日三晩休み食事なし等 ）
Karura
Renya’s friend/comrade. Is smart but her methods of teaching are problematic. (To surround a person with swords for three days and nights while they rest and eat and so forth.)

アンジ
連夜の仲間。　連夜を若と呼ぶ。　連夜とは子供の頃からの仲
Anji
Renya’s friend/comrade. Calls Renya a kid (Uncertain). Their friendship goes back to their childhood.

美鈴
連夜の仲間。
Misuzu (Most probable spelling, not definite. Others: Misato, Mirin, Mirei, Meirin)
Renya’s friend/comrade.

(Cannot find kanji.)
連夜の仲間。
Unknown name
Renya’s friend/comrade.

ツワブキ
連夜の仲間。
Tsuwabuki
Renya’s friend/comrade.

師範
連夜たちの師
Instructor (spelled as Shihan)
Renya’s and everyone teacher

皇一心
里を襲撃した敵の大将。　強い敵を見つけると自分の身体に傷を付けてその存在を心に残してから 倒すハードＭ
Emperor Isshin? (Tentative name)
Leader of the enemy which attacked Renya’s village. When he sees a strong enemy and his body gets wounded, he becomes a hard masochist which gives up his rational mind in order to defeat /kill (Uncertain).

一心の軍勢と行動を共にする伴天連（外国人）。　連夜に力を与えるが…。
Foreigners who serves as Isshin’s army, and who seeks to spread Christianity. They give Renya a certain power…

連夜の背後に浮かんだ人物。
A character that appears in Renya’s background (Uncertain, could also means he is behind the scenes or something.)

桜の爆ぜ石
爆発する
Exploding Stone of Cherry Blossoms (In other words, Sakuradite)
Explodes.


...I know, it isn't the best, but it does shed some light on a few things. First is obviously that C.C. is APPARENTLY working for the villain here and is also, get this, working for CHRISTIANITY. (I feel light-headed from the utter irony of that. Although...*imagines C.C. as a nun*...Nah, that's asking for too much.) Also, the Lelouch-lookalike remains shrouded in mystery, though we have confirmed that he has Lelouch's "fully developed" Geass and apparently is connected to Renya somehow. (I sense endless, and heated, speculation in the future...)

I guess that's it for today. Now I can only wait quietly for the raws, and then the scanlation, to come up...IS IT HERE YET?! (Sorry, couldn't resist...:heh: )

[Xander]

Once again, thanks for all the translations. Even if they're not perfect, it's still much better than nothing. I'm sure the entire manga will be translated sooner or later.

I think that character might be Gino's ancestor, if they're even related at all...and, just as well, maybe the long-haired guy isn't really Lelouch but his great grandfather or something, who must have come up with a complicated plan of some sort involving Geass and whatever crazy concepts are going to be used in the story (insert stuff like time travel, reincarnation, etc. etc.).

This is all pure speculation, of course, but now that this manga has been formally introduced as a "prologue" and so forth, it's what I've deduced so far.


Also, the Lelouch-lookalike remains shrouded in mystery, though we have confirmed that he has Lelouch's "fully developed" Geass and apparently is connected to Renya somehow. (I sense endless, and heated, speculation in the future...)

True, but keep in mind that Geass users should be able to reach that "fully developed" Geass...and, what's more, if Emperor Lelouch gained the Code at the end of R2 (as per the popular fan theory) he would have immediately lost his Geass in exchange for immortality. This guy...still has Geass. :heh:

[Eternal Dreamer]

Once again, thanks for all the translations. Even if they're not perfect, it's still much better than nothing. I'm sure the entire manga will be translated sooner or later.

I think that character might be Gino's ancestor, if they're even related at all...and, just as well, maybe the long-haired guy isn't really Lelouch but his great grandfather or something, who must have come up with a complicated plan of some sort involving Geass and whatever crazy concepts are going to be used in the story (insert stuff like time travel, reincarnation, etc. etc.).

This is all pure speculation, of course, but now that this manga has been formally introduced as a "prologue" and so forth, it's what I've deduced so far.

True, but keep in mind that Geass users should be able to reach that "fully developed" Geass...and, what's more, if Emperor Lelouch gained the Code at the end of R2 (as per the popular fan theory) he would have immediately lost his Geass in exchange for immortality. This guy...still has Geass. :heh:

...Just so you know, I'm not of those fans who believe in the "Lelouch became immortal theory". I have my reasons, but they're off-topic here, so I'll just say that I'm open to the possibility that the Lelouch in the picture might be the actual Lelouch. Though I have strong doubts on that as well, mainly because of that girl shown in the color pages next to Le-like (my nickname for him until definite confirmation), who seems connected to him somehow, suggesting that he is, in fact, a new and different character. (But, either way, I think I'll just wait for the manga's story to unfold before passing judgment on any of that.)

[Xander]

...Just so you know, I'm not of those fans who believe in the "Lelouch became immortal theory". I have my reasons, but they're off-topic here, so I'll just say that I'm open to the possibility that the Lelouch in the picture might be the actual Lelouch. Though I have strong doubts on that as well, mainly because of that girl shown in the color pages next to Le-like (my nickname for him until definite confirmation), who seems connected to him somehow, suggesting that he is, in fact, a new and different character. (But, either way, I think I'll just wait for the manga's story to unfold before passing judgment on any of that.)

Oh, I don't believe in that theory either, strictly speaking...but I still think Sunrise is capable of anything, provided it serves their objectives, and for better or for worse that's the fan explanation accepted by most of those who think Lelouch survived. At the very least, this would conflict with the theory as it has been presented.

The identity of that girl poses some interesting questions, to be sure...maybe she's his "Nunnally-equivalent" or something else entirely?

I agree, by the way, about waiting for the full story before making too many assumptions. Whatever the case, the creators of this manga aren't afraid of introducing a lot of parallels and references, to say nothing more, but the differences should begin to show up as more information is revealed.

[Arbitres]

Whoops. I put 'Gawain the Green Knight', It's actually 'Gawain and the Green Knight' Gomen. :heh: Sorry!

Not even going to speculate who le-like is (:p I like the name too. Saves time from Lelouch look-alike.) My speculation? His character appearance is awesome. I love the cape.

Good things come to those that wait. I'll be setting on the bench with you and Eternal Dreamer, Xander. :heh: Sort of speaking.

[miroku2192]

So will we be expecting an anime adaption of this story? Why manga first this time though? Why not just go straight into the anime?

edit:
btw arbitres, who is that character in your avatar? Looks familiar :X

[Xander]

So will we be expecting an anime adaption of this story? Why manga first this time though? Why not just go straight into the anime?

I can think of a number of possible reasons.

a)Taniguchi, the director of the anime who is also writing the plot for this manga, has said before that he likes "challenges" and working on his first manga project sounds like a good one. Or he might just want to take a break from directing stuff.

b)The manga format allows the creators to take more risks and be a little more flexible without being restricted by the demands and pressures of a weekly anime production. Unless it is prematurely cancelled, there should be no such thing as the rush or the pacing problems we saw in R2 and the story should move along at a better pace. It's also easier to gradually introduce weird or crazy ideas and see whether they work or not, making changes to them if necessary.

c)Perhaps the plan is to adapt this manga into an animated format sooner or later, depending on how successful it is.

d)All of the above?

[darthfury78]

I can think of a number of possible reasons.

a)Taniguchi, the director of the anime who is also writing the plot for this manga, has said before that he likes "challenges" and working on his first manga project sounds like a good one. Or he might just want to take a break from directing stuff.

b)The manga format allows the creators to take more risks and be a little more flexible without being restricted by the demands and pressures of a weekly anime production. Unless it is prematurely cancelled, there should be no such thing as the rush or the pacing problems we saw in R2 and the story should move along at a better pace. It's also easier to gradually introduce weird or crazy ideas and see whether they work or not, making changes to them if necessary.

c)Perhaps the plan is to adapt this manga into an animated format sooner or later, depending on how successful it is.

d)All of the above?

This was a suggestion that I placed in my letter to Tanigushi, last year. I mentioned that the best way to tell his story is to do it in a manga format. Thus, the unexpected success of Code Geass would provide him with an option to do a manga in his own words, without the stress and restrictions of doing an anime. The success of the manga would provide a better outline of doing an anime than simply brainstorming for a weekly anime series.

Although, I would have loved to see a remake of Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion written by Okouchi. His words would be much better than the previous authors who wrote the manga adaptations, which suck. And this doesn't include The Nightmare of Nunnally.

[Arbitres]

So will we be expecting an anime adaption of this story? Why manga first this time though? Why not just go straight into the anime?

edit:
btw arbitres, who is that character in your avatar? Looks familiar :X

Certainly hope they give us an anime adaption. That would mean awesome gifs and signatures for that black-haired guy. :heh: Le-like!

Offtopic: It's Regret(ta) from Tales of The Abyss anime adaption.

Now back onto this...

c)Perhaps the plan is to adapt this manga into an animated format sooner or later, depending on how successful it is.

I hope this is what they are doing, testing the waters is the best strategy, and it's far too early for us to know whether or not Black Jet Renya is/will be successful.

[ShinobiMuramasa]

Once again, thanks for all the translations. Even if they're not perfect, it's still much better than nothing. I'm sure the entire manga will be translated sooner or later.

I think that character might be Gino's ancestor, if they're even related at all...and, just as well, maybe the long-haired guy isn't really Lelouch but his great grandfather or something, who must have come up with a complicated plan of some sort involving Geass and whatever crazy concepts are going to be used in the story (insert stuff like time travel, reincarnation, etc. etc.).

This is all pure speculation, of course, but now that this manga has been formally introduced as a "prologue" and so forth, it's what I've deduced so far.



True, but keep in mind that Geass users should be able to reach that "fully developed" Geass...and, what's more, if Emperor Lelouch gained the Code at the end of R2 (as per the popular fan theory) he would have immediately lost his Geass in exchange for immortality. This guy...still has Geass. :heh:

If the mysterious Lelouch look a like is actually Lelouch after having gained the Code, then there's a very logical reason for him still having Geass. In the cases of people getting the Code that we've seen (C.C. and Charles) they received the Code from the person they got the Geass from, thus the Code replaced the Geass. In Lelouch's case, he would have taken the Code from Charles, not C.C., so the Code would not have replaced the Geass. That would leave him with both the Code and Geass, or "Code Geass."

[darthfury78]

If the mysterious Lelouch look a like is actually Lelouch after having gained the Code, then there's a very logical reason for him still having Geass. In the cases of people getting the Code that we've seen (C.C. and Charles) they received the Code from the person they got the Geass from, thus the Code replaced the Geass. In Lelouch's case, he would have taken the Code from Charles, not C.C., so the Code would not have replaced the Geass. That would leave him with both the Code and Geass, or "Code Geass."

Or, perhaps, this might be the start of the original plans that Tanigushi had for Code Geass. It was said that the initial plan for the series was to have an idealistic soldier who was butting heads with his superiors. But, that idea was rejected. Thus, Tanigushi maybe going back to the series roots. It appears that nobody wants to acknowledge Code Geass R2. Not only was the second season rushed, but a lot of important details was cut out of the storyline just to get to the ending faster.

