[Discussion] Lustful Scars (Spoilerful if you have not watch up till ep23)

[Yebyosh]

There are some things the anime has done to increase my interest in Scar. But the main thing that got me thinking was the implied possible relations (no, not that kind of relations) with Lust.

My train of thought...


Hmm... Scar's elder brother with a female that Scar thinks Lust resembles.
Scar's elder brother playing around with alchemy to restore 'her'.
Scar keeps commenting on Lust's similarity with brother's girl.
Say... how old is Scar? Looks like early teens in that Isshuvarun war (lasted 13 years, ended 6 years back). So now early to late 20's?
Then if what the anime crew try to play with people's mind is true, then Lust must be less than 13 years old... wait that is not right...
Greed says 130 years have passed. The Sins know each other. Hereto, Lust is of equivalent age.
Something funny is going on down here...:twitch:
Possible explanation (if what the anime crew's obvious sledgehammer on your head is true)...

Lust is created recently but knows Greed from seeing him in his prison.
or Scar is way older than we think he is and the war in his flashback is not the Isshuvarun Massacre but a war much earlier in the past (centuries back).
Possibility 1 can be discounted with the following material from the manga.
Lust knows Wrath. Greed does not know Wrath but knows Lust. Wrath is 60 years old. Ergo, Lust is at least 60+years old.

Note that so far Scar's history in the manga is still shrouded in much mystery. I believe he also shows no signs of recognition of Lust's features.

Hence Possibility 2 would fit more to explain what the anime crew is trying to throw around here. Either that or we got ourselves an incongruity around here :heh: or its a red herring and they are playing with our minds!!!:heh:

[Grav]

Good points.

For a brief moment I thought of the idea that Scar's brother is Ed's dad, but how likely is that?

1. They (Ed's dad and Scar's brother) both delved into the Philosopher's stone.

2. Scar says that Ed has the same eyes as his brother. If Scar's brother shacked up with Ed's mom, the traits of the Ishbal people wouldn't be so apparent (Dark skin, red eyes)

3. We don't know when Scar's brother died, or if he actually did. Scar says so, but it might have been a trick of some sort.


Just a crazy theory :sad:

[YuuOminae]

Good points.

For a brief moment I thought of the idea that Scar's brother is Ed's dad, but how likely is that?

1. They (Ed's dad and Scar's brother) both delved into the Philosopher's stone.

2. Scar says that Ed has the same eyes as his brother. If Scar's brother shacked up with Ed's mom, the traits of the Ishbal people wouldn't be so apparent (Dark skin, red eyes)

3. We don't know when Scar's brother died, or if he actually did. Scar says so, but it might have been a trick of some sort.


Just a crazy theory :sad:

I really want to see this theory die since people seem to be misinterpreting what was said.
When Scar said they had the same eyes, he meant the same sort of look of determination Ed had.

[Grav]

I've never seen that idea before I posted it here, but that's how it usually goes eh?

I'll let it die then.

[sarcasteak]

Either that or we got ourselves an incongruity around here :heh: or its a red herring and they are playing with our minds!!! :heh:

Lust claimed ignorance both times Scar questioned her...so maybe the anime crew really is screwing with us! :frustrated:

Another theory could be that Lust impersonated as an Ishbala girl and enticed Scar's brother; she left him crazy over her and gave enough clues to Philosopher's Stone (or that he knew already)...then ran off. That theory doesn't make that much sense seeing how Lust really didn't seem to have any idea what Scar was talking about, though.

[Gravi-T]

There are some things the anime has done to increase my interest in Scar.
I think everyone have noticed the tattoo on Scar's forearm. And I really don't know if this will count as a spoiler (since I haven't read the manga)... but here it goes:
http://w1.853.comhem.se/~u85333543/Anime/scartattoo.JPG
Namba roku-roku (?), #66 or Barry the Chopper implied that he had seen Scar's tattoo somewhere before. My theory is that he had been to that chamber (since his soul was affixed in the armor, they had to do it SOMEWHERE and why not the room of the "possible Philosopher's Stone"?).

So there is a connection between Scar, the room and the Philosopher's Stone. My guess is that Scar's brother implanted the tattoo on Scar. Because he needed a human sacrifice to make the Stone and the only available person was Scar. And in that experiment, he lost his own body (died) and Scar got an awful Philosopher's Tattoo. That's my theory! Feel free to speculate!
(I was going to make a thread similar to this, but that darn Yebyosh beat me to it ;))

Also the text says Terra, which means Earth in Latin. I'll have to look up what Ndan. is short for and what colia/colla(can't really see which one it is) means.
I think A is a preposition. It probably means in or on. So we have "Earth in..." or "Earth on...".

