Bakemonogatari - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Pellissier

2010-02-23, 07:13

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Pellissier

2010-02-23, 07:15

Episode currently airing (web stream), albeit region locked.

http://www.bakemonogatari.com/strm/index.html

omimon

2010-02-23, 07:23

I tried to watch it with a proxy site but guess what, it's soooo pack nothing is playing.

prnoct90

2010-02-23, 07:53

really? im in japan and its working fine.

konart

2010-02-23, 07:56

really? im in japan and its working fine.

lol, but of course. You ARE in japan

Daniel Lind

2010-02-23, 07:58

koishikute~ itoshikute~ ♪
Now Loading...
!!!
three minutes pass
*sigh*

omimon

2010-02-23, 08:01

koishikute~ itoshikute~ ♪
Now Loading...
!!!
three minutes pass
*sigh*

Getting trolled is fun isn't it.

neshru

2010-02-23, 08:06

really? im in japan and its working fine.
too bad this forum doesn't have a facepalm icon...

Lummie

2010-02-23, 08:14

"We're sorry. Our current service is not avaible in your country"

http://i47.tinypic.com/2rrs8zl.gif

zato_1one

2010-02-23, 08:39

really? im in japan and its working fine.

For the sake of humanity, you must rip and post it on youtube or torrent it.

This way, the poor souls who live outside Japan can finally rest in peace. :heh:

Some teasers ;)

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9819/a89159850.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2613/a89159944.jpg

Crimson7

2010-02-23, 09:36

For the sake of humanity, you must rip and post it on youtube or torrent it.

This way, the poor souls who live outside Japan can finally rest in peace. :heh:

Some teasers ;)

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9819/a89159850.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2613/a89159944.jpg

HNNNNNNGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!
Somebody rip the episode please!

I've been listening to the OP for a while now and I really like it. Doing this just builds my anticipation really. Hope the ep spreads the net soon.

Clarste

2010-02-23, 09:47

I can only assume that some intrepid soul is ripping or uploading it as we speak.

Tubby

2010-02-23, 09:49

I can only assume that some intrepid soul is ripping or uploading it as we speak.

and subbing :confused:

Daniel Lind

2010-02-23, 09:58

Raw is out apparently.

Sinestra

2010-02-23, 10:31

Omg i think i just developed some type of anxiety just waiting for episode 14. Im going to go nuts till i see it. cant even focus at work today lol.

Daniel Lind

2010-02-23, 10:35

Simply awesome.
That's it.
The wait was worth it.

OP, well, yes, that was unexpected. I though of something awesomely fast-paced and playing on Hanekawa's duality when I heard the 15sec trailer, and what did I get?
A rotoscoped cat, a very awkward cosplay and an animated railways map over a girl's naked body! Tsubasa's breasts should be bigger anyway! Damn.
But yeah, the song is great.

sirn

2010-02-23, 10:37

konart

2010-02-23, 10:40

tongue-twister part was pure epic

writing down and learning for the sake of tsundere service

pseudonhym

2010-02-23, 10:43

ahhh can't WAIT for the subs!!!

Ice Block

2010-02-23, 11:01

So, I only got about 5% of the dialogue, but still...

Tsundere Servi~ce

:heh::heh::heh:

d-one

2010-02-23, 11:10

That tongue-twister really makes my day :heh:

Forever

2010-02-23, 11:14

Clarste

2010-02-23, 11:16

"Oshino, I've got a question I want to ask you..."
"What a coincidence, I've got a question I want you to ask me, Araragi-kun."

I also liked the unexpected follow-up to the radio show jokes from last episodes. Unfortunately, I didn't get most of the conversation about the oddities.

Daniel Lind

2010-02-23, 12:05

About opening again...
I remembered
http://www.mistakesofyouth.com/moy_comics/164/index.jpg
Joke is on you, Mistakes Of Youth!

neshru

2010-02-23, 12:52

Also, it seems the animation for this episode was mostly done by Studio Blanc (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=8087); now I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they have been doing episode 15 in-house, alongside with episode 14…
Not that episode 14 looked bad, though. It looked pretty good in fact, though it didn't have any crazy looking action scene.

sirn

2010-02-23, 12:58

Not that episode 14 looked bad, though. It looked pretty good in fact, though it didn't have any crazy looking action scene.

Nah, what I meant was "so they won't postpone Vol.6 and we don't have to wait three more months for episode 15".

Kunagisa

2010-02-23, 15:02

Overall a good episode. I wish they could stretch the telephone scene a bit more, but considering the scene has been shorten so they don't have to rush the story in episode 15, it was fine for me. I like Oshino's additional scene, though many novel readers won't agree.

I will disagree with the additional scene then =P. It lessens the impact a lot and weakened his personality overall.

Hrm ... couple of things ...

Freaking Nadeko's just way too moeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (I love how all the comments went nuts at her scene, truly wonderful).
B+dash = lmfao, ero dorei = lmfao, god I love you Kanbaru.
More tsundere service pwease T___TThe cellphone I <3 Hitagi was awesome.
Massive props to Yui Horie for the tongue twister.
Freaking Araragi's the slowest guy there is.

The OP… well, at least the song is good. :heh:

This is possibility the nicest way to put it /facepalm.

OH WELL OVERALL GOOD EPISODE, though the pacing at the 2nd part is pretty decent and the moving sceneries made it easier on the eyes.

NOW TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT EPISODE WITH THE MOST ANTICIPATED SCENE HAHAHA.

HITAGI IS THE BEST~!!!!!!!!!!!

/end and back to work, @__@

Raiga

2010-02-23, 15:04

The interaction between the characters never gets old. Always snappy and clever. And of course Tsundere Service made my day. XD And the tongue twister. I might have to just put that scene on loop.

So... shall Shinobu be found? Or shall Araragi come up with a different way to relieve Hanekawa's stress for good? Or both? Can't wait!

Daniel E.

2010-02-23, 15:38

Even though I can stand it for months, it is the wait at the very end (when the episode is already out) the one that gets to me the most. :eyespin: :heh: :eyespin:

Magin

2010-02-23, 15:45

Goddammit, I hope I only have to wait a few more days for subs (sadly, my Japanese is that of a toddler and I don't want to have to download a huge file twice...). Thankfully, I have a ton of patience, because I've needed it for this series...

Kanon

2010-02-23, 16:29

I had planned to wait for the subs, but after seeing the two pics of Nadeko I couldn't wait any longer ! Oh god it should be a crime to THIS MOE HNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG

That said, Hanyakawa was pretty cute too. I agree the tongue twister was awesome ! KAWAIIIIIIIIIIIII !!

This episode should probably please everyone as all the girls got a few screen time. I'm kind of disappointed with the OP's animation though... if you can even call that animation :heh: (could have taken a cuter girl at least). I love the song though.

omimon

2010-02-23, 17:14

I will disagree with the additional scene then =P. It lessens the impact a lot and weakened his personality overall.

Hrm ... couple of things ...

Freaking Nadeko's just way too moeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (I love how all the comments went nuts at her scene, truly wonderful).
B+dash = lmfao, ero dorei = lmfao, god I love you Kanbaru.
More tsundere service pwease T___TThe cellphone I <3 Hitagi was awesome.
Massive props to Yui Horie for the tongue twister.
Freaking Araragi's the slowest guy there is.

This is possibility the nicest way to put it /facepalm.

OH WELL OVERALL GOOD EPISODE, though the pacing at the 2nd part is pretty decent and the moving sceneries made it easier on the eyes.

NOW TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT EPISODE WITH THE MOST ANTICIPATED SCENE HAHAHA.

HITAGI IS THE BEST~!!!!!!!!!!!

/end and back to work, @__@

Yea, I guess Shaft didn't want Oshino to be seen as.....immature? Well, there is no point in crying over spilled milk, at least he didn't say it out loud.

X10A_Freedom

2010-02-23, 19:08

Good stuff, Hanazawa Kana really shines as Nadeko.

fish eric

2010-02-23, 19:54

Which scene with Oshino is extra?

Azuma Denton

2010-02-23, 21:18

Hitagi~san !!!
Moar TSUNDERE SERVICE !!!

Ah, eps 14 really quench all my thirst after waiting for months...

Thumbs up for Yui Horie after that nya nya nya tongue twister...

Now sit patiently for subs and eps 15...

Marion

2010-02-23, 23:20

Seriously can't believe this episode FINALLY aired. Now we'll probably have to wait half a year for the conclusion episode :heh:

zato_1one

2010-02-24, 00:02

Seriously can't believe this episode FINALLY aired. Now we'll probably have to wait half a year for the conclusion episode :heh:

Last BD will sell next month. So, we should have episode 15 within next month. ;)

Azuma Denton

2010-02-24, 00:44

Hmm just realized...
This episode doesnt have flashing text... :heh:

ickem

2010-02-24, 01:09

Hmm just realized...
This episode doesnt have flashing text... :heh:

Well they did have like 3 months to do it;).

I'm kind of ambivalent over the Oshino extra, but I guess it works in it's own way. Seeing the Tsundere Service reminded me just how much I enjoyed the scene when I first read it.

serenade_beta

2010-02-24, 01:24

How many weeks did they have to do this...? Yet the episode is filled with more close-shots and cut-in text than Vampire Bund, it feels... Anyways, the episode didn't feel as well done as it could be done for the amount of time given.
Oh yes, and the OP... Talk about Horror...

The plot... don't really care about after such a long gap, but Shinobu was cute. Yeah. Really feels like the staff just randomly giving fanservice, but guess you need to grab the audience's attention somehow. It works. Eh? Don't look at me, Gon-...

davie

2010-02-24, 06:59

YfRbtCo-Cv0

GEGEWFEWGJIAGJGJAKFEGANEIVEWAFMC

karice67

2010-02-24, 07:38

about that tongue twister...don't tell me most of you haven't listened to the drama cd? The exact same tongue twister is on the last drama track...:heh: (even if the kanji used in the animation is different from the script...eto, more corrections for the DVD?)