[Arbitres]

Oh come now. R2 was awesome in some aspects. i.e: Kallen and Lelouch kiss, Bunny Kallen... Luciano butthurt being fried by SEITEN. Beats most series with those three.


I say we halt the possible speculation until we get more then one volume to go on. Sounds logical and the speculator will look less stupid if they wait just a bit longer. Who says that is actually Lelouch, and simply not his spirit of some sort? We don't know enough to make anything plausible.

What we do know is the period of time and what they are planning on doing with manga-verse and anime-verse. (Lost Colors is learned towards anime-verse for several reasons, not naming due to offtopic.)

important details was cut out of the storyline just to get to the ending faster.

Like Suzaku's connection to The Thought Elevator / Geass in general.

[darthfury78]

Oh come now. R2 was awesome in some aspects. i.e: Kallen and Lelouch kiss, Bunny Kallen... Luciano butthurt being fried by SEITEN. Beats most series with those three.


I say we halt the possible speculation until we get more then one volume to go on. Sounds logical and the speculator will look less stupid if they wait just a bit longer. Who says that is actually Lelouch, and simply not his spirit of some sort? We don't know enough to make anything plausible.

What we do know is the period of time and what they are planning on doing with manga-verse and anime-verse. (Lost Colors is learned towards anime-verse for several reasons, not naming due to offtopic.)



Like Suzaku's connection to The Thought Elevator / Geass in general.

The kiss between Kallen x Lelouch was expected. But, it was originally planned for Season One. The history of Geass and Suzaku's connection to it was just one example of what was dropped from the Second Season. We still don't know why the Ashfords lost their Nobility following Marianne's death. And the part where Llyod only wanted to marry Milly in order to get access to the Ashford Technical Research information of their KMF development data was dropped from the story as well because it was never mentioned again in Season Two. Those are just a few examples that was omited from Season Two, in my opinion.

[Xander]

In Lelouch's case, he would have taken the Code from Charles, not C.C., so the Code would not have replaced the Geass.

Honestly, I think your hypothesis is a bit of a stretch since the show gave us absolutely no indication of why that would make any difference, but I admit there's really no way to prove or disprove it at the moment. Until then, the subject remains open to speculation and it's something that may be addressed by the new manga in time.

[TrueElements]

holy shit gino made the cut?? Now I'm thinking we are just going to see everyones edo clone overtime...

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Okay, if anyone brings up anymore of any of the 'code' bullshit or I'll send a wave of hatred through your internet connection so strong it will vaporize your soul instantaneously.

(Oh, you doubt?)

If anything I'm betting the Lelouch look-alike is an ancestor. (Or hell, an ancestor of Xing-ke.) Why were we even speculating that the look-alike was Lelouch in the first place? Oh yeah, because of that one promo pic that named Lelouch next to Renya: http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8885/1273371990209codegeassg.jpg

And that guy is most certainly not the same as this guy: http://www.imagebam.com/image/9680e881794048

Unless Lelouch ditched the cape for a red one and grew his hair out. In which case, then clearly:

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t152/zomgspongelolbob/Lelouchdepths.png

You laugh, but if it's Lelouch that seems to be exactly what they're implying.

Anyway "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'entrate" -that text appears more than once, but I forget when the second time was. I love it when a series gives subtle homages to classic literature. And it's a coy way of seeing deeper into the plot.

On a side note, it's not perfect but it looks like the manga ka for Renya has been studying up on Sunrize's style a bit. Thank God.

[vk531]

If you want to get off the rather beaten path of the code theory, here's something I've been thinking about lately:

If the world of C is generally the collective mind of mankind and each and every person on earth is actually a mask directly linked to that entity, than the fact that Lelouch existed in 2018 (or whenever) means that the potential for Lelouch existed throughout time and might be able to manifest itself regardless of the fate of it predecessors.

Take it a step further and Lelouch could just be a tool of the collective for whenever the world is going out of control (Oh, look, another madman wants to blow up the planet...fetch me the #7 spanner, please. Yeah, the one with the messiah complex and the suicidal tendencies.)

Very unlikely to be anything close to cannon but it's still an entertaining trail of thought. ;)

[ShinobiMuramasa]

If you want to get off the rather beaten path of the code theory, here's something I've been thinking about lately:

If the world of C is generally the collective mind of mankind and each and every person on earth is actually a mask directly linked to that entity, than the fact that Lelouch existed in 2018 (or whenever) means that the potential for Lelouch existed throughout time and might be able to manifest itself regardless of the fate of it predecessors.

Take it a step further and Lelouch could just be a tool of the collective for whenever the world is going out of control (Oh, look, another madman wants to blow up the planet...fetch me the #7 spanner, please. Yeah, the one with the messiah complex and the suicidal tendencies.)

Very unlikely to be anything close to cannon but it's still an entertaining trail of thought. ;)

That's a very interesting theory, but I do agree with you in that it deviates too much from the already presented logic to be canon. Lelouch getting the Code from the Emperor still seems like the most logical explanation to me. But your theory is quite intriguing.

[bladeofdarkness]

That's a very interesting theory, but I do agree with you in that it deviates too much from the already presented logic to be canon. Lelouch getting the Code from the Emperor still seems like the most logical explanation to me. But your theory is quite intriguing.

as opposed to him just being dead ? :confused:

and even if he DID somehow get a code, doesn't explain how he travels back in time

[Nobodyman9]

My theory is that he's just a guy that looks and acts a lot like Lelouch, and just happens to have the same geass as him.

[Arbitres]

Unless I see him making an organization called The Black Knights and 'performing miracles' will I even consider it being Rebellion Lelouch.

Le-like is simply identifiable to Rebellion Lelouch, nothing more then we can see besides that.

I'll wait for concrete evidence, along with good scans and translations of the evidence so we can finally have something to go on.

So far, we have near nothing to go on besides character recycling. (I use character recycling in a very lenient manner, mind you.) So I wouldn't fret or theorize anything quite yet.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

That thing I mentioned about personally murdering anyone who mentioned the 'code' trollshit again?

I meant it.

Lelouch getting the Code from the Emperor still seems like the most logical explanation to me.

What you really meant to say was that it would seem likely if only it weren't for the fact that all the 'code' logic is just troll crap. :)

[Revolutionist]

Those are some serious threats...telling people you're going to murder them for their opinions...Might wanna ease off a little bit no?

[morbosfist]

If he can murder someone's soul through the internet with pure hatred, he deserves to get away with it.

[Rising Dragon]

She, actually. And if she could do that, she'd be rich because people would pay her to kill a lot of people.

[GundamFan0083]

That's a very interesting theory, but I do agree with you in that it deviates too much from the already presented logic to be canon. Lelouch getting the Code from the Emperor still seems like the most logical explanation to me. But your theory is quite intriguing.

You've gone and done it now! :D
You've got ZB all "RrrrrrrrrrrrrreowW! FffffffffffffffffffT!"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BeHgDKjt1YQ/SYCcOamaTKI/AAAAAAAAABk/8xuKsntu-BA/S230/Kitten+Hissing!.jpg

As evidenced by her reaction to your suggestion. :D

That thing I mentioned about personally murdering anyone who mentioned the 'code' trollshit again?

I meant it.



What you really meant to say was that it would seem likely if only it weren't for the fact that all the 'code' logic is just troll crap. :)

I pity Sunrise if they ever do actually try to rewrite the events of R2 and have Charles force his code on Lelouch...there will be hell to pay!!

In regards to the new manga.
It looks very interesting, and if I find the time I'll check it out for a read.
Methinks that the Lelouch-alike is probably an ancestor of Lelouch just like the Gino-alike/clone most certainly is.
Unless there's some kind of "Otogi Zoshi" thingy going on in CG that we don't yet know about?

[Laurcus]

Death note anyone? The hate is strong with this one... Anyways, maybe we should all just simmer down a bit, and enjoy the new manga. I mean, that's what we're all here for right; to enjoy Code Geass and socialize with others who have the same interests?

[GundamFan0083]

Normally I would agree with you if this were most other anime series, but Code Geass has an effect on people. ;)

[azul120]

If he can murder someone's soul through the internet with pure hatred, he deserves to get away with it.

Betcha Tristan from YGO Abridged could pull it off.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

And in social situations in the real world, bouncers are hired to kick the tar out of trouble makers so everyone else can continue having a good time. :)

http://swissmiss.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/bunny26_1.jpg

And if Sunrise ever decided to conform to fan theory, I'd commit zero requiem. That is all.

[darthfury78]

You've gone and done it now! :D
You've got ZB all "RrrrrrrrrrrrrreowW! FffffffffffffffffffT!"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BeHgDKjt1YQ/SYCcOamaTKI/AAAAAAAAABk/8xuKsntu-BA/S230/Kitten+Hissing!.jpg

As evidenced by her reaction to your suggestion. :D



I pity Sunrise if they ever do actually try to rewrite the events of R2 and have Charles force his code on Lelouch...there will be hell to pay!!

In regards to the new manga.
It looks very interesting, and if I find the time I'll check it out for a read.
Methinks that the Lelouch-alike is probably an ancestor of Lelouch just like the Gino-alike/clone most certainly is.
Unless there's some kind of "Otogi Zoshi" thingy going on in CG that we don't yet know about?

Perhaps it's best that we keep the anime and the manga as two separate entities to themselves. What I see, regarding the Gino/Lelouch clone is perhaps the storyline setting that Tanigushi originally envisioned before he had to make changes to it, as far as the anime goes. As a manga, he has a fresh start because he doesn't have to deal with the BS that was associated with the anime production. For Tanigushi, this is a whole new beginning to create his vision the way he wants it to be.

[Rising Dragon]

Perhaps it's best that we keep the anime and the manga as two separate entities to themselves. What I see, regarding the Gino/Lelouch clone is perhaps the storyline setting that Tanigushi originally envisioned before he had to make changes to it, as far as the anime goes. As a manga, he has a fresh start because he doesn't have to deal with the BS that was associated with the anime production. For Tanigushi, this is a whole new beginning to create his vision the way he wants it to be.

And yet that'll never happen because Taniguchi already said that its part of the Code Geass timeline, which means the anime since it came first. So... oh well. Best to accept it and move on.

[Arbitres]

They already mentioned that the anime -- Lelouch of the Rebellion (R1, R2) is the sequel to Jet Black Renya.

Manga other then Jet Black Renya are in a different verse all together, thus the split between 'animeverse' and 'mangaverse' as it's been called. As such that includes Nightmare of Nunnally, Suzaku of the Counterattack, and so on. Even the manga adaption of Lelouch of the Rebellion is considered less canon due to it's differentiated content.

So we can put Renya and Lelouch in the same timeline/universe.

Black jet Renya IS part of canon Code Geass history - that has been determined by Taniguchi.

Or from what I've seen anyways. Did I get anything wrong?

[Rising Dragon]

Nope, got it all correct.

[darthfury78]

They already mentioned that the anime -- Lelouch of the Rebellion (R1, R2) is the sequel to Jet Black Renya.

Manga other then Jet Black Renya are in a different verse all together, thus the split between 'animeverse' and 'mangaverse' as it's been called. As such that includes Nightmare of Nunnally, Suzaku of the Counterattack, and so on. Even the manga adaption of Lelouch of the Rebellion is considered less canon due to it's differentiated content.

So we can put Renya and Lelouch in the same timeline/universe.