As I said, I haven't read the manga and I hope you guys don't reveal any spoilers. From the manga, I mean. :)

UPDATE:
I Googled the abbreviation "Ndan.". Found a lot of jibberish in some Yugoslavian language. So I searched for "Ndan." latin. Same there, with one exception.
This site:
http://www.evertype.com/standards/wynnyogh/thorn.html
Here it is:
3.1 Six sorting practices have been found for ÞORN. Two traditions of transliteration are known. As a helpful way of reviewing the literature, we have numbered these practices 1 through 8. Following that first number is a four-letter abbreviation for language (Goth ‘Gothic’, Grmc ‘Germanic’, Icel ‘Icelandic’, MEng ‘Middle English’, NDan ‘Modern Danish’, NEng ‘Modern English’, OEng ‘Old English’, OIce ‘Old Icelandic’, ONor ‘Old Norse’, Swed ‘Modern Swedish’) and the approximate date the sorting order was written (this may not reflect the date of the publication of the work and is meant to be approximate). It should be noted that in choosing the sorting orders used in the works below, editors may not only have been informed by the conventions of the target language (Old or Middle something); certainly that language has some influence but so has the language in which the work is written, the mother tongue of the author, or other theoretical considerations (cf. Bessinger’s use of Icelandic order for Old English at 1.OEng.1960 below).
So. What did we get from that? Ndan. might mean Modern Danish and since it says something about year... I thought that maybe some of the letters in the tattoo doesn't mean it is an abbreviation. MAYBE it is a DATE! If someone is familiar with Roman numerals, please try to reasearch this too!

I'm not quite sure if the makers of the anime and/or manga were trying to say something with this. Maybe the whole Alchemy event is based on reality from some place in Denmark, 1623? Just a guess. I hope that it is this complex, because it's fun to research things like this! And it shows how smart and hardworking the creators were. :)
END OF UPDATE

2ND UPDATE
Just a short one. If any one has the strength to research some more about alchemy and everything, try this website:
http://levity.com/alchemy/
There is a program for Latin translation. Can someone try it? I can't right now, I'm going to school now! :) Bye!
END OF 2ND UPDATE

[sarcasteak]

Hm, how about another theory: Lust and the freind of Scar's brother simply look alike?
There are always people who look similar to others, so why shouldn't they just have the same face...
Okay, it isn't very likely, since it's an anime and in most cases something like this has some hidden meaning, but we shouldn't rule out this possibility.

Hehe we've already covered that with the "anime crew is messing with our heads" theory :heh:

[SketchyMcChips]

2ND UPDATE
Just a short one. If any one has the strength to research some more about alchemy and everything, try this website:
http://levity.com/alchemy/
There is a program for Latin translation. Can someone try it? I can't right now, I'm going to school now! :) Bye!
END OF 2ND UPDATE

There's mention of the philosophers stone in one of the texts on this page.

read this http://levity.com/alchemy/arnaldus_treatise.html - its hard work as the english is very antiquated. When i've finished reading it i'll update and put some points of note in the post - just as a little teaser, theres talk of liquifying bodies and 'terra' as well...

Update 1
also try this text http://www.levity.com/alchemy/goldtrct.html - WARNING - it looks long and boring!!!

Update 2
From what i've been readinghttp://www.levity.com/alchemy/arsenal_.html it seems that, as we already know, the first part of the philospophers stone is made from parts of humans. None of the texts spell it out clearly - probably because it was seen as rather unsavoury. This part is called the 'Mercury'.

There are also the sun and moon parts to be added which seem to be Gold and Silver.

There is a slightly disturbing reference to 'the very pure menstruum of a prostitute woman'...

[fenrihr]

if you notice a few eps back, scar's bro was covered in the same tattoos that are all over the room, my guess is that he figured it out and made an incomplete one, but went mad doing so, maybe it took something intangible, like his sanity.

there's a possibility, in my own head, that his brother grafted his right arm onto scar for some currently unknown reason, possibly he asked his brother to do it, or he asked someone to give him the right arm of his brother so he could do it.... who knows.... just my wild 'n' crazy theories.

as for the text, i'm sure it means something, but it's not going to mean what you think it means until you're told what exactly it means.... if you know what i mean....

also, don't neglect the couple of letters the the left and right of TERRA. i'm sure the letters mean a lot if you were to try and make sense of it.... or they mean absolutely nothing. probably no middle ground.

