Scrapped Princess

[lamort_noir]

Edit by Mod (NightWish): Added the spoiler tag as per request. It may not look like a spoiler to someone who has yet to see the series (me) but apparently it is for some...
*sniff* i just watched the rest of the anime i almost died when i saw what happend to pacifica ive never really been so affected by an anime with the exception of Samurai X: Trust and betrayal almost as much as I was affected after i beat Xenogears (greatest rpg)

I just wish she would of said yes to Leo :)

[indicatoto101]

Yeah Scrapped Princess is a great series, but it has it's own forum.

[boneyjellyfish]

Not anymore. You're living in the past, man!

[Dark Zero]

Even though its not written, isnt that kinda obvious what happens at the end by how you said that? You just spoiled it for me :( Ah well, don't matter....gotta see it anyway, soon.

[Shift_]

I watched the whole series yesterday...8 hours worth of anime...very well worth it...

I finished Last Exile the day before it...Last Exile was MUCH better than Scrapped Princess...but Scrapped Princess was still VERY well done.

[Dark Zero]

I started to watch scrapped when I began downloading it, had 4 eps, couldn't stop watching. But I stopped, as I tend to HOLD BACK and wait til I have the entire series to watch. Now all I need is time. But it actually came down to 8 hrs only? Thats 20 mins for each ep......I can finish that in a day ^_^

[ZGMF-10A]

This anime is really nice..... i had the same reaction watching evagelion..... i wonder if the creator are the same...... i really like how it was presented... so many cute girls... :)

[Keitaro]

One of my fav anime series that had an satisfying ending. I wouldnt mind if they make another season, but I guess their isnt enough material to make another season besides creating a whole new story.

[D-Stilo]

I finished watching the whole series and it was time well spent too. The ending theme alone gives me a rather fuzzy feeling. :rolleyes:

But the series has one weak point in my opinion, that could have been improved and that is the relationship development between characters.

There seems to be strong bonds between some characters but it isn´t really shown how these bonds are established. For example Chris and Prince Forcis. They seem to be very close but it isn´t shown how they actually got so close. Kindoff felt the same about the relationship with Pacifica and Fulle but not as much. This doesn´t go for the relationship between Pacifica, Shannon and Raquell. I think that that relationship was well worked out and displayed. Other people any thoughts on the subject? Just creating conversation here :D Just for a minor weak point I still find it a good anime series.

[Tboz]

Agreed, I like the series, but was quite disppointed with the ending, it ended... just like that... :eyebrow:

Between Chris and Prince Forcis, I think what they had is some sort of companionship. Chris had seen Pacifica previously and he obviously is not convinced that Pacifica can destroy the world. That probably creates some sort of link between the two of them.

Between Fulle and Pacifica, the relationship is even stronger. She can't remember a thing and only Fulle is there for her. She is dependent on him, the same way how she always look to her brother and sister for help. Its subtle, but I sense some love between the two of them. To the point where Fulle is willing to sacrificed his life for her. :)

[lamort_noir]

I watched the whole series yesterday...8 hours worth of anime...very well worth it...

I finished Last Exile the day before it...Last Exile was MUCH better than Scrapped Princess...but Scrapped Princess was still VERY well done.
Man and Last Exile is coming to America soon so i can get the special collectors edition when it arrives :D

on that note im also waiting for Somedays dreamer it was done by same ppl who did Ai yori aoshi so i cant wait to see it :)

but id have to say im sorry if i spoiled anything i just want you to know how wonderful of an anime scrapped princess is its on my top anime list now :)

I will have to show it to my anime club soon =]

they already wanna c it after i told them a little about it especially since there girls when i told them about how sad i got they were like i wanna c too

anyways my college anime club has nothing to do with this now does it ?

but I highly recommend Scrapped Princess i give it 2 thumbs up and a leg lol

[lamort_noir]

I finished watching the whole series and it was time well spent too. The ending theme alone gives me a rather fuzzy feeling. :rolleyes:

But the series has one weak point in my opinion, that could have been improved and that is the relationship development between characters.

There seems to be strong bonds between some characters but it isn´t really shown how these bonds are established. For example Chris and Prince Forcis. They seem to be very close but it isn´t shown how they actually got so close. Kindoff felt the same about the relationship with Pacifica and Fulle but not as much. This doesn´t go for the relationship between Pacifica, Shannon and Raquell. I think that that relationship was well worked out and displayed. Other people any thoughts on the subject? Just creating conversation here :D Just for a minor weak point I still find it a good anime series.


On that note what about the relationships that should of been? Like Pacifica and Leo? and Chris and Winia there was definite chemistry between these and i felt like the only characters that they went into detail with their backgrounds and how they became how they were was the relationship between sim or swin and Shannon

[wsheit]

I have to say that Scrapped Princess is probably the best shorter anime that I have EVER seen. I just loved it- the characters, music, action, thoughtful plot- an absolute must see.

-although i admit I haven't seen Last Exile yet- looking forward to that on DVD.

The only negative thing I can say about Scrapped Princess is that it takes an odd bird to like the opening theme- i suppose i qualify.

[::faze]

I have to say that Scrapped Princess is probably the best shorter anime that I have EVER seen. I just loved it- the characters, music, action, thoughtful plot- an absolute must see.


This is pretty much exactly how I feel except that I didn't really like the OP and that I've seen LastEXILE. My only complaints with Scrapped Princess is that the action scenes were too short(probably because I thought they were so good and wanted more^^), the secondary characters weren't tied well enough into the plot(similar to the complaints above) and that the ending was rushed. I was a little disappointed with how the situation with Sim/Cz was ended. I thought that Scrapped Princess felt a lot like an RPG and I thought, so many times while I was watching, that I might have been derived from an RPG or would make an excellent RPG, hehe. Does anyone else think that the 2nd class Divine Punishment execution form looks a lot better than the 1st class form? I know the 1st class form didn't show up much, but it looked a little weird to me.

[Lambda]

This anime is really nice..... i had the same reaction watching evagelion..... i wonder if the creator are the same......

Nope. I really don't think Gainax (the creators of Evangelion) would be capable of making something as conventional as Scrapped Princess, they'd probably get bored before they even finished the first episode.

There seems to be strong bonds between some characters but it isn´t really shown how these bonds are established.

Perhaps such things are explored more fully in the novels, but were excised from the anime due to time considerations?

I thought that Scrapped Princess felt a lot like an RPG and I thought, so many times while I was watching, that I might have been derived from an RPG or would make an excellent RPG, hehe.

I take it you actually mean "D&D-type RPG" rather than just "RPG" or something like that. Since generally, RPGs can have pretty much any setting, storyline and feel, "feels like an RPG" is something of a meaningless statement.

I felt Scrapped Princess to be about as good as you can get without doing anything particularly interesting. My preference is for genre-busting, cliche-busting experiments, Scrapped Princess is as as good as something can be for me without being something of that nature.

Don't like Last Exile though. All those long flying scenes bore me.

[kamij0]

I have to say that Scrapped Princess is probably the best shorter anime that I have EVER seen. I just loved it- the characters, music, action, thoughtful plot- an absolute must see.

-although i admit I haven't seen Last Exile yet- looking forward to that on DVD.

The only negative thing I can say about Scrapped Princess is that it takes an odd bird to like the opening theme- i suppose i qualify.


The OP is nice ..definately one of the cheerful songs that i heard from the anime i watched. and even though the anime is short. u got to admit it does really contain alot of interesting things, like comparing the world to matrix and pacifcia being the saviour to mankind, and the god's domination that is being compared as the machine's tyrrany. All this being squeezed into 26 episodes, its not easy..

