Ichigo 100%

[coolhuman96]

I would place it as the sweetest moment in the series, finally Junpei in a real relationship! :love:

Few other sweet spots for me is:
1. Junpei being depress after seeing his prep class test score and Aya ignoring him (he thought she has a BF and now they can’t talk as friends), he later unintentionally knowing, went to Nishino work place for comfort and support, it was very sweet moment for me.
2. Teaching him not to give up easily during the swim practice.

yeah me too
finally they are doing it the correct way
i really like nishino than the others:D:D

[coolhuman96]

i just finished reading it
its truly is touching

hey vansonbee,
do u know anymore mizuki kawashita's comic series?

[Lexxus]

Ane Doki!
Boku no Idol (one shot)
Kanojo to Natsu to Boku (one shot)
Hatsukoi Limited
Koorihime Kitan (one shot)
Sonezaki Shinjuu (one shot)
Akiiro Bousou Biyori (one shot)
Lilim Kiss
Ichigo 100%

These are Mizuki Kawashita's works. Most of them are one shot released.

[Westlo]

If you haven't seen II's I suggest you read that instead as well as Video Girl A.I by the same mangaka.

[coolhuman96]

If you haven't seen II's I suggest you read that instead as well as Video Girl A.I by the same mangaka.

give me the url or a website to search for this manga

[coolhuman96]

Ane Doki!
Boku no Idol (one shot)
Kanojo to Natsu to Boku (one shot)
Hatsukoi Limited
Koorihime Kitan (one shot)
Sonezaki Shinjuu (one shot)
Akiiro Bousou Biyori (one shot)
Lilim Kiss
Ichigo 100%

These are Mizuki Kawashita's works. Most of them are one shot released.

is it all english translated?

[coolhuman96]

what happen to kozue & amachi?

[recover]

what happen to kozue & amachi?

nothing...lol, just side characters that were not "that" pivotal to the plot. you can possibly argue for the latter.

good luck with the other works, i personally liked hatsukoi limited (anime) and that was about it.

[vansonbee]

Hatsukoi Limited - I only watched the anime version, I liked it.
(G) EDITION - Her new ongoing series, its like Doremon + ecchi
Boku no Idol - very short, but I like it

Sadly I don't really enjoy her other series, Ichigo 100% was the longest series for her and its the best.

[Saber024]

yeah its very sad to know that we are too late

favorite scene? yes
all the part when nishino is with manaka
especially the part when they go for a trip for 3 days

sad scene? yes also
the part when toujo and kitaoji been taken away from manaka
quite mad when amachi is there with toujo all the time


we are kindred spirits hehehe.

i actually necro-posted this thread. then vansonbee replied. then all the Ichigo 100% came back :D

[Saber024]

i've read Ane Doki (Loved it) Hatsukoi Limited (ended too soon), Lilim Kiss ("Wild" Aya Toujo)

i can't seem to find the other one-shots (boku no idol, kanojo...) can anyone point me in the right direction?

[Lexxus]

You check those manga ni mangafox if you like. All of them are still there except Ichigo 100%.

[Saber024]

what happen to kozue & amachi?

kozue is a girl that should not have been introduced anymore....

[coolhuman96]

i agree ichigo 100% is the best
actually for me, the best manga i watch so far now is ichigo 100%

and Oooo wild aya toujo

[coolhuman96]

(G) EDITION has only 5 chapter?

[coolhuman96]

guys i cant find "Welcome to the NHK " manga anywhere
why?
could u give the link?

[vansonbee]

guys i cant find "Welcome to the NHK " manga anywhere
why?
could u give the link?
I will PM you about it

[Saber024]

You check those manga ni mangafox if you like. All of them are still there except Ichigo 100%.

thanks. i was able to read them all.

too bad most of them were one shots. i liked "Sonezaki Shinjuu" best

[coolhuman96]

hatsukoi limited has the same feeling as ichigo 100%
but its kinda complicated the story line
i dont quite understand what is happening

[coolhuman96]

hatsukoi limited is all about love triangles unlke ichigo100%

[recover]

imo, the "closest" you'll get to ichigo 100% is reading GE Good Ending. but TBH, there really is no series that comes close.

[Lexxus]

If you ask me, GE can even match ichigo or maybe slight if only not for the dark setting that SK is putting. IMO

[vansonbee]

If you ask me, GE can even match ichigo or maybe slight if only not for the dark setting that SK is putting. IMOCould of,

Yuki Trauma/response to Utsumi ruin it for me, plus the art is bit irriating when SK draws Yuki, compared to Mei/Shou, don't get me started with Risa either :uhoh:

[coolhuman96]

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[recover]

risa in GE is hot


maybe not satsuki hot tho

[coolhuman96]

wait why is Ge first chapter and second is the same but different?

[vansonbee]

wait why is Ge first chapter and second is the same but different?GE was gonna be a one shot, but than it turn into a series. This is my speculation~

risa in GE is hot


maybe not satsuki hot thoShou is cute in GE for me, Risa weird looking, Yuki looks/feels depressing :eyespin:

[Lexxus]

Shou is cute in GE for me, Risa weird looking, Yuki looks/feels depressing :eyespin:

Because that's how they portrayed in the manga based on their characteristics.

[Saber024]

i like the way yuki is drawn. Shou has the girl next door appeal. Risa is weird, i don't find her attractive. Mei is a more mature Shou

But Nishino is the best, hands down.

coolhuman, what's that on your sig? chap 124 the second night??

[Saber024]

imo, the "closest" you'll get to ichigo 100% is reading GE Good Ending. but TBH, there really is no series that comes close.

i agree, GE is close, but not too close. the character development of the main protag in GE was faster than in Ichigo, which i find is a good thing. I also noticed that it's easier to fall in love with the girls in Ichigo 100.

[coolhuman96]

i like the way yuki is drawn. Shou has the girl next door appeal. Risa is weird, i don't find her attractive. Mei is a more mature Shou

But Nishino is the best, hands down.

coolhuman, what's that on your sig? chap 124 the second night??

yeah its one of the cute scene that i like:p

[recover]

anyone else think that kawashita should quit her one-shots, and do an epic epilogue of the life of manaka/nishino sidelined with aya's career progression until they are all old, have kids, win pulitzer prizes etc...???

i need moar ichigo

[coolhuman96]

anyone else think that kawashita should quit her one-shots, and do an epic epilogue of the life of manaka/nishino sidelined with aya's career progression until they are all old, have kids, win pulitzer prizes etc...???

i need moar ichigo

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WAT HAVE HAPPEN TO THEM:meh:
I NEED MOAR TOOooooo..............

[coolhuman96]

she should like put the title "ichigo 100% again" and continue what is going on with the lives of everyone

[vansonbee]

anyone else think that kawashita should quit her one-shots, and do an epic epilogue of the life of manaka/nishino sidelined with aya's career progression until they are all old, have kids, win pulitzer prizes etc...???

i need moar ichigo
She should, I'm intrigue about the after story, not just for Nishino/Junpei, but the other heroines as well.

I wonder if their child would have blond hair or black lol

[Saber024]

anyone else think that kawashita should quit her one-shots, and do an epic epilogue of the life of manaka/nishino sidelined with aya's career progression until they are all old, have kids, win pulitzer prizes etc...???

i need moar ichigo

+1000 likes!

[Lexxus]

Yeah. I also want an epilogue like she did in Ane Doki.

[vansonbee]

I recently started watching Gintama the anime, there a funny references to Ichigo 100% in 12 minute mark of episode 62, its a Nishino/Manaka one.

[Lexxus]

What do you mean by episode 62? It only has 30 episodes so far.

[vansonbee]

What do you mean by episode 62? It only has 30 episodes so far.
The old one :)

[Lexxus]

Sorry my bad. I thought I read Beelzebub when it was Gintama. lol fail

[coolhuman96]

cool
if only mizuki can see this
maybe she would do it

[coolhuman96]

that suck
i dont know why but
i cant play the video gintama at all
in any website

i wonder why

[LeaD36]

i'm probably kinda late on the main character discussion on main girls in Ichigo 100% and GE but i guess i'd say :
No real comparison possible, since the roles and types of the girls are totally different.
I suppose Mei could be compared to Satsuki
And possibly Aya with Yuki but then again, Yuki is much more proactive and shows her feelings way more than Aya did.
Risa is indeed plain annoying for me tbh - She might be compareable to the Lolita girl whatever her name was (the chick from Manaka's prepschool class).
Shou, i luvs Shou, i'd have chosen her and stuck with her in Seiji's place, he's an idiot. She'd have to be the Tsukasa of GE, but she got the smallest chest (still luv her), whereas Tsukasa was nowhere near the top, but she wasn't the very bottom either. And she's clumsy. So fucking adorably clumsy. A hard worker, devoted, has a dream, nice, sociable, cute.
Dun have too much to say about Mei, she still have a lot of development incoming.