I'm surprised that it loaded for me this time though. I remember trying to get episode 13 for days and finally giving up when the raw appeared.

edit: one more thing. This episode will be streamed until 23:59 on March 16th (Japanese time/GMT+9:00, I'm assuming). However, this doesn't necessarily mean that the final episode will be streamed from March 17th. Streaming information for Tsubasa Cat 5 will be announced at a later date.

zato_1one

2010-02-24, 08:55

karice67

2010-02-24, 09:45

ah...good point. (Though it was only a few years ago that I gave in, started listening to stuff I couldn't understand, and had a blast anyway...:heh:) I thought someone would have translated it by now, especially since it actually came with a script... Can't wait to see what the subbers come up with for the tongue twister!

Kudos to Horie Yui though. I wonder how many times she had to practice/record it!

DJLowrider

2010-02-24, 14:49

As I figured, simple reason for Hanekawa's "stress" was simple. The question remains as to its resolution, however. Great episode, though. I eagerly look forward to whenever the final chapter of this story comes out.

Voitan

2010-02-24, 17:16

YfRbtCo-Cv0

GEGEWFEWGJIAGJGJAKFEGANEIVEWAFMC

MMmmmm...

Needs a 10 minute loop.

DJ Trouble

2010-02-24, 21:17

If this isn't subbed sometime tomorrow I'll probably cave in and watch the raw.

Zetsubo

2010-02-24, 21:31

I waited months for this... i will wait a week for the subs if i have to....why ?

1. Because the RAW is out and it means it will get done. So finally SHAFT released it.

2. Because i do not want to ruin the fun... SUBS for me are more fun because my Nihongo is piss poor.

solomon

2010-02-25, 02:13

.....Guys, I gotta admit. I fail to see how you can derive that much excitement with a low comprehsnsion rate.

This show is littered with so much puns and rapid fire gags that I have to watch an ep at least twice to get everything or close to it and I've been studying for 4 years.

Overall not a bad episode, animation was nice. Shinobu still puzzles me in some respects.Still I think most people could have had an idea of why the class rep was stressed out (everyone of course except Koyomi :p).

Marion

2010-02-25, 03:27

Got around to watching the episode. The proportions looked a little odd sometimes (Hitagi's body a bit skinner than her head, Kanbaru's big shoulders) but generally a good episode.

The OP was...well not what I was expecting. My bet is that they blew their budget on the last three episodes, so the OP was mostly...well a slideshow, rather than actual animation for the most part :heh:

Still it looked like Araragi was feeling some exhaustion, so I wonder if Shinobu is in trouble or anything because of that. And even if she does show up next episode to help solve the issue, I doubt Black Hanekawa will just rollover and let Shinobu interfere.

Quick question - can someone explain why Black Hanekawa kept using male pronouns when speaking? Don't tell me the oddity is a male stuck in a female's body :heh:

Also, Araragi sure is dense. It was pretty obvious that Hanekawa had feelings for him for a while now (last episode only reassured it, since she said how vampires could make women fall in love with them easily).

zato_1one

2010-02-25, 04:09

I think that it was because he totally devoted himself for Hitagi. So, it made sense that he didn't have time to think about other girl feeling. :D

omimon

2010-02-25, 04:22

I think that it was because he totally devoted himself for Hitagi. So, it made sense that he didn't have time to think about other girl feeling. :D

Or not, he was oblivious to Hitagi's feelings in the beginning too. Honestly, Araragi should just give up to his vampire powers and destroy humanity with Kiss.

zato_1one

2010-02-25, 04:46

Or not, he was oblivious to Hitagi's feelings in the beginning too. Honestly, Araragi should just give up to his vampire powers and destroy humanity with Kiss.

Judging from his reaction, I think that he did notice when Hitagi approached him in episode 3 but he thought that she did it because Hitagi wanted to return him a favor.

omimon

2010-02-25, 04:49

Judging from his reaction, I think that he did notice when Hitagi approached him in episode 3 but he thought that she did it because Hitagi wanted to return him a favor.

I'm pretty sure he was totally oblivious.

zato_1one

2010-02-25, 04:56

I'm pretty sure he was totally oblivious.

His face turned read so yeah I still convince that he did notice it. ;)

omimon

2010-02-25, 04:57

His face turned read so yeah I still convince that he did notice it. ;)

He's horny, I think you're giving him too much credit.

Vandalier

2010-02-25, 08:26

am i doing it right

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5041/snapshot20100225202119.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20100225202119.jpg/)
Naname nanaju nanado nanabi de
naku naku naraku nanahan naranai de
i can't hear the rest

Nya Mode
Nyanyame Nyanyaju Nyanyado nyanyabi de
nyaku nyaku nyaraku nyanyahan nyaranyai de
i canya't hear the rest nya

let's try again
Naname nanaju nanado nanabi de
naku naku naraku nanahan naranai de
nan naku narabe naganai

Nya Mode
Nyanyame Nyanyaju Nyanyado nyanyabi de
nyaku nyaku nyaraku nyanyahan nyaranyai de
nyany nyaku nyarabe nyaganyai

looks like this is the right one

naname nanaju nanado nanabi de
naku naku nanaku nanahan nananai
nan nanku narabe naname

nya mode

nyanyame nyanyaju nyanyado nyanyabi de
nyaku nyaku nyanyaku nyanyahanya nyanyanyai
nyan nyanku nyarabe nyanyame

Azuma Denton

2010-02-25, 08:39

He's horny, I think you're giving him too much credit.
Ha ha ha...
Are you stating the fact or are you just bashing Ararargi?? :heh:

omimon

2010-02-25, 09:03

Ha ha ha...
Are you stating the fact or are you just bashing Ararargi?? :heh:

Fact, he is nothing more than a pervert.

zato_1one

2010-02-25, 09:22

He's horny, I think you're giving him too much credit.

LOL :heh::heh::heh:

I disagree but I admit that I really like this comment. Very funny. :heh:

@Vandalier
Someone in Youtube posted this. Don't know if it is accurate or not.

斜め七十七度の並びで
泣く泣く嘶く
ナナハン七台
難なく並べて
長眺め

naname nanajūnana-do no narabi de
nakunaku inanaku
nanahan nana-dai
nannaku narabete
naganagame

karice67

2010-02-25, 09:36

@Vandalier
Someone in Youtube posted this. Don't know if it is accurate or not.

斜め七十七度の並びで
泣く泣く嘶く
ナナハン七台
難なく並べて
長眺め

naname nanajūnana-do no narabi de
nakunaku inanaku
nanahan nana-dai
nannaku narabete
naganagame
Yup, that's right. It's long, but it's not the most difficult Japanese tongue twister I've come across. The "nya" version though...is a totally different kettle of fish...

Fact, he is nothing more than a pervert.
Though that's not all that unusual for young men of his age, is it?:heh:

omimon

2010-02-25, 09:47

Yup, that's right. It's long, but it's not the most difficult Japanese tongue twister I've come across. The "nya" version though...is a totally different kettle of fish...

Though that's not all that unusual for young men of his age, is it?:heh:

Well, usual might not be the right word.....see above post.

zato_1one

2010-02-25, 10:55

@omimon
Are those novel spoilers? :upset:

Vandalier

2010-02-25, 11:26

so its

nyanyame nyanyajūnyanya-do no nyarabi de
nyakunyaku inyanyaku
nyanyahan nyanya-dai
nyannyaku nyarabete
nyaganyagame

Azuma Denton

2010-02-25, 12:22

Just remember something...
In eps 14, there is no preview for BD/DVD volume 6...
Which means, there is no exact date for it...
So its quite possible that delay will happen again...

omimon

2010-02-25, 12:24

@omimon
Are those novel spoilers? :upset:

I thought it was common knowledge.

omimon

2010-02-25, 12:26

Just remember something...
In eps 14, there is no preview for BD/DVD volume 6...
Which means, there is no exact date for it...
So its quite possible that delay will happen again...

Well, I'll keep an eye on the fact that epi 14's stream has a set end date.

monir

2010-02-25, 12:47

Hilarious episode. I like this kitty. Nyahhahahah... nyahahaha...

So this arc wasn't solely about Hanekawa after all. Shinobu's importance to the story is just too much to not to bring some attention on her as well. Considering she was responsible to restore Hanekawa in the previous incident, it's only sensible the opportunity to flesh some of her story should take place in the Hanekawa arc. I liked the fact how Hanekawa's problem budding from stress also correlates to Shinobu. The ending song gives away so much when Shinobu walks in the middle as she holds both Oshino and Araragi-kun's hands while she fixates her gaze at Ararararararagi-san's direction. Shinobu the jealous cutie pie that doesn't like sharing the man in her life. :)

The animation was above average that came close to the level of episode 12 and episode 1. The voice acting was at the usual level unlike episode 13. They need to take their time that's for certain. And yet they still didn't seem to have enough time or the man-power to do an animated OP sequence. When was the last time a studio made their fan endure this much? *Deen*... uh... never mind. Good work Shaft.

Jarmel

2010-02-25, 12:53

This man is my hero.

Miyuki-ism

2010-02-25, 13:06

Dammit, who is going to sub this? Seriously, I can't stand waiting. XD

omimon

2010-02-25, 13:21

This man is my hero.

Can't forget eating puppies and clubbing baby seals to death.

Ok, I kid, I kid......or am I....?

ickem

2010-02-25, 13:22

I thought it was common knowledge.

It's only known to people who have either read the novels or the spoilers so I don't think it can be called common knowledge.

omimon

2010-02-25, 13:30

It's only known to people who have either read the novels or the spoilers so I don't think it can be called common knowledge.

I don't know man, a lot of us have been discussing about stuff like this since a long time ago.

zato_1one

2010-02-25, 13:33

I thought it was common knowledge.

I only recognize these scenes in Bakemonogatari anime.