[lamort_noir]

The OP is nice ..definately one of the cheerful songs that i heard from the anime i watched. and even though the anime is short. u got to admit it does really contain alot of interesting things, like comparing the world to matrix and pacifcia being the saviour to mankind, and the god's domination that is being compared as the machine's tyrrany. All this being squeezed into 26 episodes, its not easy..
oh and I like the ending song of Scrapped Princess the best i dont remember the name it was weird like li li something lol

[kamij0]

oh and I like the ending song of Scrapped Princess the best i dont remember the name it was weird like li li something lol




[Yoko Ueno & Masumi Ito] - Daichi no la li la
the ending song for scrapped princess

[Kei-]

I really enjoyed Scrapped Princess, but I was more than a little unsatisfied with the number of dangling subplots at the end (really felt rushed in the last few episodes, to me). I suppose this leaves some space for the second season, though! ;)

[LostDivinity]

I really enjoyed Scrapped Princess, but I was more than a little unsatisfied with the number of dangling subplots at the end (really felt rushed in the last few episodes, to me). I suppose this leaves some space for the second season, though! ;)

a lot of people I've talked to think there's no room for a second season, but I think it could because one major aspect was left open. The original enemy that attacked earth is never confronted, Mauzel is just the one watching over everything, and the peacemakers are just weapons. Now that humans are free again, wouldn't it attack again?

At least, that is what I gathered.

[Kei-]

a lot of people I've talked to think there's no room for a second season, but I think it could because one major aspect was left open. The original enemy that attacked earth is never confronted, Mauzel is just the one watching over everything, and the peacemakers are just weapons. Now that humans are free again, wouldn't it attack again?

At least, that is what I gathered.

Not only that, I really think they could just manufacture a new bad guy to slide in to work as an adversary in an OAV series, or even a movie (those anime studios are grrrreat at doing that!), but maybe it's just better off if they leave it alone.

[Keitaro]

I say just leave it as it is, no sense risking a second season failure which I doubt would happen since how good this series is. I heard their are the books that go beyond the anime series and they might just have enough to make a second season but Im not sure on that. It all depends the popularity of the series in Japan not how popular it was elsewhere. I also heard of rumors before that the company behind the series filed for bankrupt or something similar to that matter.

-but if they do decide to go with a 2nd season or a set of OVA's i'll be there to check it out no matter what :)

[kamij0]

I say just leave it as it is, no sense risking a second season failure which I doubt would happen since how good this series is. I heard their are the books that go beyond the anime series and they might just have enough to make a second season but Im not sure on that. It all depends the popularity of the series in Japan not how popular it was elsewhere. I also heard of rumors before that the company behind the series filed for bankrupt or something similar to that matter.

-but if they do decide to go with a 2nd season or a set of OVA's i'll be there to check it out no matter what :)

i really love the last episode of scrapped princess ... i think a ova will not be as good as the last episode..well though they really rushed through during the last few episodes... but they gave a good o last episode in the end .. but if given the 2nd season, there wont be much fun than the 1st.. the 1st season really is one of a kind

[LostDivinity]

Personally, I think a prequel oav would be great. One that tells about the war that got the world sealed in the first place.

[Keitaro]

Personally, I think a prequel oav would be great. One that tells about the war that got the world sealed in the first place.

That would be nice, i wouldnt mind them doing it.

[Kei-]

Personally, I think a prequel oav would be great. One that tells about the war that got the world sealed in the first place.

As long as they put Soopy-kun in it. :)

[kamij0]

What has Soopy-kun to do with the war? :confused:

But how about, instead of a sequel or a prequel, they could produce a Soopy-kun Spin-Off series. :D


.. i prefer bonta kun to soopy kun ...they dun wash soopy kun .. it stinks..

[jUkUmI]

I love it... people should get it before it gets licensed...
IT is soooooo good. except for the ending was a bit off...
I rank this a high as Escaflowne because it has a touch of humor mixed in with a handful of romance... and Sister/ brotherly love...
The perfect anime for those perfect people... :)

[lamort_noir]

.. i prefer bonta kun to soopy kun ...they dun wash soopy kun .. it stinks..
THATS TRUE BONTA KUN OWNS any soopy kun any day :D especially with KASHIM's A.S. enhancements only down fall no communication aspect all you get is
FUMOFFU FUMO FFU and so on lol but the only thing possible would be a prequel impossible for sequel since Mauzel seemed happy at end she didnt act vengeful towards Pacifica

[kamij0]

THATS TRUE BONTA KUN OWNS any soopy kun any day :D especially with KASHIM's A.S. enhancements only down fall no communication aspect all you get is
FUMOFFU FUMO FFU and so on lol but the only thing possible would be a prequel impossible for sequel since Mauzel seemed happy at end she didnt act vengeful towards Pacifica

mauzel seems more like a prisoner than a god. well she lost her siblings too right..

[Kapu Lea]

I really enjoyed Scrapped Princess, but I was more than a little unsatisfied with the number of dangling subplots at the end (really felt rushed in the last few episodes, to me). I suppose this leaves some space for the second season, though! ;)
I definitely agree with you Kei...the ending was a bit rushed and many things were left built up and then...that's it...no explanation...THE END. Still...I did love the series...it was quite an interesting plot...started out as one thing...and ended up changing somewhere in the middle...I won't say more for fear of giving anything away to those of you who have yet to see the show...Enjoy ^_^.

[Vital Remains]

I agree with the general concensus. Great series overall and I felt that the conclusion was satisfying overall, like finishing a good book. Please someone refresh my memory though, whose decision was it ultimately to seal the humans? Was it the alien invaders or the rogue peacenmakers?

[Lord Raiden]

Personally, I was hooked from the beginning and I think it was a very well done series. Definate best anime in my book. I think that the ending was a tad rushed as well since they tended to drag in places they shouldn't have. But overall it's a very excellent anime. Can't wait for it to be licenced and come stateside. :D

[Zippy-DSM]

great anime and great ending the best I've seen in a while!

[kamij0]

i enjoy scrapped princess too, but dont the peacemakers look strong yet are so weak against the good guys ?

[Tboz]

Personally, I think a prequel oav would be great. One that tells about the war that got the world sealed in the first place. That's a wonderful idea, the plot won't be repetitive of the old and it could take on a refreshing new look. :p

[EliteJounin]

Heh, i loved this anime.

And it hurt me so much that Fulle had to die.
Anyways... they are all very cool. The characters i mean.
I just wish that Chris had more of a role in this anime. I always like the cool looking guys.

[Anlushac11]

Ummm Mazuel doesnt work for me. All the enemy characters are named after weapons. So why Mazuel?

Mauser makes much more sense.

And why have a Soopy Kun spin off? So we can have more of the sweet and beautiful Raquel talk to it.

And it has to have more Zephfris. Must have more Zephfris.

Bonta-Kun versus Sooupy-Kun? Im all for it. That means more Chidori and possibly more of the goddess Tessa.

Mmmmm....Chidori, Tessa, Raquel, Pacifica, and Zephfris all in the same anime....

[shiznitty]

i think your hopin for a little too much there :P

[Mcdonalds]

Yea just finished this series, was real good, although it was a little to perfect in the end for me, not saying i ain't happy about it but it would have been more emotional which i regard more highly i spose. Anyway, a very good series

[Colonel-]

Anyone got some good pics of the Gigas, Dragoon, and PMs in action?

[Iori Branford]

Someone damn well better translate that novel. I am DYING to see how it stacks up against its AMAZING TV counterpart.

BTW, I know making a game from TV or movies is risky business, but which of these ideas of mine would you say is the least likely to fail?

- RPG retelling the anime, using the Planescape Torment (http://www.interplay.com/games/product.asp?gameid=9) engine
- RPG after the anime with both new and returning characters (I've even thought of some myself), using an updated Betrayal at Krondor (http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Cavern/1947/) engine with a hint of Disgaea
- sword fighting game, using the Samurai Shodown 5 (http://www.samurai-zero.jp/) engine

[Lord Raiden]

Mcdonalds, I didn't think it was exactly "too perfect" an ending. I think it was more of one that needed to be explained more. It was too rushed. If they would have taken an extra 2 episodes and streached out a few of the sections in the story and cut a few scenes in there that I considered to be just filler fat (why do anime makers always gotta add worthless fat to their shows. sheesh) they could have ended it quite a bit better. Because in my book the ending was good, but underexplained in many areas.