No real parallels possible, happy that the main heroines are so different in the stories, and the story lines aren't that cliché but original, or very relatable to oneself.

GE is definitly top, but it needs more HHHHNNNNGGGG moments to be able to catch up to Ichigo, but i guess that'll come in time. The training camp arc and the few chapters before after were indeed quite HHHHHHNNNNNGGGG

[coolhuman96]

quite true
that the heroines are different
the storyline are different too

but i wish mizuki would make another comeback for ichigo 100%

[coolhuman96]

ichigo 100% which is complete
has 78 page
compared to GE which is still on going
it has 153 page
isn't it weird?

[vrz]

ichigo 100% which is complete
has 78 page
compared to GE which is still on going
it has 153 page
isn't it weird?

ichigo 100% has way more than 78 pages
ur talking about the manga right

[vansonbee]

ichigo 100% which is complete
has 78 page
compared to GE which is still on going
it has 153 page
isn't it weird?Elaborate! :eyespin:

What pages are you comparing?

[Saber024]

hi guys,

hope you're all having a good week.

since it seems like most of us enjoy the same genre, i was wondering if any of you have read Hoshi No Furu Machi


pretty good stuff, though i admit, the last word of the title made me take a look.

[vansonbee]

hi guys,

hope you're all having a good week.

since it seems like most of us enjoy the same genre, i was wondering if any of you have read Hoshi No Furu Machi


pretty good stuff, though i admit, the last word of the title made me take a look.Are you finish with it? How is it w/o spoiling to much? :uhoh:

[coolhuman96]

Elaborate! :eyespin:

What pages are you comparing?

=.=''
im comparing the thread page

[coolhuman96]

hi guys,

hope you're all having a good week.

since it seems like most of us enjoy the same genre, i was wondering if any of you have read Hoshi No Furu Machi


pretty good stuff, though i admit, the last word of the title made me take a look.

it has only 13 chapters

[vansonbee]

=.=''
im comparing the forum pagelol

Well Ichigo 100% was coming out 2002, but it offically notice by the American public around chapter 70's, during this time, translator busted their butts releasing 1-3 chapters per week, this link will explain in better detail than me Click me! (http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=5584417&postcount=86)

[coolhuman96]

lol

Well Ichigo 100% was coming out 2002, but it offically notice by the American public around chapter 70's, during this time, translator busted their butts releasing 1-3 chapters per week, this link will explain in better detail than me Click me! (http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=5584417&postcount=86)

wow
im glad that i read ichigo 100% a little bit late
or i would feel like dying

[Saber024]

wanna see Nishino in another story??? read Akane-chan Overdrive hehehehehe.

[coolhuman96]

ichigo 100% has way more than 78 pages
ur talking about the manga right

nope
i was talking about the thread in this forum

[coolhuman96]

wanna see Nishino in another story??? read Akane-chan Overdrive hehehehehe.

COOL..........

i have only read 4 chp but its so cool the story

[coolhuman96]

what the hell
akane chan overdrive ended just like that
it is so dissapointing!!!!!
and it started to be interesting about marriage

FAIL

[LeaD36]

if u wanna read a good manga about a funny type of marriage read magico (the one that is in jump 23 chapters out so far)

[YuriEcchiGirl]

I'm considering buying this series after a good while of toying with the idea :)

[coolhuman96]

One day im gonna buy ichigo 100% all of it
and put it on my shelf

[Saber024]

One day im gonna buy ichigo 100% all of it
and put it on my shelf

and my shelf will be next to it, full of Nishino figures :cool:

[coolhuman96]

and my shelf will be next to it, full of Nishino figures :cool:

LOL
yeah, that would be so :cool:

[Saber024]

coolhuman,

go read "Kimi No Iru Machi" quick.

[vansonbee]

coolhuman,

go read "Kimi No Iru Machi" quick.
But be aware, you might develop a hatred for the main characters and its lack of inconsistency in the story later on. :p

[LeaD36]

coolhuman,

go read "Kimi No Iru Machi" quick.

die a horrible death

if u liked ichigo do not read bullshit no iru machi

read hatsukoi limited! instead, although u'll rage cuz it's so short :(

[Saber024]

But be aware, you might develop a hatred for the main characters and its lack of inconsistency in the story later on. :p

if he reads KNIM, then he'll understand how great Ichigo 100% is :D

[recover]

its true, once u read other shonen romance mangas, u realize how special/unique ichigo 100 really was

[Undertaker]

if he reads KNIM, then he'll understand how great Ichigo 100% is :D


that's one way of looking it, Thought I have to say the Seo is starting to get KNIM back to respectable level, though it was still kind of laughable how main dude got slaughtered by ALL of his friend when he was actually doing the right thing breaking up with Asuka...

But IMO, I"s is still the king in the genre...

[recover]

hmm i"s was def up there. id probably recommend that after ichigo 100 and before suzuka.

iori didnt quite "pull at my heartstrings" quite like nishino. but the ending was pretty good. def beats Video Girl Ai.........which i could not stomach finishing

[Saber024]

still having difficulty finding "I's"...


anyways, doing some rereading on ch 60 -130+, Nishino was practically offering herself on a silver platter and i find that i'm a little bit sad for Toujo, it seemed like fate wanted them to meet but at the same time, Fate prevented them to be together.

but my ranking stays the same.

1st Nishino
2nd Satsuki
3rd Toujou
4th the grandma who always shows up (innkeeper, cake shop manager)

i don't consider Yui to be a love interest, but that's just my humble opinion.

[vansonbee]

still having difficulty finding "I's"...All I can say is, it was very obivious who the protagonist wanted and there wasn't an chance IMO for the runner up.
anyways, doing some rereading on ch 60 -130+, Nishino was practically offering herself on a silver platter and i find that i'm a little bit sad for Toujo, it seemed like fate wanted them to meet but at the same time, Fate prevented them to be together.After their first break-up, they became friends instead. Junpei thought it was okay to make-out/have sex on Nishino B-day, because they were once a couple. He even stated, that he didn't have the confidences back than (break-up chapter in Nishino room).

I believe Nishino was testing him in the chapter they were breaking-up, she just wanted to hold hands or kiss at least. She lacks confidences about her appearances, compared to Aya or Satsuki.

Ironic on how many fans say Aya was fated, when fate was against as well :eyespin: All the ordeal Nishino went through was a benefit to her relationship w/ Junpei, it strengthen their bonds and perspectives.

So what your thoughts during Nishino B-day, was she willing to have sex w/ Junpei or spending the night kissing/hugging?

[Saber024]

hehehe what i mean is that i STILL haven't read "I's". i don't know where to find it.

as Nishino Bday, i really think she had the notion of going all the way, if it came to that.

her saying "here i am covering it up when we'll be doing some more" attests to that.

but i believe that she would be just as happy just being with him, kissing and hugging.

BUT STILL, there were a lot of instance that she allowed a lot of liberties to Haruto before they went back together (under the temple, ferris wheel, bday)

[vansonbee]

hehehe what i mean is that i STILL haven't read "I's". i don't know where to find it.

as Nishino Bday, i really think she had the notion of going all the way, if it came to that.

her saying "here i am covering it up when we'll be doing some more" attests to that.

but i believe that she would be just as happy just being with him, kissing and hugging.

BUT STILL, there were a lot of instance that she allowed a lot of liberties to Haruto before they went back together (under the temple, ferris wheel, bday):eyespin:

Your never allow to post in here again!

[Saber024]

OMG!!!

sorry, was reading KNIM ch147 and posting here so i got mixed up!

hahahahaha

[LeaD36]

tits or gtfo
actually just gtfo

[recover]

such blasphemy in the holy thread of ichigo!!!!

