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Pellissier
2010-05-28, 06:20
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Ice Block
2010-05-28, 13:45
It start's off with Kanade being unconscious in the ward. It seems that Yuri felt bad for the unexpected incident caused by Absorb. Anyway, we have Otonashi staying by Kanade all night. Christ hops on to Kanade's PC and copies (I think) the Angel Player program, while TK and Matsushita are assigned to guard the ward.
Anyway, in the meantime, we have Otonashi recalling more of his life before death. Apparently, he and a few others survived the train crash. Being the aspiring physician that he is, he takes control of the situation, patches up the wounded and divides their remaining rations. This is all in Day 1 of the crash. He explores the tunnel, but he finds out that they are completely sealed in. The days roll by, and people started dieing due to a combination of lack of food (hunger) and injuries (and there was even some internal strife for water). Otonashi himself suffers from some internal bleeding in his abdomen area. Day 7 comes, and they are all spent. Rescuers arrive and drill through the wreckage but Otonashi is already dead by that time. End of recollection.
It's now morning, and Kanade has awoken. She and Otonashi have a nice, long chat, and I believe it is related to her motives and opinions regarding disappearance. Anyway, Kanade get's reinstated as the SCP, and the SSS are made to write apology notes as punishment.
Wordy ep, so I didn't really understand much of their dialogue. Will need subs. Kanade was cute though.
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/Angel%20Beats/th_1275068985413.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/Angel%20Beats/1275068985413.jpg) http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/Angel%20Beats/th_1275068987962.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/Angel%20Beats/1275068987962.jpg)
And it looks like next ep is going to be Yui-centric (her voice at the end of the preview sounds ominous).
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/Angel%20Beats/th_1275069276973.jpg (http://s307.photobucket.com/albums/nn312/matr1x_zzz/Angel%20Beats/1275069276973.jpg)
skyy54264
2010-05-28, 13:56
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inb4Yui sings Good-bye days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT9Sd5ZD_FA) in that episode
margafred
2010-05-28, 14:48
Didn't care about the first 75% of the story...just Otonashi's memory before his death. I'm just interested in the last 25% of the story. I didn't pay attention to the conversation between Otonashi and Kanade, because the scenes were too beautiful, couldn't help but to repeat those scenes of Kanade staring again and again :heh:
Glad to see her back as a student council president =w=
But i was kinda disappointed coz Otonashi didn't hug her when he saw Kanade woke up. It was a nice scene when Kanade pampering his head softly, too bad he didn't return it with a hug.
Anyway what's with JC staff's name popping on the credit list...i saw AIC and Gainax's name on the previous episodes before...i wonder if they have anything to do with this series, like work collaboration?
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4696/12750682241785342540.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/12750682241785342540.jpg/)
Otonashi's flashback lasted a bit too long for my taste, but it was interesting. Otonashi is the Jack Sheppard of this show. He really has no luck... the rescue team arrives right after he kicks the bucket. At least, he had time to ask for his organs to be donated, and he was happy to think it might have helped somebody.
The Otonashi x Kanade scene near the end of the episode was nice. So nice. She gently stroked his hair, his cheek and then his pe-- no, not that one. But I really though a kiss was going to happen for a moment. And she really calls him Yuzuru now.
From what I understand, Otonashi realized Kanade was trying to help everyone move on to the next life all along, and he agrees to help her with that job, as he isn't bitter anymore after remembering the rest of his life. He enjoys being the SSS but he feels leaving this place and starting a new life wouldn't be so bad either. Him and Kanade are now secretly plotting the others' "disappearance/salvation", and for that purpose, Kanade is reinstated as student council president. Looks like she's going to resume her old "activities", with Otonashi helping her from the inside.
The preview: Yui is the first to go? Why is it always the singers? Anyhow, I'm looking forward to learning more about her life.
the epicness was overwhelming First Yuzuru's remaining life....saving people givin them hope and dying by himself....not complaining....then the YuzuXKana cuteness to the point with the help of JC Staff men....wish more but where nearing the ending...the first salvation is Yui
PS:
Wish Yuzuru Tells Yuri this
"If this world was a system created by God and moves according to his will--- then I'll rip apart that illusion!"
aeriolewinters
2010-05-28, 15:57
This sets up Otonashi as Kanade's replacement if ever she disappears, though I don't think She will given that Yuri won't. So it'd be a grudge match, though this might be something else.Also good choice of first target, you practically kill off GDM with one shot.
Otonashi's flashback lasted a bit too long for my taste, but it was interesting. Otonashi is the Jack Sheppard of this show. He really has no luck... the rescue team arrives right after he kicks the bucket. At least, he had time to ask for his organs to be donated, and he was happy to think it might have helped somebody.
The Otonashi x Kanade scene near the end of the episode was nice. So nice. She gently stroked his hair, his cheek and then his pe-- no, not that one. But I really though a kiss was going to happen for a moment. And she really calls him Yuzuru now.
From what I understand, Otonashi realized Kanade was trying to help everyone move on to the next life all along, and he agrees to help her with that job, as he isn't bitter anymore after remembering the rest of his life. He enjoys being the SSS but he feels leaving this place and starting a new life wouldn't be so bad either. Him and Kanade are now secretly plotting the others' "disappearance/salvation", and for that purpose, Kanade is reinstated as student council president. Looks like she's going to resume her old "activities", with Otonashi helping her from the inside.
The preview: Yui is the first to go? Why is it always the singers? Anyhow, I'm looking forward to learning more about her life.
So would that mean Otanoshi will be a bad guy in their eyes (the SSS' eyes)? Then Otanoshi can stay in the afterlife and live happily ever after with Kanade and they can ma-
in the purgatory XD
So would that mean Otanoshi will be a bad guy in their eyes (the SSS' eyes)? Then Otanoshi can stay in the afterlife and live happily ever after with Kanade and they can ma-
in the purgatory XD
no they won't... Yuzuru want to cross over too,because he wanted to have a new life...but he can't; because he wants to help the SSS moves on before he moves on...thats what Kanade been doing now....but she doesn't know their past so she doesn't know what to do for them....that's where Yuzuru come in....to know their past and make them move on....and he said at the preview telling Yui, "I'll grant it for you!"