Black jet Renya IS part of canon Code Geass history - that has been determined by Taniguchi.

Or from what I've seen anyways. Did I get anything wrong?

And yet that'll never happen because Taniguchi already said that its part of the Code Geass timeline, which means the anime since it came first. So... oh well. Best to accept it and move on.


Let me be VERY clear: A manga allows Taniguchi the opportunity to explain his story with GREATER depth than what he was allowed to do with the anime. When I state that the manga and anime should be separate, I meant to say that the story[manga] would not have the same problems going forward as it was done to the anime the first time around. This is why I would love to see Okouchi remake Lelouch of the Rebellion as a manga because it would give him the freedom of laying out the story better than what the anime production schedule allowed. Therefore, I would love to see the story of Code Geass told as a manga first because it provides an outline for the animation to follow.

Manga first. Anime second.

[ShinobiMuramasa]

That thing I mentioned about personally murdering anyone who mentioned the 'code' trollshit again?

I meant it.



What you really meant to say was that it would seem likely if only it weren't for the fact that all the 'code' logic is just troll crap. :)

And in social situations in the real world, bouncers are hired to kick the tar out of trouble makers so everyone else can continue having a good time. :)


And if Sunrise ever decided to conform to fan theory, I'd commit zero requiem. That is all.

Oh? So because someone has an opinion that differs from yours, it's "troll crap"? This is a message board and you may not like it, but people can write just about whatever they want here. You should embrace that fact rather than trying to condemn it; it's thanks to this being a place to share public opinion that you're allowed to spout ignorant and intolerant nonsense.

And if you think your posts have "kicked the tar out of me", then you can add delusional to your list of qualities, along with ignorant and intolerant. If someone having a different opinion from you is an obstacle to your fun, you shouldn't venture outside of your little box.

I didn't come to this topic to have a discussion with a troll, nor did I come here to discuss the ending of R2. Discussion of the new manga and anime is what this topic is for, so that's what I'm here to discuss. If that somehow ties into Lelouch possibly being in the new manga, then so be it. But until there's a concrete canon explanation, your opinion is just as good as mine.

I won't entertain further exchanges with you since having a sensible, open-minded conversation with you is impossible. I will not just go away though, so if that dampens your "good time", you'll just have to bear with it.

Back on topic, does anyone know if a group has already committed to scanlating the new manga? Since this manga is actually canon, I would think there would be quite a few people eager to scanlate it.

[bladeofdarkness]

Oh? So because someone has an opinion that differs from yours, it's "troll crap"? This is a message board and you may not like it, but people can write just about whatever they want here. You should embrace that fact rather than trying to condemn it; it's thanks to this being a place to share public opinion that you're allowed to spout ignorant and intolerant nonsense.

actually, its NOT because you have different opinions
we actually like different opinions around here (mostly)
its because your theory
namely that Lelouch is anything other then dead meat, has been REPEATEDLY refuted by everyone involved in the project
which makes your continued insistence of arguing this theory pointlessly redundant
or as you put it, "troll crap"

championing a theory only works when the theory is a VALID option
if the theory has already been disproved by the forces that be, then its just blowing smoke

[ShinobiMuramasa]

actually, its NOT because you have different opinions
we actually like different opinions around here (mostly)
its because your theory
namely that Lelouch is anything other then dead meat, has been REPEATEDLY refuted by everyone involved in the project
which makes your continued insistence of arguing this theory pointlessly redundant
or as you put it, "troll crap"

championing a theory only works when the theory is a VALID option
if the theory has already been disproved by the forces that be, then its just blowing smoke

Can you show me an interview from Taniguchi that says Lelouch did not get the Code? I am well aware of the interviews saying that he "died", but as they made clear, the Code does not activate until one's death. So since you say that official word has already disproved this theory, then it should not be hard to provide something showing that they said he did not get the Code.

They can say he died any number of times, but because of the way the Code works, if they find it helpful for the franchise they can always bring him back using this explanation. But if there is something that specifically says that he did not get the Code, then I would be interested in seeing it.

[bladeofdarkness]

Can you show me an interview from Taniguchi that says Lelouch did not get the Code? I am well aware of the interviews saying that he "died", but as they made clear, the Code does not activate until one's death. So since you say that official word has already disproved this theory, then it should not be hard to provide something showing that they said he did not get the Code.

They can say he died any number of times, but because of the way the Code works, if they find it helpful for the franchise they can always bring him back using this explanation. But if there is something that specifically says that he did not get the Code, then I would be interested in seeing it.

no, they repeatedly said that Lelouch is DEAD
not "died", DEAD
as in, he did NOT come back to life.

Zetsubou Bunny's sig actually contains a link in it to an entire GROUP concerning it
but i'll give you a link
http://forums.animesuki.com/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=974

[Arbitres]

Is this necessary? I fail to understand why we can't get along with each other's theories so long we remain civil and open up to the logistics of the theory.

It's as Blade says, the theory needs to have several validly conclusive evidence in order to be anymore more then inductive.

Arguing which theory has sovereign over all others... Well, that is a waste of time. The answer is very simple: Our theories are worthless because we aren't the one doing the manga. So being malicious and spiteful won't get you anywhere on something so trivial.

Yes I understand the anticipation, I readily feel it. But what I can't feel is the overall desire to make something meant to be taken in stride so overwhelmingly serious.

I personally think this is childish, it's a superb fandom. We shouldn't represent it by being like this.

Again I won't name my theory because it's currently lacking substance. I'll need more confirmation and or adjustment to see whether or not it'll hold water.

[ShinobiMuramasa]

Yes I've seen that before. But those materials do not address any information about the Code nor does it state that Lelouch did not gain it; since it does not say that specifically, it does not address the theory. Although it may appear more likely that Lelouch is just dead, those material do not rule out the possibility that he obtained the Code from Charles during their encounter.

I am not trying to argue that I am right and everyone else is wrong, I am merely saying that the possibility exists. A few pages back someone mentioned that if the "mysterious figure " that bears a striking resemblance to Lelouch in the new manga is indeed Lelouch, that should provide evidence that he did not obtain the Code since the person possesses the Geass in both eyes. My post regarding Lelouch gaining the Code from Charles, rather than C.C., could make it possible for him to have both the Code (from Charles) and the Geass (from C.C.).

Since we know that the Code activates upon death, unless the writers state specifically that Lelouch did not gain the Code and is therefore dead with no chance of return, the possibility that he does have it still exists until they say otherwise. The information supporting his death is not information ruling out the possibility that he obtained the Code. Since it is not, an ambiguity will continue to exist until we have concrete proof that can rule out the possibility of him getting the Code.

As long as the possibility exists, it is still a viable option for the writers to take. If their ventures with Code Geass without Lelouch are not as successful as they hope, you can rest assured that they will find some way to bring him back into the story so the series can ride on his popularity. Since they have yet to rule out the possibility of him having the Code, they have that as an option they could use at any point.

[youngde]

In the end, no matter what any of the creators of the show said at any given time, it's not like they can't retcon it if it's convenient. Mind you, generally, retconning purely to bring a character back without any logical reason other than he was popular almost always ends in disappointment (ala Mu La Flaga).

Still, since it's no way confirmed that Lelouch is alive, let alone that he has a Code AND that Code can apparently let him travel through time for some reason, I'm not going jump to any conclusions.

youngde, signing off

[ShinobiMuramasa]

Is this necessary? I fail to understand why we can't get along with each other's theories so long we remain civil and open up to the logistics of the theory.

It's as Blade says, the theory needs to have several validly conclusive evidence in order to be anymore more then inductive.

Arguing which theory has sovereign over all others... Well, that is a waste of time. The answer is very simple: Our theories are worthless because we aren't the one doing the manga. So being malicious and spiteful won't get you anywhere on something so trivial.

Yes I understand the anticipation, I readily feel it. But what I can't feel is the overall desire to make something meant to be taken in stride so overwhelmingly serious.

I personally think this is childish, it's a superb fandom. We shouldn't represent it by being like this.

Again I won't name my theory because it's currently lacking substance. I'll need more confirmation and or adjustment to see whether or not it'll hold water.

I agree with you completely. At no point did I say my theory had sovereignty over any other or that the other people were just wrong. It was never my intention to come and argue over whose theory is right. As can be shown from my posts, my talk about Lelouch resulted as a response to someone else talking about the new manga and his possible role in it; I have made every attempt to remain on topic. This is not a topic to discuss theories about the end of R2, which is why I have avoided delving into my evidence for thinking what I think. I've only responded to these people that refer to my post as trolling simply because they don't like my opinion.

If this where the appropriate topic, then arguing over theories would be acceptable. But this is not the place for it, and as I said before I'm not going to keep arguing with people that can't accept the opinions of others. That being said, I would be interested in reading your theory Arbitres. Because as you said, we should appreciate the fandom and the different ideas everyone has to offer.

[MainCharacter]

So about that new Code Geass anime.

We are getting new info in the next NewType, right? When is that?

[konart]

So about that new Code Geass anime.

We are getting new info in the next NewType, right? When is that?

In two weeks

[Arbitres]

Moderators Note: Purpose of this thread is to discuss about your expectation, speculation, and to add to any new information the fans come to find out. Everyone also needs to keep in mind that at no point can anyone cross the personal territories in any manner where another poster will be made uncomfortable by a comment.

You are free to theorize and speculate accordingly. If something requires explanation, explain it. However for now on I think you should spoiler tag it. That way it is a compromise - you may theorize and speculate as you so desire, and people won't necessary have to 'put up with' the speculative nature of the spoiler tags you present.

It's the best way to maintain civility, or in my point of view anyways. Feel entirely free to oppose it.

Edit: Excellent Konart. Thank you.

[Revolutionist]

I am going to wait until there are some translations to formulate any sort of theory, and tbqh I am more interested in the anime than the manga since I'm not really into manga. That said, I am keeping an open mind because in a sci fi world with superhuman powers, mechas, immortal beings and just plain weird shit anything is possible. Besides, time travel has a basis in real physics, it wouldn't be out of this world OMG unbelievable if Lelouch survived via Charles' code (this is most plausible one isn't it?) and then traveled in time. But the question here is why and what is the point? Right now I'm going with look-alikes put in to draw fans of the anime to the manga. If this is the case then Gino must have been huge with the fans, no?

And guys please, have a little more respect for other people and their opinions. None of you work for Sunrise nor do you have any say on Geass related materiel. No opinion is more valid than another and raging over the internet is not going to make the other person view things your way, in fact they're going to be even less inclined to listen to you.

[Kittenlady]

I don't think the 'Lelouch got a Code' theory is that far-fetched. Why not? Hardly makes any difference either way. Time-travel, on the other hand, wtf? Where did that even come from?

[Revolutionist]

(Obviously.) Nope, none other. And my bet is on that he's an ancestor if anything, although the heavy allusions to Dante's works involving the afterlife in both LotR and Renya thus far do have me a bit curious.

There was one teaser a while back that placed Lelouch (the literal Lelouch) right next to Renya and implied that he had something to do with Renya's time period, but that's really vague.