-molest small children (Mayoi)
-lift up middle school kids' skirts (Mayoi)

But thanks for saying that. It's just a proof that no one is more suitable for Araragi than Hitagi.

Pervert (Araragi) x more pervert (Hitagi). A perfect couple! :heh:

omimon

2010-02-25, 13:44

I only recognize these scenes in Bakemonogatari anime.

-molest small children (Mayoi)
-lift up middle school kids' skirts (Mayoi)

But thanks for saying that. It's just a proof that no one is more suitable for Araragi than Hitagi.

Pervert (Araragi) x more pervert (Hitagi). A perfect couple! :heh:

Facepalm, I got nothing more to say.:heh::heh::heh:
Well, I'm sure she'll be more than delighted when she finds out all about her boyfriend's hobbies and learn that they are the perfect couple. If anything she'll love him even more and let him continue his conquest of the female body. Those girls never stood a chance....

monir

2010-02-25, 13:48

I don't know man, a lot of us have been discussing about stuff like this since a long time ago.
I had to delete your post for spoiler. This thread is exclusively for anime only. Anything beyond that has yet to be covered cannot be posted regardless if the content is common knowledge by now. There were three lines that I didn't have any knowledge of because the Araragi sisters arc haven't been featured.

To get back to the topic, you know the legend of the movie Ringu continues when Hitagi is making a reference to it. (well, at least that's what I think they were talking about.. :p) Good work by Araragi for picking it up. He also refers to the normal Hanekawa as "Boku no Hanekawa........ " in one of his internal monologue. Hitagi's only real competition is Hanekawa.

Kaoru Chujo

2010-02-25, 14:01

Absolutely outstanding. From the images to the sound to the story to the characters to the voice acting.

The tongue-twister was wonderful, but I enjoyed Hocchan's consistent nya-speech even more.

"Tsundere service" was an amazing little trope. "You have your way of doing things and I have mine." Wonderful. Subtly moving, especially as voiced by Chiwa.

Some of the backgrounds here were so great they almost broke my heart: walking through the city; the clouds passing behind Araragi, etc.

Now, at long last, in the final episode, will they find Shinobu and will I get to hear how Hirano Aya voices her? I wait in hope.

omimon

2010-02-25, 14:01

I had to delete your post for spoiler. This thread is exclusively for anime only. Anything beyond that has yet to be covered cannot be posted regardless if the content is common knowledge by now. There were three lines that I didn't have any knowledge of because the Araragi sisters arc haven't been featured.

To get back to the topic, you know the legend of the movie Ringu continues when Hitagi is making a reference to it. (well, at least that's what I think they were talking about.. :p) Good work by Araragi for picking it up. He also refers to the normal Hanekawa as "Boku no Hanekawa........ " in one of his internal monologue. Hitagi's only real competition is Hanekawa.

That's what she thinks, Nadeko is secretly crawling her way into Araragi pants....

monir

2010-02-25, 14:08

That's what she thinks, Nadeko is secretly crawling her way into Araragi pants....
Nadeko certainly put a up a victory scratch when Araragi admitted that he calmed down after Nadeko's attempt at calming down Araragi with a side story.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/238/snapshot20100225140338.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20100225140338.jpg/)

She may not be an immediate threat to Hitagi's peace of mind, but the future is indeed looking bleak for Hitagi. I guess she can fight one foe at a time. Hanekawa for the time being. Then Nadeko when the time is right. :heh:

Kunagisa

2010-02-25, 14:27

Nadeko certainly put a up a victory scratch when Araragi admitted that he calmed down after Nadeko's attempt at calming down Araragi with a side story.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/238/snapshot20100225140338.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/i/snapshot20100225140338.jpg/)

She may not be an immediate threat to Hitagi's peace of mind, but the future is indeed looking bleak for Hitagi. I guess she can fight one foe at a time. Hanekawa for the time being. Then Nadeko when the time is right. :heh:

I think anime Nadeko increased her appeal by 10-20x. The novel is like ok ... a semi grown up version of Hachikuji so who cares. Then comes the anime and it went from :eyebrow: to :love:.

As much as a pervert Arararararagi is, I still have faith in his devotion to Hitagi, so in the long run I think the Queen won't be dethroned (though I don't mind Nadeko rising up, just not boobcat nor lolivamp taking her place <__<).

MMmmmm...

Needs a 10 minute loop.

http://www.youtube.com/v/YfRbtCo-Cv0&autoplay=1&loop=1 (more like infinite loop though).

omimon

2010-02-25, 14:34

I think anime Nadeko increased her appeal by 10-20x. The novel is like ok ... a semi grown up version of Hachikuji so who cares. Then comes the anime and it went from :eyebrow: to :love:.

As much as a pervert Arararararagi is, I still have faith in his devotion to Hitagi, so in the long run I think the Queen won't be dethroned (though I don't mind Nadeko rising up, just not boobcat nor lolivamp taking her place <__<).

http://www.youtube.com/v/YfRbtCo-Cv0&autoplay=1&loop=1 (more like infinite loop though).

And secretly devilmonkey conquers him while the others are distracted with killing each other.

Azuma Denton

2010-02-25, 20:21

And secretly devilmonkey conquers him while the others are distracted with killing each other.
Hmm, i don't think that monkey has enough intelligence to do that...
At best, she'll team up with anti~Hitagi faction to conquer Hitagi than backstab the other to conquer Araragi... :heh:

As for Nadeko, she haven't known the existance of Hitagi yet.
Hanekawa's is too much for Nadeko handle, i wonder what'll happen when Nadeko meet Hitagi... :heh:

But thanks for saying that. It's just a proof that no one is more suitable for Araragi than Hitagi.

Pervert (Araragi) x more pervert (Hitagi). A perfect couple!

@zato_1one
Couldn't agree more...
The one to conquer a pervert is a more perverted one... :heh:

omimon

2010-02-25, 20:40

Azuma Denton

2010-02-25, 21:08

Well

- she is naked in front of Araragi
- she is willing to put a naked apron
- she is willing not to put an underwear to school
- she can make the pervert Araragi stays quiet like a child

Full Metal Coast

2010-02-25, 21:29

Well

- she is naked in front of Araragi
- she is willing to put a naked apron
- she is willing not to put an underwear to school
- she can make the pervert Araragi stays quiet like a child

*you forgot that she even cooks him lunch and lets him run off on his little escapades as well. and she is smoking hot.

this just sums up the absolute perfect girlfriend.

omimon

2010-02-25, 21:59

Well

- she is naked in front of Araragi
- she is willing to put a naked apron
- she is willing not to put an underwear to school
- she can make the pervert Araragi stays quiet like a child

Please, you called that perverted....Araragi stick his hand down girls' pants.

Azuma Denton

2010-02-25, 22:34

Please, you called that perverted....Araragi stick his hand down girls' pants.
well, if a girl willing to do that for a guy she just talk for one week...
if that is not called perverted... i dunno what word to describe it...

i havent read kizu and nise...
but by so far in bake, the most perverted one is Hitagi...

Kaoru Chujo

2010-02-25, 23:14

*you forgot that she even cooks him lunch and lets him run off on his little escapades as well. and she is smoking hot.

this just sums up the absolute perfect girlfriend.The perfect girlfriend -- who wields boxcutters and puts a stapler in your mouth.

He's never going to leave her, because she would mutilate him if he did.

But I think she's wonderful, too.

By the way, the most perverted one has to be Shinbou, doesn't it? He and NisiOisiN, lol.

ickem

2010-02-26, 00:06

Hmm, i don't think that monkey has enough intelligence to do that...
At best, she'll team up with anti~Hitagi faction to conquer Hitagi than backstab the other to conquer Araragi... :heh:

As for Nadeko, she haven't known the existance of Hitagi yet.
Hanekawa's is too much for Nadeko handle, i wonder what'll happen when Nadeko meet Hitagi... :heh:

@zato_1one
Couldn't agree more...
The one to conquer a pervert is a more perverted one... :heh:

From the commentaries for Nadeko Snake and the first Tsubasa Cat discs it seems that Nishio Isshin is either saving the Hitagi-Nadeko meeting for something special or he feels that their meeting would cause the universe to implode. Oshino did the commentary for Nadeko Snake because he didn't want her to have to face Hitagi or Kanbaru:p, Hitagi because she's just terrifying and Yurikko-chan because she loves her lillies;).

monir

2010-02-26, 00:10

And secretly devilmonkey conquers him while the others are distracted with killing each other.
Eh? According to Devilmonkey's 1 of the 3 greetings, she is already been conquered by Araragi-san as his personal sex-slave (ero-dorei). She has also got a system to identify if the anonymous caller is Araragi depending on the tsukkomi. Since she also has Hitagi's blessing as the precious Kouhai, there won't be any need for conquering. No, I'm afraid it's Hanekawa that poses the immediate threat while Nadeko is the other threat lurking in the shadow.

Like you, I also don't understand how she got the "pervert" title.

And it's also a very good point that Nadeko has yet to meet Hitagi face to face. :heh:

zato_1one

2010-02-26, 01:54

Like you, I also don't understand how she got the "pervert" title.

You shouldn't forget what she did to Araragi in the car in episode 12. :eyespin:

Furthermore, I remember that someone translated some parts of previous commentaries. Hitagi told Kanbaru that don't treat her like a hentai master. (CMIIW) All of these make me believe that Hitagi is actually a pervert by nature. It wasn't because of her twist personality due to the crab curse because she knew Kanbaru even before that. :D

BTW, sub is so slow this time. :(

monir

2010-02-26, 02:33

You shouldn't forget what she did to Araragi in the car in episode 12. :eyespin:
Oh, that's just normal behavior for any girl that wants to mark her property for personal use. Perfectly within reason.