[Kamui4356]

We know that the tatoos have something to do with the philosopher's stone, and that scar's brother was doing research in that area, dispite alchemy being banned among the ishtar people. It's possible that Lust was trying to influence Scar's brother into making a philosopher's stone, and that was really her. Though that doesn't really make that much sense...
What I'm more intrested in is why the Ishtar people banned alchemy. Since that tatoo and the markings in that room were based on Ishtar research from before the ban, it's obvious that they were trying to create a philosopher's stone long ago. Maybe that has something to do with the ban. Or maybe it has something to do with the creation of the sins...

[ziphra]

I don't know much about the manga or alchemy for that matter.
But I have a theory that could be likely? I dunno, it popped into my mind. :confused: I'll put spoilers just in case...


Well, in the series the creation of the philosopher's stone required the sacrifice of human lives. Relating the fact that Scar's brother searched for a way to create the stone, and somehow the same tatoo design on Scar's arm is on the walls of that room from Eppy. 22, just without any justification lets just say that it [the tatoo design] is required for the transmutation of the stone. [Obviously ziph, its a transmutation circle sorta thingie...]

Maybe, just MAYBE [^_^] knowing that human sacrifices were necessary in order to create a Complete Philosopher's Stone, Scar's brother gave him an arm tatooed with the necessary transmutation circles for the creation of the philosopher's stone, just rapped around a human arm. In this way, everytime Scar's arm kills a person (why he is aiming for State Alchemist's is probably beyond me, maybe just because he hates them...or something he doesn't quite know himself?) it fulfills part of the requirements for the Philosopher's Stone! but this is just my theory on the idea...

EDIT: oh and for the Latin Translator, all I got was "Earth from...ndan" so Whatever NDAN means is up to interpretation till we can find the actual meaning.

[Gravi-T]

I don't know much about the manga or alchemy for that matter.
But I have a theory that could be likely? I dunno, it popped into my mind. :confused: I'll put spoilers just in case...


Well, in the series the creation of the philosopher's stone required the sacrifice of human lives. Relating the fact that Scar's brother searched for a way to create the stone, and somehow the same tatoo design on Scar's arm is on the walls of that room from Eppy. 22, just without any justification lets just say that it [the tatoo design] is required for the transmutation of the stone. [Obviously ziph, its a transmutation circle sorta thingie...]

Maybe, just MAYBE [^_^] knowing that human sacrifices were necessary in order to create a Complete Philosopher's Stone, Scar's brother gave him an arm tatooed with the necessary transmutation circles for the creation of the philosopher's stone, just rapped around a human arm. In this way, everytime Scar's arm kills a person (why he is aiming for State Alchemist's is probably beyond me, maybe just because he hates them...or something he doesn't quite know himself?) it fulfills part of the requirements for the Philosopher's Stone! but this is just my theory on the idea...

EDIT: oh and for the Latin Translator, all I got was "Earth from...ndan" so Whatever NDAN means is up to interpretation till we can find the actual meaning.
Well part of that theory was the thing that that I wrote. :)

Okay, we've got "Earth from Ndan.". Does it mean Earth as in Tellus or earth as in soil? Maybe it means that one of the components in the PS (Philosopher's Stone) is "soil from Ndan."? Or that it first was created/found in Ndan.?

By the way, has anyone heard of the towns in FMA? Like Youswell Coal Mine and Central City and so on. There was one town called... Xenocity? Xenogear? Zerocity? Something like that. If someone can look the cities up, we might get a geographical location of where Ndan. is. Or something like that.

If we can crack this case before the last episode (Ep. 52) we'd be Sherlock Holmes-kind of detectives! That means we'd be REALLY good! :)
Good luck to everyone! ;)

[Fighter Volk]

Ndan... Xenotime? Yeah, Xenotime did indeed have a whole thing going on with *earth*, but.... hmm, let's examine the simple stuff between Earth as Terranigma or Earth as soil...

Earth as Terranigma... so, Terranigma, being our 'Earth', so Terranigma from... perhaps that would imply that the Philosopher's Stone has something to do with the origin of the world? Hmmm....

Or, soil from Ndan... then indeed, we might look to Xenotime, or a city we haven't seen yet. Then that would mean that the Philosopher's Stone originated from the earth?

Anyway, this is simply stating the obvious.

[sarcasteak]

Like everyone else, I don't really have an idea what Ndan means... maybe "Eden"? *shrugs*

[Gravi-T]

Ndan... Xenotime? Yeah, Xenotime did indeed have a whole thing going on with *earth*, but.... hmm, let's examine the simple stuff between Earth as Terranigma or Earth as soil...

Earth as Terranigma... so, Terranigma, being our 'Earth', so Terranigma from... perhaps that would imply that the Philosopher's Stone has something to do with the origin of the world? Hmmm....