I thought it was a rather decent episode. With Otonashi and Kanade planning to make everyone disappear I can see a nice confrontation coming up with Yuri and them. I am gonna hate them for making TK disappear though. :uhoh:
I wish after everyone disappears when they all enter HS again...they are classmates like Hinata and Yuzuru going to school together, Yuri and Iwasawa eating, Kanade is the SCP and they still have their club as SSS but they don't remember anything though.....hahaha that would be a great ending, and TK was a transfer student so he's mysterious!
Anyone else was misty eyed?
Whatever direction this show is following or heading toward as a series, individual episode wise this has been by far the best episode aired for me. If I were the epitome of pessimism I would definitely would say, "No good deed goes unpunished." Very well done! Enjoyed it a lot. All the scenes that were played out to convey these strong emotion were done nonchalantly. Much more effective. Poor Otonashi!
Btw, what's with all the spoiler tags? The thread title already says episode 9.. I would imagine the title is specific enough to make such courtesy redundant considering the episode is available for watch........
Francismeunier
2010-05-28, 17:47
Incredible drama! It moved enough towards :T_T: for Otonashi's part. Also I have decided with this episode to do the organ donation upon my death card that everyone did and that moment it moved to tears I would have to say. I also got some strange vibes around here=>
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because the girl to the right looks kind of like Hatsune....Otonashi's sister. Also Otonashi's wound here=>http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/francismeunier/number%20two/number%203/d0d15be9.jpg looks like something really rammed during the accident so did he=>die from internal wounds? A pocky reference again?=>http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/francismeunier/number%20two/number%203/5370c7f7.jpgAgain :T_T: here=>http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt288/francismeunier/number%20two/number%203/f673113b.jpg mostly because of what someone said earlier about Otonashi about this part. So next episode Yui.......really wonder what her life was about before she died. Also some people said that Otonashi will join with Tenshi for the whole life passing......well if they do that then I am afraid there might be a large information crunch to make all pass on. They might have to do 2 characters each episode. As a final thing....almost done with my GIFs for episode 8 but this episode has far less GIFs but there are some nice Tenshi x Otonashi moments in this episode to make. Also from the looks of it can they make a Otonashi x Tenshi disappearance one shot when they will be the ones left only or they are going to be kept around for a while since a second season might come up with more people coming to this world? Anyways really nice drama in this episode......really loved it and 10/10 just for that.....also nice compassion of Otonashi in helping the people. :smile:
Anyone else was misty eyed?
Cried buckets of tears and will fill my organ donations things.
Whatever direction this show is following or heading toward as a series, individual episode wise this has been by far the best episode aired for me. If I were the epitome of pessimism I would definitely would say, "No good deed goes unpunished." Very well done! Enjoyed it a lot. All the scenes that were played out to convey these strong emotion were done nonchalantly. Much more effective. Poor Otonashi! Well said! I am with 100% on this! :)
Btw, what's with all the spoiler tags? The thread title already says episode 9.. I would imagine the title is specific enough to make such courtesy redundant considering the episode is available for watch........ Well I use them for pics pointing since they take a lot of space and only leave out one for some display. I guess maybe the episode is not subbed yet? I kind like being courteous to people in any way there were way too many MAL people doing that and people complained about it so I try to limit that in regards to my experiences there.
KariOhki
2010-05-28, 18:56
Well, I didn't expect the series to end up here when I started it. Shirou's :3 moment will be when he's saved everyone, but will the SSS let him do that? They'll probably figure it out sooner or later...
4 eps left, and an entire squad to get rid of.
skyy54264
2010-05-28, 19:26
I didn't like this episode. It felt rushed and awkward. The previous episode was packed full of comedy and action and this made a huge jump to drama and plot exploration. Not only that, the entire plot and how the afterlife "works" was explained by Kanade in five minutes - rushed the ending of not only the episode but to the series as well. This also destroys Kanade's character; she's been established as a Kuudere character but that topped off with a huge "misunderstanding" that could've been avoided only revealed her ignorance. If she had known it was a misunderstanding all along, why does she not alter her methods of confronting the SSS? I assume she never had a chance to speak to them because they would become aggressive at her sight but the way she approached them gave off the vibe that she was the villain. Key did a much better job with their previous kuudere characters (Tomoyo from Clannad and Mai from Kanon) than Kanade. This personality of her actually takes away from the show's enjoyability.
Yui_Nyan
2010-05-28, 19:26
Yay, we get to see the SSS's past traumas! But... anyone else got the feeling a certain sparring partner will disappear next? :upset:
Well, I didn't expect the series to end up here when I started it. Shirou's :3 moment will be when he's saved everyone, but will the SSS let him do that? They'll probably figure it out sooner or later...
4 eps left, and an entire squad to get rid of.
they are gonna hide their alliance from the rest i think... otonashi is gonna be kanade's informat. instructing her what to do while feeding her inside information he gathers while being a member of SSS.
tsunade666
2010-05-28, 19:34
This episode might be the most heavy for me. The past of otonashi the last moments and the feelings within it. It's really ..... great... and awesome.
Though when kanade wakes up I was sure yuzuru would hug her .....well that's a bid of minus for me but it's all great.
Hypernova
2010-05-28, 19:35
My only reaction was surprise they didn't sign the thing when they got the cards in the first place.
My only reaction was surprise they didn't sign the thing when they got the cards in the first place.
me too...and where the hell did all of them get the card?....
Lostdreams
2010-05-28, 20:06
me too...and where the hell did all of them get the card?....
It's their identity card. I think everybody carries one around in Japan.
me too...and where the hell did all of them get the card?....
I think that its something that everyone carries -- like an ID.
Great episode overall, loved Otonashi's past and how he sacrificed himself for others; not to mention that he didn't worry anyone about his injury
10/10
I think that its something that everyone carries -- like an ID.
Great episode overall, loved Otonashi's past and how he sacrificed himself for others; not to mention that he didn't worry anyone about his injury
10/10
yup me too...great inspiration...One of my favorite char...