That teaser opens up the door to speculation, and everything is fair game. The look-alike could be just that a look-alike completely unrelated to Lelouch, and as I mentioned earlier that is exactly what I think of this character. However, it doesn't mean that we are right because we don't know yet. Shinobi's theory could be right (at least I think that's who brought up that which causes this forum to get their panties in a bunch)

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Shinobi's theory could be right (at least I think that's who brought up that which causes this forum to get their panties in a bunch)

The Code stuff? We just established that time travel/ reincarnation and Geass Witchery are not even mildly related and wouldn't have anything to do with Lelouch-look-alike's appearance even if it was a valid theory. :uhoh:

Didn't we just establish that?

Like three times?

However I can certainly entertain the notion that perhaps some supernatural freakout occurred after Lelouch died wherein he was sent back in time in order to pay retribution...or whatever. Or whoever it was that brought up the idea that maybe Lelouch is just 'that one guy' the Collective Consciousness stream always picks to do the dirty jobs throughout history. xD I rather like that theory.

[SonOfHeaven]

I don't think its "Lelouch" from Lelouch of the Rebellion in my opinion. Didn't this "Lelouch" in the manga have geass in his eyes. I don't recall someone having geass and an code in the series. We don't even know if its possible. Just like that Gino look-a-like. Its not Gino from the anime obviously(I don't recall Gino being very popular at least going by those character polls in those japanese anime magazines). I wouldn't be surprised if we see other look-a-like characters in the manga like Rolo for example.

I'm honestly more interested in the new anime than the manga.

[Laurcus]

I think arguing all this code stuff like this is really pointless, we have such little information that no one can actually say how the future will go regardless of anything that happened in the past. How much do we really know about the code? Just little tidbits of information we've seen from the show.

For all we know there's multiple kinds of codes, or effects and side effects that can produce things like time travel and maybe even stranger stuff. We still don't know the specifics of how a code is transfered, or how it was made in the first place, or even how many there are in existence. There is a whole world of possibilities out there. We have no evidence one way or another.

My point is that it does not matter. Anything is possible, but it doesn't mean everything is true. Instead of flaming each other how about we keep this thread to informative posts and valid questions about the new code geass projects? Since once the speculation starts we can't go five minutes without a flame post.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

My point exactly.

[Arbitres]

maybe Lelouch is just 'that one guy' the Collective Consciousness stream always picks to do the dirty jobs throughout history

That certainly tickled me. Very good humor.

"I'll be back!" said the counter guardian, his raven black hair swaying as he vanished beyond the door.

:heh:

[Roloko vi Britannia]

so instead of making an intelligent post you go and flame if you don't like what the other person is saying just ignore it and move on don't create pointless posts just to flame another user/person/whatever etc......


I wouldn't mind seeing a Rolo look-a-like and instead of that clingy personality everyone seems to hate maybe this one can be more evil/sinister like :D

[TrueElements]

Dont mind me.... just putting out the flames...

Adding this below to PG1 soon tell me if i missed anything or what should be added. I've been lazy lately...







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Photos of manga pages can be found here: 1 (http://p.pita.st/?debv5fum) 2 (http://p.pita.st/?9gdwxcim) 3 (http://p.pita.st/?mgdjklvw) 4 (http://p.pita.st/?aiioki0j) 5 (http://p.pita.st/?qogiopq0).

Character list.TRANSLATION BELOW
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登場人物
The Characters

連夜
主人公。　剣術、学問、馬とまるで駄目だが実戦には強い。　特大のクナイをブーメランのように 投げるのが得 意
Renya
Main character. Sucks when it comes to sword-fighting, studying, and horses, but is strong in actual combat. Throwing specialized kunai as boomerangs is his specialty.

カルラ
連夜の仲間。　頭が良いが教え方に問題がある　（刀で取り囲んだ状態で三日三晩休み食事なし等 ）
Karura
Renya’s friend/comrade. Is smart but her methods of teaching are problematic. (To surround a person with swords for three days and nights while they rest and eat and so forth.)

アンジ
連夜の仲間。　連夜を若と呼ぶ。　連夜とは子供の頃からの仲
Anji
Renya’s friend/comrade. Calls Renya a kid (Uncertain). Their friendship goes back to their childhood.

美鈴
連夜の仲間。
Misuzu (Most probable spelling, not definite. Others: Misato, Mirin, Mirei, Meirin)
Renya’s friend/comrade.

(Cannot find kanji.)
連夜の仲間。
Unknown name
Renya’s friend/comrade.

ツワブキ
連夜の仲間。
Tsuwabuki
Renya’s friend/comrade.

師範
連夜たちの師
Instructor (spelled as Shihan)
Renya’s and everyone teacher

皇一心
里を襲撃した敵の大将。　強い敵を見つけると自分の身体に傷を付けてその存在を心に残してから 倒すハードＭ
Emperor Isshin? (Tentative name)
Leader of the enemy which attacked Renya’s village. When he sees a strong enemy and his body gets wounded, he becomes a hard masochist which gives up his rational mind in order to defeat /kill (Uncertain).

一心の軍勢と行動を共にする伴天連（外国人）。　連夜に力を与えるが…。
Foreigners who serves as Isshin’s army, and who seeks to spread Christianity. They give Renya a certain power…

連夜の背後に浮かんだ人物。
A character that appears in Renya’s background (Uncertain, could also means he is behind the scenes or something.)

桜の爆ぜ石
爆発する
Exploding Stone of Cherry Blossoms (In other words, Sakuradite)
Explodes.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Do we have any translation for the page that has the chained girl and Lelouch look-alike in front of the gate to hell?

[White Manju Bun]

Going through the last few pages of this, Ive removed most of the baiting posts. Remember everyone is entitled to their own opinion on what will or will not happen however that does not mean everyone has to agree with you. Any further flaming will result in infractions. Remember this is only an anime.

[Vehegore]

Which trailer? Can I see it?:confused:

[Arbitres]

Ahh, thank you very much Moderator White Manju Bun.

@Zetsubou Bunny: I'd be more then happy to translate it I knew how to translate japanese. Though I thought Eternal Dreamer already did that? I guess not. We probably have to wait since we're so helpless without him :nod: Well... I am anyways. :heh:

[konart]

Can we just stop this endless flood untill next Newtype or untill manga scanlation is out? There is nothing to discuss anyway

[GundamMeisterLockon]

Thanks for the manga scans Mr true elements

Lelouches cape looks good in the cover and that gino look alike also interests me. C.C don't look all that bad either in that sexy leather and also renyas robotic arm is also well cool.

So it looks like that lelouch look aLIKE is the bad guy this time or so it appears. Perhaps he is just doing those evil deeds so he can direct everyones hate on him and then when he dies everyone will stand united haha zero requiem all over again. I wonder if this lelouch look alike is perhaps lelouches ancestor since i believe this manga is set way before code geass the anime. Interesting that his cape has the black knight symbol, perhaps lelouch did some digging into the past of his ancestors to search for that symbol for his black knights.

Any info on what renyas geass power is? if he has any?

[Arbitres]

*Sigh* I was so proud of you too Zetsubou... Oh well. I just wish people could respect the Moderators a little more. They have a hard time running this entire place as is.

@Lockon: I don't think Renya has a geass - or if he did, it would come later. They probably would want to differentiate from how Renya gets his geass - if the scenario is too familiar like Lelouch's then fans may lose interest. Sunrise probably doesn't want that.

As for Lelouch-look-alike... Yes his cape is awesome. I hope they don't pull off a ZR in this... That would seriously ruin it for me. :heh: I actually thought "Mmm.. Maybe he is wanting to rid the world of Sakuradite?" but that is groundless. That is speculative and thus pointless until we have more to go on.

Like Konart said. We can't do anything until the next batch of info/scans arrive. Feel free to keep this up, I'll be staying away from here. :|

[GundamMeisterLockon]

I hope he gets a cool geass power, maybe something to go with his fighting style. Rolos geass was also great when it came to combat since he was able to close the distant on his enemies as well as dodge attacks using it. Another cool geass power was the knight of ones which enabled him to anticipate his opponents moves. A geass power like one of those would be ideal for renya i feel.

But him having no geass power is fine with me too, i like the idea of only the bad guy having the geass power for some reason.

[Eternal Dreamer]

@Zetsubou Bunny: I'd be more then happy to translate it I knew how to translate japanese. Though I thought Eternal Dreamer already did that? I guess not. We probably have to wait since we're so helpless without him :nod: Well... I am anyways. :heh:

Ah, you're making me blush. :heh:

I already posted the translation for that page with Lelouch and the chained girl...Here it is again in case any of you couldn't find it:

人は己が何者なのかを知りたがる
People want to understand what kind of person they are.

知るためには絶対的なる基準が必要だ
To know this, standards that are absolute are necessary.

基準なき判断は存在しない　なら　その基準は誰が作るのか
A judgement without standards does not exist. If that is the case, who decides these standards?

何によって　それらは必要とされるのか
What are they necessary for?

[Arbitres]

Ah-Ha. Thought so. Thank you Eternal Dreamer. Though I'm somehow spiteful for myself; I completely forgot you did that. Gomen. :heh:

[Revolutionist]

wow this manga seems pretty good.

I like Knight C.C, she looks hella sexy in that armor lol

[Kuroshinobu]

I know there may be people who will have opposing views or opinions, but the only way Lelouch could possibly appear in Shikkoku no Renya (assuming he did die at the end of R2) was that he is actually within C.C.'s memories. This would be possible if this happened during the time he was sent there by C.C. to be protected from Charles.

The only problem I see with this theory is that a) he shouldn't have any influence in the memory world at all, and b) it's still just a theory with no evidence.

[Arbitres]

...I wouldn't know what you mean by that Kuro-kun. Please elaborate on what you mean by that theory. I can't really judge outside of the two main problems you highlighted... Even then I think it's good to go in depth about this thing.

I'll be grinning like an idiot if the blonde girl's name ends up being Beatrice. That'll certainly be humorous and iconic.

[Kuroshinobu]

...I wouldn't know what you mean by that Kuro-kun. Please elaborate on what you mean by that theory. I can't really judge outside of the two main problems you highlighted... Even then I think it's good to go in depth about this thing.

I'll be grinning like an idiot if the blonde girl's name ends up being Beatrice. That'll certainly be humorous and iconic.

Sorry what I meant was that if Lelouch does appear in the manga, set way before he was even born, a way I see that it could possibly happen was if he was in C.C. memories. If you remember in R2, C.C. sent him to her memory gallery to get him away from Charles. However; he wasn't able to interact with slave-girl C.C. or have any effect on her memories at all.

[darthfury78]

Sorry what I meant was that if Lelouch does appear in the manga, set way before he was even born, a way I see that it could possibly happen was if he was in C.C. memories. If you remember in R2, C.C. sent him to her memory gallery to get him away from Charles. However; he wasn't able to interact with slave-girl C.C. or have any effect on her memories at all.

Your theories might be true. However, it might be best to wait and see how the new manga develops with the upcoming chapters. Too much speculation at this time.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Has anyone read the new manga yet/ has anything happened in the last week at all or is this stagnant?

[Arbitres]

Stagnant I think. I've been looking for entire scans for the first volume but can't quite find them. Besides if I did find them I wouldn't be able to share them since Code Geass is licensed -- it's against the rules for me to do 'sharing'.

Though I am interested. I want the Code theory proven wrong already so all this wishwash will vanish. It may prove actual but I (recently on another site) have become jaded at this sort of theory. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but... Well, it's aggravating to be certain - but that's only when the shove it down your throat like it's the truth.