[marin]

The ending was only slightly better than that of The Matrix Revolutions

[Lord Raiden]

Dude, don't even think about comparing Matrix Revolutions to the end of Scrapped Princess! Matrix Revolutions sucked, SP didnt. :P :D

[Mcdonalds]

Yea, i agree with the ending was way too rushed, although you can kind of get the gist of how it ended e.g. chris and winia are wedded and pacifica lead a normal life. However, maybe they intended to do that to leave it open ended? so that it allows it to open up another series if they wanted it or to allow the viewer to 'create' their own ending. Most likely not. What i meant by that it was a little to perfect is that how pacifica and forcis are given their lives back, everyone lives happily ever after and that everything is happy. I'm not saying that its a bad series, not even saying it was a good series, i thought its one of the best ones i've seen. However, i don't think every anime is perfect and i was just giving an opinion on how i interpreted it and how I THOUGHT it COULD have been improved.

Edit: how did you think of the relationship between cz/sim and shannon/pacifica/raquel, i thought it would have been expanded upon especially with the earrings and this was one of the character/relationship development that had disappointed me.

[Lord Raiden]

Actually, after watching it a few times, the guy you see in the stable is actually Shannon, not Forcis. I thought it was Forcis at first as well, but upon closer examination it's actually Shannon.

As far as the charecter development goes, they did a good job, but at the same time they could have done a lot more.

[Freddy C]

SP was great but the ending was a bit of a let down for me, pacifica should have stayed dead, i mean she came back with little explaination which just created the feeling that she's invincible and so what's all that protecting her in all the previous eps.? but good story and animation too

[OshadowO]

Hey I just fiinished watching too. This was a great anime.
I thought they rushed the ending too. And I hate forcis...I was hoping he'd stayed dead.
I think I was emotionally traumatised by ep 22 though. When she started crying after seeing the token...sad sad sad :(

[Cyz]

Has anybody seen this anime? The story is very good and the animation itself is good too. The DVD cost 19.99 (U.S Dollars of course) at Best Buy. So far, I have all 5 volumes and waiting for the last one which will come out this month. Anyway, what do you guys think of this anime?

[Keitaro]

I really liked it. It's one of my favorite anime series of all time. I'm glad you like it. :)

[moshun]

i told myself i would watch this series casually. long story short...i finished the entire series in 2 days...

[Forbin]

Unless it was answered in the DVDs and I missed it.

Where did the aliens go?

[NoSanninWa]

Unless it was answered in the DVDs and I missed it.

Where did the aliens go?

They went back home once humanity was defeated. There just wasn't any reason for them to hang out here after all.

[Red HamsterX]

I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to start a new thread for this, but it didn't seem likely that I would receive a response had I posted at the end of a long-dead discussion topic.

Ever since disc 1 was released, I've been trying to find information on retail and review sites about whether the limited edition of disc 1 comes with an artbox to hold the other discs in the series. I know it comes with a figure in a box, but that's not what I'm interested in.

If anyone here has the limited edition version of disc 1, could you tell me whether it came in a box with space to hold the other five DVDs?

[microlith]

There is no artbox for Sutepri. The only purpose of the box was to contain the figure that was included with it. The same is true for vols. 2-6.

[carmolita]

Why did shannon cry in the end? Is the manga any different than the anime?

[Cyz]

Why did shannon cry in the end? Is the manga any different than the anime?
i guess he was happy that his sister was alive.

[carmolita]

has anyone ever met shannon character (voice actor) a con? Does the manga go beyond the anime? will their ever be more SP...and it was really sad that she didn'nt remember fehre , afterall , his death
was the most depressing part of the series

[tommy pham]

I think you all are in the wrong track; the fact is that you guy are kind of confuse about the relationships of the characters. what I mean is the fact is that pacifica alway like her big brother( shannon); remember the first volume of the anime when pacifica said something to shannon. On the other hand fulle are just a replacement at the time; know this why his look and attitude are like shannon. and the fact that they are not relate by blood, childhood memory are how relationship are develop in most animes. As for Leo, he seen to be inaffective in the story line.

[Whitemoon648]

The series overal was good. It wasnt the best but i enjoyed it very much. The ending was fun too.

But i have a question. After the last episode, after the ED there was a briefe sort of preview thing from Raquell, was that related to story at all?.

[Icehawk]

From what i can tell that little ending bit after the last episode credits is just a sort of "thanks for watching the show" kind of message.

[Whitemoon648]

i see thanks.

Also i got a few other question from last episode.

When Pacifica went to seria was she dead ( or suposed to be)?. How about seria?

From what i undrestood, Pacifica was supposed to die at the age of 16 and with her death system would get canceled right?. So her dieing ten hours sooner actually helped her survive and not die ( in other words because she died earlier and talked with seria she was saved)?. right?

Also was the purpose ( the reason why) of the aliens attacking humans stated at all in the series?.

Also wasnt the reason Seria betrayed them that her brother and sisters died?.


Lastly what was that shield that was created around the earth when pacifia entered the seria dimension?.

and what was that dragon at the end?

[Xellos-_^]

Also was the purpose ( the reason why) of the aliens attacking humans stated at all in the series?.

The aliens consider Humans to be too violent. There propoganda anyway that they attacking the Human race to save us form ourselves. That is why they had the human race lock under that shield and keep to low tech. Anytime Humans make substiantial progress in advance technology there would be a purge of about 90% of the pop.


Also wasnt the reason Seria betrayed them that her brother and sisters died?.She betray humanity to save her brother and sister because she did not want them to fight in the war, but they die anyway Her brother was one of the Original Dragoons.

[ImClueless]

She betray humanity to save her brother and sister becuase she want them to fight in the war, but they die anyway Her broghter was one of the Original Dragoons.

Don't you mean she didn't want them to fight in the war? :p Her brother was Zeffy's original pilot and the sister appeared to be a science type on the dragoon project.

[Firefly00]

Way back when I'd first heard the basic premise of this series, I thought it could run in an interesting political-intrigue direction. The theory ran like this: the prophecy is merely a fabrication crafted by a cabal (consisting of key religious, political, and corporate figures) which has been seeking to become the power behind the throne for decades now. If you're familiar with XIII or Metal Gear Solid, you're on your way to seeing how this could go.

[Whitemoon648]

The aliens consider Humans to be too violent. There propoganda anyway that they attacking the Human race to save us form ourselves. That is why they had the human race lock under that shield and keep to low tech. Anytime Humans make substiantial progress in advance technology there would be a purge of about 90% of the pop.


What i was confused was the main reason. In the series it is mentioned as soon as Humans reach the stars the Alien attack. Also it was mentioned that because of the war between Aliens and humans, the Human population was becoming extinct. Wasnt it then the Alien's fault for that?.




She betray humanity to save her brother and sister becuase she want them to fight in the war, but they die anyway Her broghter was one of the Original Dragoons.

Thanks for the reply. But what i meant was because she betrayed humanity, she lost her brother and sister in the battle. They died because the enemy knew the tactics from Seria so they were defeated and Thus her brother and sister died.
If she hadnt betrayed them, They might have won and her brother and sisters wouldnt have had to die. dont you agree ?.

[mlai]

I just finished watching Scrapped Princess. I forgot who recommended it. Pretty good. Everyone having the same damn (hair) bangs irritated me, though. The Furee arc was the highlight of the series IMO, even though it's not an innovative theme or anything.

There are several things in the series I would have changed, though. I'll fanfic a bit below, in abridged form. Read only if you've already seen Scrapped Princess.



1. Episode with masked man and fake S Princess:
The masked man/ Inquisitor's reason for betraying the town was very convoluted and tacked-on. They should have kept him as a Lord Browning faithful, who attempted to sacrifice his own followers to deal a devastating strike to a Mauser-worshipping city. Then the theme would have been "no matter which religion is right, fanaticism is never justified" which is much better and appropriate for the series. Trying to distract me from this shortcoming by making him ugly did not work.

2. Prince Forsythe (Princess's twin brother) coming back to life is dumb. No one should come back to life, especially someone who has no objective importance in "God's eyes." After killing Pacifica, he shouldn't have tried to kill himself, and should have just waited for Shannon to charge over and kill him. Then Chris (the special forces boy) would protect him from Shannon's rage, telling Shannon "What good would this serve!?" Soon enough, Shannon would redirect his anger at the Peacemakers who appear overhead in the sky. Prince would live, and later on rule as a wise and just king.