Or, soil from Ndan... then indeed, we might look to Xenotime, or a city we haven't seen yet. Then that would mean that the Philosopher's Stone originated from the earth?

Anyway, this is simply stating the obvious.
I think you got something wrong.
Tellus = The Earth
Terranigma = The mystery of The Earth
Terra = Earth or The Earth

Calling our planet Terranigma is wrong. The word Terranigma is Terra and Enigma put to one. And it means The Mystery of The Earth or The Riddle of The Earth. I guess you got the word Terranigma from the game. :P

But yeah, it might have something to do with the creation of the world. Maybe The PS is the thing that made the Big Bang? :O

But terra as soil might mean that The PS actually can revive people. Because you don't become ONE with the EARTH unless you DIE. And that's when you get buried and after a while you "turn into" soil too. SO, if you die you regain your life with that Transmutation Circle and it might mean that Ndan. in some way is LIFE or DEATH.
So I think that it might be either
EARTH FROM LIFE or
EARTH FROM DEATH
But that's not a translation, it's just a wild guess. Keep looking everyone!

[Grav]

http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/mayan-mythology.php?deity=NDAN

NDAN gives his or her (or its) name to the seventh day of the Mayan nine-day week.

Seven part transmutation circle?


Besides that, from what I can tell ndan is a word in arabic or somesuch.

[fenrihr]

ed did modify the 6-point array to a 7-point array. is there a pattern of 7 in the tattoo? i couldn't say as i've not seen the whole thing.

earth from seven? earth from seven days?

it's def an abbreviation, but most words i've seen after searching will end with "______'ndan"
rather than starting with it.




(and now i just found NDAN means 'and yet', "on the contraty", and "on the other hand", plus a good many other things in elvish from Tolkien's LotR, he used Elric, why not?)

(see here http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:8LQ89nhU2nUJ:www.uib.no/People/hnohf/index/index.rtf+ndan+%2B+abbreviation&hl=en&ie=UTF-8)

[Grav]

It might just be a suffix like maru.

[ziphra]

Well part of that theory was the thing that that I wrote. :)

ah Gomen! sorry to sorta "steal" your theory. I must not of read this thread thouroughly...Gomen! Gomen! Gomen! :(

EDIT: oops forgot to get to my point.(and now i just found NDAN means 'and yet', "on the contraty", and "on the other hand" in elvish from Tolkien's LotR, he used Elric, why not?)

ok putting two and two for neat sake, we have "Earth on 'on the contrary" or "Earth on 'and yet" which we could probably shorten out to "Earth on the contrary." for the first one. now...what in the world does that mean? :hmm: :)

EDIT TWO: OMG...ok forgot to read Grav's definition of NDAN. taking THAT into account on its own we have "Earth on the seventh day." maybe its some kind of metaphor for creating something on the seventh day? we shouldn't take it fundamentally, like the Bible [although some do take the creation stories fundamentally.] so, any interpretations?

[Rasengan]

I was told by some Japanese pen-pals that the tattos on Scar's arm and the same marking on his brother and in the room is the marking for Philosopher Stone, the marking has to be in the Transmutation circle or somewhere near the Alchemist to be able to create the complete Philosopher's stone.

IF this is true, then I think that Lust indeed did make Scar's brother fall in love with her, faked her death, then made him create a PS to revive her. Maybe he was like Ed, someone Lust wanted to lure into making the stone by giving him as much clue about the Philosopher's Stone as she can. Then maybe he did create a PS, but went insane doing so and killed many Ishbar people, so he put the marking on Scar's arm hoping he will again create the stone in his steps to achieve some kind of dream. And I have no clue as to what happened to the first PS Scar's brother made...

^ Not very likely because it doesn't make much sense but yeah.

[from_the_sand]

well, this may betotally irrelivent, but god rested on the seventh day according to the torah/old testament, so.....


-maybe he made the philosophers stone, which does have the power to revive.....
a proof for this would be that human transmutation is in god's territory....and if he made the PS it is like...aw idunno

-mayeb he created the philo stone the seventh day?
(1st theory beter)

perhaps the PS is also gods territory and making one will ultimately fail..........

[Grav]

Or the Philsopher's stone is God. o_o

If Scar's arm says "colis" then all I know is that its "the stalk of a plant."

A "collis" is a hill, or high ground.

[from_the_sand]

actually on closer inspection, i noticed there is more text on the circle/scar/whatever!!!
below ndan it says something like "coli"(IT LOOKS LIKE IT IM NOT SURE) and on both sides of terra it says other things i cant make out. so if some people could find that ot we might be able to get closer.