[Saber024]

please forgive me! i'm already doing pull-ups while inside Komiyama's lips!!!

[vansonbee]

please forgive me! i'm already doing pull-ups while inside Komiyama's lips!!!:D:eyespin::twitch::heh:

[coolhuman96]

LOL
:D:heh:

[Lexxus]

Haruto getting mixed up in Ichigo 100% :heh:

[recover]

re-reading it again..

redundant question: did the mangaka ever say around what CHAPTER she decided to move the "main girl" from aya to nishino?

side point= chapter 39, manaka god dammit

[Lexxus]

redundant question: did the mangaka ever say around what CHAPTER she decided to move the "main girl" from aya to nishino?


I don't think she ever say something like that since if she does, it will make the manga less interesting. IMO

[vansonbee]

I don't think she ever say something like that since if she does, it will make the manga less interesting. IMO
I agree, even when Nishino was reintroduced back in the series, I didn't know it was a big plot twist later on :eyebrow:

[Saber024]

I don't think she ever say something like that since if she does, it will make the manga less interesting. IMO

she said something about it in the ending notes, but she didn't specify when.

[Saber024]

I don't think she ever say something like that since if she does, it will make the manga less interesting. IMO

re-reading it again..

redundant question: did the mangaka ever say around what CHAPTER she decided to move the "main girl" from aya to nishino?

side point= chapter 39, manaka god dammit

chapter 39, manaka god dammit die!

[Saber024]

finished reading Suzuka...not really a bad read. but i'm already spoiled here. Ichigo 100% is a lot better, though Manaka can learn a thing or two from Yamato

[Nemuru]

re-reading it again..

redundant question: did the mangaka ever say around what CHAPTER she decided to move the "main girl" from aya to nishino?

side point= chapter 39, manaka god dammit



lol, I think the question is did Aya recieve any development. If nothing more it was a flimsy fan's wish where the mangaka gave the win to Nishino by prolonging her series. Now, welcome to Nishino 100%.

[coolhuman96]

lol, I think the question is did Aya recieve any development. If nothing more it was a flimsy fan's wish where the mangaka gave the win to Nishino by prolonging her series. Now, welcome to Nishino 100%.

LOL
thats a good idea

[vansonbee]

LOL
thats a good ideaSecond this :D

[recover]

finished reading Suzuka...not really a bad read. but i'm already spoiled here. Ichigo 100% is a lot better, though Manaka can learn a thing or two from Yamato

yamato had his sights set on one girl for the entire series -

i think much of ichigo's charm was because manaka was so torn between the two main heroines.

i aint gonna lie, the 1st time through, i marathoned it and felt heavily in favor of aya right after i was done. i felt like she was left in the dust and that the nishino/manaka pairing was not right

after reading some posts about it, thinking about it more rationally, it all began to make sense

so, at the end of it all, i can say that it was masterful storytelling by the mangaka. you didn't really know how things would go until the end - and you can believe it could've gone either way; aya or nishino.

if yamato chose honoka (is that her name..lol) at the end, now that would've been silly

[vansonbee]

Why people think that he ended up with Nishino. Actually to whom he ended up with hasn't shown to us. It depends upon is to deduct through manga facts to find who he is going to end up with and that's why i think that the last chapter was incomplete. Mizuki should have shown a 7 year drift and then marriage of Manaka and Aya. Yes, I think that the person he chooses to end up with is Aya irrespective of the fact that the last page has Manaka sweeping Nishino from her feet for the following reasons

Even after the confession of Manaka for Nishino, he was giving more importance to Toujo as evident from the way he said in chapter 163 that if they had shared their feelings with each other before the confession then he would have chosen Toujo instead of Nishino. Then even when he knew that reading Toujo's novel will lead to problems in b/w him and Nishi but still he read that. all these things shows that Toujo was more important for him and he wanted to continue with Nishino after realizing that becasue he didn't want to break her heart and by the fear of getting confused again.

Nishino had actually entertained him all the time; she was never able to support him or give him a boost or to raise him up. The love of Manaka towards Nishino resembles to a typical school boy crush over a beautiful charming and sexy girl. Even after having Nishi as his girlfriend he wanted to go to and meet Toujo to discuss his problems and hence felt relieved

Even he realizes that in chapter 164 when he said that he and Nishino never went to any sensitive topic...is that kindness....then.....singing on purpose, being happy on purpose. Whereas he realized that instead of purposefully acting, Toujo understood him and hence supported him all the time as he noticed that in chapter 163.

He wasn’t able to understand the Math book story especially the ending in which hero ended up with his childhood friend and that ending had no relationship with why he rejected Aya. Moreover, that childhood friend in the story resembles to the old Toujo from long ago. That story concludes the ending; just like the hero of that story ended up with his friend just like that he is going to end with Toujo. It indicates that Toujo will act as a friend but while dating Nishino he will eventually found that this relationship has no meaning and so he will return to Aya. And Manaka knew that and that’s why he told Aya to wait until it seems like he can complete that movie because if he can complete that movie then that means he has understood why he should end up with Toujo not with Nishino and he said that since his friend and Aya are here so now he can complete that movie

So why he started dating with Nishino again it is just because of the conversation in b/w them 4 years ago when she was going to France and since he loved her at one time so he just wants to ensure her and himself that this relationship has no hope.

and that's why even if it is not shown that Manka is ending up with either of them but according to the manga facts it is evident that he will chose Aya in the end and so i think that the last chapter was incomplete. Mizuki should have shown the wedding of Aya and Manaka getting married. It would have created a "happy ending".I encounter the same exact post in mangafox by another poster, who copy/pasted this.

He had just finish reading "Ichigo 100%" recently and is raving about Aya not being the end girl :lol:

Its very understandable, the story is emotional roller coaster, if you rooted for a certain girl, but not excepting reality like the post above and twisting it w/ lies is sad...

[recover]

when i finished ichigo 100 the 1st time, i was upset that aya wasnt the pairing, but at least i accepted who manaka chose..

that guy..is delusional lol. rationalizing an ending that satisfies his desire - but like many people, im sure he will come around to understanding why nishino was the best

[Lexxus]

The ending was VERY CLEAR to whom Manaka end up with. LOL at the poster.

[vansonbee]

http://1.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/6333/01-001.2/compressed/e00.jpg

If you notice, this has almost all the Jump characters, can you find any of the "Ichigo 100%" characters or if there any? :D

[Lexxus]

Nishino is the only one I can see. She's above Ryoma Echizen of Prince of Tennis.

[vansonbee]

Nishino is the only one I can see. She's above Ryoma Echizen of Prince of Tennis.Ah thats his name...

Do you think this is official art or fan made? Because whoever did this, got almost everyone in Jump! Nishino representing Ichigo made me happy :p

[Saber024]

when i finished ichigo 100 the 1st time, i was upset that aya wasnt the pairing, but at least i accepted who manaka chose..

that guy..is delusional lol. rationalizing an ending that satisfies his desire - but like many people, im sure he will come around to understanding why nishino was the best

i'd have to agree. great rationalization. but the ending we were presented is Manaka sweeping Nishino off her feet after 4 yours, after the reunion with the FC gang.

i guess he's really an Aya diehard.

about my first marathon read.. i mentioned this... Manaka chose the girl i've rooted for at that start, and that's Nishino (Nishi sounds so...wrong)

[LeaD36]

Shino-chan sounds alright
and about that wallpaper posted a bit up, u can't really see the small chars mostly in the upper left since it's a low res pic

[recover]

up to chpt 77 in my re-reading

nishino clears up the misunderstanding regarding higure with manaka

dam shes awesome :'] shes perspective, kind, considerate and supportive - where r real life girls like dis

[vansonbee]

Question, in chapter 164 page 15, what does Junpei meant by Nishino kindness and than "or". What did you guys think the rest of would meant?
up to chpt 77 in my re-reading

nishino clears up the misunderstanding regarding higure with manaka

dam shes awesome :'] shes perspective, kind, considerate and supportive - where r real life girls like dislol@ Nishino for being a phenomenon to harem tropes.