3. Here's what I would have changed about the final space battle, Pacifica's death, and the Shannon-Zephirus-Cz relationship.

Final space battle:

Cz - The scrapped princess is dead. I will not participate in this meaningless battle.
Galil - As Steyr would say, this is for my own satisfaction. I will not require your help in my 1st Class Divine Punishment Manifestation. <transforms to ultimate form>

1st Class Galil and Sephirus/Gigantes fight. Galil should kill at least 1 Gigantes. Then Galil should outmaneuver Sephirus and zero in on her.

Shannon - Damn!

Cz, transforming into 1st Class, flies in and blocks Galil's energy blast. Sephirus takes the opportunity to annihilate Galil. The 2 remaining Gigantes dive towards the damaged Cz.

Shannon - Wait! No!!

The Gigantes cut Cz in half across the waist. Her body falls towards Earth and appears to burn up in space.

Pacifica talk with Cecilia in virtual space. Pacifica makes the same decision. But she should not come back to life. She dies in the real world.

With the world at peace, Zephirus and Shannon part ways. Zephirus has shown more humanity than all of the godlings, but IMO she would ultimately leave Earth after her last mission is completed. In doing so, she becomes truly independent. Like her 1st master, I think her heart belongs to the stars.

Back home, Shannon would find Cz waiting for him.

Shannon - ... Cz? You're alive!
Cz - I am still functional. But without the Mauser central system, the damage I sustained is irreparable. I can no longer assume my Divine Manifestations, and I will completely degrade after a few decades.
Shannon - ...
Cz - With the self-termination of Mauser and the Providence System, my directives have become obsolete. I have no more purpose, Shannon.
Shannon - Screw the directives. A person finds her own purpose in life. What do you want for your existence?
Cz gazes at Shannon for a long moment. Shannon comes to a realization.

A year later, Shannon is pacing restlessly outside the cabin. His sister and a midwife is inside. Cz, his wife, gives birth to a daughter.

Raquel, in surprised tone - Shannon! Come and see!

Shannon runs in, expecting some horrid scene. Everything seemed pretty normal. Cz looks tired, but ok. Raquel is holding a healthy baby girl, but she has a strange expression on her face. Shannon looks closer at the baby.

Shannon - Cz! What- what's going on? What have you done!? Is this some kind of joke!?
Cz - This was the last directive given to me by Mauser before her self-termination. However, it is carried out by my own free will. This is my gift to you, and my penance.
Shannon - Do you think this will bring my sister back!?
Cz - ...
Raquel - Pamela.
Shannon - What?
Raquel smiles - Name her Pamela. You didn't see it, but... when she was Pamela, she was truly happy.
Raquel - We'll make sure she has a happy life, won't we?

[Firefly00]

The aliens consider Humans to be too violent. There propoganda anyway that they attacking the Human race to save us form ourselves. That is why they had the human race lock under that shield and keep to low tech. Anytime Humans make substiantial progress in advance technology there would be a purge of about 90% of the pop.
Genocide as a benevolent act... yeah, right.
Anyone else read this as 'we routinely purge the species to make sure they don't achieve an interstellar presence?'

[Xinil]

mlai: Great fanfic going on there.

I was a huge supporter of the Shannon X Cz relationship (that sadly never developed). Glad to see that someone else wanted something out of that too.

[Lost]

Very nice ideas for the plot, mlai, except that last one (just on Pacifica dying and a clone? coming back via Cz) would actually throw me off.

[GoTz]

i finally got around to watching this series...and the only disappointment that i have is...that i waited so long!

oh by the way...great fanfic
i wish Cz would have survived as well, she was my favorite character other than fulle.

[JagdPanther]

Oh, I absolutely loved this series. I thought all the characters were perfect. By far my favorite was Raquel. She was a great sister. ^_^ Being a ridiculously good mage and then spawning a ton of little dragons. :D And despite acting like a spoiled brat a lot (something I don't like), I think Pacifica was a great character. Very pretty, too. ^^;

I've said this before, but I need my animes to end happily. For whatever reason, even though I consider myself a man's man, I get really emotional if an anime doesn't end happily. This is one of my favorite happy endings. Everyone goes home happy. ^_^ I even watch the ending of this anime over and over after watching a depressing anime to cheer me up. Like when I finished Chrono Crusade I pretty much cried. So I had to watch the ending of SP again.

This is definitely one of my favorite animes. I feel it was so good that it's actually one of the animes that I absolutely would enjoy watching multiples times over. The only problem is that I have so much anime backlogged already (with some 16 more series going to be added by the end of May) that I never get a chance to! I have to set aside a down weekend in early June and watch this series again in a marathon.

Hoo-ah!

[Red Herring]

Alright I just got done watching this series. I bought the brick cause I like fantasy/adventure stuff.

Overall, I thought it was a pretty well done series that suffers from a weak ending. It seemed as though the writer got blocked so it was "deus ex machina time!!!!1"

Amoung other things, I was a big fan of Shannon x Cz. I mean, come on, what was the point of all that little girl stuff and then the part where she is tailing him in the city if they're just going to waste her in such an abrupt manner. I mean at least make her death glorious. A wasted opportunity there.

[Varis]

how come there is no thread on this?

I just saw this

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1558321845

I was speechless lol... now I need to watch it.

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

Anyone else read this as 'we routinely purge the species to make sure they don't achieve an interstellar presence?'

Lol, I'm having a Shivan moment from Freespace 1 and 2...

"lols those species are to advanced, time to destroy them!" *target sun* KABOOM!

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...D=15583 21845

Thats pretty cool. I shouldn't have watched it though, spoiled a lot of the series for me heh, oh well, doesn't matter I'll still watch it and enjoy it.

[Firefly00]

Lol, I'm having a Shivan moment from Freespace 1 and 2...

"lols those species are to advanced, time to destroy them!" *target sun* KABOOM!
Ah yes, Freespace... one of the last, and perhaps the best, of a near-forgotten genre in PC gaming. Thanks for the memories.

[gencbiba]

Hmm... I don't know how I still haven't seen this anime yet. I just started it like a week ago. I'm up to episode 11 now, and I think it's great. I still feel as if they could have done more with the story. Shannon is kind of weak in my opinion since he needs the strength of Zefiris or whatever her name is.

[DanielSong39]

I just finished watched the series and thought it was definitely above average. Some thoughts:

Ending - A bit disappointed, as it leaves a number of unresolved issues. At the very top is the Forciss/Pacifica ordeal; how can Pacifica stay after something like that? Not to mention all the murders, backstabbing, and assassination attempts by the government. It would've been much more believable if Pacifica and her siblings fled to the Giat empire and/or allied themselves with Princess Seness; at the very least they wouldn't be on the run all the time, nor be treated as scapegoats.

Other headscratching elements include the whole deal with Mauser (her arguments are so flawed that I don't know where to start), the unresolved romantic elements (siscon for the win, perhaps?), and the Winia/Chris coupling (an example of the Stockholm Syndrome?)

Romantic possibilities - No shortage of love triangles, as Pacifica and Shannon have their share of suitors.

For Pacifica:
Shannon - The most obvious possibility if she can overcome her oni-chan complex (but then, this IS anime...). She confesses her love to him at the end of the very first episode, and her affection and care for him is very obvious - not to mention her jealousy whenever someone else gets his attention. He in turn is very protective of Pacifica, and cares for her above everything else. Perhaps the most important relationship in the entire show.

Leo - He has a good heart, but is ultimately ineffective and cannot measure up to Shannon. Pacifica clearly sees him as a good friend, but he'll clearly remain second best as long as Shannon is there.

Fulle - I suppose you could call him Shannon 2.0. A lot of possibilities, if fate hadn't intervened...

For Shannon:
Pacifica - At this point he still sees her as his baby sister. It all depends on whether he will start to see her differently; if so, it's game, set, and match. But it may take some time for this to happen.

Zefiris - Quite possibly the most developed character in the show. She goes from an outside agent who uses the Casulls to carry out her own objectives to a genuinely loving guide and servant. In terms of maturity, wisdom, and dedication, she is at a level that no human can ever hope to reach. And she can go far beyond normal means of intimacy, as she can actually merge with a human - can't get much closer than that.