[Grav]

Okay, it says "colia."

http://gsurge.com/misc/terra1.jpg

http://gsurge.com/misc/terra2.jpg

So we've got

dop
aa

on the left and

something [pretty sure it says "me"]
ca

on the right..

[SketchyMcChips]

Okay, it says "colia."

So we've got

dop
aa

on the left and

something [pretty sure it says "me"]
ca

on the right..

It actually looks like sic. to me.

[ziphra]

Maybe the philosophers stone isn't some stone or other physical object, but the tattoo, Scar's brother had... this way it would be ultimately be bound to a person, after it was created, which could explain, why there are no completed stones around, even though somebody probably already succeeded in the past. Scar's incomplete tattoo would be the same as all those red liquids/stones... just an incomplete "stone".
i was just thinking about something when i read this. in one episode [i really forget which one now, so someone help me out on it] they said that there are three methods involved in the use of alchemy right? uhm....now i forgot what those were but i remember two to be destruction and reconstruction. IF the Philosopher's Stone is truly an alchemical miracle in itself, it should serve to expand this three aspects of alchemy to their fullest, if not infinite, extent. So maybe pieces of the stone deal with these three aspects. Scar's arm may be the aspect of destruction as we only see him bumping heads....literally, and then the liquid stones have the power of limitless creation, without the need for the necessary materials required in normal transmutations. I dunno, just a thought to ponder for some! :)

[Grav]

The three things ALA mentioned were "Understanding, deconstructing and reconstructing" or something like that. The first part isn't really a step.

[Gravi-T]

It actually looks like sic. to me.
To me, it looks like a "me". But when I zoom in (or look a little closer) it looks like a "sic.". Really weird! :)

Grav: Lol, I wrote colia on the first page. Some people just don't read other people's posts. :D

I just noticed that Ndan might not be an abbreviation. According to Grav's screenshot, it's a ",". So it's:
"Terra a Ndan, colia".

Now let's find out what "colia" means.
http://66.102.11.104/search?q=cache:WwfE_mJI82EJ:69.1911encyclopedia.or g/D/DU/DURER.htm+colia+latin+english&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
That link "says" that it might be "Melan-colia" which probably is the same thing as Melancholy. So "colia" means "choly"??

So it's "Earth from/on the Seventh Day, colia". Yes, God rested the Seventh day, when he created the Earth. So "colia" means "rest"? That is a possibility. Or it might as well mean "destruction". :P

I looked up "rest":
Meaning:
caetera: the rest, that remaining
cetera: for the rest, otherwise
ceteri: the remaining, the rest, the others
ceterus: the other, the rest.
cubitus: a lying down, rest
a lying down, rest
curo: (+gerundive) to see to a thing being done; cure, rest.
manage, administer; provide money.
to care for, trouble about, pay attention to.
laxamentum: a widening, expansion; rest, respite
nitor: brilliance, brightness, glow, elegance, splendor.
splendor, glow, elegance, brilliance, brightness.
to rest, lean, support oneself; trust in, depend upon.
to strive, exert oneself, make an effort, persevere.
quies: quiet, rest, peace; a resting place; sleep; a dream
quietis: quiet, rest, peace; a resting place; sleep; a dream
quiesco: (-evi, -etum) to rest, sleep, be at ease; stop (doing something)
requietum: to rest.
sileo: to be still, silent; (+ acc.) be silent about; rest.


Then I looked up "destruction":
Meaning:
eversio: an overturning, destruction, ruin
exitium: destruction, ruin.
occasus: setting (of the sun, etc); the west; fall, destruction.
perditio: loss, destruction
pestis: plague, epidemic, pestilence; destruction, curse.
plague, epidemic, pestilence; destruction, curse.

And also "understanding":
Meaning:
intempestivus: f.p.p., understanding, being understood
intelligendo: f.p.p., understanding, being understood
lumen: light, lamp, lantern; light of day; the eye; clearness; understanding.
per: (+ acc.) (cause) because of, on account of.
(+ acc.) (means/instrument) through, with, by, by means of.
(+ acc.) (of space) through, along, over; in the presence of.
(+ acc.) (of time) throughout, during, in the course of.
(prefix to an adjective) very, excessively, quite
before, formerly.
on condition that, with the understanding that.
sic: on condition that, with the understanding that.
so, thus; yes, that is so, that is right.
quod: on condition that, with the understanding that.
which, what, that
(beginning sentence) and, but, now.
(neut. sing. acc.) (the sea), WHICH you cannot drink dry.
(neut. sing. nom.) (the war), WHICH killed so many.
(with comparative) the x the better (quod celior = the faster the better)
(with time) since, as far as, to the extent that.
because, whereas, the point that, the fact that.