In regards to chapter 77, I guess Nishino didn't get the memo, but she was suppose to cause more misunderstanding and grief for Junpei, so Aya could finally have a meaningful moment with Junpei and later pave a path to where both of them become lovers. :eyespin:

[recover]

In regards to chapter 77, I guess Nishino didn't get the memo, but she was suppose to cause more misunderstanding and grief for Junpei, so Aya could finally have a meaningful moment with Junpei and later pave a path to where both of them become lovers. :eyespin:

i immediately thought of seo when u said that :D

just reading thru, u realize that nishino could never exist IRL - feelsbadman

[Saber024]

dropped by 77, re-read it. "Attack-mode" Aya would have been the death of JunpeiXNishino.

@recover,
i'd have to agree

[Saber024]

ch 88.

Nishino was really willing to take the risk to get expelled, just to see Manaka outside the Inn and to spend a whole day trip with him.

I think this is the big difference of Nishino and Aya. Aya just didn't have the courage to admit or take action to get Manaka, until it was too late.


damn it, i was supposed to just read and comment on ch77, why am i AGAIN re-reading this! hehehe.

[recover]

:D:D:D

I am not going to lie, I literally skip over filler chapters and even Satsuki one's and then...

SLOOOOOW down on any page with Nishino.

But looking back, Aya really did not stand out at all. Maybe it was her personality and all, but I am dumbfounded how attached I was to her the first time I read this through. Maybe I just felt more pity for her?

[vansonbee]

ch 88.

Nishino was really willing to take the risk to get expelled, just to see Manaka outside the Inn and to spend a whole day trip with him.

I think this is the big difference of Nishino and Aya. Aya just didn't have the courage to admit or take action to get Manaka, until it was too late.


damn it, i was supposed to just read and comment on ch77, why am i AGAIN re-reading this! hehehe.Everyone in any of the heroine faction know for fact, that each girl brings something different to the table.

Satsuki was to open and Aya was to shy to have a special moment w/ Junpei.

After reading it 5-6 times this year, I don't have the resolve to do it again. :p

[Saber024]

:D:D:D

I am not going to lie, I literally skip over filler chapters and even Satsuki one's and then...

SLOOOOOW down on any page with Nishino.

But looking back, Aya really did not stand out at all. Maybe it was her personality and all, but I am dumbfounded how attached I was to her the first time I read this through. Maybe I just felt more pity for her?

maybe you love cheering for the underdog (is Aya qualified to be an underdog)

i tried not too, but i skip Yui, Chinami, and Kozue chapters while really, really slowing down if Nishino's in the panel.

Coincidence: my wife has the Nishino body-type, with short hair, but she hates bangs hehehehe.
and before i get accused of something, i met my wife WAAAAY before i read I100% :heh:


@vansonbee,
you'll read it again, as soon as you recognize there's still nothing out there right now that can stand up to it.
BTW, you sending me the MF threads opened a can of worms. i machine-gun posted at nearly all of them.

[Ragna92]

Ichigo 100% had a perfect ending. Finally different from those cliche harems.

[recover]

perfect ending is right!!

guys, join the social group "Mai Waifu is Nishino Tsukasa" :D

[LeaD36]

sry, mine's Ai Haibara =///

[Saber024]

who's that?

[Lexxus]

^ She's from Detective Conan.

http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/images/thumb/b/b4/Ai_Haibara_Profile.jpg/275px-Ai_Haibara_Profile.jpg

[vansonbee]

Thats a she? I could easily tell with a female adult in Conan, but that? :eyebrow:

[Lexxus]

Off-topic:

Well, yeah in that angle she's somehow looks like a boy but still nothing beats her adult form :heh:

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs48/f/2009/190/4/8/DC__Haibara_Ai_by_arielucia.jpg

[LeaD36]

Thats a she? I could easily tell with a female adult in Conan, but that? :eyebrow:

she looks damn hot grown up (same drug conan used)

[recover]

chpt 95


when nishino states that she wants to go to paris...i remember the 1st time i read it, my heart literally sank


:(




she did the right thing though..pursuing her dreams. i would not think the way i currently do (about her) if she settled and stayed in japan

[vansonbee]

chpt 95

when nishino states that she wants to go to paris...i remember the 1st time i read it, my heart literally sank

:(

she did the right thing though..pursuing her dreams. i would not think the way i currently do (about her) if she settled and stayed in japan
Yes, chapter 95 was the turning point for both Aya and Nishino. Aya decision of studying with Junpei in the same university, warmed his heart, but it wasn't enough to lose focus of Nishino in this chapter.

Nishino pretty much dominated the "middle arc", but this chapter kind of tip the scale, when she announced that she will be studying in France. This decision sent the wrong signals to Junpei head and it would tragically effected his relationship with Nishino.

What he thought about Nishino decision:
1. She doesn't love me?
2. She only wanted to be friends?

Junpei being so dense and inexperiences with relationships/girls, he cannot interpret Nishino advances later on, because of the new rigged mindset, he has of her (going to Paris). All this led up to Nishino confessing to him, instead of him confessing to her again.

[recover]

great analysis..very true. maybe this is where aya starts becoming more prominent as a reader's favored pairing towards the end of the manga. the stuff with higure also occurs here, causing further confusion...

sure feels good to re-read :D

[Ragna92]

Is this like the only manga where the main character doesn't end up with the main heroine? They need more mangas like this.

[vansonbee]

Is this like the only manga where the main character doesn't end up with the main heroine? They need more mangas like this.I guess you read the story already? How you like it?

Alive - The final evolution is another, I thought he will end up with this one girl, because they had such a good chemistry and time together (not romance focus).

[Ragna92]

I guess you read the story already? How you like it?

Alive - The final evolution is another, I thought he will end up with this one girl, because they had such a good chemistry and time together (not romance focus).

It was pretty good. I wanted him to end up with Tsukasa since the start. But since Aya was the main heroine looked like he would end up with her. Thank god I was proved wrong in the end.

[Tactics]

I'm really surprised---
This manga is already ended but it still managed to reach the first page ^^;

Somehow I could remember there's someone in an anime-manga community out there giving this comment :

"Nishino win ! See--- Long-haired girl is not always better !"

:heh:

As for myself---
At first I think Aya is the obvious winner.
But as the story progress ( chapter 100 - more ),
I started to feel Nishino is much more better than Aya in terms of her relationship with Junpei.

[recover]

Is this like the only manga where the main character doesn't end up with the main heroine? They need more mangas like this.

if u try anime...look at "Kimi Ga Nozuen Eien" the end pairing is unexpected. It is one of my top three animes of all time..

[vrz]

if u try anime...look at "Kimi Ga Nozuen Eien" the end pairing is unexpected. It is one of my top three animes of all time..


i think the end pairing is expected. They hinted it in the first few eps.

[recover]

^possibly, but there are quitttttee a few people who really disliked the end pairing. so much so that they released that very subpar "OVA alternate ending."



neways, up to 114 in ichigo


satsuki is such a rapist....not complaining...but dam a girls gotta cool it abit


117 - nishino is awesome...knowing what manaka's thinking, and stating indirectly to him that shes not interested in marrying higure.

[Ragna92]

if u try anime...look at "Kimi Ga Nozuen Eien" the end pairing is unexpected. It is one of my top three animes of all time..

Yeah, I've seen that. Amazing anime. Best harem with nice drama. That's how you properly adapt a visual novel. Other harem VN adaptations are so fail.

[Saber024]

It was pretty good. I wanted him to end up with Tsukasa since the start. But since Aya was the main heroine looked like he would end up with her. Thank god I was proved wrong in the end.


***highfives Ragna!


"Kimi ga..." was pretty good. i loved that anime too, but i wish the artwork was better.

