One Piece - Chapter 579 (manga)

[nicepace]

In a military system, if you act on your own impulse, you'll be punished or kicked out.

If anyone actually ate a Devil Fruit without permission in the Marines, they'll probably be put into jail as well. They probably won't even be kicked out because they may become pirates.

Devil Fruits are a form of weapon and power, I'm sure they won't let anyone possess such dangerous abilities easily.

hmm...

for sure I think I found one of the reason why The Former Commodore Drake leave the marines... to give an Ancient Zoan Type to the marine... wew that would be pain in the ass... hehe...:heh::heh::heh:

[Prestige]

So.... according to aohige, it looks like OP's going to be taking a break after chapter 580 comes out. Just a heads-up, guys......

This is not real suprise, I had been expecting for a break for a 3 weeks now, I am suprised that this streak lasted even this long.

Well Oda deserves his rests and he usually times his break with Golden week so we get 2 full weeks without OP fixes.

[Orath]

Am not sure about Oda's break urgency. I bet he has up to Ch1000 in a sealed safe in some secret cave, and every time he gets a break he goes fetch some of them and just hand it to Shonen Jump:rolleyes:

[anti-sasuke brigade]

i got a feeling coby will join luffys pirate crew after this arc, after what he have witness on how cruel world government is

[d' airscapez]

Oda deserves a break from all this quality work. :)

[C.A.]

Am not sure about Oda's break urgency. I bet he has up to Ch1000 in a sealed safe in some secret cave, and every time he gets a break he goes fetch some of them and just hand it to Shonen Jump:rolleyes:If you own his books, you'll know why he needs breaks.

There are already over 9000 pages of drawings in the manga, he also does many other One Piece books. We won't ever get to see how much conceptual and developmental drawings he's done, but just to let you know, he has entire books each dedicated to different aspects, like character development drawings, landscapes, even animals. He still needs to spends time to supervise and direct the anime and movies.

On top of that he is also a husband and father.

[Orath]

If you own his books, you'll know why he needs breaks.

There are already over 9000 pages of drawings in the manga, he also does many other One Piece books. We won't ever get to see how much conceptual and developmental drawings he's done, but just to let you know, he has entire books each dedicated to different aspects, like character development drawings, landscapes, even animals. He still needs to spends time to supervise and direct the anime and movies.

On top of that he is also a husband and father.

I was sarcastic in my post :meh:.

On a somewhat serious note, can't we make a petition to have OP release two chapters a week! they can cancel Bleach or Naruto to make room for it :heh:.

[zetzet]

You think Mihawk can match Shanks blow for blow (in a serious fight, not a sword duel)? Mihawk is the best swordsman (according to his title), but Shanks is sure to have some other trick up his sleeve to topple Mihawk's greater swordsmanship (Haōshoku Haki to name one).

Shanks said he came to stop the war, not to partcipate in it it (nor is he, I assume, meaning to "stop" the war by helping Blackbeard destroy the marines) and I'm curious what Shanks plans are (or maybe Ben Backmen is the one laying down the importent plan details in Shanks crew, seeing as Oda said he was the smartest one around^).

Shanks should be in a good position to come to an agreement with the marines, seeing as they are hardly fit to handle another Yonkou and his crew in their state (with the majority of WB commanders+crew still fighting and Blackbeard Pirates laying waste to Marinford). The marines have achieved their goal; both Ace and Whitebeard sleeps the deep sleep and they should want to concentrate on Blackbeard and his guys.








do you think dragon will appear

[morbosfist]

do you think dragon will appearNot during this war. If he's going to appear anywhere, he might show up to give Robin a lift back to Sabaody.

[Xellos-_^]

Not during this war. If he's going to appear anywhere, he might show up to give Robin a lift back to Sabaody.
i think Oda needs to put out a good reason why he didn't show up. The WG/WB showdown would have been a great opportunity to take out some of the Marines best.

[cors8]

i got a feeling coby will join luffys pirate crew after this arc, after what he have witness on how cruel world government is

I don't think he'll join Luffy's crew. More likely, if it happens at all, a different faction of the Marines will be created with Smoker, Taishigi, Coby, and some others who object to the cruelty and methods displayed.

[Poetic Justice]

I'm very interested in seeing how the strawhat connection will be resolved between shanks and luffy. There is no doubt that Luffy will get the strawhat back, But after going to the new world or before?

[marvelB]

Hey, Dragon talk! Looks like I may have been a little hasty about my comment from a couple of pages ago, after all. :p



Also, this is a bit off-topic, but since we were talking about breaks some posts back, I'm actually kinda surprised that Togashi hasn't taken another of his...... "sabbaticals" yet. Not that I'm complaining or anything (after all, the more HxH, the better :D), but I thought the agreement was that he'd take a break every 10 chapters, right? Now it's been about 12 chapters and no news of a hiatus has been announced so far. Maybe Togashi realized that it'll be a good while before the next DQ comes out, and has actually decided to work to pass the time? :p

[John D.]

do you think dragon will appear
My pet theory is that Dragon won't show up at Marinford, but afterward we'll hear that he launched an aggresive (and succesful) campaign at WG's territories weakened by the big gathering of marine personal at Marinford.