I can understand how you feel, Zetsubou. Which is why I want to see the new Manga. I wish I had the ED signal so I could call him to translate stuff. (Loopholes are infinitely superb nowadays.)

[Zetsubou Bunny]

The manga isn't licensed for English yet, is it? Besides that we don't need a scanslation, just someone to tell us what the fuck is going on.

It is proven wrong already. We've been over this. Not to mention it's not feasible regardless in this situation and completely off-topic.

[Rising Dragon]

No, I don't believe its been licensed yet. And if it hasn't been licensed, translated pages can be linked to in a manga discussion thread, but not untranslated raws.

[Gordy Lechance]

Funny about the ironic contrast:

Code Geass Main: A story set in Japan with a Western hero.
Code Geass Spinoff: A story set in Europe with a Japanese Hero.

Just a thought. ;)

[TrueElements]

Woah some people have put waay to much over thought into the appearance of lelouch in this manga.

But the whole C.C memory thing, how could she show renya lelouch if she hasnt met him yet to make the memories. UNLESS your saying your saying shes showing lelouch which would mean he have to be alive which hes not.

[Kuroshinobu]

Woah some people have put waay to much over thought into the appearance of lelouch in this manga.

But the whole C.C memory thing, how could she show renya lelouch if she hasnt met him yet to make the memories. UNLESS your saying your saying shes showing lelouch which would mean he have to be alive which hes not.

If you reread what I had written again, I did not say it would have been post R2. Therefore ruling out any "Lelouch is alive, Code etc etc" arguments. Lelouch could possible be within C.C.'s memories of Edo Japan during the same time he was wandering about her memories as a slave.

[Rising Dragon]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that's hilarious because if Sunrise DID conform to fan theory, and then you "commited zero requiem," you'd still be alive after it! JOKE'S ON YOU!!!

seriously though, what's your problem? i realize that, currently, Lelouch is dead by cannon. but i personally choose to interpret the material a different way; i like the code theory. why do i deserved to be murdered for that? it's no different than how a poem can have different meanings for different people, other than the meaning intended by the author.

also, wasn't nunnally officially listed as dead for a little while after the fleija (spelling?) ? they changed that, they could change lelouch as well

Because A) Lelouch's survival holds no bearing on this thread and is off topic, and B) it is only ever used here as a way to instigate fights.

Feel free to interpret the scene however you wish. Just don't do it here where its not allowed.

Also, that site was run by BIGLOBE, and not Sunrise, so they were not in the know about Nunnally's survival in that particular episode: it was not a change, it was an unwitting error.

[maveric101]

Because A) Lelouch's survival holds no bearing on this thread and is off topic, and B) it is only ever used here as a way to instigate fights.

Feel free to interpret the scene however you wish. Just don't do it here where its not allowed.

Also, that site was run by BIGLOBE, and not Sunrise, so they were not in the know about Nunnally's survival in that particular episode: it was not a change, it was an unwitting error.

A) but that's the thing. the possible theories available can depend on your interpretation of R2's ending, so it does have a bearing on this thread in a way. even so, i'll stay away from that topic from now on, and if i'm unsure about posting something, i'll use spoiler tags.
B) ZB threatens to murder, and you say I'M starting a fight (unless i'm not understanding you)? i never said anything about the theory, just that i like it.

P.S - alright, i stand corrected about the nunnally thing. thanks for setting me straight, i didn't know that.

P.P.S - what are the odds of the Renya manga ever getting fully translated into english?

[Rising Dragon]

A) but that's the thing. the possible theories available can depend on your interpretation of R2's ending, so it does have a bearing on this thread in a way. even so, i'll stay away from that topic from now on, and if i'm unsure about posting something, i'll use spoiler tags.
B) ZB threatens to murder, and you say I'M starting a fight (unless i'm not understanding you)? i never said anything about the theory, just that i like it.

P.S - alright, i stand corrected about the nunnally thing. thanks for setting me straight, i didn't know that.

P.P.S - what are the odds of the Renya manga ever getting fully translated into english?

Considering that the two revealed projects take place both BEFORE, and DURING the first season of the anime, R2 and its ending hold no bearing on the thread at this time.

And no, I'm not saying you're starting a fight, I'm saying the theory is used to start fights here. As for the incident with Zetsubou Bunny, the mods have already come and gone and done their thing, so there's really no point in bringing it back up here.

[maveric101]

And no, I'm not saying you're starting a fight, I'm saying the theory is used to start fights here. As for the incident with Zetsubou Bunny, the mods have already come and gone and done their thing, so there's really no point in bringing it back up here.
alright. done.

[Arbitres]

This has now reached critical level on my nerves; it's seriously grating them. Can't we address the issues properly without antagonizing the other side? Antagonizing is easy but it's hardly ever an easy. We should be just a tad mutual about this. This isn't a shipwar; we CAN be civil.

Zetsubou. Please be more tolerable; gently and kindly goes far - the Code theorists may soften their stance because they aren't being attacked. It's not an automatic trolling if someone has differentiating views from you.

Just because you've dealt with cumbersome and appalling theorists in the past doesn't make them ALL cumbersome and appalling.

By all means attack them if they continue to be 'rampant', but given the chance the theorists can be more polite if aggressions are dropped simultaneously - from BOTH sides. You're side and their side.

If you won't change your mind then simply overlook this thread. I'll volunteer to send you singlepost links to the new information presented.

Or you could go for the 'other' route and continue to alienate the other parties, with the possibility of further infraction.

I am one of the group who believe Lelouch Vi Britannia is dead. But I won't denounce people having their own opinion.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying if something fails the first time try a different approach. It may be the same group, but different people. Give them a chance.

I'm also directing that to all Code Theorists. Don't be antagonistic. At least try and be civil and remain on an appropriate wavelength.

[Lolipopo]

Just one thing. There is no "believe that Lelouch vi Britannia is dead"
There is "Lelouch is dead. It's a fact"

Just something which was bothering me. Meatrose made an awesome post about that a few times ago, and I think it's important to raise it up again. People can't believe in something when there is a proof, they are either denying a fact or they are not informed.

If Bunny is bothered by those crazy theory when it was stated by everyone that Lelouch is dead, it's perfectly fair. Calling her out on that doesn't make sense. People have a right to disagree.

Now about this new project...well, why bother, I don't care about it XD The manga is horrible, and the anime isn't out yet. Just wanna have the 656346354 nail in the coffin about the fact the guy isn't Lelouch cause, ya know, The guy wasn't even dead when this guy was alive. Yeah, he wasn't even born, or even in the making...

[konart]

Now about this new project...well, why bother, I don't care about it XD The manga is horrible, and the anime isn't out yet. Just wanna have the 656346354 nail in the coffin about the fact the guy isn't Lelouch cause, ya know, The guy wasn't even dead when this guy was alive. Yeah, he wasn't even born, or even in the making...

Have you read it already? I can't even find a raw. + it's only one chapter now, how can you say it's horrible?

[KaedeF]

I didn't see anyone posting it. Kinda a trailer for Code Geass GAIDEN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKhoRSILvx8&feature=player_embedded

[konart]

I didn't see anyone posting it. Kinda a trailer for Code Geass GAIDEN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKhoRSILvx8&feature=player_embedded

Kinda old news. Was posted right after DVD from Lulu's BD appeared

[StrikeFreedomV2]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but i can´t find the info i´m looking for. Is it true they announced a third season or some kind of spin-off?

[Rising Dragon]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but i can´t find the info i´m looking for. Is it true they announced a third season or some kind of spin-off?

There's a side-story to the first season in the works. There is not a post-R2 third season in the making.

[darthfury78]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but i can´t find the info i´m looking for. Is it true they announced a third season or some kind of spin-off?

Hi Strike,
This is just my honest opinion that I will provide towards your question. The producers have stated that Code Geass R2 is over. Nothing beyond Season Two will be produced. However, expanding the story around Season One is quite possible. This leads me to believe that the Code Geass saga of 2017 will continue, since the original story for the second season was to continue in the same year before it was scrapped and moved to 2018. It seems that the production staff do not wish to have anything to do with Code Geass R2 at all, as far as continuing the story from that standpoint.

If anything, if anyone wants to see Lelouch alive, the story would have to expand upon the First Season, whose format was quite different from Season Two. Some might say that I am making this crap up. But just look at the things that has been announced so far. I don't believe that the staff liked Season Two very much. Otherwise, there would have been an announcement of a third season that continues from where Code Geass R2 had ended. Obviously, there might be plans to bring back Lelouch. But it would have to be around the First Season where Stage 25 had left off in the year 2017.

[Lost Cause]

@Darth, so are you saying they MIGHT redo R2?

[Rising Dragon]

He's merely saying he doesn't think the staff liked R2. Granted, he'd like them to remake it, but we've been given no hint anything like that shall come to pass.

[jtjr26]

I just saw the info on this new Code Geass project. Is this in the same continuity of the first two series or is this using a "star system" where the characters may look and act similar but are otherwise different? If so I think it would be cool if there was a character like Shirley who was the main villain for the whole series, and a character like Nunnally who was a unstoppable killing machine.

[Rising Dragon]

I just saw the info on this new Code Geass project. Is this in the same continuity of the first two series or is this using a "star system" where the characters may look and act similar but are otherwise different? If so I think it would be cool if there was a character like Shirley who was the main villain for the whole series, and a character like Nunnally who was a unstoppable killing machine.

Akito and Renya are both of the same continuity as the anime. The other mangas (Suzaku, NoN, etc) are all different continuities.

[monir]

Banished a bunch of off-topic posts in the eternal pit and the following was the only off-topic post that was worth keeping:

This has now reached critical level on my nerves; it's seriously grating them. Can't we address the issues properly without antagonizing the other side? Antagonizing is easy but it's hardly ever an easy. We should be just a tad mutual about this. This isn't a shipwar; we CAN be civil.

Zetsubou. Please be more tolerable; gently and kindly goes far - the Code theorists may soften their stance because they aren't being attacked. It's not an automatic trolling if someone has differentiating views from you.

Just because you've dealt with cumbersome and appalling theorists in the past doesn't make them ALL cumbersome and appalling.

By all means attack them if they continue to be 'rampant', but given the chance the theorists can be more polite if aggressions are dropped simultaneously - from BOTH sides. You're side and their side.

If you won't change your mind then simply overlook this thread. I'll volunteer to send you singlepost links to the new information presented.

Or you could go for the 'other' route and continue to alienate the other parties, with the possibility of further infraction.

I am one of the group who believe Lelouch Vi Britannia is dead. But I won't denounce people having their own opinion.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm saying if something fails the first time try a different approach. It may be the same group, but different people. Give them a chance.

I'm also directing that to all Code Theorists. Don't be antagonistic. At least try and be civil and remain on an appropriate wavelength.

Couldn't have said it any better!

We can talk about anything as long as we can relate back to the thread topic at hand and as long as we don't cross the personal boundary. This applies to every thread in this forum. If you are so emotionally invested in a topic to the point you are no longer capable of entertaining any other views without coming across as overbearing (to put it mildly), you need to just come to a full stop. It's time to give yourself a break from the futility. There are still people believe Moon Landing is a hoax. People can believe whatever they want to because every perspective is reached from its own set of reasoning. You can't change those views no matter how right you are if they choose to ignore it.