[vansonbee]

Will watch "Rumbling Hearts" pretty soon, even though I've been spoiled to death... :upset:

@Recover

Chap 114 - Junpei sound and looks like a tsundere boyfriend in this chapter, I guess thats how he acts around her normally. Satsuki on the other hand, looks so frail and the "white dress" doesn't suit her at all. She the kind of gal that looks hot in leather clothing. :)

Chap 117 - In this chapter, Nishino looks like a chiwuwua, when Higure was petting her head. Heh, too bad she invested to much into Junpei to shack up with Higure. Notice how Nishino stopped Higure from doing it any further, when Junpei was around, she doesn't want Junpei to be jealous or getting the wrong idea about their relationship (student/master). This is something Aya wouldn't do, she would of stood there and take it and blush continuously. :rolleyes:

Looking back (when I"m done with the story), Higure isn't to shabby, I wish Junpei just pick Aya instead and everyone would be happy, but in the end, she couldn't avoid being impale by either big guy (Higure and Junpei). http://s4.tinypic.com/346rq0h_th.jpg

[vansonbee]

http://i53.tinypic.com/34fimns.jpg

Switch is becoming my favorite character now. They were all talking about a good main character (male), but Switch is swore to only admire Nishino from Ichigo 100% :heh:

Its also referred in season 2 anime adaption of Gintama episode 26 or 227 (whole). In the anime its still Nishino, but the Toujou referred in the manga was from Beelzebub (translator mistake?), because the anime referred to Aya from Ichigo.

[Lexxus]

Yeah. It could be a translator mistake since Shinpachi clearly said Aya Toujou and not Hidetora Toujou

[Saber024]

or he/she is talking about a male character named Toujou in Beelzebub. There's one. i read that series.


looking at my avatar, suddenly have the craving of fan art/any art of Nishino cosplaying Saber! ehehhe

[Lexxus]

Well in the anime they were talking about Aya and not Toujou of Beelzebub. I wonder if there some miscommunication or it was intentional.

[vansonbee]

It has to be an accident by the translator, because this is Shinpachi were talking about! He loves innocent shy clumsy girls.

[Lexxus]

vasonbee, the image that you post regarding all of the JUMP characters in one image was only half of it. Here's the full of that image.

http://i54.tinypic.com/20ft315.jpg

Aya Toujou is also in there :D I can't seem to find Manaka. :p

[vansonbee]

I see Aya :mad: :p

I don't see Junpei either, even if he's there, its difficult to tell him apart from the guys, so I'm shipping this pair, Ryoma x Nishino.

Does anyone know that girl next to Sanji (OP)? :uhoh:

[recover]

Put my re-read on hold due to work/vacations/life...I ended up at Chpt 144 which happens to be one of my FAVORITE chapters of the series.

Nishino being there for Manaka (in his depressed/melancholy state), understanding what he needed, and providing it to him further proves how great she was :D. The line "You can take advantage of me," was absolute gold.

[blade82]

I see Aya :mad: :p

I don't see Junpei either, even if he's there, its difficult to tell him apart from the guys, so I'm shipping this pair, Ryoma x Nishino.

Does anyone know that girl next to Sanji (OP)? :uhoh:

i think its the girl from the manga Neuro ... something i forgot but where are Goku and Oga???

[Lexxus]

If you look carefully, Goku is actually there. Also, there were 4 posters released by WSJ. The one I post counted as 2, then this one.

http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae98/rybqdt/YusukeMurata40ansWeeklyShonenJump2.jpg

then the other half of this one? Then that will make it 4.

[bumbayker]

After 2 straight days I finally read the entire manga and it was a fun and emotional read. I really felt bad for Aya not hooking up with Junpei in the end despite being the main girl. I personally would have preferred her more over Tsukasa since there was more romantic development with her and Junpei. I like Tsukasa's character but I felt she already had her chance with Junpei the first time around and Aya at least Aya have a chance with him. I guess I just empathize more with Aya and seemed more of the underdog heroine. Satsuki though got the shortest end of the stick IMO. Though she the most assertive she was also the most devoted among the girls who were in love with Junpei. The conclusion was good but I still wish there was a happier ending for Aya and Satsuki. It doesn't seem that the 2 are really over him or found a new man in their lives during the 4 year time skip. I guess I'll have to settle with it.

[vansonbee]

After 2 straight days I finally read the entire manga and it was a fun and emotional read. I felt somewhat bad for Aya not hooking up with Junpei in the end despite being the main girl. I personally would have preferred her more over Tsukasa since there was more romantic development with her and Junpei. I like Tsukasa's character but I felt she already had her chance with Junpei the first time around. I guess I empathize with Aya more and seemed more of the underdog. Satsuki though got the shortest end of the stick IMO. Though she the most assertive she was also the most devoted among the girls who were in love with Junpei. I wish there was a happier ending for Aya and Satsuki but I guess I'll have to be satistified. It doesn't seem that the 2 are really over him or found a new man in their lives during the 4 year time skip.Glad you enjoy the series and I find amusing that everyone always finish it in 2 days straight. :heh:

Few things I have to point out about your assessment. Nishino has more romantic moments with Junpei. She was the underdog throughout the story. The reasons why?
- Junpei first crush was the mysterious girl on the roof, who was later found out to be Aya.
- The story felt at first, like it was gonna be a cliché.
- She aided Junpei club activities, which associate with his dream (important, almost or more than romance).

Others will argument that Aya has moved on, because she wasn't whimsy during their reunion as before or compared currently with Satsuki at that moment.

[bumbayker]

Glad you enjoy the series and I find amusing that everyone always finish it in 2 days straight. :heh:

Few things I have to point out about your assessment. Nishino has more romantic moments with Junpei. She was the underdog throughout the story. The reasons why?
- Junpei first crush was the mysterious girl on the roof, who was later found out to be Aya.
- The story felt at first, like it was gonna be a cliché.
- She aided Junpei club activities, which associate with his dream (important, almost or more than romance).

Others will argument that Aya has moved on, because she wasn't whimsy during their reunion as before or compared currently with Satsuki at that moment.
Yeah, I see your point. It would definitely be a cliché and no different to many shounen romances if Aya was the end girl. I guess I was hoping for some sort of twist if Junpei did choose her. Maybe if Aya confessed and made clear of her feelings to Junpei much earlier things might have taken a different turn with them. Unfortunately her shyness and hesitation proved to be her downfall to win him over. Despite her rejection at least she found some happiness. I was hoping though Akachi and Satsuki would hook up since they had something in common.

Anyway it was very worthwhile read and probably one the best romance mangas to date.

[Undertaker]

Yeah, I see your point. It would definitely be a cliché and no different to many shounen romances if Aya was the end girl. I guess I was hoping for some sort of twist if Junpei did choose her. Maybe if Aya confessed and made clear of her feelings to Junpei much earlier things might have taken a different turn with them. Unfortunately her shyness and hesitation proved to be her downfall to win him over. Despite her rejection at least she found some happiness. I was hoping though Akachi and Satsuki would hook up since they had something in common.

Anyway it was very worthwhile read and probably one the best romance mangas to date.

Which, to this day, this series remains a hot topic. The end was the biggest strength os the series as well as its biggest weakness...

[recover]

Weakness in the sense that it received a lot of "heat/controversy?"

or

Weakness in the sense that it destroyed the story?

[bumbayker]

As much as I wanted Aya or even Satsuki chosen Tsukasa proved to have the resiliency with the right amount of aggressiveness and tenderness in the end. Though I grudgingly accept Tsukasa as the victor I can't help sympathize with the other 2 girls in love with Junpei. They also truly loved him and deserved to be with him as much as Tsukasa. Unfortunately their own respective personalities hindered them and their love for Junpei didn't hit home unlike Tsukasa. I don't consider any of them to be at fault with their feelings despite the end result since they were true to themselves. I guess regardless who Junpei chose the other 2 will end up hurt. As much as want them to also be loved the same way a harem type end would be worse. Personally though I felt that Tsukasa had the least to lose and was strong enough to recover from getting dumped again by Junpei. But it wouldn't really matter because she pursued the relationship in a better way than other 2 girls.

Anyway, what's done is done. It was still an overwhelming and memorable story. I just hope I don't have to go through this kind of heart-wrenching experience again soon. It's just hard to get over it.

[Undertaker]

Weakness in the sense that it received a lot of "heat/controversy?"

or

Weakness in the sense that it destroyed the story?


To a certain degree, both. Not gonna comment too much on that since it a topic that have been beaten to death in this thread and I've already given my opinion on this. Let's just say that, IMHO, while it is a logical ending, it also messed up the structure of the story and is the main reason for the free-fall state of Mizuki Kawashita's career despite her obvious talent as an "artist".