Shannon's trust issues and the fact that she is not human probably takes her out of the running - but nevertheless, a very interesting and well-done character.

CZ - Has an obvious crush on Shannon and they do seem quite compatible. But she wants Pacifica's blood, and is absolutely inflexible on that matter. Would've been in the running if she had given up on that matter... if she was human, that is. Well, at least they got to share an umbrella.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Having watched this about 1.5 years ago, I can't quite remember exact details about the ending anymore. I do vaguely recall that it felt rushed.

I'd agree with you to this extent -- the ending did indeed feel contrived. Something about Mauser wondering if it's best to let humans decide their own fates again, or to force them to live in a world of artificially repressed technology. With such a setup, what can you expect but the cliched answer? FREEDOM! (of course, meh).

That being said, I didn't mind the rushed ending that much, because I did enjoy the story and its characters. I also recall some pretty well-written lines. The whole idea of a sci-fi background for a fantasy story is a well-worn stereotype by now, and it usually leads to a plot filled with predictable "technology so advanced that it is indistinguishable from magic" cliches. But at least Pacifica was a lovable character -- even if she was a bit irritating at times. :)


Romantic possibilities - No shortage of love triangles, as Pacifica and Shannon have their share of suitors.

For Pacifica:
Shannon - The most obvious possibility if she can overcome her oni-chan complex (but then, this IS anime...). She confesses her love to him at the end of the very first episode, and her affection and care for him is very obvious - not to mention her jealousy whenever someone else gets his attention. He in turn is very protective of Pacifica, and cares for her above everything else. Perhaps the most important relationship in the entire show.

Hmm....perhaps, and perhaps not. The way I read it, it's just your typical younger adopted sister's crush on a dashing older brother. She'll eventually grow out of it, and hang out with.......


Leo - He has a good heart, but is ultimately ineffective and cannot measure up to Shannon. Pacifica clearly sees him as a good friend, but he'll clearly remain second
best as long as Shannon is there.


He may be ineffective, but hey, he's sincere! :D Trust me, sincerity is what wins you a girl's heart in the long run. ;)


Fulle - I suppose you could call him Shannon 2.0. A lot of possibilities, if fate hadn't intervened...


Call me jealous, but I was actually very glad Fulle got done in. It's soooo obvious that he's meant to be everything Pacifica loves about Shannon, with the added bonus of him not being her brother! Woohooo! Convenient way to get out of a "forbidden love" scenario -- not.

In any case, I highly doubt if Pacifica would have been so easily drawn to Fulle had she not been suffering from amnesia at the time. But that's just me. :p


For Shannon:
Pacifica - At this point he still sees her as his baby sister.


Yup, that pretty much sums up what I feel about Shannon as well.


It all depends on whether he will start to see her differently; if so, it's game, set, and match. But it may take some time for this to happen.


No, I don't think it'd ever happen. Shannon knows that Pacifica has a crush on him -- he's not that dense you know -- but at the same time, he's never given any hint of seeing her as anything more than a dear sister. You're free to imagine otherwise, but that'll only be fanfic on your part at best. ;)


Zefiris - Quite possibly the most developed character in the show. She goes from an outside agent who uses the Casulls to carry out her own objectives to a genuinely loving guide and servant. In terms of maturity, wisdom, and dedication, she is at a level that no human can ever hope to reach. And she can go far beyond normal means of intimacy, as she can actually merge with a human - can't get much closer than that.


The last dragoon (or does that more properly refer to Shannon? I can't remember). What else needs to be said? Zefi is easily one of my favourite characters in this show. :)


CZ - Has an obvious crush on Shannon and they do seem quite compatible. But she wants Pacifica's blood, and is absolutely inflexible on that matter. Would've been in the running if she had given up on that matter... if she was human, that is. Well, at least they got to share an umbrella.


Cz was a nicely written kink to the Shannon <-> Pacifica relationship, and it was indeed very sad that she "lost" most of her human memories once she was decompressed. But it appears that she retained enough of her humanity to allow herself to be killed in the end -- which makes her death so much more tragic. *sniff*

I'm not so sure that she had a "crush" per se though. She was definitely very attached to Shannon, but I suspect that it was more due to a sense of family, rather than romantic feelings.

[wsheit]

Hmm... I don't know how I still haven't seen this anime yet. I just started it like a week ago. I'm up to episode 11 now, and I think it's great. I still feel as if they could have done more with the story. Shannon is kind of weak in my opinion since he needs the strength of Zefiris or whatever her name is.

Just wait...the first half of the series has the primary purpose of introducing all of the important players. And Shannon is the man...despite having a girly name and all...yeah

[DieH@rd]

Hehe, i still remember Paciffica's nagging voice:

Raquell-nee!!!!
Shanon-nii!!!

:D

[whodhellknew]

hi guys,

I'm pretty sure this isn't the right place to ask, but I'll go ahead anyway.

Are there huge differences between the light novel and the anime and also, since Tokyopop has licensed the novel's translation, are they releasing the volumes according to the original Japanese version and thus it would take 18 volumes to finish?

Thanks

[carmolita]

Haven't read the novels(skimmed them in the bookstore) but IIRC they were written after the anime so I don't think there is much variation if any which is why I didn't buy them.

[chrno_the_sinner]

Haven't read the novels(skimmed them in the bookstore) but IIRC they were written after the anime so I don't think there is much variation if any which is why I didn't buy them.


Nope. Novels were the basis for the anime.

I've read the first three, and they're pretty good. Leo apparently doesn't come in until volume 4.

The Casul sibling's stay with Winia is expanded upon with a few nice short stories (Shanon cross-dressing as Raquel for example). The third book covers the fake Scrapped Princess story and Reynard has a much, MUCH more complex character rather than being some ugly dude.

[Vanehei]

ohh shannon corss dressing as Raquel... i want to read that..sounds interesting jeje

[whodhellknew]

Nope. Novels were the basis for the anime.

I've read the first three, and they're pretty good. Leo apparently doesn't come in until volume 4.

The Casul sibling's stay with Winia is expanded upon with a few nice short stories (Shanon cross-dressing as Raquel for example). The third book covers the fake Scrapped Princess story and Reynard has a much, MUCH more complex character rather than being some ugly dude.

Yeah, the novel definitely seems more fleshed out than the anime. But Tokyopop seems to have translated only 3 volumes and is crawling at snail's pace, which leads me to think that perhaps the cram more material in one volume than the Japanese version. Or maybe not.

cheers

[charizardpal]

The aliens consider Humans to be too violent. There propoganda anyway that they attacking the Human race to save us form ourselves. That is why they had the human race lock under that shield and keep to low tech. Anytime Humans make substiantial progress in advance technology there would be a purge of about 90% of the pop.


She betray humanity to save her brother and sister because she did not want them to fight in the war, but they die anyway Her brother was one of the Original Dragoons.

Doesn't it bother the viewer that the aliens have been building their technology for 5,000 years while humans did nothing? The characters seemed oddly calm about this during the ending. I mean, the humans could barely hold off the aliens with tech 5,000 years ago, now they've been tossed back to the middle ages and kept from development for 5,000 years on top of that!

Not only that, but will not the aliens just return and bomb them off the face of the world now that the violent (but now primative) humans have returned (and can no longer be safely sealed away as a harmless threat?)

[DanielSong39]

It seemed like the aliens left the humans alone after winning the war... who knows, perhaps the humans were the aggressors in the conflict, and the aliens had no interest in finishing the humans off once they were beaten.

The real villain in the series seems to be Mauser, who held onto a grudge for 5,000 years and used it as an excuse to torture and murder humans. But since she decides she's tired of it all at the end - so I guess the situation is resolved.

The final major conflict is the one between Forciss and Pacifica; she really should have left the country after all of this - and allied herself with the other princess, who actually did something for her. You tell me, would you rather side with someone who saved your bacon on a number of occasions, or someone who literally stabbed you in the back?

[Angrypokstick]

Well i do understand that he stabbed her in the back quiet literally. you got give the prince some slack, he was semi-brainwashed/persuaded by that cardinal and he genuinely believed that doing so would protect his people and he had enough guts and regret to kill him self as well. I m sure on some level that Pacifica understood that so i guess thats why she is staying. Besides everything is over, humanity will probably be at peace and nations will cooperate again to walk their own path as Mauser said.