Key Board
2010-05-28, 20:16
Otonashi reminds me of Shirou from Fate Stay Night
he has a severe saviour complex
he wants to save everyone.. no, he obssesses about it
but he's put in a situation where the goal is not to kill each other to survive, so his morality does not clash with the setting like Shirou
still, I wonder if this will make him truly happy in the end? because to me this path can only lead to one thing: he will become the new Tenshi of that purgatory
Eater of All
2010-05-28, 20:16
A nice, slow episode once in a while is fine too. Especially the part where Tenshi gets to act mega cute. :love:
All the scenes that were played out to convey these strong emotion were done nonchalantly. Much more effective. Poor Otonashi!
This. Unlike some of the previous stories, this one doesn't try to shove the drama down the throat all the way back out the arse and instead actually tries to be more moderate about it - which, to continue the analogy, is much easier to swallow and savor. The bittersweet ending was very nicely done as well.
Also, the whole situation seriously reminds me of Ever17, lol.
Hypernova
2010-05-28, 20:44
I think that its something that everyone carries -- like an ID.
Great episode overall, loved Otonashi's past and how he sacrificed himself for others; not to mention that he didn't worry anyone about his injury
10/10
Saw it posted somewhere else that it's a med insurance card:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7033/1275080218630.jpg
Still, its hard to get moved by the scene when you realise that these guys didn't sign when they first got their cards and had to be inspired to do so. They make it as if there is some sort of stigma with agreeing to organ donation and it take will to do so.
Marcus H.
2010-05-28, 21:07
I don't know if it's the paint making me teary-eyed (there's someone doing a paint job outside and he decides not to improve the ventilation :uhoh:) but I admit to have been teary-eyed on that scene that he goes to sign his health insurance card. That's one heroic move, Otonashi. o7
Still, its hard to get moved by the scene when you realise that these guys didn't sign when they first got their cards and had to be inspired to do so. They make it as if there is some sort of stigma with agreeing to organ donation and it take will to do so.
Wow, I never thought of it that way; I had pretty much the opposite reaction. I'd think that the average person wouldn't sign something with such important implications as this because it'd take a fairly altruistic person to do so. For a person to be able to commit to an action such as donating their organs would imply that he or she has the resolve needed to face the fact that death is inevitable and that the best possible outcome should be made out of it. It's simply not something that we Animesukians, the few lucky people of this planet, think about in our daily and relatively peaceful lives.
Mind you, this is all coming from my personal experiences. I'm certainly not saying the way I think is correct (nor am I trying to refute your opinion or anything like that), but this is the perspective from which I viewed that particular scene you're referring to. I found it quite moving that the people in the accident still had the will to make the most out of their life despite all that has happened to them in the last seven days.
As a result of episodes such as this, Beats has quickly moved up to be one of the few anime I'm most looking forward to each week (quite a difference from my impressions of the first episode!).
momobunny
2010-05-28, 21:25
I enjoyed the episode but I wonder... where was the guy who stole the water planning to go?
Wow either Japan's emergency response teams move slow or this was the worst tunnel collapses in history. Anyway I think I like Otonashi the most out of all the Key main characters.
Edit:@momobunny
I was thinking the same thing.
^ People can do irrational things when faced with difficult situations. He must've simply panicked and lost his common sense.
This was a really good episode as far as Angel Beats! is concerned. I'm sorry I ever doubted your status as main character Yuzuru =(. I'm looking forward to how he plans to bring peace to everyone in 4 more episodes. Cockroach seems to be the focus next week. If anything, Maeda most likely would make even me feel some sympathy towards her next week. Oh, and I laughed at next weeks title coupled with the fact it's focusing on her. Trying to reference the IRL singer YUI huh? XD
Wow either Japan's emergency response teams move slow or this was the worst tunnel collapses in history. Anyway I think like Otonashi the most out of all the Key main characters.
Edit:@momobunny
I was thinking the same thing.
well he was my main char in the first plays...
something bothering me....why is that he lost his memory....he just died lying.....
Hypernova
2010-05-28, 21:40
Wow, I never thought of it that way; I had pretty much the opposite reaction. I'd think that the average person wouldn't sign something with such important implications as this because it'd take a fairly altruistic person to do so.
Really? To me organ donating is on the same level as not littering, ie something you should be doing anyway (hence my first though is: "wait, I'm supposed to be moved at this?"). I haven't meet anyone who didn't sign something so simple like agreeing to donate in their driver applications (IIRC from my NZ and Aus ones). It's a just a tiny tick box.
Looking at the scene a second time my thought was more along the lines of "whaa? you didn't sign when it came in the mail?"
I'm surprised opinions seem to vary about this episode. For me, I'm just stunned. I remember Maeda saying in an interview that he might have a hard time trying to come up with something touching in this series, and guess what, he did it. Yes, the part I got teary was none other than Otonashi singing the donation... by the way, talking about that, I need to correct some of the views here that why those people didn't sign in it the first place. We are talking about Japan here, part of the Asia, where most people believe in keeping their bodies as a whole after death. Being a donator means having your body all cut up and that's against the belief.
Other than the part above, the scene between Kanade and Otonashi was also beautiful. Now we know the true meaning behind her nick "Tenshi", even though the nick wasn't referred as for the same purpose. Also, waking up with her hand patting your face (and again afterwards), anyone?
Marcus H.
2010-05-28, 21:44
And a caress of his face. *_*
Hypernova
2010-05-28, 21:45
I'm surprised opinions seem to vary about this episode. For me, I'm just stunned. I remember Maeda saying in an interview that he might have a hard time trying to come up with something touching in this series, and guess what, he did it. Yes, the part I got teary was none other than Otonashi singing the donation... by the way, talking about that, I need to correct some of the views here that why those people didn't sign in it the first place. We are talking about Japan here, part of the Asia, where most people believe in keeping their bodies as a whole after death. Being a donator means having your body all cut up and that's against the belief.
I was in Taiwan until 9, and I don't think my parents ever thought about this either. To us it was just another empty field you have to fill in for what ever form you are filling.
aeriolewinters
2010-05-28, 21:48
All other SSS members are easy to 'erase'; the only two people standing in Kanade and Yuzuru's way are the core members. Other than that, I don't think they can wrap this up with so little screentime. So the best bet would be to take out the dragon's head.