Jokes aside, her past history makes me reluctant to identify her as "pervert." She is curious, and very serious. The car scene had two purpose. She let Araragi know that she is very comfortable around her dad who is cool, and she let her dad know that she is very serious about Araragi. Isio Nisin certainly knows how to tell a story. And Shinbou knows how to appeal to the fans that take their moe~ and lolis very seriously. It's a deadly combination but not without purpose. :)

ickem

2010-02-26, 03:25

Oh, that's just normal behavior for any girl that wants to mark her property for personal use. Perfectly within reason.

Jokes aside, her past history makes me reluctant to identify her as "pervert." She is curious, and very serious. The car scene had two purpose. She let Araragi know that she is very comfortable around her dad who is cool, and she let her dad know that she is very serious about Araragi. Isio Nisin certainly knows how to tell a story. And Shinbou knows how to appeal to the fans that take their moe~ and lolis very seriously. It's a deadly combination but not without purpose. :)

Too be honest I don't think neither Hitagi nor Koyomi are perverts despite all the gags. They're high school students so it's only natural that they have an interest in sex.

One thing though, Hitagi's relationship with her father is really complex when you consider all the baggage that they have. It's a pity that there wasn't enough time to go into it more, but the only reason that they seemed to be so comfortable with each other was because of Koyomi. As her father said, it had been a really long time since he had seen Hitagi like this.

With all that said, I think you people are delusional if you think the other girls have a chance after ep 12! Moe snakes, yuri monkeys, and tailless cats have nothing on stapling crabs.

zato_1one

2010-02-26, 03:26

omimon

2010-02-26, 04:46

Too be honest I don't think neither Hitagi nor Koyomi are perverts despite all the gags. They're high school students so it's only natural that they have an interest in sex.

One thing though, Hitagi's relationship with her father is really complex when you consider all the baggage that they have. It's a pity that there wasn't enough time to go into it more, but the only reason that they seemed to be so comfortable with each other was because of Koyomi. As her father said, it had been a really long time since he had seen Hitagi like this.

With all that said, I think you people are delusional if you think the other girls have a chance after ep 12! Moe snakes, yuri monkeys, and tailless cats have nothing on stapling crabs.

Lolivamps all the way. Screw staples.

Azuma Denton

2010-02-26, 10:10

Should we make a thread for Bakemonogatari's character battle since we got a Hitagi, Shinobu and Nadeko cultist? :heh:

Haak

2010-02-26, 16:16

To be honest I don't see why people think Araragi is perverted. He seems pretty normal to me. Well except for the swimsuit fetsih, but everyone has quirks...

So what, is Shinobu trying to get more Araragi followers or does she just want for Araragi to be normal again?

Araragi has an interesting dilemna. He always been shown to do anything to save anyone but now he's faced with this sitiation in which if he helps one of them and then he hurts the other. Tough luck. I've never actually seen a deconstruction of the The Dulcinea effect (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDulcineaEffect) so this is proving pretty entertaining.

karice67

2010-02-26, 20:16

To be honest I don't see why people think Araragi is perverted. He seems pretty normal to me. Well except for the swimsuit fetsih, but everyone has quirks...
How about groping a loli? albeit one that no one else can see...

So what, is Shinobu trying to get more Araragi followers or does she just want for Araragi to be normal again?
Neither. As monir noted before...

HSo this arc wasn't solely about Hanekawa after all. Shinobu's importance to the story is just too much to not to bring some attention on her as well. Considering she was responsible to restore Hanekawa in the previous incident, it's only sensible the opportunity to flesh some of her story should take place in the Hanekawa arc. I liked the fact how Hanekawa's problem budding from stress also correlates to Shinobu. The ending song gives away so much when Shinobu walks in the middle as she holds both Oshino and Araragi-kun's hands while she fixates her gaze at Ararararararagi-san's direction. Shinobu the jealous cutie pie that doesn't like sharing the man in her life. :)

Marion

2010-02-26, 20:26

Honestly, I don't see how Nadeko will ever be a love rival against Hitagi. Koyomi was obviously checking her out in that swimsuit at times, but it doesn't seem like his feelings go beyond being protective of her - like an 'older brother' ironically :heh: I'm sure she'll get over her feelings for him one day, since it's very normal for young girls to idolize boys older than them most times.

Hanekawa I can definietly understand, not only is she in the same age range as Araragi, but because it was pretty much implied that there was a good chance Araragi would go for her if she confessed her feelings to him, before he got close to Hitagi. Not to mention that near kiss Hanekawa made with him in the 9th episode, he didn't even seem to fight back or stop her oddly.

...Of course just watch. While these three are brawling over who loves him more, Hachikuji is going to appear and he's just going to go with her (hey, she's technically in her 20's you know!)

monir

2010-02-26, 20:37

Well, it's debatable. The conversation started with Araragi mentioned that Kanbaru was pervert. So, Hitagi decided to tell Araragi about pervert things in order for Araragi to raise his standard and saw Kanbaru as a pure mind girl. :D
We are getting a little sidetracked here, but I think this confusion needs to be addressed. There is no debate. ;) I'll elaborate. The entire conversation started when Araragi found Hitagi likes to bring her dad in casual dates. He was unsettled. Hitagi asked why he was so quiet. And the conversation starts from there. As I mentioned in the previous posts, the point of that conversation served two purpose. Introduce the two most important men in her life to each other, and make them comfortable around each other. Once she was certain that she had done enough, she got out of the car to let them talk. She reaffirms the purpose of why she brought her dad with her today in the under-the-starry-sky scene when she gives that line about what she can offer Araragi. :)

Isio Nisin writes very sobering stories under the guise of comedy and fluff for easy consumption. So it's very easy to miss out on the context when Shinbo is so good at bringing out the fluff and fanservice.

FlareKnight

2010-02-26, 22:05

Well this was an interesting episode though wish it hadn't taken so long to get to see it. Really this just puts Araragi in a very difficult place. He's tried hard to save anyone he could and now his own actions have created this situation. It was pretty obvious that Hanekawa's feelings toward Araragi were the key to this. Knowing the guy she liked wasn't available anymore and yet she was still close in part because he needed her help on occasion. It's a tough spot since the easy solution of Shinobu isn't around. Though it's almost a positive since it forces Araragi to look at this situation. I can't see him not staying with Hitagi and yet it is still important for showing how his actions can have consequences.

Wonder about Shinobu. I don't think Araragi not figuring everything out means he's that dense. Maybe she thinks if she isn't around it will mean Araragi will stay away from the oddities. True that if she is gone he'll be normal and if he's normal he can stick with Hitagi and leave that world behind. But this also shows how serious he is. The fact he would go so far if anything did happen to Shinobu.

Liked that call with Hitagi. She calmly realizes that everyone must do what they need to do. Everyone has responsibilities and just have to follow through. Still gotta love the whole "tsundere service" part :D.

Anyways they left it off at a pretty key moment. Will have to settle things somehow. Just hope the time between this episode and the next isn't as long.

Vexx

2010-02-26, 22:20

I love stories when the reality of guys who help everyone ends up in a "can't be everywhere at once" and *someone* gets hurt.

Pain, emo, and grim reality to follow.

karice67

2010-02-26, 22:38

Wonder about Shinobu. I don't think Araragi not figuring everything out means he's that dense. Maybe she thinks if she isn't around it will mean Araragi will stay away from the oddities. True that if she is gone he'll be normal and if he's normal he can stick with Hitagi and leave that world behind. But this also shows how serious he is. The fact he would go so far if anything did happen to Shinobu.
I think that "dense" (鈍感) fits, at least in the context of personal/romantic relationships. It's not that he didn't figure out anything (though personally, I would say that THAT makes him incredibly dense...), it's that he didn't figure out that Hanekawa liked him. In contrast, Hitagi, Oshino and perhaps even Shinobu noticed. Of course, the fact that he has "surprisingly few friends" would have contributed to his deficiency in this department.

Your theory about Shinobu's thinking is quite different to what Black Hanekawa postulates about her disappearance, though that's because the cat is looking at the situation from the point of view of her master's problem. However, given how Nadeko felt when they all stayed over at the cram school after her exorcism (i.e. that Shinobu was glaring at her, or something to that effect), I'd be willing to bet on the cat being right, at least to a certain extent.

zato_1one

2010-02-26, 22:53

I know that her main purpose of the date was to introduce Araragi to her father and also to introduce her father to Araragi. That conversation bit about pervert things is just a side gag. My point is that if she could do something like sex phone then I think that she was qualified as a pervert person. :eyespin:

Miyuki-ism

2010-02-26, 23:48

Tsundere Service, a cat is fine too reference, Nadeko.

This episode has amazing.

-Sho-

2010-02-26, 23:55

Finally watched it .

That was great . I missed this show :)
Lol the new op , 3D OP ftw XD
Shinobu went missing . Araragi wanted to find her with the help of the others girls .
Hitagi didn't want ^^ and "Tsundere Service" , that was cute :)
And finally the revelation => Hanekawa loves Araragi that why she's stressed .
Of course , the end with a Cliffhanger lol

Also i didn't understand very well the meaning :

"The posturing waggler = Kanbaru Suruga"
"Walk toward the apple = Senjogahara Hitagi"

Next episode , the last one :(

omimon

2010-02-27, 00:29

Tsundere Service, a cat is fine too reference, Nadeko.

This episode has amazing.

Actually the direct translation of the quote is "So it is a situation where you need to borrow a cat's paw's help."

But a cat is fine reference is good too.

zato_1one

2010-02-27, 00:30

Also i didn't understand very well the meaning :

"The posturing waggler = Kanbaru Suruga"
"Walk toward the apple = Senjogahara Hitagi"

Me too. Can someone elaborate about this?

omimon

2010-02-27, 00:51

Me too. Can someone elaborate about this?

This reference back to the thirteenth episode when Araragi and Tsubasa were talking on the phone about the three people who had their letters read on the radio.

Nadeko was Big Bear Cat and Kanbaru and Hitagi were the other two.

Araragi actually followed up with a couple of lines:

What programming is this, the ratings are so high!

Is everyone listening to it!?

Am I the only one not listening to it!?

Damn it, I'm not keeping up with the trends!