So,i have a question is it ever explained why Mauser's siblings are identical to Shannon and Raquel? For that matter why does Mauser look almost identical to Pacifica? Are they genetic reincarnation or something or it was all planned that they would become natural clones.

[Forbin]

Genetic Drift or Destiny.

Take your pick.

[Gwydion]

As for the question on the Casull siblings looking exactly like the siblings from the past, I believe it was explained that it was planned so that they would, er, "show up" at a calculated time - in this case, 5,000 years later. I don't remember the exact details, but I believe it was mentioned in the episode where the beast princess was explaining about the people who had the Guardian, uh, gene...? Don't think that's what it was called, and I'm honestly too lazy to look right now. ^_^;;

As for why she stayed instead of running to Giat, Pacifica showed over and over again that she takes the blame on herself for everything. I believe she was able to forgive Forsythe because he was simply trying to protect his people in the only way he knew how - she wouldn't blame him for that, she'd blame herself. It was the same with the man who had thrown her away as a baby - he tried to kill her, but she apologized. She likely genuinely wanted to get to know her brother.

As for Mauser, I don't know that she held a grudge... she became a part of the system in order to save her siblings. That of course backfired, but the siblings set in motion a plan so Pacifica many years later would be able to override Mauser, in a sense. That's what Pacifica was designed to do as the Providence Breaker, but since she was early, she was given the ability to choose to act as the Providence Breaker normally would have or not. I don't think Mauser had any choice in the matter as she was part of the system. That and she'd acted as Mauser for so long that she likely was genuinely confused as to whether or not the other lifestyle would truly be better. But I could be misunderstanding something or remembering it wrong.

Personally, I loved the ending. I really didn't want to see a lot of romance added in - it didn't seem to fit, in my opinion, anyway. Though the teaser at the very end was cute.

[DanielSong39]

I just don't think it's plausible to defend Forciss; you can always hide behind the "end justifies the means" argument but the bottom line is that he committed a heinous crime. The fact that he attempted suicide on top of it makes it even worse. I'm sure he thought he was doing the right thing, but he is so weak and delusional that it's hard to take him seriously. And the people he's surrounded by (except for Chris, the Baroness, and a few others) are so twisted that they actually make the Peacemakers look like the good guys. I would've much rather seen Pacifica side with the Giat princess.

As for Mauser, it's highly probable that she was highly delusional or lying. Her story simply doesn't add up. Not only does she carry out her shenandigans for 5000 years following the death of her siblings, she even likens her situation to Pacifica's! I would've admired Forciss a lot more if he had taken that knife and shoved it up Mauser's back - at least then the ending would've made more sense.

[MushroomSamba]

Personally, I loved the ending. I really didn't want to see a lot of romance added in - it didn't seem to fit, in my opinion, anyway. Though the teaser at the very end was cute.

I'm with ya on that. Romantic ties seemed more like an afterthought in the series, and to be honest, felt a bit forced (see Stockholm Syndrome couple). The only relationships that needed to feel resolved or conclusive was that of the siblings. And, as expected, they ended up together happily-ever-after. Going into detail about the couplings at the end would've been unnecessary fluff.

[ApostleOfGod]

Definitely a great series, and one of the best. You can't always have it all ways, and it's a good lesson learned in the end. IMO, this feels like it has very close ties to Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann (Another sick series).

To comment about the Stockholm Syndrome mentioned above, now that I think about it, it kind of reminds me of Gregory the short story, except in this situation, the hostage was freed and the captor sent a letter to the hostage. Maybe it was a love letter? o_O. Haha.

The Ending Joke won me over. When Shannon got Pacifica back, that scene was JOKES. I watched the English subs (not fansubbed) so it might have been different, but she calls him a pervert and a pedophile and he calls her a shameless princess and an Exhibitionist... LOL. Pure jokes.

10/10 series.

Edit: All this romance talk is off topic IMO. To me, it was just a light element tossed in to enhance drama and comedy (however ironic that may seem). Pacifica rejecting Leo was brilliant too. She's better off with... Dragunov... than with that failure of a man called Leo! :P

Damn, I miss Furet. I would have enjoyed watching him vs. Shannon.

[Deathkillz]

Just finished this series so throwing out some thoughts here.

Now this is just the adventure series I liked seeing. The development for Pacifica and her siblings are really good not to mention the story line. There was a few "I can see that from a mile away" scenes but also some unexpected findings. The characters were rich and full of life but unfortunatly due to the size of the cast, a large portion of the cast remains unexplored outside of the usual trio. This is the biggest annoyance for me actually is seeing how undeveloped the supporting characters were. While chris did get minimal but somewhat fluffy development (I really can't see him changing that easily) - his team were virtually left unexplained.

This also spreads to the dragoons and peacemakers. Whilst the other losers don't need that much of a personality check to see that they are "evil" - I would have really appreciated it more to see something coming from Cz...she was probably the best character in the series, next to zefi and raquell but also the one who is less explored for what potential she had there. This was rather disappointing for me at least - considering that pacifica gave her one of the ear rings - I was sure she was going to act out of defiance or something later on. I was sure she could have broken out of the circle as well to fight with zefi for shannon :p

The fights were average overall but the way the all ended was just: "face palm oh my god". As blown up as the peacemakers seemed to be, they sure where "easy" to kill...too easy in fact seen as 2 of them died at the hands of the inferior trio. The deux was pretty hard to swallow I must say.

Zefi was another character with wasted potential...we know she could show more emotion but the writers failed to develop on it. But I have to say that her blush is moe enough to melt ice caps ;)

Putting the negative asides...I say that this series was definitely worth watching. The ending stays true to the "happily ever after" theme and I don't see anything wrong with a happy ending. Pacifica deserves it after being through think and thin, highs and lows. The story was actually quite captivating for me - with the post apocalypse thing going one as well as another one that was to come (if it wasn't for those meddling kids :rolleyes:).

More could have been explained though such as who exactally were those aliens and maybe going up into space to drill some ass...err wrong story ^^

But with that said, the length of the series is enough as I am sure 52 eps would surely kill the momentum (as well as my will to watch it in the first place).

Great series despite flaws...7/10 ;)

[Moonbase]

I just finished the series and am wondering about the light novels. They are still going on, right? Has anyone been following these releases? How do they compare to the anime in terms of fleshing out detail?

[Oxtail]

Just finished this series and I loved it. The intricate and ultimately epic plot was the highlight for me. At times it did feel a little rushed, but not so much as to hinder my enjoyment of it. I personally think it would have been easy to stretch this series out to 52 episodes or more. I see so many places they could have expanded on things that were just briefly mentioned. It wouldn't have flown by at the quick pace of this series, but I don't think it would have made it too slow, either.

Biggest negative for me in this series was definitely Leo. He kept reminding me of Raki from Claymore. Leo spends way too much time wallowing in self-pity for someone who's trying to become a knight. And his awkward one-sided advances towards Pacifica bordered on the creepy. I never realized he was wearing the same headband until she mentioned it at the end. And how clueless do you have to be to propose marriage(again) to someone right after she shows you her treasured keepsake and only remaining memento of the man she loved who gave his life for her? My dislike for Leo is so great that I think if they had ended up together at the end it would have ruined the series for me. :p

[DanielSong39]

I liked the series overall but felt very little sympathy for Forciss. Once Mauser moved on, he became the true villain of the series, and for him to ascend to the throne was a really weak move. He will continue the pattern of corruption of his ancestors and bring judgment upon the land... hopefully Pacifica won't pull a Mauser and commit repeated acts of genocide...

Princess Seness of the Giat empire was the Casull's true ally and they should have given their allegiance to her... I'd rather serve a person who put their kingdom on the line for me, as opposed to someone who stabbed Pacifica in the back...

As for Chris, he's a pragmatist and opportunist who will always find the path to survival. Textbook example of amorality and added a new dimension to the show...

And the Peacemakers? R.I.P, especially Cz - I owe them an apology for doubting their motives and intentions; the humans were clearly in the wrong and they were fully deserving of punishment...