I was in Taiwan until 9, and I don't think my parents ever thought about this either. To us it was just another empty field you have to fill in for what ever form you are filling.
That's why I said "most", but the thing is, even if your parents don't care, it's considered to be unfilial if you have your parents ending up in the situation (same for your offsprings having you ending up in the situation of being donated), so either way, with both common practice and social pressure, the cycle continues and hence it becomes a rare thing to become an "after-death" donator. Now, if you donate your organs while you're alive, that's a different story.
rstrafford
2010-05-28, 22:05
I found myself a little conflicted about Otonashi's decision since it reminds me what Ayato wanted. Even if it's for different reasons, he is taking their decision away from them.
Still, its hard to get moved by the scene when you realise that these guys didn't sign when they first got their cards and had to be inspired to do so. They make it as if there is some sort of stigma with agreeing to organ donation and it take will to do so.
Most people usually don't think about it. It use to be an option on the back of my state's driver's license, but so free people volunteered for organ donation that the state took it off when the license was redesigned.
People generally don't think about their own mortality and what happens after they die. The scene of Otonashi filling out his donor form is meant to show that he was excepting his death but wanted his life to still mean something.
Hypernova
2010-05-28, 22:11
That's why I said "most", but the thing is, even if your parents don't care, it's considered to be unfilial if you have your parents ending up in the situation (same for your offsprings having you ending up in the situation of being donated), so either way, with both common practice and social pressure, the cycle continues and hence it becomes a rare thing to become an "after-death" donator. Now, if you donate your organs while you're alive, that's a different story.
If my parent's don't care, I don't care. If I don't care, my off springs shouldn't either. You're dead, instead of have it go to waste as compost might as well make use of it. Donating while you are still alive is a very different thing that actually do take altruism since you still need the thing. The only after-death donation I might hesitate are full body ones for med school. The sight of some female med student admiring my 10" wang is a little embarrassing :p
...
10 inch = scary.
Anyway.
Fulfilling episode. Really enlightened the situation...
however...
THE KANADE x YUZURU IS OOZING LIKE OH MY GOD CAN IT GET ANY SAPPIER
(actually it could, if they actually ki----)
NeruNeru
2010-05-28, 22:22
Fantastic episode! Haven't cried that much for a long time. When I first got my health insurance card here in Japan, I didn't know how to fill it out, but after seeing this episode, I got it out and did it like in the show. Thanks, Otonashi!
This episode straightened out a lot of things, but now I'm curious as to why Otonashi ended up there in the first place. He wanted to save people, and he did that by becoming an organ donor. So wouldn't he be without regrets at that point? Now it's different because he wants to save Yurippe and the rest, but back then, it seems like he would have been able to skip that purgatory.
If my parent's don't care, I don't care. If I don't care, my off springs shouldn't either. You're dead, instead of have it go to waste as compost might as well make use of it. Donating while you are still alive is a very different thing that actually do take altruism since you still need the thing. The only after-death donation I might hesitate are full body ones for med school. The sight of some female med student admiring my 10" wang is a little embarrassing :p
Heh. :eyespin:
While time is moving forward, things change. Comparatively speaking people care less these days, but cultural thing is in your blood. My point is, people seem to discredit the scene because of reason like "oh, you should have signed that to begin with like you should brush your teeth in the morning". Even in western countries it's not quite the case (I work a job of which I get to see plenty of IDs everyday, and I can tell you I see more non-donors than the other way round), so let alone the more conservative countries like Japan.
BloodyKitty
2010-05-28, 22:35
This episode was the best of Angel Beats! so far. Well done, Maeda Jun. Another one of your stories made me cry again.
Judging from the face Yuri made in the end of the episode, I doubt if she's already known Kanade's intention...
Marcus H.
2010-05-28, 22:39
Actually, this episode still doesn't answer the question regarding why he lost his memories in the first place.
But this episode SHOULD dispel any thoughts of Yuri doing this for the fun of it.
She's clearly blaming herself for whatever happened to Kanade.
Kudos, Maeda Jun-san, for that. And everything else. (owo)b
SirusRiddler
2010-05-28, 22:39
I don't think I'm the only one who felt some LOST vibes in that episode. :3
I found the emergency rescuers taking so long to be pretty strange. This is Japan, earthquake country...rescuers would be on a tunnel collapse in a second flat. Responses in "Tokyo Magnitude 8.0" were immediate and continuous. It shouldn't have taken them a whole week to get through to the victims. It must have been one hell of an accident.
For the sake of an emotional story though, I'll take it.
This episode straightened out a lot of things, but now I'm curious as to why Otonashi ended up there in the first place. He wanted to save people, and he did that by becoming an organ donor. So wouldn't he be without regrets at that point? Now it's different because he wants to save Yurippe and the rest, but back then, it seems like he would have been able to skip that purgatory.
I'd say, due to nutrient deprivation, he wasn't able to keep his mind together that well. Especially since such a death led to amnesia, which Yuri stated only happened (to her knowledge) to those who had bad head injuries at death.
I don't think I'm the only one who felt some LOST vibes in that episode. :3
I actually started fearing a Lord of the Flies effect, especially when the guy stole the water.
I found the emergency rescuers taking so long to be pretty strange. This is Japan, earthquake country...rescuers would be on a tunnel collapse in a second flat. Responses in "Tokyo Magnitude 8.0" were immediate and continuous. It shouldn't have taken them a whole week to get through to the victims. It must have been one hell of an accident.
For the sake of an emotional story though, I'll take it.
Well, since it was collapsed on both ends of the tunnel, I'd assume there were a lot of areas that collapsed. They just got unlucky in being one of the ones that took longer the get to.
Besides, we never got told WHY the train crashed. For all we know, the delay could have been because the crash resulted from an earthquake, which happens in Japan every now and then. That would explain why the rescue team took so long: they had more things to deal with than a collapsed tunnel.
Archangel Roy
2010-05-28, 22:56
This was just...Beautiful! This episode was truly AMAZING!