-Sho-

2010-02-27, 01:05

Wow .. so that was it , ok .. lol

gonzo562

2010-02-27, 03:12

wow wow wow what a cliff hanger ending i cant wait for the next episode to air

Konakaga

2010-02-27, 03:47

Tsundere Service, a cat is fine too reference, Nadeko.

This episode has amazing.

That about covered it, this episode made me laugh soo much :heh: 10/10 easily :).

I really hope 15 is sooner.

Haak

2010-02-27, 08:32

How about groping a loli? albeit one that no one else can see...

Oh yeah but he did that just to tease. Just like Hitagi in episode 12.

Neither. As monir noted before...

Jelousy? Why would she run away because of jelousy? Is she trying to become big again or something? I don't understand.

Jaden

2010-02-27, 11:24

"So it's a situation where you need a cat to help you out"

What reference was that really? "A cat is fine too" fit the situation really well, but the line doesn't translate to that..

omimon

2010-02-27, 11:49

"So it's a situation where you need a cat to help you out"

What reference was that really? "A cat is fine too" fit the situation really well, but the line doesn't translate to that..

I think it's a japanese idiom.

Kenn

2010-02-27, 13:58

"So it's a situation where you need a cat to help you out"

What reference was that really? "A cat is fine too" fit the situation really well, but the line doesn't translate to that..

:heh: Dunno if I'm wrong, but wasn't that a line from a Type-Moon doujin? A cat is fine too. (http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2006/11/22/a-cat-is-fine-too/)

Anywho, ragh cliffhanger. Hitagi's tsundere service was fun xD.

miomio

2010-02-27, 16:02

Awesome episode!

DeadlySoldier37

2010-02-27, 16:49

God I missed this show, I've been waiting for ever for this episode. The episode it self was great as you would expect from Bakemonogatari. Black Hanekawa was awesome I wouldn't mind her hug/shocking me like she did Araragi.

The tsundere service was awesome too, I mean you can't have a Bakemonogatari episode without Hitagi, I missed her so much. Really looking forward to next episode hopefully it won't take long for it to come out.

Nochgo

2010-02-27, 17:56

lol@tsundere service and ero-slave.
Also, the 'nya' tongue twister had me go 'kyawaiii~' like a middle school girl :heh:

Anyhow, no shinobu, no oshino. whacha gonna do Araragi?

Jin Kizuite

2010-02-27, 17:59

Someone tell me what other animes Nadeko's voice actor stars in. Her "onii-chan" is just too cute and alluring it's sucking me in. Next week of continuous episode replay and i'll be her bidding slave.

We need more Nadeko doujins out. Most are Hitagi, i've only seen maybe one raw nadeko doujin... er I shouldn't be talking about this. *Cough* Her pajamas sure were something this episode right guys...? >.<

Also @ Solomon thanks for taking my avatar I specifically requested in the avatar request section... not.

Tsuchi

2010-02-27, 18:50

I really liked this episode.

Not only we had good moments and bright conversations as usual, we also got some information about the oddities' true nature (kind of expected, but still interesting); it sounds normal for her to consider Oshino someone who "knows his place", but she also looks kinda curious about Araragi, precisely because of his almost familiar attitude regarding those phenomena.

More like she just wants to play with everyone, I'd bet, seeing the current situation. And damn, she looks amused about the predicament Araragi will be in from now on. I can't wait to see how will he avoid getting stapled. Nice allegory, that scissors in the end of the episode...

Also, since the beginning of the series, I keep thinking that Oshino's cigar is actually a chocolate one.

Azuma Denton

2010-02-27, 19:49

Jin Kizuite

2010-02-27, 20:32

Dextro

2010-02-27, 20:37

For the sake of humanity, you must rip and post it on youtube or torrent it.

This way, the poor souls who live outside Japan can finally rest in peace. :heh:

Some teasers ;)

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/9819/a89159850.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2613/a89159944.jpg

When I saw this all I could think of was: NOSEBLEED!!! I might have lost a liter of blood or something when seeing that... And listening to it is even worse! I wasn't a Nadeko fan but I sure as hell can't overlook her charm now... DANG!

Clarste

2010-02-27, 22:38

What?! She's Anri in Durarara?! But, but... she doesn't sound anywhere near as *must hug, and do anything for her when she calls me onii-chan" cute as she does as Nadeko. Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu~

*flops on Azuma's lap saddened*

Because she's actually a good actor, instead of just a moeblob. Although personally I recognized her voice so I'm not sure why you're so surprised.

omimon

2010-02-27, 22:42

Because she's actually a good actor, instead of just a moeblob. Although personally I recognized her voice so I'm not sure why you're so surprised.

I don't know about you but I remember her more for Zange.

Dop

2010-02-28, 14:39

The tongue twister was wonderful as was Araragi's reaction it...
I'd almost forgotten how much I love this series. I think when the last episode comes out I'll rewatch the whole thing.

Anyway. I think I know where Shinobu is. She got tired of waiting for episode 14 to come out and ran off to that other Akiyuki Shinbo show...!

achirist

2010-02-28, 19:28

Marion

2010-02-28, 21:33

I agree that Araragi is not a pervert. This was an excellent episode--I really liked the unexpected long conversation about the nature of oddities that he had with Black Hanekawa, and it was hilarious listening to his various phone conversations. So, Hanekawa, like many anime girls, liked a boy but didn't make her move in time. But, of course, just letting the feelings out and talking about it all will probably cure things; clearly Araragi doesn't actually have to fall in love with the girl.
Although I would be inclined to agree, I think back to the Tsubasa Cat OP and what can be generally considered to be Hanekawa's image song.

The song is basically the opposite of Suruga Moneky - Kanbaru's OP talks about how she's going to try and get past her unrequited love for Hitagi. Hanekawa's OP basically says how she's going to wait even if its hopeless and that wishing for the person you love to be happy, even if its without you, feels unreasonable.

I don't think this is something that can be just so simply talked out, otherwise I doubt Black Hanekawa would make it sound like falling in love with Tsubasa is the only plausible option besides Shinobu. Plus it's not like Araragi can exactly talk to Hanekawa while Black Hanekawa is inhabiting her.

zato_1one

2010-02-28, 22:39

BTW, do you know who was cosplaying as Hanekawa in OP?

Marion

2010-02-28, 23:03

BTW, do you know who was cosplaying as Hanekawa in OP?
From what I could tell it wasn't just one person, since the body frame changed from picture to picture. Its basically Hanekawa cosplayers from around the world, I suppose :heh:

omimon

2010-02-28, 23:26

From what I could tell it wasn't just one person, since the body frame changed from picture to picture. Its basically Hanekawa cosplayers from around the world, I suppose :heh:

Your comment reminded me of that cosplayer from Thailand.

karice67

2010-03-01, 03:52

Jelousy? Why would she run away because of jelousy? Is she trying to become big again or something? I don't understand.
We should probably keep in mind that, whilst Shinobu may look like a child atm, she's actually a vampire that's hundreds of years old, perhaps more, and that Araragi actually said that he is basically tied to her for the rest of his life. And then he becomes friendly with other girls and even gets a girlfriend...

:heh: Dunno if I'm wrong, but wasn't that a line from a Type-Moon doujin? A cat is fine too. (http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2006/11/22/a-cat-is-fine-too/)
Er...no, just no. I'm not sure whether the doujin is based on the same phrase, but as omimon said, it's a Japanese idiom.

From Jim Breen's dictionary: 猫の手も借りたい【ねこのてもかりたい】= (n) extremely busy; lit: so busy one would even welcome the help of a cat.

omimon

2010-03-01, 04:21

We should probably keep in mind that, whilst Shinobu may look like a child atm, she's actually a vampire that's hundreds of years old, perhaps more, and that Araragi actually said that he is basically tied to her for the rest of his life. And then he becomes friendly with other girls and even gets a girlfriend...

Er...no, just no. I'm not sure whether the doujin is based on the same phrase, but as omimon said, it's a Japanese idiom.

From Jim Breen's dictionary: 猫の手も借りたい【ねこのてもかりたい】= (n) extremely busy; lit: so busy one would even welcome the help of a cat.

I think him finding getting a girlfriend is just his way of passing time since it is more than likely that his regeneration will make him live forever. (Although this isn't proven yet.)

mastakilla88

2010-03-01, 06:54

I died

http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/3/1/mastakilla88/f_1v79mhnoinpm_85bc191.jpg

http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/3/1/mastakilla88/f_5iinxn8pce9m_70426c7.jpg

achirist

2010-03-01, 16:14

Although I would be inclined to agree, I think back to the Tsubasa Cat OP and what can be generally considered to be Hanekawa's image song.

The song is basically the opposite of Suruga Moneky - Kanbaru's OP talks about how she's going to try and get past her unrequited love for Hitagi. Hanekawa's OP basically says how she's going to wait even if its hopeless and that wishing for the person you love to be happy, even if its without you, feels unreasonable.

I don't think this is something that can be just so simply talked out, otherwise I doubt Black Hanekawa would make it sound like falling in love with Tsubasa is the only plausible option besides Shinobu. Plus it's not like Araragi can exactly talk to Hanekawa while Black Hanekawa is inhabiting her.

That is an interesting point about her OP--I hadn't thought of that. It may take something very strong to appease Black Hanekawa--you're right that at this point, talking, especially with the cackling kitty, isn't likely enough.

Morbus

2010-03-01, 16:15

Because she's actually a good actor, instead of just a moeblob. Although personally I recognized her voice so I'm not sure why you're so surprised.
Seconded.

She also stars in Darker than BLACK Ryussei no Gemini (sp?) as Suou Pavlishenko, and her voice is about as cute as in Bake. I'm not a particular fan, but she's a very good seyuu. But the again, so is Hanekawa's, which I prefer.

So, Hanekawa, like many anime girls, liked a boy but didn't make her move in time. But, of course, just letting the feelings out and talking about it all will probably cure things;
Does it ever?

achirist

2010-03-01, 19:10

Does it ever?