Ah, and finally, our happy couple, Shannon and Pacifica. May you live long and prosper; I'm sure you'll have the support of Raquel and Zefiris...

[Moonbase]

Ah, and finally, our happy couple, Shannon and Pacifica. May you live long and prosper...

...what? Think something is amiss here.

[Captain Yoruichi]

Oh, sorry to revive this after so long. But I wanted to put in my two cents. ^_^

Scrapped Princess is another anime that I personally love and think is underrated. It ran for 24 episodes, but it's so good that it feels shorter, because when you get to the last episode, you'll wish there was more. ^__^

It's my favorite dub anime by far. I don't think I've even watched it with subtitles, actually.

Pacifica is voiced by Kari Wahlgren, who I was already a fan of from Tales of Symphonia, but her range is so awesome that I didn't even realize she was doing Pacifica's voice until I saw her name in the credits. ^_^

[Magin]

Kari Wahlgren is incredible with her vocal talent...

otherwise, I'll never be over the fact that they offed Ciz (I don't care if she was enemy, she was cute loli and then hot woman, and I liked her being with Shannon), but at least the little Dragoon girl got to be with Shannon

[ApostleOfGod]

Don't be sorry about reviving an awesome thread dedicated to an amazing anime :)

Scrapped Princess recently came to my mind, as I was thinking of animes to rewatch - such an amazing series... Underrated, not very known, deep, simply spectacular.

[Asleep]

I loved Scrapped Princess. Bones, nice voice acting, sci-fi/fantasy, great characters. And it had a lovely ending. I really liked that she rejected Leo too ;) But really, it was all and all a pleasure to watch, and had one of the rare happy endings.

[Saki_chan]

And it had a lovely ending.

Haha, is that really a spoiler?

Anyway, I agree. Scrapped Princess is a great anime. I've got the first three of the novels, too, although I've only had time to read the first one. -_- (Stupid homework...)

[Asleep]

Haha, is that really a spoiler?

Anyway, I agree. Scrapped Princess is a great anime. I've got the first three of the novels, too, although I've only had time to read the first one. -_- (Stupid homework...)

Well I know some people who hated the ending because it was too happy.So I didn't want to reveal how it ends :p

[golthin]

Well I know some people who hated the ending because it was too happy.So I didn't want to reveal how it ends :p

In this case that ending was very appropiate. Why do you ask?

Everyone had suffered so much during the whole show. they were due a little happiness.
I also like that Pacifica rejected Leo

[Asleep]

In this case that ending was very appropiate. Why do you ask?

Everyone had suffered so much during the whole show. they were due a little happiness.
I also like that Pacifica rejected Leo


I know and I absolutely agree with you! but many people hate happy endings for some reason

And I loved Zephiris. It was nice to see her as a milkmaid (?) in the end :D I had really thought she wouldn't survive.

[Saki_chan]

Everyone had suffered so much during the whole show. they were due a little happiness.
I also like that Pacifica rejected Leo


I like that she rejected him, too, although I didn't feel like it was terribly final. I feel like it was more of an "I'm not ready to be married to anyone yet" rejection than an "I don't feel that way about you" rejection.

That said, it'll probably become an "I don't feel that way about you" rejection sooner or later, because poor Leo's totally not her type. :p

[chaos_animagic]

I just watched the last episode of Scrapped Princess - seem that the series isn't that popular... can't find much info on it...

The ending is nice and all... but...

I feel like they got the crap end of things... since they did lost 6000 years of technology and culture and language (English is lost, and how come only the Japanese survive?)...
They were kept in the olden years and did not allowed to develop and evolve because of the Peacemakers...

Also... whatever happened to the "Humans/ Mankind" that was outside of the "Seal"? since they did say that the outside humans are trying to break the seal from outside... but we never did see what happened... (and it was for 5000 years... did they gave up or did the outside humans get wiped out by the aliens?)

Also... I hate that stupid Mauser girl... just cause she wanted to save 2 people, she doomed mankind (how many people is there in this?... I am guess that she doomed over 50 million people) and in the end, the 2 people she wanted to save also died...
LOL at Mauser girl talking about aliens saying Mankind is precious animals... than why don't they (the aliens) leave and not attack mankind instead?... that would solve everything... cause they were the reason the war started...

[4Tran]

Given that this show's over five years old, I don't see the need for spoiler tags :):
I feel like they got the crap end of things... since they did lost 6000 years of technology and culture and language (English is lost, and how come only the Japanese survive?)...
They were kept in the olden years and did not allowed to develop and evolve because of the Peacemakers...
Pretty much, although the language they're using is more likely to be English than Japanese.

Also... whatever happened to the "Humans/ Mankind" that was outside of the "Seal"? since they did say that the outside humans are trying to break the seal from outside... but we never did see what happened... (and it was for 5000 years... did they gave up or did the outside humans get wiped out by the aliens?)
I don't think that the outside world was ever expanded upon, but implication is that they're all dead. If they were still alive, then Mauser would have been far less worried by Pacifica, and we should have seen the interaction of the Outside humans with the Inside humans at the end of the show.

LOL at Mauser girl talking about aliens saying Mankind is precious animals... than why don't they (the aliens) leave and not attack mankind instead?... that would solve everything... cause they were the reason the war started...
The aliens probably never wanted to exterminate mankind to begin with. It wouldn't be that different from us creating a nature preserve (or a zoo) to save the last few specimens of an animal species. In this case, humanity is a lot more dangerous, and the aliens never wanted to stick around. I'd imagine that if the newly released humans demonstrated that they were no threat, the aliens would leave them alone as well.

[Magin]

No need for spoiler tags? Keep in mind, there are still those out there who haven't seen the show despite its age (there are things out there that are over ten years old that I haven't seen, and could still be spoiled on), and therefore much of this stuff is still considered as spoilers...

but anyways...

yes, I always did wonder about fitting that piece back with the rest of the Earth... I know we'll never see a sequel, but it does leave a lot of questions, such as if people were wondering what the gaping hole in the world was, and also, when it was put back into place, how it going back affected the rest of the world, if there even was any. And I still wonder if Zephy could've changed from her Loli form (heh, shannon could get both a loli and a beautiful young woman...). Though, I personally don't classify this as a happy ending, but rather, a decent/okay ending... despite Zephy, I'll always be upset about Ciz's fate

and on a side note, even though I haven't touched it in ages, the way things went with Shannon, along with the technology stuff, inspired me to write a fic using those as a basis for a little idea that I have yet to complete...

[4Tran]

No need for spoiler tags? Keep in mind, there are still those out there who haven't seen the show despite its age (there are things out there that are over ten years old that I haven't seen, and could still be spoiled on), and therefore much of this stuff is still considered as spoilers...
Oh, don't get me wrong, I rather appreciate you taking the effort to put your points inside spoiler tags; it's just that I feel that they're unnecessary for a number of reasons. The first is that the point of spoiler tags is to keep people from being inadvertently spoilers. Since this is the discussion thread about a show that finished airing ages ago, I'd think that it should be expected that people would be discussing all aspects of the show; including the ending and any shocking developments. Also, someone who hasn't watched the show or is beginning to watch the show would be reading this thread from the beginning. Since the earlier posts already discuss the ending, then any reader would encounter the spoilers long before they get here.

For anime threads, use spoiler tags whenever you discuss any details about a different show, or if you're discussing material that hasn't been released in an English format. The exception is if the material is from a pre-existing like the original manga or novel, in which case that material shouldn't be discussed in the anime thread until it's been animated.

yes, I always did wonder about fitting that piece back with the rest of the Earth... I know we'll never see a sequel, but it does leave a lot of questions, such as if people were wondering what the gaping hole in the world was, and also, when it was put back into place, how it going back affected the rest of the world, if there even was any.
This might have been detailed in the original novels - the fourth of 13 volumes has just been released in English by Tokyopop.

[klare]

this show seems to be highly rated, it is on my watch list after i finish Hirugashi

been trying not to click the spoiler tags :)

[npcomplete]

Yes, it's an excellent show. One of my favorites.

This might have been detailed in the original novels - the fourth of 13 volumes has just been released in English by Tokyopop.