I am so GLAD that Kanade ended up good.
Yuzuru x Kanade? DEFINITELY!
I cried with tears of joy when Kanade woke up!
Doesn't this basically mean Otonashi is going to be betraying Yuri? Will Yuri figure out why things happened the way they do?
SirusRiddler
2010-05-28, 23:27
I'd say, due to nutrient deprivation, he wasn't able to keep his mind together that well. Especially since such a death led to amnesia, which Yuri stated only happened (to her knowledge) to those who had bad head injuries at death.
I actually started fearing a Lord of the Flies effect, especially when the guy stole the water.
Well, since it was collapsed on both ends of the tunnel, I'd assume there were a lot of areas that collapsed. They just got unlucky in being one of the ones that took longer the get to.
You got a fair point there. For some reason, I just figured it was only that train that had an accident but it could be that the whole train line ran into a big problem.
Ravenblitz
2010-05-28, 23:35
oh man 10/10 episode! loved the drama! though i would loved to see yuzuru hug kanade when she woke up, damn it didn't happened.
wow next episode/s the SSS brigade will be loosing some men... to think Yuri, Yuzuru and Kanade will be the last standing
Really a satisfying episode for me, especially after the events of episode 8. There seem to be a discussion going on about the whole rescue team thing. But I guess here's my take at it:
Some point during episode 7 you could see the train Otonashi was on, and from my recollections train routes who use that type of train model are usually ones that go from major city --> rural country side areas. So i suppose the accident occurred in a fairly non-populated location and that the train schedule is not entirely tight, thus explaining why it might of taken them a while to get there. But then again this is just my wild guess...
Apart from that I really liked the episode, especially with the whole OtonashixKanade scene. And I think for as dense as Kanade may look, she must have at least felt SOMETHING if a guy stays by her side for that whole time she's unconscious.
At the end of the episode I had a weird thought that Otonashi would just blush and say "Let's be together after this is all done and over"
SirusRiddler
2010-05-29, 00:21
Really a satisfying episode for me, especially after the events of episode 8. There seem to be a discussion going on about the whole rescue team thing. But I guess here's my take at it:
Some point during episode 7 you could see the train Otonashi was on, and from my recollections train routes who use that type of train model are usually ones that go from major city --> rural country side areas. So i suppose the accident occurred in a fairly non-populated location and that the train schedule is not entirely tight, thus explaining why it might of taken them a while to get there. But then again this is just my wild guess...
Apart from that I really liked the episode, especially with the whole OtonashixKanade scene. And I think for as dense as Kanade may look, she must have at least felt SOMETHING if a guy stays by her side for that whole time she's unconscious.
At the end of the episode I had a weird thought that Otonashi would just blush and say "Let's be together after this is all done and over"
The thing is, most universities in Japan are in big cities. Often the case is that a kid from the countryside takes the train into Tokyo for some prestigious school.
A lot of trains run by the JR company still use a lot of older model trains. It's the private subway companies that have newer looking ones actually. With that said, considering Yuzuru and company is in a tunnel collapse, they have to be in Tokyo.
I lived in Tokyo so that's my educated guess. It's not like Angel Beats is in the most realistic setting anyways. :P So a whole week for a rescue still sounds a little suspect to me unless it's the worst train accident since the Sarin Gas Incident.
At least we know the way to erase Hinata. Make him catch a ball in a baseball game.
One last good bye kiss from Kanade before you disappear Otanoshi.
This story is so sad.... ToT
Francismeunier
2010-05-29, 00:52
Though when kanade wakes up I was sure yuzuru would hug her .....well that's a bid of minus for me but it's all great. That is exactly what I wanted and felt a little bit :frustrated: that it did not happen but I was still :) that Kanade past the hand on Yuzuru's cheek at least.
Otonashi reminds me of Shirou from Fate Stay Night
he has a severe saviour complex
he wants to save everyone.. no, he obssesses about it
but he's put in a situation where the goal is not to kill each other to survive, so his morality does not clash with the setting like Shirou
still, I wonder if this will make him truly happy in the end? because to me this path can only lead to one thing: he will become the new Tenshi of that purgatory
I agree with you about Shirou since I just Fate/Night Stay. Second I would much rather see the new love couple Tenshi x Otonashi than just Otonashi becoming the new Tenshi.....after all the love concept may be applied in this series just fine.
Still, its hard to get moved by the scene when you realise that these guys didn't sign when they first got their cards and had to be inspired to do so. They make it as if there is some sort of stigma with agreeing to organ donation and it take will to do so. Well it worked on me.....filled out mines today in France. Had to ask some information first but it all worked out. :D
Konakaga
2010-05-29, 01:06
Impressive episode, Yuzuru is truly an amazing character, rest of his past was pretty moving though didn't quite get me to cry. Also I find his "alliance" with Kaede to be interesting I really wonder how things will go with Yuri especially since she'll be blaming herself for what happened to Tenshi making it even hard to erase her regret. Though I'm really interested in getting past of Yui, Shiina, Yusa, and the girls of GirlsDeMo.
Man.. i always like how maeda jun/key design the archetype for the male lead. They are far from typical anime male lead, in a good way.
blitz1/2
2010-05-29, 01:20
From Kanade's words, I wonder if it was actually her that received Otonashi's organs. But that would be a GREAT twist.
pseudonhym
2010-05-29, 01:31
Great episode. Remember to sign your insurance cards/organ donor cards.
serenade_beta
2010-05-29, 01:35
It was a pretty beautiful episode, though there are still a good number of places that left me unsatisfied or didn't work. For now, I would like to congratulate Otonashi for somehow staying alive for 7 days with those inside wounds. I would like to shake my head over the abnormally long amount of time it took for the people to be rescued. I'd like to express my amusement over how I laughed over the part where everyone simultaneously grabbed their donation card things (Wow, they all have one...).
But despite that, it was definitely a great episode, especially when compared to past episodes. And, a rare thing, the animation/art was very pretty.
Still, there is only 4 episodes left... Just what are they going to do? Purge 3-4 characters an episode? It's bad enough listening to the characters talk about their cheap tragedies of the past once an episode, but I hope they don't do so back-to-back.