Anyway, sorry to hold back on the topic. Hopefully, this will be the end of it. Let's get on with the topic.

[TrueElements]

For the love of good people read the first page before posting links and asking questions.

[darthfury78]

@Darth, so are you saying they MIGHT redo R2?

Hi Lost Cause,
It was mentioned in the Newtype magazine(and other sources) that the production of Code Geass R2 was a very difficult and frustrating experience for the staff because they were advised to rewrite the format of the storyline to fit the new time schedule for the Sunday 5PM timeslot. The first season was broadcast at 1 AM in Japan, which was a latenight time schedule. Thus that format was quite different from that of second season. Just compare the first two seasons in terms of the style and tone of the format that was presented. The first season presented a more mature format while the second season presented a format that was slightly geared towards a younger audience. The fanservice was far greater in the second season than in the first season.

Thus, one can only assume what might have been if the staff was allowed to retain their original storyline version for Code Geass R2. While I would love to see them remake Code Geass R2, we'll have to wait and see how things turn out for the outcoming projects. The only hints of a remake is the notion that the new side stories for the anime takes place around 2017 instead of 2018. I do agree with the staff that to continue the story after Code Geass R2 had ended would not make any sense. The ending, in my opinion, should be left the way it is. Although, an alternate storyline with Lelouch of the Rebellion could continue from where Stage 25 of first season had left off. This was the version where Lelouch won the conflict against Suzaku. But, don't take my word for it. Just check out Code Geass: Not as Planned on the Goggle search engines. There is a very large debate about it: Pros and Cons. :heh:

[StrikeFreedomV2]

Thanks, @ RD and darthfury78 for the info.

[Gordy Lechance]

Two major nations/landmasses/political grounds have beentouched on so far.

Namely, Japan and Europe.

Britania itself has only been glimpsed, and we barely got to see the Chinese Federation.

So, after this this project, we still have three virgin-territories for stories in this fascinating alternate-Earth, assuming Sunrise still has fight in them to continue after this:

Chinese Federation (Full story set on it like this new project does with Europe)

Australia (Neutral Ground, RIPE for political play).

Britania proper (One wonders how Lelouch bought a "California Hotdog" in a Tokyo park when Califronia never actually existed in Code Geass.)

Thoughts of the afternoon.

[Eternal Dreamer]

http://yotsuba.imouto.org/data/preview/52/0e/520e472ae8336c2f63b55d5899a38900.jpg (http://moe.imouto.org/post/show/139942/) http://yotsuba.imouto.org/data/preview/4c/e8/4ce86eabc1edfc3f8e2faebb8af49752.jpg (http://moe.imouto.org/post/show/139943/)

These images were released in the latest Newtype. This time it isn't about the new project, unfortunately, but I did manage to get manage to get something relevant from the top-left of the page:

Code Geass GAIDEN: Akito of the Ruined Nation


The next information announcement will be on September 10th. The official website will also open at the same time!


Looks like we're not going to get anymore information this summer, from Newtype at least. We'll have to wait and see if anyone else will be forthcoming on this. In the meantime, we'll just have to see how the new manga turns out. (Any raw scans on that score yet, by the way?)

[maveric101]

I think I've decided that at this point I'd like to see a remake of R2 more than anything. even if they wouldn't make an anime, i'd like to see a book or a manga.

imo the manga's plot sounds more interesting than the akito anime, but i don't know if i'll ever get around to it. i'm not really a manga person.

and three months until any more info? :(

P.S. - i think somebody here said they sent a letter to Taniguchi? if so, what was the address, and did you just leave it in english? thanks in advance.

[Revolutionist]

I would like a continuation of R2. Many things were left unexplained and somehow we're expected to accept their naive vision of the world and just say people were able to accept each other and put their differences aside by blaming everything on Lelouch.

That's like saying one guy was able to change human nature over night. Ridiculous imo. Once the person responsible for the evils is out of the picture we find someone else to blame it on, or we go back to the basics, greed, corruption, discrimination because of ignorance, war and terrorism from greed and corruption...I'd like them to show us a more believable world and kill off some characters as kharmic retribution although this last bit is certainly not believable since in real life the biggest sons of bitches usually go unpunished and bathe in wealth.

[Xander]

I would like to thank Eternal Dreamer once again for that bit of information.

So it's likely that we won't see anything else about Akito before September?

In that case, I suppose we'll have to keep waiting for more details on Renya.

@Revolutionist:

To keep things short, I would say Schneizel's skepticism is meant to represent the fact that the creators aren't unaware of the existence of greed and conflict. Lelouch just countered this with the idea that people will continue to struggle for happiness, which is also another part of human nature, but the question is left intentionally open-ended. Lelouch has faith in the positive impulses of humanity, Schneizel was more cynical. Human nature has two sides, after all, and the debate could go on forever.

Let's not lose focus here. The ending of R2 is almost entirely meant to serve as the end of Lelouch's personal story, which was the core of the plot. It's not the end of the world's history nor of the human conflicts within it. Life will go on.

But whatever happens afterwards would be a completely different chapter of a separate story and, just as well, something that would demand a new project. I'm not interested, personally, at least not without a damn good premise to go along with it.

However, the point of this topic isn't to talk about R2 or its ending for the Nth time and there has been no announcement about any sort of sequel or remake, so there's really nothing to be gained from going too far down this path.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

I would like a continuation of R2. Many things were left unexplained and somehow we're expected to accept their naive vision of the world and just say people were able to accept each other and put their differences aside by blaming everything on Lelouch.

That's like saying one guy was able to change human nature over night. Ridiculous imo. Once the person responsible for the evils is out of the picture we find someone else to blame it on, or we go back to the basics, greed, corruption, discrimination because of ignorance, war and terrorism from greed and corruption...I'd like them to show us a more believable world and kill off some characters as kharmic retribution although this last bit is certainly not believable since in real life the biggest sons of bitches usually go unpunished and bathe in wealth.

So... You want the Code Geass world to have more horrible people for the sake of realism, but then want unrealistic levels of punishment for villainy?

Then it isn't a realistic world that you want, it is just that you want a different fantasy world all together from what Sunrise offered.

[mechalord]

The trailer seems to imply Code Geass: Gaiden will take place in Eastern Europe. I wonder if it expands on CC's backstory and the origin of people like her.

One of the frustrating aspects of R2 is how it flushed the overarching plot element in season 1 and the series away. CC's backstory and general origins were never explored. She's much older than anyone in the series but the only part of her life that seems to be touched upon is that within the emperors lifetime. Even then we don't even get the full story behind her ties to China.

A remake of R2 with a total different story would be cool.

[Arbitres]

An R2 remake would be superb. But alas, no. I doubt it'll happen. Though it may... This is Sunrise.

Actually this takes place during the 'missing year' of Season 1 and Season 2. I think it won't touch on immortals, since this is going to be akin to MS 08th team. But who knows? It's too soon to judge, additionally little is known about it other then it being a project in the making.

Hopefully they will give Akito Gaiden some shine time, too.

[Xander]

For the time being...I don't really expect to see much, if anything, related to C.C. or Geass in the Code Geass Gaiden anime.

The premise doesn't seem to make any kind of reference to Geass and C.C. herself wasn't in Europe at the time.

At most, we may see a previously unknown Geass user who is quickly disposed of...but even that's pushing it.

However, from what little we've seen so far, I would argue that the new manga focused on Renya is perfect for this.

Why? We've already seen some Geass-related ruins and C.C. is already involved, one way or another.

The fact that it takes place in the past provides a good opportunity for dealing with other aspects of C.C.'s background.

I'd say that R2 already gave us her origin, strictly speaking, and I don't think we're ever going to get a complete biography on C.C. or what have you...but filling in some of the blanks sounds like a good idea.

Just don't expect to get the full story since she's not the protagonist...although I'm perfectly fine with that myself, mind you.

[Revolutionist]

So... You want the Code Geass world to have more horrible people for the sake of realism, but then want unrealistic levels of punishment for villainy?

Then it isn't a realistic world that you want, it is just that you want a different fantasy world all together from what Sunrise offered.

Perhaps I didn't word my sentences correctly (English is a 2nd language to me), but what I was trying to convey was that I'd like to see a story that is a direct continuation of the story of some of the characters involved in Lelouch's story. That would be a new world, but not entirely brand new. Now, I do admit that asking for more realism and then asking for karmic retribution for some characters is hypocritical, but I do not think that those two things have to be mutually inclusive. Seeing characters like Villetta and Oughi get what they deserved for all their bs would be the cherry on top of my cheesecake. I'd be willing to accept that even though it is unrealistic and out of place in a realistic CG world just because. And hey, it's not as bad as expecting us to swallow that all the evils of the world died with Lelouch and people just changed, since sometimes in RL bastards do get what's coming to them...

[azul120]

Or Cornelia, for that matter, for instance.

But real life has plenty of Karma Houdinis to go around. Just ask Idl Amin.

I do agree with the idea of a post-CGR2 storyline, since there were flaws and contradictions in Lelouch's final plan, which was ultimately a death wish to begin with. Kodai Okuda's fanfic Dirge of Daedalus sums it up pretty well, not to mention that it in itself would make for a pretty satisfying continuation.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

I do agree with the idea of a post-CGR2 storyline, since there were flaws and contradictions in Lelouch's final plan, which was ultimately a death wish to begin with. Kodai Okuda's fanfic Dirge of Daedalus sums it up pretty well, not to mention that it in itself would make for a pretty satisfying continuation.
From a poetic standpoint, once could claim that the very existence of a sequel where things needs fixing would, in itself, justify Lulu's survival.

A way of the Jupiter Geass-God saying "Don't you die on me, you still got work to do!";)

[Jarmel]

I do agree with the idea of a post-CGR2 storyline, since there were flaws and contradictions in Lelouch's final plan, which was ultimately a death wish to begin with. Kodai Okuda's fanfic Dirge of Daedalus sums it up pretty well, not to mention that it in itself would make for a pretty satisfying continuation.

The main problem with anything past R2 is that there are no great villains left.

[bladeofdarkness]

The main problem with anything past R2 is that there are no great villains left.

sure there is
Zero is left
creating a script where the new "antagonist" discovers the truth behind Z-R and sets out to try and bring suzaku to justice is very easy to create.
suzaku would be the PROTAGINIST, in such a concept, but he would not necessarily be the HERO for it (just as Lelouch was in the final arc)
and the fact that the new antagonist is perfectly willing to use dirty tactics to achive his goal makes them both just as much villains as heroes

you'll have one guy trying to expose the truth and bringing one of histories greatest war criminals to justice (at risk of undoing the peace created by the crime)
and another guy trying to protect the secret of the crime, because he believes the world is a better place while under its illusion (ignoring the horrible things done to achieve it)

a very morally gray conflict, where either side could be viewed as right as well as wrong


From a poetic standpoint, once could claim that the very existence of a sequel where things needs fixing would, in itself, justify Lulu's survival.

actually, a sequel in which Lelouch's plan backfired and created the very thing that risks to undo it, is perfectly in line with Lelouch's character
he doesn't need to be alive, only his actions need to effect the plot
and since Z-R's effects would last for years, you've got that covered

[Gordy Lechance]

...he doesn't need to be alive, only his actions need to effect the plot...