[bumbayker]

Kindly pardon me for further continuing this thread since I understand this topic has been done to death. I'm really new to Ichigo and only got into it by chance (from vansonbee's sig). I'd like to ask a few hypothetical questions to those who have read the manga several times and have a better comprehension of the story and characters than I do since I've only read it once. I know each has his/her own interpretations but I'd much appreciate it to hear your honest and unbiased opinion regardless which girl you routed for. Anyway here are my questions and thanks in advance if you reply to them.

For Toujou:
We know that there were several failed opportunities for Aya and Junpei to get closer to each other due to lack of action, misunderstandings, or unforeseen circumstances. Hypothetically speaking, what were those crucial moments/instances in the story in your opinion would have allowed her to secure herself as Junpei's chosen girl if only she had confessed and was clear of her feelings to him and vice versa earlier?

And if even they did confess to each other and hooked up would their relationship have as much depth and trust as with Nishino, and would it last?


For Kitaoji:
In the earlier chapters Satsuki was presented to be in the same wavelength with Junpei and appeared to be clear rival to Nishino and Toujou. Unfortunately as the story progressed her character wasn't taken seriously and she was forever friend-zoned despite her many attempts to win Junpei. Is there anything she could have done to get Junpei to notice and take interest in her as a woman?

Would have it been enough to reduce her sexual aggression and violent behavior towards him and act more refined? Or is a lost cause and absolutely has no chance for her regardless if she tried to change herself?

[vansonbee]

Ahhh, so I was the catalysis that started you into "Ichigo 100%". Sorry, if I kind of spoiled it for you xD
Kindly pardon me for further continuing this thread since I understand this topic has been done to death. I'm really new to Ichigo and only got into it by chance (from vansonbee's sig). I'd like to ask a few hypothetical questions to those who have read the manga several times and have a better comprehension of the story and characters than I do since I've only read it once. I know each has his/her own interpretations but I'd much appreciate it to hear your honest and unbiased opinion regardless which girl you routed for. Anyway here are my questions and thanks in advance if you reply to them.

For Toujou:
We know that there were several failed opportunities for Aya and Junpei to get closer to each other due to lack of action, misunderstandings, or unforeseen circumstances. Hypothetically speaking, what were those crucial moments/instances in the story in your opinion would have allowed her to secure herself as Junpei's chosen girl if only she had confessed and was clear of her feelings to him and vice versa earlier?

And if even they did confess to each other and hooked up would their relationship have as much depth and trust as with Nishino, and would it last?


For Kitaoji:
In the earlier chapters Satsuki was presented to be in the same wavelength with Junpei and appeared to be clear rival to Nishino and Toujou. Unfortunately as the story progressed her character wasn't taken seriously and she was forever friend-zoned despite her many attempts to win Junpei. Is there anything she could have done to get Junpei to notice and take interest in her as a woman?

Would have it been enough to reduce her sexual aggression and violent behavior towards him and act more refined? Or is a lost cause and absolutely has no chance for her regardless if she tried to change herself?The best timing for Aya to hook-up w/ Junpei, has to be after the break-up between Junpei and Nishino, but sadly, she did not make use of the given opportunity and her relationship remained the same as before the break-up. During this moment in the story, I felt Aya looked down at Satsuki as a rival and waited for Junpei to confess to her instead.

Regarding the "what if" scenario. I cannot even picture Aya/Junpei successfully reaching first base for along time in the story. Its unavoidable that this relationship will be dry, compared to Nishino or even Satsuki. From what we are given from the story, they both haven't shown any initiative in their lifestyle and this will reflect negatively on their relationship together. No one would be correcting each other bad behavior and the lack of interest will slowly wilting away at the couple longevity.

Satsuki:
I'm very positive that he recognize her as a woman alright, but not his type of woman. Satsuki behavior throughout the story is very improper in Japanese culture, compared to Aya (big differences) and Nishino (mild w/ context).

The other 2 girls will always have an advantage over Junpei.
- Aya with her writing, which aids Junpei in his goal.
- Nishino, who provides a broaden perspective in life and understood him more in-depth then the other two.

Overall, I would say Aya will have no problem worrying about NTR happening, because Nishino will not waste further time on a lost case and Satsuki is just Satsuki :p

[bumbayker]

Ahhh, so I was the catalysis that started you into "Ichigo 100%". Sorry, if I kind of spoiled it for you xD
LOL. Don't worry you didn't spoil it. My first impression was I really like the art and the collage of Jumpei and Nishino in your sig looked cute and romantic and got me curious. I even thought at first Nishino was the main female lead.

Though I really enjoyed the entire manga from start to end (even though it still pains me up to now to see Aya and Satsuki get completely rejected) I'm not without my complaints. Personally I felt that only Nishino had the only real character development among all the female characters. Her character matured as the story progressed unlike Toujo and Satsuki who remained static. It was only after they were completely rejected by Manaka that they changed for the better. I was hoping maybe Toujou would gradually gain self-confidence, break out from her shell and put up a fight. Or Satsuki realizing that her very aggressive advances for Manaka was only pushing him away from her. Also some characters like Chinami and Kozue weren't relevant to the plot and the time spent on them could have been used to develop the 2 other girls instead. If there was character growth for Toujou and Satsuki I the playing field might have been more interesting and choosing one of them would even be less predictable.

The male rivals, Okusa and Amachi, weren't much of a threat to Manaka despite they took opportunities in trying to take Nishino and Toujo away from him. I was hoping there would be a risk of losing one or both of the girls and Manaka would have to step up his game in order to get the girl back to him. That would give personal growth to Manaka and make him realize how truly important those girls are to him.

Lastly is the ending. I don't hate it but I don't completely like it either. I've learned though to accept Nishino as the victor despite I preferred Toujo. Also not all the significant characters were present in the reunion. I would have wanted Misuzu there. Toujo and Satsuki in the final chapter didn't seem that happy enough for me. They were more like content with their lives than truly happy. They really deserve a man who cared for them as much as Junpei did. Though the Kawashita stated they would eventually find happiness it would have been better if it was actually shown.

Well anyway, Ichigo is still one the best mangas I've read in a long time. I hope there would another one of it genre with as much caliber. Its a shame though that Kawashita Mizuki's succeeding works didn't have as much popularity or lasted as long as this series.

[recover]

If Satsuki had pulled back her aggression (early on), played a bit more "girly-girl" in the sense that she would use other guys to get Manaka jealous....then MAYBE she would stand a chance.

Manaka did admit during the early parts that he felt the most comfortable with her. I wouldn't necessarily say she was "friendzoned" at that point. She could've done a much better job at attracting him. Ironically, she would have to do the exact opposite of literally jumping all over him.

edit:

In response to your above post...

You feel this way now, but it'll change as you think more about the manga. I felt that exact same way immediately after I finished.

IMO, Toujou had a great ending. She's an accomplished and famous writer. Additionally, there was NO hint that she wasn't in a relationship (or marriage!) at that point. Okay, maybe that is stretching it, but there was no sign that she was single and unhappy.

Satsuki, OTOH, appeared to "lose" out the most at the end. Her attraction towards Manaka was still apparent, even after all those years.

Btw, Misuzu was there at the reunion.

If you re-read it again somewhere down the line, do it while looking through Nishino's eyes.

[bumbayker]

Oh, my bad for not noticing Misuzu in the reunion. I was going through the final chapter quickly. I'll give it another read maybe after month or so. It wouldn't be healthy for me to go through Toujou's heartbreak again so soon. Her loss is still fresh in my head. LOL.

Still, it makes me wonder how would it been like if Toujou were chosen by Manaka instead which was originally conceptualized by Kawashita. What moments in the manga could have been turning points in favor of Toujou? And what could she have at least done to ensure her place despite her reserved and shy personality? I think instances like Aya's failed confession during their middle school graduation and Manaka's near kiss with her during the school trip would have probably sealed the deal if they weren't sorely interrupted.

I agree that Satsuki should have changed her approach towards Manaka and used her head instead of her heart and body if she wanted to have a chance at him. She should have realized early on that her seduction wasn't working well since Manaka was very resistant. Unfortunately her personality like Toujou prevented her from doing so otherwise. She made clear of her feelings but lacked the tact in her methods to attract Manaka. If Manaka chose her their relationship would probably a very passionate one if not ecchi. They would both be lovers and best of friends which might even be better than a relationship with Nishino. Oh well, I guess I can only fantasize with those endings.