Then again, it would also be sad if they just don't get a story and is cut.
PS: Wow, Christ, why didn't you work on the computer last time...
PSS: Yuri "It's all my fault" Me: "Yep"
Knightrunner
2010-05-29, 01:42
PS: Wow, Christ, why didn't you work on the computer last time...
PSS: Yuri "It's all my fault" Me: "Yep"
Me: It's all Yuri's fault for saving the entire SSS and deciding to help Kanade.
When will people start coming up with logical reasons to not like Yurippe.
Koji Otaku
2010-05-29, 01:59
So a whole week for a rescue still sounds a little suspect to me unless it's the worst train accident since the Sarin Gas Incident.
I'm thinking that there were multiple pile ups. There were two that trapped everyone in the tunnel, so I don't think it's that hard to assume there were other barriers that might have been in the way.
Then again, I haven't gone back and watched the scene where the train wreck occurs, therefore not knowing how deep in the tunnel they were, so take my theory with a grain of salt.
Great episode, probably my favorite one. I really like how they did Otonashi's past.
Is it true that doctors don't try as hard to save you if you're an organ donor?! lol
Knightrunner
2010-05-29, 02:02
I wouldn't really worry about the tunnel thing too much since they are just trying to make a dramatic scene where Yuzuru endured seven days of internal bleeding without loosing composure. It is almost illogical for a rescue team to take seven days to dig out the survivors unless the were a bunch of lazy a** that do not want to save lives.
Is it true that doctors don't try as hard to save you if you're an organ donor?! lol
I'm not sure if that is true myself but that is what stops my parents from donating there organs. I guess depending which doctor you have will determine if they will save you or not for the organs. I wonder how much people are willing to donate blood?
Mashimaro
2010-05-29, 02:10
I would love to see a small scene of the survivors visiting his grave =(
One of the finest episode of Angel Beats, and I thought it should be worth a million praise in my book. Words couldn't express the feeling of admiration towards Otonashi after he did his best to overcome any obstacles from his own predicament and everyone from reality and even the afterlife. He is truly a remarkable person and I daresay, he's an excellent role model to anyone who has fallen to utmost oblivion and despair. He also changed my way of thinking as of now, and I want to fix this mess -- this unfair life given to me somehow. A never-ending gun salute to the person who died as a man with one of the greatest character portrayal and background tale of this year, all years.
On the other hand, I somehow predicted that Otonashi will join forces with Kanade, and it actually came true. Four episodes left, and I wonder how can their plan succeed, and I know Yuri will find it out as soon as possible. Also, Yui might disappear in this episode considering she's an idiot but lovable regardless.
serenade_beta
2010-05-29, 02:15
Me: It's all Yuri's fault for saving the entire SSS and deciding to help Kanade.
When will people start coming up with logical reasons to not like Yurippe.
Coming from a person who has her as an avatar, it just looks like you don't like her being hated on, simply.
As for "logic"... Well, I won't bother to go into this, since it would be off-topic.
I don't like her... just because I don't like her! OH MY GOD, don't shoot me with that slingsho- GYAH!
Well, that was unexpected (I don't watch previews). Forget GAR, this is just plain heroic. I don't think I would bear to see the other survivors' faces when they realize that he's gone at the last moment.
This explains his entry into Purgatory much better. He had a terrible youth, but managed to complete it by his death, even though he didn't know it. Therefore, it'd be hard for him to disappear - he doesn't know what he's looking forward to, really.
I'm unsatisfied by how Kanade simply awakens without much incident. I expect to see her internal conflicts explained later on.
I now fear the ending. I really want Otonashi and Kanade to be together as dual Angels in Purgatory forever, but I guess the typical Key bittersweet ending would have either Kanade passing on and Otonashi taking her place, or them both disappearing. Either way, they will never meet each other again. I'd be really sad to see such kindred spirits separating.
kk2extreme
2010-05-29, 02:34
I think TK is a pro break dancer and got himself killed by attempting a hyper complicated move
serenade_beta
2010-05-29, 02:35
I think TK is a pro break dancer and got himself killed by attempting a hyper complicated move
Absolutely wonderful idea!
I will forever worship this anime if he gets such a story. :heh:
Also, hearing the final definition of Purgatory from Kanade, I'm more and more convinced that Yurippe lied about her not committing suicide, and that her fortitude in this world is a front to hide that weakness in her ultimate decision. Seeing what happened to her family, I had a very hard time thinking she wouldn't kill herself.
Knightrunner
2010-05-29, 03:00
Coming from a person who has her as an avatar, it just looks like you don't like her being hated on, simply.
As for "logic"... Well, I won't bother to go into this, since it would be off-topic.
I don't like her... just because I don't like her! OH MY GOD, don't shoot me with that slingsho- GYAH!
*pointing halbard* (thought: lucky i'm in the good mood today)
I don't mind people hating her because it gives more reason to tell about her epicness and the reasons what makes her a decent character. If you don't like her just simply because you don't like her then thats reason enough. I'm glad you not trying to manipulate scenes that would try to make her seem guilty of something.
Yuzuru death was also epic too. Withstanding the internal bleeding for seven days without complaining and helping others out. I'm kind of wondering what Yuzuru was thinking in the end when he was thinking what will happen to the two of us. I hope he does not try to get Kanade to dissapear after he worked with her to try to make the others to disappear. I hope Yurippe will figure this out soon for the story can get more interesting, but right now it seems like she is depress do anything in the end.
Konakaga
2010-05-29, 03:03
Also, hearing the final definition of Purgatory from Kanade, I'm more and more convinced that Yurippe lied about her not committing suicide, and that her fortitude in this world is a front to hide that weakness in her ultimate decision. Seeing what happened to her family, I had a very hard time thinking she wouldn't kill herself.
The main problem though is the age gap, she looks at least 6~8 years olders than she did when her siblings were killed, so I mean what would have caused her to live until then commit suicide only to then gain such resolve, I think her death must have some cruel twist of fate rather than a suicide, to give her such resolve to fight now. Though only way I see it possible if something even worse had happened to her that drove her to do it while she was alive.