I used this translator:
http://www.sunsite.ubc.ca/LatinDictionary/
( http://latin.realdictionary.com also works, but it didn't this time, so I used the other one)
Reconstruction and deconstruction never showed up. Neither did "colia". :?

[Grav]

Grav: Lol, I wrote colia on the first page. Some people just don't read other people's posts. :D


LOLROFLATWO!! :D :D :D :D :D :D

And some people are just rude. You wrote colia/colla, it wasn't too clear so I checked myself.

[Fighter Volk]

Another random idea...

Someone mentioned above that 'colia' has something to do with higher or elevated ground? Then, perhaps, when God made the earth, he was resting on 'higher ground' when he made the Philosopher's Stone? This wouldn't help us with deciphering the meaning of the Stone, but who knows?

[Grav]

Nah, that was a different word. If it only made that much sense, heh.

[Youko Recca]

What is it with the number seven?

[SketchyMcChips]

What is it with the number seven?

Ndan was a mayan goddess who represented the 7th day of the 9 day mayan week.

[from_the_sand]

i was just thinking about something when i read this. in one episode [i really forget which one now, so someone help me out on it] they said that there are three methods involved in the use of alchemy right? uhm....now i forgot what those were but i remember two to be destruction and reconstruction. IF the Philosopher's Stone is truly an alchemical miracle in itself, it should serve to expand this three aspects of alchemy to their fullest, if not infinite, extent. So maybe pieces of the stone deal with these three aspects. Scar's arm may be the aspect of destruction as we only see him bumping heads....literally, and then the liquid stones have the power of limitless creation, without the need for the necessary materials required in normal transmutations. I dunno, just a thought to ponder for some! :)


perhaps there is one taht gives great knowlege...and maybe in the chamber where ed fought the armor, when those three things put together they are the 'ingedients' or the things needed for an equivalent trade to make a stone.....(maybe plus a human or osmething)

[Youko Recca]

Ndan was a mayan goddess who represented the 7th day of the 9 day mayan week.

Not only that but other things are represented with the number seven,makes me think all those thing are peices to a puzzel or something.

[Gravi-T]

LOLROFLATWO!! :D :D :D :D :D :D

And some people are just rude. You wrote colia/colla, it wasn't too clear so I checked myself.
LOL... you thought it was "colis" :D

I've tried to search for "colia" on Google, but nothing important came up. I'll try again later.
Has anyone searched for the whole phrase? "Terra a Ndan, colia"? Or even "Earth on the Seventh Day"

[Grav]

LOL... you thought it was "colis" :D


People on the internet tend to be stupid, so it's better to take things into your own hands, I'd say.

[Zauren]

Heyas. This is my first post, but I've seen all 23 Episodes, and Scar is my foremost-of-interest person. =) But there's a few things people haven't seemed to mention in regards to him and his obvious link to the Philosopher's Stone, and if they have I'm just stupid. But here they are!

1) Scar's got an obvious scar on his bicep (Seen best when Ed first met him and ripped off his sleeve), as if the arm was grafted on. His brother had two arms that looked exactly the same in the flashback. He said his brother, a family member, gave him that arm, and he has shown signs of the tattoos reacting to things (He knew Nina was a human/beast mesh), as well as showing odd memories he shouldn't have (Such as knowing all the Alchemists without meeting them, or doing what the arm says up to and including going against God when he doesn't seem to want to.) Does his brother live on in the arm, in some sort of MGS2-esque Liquid manner? O_O

Also odd, is why he didn't start killing everyone until recently. Al knew him at least three years before, and he only killed Nina at that point. And wanted into the Central Library for whatever reason. Maybe only killing Alchemists is also a trick, to get a specific energy. And Lust could just be lying, or she could be a non-memory clone of Scar's brother's friend; They want the stone to become human, after all.

2) The fact that recently he absorbed an incomplete Philosopher's Stone, after reacting to it. That's odd in a way, but not too odd since it's needed to make a Philosopher's Stone. What if his killing is part of the sacrifices needed? They said they could form the Red Water into the stones inside a pregnant girl, maybe his brother tried to do the entire process internally as well, rather then in a room like recently, killing the people one by one instead of through a true circle.

[Gravi-T]

2) The fact that recently he absorbed an incomplete Philosopher's Stone, after reacting to it. That's odd in a way, but not too odd since it's needed to make a Philosopher's Stone. What if his killing is part of the sacrifices needed? They said they could form the Red Water into the stones inside a pregnant girl, maybe his brother tried to do the entire process internally as well, rather then in a room like recently, killing the people one by one instead of through a true circle.
Well... That wouldn't really work, since the people who are about to be sacrified are supposed to be alive when you sacrifice them. Else one could just take any body at the morgue and start creating the PS from there.