[recover]

Oh, my bad for not noticing Misuzu in the reunion. I was going through the final chapter quickly. I'll give it another read maybe after month or so. It wouldn't be healthy for me to go through Toujou's heartbreak again so soon. Her loss is still fresh in my head. LOL.

Still, it makes me wonder how would it been like if Toujou were chosen by Manaka instead which was originally conceptualized by Kawashita. What moments in the manga could have been turning points in favor of Toujou? And what could she have at least done to ensure her place despite her reserved and shy personality? I think instances like Aya's failed confession during their middle school graduation and Manaka's near kiss with her during the school trip would have probably sealed the deal if they weren't sorely interrupted.

I agree that Satsuki should have changed her approach towards Manaka and used her head instead of her heart and body if she wanted to have a chance at him. She should have realized early on that her seduction wasn't working well since Manaka was very resistant. Unfortunately her personality like Toujou prevented her from doing so otherwise. She made clear of her feelings but lacked the tact in her methods to attract Manaka. If Manaka chose her their relationship would probably a very passionate one if not ecchi. They would both be lovers and best of friends which might even be better than a relationship with Nishino. Oh well, I guess I can only fantasize with those endings.
There are numerous times when Aya had a chance to turn the tables in her favor. Scratch that, there was an excessive number of times...Most notably, towards the end when Manaka "discovered" that Aya had a boyfriend.

Us, the readers, knew that it was simply her brother parading his "siscon" complex, but Manaka had no idea. It's a bit debatable to claim if Aya was aware of how Manaka felt during this time. IF she was aware, she could've cleared the air immediately and allowed their relationship to progress.

This is where Aya differs from Nishino, and why Nishino is amazing :D.

When there was confusion regarding Nishino's status with Higure, she stepped up and told Manaka out-right that they had nothing going on. Granted, she had to nudge Manaka to be honest, but she could sense something was wrong and took the initiative to "nip the problem in the bud." Aya would never do that.

Aya's epic door confession came way too late. She had already lost the war at that point. IMO, Nishino's "reverse pull-up" confession had much more of an emotional impact and was also symbolic in a way. It also came out of nowhere, so I was pleasantly surprised.

(just realized you were referring to the failed confession early on...nvm)

@vansonbee

I found you on MAL :P How is it that Clannad is on HOLD!?

Personally, Clannad and Clannad After Story is to Anime, what Ichigo 100% is to Manga...the absolute top of the top in my ratings

[bumbayker]

There are numerous times when Aya had a chance to turn the tables in her favor. Scratch that, there was an excessive number of times...Most notably, towards the end when Manaka "discovered" that Aya had a boyfriend.

Us, the readers, knew that it was simply her brother parading his "siscon" complex, but Manaka had no idea. It's a bit debatable to claim if Aya was aware of how Manaka felt during this time. IF she was aware, she could've cleared the air immediately and allowed their relationship to progress.
If you don't mind can you please site some those chances/instances? Particularly the most relevant ones. I just like to analyze them and see what went wrong and what Aya should have done to turn the tides. Her chance to clear the misunderstanding about her brother was definitely her last to get back in race for Manaka. It's too bad she just wasn't perceptive enough to realize that Manaka had the wrong notion and she never bothered to inform him til the day of the festival.

When there was confusion regarding Nishino's status with Higure, she stepped up and told Manaka out-right that they had nothing going on. Granted, she had to nudge Manaka to be honest, but she could sense something was wrong and took the initiative to "nip the problem in the bud." Aya would never do that.
I suppose this is what Nishino has a big advantage over Toujou. Her force of character as well as her awareness causes her to take action quickly. Aya however being shy and recluse lacks those qualities to take initiative. She has to be approached to and made aware in order clear any misunderstandings or problems. Nishino's boon is unfortunately Aya's bane.


Aya's epic door confession came way too late. She had already lost the war at that point. IMO, Nishino's "reverse pull-up" confession had much more of an emotional impact and was also symbolic in a way. It also came out of nowhere, so I was pleasantly surprised.
By that point I realized that her confession was already futile much to my dismay. No matter what Aya does or say it wouldn't change Manaka's choice. Its just really sad that Aya's weakness of her personality would ultimately cause her to lose whatever advantage she had against Nishino and her chances to win over Manaka. If she only grew out of her shyness and gained some self-confidence then maybe it wouldn't have turned out this way. Nishino also had the right cards and played them when it really counts. The pull-up confession definitely had a strong impact to Manaka since it influenced his decision to which girl to be with.

[vansonbee]

If you don't mind can you please site some those chances/instances? Particularly the most relevant ones. I just like to analyze them and see what went wrong and what Aya should have done to turn the tides. Her chance to clear the misunderstanding about her brother was definitely her last to get back in race for Manaka. It's too bad she just wasn't perceptive enough to realize that Manaka had the wrong notion and she never bothered to inform him til the day of the festival.Yup! Aya bad habit is never clearing up the misunderstanding and it wouldn't have made a differences, because Junpei was planning to ask Nishino to the festival before finding out about Aya boyfriend (brother).

I suppose this is what Nishino has a big advantage over Toujou. Her force of character as well as her awareness causes her to take action quickly. Aya however being shy and recluse lacks those qualities to take initiative. She has to be approached to and made aware in order clear any misunderstandings or problems. Nishino's boon is unfortunately Aya's bane.Gonna agree with majority of your assessment here. What first give Aya the edge throughout the story was Junpei infatuation with the "mysterious panty girl". In addition, he was later taken by her writing talents, which closely intertwine with his own path (dream) in life. During the beginning, Nishino was a bratty kid, who had no focus of the future, but this changed, all due to Junpei influences in her life. It took Junpei sometime to acknowledge her newfound goal in life, if you recall, he was depress that she mention of leaving to France during the middle arc (Nishino = winning hard than flops) and the later reminder on "Christmas eve". He thought she would change her mind and stay in Japan with him, which is selfish when the story revolves around his own dreams... but thanks to further misunderstanding with Aya. Junpei finally realize his immaturity and set things straight between him and Nishino. The reason behind why he broke-up with Nishino was to not hold each other back from their career path and this was especially true, when he waited for 4 years straight for her.

By that point I realized that her confession was already futile much to my dismay. No matter what Aya does or say it wouldn't change Manaka's choice. Its just really sad that Aya's weakness of her personality would ultimately cause her to lose whatever advantage she had against Nishino and her chances to win over Manaka. If she only grew out of her shyness and gained some self-confidence then maybe it wouldn't have turned out this way. Nishino also had the right cards and played them when it really counts. The pull-up confession definitely had a strong impact to Manaka since it influenced his decision to which girl to be with.The pull-up confession was the icing to the cake! It wasn't only that scene, that decided everything. Don't you remember Junpei misunderstanding with Aya and later finding out about his horrible test score? All of this led to Junpei wandering the street until he naturally went to Nishino workplace for comfort w/o realizing it himself. Junpei had a mini flashback and realize all the positive things, Nishino has done for him and thats how they got together. Truthfully, I believe the mistake brother plot wasn't gonna change the route anyways.


led to him being super depress and he wander the streets to Nishino work place without realizing it, for comfort.

[db84x]

Actually when we look around, recently we can find Ichigo 100% ending type in other manga like School Rumble and Fruit Basket or anime like Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. And most of it manage to give memorable impact to its viewer, maybe because Ichigo 100% maybe first popular manga which pioneering this ending type then its got heavy critique barrage from "first girl ending" die-hard fans. Luckily after Ichigo 100%, "other girl ending" start got more favorable view but we will never forget that Ichigo 100% was the pioneer for this ending and got heaviest critique barrage but it made this series distinguished than other series.

[LeaD36]

why the fuck do you think School Rumble had an Ichigo100%-esque ending??

[vansonbee]

Actually when we look around, recently we can find Ichigo 100% ending type in other manga like School Rumble and Fruit Basket or anime like Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. And most of it manage to give memorable impact to its viewer, maybe because Ichigo 100% maybe first popular manga which pioneering this ending type then its got heavy critique barrage from "first girl ending" die-hard fans. Luckily after Ichigo 100%, "other girl ending" start got more favorable view but we will never forget that Ichigo 100% was the pioneer for this ending and got heaviest critique barrage but it made this series distinguished than other series.
- Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien (Rumbling Hearts) = one of my favorite relationship animes ever, but I don't think it can be connected to Ichigo, because this series was base off a game where many possible endings can occur.