[randomlex]

I thought it was a bit weird that Dragon didn't show up. But then I realized that he probably doesn't have anything against the Marines. The Revolutionaries are fighting the Government directly, which are the Gorousei (that's what they're called, right?) and probably the nobles.

They don't have to fight the Marines, as they're just taking orders from the higher authority, the Gorousei.

As in real revolutions, you fight the army only if absolutely necessary. If not, you go straight for the head. If Dragon overthrows the Gorousei, he'll have control of the Marines. Simple as that.

A lot of successful coups involved getting the revolutionaries into key places of the government, sometimes avoiding the military completely, and swiftly taking control by taking down the last remaining important figures of the state, then declaring the creation of the new Republic/Empire/Democracy/Dictatorship/Whatever.

[Xellos-_^]

I thought it was a bit weird that Dragon didn't show up. But then I realized that he probably doesn't have anything against the Marines. The Revolutionaries are fighting the Government directly, which are the Gorousei (that's what they're called, right?) and probably the nobles.

They don't have to fight the Marines, as they're just taking orders from the higher authority, the Gorousei.

As in real revolutions, you fight the army only if absolutely necessary. If not, you go straight for the head. If Dragon overthrows the Gorousei, he'll have control of the Marines. Simple as that.

A lot of successful coups involved getting the revolutionaries into key places of the government, sometimes avoiding the military completely, and swiftly taking control by taking down the last remaining important figures of the state, then declaring the creation of the new Republic/Empire/Democracy/Dictatorship/Whatever.

you think someone like akainu will take orders form Dragon just because he just the nobles?

i seriously doubt the marines will start taking orders form dragon even if the wg collaspe.

overthrowing the government is the easy, it is re-establishing a new government is going to be the real hard part.

[John D.]

While the different countries of the World Governant have military forces (as Alabasta), the Marines are a neutral force directly under the command of the WG and most of the higher cast among the marines have fully embraced the ideals of the WG (Sengoku, Akainu, many of the VA's, Kizuro to an unknown degree). If Dragon pull a suprise hit on the Gorousei and take them out I don't think the marines will bend the knee to Dragon.

We do not know exactly what sort of ideals Dragon stand for and what sort of governant he wants, but we can guess it's a revoltionary change from the WG, and I simply can't see the marines accept that. Not unless Sengoku, Akainu etc. are removed (or have a stunning change of heart) and the marines higher officiers (Fleet Admiral, Admirals, VA's) share Coby's beliefs. (That is how I think it'll play out though, Coby will be the pebble in the pool and overtime the marines will change)

[mr.muscles]

Ok i don't know if im the only one or not but my ultimate favorite part was when Ben beckman told kizaru not to move a muscle and kizaru literal raised his hands and looked, or at least sounded, scared.
does this mean kizaru knows ben can kill him? does that mean Shanks pirate crew is that much stronger than whitebeards?

[cheese4u]

Ok i don't know if im the only one or not but my ultimate favorite part was when Ben beckman told kizaru not to move a muscle and kizaru literal raised his hands and looked, or at least sounded, scared.
does this mean kizaru knows ben can kill him? does that mean Shanks pirate crew is that much stronger than whitebeards?

We've seen enough of kizaru to know that's just his thing. He calls everyone scary in an almost sarcastic manner, and then owns them. Albeit this time Kizaru may actually have cause to be concerned considering Beckman (I would imagine) is at least as strong as Marco perhaps even stronger So him stopping in his tracks is most likely legit, him being scared is probably just Kizaru being Kizaru.

[james0246]

^I read the expression as Kizaru simply goofing off again...but, he did smile when facing Rayleigh as well, and we know, somewhat, how that turned out...

edit: damn cell connection, cheese4u beat me to the punch :)...

[mr.muscles]

that makes sense
can't wait to see what next chapter has in store

[Slayerx]

i think Oda needs to put out a good reason why he didn't show up. The WG/WB showdown would have been a great opportunity to take out some of the Marines best.

Well one good reason would be that if he showed up to this war, then it would appear as though he was helping whitebeard. When it comes down to it, whitebeard is considered a villain to most of the people of the world; if Dragon comes out and is seen as aiding pirates, then he could loose a lot of public favor... one of the keys to a successful revolution is getting the people on you're side and dragon will not earn tat if he is helping some of the world's most notorious criminals.