"inside a pregnant girl". You mean pregnant WOMAN. We haven't seen any teens having children in this series, have we? :D

[from_the_sand]

by the way its only int he anime that scar shows up three years earlier. i trust the manga since its directly from the creator. (but te anime still rocks)

[Gravi-T]

I just want to bump this thread, since we got new material from Episode 25!
We found out that Scar's arm really is his brother's arm. I remember that someone had exactly THIS theory! Really cool! :)

Here's another pic of Scar's arm (not a spoiler, but I put it in a spoiler tag anyway):
http://w1.853.comhem.se/~u85333543/Anime/terraandan.jpg
This is from the second ED, where you can see fast pictures of some things, including Scar's arm (so it DOES have some significance?!), Ed, Al, the Rockwells and their dog.

Here's another cool pic:
http://w1.853.comhem.se/~u85333543/Anime/edforcelightning.jpg
Don't know what it means... but probably SOMETHING. Maybe Ed gets some awesome Force powers later on? :D
EDIT: EXACTLY when I posted it, I thought that MAYBE that ball in the middle is the Philosopher's Stone?! Weeeee! The pictures aren't that easy to see, they go by very fast.

[Incendentus]

I just want to say this first:

From a scientific basis, the Philosopher's Stone is some manner of object that holds a high concentration of pure energy (in the series, obtained from beyond...wait, can I say that...major spoiler...anyone who wants to know will have to contact me personally though that info may be in ep 1-23 but i can't remember)...it could be anything, an arm, a stone, a suit of armor. Why?

Basic scientific theory says: Matter cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only change form.

Advanced Scientific theory says: Matter and energy are one and the same. They are the same thing, just in two different forms (cough...M Theory...cough). Matter can be transformed into energy, and vice versa.

So, in order to bypass the law of Equivilant Exchange, one would need an enormous ammount of energy, which could be transmuted into whatever type of matter desired. There would also be a limit to the power of the stone (reguarding the ammount of energy it has stored and how much is needed...er...it would run out eventually). This theory (to the best of my knowledge) fits everything known about the stone in the series.

Now, on with the real topic:

So how does this relate to this thread?

Perhaps the text seen on Scar's arm (and in all ps transmutation circles)is in fact simply a list of the ingredients needed to create a stone. And/or instruction on how to accomplish this (simplified instructions of course). Or maybe it has something to do with what I mentioned above. After reading this and other threads, I have decided to contact Funimation reguarding the text's meaning (yeah, it probably wont turn up anything, but it is possible, or they may give me a link to someplace that could tell me). I'll keep you posted because we need an accurate translation.

[emothekat]

I SHALL USE KNOWLEGE OF SEEING UP TO EPISODE 48

ok
lust is Scars brothers lover(side note:Scar hated his brother for having "Lust" cause he liked her too)
The flashbacks are definatly from Ishbal but His brother didnt die after transmuting Lust. He died later when everyone was fleeing Ishbal. In order to save scars life he gave Scar his arm. The markings are because scars bro turned himself into a transmutation circle. KImbly then killed Scars bro

Lust somewhat remembers Scars brother.
Scar might not have been a teen at the time and now my head hurts cause I'm thinking too hard :heh:
I'll give more info once I regroup my mind

[..::Hacker::..]

I have to agree. emothekat makes sence.

[ryzenko]

ok everyone i was researching the symbols and i realized that certain symbols mean certain things... for example the "Dap aa" is a reference to the genone and amino acids and science stuff, yet the "Sie, ca" is more of a combination of genders or a gender neutralization, in some cultures it was believed that the perfect being, or the ultimate goal for life was the complete unison of both male and female... and if you go by old germanic for the "terra a Ndan colia"... it would assume that everything will revovle around the life and death aspect... the uroboros.... everything is connected and feeding upon itself... to shift all sorts of energies eventually to the same... on the seventh day thing... in the bible there is actually reference to alchemy back in babylonian time, and some variations of old alchemic texts lead on to there being a choice between chemistry and alchemy, and our world being the chemistry... is it possible that their "terra" is an alternate world of ours? the story seems to have german roots and everyone aryian... in some cultures( and nazis) it was believed they were the pure race... speaking of similarities... dont the ishbalans vaguely represent jews? sorry to get off subject but there is alot of underlying information here if you want some i will gladly answer


also anyone who would like the images of scars arm tattos then i will gladly email them

[Richardw]

To me, it looks like a "me". But when I zoom in (or look a little closer) it looks like a "sic.". Really weird! :)

Grav: Lol, I wrote colia on the first page. Some people just don't read other people's posts. :D

I just noticed that Ndan might not be an abbreviation. According to Grav's screenshot, it's a ",". So it's:
"Terra a Ndan, colia".