Darned right!! If Jigsaw can be dead for 4 movies and STILL affect the plot of the Saw series, so can Baby-Lulu for his franchise. :D

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

actually, a sequel in which Lelouch's plan backfired and created the very thing that risks to undo it, is perfectly in line with Lelouch's character
he doesn't need to be alive, only his actions need to effect the plot
and since Z-R's effects would last for years, you've got that covered

Lulu has a strong incentive to be alive because, let's face it, his very character was what the entire TV series was built upon. CC, Suzaku, Kallen and all the others are there to bounce personalities off him. Unless the main character in the Europe side-story become just as popular as Lulu, Lulu would have to physically be around in some way for a recognisable sequel.

[Gordy Lechance]

For all we know, C2 may have a refrigerated hall in which she keeps taxidermally preserved remains of all her past "toy-boys", including poor Mao.

No doubt wearing a mink coat to keep warm when she visits them, and that's when Baby-Lulu might cameo. :heh:

[bladeofdarkness]

Lulu has a strong incentive to be alive because, let's face it, his very character was what the entire TV series was built upon. CC, Suzaku, Kallen and all the others are there to bounce personalities off him. Unless the main character in the Europe side-story become just as popular as Lulu, Lulu would have to physically be around in some way for a recognisable sequel.

the fact that the entire show was built around Lulu is part of the BAD things about it
it prevented proper development for other characters and storylines, and not just minor ones.
Suzaku's connection to geass
C.C's actual past beyond getting geass
Kallen's brother and her britannian side
all plotlines that were tossed aside to make more room for Lulu's amazing angst show
season 1 at least gave enough screentime to Suzaku to make him a second lead, but in season 2 even he was reduced in regard to his part in the plot

a new season absent Lelouch's presence, would be able to take already pre-established characters and universe, and develop them better, while using Lelouch's character and his actions as the jump off point for the new plot

[Revolutionist]

Well, if Lelouch were to be brought back, there would be ways to do that. For example, make a male clone of Nunnaly that way Lelouch 2.0 is still a product of Marianne x Charles, or alternatively clone Charles and then download Lelouch's conciousness from C's world into the body and boom, you got new, taller, stronger, handsomer Lelouch. However, I think focusing on a new character would be way better than going back to LL. A guy who's willing to use dirty tactics and kill as many people as it takes to expose the greatest crime/lie in CG history would make for some entertainment. A Schneizel/Xingke hybrid could work IMO.

[azul120]

I'd say it's been handled pretty well in Dirge of Daedalus and its followup, Chronicles of Tartarus (soon to be followed by the Alpha and the Omega). Lelouch is brought back to life, develops as a person (something he ultimately got screwed out of by the end of R2) and it's all done in such a way that he isn't the Spotlight Stealing Squad.

[darthfury78]

I think I've decided that at this point I'd like to see a remake of R2 more than anything. even if they wouldn't make an anime, i'd like to see a book or a manga.

imo the manga's plot sounds more interesting than the akito anime, but i don't know if i'll ever get around to it. i'm not really a manga person.

and three months until any more info? :(

P.S. - i think somebody here said they sent a letter to Taniguchi? if so, what was the address, and did you just leave it in english? thanks in advance.

Hi Maveric101,
I was the one who wrote to Taniguchi regarding the idea of continuing his ideas for Code Geass as a manga. I mentioned that the best way to properly lay out his ideas was to write a manga because it would give him the opportunity to control the story as opposed to an animation production schedule. It gives him unrestricted opportunities to take risks without answering to anyone.

As for the Address to Sunrise, I'll PM the the information.

And I am in favor of a Code Geass R2 remake that would continue the story in 2017 instead of 2018. Although, who knows what will happen? Only time will tell.

Well, if Lelouch were to be brought back, there would be ways to do that. For example, make a male clone of Nunnaly that way Lelouch 2.0 is still a product of Marianne x Charles, or alternatively clone Charles and then download Lelouch's conciousness from C's world into the body and boom, you got new, taller, stronger, handsomer Lelouch. However, I think focusing on a new character would be way better than going back to LL. A guy who's willing to use dirty tactics and kill as many people as it takes to expose the greatest crime/lie in CG history would make for some entertainment. A Schneizel/Xingke hybrid could work IMO.

Personally,
I don't think that anyone will want to continue the story from where the second season had ended. Whether in the future or concurrently. Besides, Lelouch is probably an immotal because it's possible that he might have unknowingly obtained Charles "Code. Thus, it's for the best if the ending for Code Geass R2 remain as is. If we want to see Lelouch returns, it would have to be from the end of the first season had left offas an alternate storyline.

[Chupps]

For the time being...I don't really expect to see much, if anything, related to C.C. or Geass in the Code Geass Gaiden anime.

The premise doesn't seem to make any kind of reference to Geass and C.C. herself wasn't in Europe at the time.

At most, we may see a previously unknown Geass user who is quickly disposed of...but even that's pushing it.

However, from what little we've seen so far, I would argue that the new manga focused on Renya is perfect for this.

Why? We've already seen some Geass-related ruins and C.C. is already involved, one way or another.

The fact that it takes place in the past provides a good opportunity for dealing with other aspects of C.C.'s background.

I'd say that R2 already gave us her origin, strictly speaking, and I don't think we're ever going to get a complete biography on C.C. or what have you...but filling in some of the blanks sounds like a good idea.

Just don't expect to get the full story since she's not the protagonist...although I'm perfectly fine with that myself, mind you.


Hmm i wonder if the new Manga and Gaiden (which shouldn't feature Lelouch, C.C or the BK's) is paving a way for a legitimate continuation from R2. I say legitimate because how things stand now, with what information we've been given, it could only be through some unbelievable nonsense that the story continue. Better they create some interesting history for us to understand whatever future (if any) they decide to conjure.

Geass seemed to be pretty widespread, wouldn't surprise me if there were other Geass users & immortals (unsure because C.C & V.V seemed to show how immortals have a connection) who didn't (certainly not at the same time as Lelouch) choose to go so far as to change the world. I doubt Charles had a complete fix on something so mystical.

[D-KLAC]

good KLAC-alimghty how much more of this "Abomination" series got why don't just i don't know RESTART/REBOOT it all.

but in a way to make sure none of those "events" happen to save this series really after all these times i've still NOT like the series is just an Abomination to watch.

[Arbitres]

Now now D-KLAC. I know it's hard but you should really not poke fun at other series like that. That only makes way for it to be returned, thusly a circle of never ending flames from there on. It's not kind to be like that.

I doubt this but has any new information been released? The wait is only anxious so things can be brought to light and certain things being settled once and for all.

[D-KLAC]

Now now D-KLAC. I know it's hard but you should really not poke fun at other series like that. That only makes way for it to be returned, thusly a circle of never ending flames from there on. It's not kind to be like that.

I doubt this but has any new information been released? The wait is only anxious so things can be brought to light and certain things being settled once and for all.

"poke fun" yea right besides it's just i still got "issues" on it give i'm wanting the new series to be the one to "SAVE" or yet RESTART/REBOOT it to prevent those "happenings" really i'm NOT ok with it.

[Chupps]

"poke fun" yea right besides it's just i still got "issues" on it give i'm wanting the new series to be the one to "SAVE" or yet RESTART/REBOOT it to prevent those "happenings" really i'm NOT ok with it.

Uhm, your wording is weird, do you support the new project to hopefully spark a continuation of the series because you hate the thought of creating a 'happening' out of nowhere to start a new one?

[Rising Dragon]

I suggest ignoring him. D-KLAC has a history of trolling these forums and ignoring all requests to properly clarify his posts.

[Chupps]

Noted :eek:

[D-KLAC]

Uhm, your wording is weird, do you support the new project to hopefully spark a continuation of the series because you hate the thought of creating a 'happening' out of nowhere to start a new one?

really don't like this Abomination/CANCER/GARBAGE/DISEASE called geass from let see

1.the LIES really how much are there?

2.the "victims" really how many lives were lost include innocient such as euphie & shirley.

3.hiding the truth really how much more truth to hides?

4.too many WTFH twists etc really too confuse.

5.is "he" alive oh come i know that sword is a trick & othere knew about "it"

overall i got many more reasons but like i a said i HATE geass & only way i ok on it IF they RESTART/REBOOT it or yet new story with time travel to really "SAVE" it.

yea in terms i wanted next geass project be either time travel or a RESTART/REBOOT to prevent those "events" to happen & SAVE it.

[Chupps]

Oh, i think then i gave you too much credit when i was confused.
Uhm, to put it short and sweetly i think the problems you have with CG stem from your inability to follow a 'complex' plot. Which isn't a bad thing, not everyone can (or the movie industry would put more focus into those and not action sequels with half baked stories & mediocre directing/acting).

I laughed at the suggestion of time travel introduced into CG :heh:, that really would be diabolical. Time travel in anything to me seems pretty self destructive.
:thinker:
Now i feel like i've wasted a few lines & my time, the perfect answer/solution for you is: "Read/Watch something else if you don't like it":dots:

[monir]

Oh, i think then i gave you too much credit when i was confused.
Uhm, to put it short and sweetly i think the problems you have with CG stem from your inability to follow a 'complex' plot. Which isn't a bad thing, not everyone can (or the movie industry would put more focus into those and not action sequels with half baked stories & mediocre directing/acting).

I'm sorry to interject, but when exactly did CG have a "complex" plot? :eek: Your response above assumes so much. I also hope Code Geass isn't the only anime you've watched.

*flees before the hordes of CG-fans gets the wind of this outburst.*

[bladeofdarkness]

*sniffs the air and gets wind of outburst*

while i do agree that the plot isn't all that complex, what it IS, is badly paced and under developed at times.
especially in the LAST two arcs

[Chupps]

I'm sorry to interject, but when exactly did CG have a "complex" plot? :eek: Your response above assumes so much. I also hope Code Geass isn't the only anime you've watched.

*flees before the hordes of CG-fans gets the wind of this outburst.*

Note the apostrophes and what i was hinting towards :dots:

[Xander]

Complexity is relative...and it's not always an inherently good thing either. In other words, simplicity can also be a virtue.

I would say most of Code Geass is just about as complex (and, looking at the other side of the same coin, convoluted) as your average Gundam series, give or take a couple of exceptions, and leave it at that. There's really no need to make a bigger deal about it. Execution or presentation flaws are an entirely different matter.

To bring this back on topic, at least slightly...one of the reasons why I'm assuming -and hoping- Code Geass Gaiden won't deal with Geass itself or any significant related issues is that there would probably be a potential benefit from focusing on less subjects at any given time, in terms of both plot and production concerns.

[D-KLAC]

oh come on do you any regrets or 2nd thought of really NOT like what they did really is just so NOT RIGHT in any ways.

really it's like a total DISASTER really so many "victims" & "events" that should NOT happen.

is is truely a reason why i'm asking this to be RESTART/REBOOT or even yet do a time travel?

for yet to prevent those "happening" & SAVE it.

[Cephei Mordred]

This is what I see happening in the new series:

A cameo by Charles and Marianne.

Not expys either, but the actual characters, because it'll probably be revealed that C's World transcends linear time or some bullshit like that.