Well yeah, in the non-supernatural real world, I highly support the power of open, honest communication to clear the air and heal people. In fact, that was what we saw in the kanbaru monkey situation--the ultimate communication between kanbaru and hitagi ended the overall crisis.

karice67

2010-03-01, 21:13

I think him finding getting a girlfriend is just his way of passing time since it is more than likely that his regeneration will make him live forever. (Although this isn't proven yet.)
Hm...but even if his relationship with Shinobu does mean that he'll live forever, it's not like he knows that he will. Also, he seems to have been content just having a friend (Hanekawa) and a reason for living (Shinobu), at least until Hitagi turned his world upside down. Based on his character, he would never have asked anyone out, non?

Azuma Denton

2010-03-01, 21:52

Hm...but even if his relationship does mean that he'll live forever, it's not like he knows that he will. Also, he seems to have been content just having a friend (Hanekawa) and a reason for living (Shinobu), at least until Hitagi turned his world upside down. Based on his character, he would never have asked anyone out, non?
Yeap, he would never confess to a girl.
Hitagi has dropped many hints for him, but he just casually answer, "Just buy me a can of juice next time and then we're even." :heh:

Morbus

2010-03-02, 07:08

Well yeah, in the non-supernatural real world, I highly support the power of open, honest communication to clear the air and heal people. In fact, that was what we saw in the kanbaru monkey situation--the ultimate communication between kanbaru and hitagi ended the overall crisis.
Hum... Closure is something that comes from very different things on different occasions. Kanbaru had her closure after being obviously rejected when Senjogahara defended Araragi... It was different circumstances...

Well, if the ghost cat tried to attack Senjogahara this time, maybe it's the same, but overall, Hanekawa is a completely different character from Kanbaru. I'm expecting her to try and win Araragi fair and square (I haven't read any paper material, so I don't know what'll happen), which will probably be troublesome... I don't know what to expect after that.

One thing seems clear to me: Hanekawa doesn't have much to understand why Araragi prefers Senjogahara to her, unlike Kanbaru. On top of that, it seems pretty obvious that she respects his choice enough never to bring her feelings up. And I'm not even considering how Koyomi will react, mind you. His character, well, he's very similar to myself, except when it comes to his pervertedness (that's pretty light, though), so... yeah, I'm expecting a duality of feelings from Araragi's side but I think his fear of loosing Senjogahara will eventually win.

Gya! Atashi wa amari hanashi. Gomen.

klare

2010-03-03, 07:47

the cat is cute in this eps, much more interesting than her "master"

Araragi said he will die for Shinobu... this is confusing

i remember next eps is the ending, hope for things to be cleared

omimon

2010-03-03, 08:31

the cat is cute in this eps, much more interesting than her "master"

Araragi said he will die for Shinobu... this is confusing

i remember next eps is the ending, hope for things to be cleared

It's not THAT confusing, she is the most important person to him that isn't in his family.

Morbus

2010-03-03, 08:33

Araragi said he will die for Shinobu... this is confusing
He also said he valued paying back to Hanekawa more than her friendship.

i remember next eps is the ending, hope for things to be cleared
I hope they don't :P Hopefully there'll be a continuation to the series.

Marion

2010-03-03, 09:13

I hope they don't :P Hopefully there'll be a continuation to the series.
Well there is always Kizumonogatari and Nisemonogatari.

Jarmel

2010-03-04, 11:50

Deleted as I should have known this would cause problems.

omimon

2010-03-04, 12:44

I'm not even sure if I want Shaft doing the show after this. There might be some slight humor lost but if say Kyoto took up the reigns, I probably wouldn't mind horribly.

That would be the worst possible thing to happen ever. Kyoto has seriously managing problems. (I think the higher-ups are so full of themselves there is liquid ass coming out of them) Besides, bake is a series that relies on dialog and I can promise you that Shaft is so uncreative that they won't even consider the notion of changing anything unless the author asked them to. (Dance and Negima) Besides, there is no way Shaft is going to let go of this cash cow, they are going to milk this series for all its worth...Shinbou can just taste the diamond-encrusted lolis can't he....

monir

2010-03-04, 12:51

I'm not even sure if I want Shaft doing the show after this. There might be some slight humor lost but if say Kyoto took up the reigns, I probably wouldn't mind horribly.

Who is more capable at bringing out those super moe-blob voices with that particular sense of voice directing and corresponding character designs that compliments those voices? Who else but Shinbo can bring their fans to their knees with a single line from the ultimate moe-blob Nadeko when she says, "koyomi onichan"? This story itself with its brand of humor is very good, but to transform this to a visual media requires a similar kind of mind. Shinbo's style is very fitting to bring out Isio Nisin's dialogue-oriented work it seems.

I personally think the anime did so well because Shaft was behind it with its unique brand of presentation, along side their usual shinanigans and faults.

Clarste

2010-03-04, 14:06

As has been said before, Bakemonogatari wasn't even really that popular as a novel. Not terrible, but not way up there at the top either. The anime, and therefore Shaft, made it a super-popular #1 seller.

Jarmel

2010-03-04, 14:10

That would be the worst possible thing to happen ever. Kyoto has seriously managing problems. (I think the higher-ups are so full of themselves there is liquid ass coming out of them) Besides, bake is a series that relies on dialog and I can promise you that Shaft is so uncreative that they won't even consider the notion of changing anything unless the author asked them to. (Dance and Negima) Besides, there is no way Shaft is going to let go of this cash cow, they are going to milk this series for all its worth...Shinbou can just taste the diamond-encrusted lolis can't he....

That's true I guess. I'm just more annoyed at having to deal with an OVA schedule for a tv series. I wouldn't mind less dialog and thought this arc could be shortened an episode though. I do admit though that dealing with an uncreative studio, and they know it, can be very much a blessing. Vampire Bund and Soul Eater are perfect examples of screwing with the source material too much. Also didn't SZS diverge from the manga a bit for the first season?

@monir
Other studios have done cute lolis before and Shaft won't certainly be the last.

Anyway just ignore my previous comment as I'm pissed at having to wait.

monir

2010-03-04, 14:20

@monir
Other studios have done cute lolis before and Shaft won't certainly be the last.
No argument there. :) With Shinbo in the helm, however, the lolis/cutiepies/tsunderes/nekomimi/kyuuketsuki/yuri/shota (Negima!)/oppai-bijin/name-ur-fetish-and-etc multiplies their attraction by 10^3 fold. :heh:

Anyway just ignore my previous comment as I'm pissed at having to wait.
I can fully understand and empathize with your frustration. I've also bought the most DVDs for anything by Shaft than any other production companies. It is quite a conundrum that much is certain which is why they are getting away with their shenanigan time and time again... :D

Malkuth

2010-03-04, 14:46

@Jarmel: Better to deal with delays, and v2, rather than ruin another wonderful novel as they did with Haruhi ... oh wait, I kind of remember waiting two months for a new episode broadcast ... weren't they just playing the same episode :heh:

Let KyoAni do it's K-On! Lucky Stars and VN-adaptions, this show does not rely on brain-less moe-blobs.

HandofFate

2010-03-04, 16:28

Just started watching episode14.
Maybe I missed something, but at the end of episode13, the cat appeared, and at the start of episode14, the cat seems to be gone. Did the cat run off?

Liked how all the girls got at least a cameo with Koyomi trying to find Shinobu.

Clarste

2010-03-04, 16:51

The cat was tied up on the roof of the building (and then escaped while they were talking). They just skipped over the part where Oshino tied her up and went straight to the conversation afterwards.

Jin Kizuite

2010-03-04, 17:30

"Koyomi onii-chan."

*Jin dies from moe attack*

Morbus

2010-03-04, 18:00

Is she moe-like? I never really understood wth "moe" means...

Tsuchi

2010-03-04, 18:56

Nadeko's probably the clearest embodiment of 'moe' in Bakemonogatari.

She's cute, she's quiet and shy, she is also pretty young and looks fragile enough to make you want to protect her, etc.

Anyway, the definition of 'moe' is fuzzy nowadays due to many bastardizations and misunderstandings, and many times it's mentioned when 'cute' should be used. But I guess the consensus there is that 'moe' doesn't imply a sexual impulse.

Jarmel

2010-03-04, 21:35

I would probably say Mayoi is a closer idea to moe and Nadeko closer to loli.

Marion

2010-03-04, 22:56

I would probably say Mayoi is a closer idea to moe and Nadeko closer to loli.
Agreed. Although before I would say the opposite, the way Nadeko's body was manipulated and closed up on in the bluray for episode 10 was majorly for fanservice. Moe characters generally don't need to be manipulated to attract eyes to them, because their image alone is already appealing enough. Nadeko however is very manipulated - close up shots of her naked and in a swimsuit, then the whole pink pajama outfit (wearing it in midday as well) makes me feel like the artistic director is using her as an object, rather than developing her as a character. Mayoi, on the other hand, has very cute moments and, although can use some development herself like all the characters can, is a far more well rounded character than Nadeko.

Morbus

2010-03-05, 04:12

karice67

2010-03-05, 04:50

er...just what are your definitions of "moe" and "loli"? Or what do you mean by them?

"Loli" by itself is probably a shorter form of "Lolita", i.e. a sexually precocious young girl. Despite what Nishio puts her through, Nadeko does NOT strike me as a lolita at all, she's just way too naive. (Now, if she behaved like Hitagi does in Mayoi Snail, THEN she'd be a lolita. I will admit, however, that what she says in the CM for her DVD, is quite suggestive...but I'm going to have to read the novels to find out the context, if that's where it was taken from.)

Of course, going by that, Hachikuji isn't a lolita either.

"Moe" isn't (or at least, it wasn't) used to describe a person. It's actually a feeling that's induced in someone. Remember when Hitagi coined "tore" and at least one of the fansub groups translated it as "fascination"? That's basically what "moe" implies, a fascination with something, be it glasses, cuteness etc etc.