*pointing halbard* (thought: lucky i'm in the good mood today)
I don't mind people hating her because it gives more reason to tell about her epicness and the reasons what makes her a decent character. If you don't like her just simply because you don't like her then thats reason enough. I'm glad you not trying to manipulate scenes that would try to make her seem guilty of something.
I'd like to state that my statement above you does NOT mean I hate Yurippe. She so far appears to be a simple intelligent leader-type character only because we don't know how she dies until Yuzuru gets it out of her. Now put that halberd away. :heh:
The main problem though is the age gap, she looks at least 6~8 years olders than she did when her siblings were killed, so I mean what would have caused her to live until then commit suicide only to then gain such resolve, I think her death must have some cruel twist of fate rather than a suicide, to give her such resolve to fight now. Though only way I see it possible if something even worse had happened to her that drove her to do it while she was alive.
It could mean that she discovered an even uglier truth behind the murders, so she decided to personally kick the bucket, believing that there's no one at which she could direct her vengeance. Now that she's in Purgatory, there's "god" to find and whose face to punch into. I'm willing to believe that she's strong because she has a lot of anger in her.
I put up this theory simply because I find it odd that she would know that suicides won't end up in Purgatory, just like that. Even with the large sample size among the SSS organization, she wouldn't have called it a fact or a rule out loud just because she hasn't met anyone who committed suicide around her.
Knightrunner
2010-05-29, 03:12
I'd like to state that my statement above you does NOT mean I hate Yurippe. She so far appears to be a simple intelligent leader-type character only because we don't know how she dies until Yuzuru gets it out of her. Now put that halberd away. :heh:
*tosses halberd in the closet* I can't wait for Yuzuru to figure out what killed her, but I'm kind of curious if she told anybody else in how she died. Well lets see how the Yuzuru and Kanade alliance will play out. I'm kind of wondering if they will show some of the less important character disappear without showing there past.
Konakaga
2010-05-29, 03:20
I'm kind of wondering if they will show some of the less important character disappear without showing there past.
I swear if Irie, Sekine, Hisako, or Yusa disappear without getting more lines of dialog I am gonna be annoyed :heh:, I mean Irie and Sekine haven't even actually had a line yet at all, so I don't think asking for them to get something line wise before they disappear is too much, if they want do that to Fujimaki, Noda, Ooyama, or Matsushita I probably wouldn't mind as much :p.
MeoTwister5
2010-05-29, 03:25
Last week I was thinking that if there was ever a time that Maeda Jun should start doing what he does best, the ending to episode 8 says it should be this one. Episode 9 tells me he still knows what he's doing.:eyespin:
At the end of Otonashi's previous flashback I had an inkling he was going into premed and with this is confirms we do have something in common. I guess it's every medical student's and even a doctor's worst nightmare to be in a similar situation, much more when you yourself are injured and you can't very well treat yourself. It was a gutsy and selfless move he did moments before he faced his mortality, much more for a part of the world where organ donation isn't very big and having a complete body for burial is very much a cultural. Personally as a future doctor I would gladly say that dying in a similar situation, in the middle of the call of duty in the most dire of situations, is an honorable death.:)
The irony, of course, is that he had to pass into the next realm mere seconds before rescue.:(
It's a very sad situation for Kanade who was likely the first person to understand the way the world works. Going by her words, this purgatory isn't as much a malevolent world as Yuri tends to suggest. Even more so when she takes it upon herself to try and give them a reason to live and a reason to change, even if it meant being isolated and having to fight them. I might go so far as to say that the reason she's friendless is because she helped them moved on; the situation she's in suggests she only goes against the SSS as a reaction to Yuri's rebellious nature, as per her method of helping them. Yes, she could very well use a hug.
At least now she has help and, much more importantly, a friend in Otonashi. Now that she also understands how the world works he can help them pass on in a less vindictive and less violent manner (hopefully).
This of course leads to the question for Otonashi and Kanade's futures since they are likely to be the ones left behind: will they remain and help future souls or themselves also find a way to move on? It's almost a classic setup for a Key story and makes for a possibly gripping finale. Given the way they managed to handle this episode, looks like they still have a few tricks up their sleeve to wrap it all up nicely.
Good job Mr. Maeda. May faith in this is nary lost.:heh:
One question remains is, Otonashi's cause of death doesn't appear to be sufficient to induce that degree of memory loss upon arrival in the afterlife.
Konakaga
2010-05-29, 04:14
One question remains is, Otonashi's cause of death doesn't appear to be sufficient to induce that degree of memory loss upon arrival in the afterlife.
Already brought up check here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3068654#post3068654)
So, do we now know all the important things there are to know about the Tenshiverse, or will we keep on being hit with new revelations? I don't know why Otonashi didn't take Kanade's hand when she put it to his face, though. Maybe there was just no need because it's clear they now both know how the other feels. It's been a long time since I've seen that kind of tenderness so well portrayed.
Anyway, as for the crash and the rescue, it's clear it was an earthquake caused it. In episode 7, you could see the initial tremor affecting the train before the main shock hit. Tunnels (well, most structures) in Japan are built to withstand earthquakes, so this must have been a very severe one. Which means that rescue services would be hard pressed to deal with it, and would have to prioritize. Do we rescue the people that we know are still alive in the collapsed buildings around us, or do we throw everything into digging out a train that was probably completely crushed anyway? It's not a difficult decision to make.
So, do we now know all the important things there are to know about the Tenshiverse, or will we keep on being hit with new revelations? I don't know why Otonashi didn't take Kanade's hand when she put it to his face, though. Maybe there was just no need because it's clear they now both know how the other feels. It's been a long time since I've seen that kind of tenderness so well portrayed.
Is it just me who thinks that there isn't any romance involved between them? If Otonashi held her hand back, that scene wouldn't have been so beautiful. Just quietly feel the gentleness of Tenshi (and the pure, beautiful voice of Hanazawa Kana :p) would be the best thing to do in that situation.
satomianzaki
2010-05-29, 05:08
so the mission of otonashi and kanade now is to let all the SSS members graduate from that place...
yuzuru is really a nice guy...helping people from the train wreck...
and he should have already disappeared (since he no longer has regrets) but since he wanted to help yuri, that stopped him from crossing over...
i really can't imagine how otonashi and kanade will deal with yuri...i think they will have a very difficult time persuading her to not hate God anymore...and what will happen if yuri and the others discover otonashi's plan? otonashi better be prepared...
the story is really getting more interesting...can't wait for the next episodes...