[Wargumm1i]

Well one good reason would be that if he showed up to this war, then it would appear as though he was helping whitebeard. When it comes down to it, whitebeard is considered a villain to most of the people of the world; if Dragon comes out and is seen as aiding pirates, then he could loose a lot of public favor... one of the keys to a successful revolution is getting the people on you're side and dragon will not earn tat if he is helping some of the world's most notorious criminals.

Indeed he is trying too overthrow the WG and not aid pirates, but he does view pirates as freedom fighters lol, or people who follow there own freedom and do not allow the WG rules too bind them.

But if he does plan on earning the worlds or public favor against WG then he has too show no sign of love for the Pirates, either ignore them or stop powerful ones.

[ashesatdusk]

I don't think dragon has an issue with aiding pirates, Kuma obviously has ties to the revolutionary Army. I think its more it probably doesn't match his goals or his style. We don't have a lot of information on dragon, but the info revolutionary army seems to focus on getting countries to over throw their governments, and are in the shadows. From everything we know about dragon, he himself is in the shadows and little is known about his whereabouts or location. Ivanakov her/himself was in hiding until Luffy came along.


It may simply be that he doesn't think this an event is the right time for him to reveal himself out in the open.

[cheese4u]

edit: damn cell connection, cheese4u beat me to the punch :)...

Haha, I know it always drives me crazy when that happens. :heh:

[Xellos-_^]

Well one good reason would be that if he showed up to this war, then it would appear as though he was helping whitebeard. When it comes down to it, whitebeard is considered a villain to most of the people of the world; if Dragon comes out and is seen as aiding pirates, then he could loose a lot of public favor... one of the keys to a successful revolution is getting the people on you're side and dragon will not earn tat if he is helping some of the world's most notorious criminals.

not everyone through. While some probably view Whitebeard as a villian other also viewing him as Robinhood type (fisherman isle). And there is also plenty of real world historical examples of bandidts being recurited to the regular army and raising up the ranks too. i don't see Dragon being view as a allied to pirates as that bad especially when weight against the opportunity to knock a few of the Marines higher ups and to recruit a few of the WB's pirates.

[Fipskuul]

I don't think WG would want to face Shanks in addition to the rest they are fighting, so I wonder how they will put an end to this fight in a way that will not disgrace their name and honor, while everyone watching the ongoing battle around the world...

[Hisoka??]

why didn't 8/10 of the marines start frothing at the mouth and collapse now that Shanks is here? If he had that effect on White beard's crew, the same should apply for the marine grunts.

[morbosfist]

why didn't 8/10 of the marines start frothing at the mouth and collapse now that Shanks is here? If he had that effect on White beard's crew, the same should apply for the marine grunts.Shanks did that to Whitebeard's crew on purpose. He presumably isn't doing so now because he wants to stop the fighting, not provoke further conflict.

[james0246]

Don't worry, next chapter 60 plus thousand marines will collapse in a heap, leaving only the top marines fighting against the top pirates...then the other Yonkou will show up...and Tom will pull up with Mei-Ō Rayleigh in tow...then, just for kicks, Fisher Tiger will crawl out of his grave...in other words, it'll be a bad day to be a marine...

[mechalord]

Most pirates aren't good guys. Blackbeard, for example, is not a good guy.

Luffy isn't real pirate. The Straw Hats are kind of like the A Team. They are mercenary do-gooders that kind of work for nothing.

A lot of the dudes Luffy has fought have been pirates.


A lot of those pirates get by through pirating, preying on unarmed civilian and government vessels.

[ashesatdusk]

Luffy isn't real pirate. The Straw Hats are kind of like the A Team. They are mercenary do-gooders that kind of work for nothing.

A lot of the dudes Luffy has fought have been pirates.


A lot of those pirates get by through pirating, preying on unarmed civilian and government vessels.

This was more or less explained in one of the Romance Dawns, the first chapter of One piece and the title of two other "prototype" chapters about one piece. There are two types of pirates in Oda's world Morganeers, which are your traditional pillage and plunder pirates, and the other is piece mains who are pirates who are on the see looking for adventure. Peace mains get by from feeding on Morganeers.

In the main one piece story line these distinctions were never introduced, but luffy still seems to fall into the category of being a peace main.

All that being said Pirate in the world of One piece is a lot like an Out law in Outlaw star, its essentially a symbol denoting freedom on the seas it does not mean they break any laws, its simply they don't adhere to them (they don't do something unless they don't want to).

[kari-no-sugata]

I would say that pirates in the One Piece world are groups of people who answer only to themselves (doing what they find "fun") and are not bound to any location, travelling mostly by sea.

Sea-faring anarchists, in a way (using the broad meaning of "anarchism").

This leads to a lot of variation, unsurprisingly. Some pirates are more libertarian than others, some more authoritarian (in a "might makes right" sense). For some, "fun" involves attacking and stealing or wealth and power, and for some "fun" means "adventure".

[marvelB]

New chapter thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2979400#post2979400) has been made. And the result of the war is.....!?