Now let's find out what "colia" means.
http://66.102.11.104/search?q=cache:WwfE_mJI82EJ:69.1911encyclopedia.or g/D/DU/DURER.htm+colia+latin+english&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
That link "says" that it might be "Melan-colia" which probably is the same thing as Melancholy. So "colia" means "choly"??

So it's "Earth from/on the Seventh Day, colia". Yes, God rested the Seventh day, when he created the Earth. So "colia" means "rest"? That is a possibility. Or it might as well mean "destruction". :P

I looked up "rest":


Then I looked up "destruction":


And also "understanding":

I used this translator:
http://www.sunsite.ubc.ca/LatinDictionary/
( http://latin.realdictionary.com also works, but it didn't this time, so I used the other one)
Reconstruction and deconstruction never showed up. Neither did "colia". :?

Hi,

I really love the Sunsite Latin dictionary and use it often. I've recently come across another great Latin dictionary (http://www.babylon.com/define/112/Latin-Dictionary.html) online, which is also free of charge and has a great collection of bilingual, English Latin dictionaries. Try it out. Hope you like it.
Rick

[Spectacular_Insanity]

There are some things the anime has done to increase my interest in Scar. But the main thing that got me thinking was the implied possible relations (no, not that kind of relations) with Lust.

My train of thought...


Hmm... Scar's elder brother with a female that Scar thinks Lust resembles.
Scar's elder brother playing around with alchemy to restore 'her'.
Scar keeps commenting on Lust's similarity with brother's girl.
Say... how old is Scar? Looks like early teens in that Isshuvarun war (lasted 13 years, ended 6 years back). So now early to late 20's?
Then if what the anime crew try to play with people's mind is true, then Lust must be less than 13 years old... wait that is not right...
Greed says 130 years have passed. The Sins know each other. Hereto, Lust is of equivalent age.
Something funny is going on down here...:twitch:
Possible explanation (if what the anime crew's obvious sledgehammer on your head is true)...

Lust is created recently but knows Greed from seeing him in his prison.
or Scar is way older than we think he is and the war in his flashback is not the Isshuvarun Massacre but a war much earlier in the past (centuries back).
Possibility 1 can be discounted with the following material from the manga.
Lust knows Wrath. Greed does not know Wrath but knows Lust. Wrath is 60 years old. Ergo, Lust is at least 60+years old.

Note that so far Scar's history in the manga is still shrouded in much mystery. I believe he also shows no signs of recognition of Lust's features.

Hence Possibility 2 would fit more to explain what the anime crew is trying to throw around here. Either that or we got ourselves an incongruity around here :heh: or its a red herring and they are playing with our minds!!!:heh:

There are so many thing wrong with this theory/these theories that I barely even have time to go into it....

A few points:

Scar is probably not more than 30 years old or so, give or take about 5 years. The Isbalan rebellion didn't take place all that long ago; couldn't be more than 2 decades, AT MOST. Your idea of Scar's age is utterly, utterly absurd, as Mustang, Armstrong, Kimbley, and various other State Alchemists put the rebellion down. They are definitely not as old as that.

It is very possible that Lust is no more than 20 years old or so. She was created when Scar's brother tried to bring her back to life, but failed (obviously). Lust is no where near Greed's age. Greed was created by Dante, or so was implicated. Just because they know each other does not make them the same age in the least.

Wrath is NOT 60 years old. Where the heck did you get that from? A fanfic? He's comparable to Ed and Al's age, as said by Izumi and Sig. Lust is older that Wrath, but nowhere near the same age. She's probably at least twice as old as he is.

Scar's history is not shrouded in mystery. Either you haven't read all the manga yet, or you need to read it again. Multiple times.

Your faulty logic says that "this person knows that person, so they must be the same age!". That's WRONG.

[Sannom]

Wrath is NOT 60 years old.

He was speaking of manga!Wrath, obviously. And this one is 60 years old.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

He was speaking of manga!Wrath, obviously. And this one is 60 years old.

Well, if you cared to look at the title of the thread, this is an anime-based discussion, and the anime differs in plot greatly from the manga.

[Sannom]

I know that, thank you :p

But you were wondering why he gave Wrath the age of sixty years old, and he stated in this part of the post that he was talking about the manga. Why anyone would use the manga to prove a point in the anime , I don't know :D