Do the novels go beyond the anime?

[Magin]

The novels are... different from the anime, in that they do cover bases that the anime never covered. I haven't personally read any of them, so I'm just going on what I've heard



this show seems to be highly rated, it is on my watch list after i finish Hirugashi

been trying not to click the spoiler tags :)


and 4Tran, here's a perfect example of why even ending spoilers about a show that's been over for years probably need to be in tags... (though klare is probably going to start from page one as it is...)

[chaos_animagic]

Pretty much, although the language they're using is more likely to be English than Japanese.
But... in the anime, when they were in the engine room... they didn't know how to read English and even asked what language that was... and that other girl had a piece of paper to see what the words are...

The aliens probably never wanted to exterminate mankind to begin with. It wouldn't be that different from us creating a nature preserve (or a zoo) to save the last few specimens of an animal species. In this case, humanity is a lot more dangerous, and the aliens never wanted to stick around. I'd imagine that if the newly released humans demonstrated that they were no threat, the aliens would leave them alone as well.
As you said... "Humanity is a lot more dangerous... Humans demonstrated that they were no threat"... This basically goes against what Mauser said... she said the alien think Humanity is "precious"... Precious does not equal no Threat...
The Alien attacked cause of "Threat" and not to "preserve mankind"...
Basically the Alien tricked Mauser to doom her own kind, stupid girl...

I'll always be upset about Ciz's fate
Yea, I had thought Cz, aka Sim would have remembered her time with Shannon-nii and stay with him, but in the end Cz died ;(

[PastPrime]

Yea, I had thought Cz, aka Sim would have remembered her time with Shannon-nii and stay with him, but in the end Cz died ;(

She did remember. At the last moment she told him that she was sorry but, although he tried, it was to late for Shannon to stop his final strike.

[4Tran]

and 4Tran, here's a perfect example of why even ending spoilers about a show that's been over for years probably need to be in tags... (though klare is probably going to start from page one as it is...)
While this thread tends to be fairly late in getting into the ending spoilers, they start at about post 30-40. Anyone reading this thread is going to get spoiled anyways, so why should we go through post after post of spoiler tags?

But... in the anime, when they were in the engine room... they didn't know how to read English and even asked what language that was... and that other girl had a piece of paper to see what the words are...
Cool. It's been about four years since I've actually watched the show.

As you said... "Humanity is a lot more dangerous... Humans demonstrated that they were no threat"... This basically goes against what Mauser said... she said the alien think Humanity is "precious"... Precious does not equal no Threat...
The Alien attacked cause of "Threat" and not to "preserve mankind"...
Basically the Alien tricked Mauser to doom her own kind, stupid girl...
That's sort of my point - that as long as humanity does not pose itself as a threat to the aliens, they are likely to leave humanity alone.

[Xellos-_^]

While this thread tends to be fairly late in getting into the ending spoilers, they start at about post 30-40. Anyone reading this thread is going to get spoiled anyways, so why should we go through post after post of spoiler tags?


Cool. It's been about four years since I've actually watched the show.


That's sort of my point - that as long as humanity does not pose itself as a threat to the aliens, they are likely to leave humanity alone.


Humanity is no threat till it reaches the space age again. as soon as humanity becomes competition like last time it will be a threat.

[FateAnomaly]

I always thought that it is because humanity posed a threat to themselves and other races and thats why they were attacked. Humans would probably destroy themselves with their WMDs. The aliens never wanted to exterminate humans and whats her name girl realised that and thats why she defected.

[yezhanquan]

I think whatever the outcome, it's a path which was walked down with eyes open. Experience is vital for knowledge. So, what are the aliens to dictate what we can or cannot do?

[chaos_animagic]

Humans would probably destroy themselves with their WMDs.

But Humans didn't have those before the Aliens come...

Humans develops the Dragons, Gias (can't spell), and the Valkyries (the Peacemakers that betrayed the creaters)... Dragons and Gias needed a Human Pilot, while Valkyries are powered by AI...

The Aliens took over the AI because Mauser gave them the information to do it...

If the aliens didn't come and attack, there would have been no need to develop those super powerful weapons...

[Saber Cherry]

My impression was that the girl did not really betray humans selfishly. I could be wrong, and it's been a while, but I thought she stated that the peacemakers were insufficient to win the war. As a clairvoyant, she knew that humanity was going to be destroyed on the present path, and thus acted secretly to secure a plea-bargain that would at least keep the species alive.

As for who attacked whom, I don't remember if that was made clear. But sometimes, when warlike and paranoid cultures meet, war just happens. It's easier to negotiate from a position of complete control.
And also, Zephy should be in SaiMoe.

[FateAnomaly]

But Humans didn't have those before the Aliens come...

Humans develops the Dragons, Gias (can't spell), and the Valkyries (the Peacemakers that betrayed the creaters)... Dragons and Gias needed a Human Pilot, while Valkyries are powered by AI...

The Aliens took over the AI because Mauser gave them the information to do it...

If the aliens didn't come and attack, there would have been no need to develop those super powerful weapons...

Not really. If they could , they would develop it irregardless whether they need it or not. Thats how it is in the real world. Weapons development is always in progress without stopping.

[chaos_animagic]

Not really. If they could , they would develop it irregardless whether they need it or not. Thats how it is in the real world. Weapons development is always in progress without stopping.

Yea... they could develop it... but the point is... the Aliens are the ones that drove them to develop it in the first place...

If the Aliens wasn't there, maybe the weapons won't have been developed for many more years... (kinda like the "space race" where Russia send the first Rocket into space... than the US followed... than the other countries sees this and started developing their own rockets...)



BTW... I also noticed something...

If the Aliens is saying Humans are precious...
Than why did the Aliens program the Peacemakers to have a function to eliminate 90% of mankind for a reset?
As far as I know... if you think something is precious... you wouldn't destroy it...
Unless you're EMO or INSANE or just plain crazy...

So... basically the Aliens WANTS to take control of Human lives and don't let them have any freedom... which is what the "mauser faith/ church" is for... making people believe in whatever the Aliens wants them to think... no free will or thoughts... cause you're basically being controlled by the teachings from others that's hiding the truth from you. (kinda like todays religions... some of them are just plain crazy...)

[FateAnomaly]

So the aliens should be stupid enough to allow humans to fully develop their weapons before attacking them.

The aliens don't really want to control humans as much as they want to keep humans under control. All of them left after the threat was eliminated. The aliens left a human in charge afterall.

[chaos_animagic]

The aliens don't really want to control humans as much as they want to keep humans under control. All of them left after the threat was eliminated. The aliens left a human in charge afterall.

Tho... the funny thing is...
The Aliens were the first ones to attack the Humans...
We don't even know if the Humans was going to attack the Aliens... for all we know, the Humans may have wanted peace with the Aliens...

What Human in charge? Mauser isn't a Human anymore... she's already dead and is a ghost living inside the computer in that sealed world... (how did you think she only appears after Pacifica died? and was talking to the dead Pacifica?...)
The ones in charge is the Peacemakers... they're the ones directing the Humans to follow the mauser faith...

Also, how would you have felt if the Aliens attacked us in RL with no reason what so ever?...
I would be super pissed and retaliate back...

[FateAnomaly]

Its still her consciousness in there. She isn't any different than when she was alive.

Of course, it is normal to be pissed off when you get attack. But it like the aliens are farmers and see the humans as wolves that threaten them. We humans do the same thing all the time.

[klare]

a very good series, the ending is a bit unexpected

noticed it looks weird when the characters walking, especially walking further away from the camera

- when they introduce a new char to become very close to Pacifica but make him die soon, and she could not remember him
- when Pacifica met her mother in the prison but did not know who she is

even the plots and the truth have been revealed, i feel this is a series that is worth to rewatch

[Mistypearl]

After watching Scrapped Princess for the first time I really liked it, one of my firsts, but it was too sad for me at some parts haha. But I think I'm about ready to rewatch it. So when I was waiting for my mom in Big Lots and saw that they actually had vol. 1 and 6 of it, I ended up getting that and 2,3,4,5 on amazon. yay :) Good series with sci-fi and fantasy twists.