For what typically induces a "moe" reaction, Tsuchi's definition
Nadeko's probably the clearest embodiment of 'moe' in Bakemonogatari.

She's cute, she's quiet and shy, she is also pretty young and looks fragile enough to make you want to protect her, etc.

Anyway, the definition of 'moe' is fuzzy nowadays due to many bastardizations and misunderstandings, and many times it's mentioned when 'cute' should be used. But I guess the consensus there is that 'moe' doesn't imply a sexual impulse.
is the one that I'm familiar with, the most important points being that the predominating feeling is of wanting to protect, not a sexual impulse.

Between Mayoi and Nadeko...I would say that Mayoi does not induce a "moe" feeling AT ALL, unless you happen to like little girls who will bite you and stutter over your name. Nadeko, on the other hand, does. Even in Koyomi, believe it or not.

omimon

2010-03-05, 06:05

"Loli" by itself is probably a shorter form of "Lolita", i.e. a sexually precocious young girl. Despite what Nishio puts her through, Nadeko does NOT strike me as a lolita at all, she's just way too naive. (Now, if she behaved like Hitagi does in Mayoi Snail, THEN she'd be a lolita. I will admit, however, that what she says in the CM for her DVD, is quite suggestive...but I'm going to have to read the novels to find out the context, if that's where it was taken from.)

I think that in our language nowadays it is just more easier to refer to a person as the feeling they induce in us.

As for Nadeko, all I can say is that she is definitely sexually precocious. Like how everyone here refers to her as the "last boss" she is just might be an enemy lurking around in the shadows. And the best part is that Hitagi is not aware of her existence...unless Kanbaru said anything. Besides, Koyomi himself finds Nadeko to be sexually deviant....at least that's what I got.

karice67

2010-03-05, 06:56

As for Nadeko, all I can say is that she is definitely sexually precocious. Like how everyone here refers to her as the "last boss" she is just might be an enemy lurking around in the shadows. And the best part is that Hitagi is not aware of her existence...unless Kanbaru said anything. Besides, Koyomi himself finds Nadeko to be sexually deviant....at least that's what I got.
Er...how do you feel she is sexually deviant? Or to be more specific, how is she acting beyond her years in terms of sexual behaviour (flirting, being promiscuous etc)?

I just rewatched her scenes in episode 11, and whilst she definitely might induce inappropriate reactions out of most guys, she doesn't seem to do that intentionally. All I got out of it was that she is really really naive (even if she is sensitive about how others look at her, e.g. Shinobu).

Unless she's a really good actress, of course.

As for her scene in episode 14...it's not as if Koyomi can see her and know what she's wearing. And I have actually known someone who wore lingerie to bed in elementary school, if you think that is an indication of someone's sexual self-awareness.

As I alluded to before, her "I'll teach you, using your body" in the DVD CM, seems to be the most suggestive she intentionally gets, at least to me.

As for Koyomi's view...I feel that his actions - lifting up her skirt, his reaction to being able to hold on to the swimming costume - that's in some way his reaction to her been too cute, too "moe"! so-to-speak, for words. And he actually feels that it's wrong to be lifting up her skirt, which suggests to me that he sees her as a pure thing to be protected.

Of course...I'm probably influenced also by the discussion in the 4th atogatari...where Kamiya Hiroshi and Hanazawa Kana touch on how Nadeko makes guys feel like they want to protect her...

Tsuchi

2010-03-05, 07:42

I fully agree with karice67 here, but I'd like to add a few details.

Thankfully enough, characters in Bakemonogatari can't be fully enclosed in a stereotype. They're nothing close to being completely plain and they give you quite some surprises.

Hachikuji is my favorite character in the series because she's kinda unusual. She can act like a child and the next second she can be giving wise advice to Araragi. She seems to be a suspiciously good source of information sometimes. Then they fight like two little kids the same age. Conversations with her have a special lucidity to them. It's hard to give her one of those "titles" (lolita, moe, tsundere or whatever). She seems nothing like sexually precocious not counting maybe a couple of jokes here or there. She, sometimes, even resembles an old lady in the body of a little girl.

Nadeko, on the other hand, is a full-fledged "moe" character... except for, yeah, that couple of details that were mentioned in this page. Which I consider just a playful misdirection game from the author to the readers/watchers. That scene with the lingerie made me chuckle. Not to mention the "2 gaijin" scene at Episode 10.

Seeing things from Araragi's perspective could be kinda misleading anyway. See what happened with Hanekawa? He didn't seem to expect her to love him! At all!

This dude is quite dense sometimes.

How old is Nadeko supposed to be, anyway? 16?

karice67

2010-03-05, 07:57

How old is Nadeko supposed to be, anyway? 16?
She's Tsukihi's age - maybe 13/14? (I'd wager novel readers might be able to tell us). Young enough for "lolita" to be used...except that she doesn't act or think like one.

And word on how Hachikuji shouldn't just be pigeon-holed, and on the fact that we should remembered that we're looking at Bakemonogatari through Araragi-tinted glasses.

Jin Kizuite

2010-03-05, 08:16

So basically, everyone here loves Nadeko. *Starts Nadeko Fan club and dies again from her cuteness*

Morbus

2010-03-05, 08:31

I don't.

She's too young, she's too bland, and uninteresting.

omimon

2010-03-05, 10:59

Er...how do you feel she is sexually deviant? Or to be more specific, how is she acting beyond her years in terms of sexual behaviour (flirting, being promiscuous etc)?

I just rewatched her scenes in episode 11, and whilst she definitely might induce inappropriate reactions out of most guys, she doesn't seem to do that intentionally. All I got out of it was that she is really really naive (even if she is sensitive about how others look at her, e.g. Shinobu).

Unless she's a really good actress, of course.

As for her scene in episode 14...it's not as if Koyomi can see her and know what she's wearing. And I have actually known someone who wore lingerie to bed in elementary school, if you think that is an indication of someone's sexual self-awareness.

As I alluded to before, her "I'll teach you, using your body" in the DVD CM, seems to be the most suggestive she intentionally gets, at least to me.

As for Koyomi's view...I feel that his actions - lifting up her skirt, his reaction to being able to hold on to the swimming costume - that's in some way his reaction to her been too cute, too "moe"! so-to-speak, for words. And he actually feels that it's wrong to be lifting up her skirt, which suggests to me that he sees her as a pure thing to be protected.

Of course...I'm probably influenced also by the discussion in the 4th atogatari...where Kamiya Hiroshi and Hanazawa Kana touch on how Nadeko makes guys feel like they want to protect her...

SPOIL to the MAX!!
During the snake arc, Araragi said that he will visit Nadeko in her one day and that's what he did during the summer. When he got there it seems that she was home alone so he thought that he should go home, but before he could say anything she instantly locked the door. She was at the time also dressed very whorish-like. Anyways she fed Araragi alcohol chocolate and super-carbonated soda that supposely give an alcohol-like effect. She then purposed that they should play the "King's Game" which is basically Truth or Dare but without the truth part. Araragi said that it is impossible to play that game with two people so they ended up playing twister. All in all she pretty much threw herself at him.

Marion

2010-03-05, 15:24

Mayoi is completely depraved. How can THAT be moe :\

In any case, I see what you guys mean, but I don't really understand the reason why "moe" exists as a definition, because it's so subtle... But thanks for the clarification.
How is she depraved? Because she calls Araragi a pervert and a virgin? Well of course she knows what they mean, seeing as she's probably around her 20's technically (died 10 years ago, is probably around 10 to 12 when she died) and you can't deny that Araragi is a bit of a pervert (I mean, he tries to grope her whenever he sees her) and she just guessed her was a virgin because of it.

SPOIL to the MAX!!
During the snake arc, Araragi said that he will visit Nadeko in her one day and that's what he did during the summer. When he got there it seems that she was home alone so he thought that he should go home, but before he could say anything she instantly locked the door. She was at the time also dressed very whorish-like. Anyways she fed Araragi alcohol chocolate and super-carbonated soda that supposely give an alcohol-like effect. She then purposed that they should play the "King's Game" which is basically Truth or Dare but without the truth part. Araragi said that it is impossible to play that game with two people so they ended up playing twister. All in all she pretty much threw herself at him.

um...wow.

Kanon

2010-03-05, 16:51

SPOIL to the MAX!!
During the snake arc, Araragi said that he will visit Nadeko in her one day and that's what he did during the summer. When he got there it seems that she was home alone so he thought that he should go home, but before he could say anything she instantly locked the door. She was at the time also dressed very whorish-like. Anyways she fed Araragi alcohol chocolate and super-carbonated soda that supposely give an alcohol-like effect. She then purposed that they should play the "King's Game" which is basically Truth or Dare but without the truth part. Araragi said that it is impossible to play that game with two people so they ended up playing twister. All in all she pretty much threw herself at him.

I'm not that surprised by this since I figured out Nadeko isn't as innocent as she looks a long time ago, but wow... that's some nice stuff. I would have LOVED to see that animated. OVA please?

karice67

2010-03-05, 18:22

SPOIL to the MAX!!
During the snake arc, Araragi said that he will visit Nadeko in her one day and that's what he did during the summer. When he got there it seems that she was home alone so he thought that he should go home, but before he could say anything she instantly locked the door. She was at the time also dressed very whorish-like. Anyways she fed Araragi alcohol chocolate and super-carbonated soda that supposely give an alcohol-like effect. She then purposed that they should play the "King's Game" which is basically Truth or Dare but without the truth part. Araragi said that it is impossible to play that game with two people so they ended up playing twister. All in all she pretty much threw herself at him.
You know, I would have believed if you'd said something like "wait til you read the novels" or something.

I'm looking forward to reading these novels. There is a question of whether this is what she was like originally, or whether it's development that's happened because she's become more confident and has also realised that Araragi is just that dense. Though given that we see everything through his eyes, I suppose we'll never know. :heh:

Oh, and going back to Nadeko's age. From ep 9, Koyomi is four years older, so she's around 14...