[Xander]

Considering Charles should be alive and in perfect health during the time of the new anime project, I don't think that will be much of a concern. :heh:

Once again, I would expect to find more Geass-related or supernatural trickery in the manga, which seems likely given what little we've seen of it so far.

[Eternal Dreamer]

Umm, I know this is very sudden, but...I've managed to get a hold of the RAWs for the first chapter of "Shikkoku no Renya". (I was tired of waiting for the bloody thing, so I ordered the magazine over the Internet and finally got it today.) Unfortunately, because of the crack-down on RAWs of manga that's been happening over the Internet recently (mangahelpers. com is a good example of that), I don't really have anywhere to send these, and I'm not able to translate it myself. (I don't know why, but my translations of text in manga always turn out very...iffy, to say the least.) So I've decided to just post this first and ask if anyone of you guys know any good translator/scanlators out there who would be able to put these RAW scans to good use. Otherwise, I'll just try and look for someone myself.

[konart]

Umm, I know this is very sudden, but...I've managed to get a hold of the RAWs for the first chapter of "Shikkoku no Renya". (I was tired of waiting for the bloody thing, so I ordered the magazine over the Internet and finally got it today.) Unfortunately, because of the crack-down on RAWs of manga that's been happening over the Internet recently (mangahelpers. com is a good example of that), I don't really have anywhere to send these, and I'm not able to translate it myself. (I don't know why, but my translations of text in manga always turn out very...iffy, to say the least.) So I've decided to just post this first and ask if anyone of you guys know any good translator/scanlators out there who would be able to put these RAW scans to good use. Otherwise, I'll just try and look for someone myself.

CXC Scans (http://cxcblog.wordpress.com/) maybe? They were scanlating about half of chapters of NoN

[Eternal Dreamer]

Thanks for the advice, Konart, but I've already been contacted by someone interested in scanlating it, so it's all good now. Considering there's 52 pages in the first chapter, it shouldn't be TOO long before it comes out. (At least we know that it's definitely going to get done now.)

[Chupps]

Sweet news, let us know when it's done. I'm eager to read it.

[levithian]

Thanks in advance Eternal Dreamer, I am waiting for the chapter.

by the way is this scan new or old ?
I think it is new, please if you can find any new information in it.

http://basementotaku.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Code-Geass-Relaunch-Scan.jpg

[konart]

Thanks in advance Eternal Dreamer, I am waiting for the chapter.

by the way is this scan new or old ?
I think it is new, please if you can find any new information in it.

http://basementotaku.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Code-Geass-Relaunch-Scan.jpg

Old one. One of the first of scans dedicated to new manga

[Cephei Mordred]

Thing is, will the manga be considered canon? I was under the impression that the manga for Code Geass wasn't canon compared to the anime.

[Rising Dragon]

The official stance of Sunrise is that anything that is animated is canon, anything that isn't is not. Ultimately, no one gives a shit about Sunrise's stance on things except Sunrise.

Taniguchi, however, says that the Renya manga is canon to the LotR anime universe.

[Eternal Dreamer]

Thing is, will the manga be considered canon? I was under the impression that the manga for Code Geass wasn't canon compared to the anime.

That was true for the previous manga, like Nightmare of Nunnally and Suzaku of the Counterattack. However, this new one, Shikkoku no Renya or Jet-Black Renya, has been clearly stated by Taniguchi and Takuma to be within Code Geass' official history, so it will be canon.

[konart]

http://mangahelpers.com/t/shadowskill/releases/23163

Renya's 1st chapter translation

[Kurosu]

I don't think I'm allowed to post links to scanlation sites, so I'll just announced that chapter 1 has been released by CXC Scans, thanks to Eternal Dreamer to providing me the raws.

[yvj]

I don't think I'm allowed to post links to scanlation sites, so I'll just announced that chapter 1 has been released by CXC Scans, thanks to Eternal Dreamer to providing me the raws.

Is it any good?

[morbosfist]

Have to give it more than a chapter to judge that, but it's definitely more shonen than the anime.

[Chupps]

I don't think I'm allowed to post links to scanlation sites, so I'll just announced that chapter 1 has been released by CXC Scans, thanks to Eternal Dreamer to providing me the raws.

Thanks
Thought it was a decent opening, the twist at the end was intriguing, at first i thought - oh here we go again, mysterious woman pops up and gives protagonist power - then something new to the whole Geass contracting appears and the dude resembling Lelouch seems to be at the heart of it.

[KrimzonStriker]

Read the latest chapter for the new manga. It was... interesting. Will need more to go on before I can make any judgements but it's off to an intriguing start anyway.

[TrueElements]

The man with the geass in both eyes just screams "I'm a badass"

But yes Im curious what power of the kings he shall get, let alone any.

And didn't know you could fail...

[Kaioshin Sama]

Man is this really still all people talk about on this forum? How is this shit still going after 3 years? What's wrong with you people? So much drama........so many questions.

In all honestly though I remember dissecting the shit out of this show a few years ago and can't for the life of me remember why I bothered. It's so much less work when you just watch the damn show.

[Ten-Go]

It's going wellthanks. New CG project launched, you know... =)

[Chupps]

Man is this really still all people talk about on this forum? How is this shit still going after 3 years? What's wrong with you people? So much drama........so many questions.

In all honestly though I remember dissecting the shit out of this show a few years ago and can't for the life of me remember why I bothered. It's so much less work when you just watch the damn show.

Well... The new canon manga has begun and an anime season will start this year as well. So there's actually much to talk about right now.

[bladeofdarkness]

What Blade said. It'll take several chapters or even several volumes to get the feel for several things.

when did i say that :heh:

[Arbitres]

when did i say that

You said it would take more then one chapter to decide whether or not it's good. I was simply putting my own perception on it since I largely agreed with it.

[bladeofdarkness]

You said it would take more then one chapter to decide whether or not it's good. I was simply putting my own perception on it since I largely agreed with it.

was I the one who said that ?
look again :heh:

[SonOfHeaven]

Just read the chapter. Wasn't that impressed by it. Hopefully it gets better in the upcoming chapters.

[Bonzo]

For now seems suzaku/renya will have the rule Lelouch had in the anime.

[Chupps]

For now seems suzaku/renya will have the rule Lelouch had in the anime.

What rule is that?

[Bonzo]

What rule is that?

He take a sort of "geass" and become a avenger.

But like always, the last pages are very confused in the meaning.

[Laurcus]

What rule is that?

I think he meant role.

[Chupps]

He take a sort of "geass" and become a avenger.

But like always, the last pages are very confused in the meaning.

Oh He didn't receive Geass though, C.C said he 'failed'. Seemed to suggest he failed to meet the conditions to receive Geass possibly because of that Lelouch look-alike with a fully evolved Geass. It's interesting because it's the first we've heard of a 'failure' in the Geass process.

I think he meant role.

Mm, makes more sense that way

[GundamFan0083]

Man is this really still all people talk about on this forum? How is this shit still going after 3 years? What's wrong with you people? So much drama........so many questions.

In all honestly though I remember dissecting the shit out of this show a few years ago and can't for the life of me remember why I bothered. It's so much less work when you just watch the damn show.

Why are we talking about it??? :twitch:
Maybe because we all really like the show.
People are still talking about Macross (http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/_main_menu.htm), Gundam (here on these very boards), and even Robotech (http://www.robotech.com/) which ended what...like 26 years ago.
I'd say the fact that we are all still praising, fussing, pissing and moaning, and debating the finer aspects of Code Geass is a testament to how well done the show is and no doubt 26 years from now (if we're still here) we'll all still be bitching about it. :D

Now, about the new manga.
I read the first installment last night (thank you Eternal Dreamer for the CXC scans.

Blade is of course correct (don't let it go to your head :p ) and it is far too soon to judge this new manga.
I'll wait until the whole series is complete before I give my opinion.
However, it looks good thus far so I anxiously await the next episode.

[morbosfist]

when did i say that :heh:Apparently a few posts ago. :D

[Nvis]

Man is this really still all people talk about on this forum? How is this shit still going after 3 years? What's wrong with you people? So much drama........so many questions.

In all honestly though I remember dissecting the shit out of this show a few years ago and can't for the life of me remember why I bothered. It's so much less work when you just watch the damn show.

You get a F.:heh:

[Arbitres]

Ah-ha. Look at that. I guess it was Morbos that said it.

Blade, my apologies. You and Morbos just right in such a mature manner I didn't notice.

...Gomen for that.

You get a F

Now, now... Code Geass can be a hit or miss for anybody. Personally... I watch it for Guren. Oh, and Guren / Lancelot battle(s).


...No really, I'm sorry blade.

[yvj]

Just read the chapter. Wasn't that impressed by it. Hopefully it gets better in the upcoming chapters.

Ditto

First chapter seemed.....vanilla/generic. But I suppose I'll give it another chance but only because of the brand name.

[TrueElements]

LOL fuck people give them past the 1st chapter to give up on it.

[Eternal Dreamer]

I personally found the first chapter to be quite interesting. It raised a lot of questions and mysteries (especially at the end with the "fail"), which I think is a plus for the first chapter of a new manga. One thing's for sure, it certainly makes you want to see the next chapter, at least so that that ending can be cleared up.

I'll admit, though, that this new manga definitely seems more "shounen" than LoR. But in my opinion, that's fine, and in a way, it fits. This time the main character isn't some ubber-genius with plans of taking over the world (definitely unique in that category, LoR), but rather a more typical shounen-ish, rough kid who speaks better with his fists than his mouth. (Though that's just my first impression; things might turn out differently as the series continues.) Obviously the plot won't follow the same pace and atmosphere as the original, but I don't really mind that myself. As long as the story's interesting (and goes more into detail about the mysteries about Geass and C.C., of course), I look forward to keep reading it. (Though some people may disagree with me on that, and for good reasons, as well. :heh: )

[Arbitres]

LOL fuck people give them past the 1st chapter to give up on it.

It's up to the person. If they want to give up after reading the first chapter - that's their problem. Long as they don't force their views on anyone else... I imagine everything just being peachy.

I'll get around to reading it. With the reviews from everyone, I can imagine it starting out interesting.

[Laurcus]

I personally liked the first chapter, though I eat up anything Geass related.

[Sol Falling]

lol. So, like, is Suzaku the main character this time or something? :P I haven't really been following this project, so all I know is that Lelouch and C.C. lookalikes are appearing, but Renya resembles Suzaku enough that I'd hope he is an analogue as well. If so, this series gets an automatic and premature 'awesome' rating from me.

Renya aside, the plot itself was also decently interesting. I like how it both paralleled and diverged from the anime's first episode. One random thought that struck me which might be totally off, but did Renya note that the attackers who raided the village were 'Portugese Jesuits'? Given the similarity of their armour to the outfit that Reifu C.C. showed up in, I'm feeling hints of a pseudo-Christian/religious background for Geass like Nightmare of Nunally had with the "Eden Vital" etc.

I'm pretty interested in seeing more of this.

[morbosfist]

Renya might as well be the Suzaku analogue from what little we've been shown of him, while "Lelouch" would appear to be the antagonist. There might be other cast similarities of note (probably a little Tohdoh in the instructor), but none of the other main cast yet.

[Bonzo]

In the manga cover, there's Gino.

[Chupps]

When is Chapter 2 due?