Fruit Basket is another favorite of mine, but I don't see the correlation ending like Ichigo and why is School Rumble even mention here? The main female case never knew anything about the protagonist feelings (close, but no dice). Actually who was the protagonist of that series? :uhoh:

[db84x]

Sorry i mean the series not pair main male and female protagonist like the other series. About School Rumble maybe that mangaka trick so all of fans can accept the ending, all of us know if main protagonist not paired than a lot of fans will rant. But in School Rumble case, I think mangaka manage to insert the ending without critique barrage from old guard fans.

[recover]

School Rumble had one of the worst endings. It's one of my favorite series, but I'm still bitter and disappointed at how it closed out...

At least the School Rumble Z (manga) had a single picture to relieve me...a bit :P

I would add that Shuffle had an ending that was a little bit less predictable...still doesn't hold a candle to how good Ichigo 100%

[blade82]

and what about Kampfer:confused:

[vansonbee]

and what about Kampfer:confused:
Love this series ending, but come on. It was kind of expected, when there was so much emphasis on the evil girl.

[vansonbee]

Some good analytical reads! http://s4.tinypic.com/346rq0h_th.jpg

I read the last few pages of this topic, and I also read some discussions about Ichigo 100% on another forum. It seems like many people don't understand the ending, why Nishino won even though the story was originally set up for Toujou. Some say it was the result of of a fan poll. I don't think that's the case, it's just that story-wise, it was more natural this way. Let me explain.

When Ichigo 100 % started, its basic plot ("OMG, without glasses Toujou is beautiful") was very cliché (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeautifulAllAlong) and wasn't enough to last more than 20 chapters. If it had failed (like Ane Doki), it would have been enough for a very decent Toujou ending within such a short frame.

But it was quite funny, so it was popular enough to last. Every reader knew that a Toujou ending was a sure thing, and the glasses thing was already dying. So the author introduced another girl, Satsuki, trying to seduce Manaka. That way he would be conflicted about who to choose.

First problem: how could Manaka openly flirt with two other girls, even though he had a titular girlfriend? Nishino was sent to another high school, and after a long time of Manaka being a jerk, Nishino finally broke up with him.

Second problem: how could Satsuki compete with Toujou? It was like Toujou/Nishino: everybody knew that Toujou was supposed to win, the only difference was that Manaka didn't have to worry about taking the initiative of breaking up with someone. There was even less suspense, and as a result, no plot.

When Toujou learned that Manaka and Nishino had broken up, the manga was as good as finished. Toujou and Manaka didn't have any obstacle to confess, they were already almost lovey dovey, and they even had a movie date (when they met Misuzu). But it was still popular enough, so it had to go on, and the author had to find a way to make this interesting.

That's when Nishino is reintroduced. Toujou and Nishino's feelings are very well known to the reader, they are completely in love with Manaka. But Nishino, as the ex-girlfriend, could be a question mark. What does she think about Manaka now? Is she so casual with him because she found a new love?

From that point, the relationship between Manaka and Toujou remained exactly the same for the next 90 chapters: they share some special moments from time to time, but there was no confession, the only thing that lacked in their relationship. So there was no progress at all during a long time. Satsuki wasn't even relevant anymore.

But the author had a great opportunity with Nishino, she could create a new relationship step by step, not from scratch, but from a damaged one. Only hints were given to us about Nishino's feelings, sometimes contradictory, like when she told him she was planning to go to Paris (leaving him without her). Nishino then became the only dynamic thing in this manga, she was the plot.

During the 3 days perfect trip with Manaka, we finally learned that she was planning to get back with him. She was the one taking initiatives, but she never forced him unlike Satsuki. In the same time, Toujou did nothing, because doing something would instantly mean the end of the manga.

The first turning point was in chapter 135. Toujou then had the perfect opportunity to confess, the mood was great, they were alone, Manaka was waiting for it... But she instead told him she was planning to go to a different university. Even with the filmed confession, this trip ended with "maybe she does love me" for Manaka, when it should have been "I'm glad she loves me".

Honestly, that was for Toujou the biggest mistake of her life (even Misuzu told her before to tell him about the university after confessing). Now, Nishino was the one with all the momentum. She did confess, when Toujou was dumb enough to accept someone else as her date at the love sanctuary. Now the whole story was about the growing love between Manaka and Nishino, unlike at the beginning. It's how Toujou became history for Manaka, and it would have felt unnatural if he had chosen her even though he had no problem letting things stall between them for so long. The second turning point was in chapter 153, it cemented the fact that Toujou had already lost.

So if she lost, it's because the plot needed some expansion, and all her cards (possible mysteries about her) were already played.

Ichigo 100 % in a graph:

http://i.imgur.com/85nB1.gifIf one was paying attention to the plot, they would notice that Aya's story she was writing with Junpei paralleled Ichigo's story. When the "story in the story" ended Junpei makes the comment "Aya ended the story as an author and (personal influence had nothing to do with it)" it was basically saying that favoritism had nothing to do with Ichigo's ending.

Kawashita said in her notes that Aya would have been the end girl had the manga ended in middle school (basically cancelled) but as the story progressed Nishino became the end girl. Nishino was likely being developed into the end girl as soon as they entered HS right along with her shift from bratty middle schooler to someone with a mature goal. Her going to a different HS wasn't her leaving the story, it was a setup to have her make a sacrifice for Junpei and for her to become a stronger person rather than just one of the "harem".

[Kazu-kun]

In a romance shounen manga it's the guy who has to confess to his end-game, as it parallels with his character growth, which is the real underling theme for any romance shounen manga.

Considering that, the fact that Manaka confessed to Nishino while believing that he had no chance with Aya (as he thought she had a boyfriend) shows clearly that the author either didn't know how to write shounen romance or she did change the story in a different direction for some reason (popularity poll?) and the result wasn't so good.

This is easy to understand really. In a shounen manga the confession is meant to be an act of courage, since, like I said, it represents character growth. But Manaka's confession was, on the other hand, an act of cowardice, since he went to Nishino because he was running away from the belief that Aya had a boyfriend.

After this screw-up the author tried to patch up things by having Manaka reject Aya, to reinforce the Nishino/Manaka pairing and show that Manaka wasn't as weak anymore. It was a moot effort though, since the confession moment is the climax for this sort of story, so what you couldn't achieve at that moment is lost for good. Besides in storytelling, the best way to portray courage and character growth is through and positive action, like a confession, not a negative one, like a rejection (this is basically writing 101).

I do think a Nishino/Manaka ending might have worked if written in a different way, in a good way. They had enough chemistry going on for them at the very least. The way it was written though, it just doesn't work at all, since it's at odds with the story's most important theme.


My two cents.

[BetoJR]

Yeah, no. Thanks for your opinion, tho.

[vansonbee]

In a romance shounen manga it's the guy who has to confess to his end-game, as it parallels with his character growth, which is the real underling theme for any romance shounen manga.

Considering that, the fact that Manaka confessed to Nishino while believing that he had no chance with Aya (as he thought she had a boyfriend) shows clearly that the author either didn't know how to write shounen romance or she did change the story in a different direction for some reason (popularity poll?) and the result wasn't so good.

This is easy to understand really. In a shounen manga the confession is meant to be an act of courage, since, like I said, it represents character growth. But Manaka's confession was, on the other hand, an act of cowardice, since he went to Nishino because he was running away from the belief that Aya had a boyfriend.

After this screw-up the author tried to patch up things by having Manaka reject Aya, to reinforce the Nishino/Manaka pairing and show that Manaka wasn't as weak anymore. It was a moot effort though, since the confession moment is the climax for this sort of story, so what you couldn't achieve at that moment is lost for good. Besides in storytelling, the best way to portray courage and character growth is through and positive action, like a confession, not a negative one, like a rejection (this is basically writing 101).

I do think a Nishino/Manaka ending might have worked if written in a different way, in a good way. They had enough chemistry going on for them at the very least. The way it was written though, it just doesn't work at all, since it's at odds with the story's most important theme.


My two cents.
I have posted your comment on another forum for some discussion (http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=112538&page=15). Feel free to read.

Yeah, no. Thanks for your opinion, tho.
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