Azuma Denton

2010-03-05, 20:22

Tsuchi

2010-03-06, 07:32

SPOIL to the MAX!!
During the snake arc, Araragi said that he will visit Nadeko in her one day and that's what he did during the summer. When he got there it seems that she was home alone so he thought that he should go home, but before he could say anything she instantly locked the door. She was at the time also dressed very whorish-like. Anyways she fed Araragi alcohol chocolate and super-carbonated soda that supposely give an alcohol-like effect. She then purposed that they should play the "King's Game" which is basically Truth or Dare but without the truth part. Araragi said that it is impossible to play that game with two people so they ended up playing twister. All in all she pretty much threw herself at him.
Now I'm chuckling even more.
Oh, and going back to Nadeko's age. From ep 9, Koyomi is four years older, so she's around 14...
Ah, right, that's true. Thanks for the reminder.

...My appreciation towards Nadeko has increased.

Morbus

2010-03-06, 08:52

How is she depraved? Because she calls Araragi a pervert and a virgin? Well of course she knows what they mean, seeing as she's probably around her 20's technically (died 10 years ago, is probably around 10 to 12 when she died) and you can't deny that Araragi is a bit of a pervert (I mean, he tries to grope her whenever he sees her) and she just guessed her was a virgin because of it.
"Depraved" isn't the right word. Crazy. Psychotic, something like that.

I'm not that surprised by this since I figured out Nadeko isn't as innocent as she looks a long time ago, but wow... that's some nice stuff. I would have LOVED to see that animated. OVA please?
Possibly next season. There's room to rearrange the chronology, AFAIK.

Thoguht

2010-03-07, 04:23

She's too young, she's too bland, and uninteresting.

As a song from The Sound of Music once put it:

Your life, little girl, is an empty page that men will want to write on.

At the time, it seemed cute. Now in these days of political correctness, it seems almost threatening. But the underlying truth is that people become interesting partly because of their experiences. Just give her time.

DragoZERO

2010-03-07, 15:39

Finally got around to watching this. Great episode, really funny. Tsundere service was really good too. Hitagi FTW!

SPOIL to the MAX!!
During the snake arc, Araragi said that he will visit Nadeko in her one day and that's what he did during the summer. When he got there it seems that she was home alone so he thought that he should go home, but before he could say anything she instantly locked the door. She was at the time also dressed very whorish-like. Anyways she fed Araragi alcohol chocolate and super-carbonated soda that supposely give an alcohol-like effect. She then purposed that they should play the "King's Game" which is basically Truth or Dare but without the truth part. Araragi said that it is impossible to play that game with two people so they ended up playing twister. All in all she pretty much threw herself at him.They should have went for a full 24 episode series and not cut all of the good stuff. :heh:

Full Metal Coast

2010-03-08, 21:14

top episode. after watching this it really reminded me of how good a series Bakemonogatarti really is. cant wait for 15.

loved neko-hanekawa and tsundere-service.

Konakaga

2010-03-09, 12:27

BTW, do you know who was cosplaying as Hanekawa in OP?

I thought it said some was Yui Horie herself[Seiyu for her], or I am mistaken?

kakajd

2010-03-17, 17:10

Full Metal Coast

2010-03-17, 20:29

hey, brand new to the forum and love this anime, the only thing i dont understand is how there going to finish off everything and tie it up in only one more episode.

thought episode 14 was pretty good, good ending and 15 will hopefully come out soon.

all they will be finishing is the Nadeko arc which will finish season 1 (hopefully we get more seasons)

there are more novels though that the series didnt cover and we can just hope that on how well Bakemonogatari did that they decide to commit and animate all the light novels.

kakajd

2010-03-18, 07:44

all they will be finishing is the Nadeko arc which will finish season 1 (hopefully we get more seasons)

there are more novels though that the series didnt cover and we can just hope that on how well Bakemonogatari did that they decide to commit and animate all the light novels.

yeah i hope so too, would suck if we didnt.
i didnt realize there was even a chance for more seasons, thought it was going to end after 15, at least thres a chance.

karice67

2010-03-18, 09:59

I take it you mean the Tsubasa Cat arc...

Full Metal Coast

2010-03-18, 21:47

I take it you mean the Tsubasa Cat arc...

yeah thats right sorry about that. must of had a mental blank yesterday.

Konakaga

2010-03-21, 06:55

yeah i hope so too, would suck if we didnt.
i didnt realize there was even a chance for more seasons, thought it was going to end after 15, at least thres a chance.

Given the material left from what people have said about should be enough for number[5~10] of episodes post Tsubasa arc, and some to be prequel[?], and really given the sales of the show I can't imagine that shaft wouldn't want to animate it :heh:.

kakajd

2010-03-21, 11:51

Given the material left from what people have said about should be enough for number[5~10] of episodes post Tsubasa arc, and some to be prequel[?], and really given the sales of the show I can't imagine that shaft wouldn't want to animate it :heh:.

cool, the more episodes the better, and it really has been amazing so i dont see why it shouldnt be continued either.

Is there any new word on episode 15 or is it still set for around june?

also if anyone could give me a good english site where i could find out more information on release dates that would be awesome, thanks.

Morbus

2010-03-21, 18:33

Well, it'd be great if they animate more series, but I'm just generally happy that this series is getting good attention. With the money they get and the attention it receives, we can only expect more stuff like this to be released, original or not.

jersjay

2010-03-21, 20:37

They've used up 2 of the eventual 7 novels... aka they have plenty to work with.

Malkuth

2010-03-22, 08:01

7 novels? Do you count unpublished ones? Last time I checked there were 2 Bake, 1 Kizu and 2 Nise :uhoh: I think I read somewhere that were will be two more this year, out of which one's focus is Tsubasa :D

jersjay

2010-03-22, 13:41

AC730

2010-04-08, 11:05

That's why I said "eventual"

When you say 'eventual', I can only imagine the agony of waiting for them to process the entire series like they do now.
But other than that, I would love for them to announce Kizumonogatari as their next animation project. ;)

omimon

2010-04-08, 11:34

When you say 'eventual', I can only imagine the agony of waiting for them to process the entire series like they do now.
But other than that, I would love for them to announce Kizumonogatari as their next animation project. ;)

From the news I got, it'll be at least a year or so.

AC730

2010-04-08, 21:37

From the news I got, it'll be at least a year or so.

Well that's good to hear.
Still quite general but no set date, like episode 15 of Bakemonogatari :mad:
I know that 15 is going to be released before June 9th.
Hello Mid-Term Exams :confused:

Where did you hear this from?

omimon

2010-04-09, 02:54

Well that's good to hear.
Still quite general but no set date, like episode 15 of Bakemonogatari :mad:
I know that 15 is going to be released before June 9th.
Hello Mid-Term Exams :confused:

Where did you hear this from?

2010/01 Dance in The Vampire Bund
2010/01 Hidamari Sketch Hoshimitsu
2010/04 Arakawa Under the Bridge
2010/07 Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru
2010/10 Arakawa Under the Bridge 2

2011 Negima the Movie

Supposely this is news from one of the animators from Shaft.

Got this from the Arakawa thread.

AC730

2010-04-09, 06:52

And so the wait begins...

ac3y

2010-04-16, 19:36

Watching this episode made me realize how I missed Bakemonogatari.

Velsy

2010-05-18, 20:22

Got around to watching it just now, I was in no rush because the 15th was taking for ever.

At first I thought the black neko was going to betray him! Which it was kinda nice that they spent some time together. It didnt turn out as bad as I thought it would be and the black neko was kinda funnny.

The first 30 seconds of Senjougahara I was getting frustrated at what she was saying, Its a first I felt that way towards her. But!!! then the next 30 seconds it all made sense and she had a very good answer. I ended up liking her even more after that ^_~

3rdly....... Kobato!!!!! oh wait, just the same voice actor keke. But thats kinda cool ^_^

4thly, I've wanted to see Shinobu have more involvment in the story. Kinda sad it's only 12 um 14 no 15 episodes. So I guess its all cramped in.

also, one of the worse OPs I have ever seen..............Well amung them at least

oh and the best bit..... of the whole episode.... is when Neko-chan asked her to love classrep-chan. Then Senjougahara goes snip with the siccors! Did anyone else feel that was a warning ? ^_^

Konakaga

2010-05-18, 22:04

also, one of the worse OPs I have ever seen..............Well amung them at least

oh and the best bit..... of the whole episode.... is when Neko-chan asked her to love classrep-chan. Then Senjougahara goes snip with the siccors! Did anyone else feel that was a warning ? ^_^

I agree the animation for it was odd/bad even for shaft, though I quite like the actual song from it :p.

And on second thing I got the feeling too, since we all know how "well" Hitagi would react to that happening, right? :uhoh:

Yurielvtars

2010-05-20, 08:14

I personally liked the Tsubasa OP. The song was nice too, a bit clichéd.
IMHO the reason behind the live-action OP is to make a connection with the Hitagi OP.
The songs somewhat represent the girls feelings towards the main protagonist.
Koyomi has a two-way love interest with Hitagi and Tsubasa only. One of them is confessed, though.

kitten320

2010-06-19, 14:11

Just how long does this anime keep having only 14 episodes? 0_o

Aren't there suppoused to be 15?

Marion

2010-06-20, 00:07

Just how long does this anime keep having only 14 episodes? 0_o

Aren't there suppoused to be 15?
Constant delays have postponed the release of the 15th episode. It will be out probably before the end of July.

Haak

2010-06-20, 08:32

Just how long does this anime keep having only 14 episodes? 0_o

Aren't there suppoused to be 15?

The last three episodes had to be aired on the web instead of on the TV. The problem is, is that Shaft is so understaffed that it's taken over half a year for these last three episodes to be released, much to the frustration to us die hard fans. They hadn't actually finished making these episodes. They still haven't finished making episode 15.