Francismeunier
2010-05-29, 05:24
The main problem though is the age gap, she looks at least 6~8 years olders than she did when her siblings were killed, so I mean what would have caused her to live until then commit suicide only to then gain such resolve, I think her death must have some cruel twist of fate rather than a suicide, to give her such resolve to fight now. Though only way I see it possible if something even worse had happened to her that drove her to do it while she was alive. I am thinking she found out who the people were who did her family and tried to kill them somehow. Anyone else might think so?
I am thinking she found out who the people were who did her family and tried to kill them somehow. Anyone else might think so?
Since Yuri appear to be skilled in close combat and weapon, It's possible that when she grew up she trained herself to get her revenge. One day she found the group who killed her family. She tried to kill them ,but get killed instead.
Von Himmel
2010-05-29, 06:15
Since Yuri appear to be skilled in close combat and weapon, It's possible that when she grew up she trained herself to get her revenge. One day she found the group who killed her family. She tried to kill them ,but get killed instead.
....This is actually pretty logical speculation for me... o.o
We don't know about her deaths yet, so perhaps this one might be the case ..
Otonashi's death is a bit saddening. I wonder if the people who got caught up in the train accident will still be a donor after they're saved... but then, Otonashi's death might perhaps be memorable for them, which makes them still ends up being a donor >_>
Since Yuri appear to be skilled in close combat and weapon, It's possible that when she grew up she trained herself to get her revenge. One day she found the group who killed her family. She tried to kill them ,but get killed instead.
or she might have attained those skills during her time in the afterlife. if you read the novels (which is about hinata's first time in the afterlife and the establishment of the SSS).
yuri was still pretty unskilled there. she chose to gave up when kanade attacked her, giving up her gun to stop kanade. and then cheated on a duel with chaa to win it, making a deal with kanade to help yuri in the duel.
oh and, this deserves a season 2, we cant end this in 4 more episodes. justice demands a season 2.
Dark Wing
2010-05-29, 06:22
oh and, this deserves a season 2, we cant end this in 4 more episodes. justice demands a season 2.
I agree this show is way too short but that is up to Key if they wanna do it...
satomianzaki
2010-05-29, 07:42
Is it just me who thinks that there isn't any romance involved between them?
i think so too...i still cannot see any romantic development between yuzuru and kanade...it's more like they're just friends...or like brother and sister...otonashi is really caring and protective of kanade in a brotherly way...imo...
and i think there will be more potential for yuri and otonashi to get closer now...i mean, since otonashi is really determined in saving her, he has to know her better and get closer since he has to earn yuri's trust...to make her believe that its alright to give up on her bitter memories...and to move on...
well now that i think of it, that applies to other SSS' members as well...hehehe...
with few episodes left, i can't wait what future/new lives are waiting for SSS members especially for otonashi and yuri...and of course for kanade as well...after the cross over...
i hope if Key will not make a season 2, at least they'll give us a decent ending...
Mister Random
2010-05-29, 07:42
I am wondering if Otonashi rather than having a flashback actually went back into the real world for a time, as the scene when he awakens after the train crash was very similar to how he wakes up at the school in episode 1. Added to this the style of the flashback is also completely different to how we saw Otonashi remember events up to the train crash.
If it is a flashback rather than a temporary visit to the real world then I have to wonder why did Otonashi end up at the school if the defining criteria is "couldn't live out their youth properly" since while he had a sad youth it does not seem on the level of the others we know about. Especially given that he had managed to turn things around and apparantly died with few regrets. However, I do think there is still a slim chance he is in a deep coma rather than being dead (before this ep would give him a 50% chance of being in a coma after this more like 5%).
Am looking forward to the final episodes though I am anticipating a massive twist in how things turn out.
Crontica
2010-05-29, 07:54
This sets up Otonashi as Kanade's replacement if ever she disappears, though I don't think She will given that Yuri won't. So it'd be a grudge match, though this might be something else.Also good choice of first target, you practically kill off GDM with one shot.
Otonashi: Guard Skill: Accelerate.
oooOOH im getting awesome chills just thinking about it.
Marcus H.
2010-05-29, 07:56
Actually, Otonashi's Guard Skill should be Haremize. :heh:
Deathkillz
2010-05-29, 08:24
I am wondering if Otonashi rather than having a flashback actually went back into the real world for a time, as the scene when he awakens after the train crash was very similar to how he wakes up at the school in episode 1. Added to this the style of the flashback is also completely different to how we saw Otonashi remember events up to the train crash.
If it is a flashback rather than a temporary visit to the real world then I have to wonder why did Otonashi end up at the school if the defining criteria is "couldn't live out their youth properly" since while he had a sad youth it does not seem on the level of the others we know about. Especially given that he had managed to turn things around and apparantly died with few regrets. However, I do think there is still a slim chance he is in a deep coma rather than being dead (before this ep would give him a 50% chance of being in a coma after this more like 5%).
Am looking forward to the final episodes though I am anticipating a massive twist in how things turn out.
I've been thinking the same and I do think that it would give Otonashi a happy ending if he is to wake up after sending all his friends off. But then I wonder what happens to Kanade.
Anyway a really emotional episode this week. Can't possibly get any more tragic to what Otonashi has been through even though he wanted to make a change with his life. I find that more respectable than someone giving up hope and then dying tragically (suicide or whatnot).
great episode. Otonashi finally understand the situation, and we gonna hear the past of the other SSS members. next time is Yui?
but WTF, Yuri was actually worried about Kanade?!
OtoKanade=<3
Is it just me who thinks that there isn't any romance involved between them? If Otonashi held her hand back, that scene wouldn't have been so beautiful. Just quietly feel the gentleness of Tenshi (and the pure, beautiful voice of Hanazawa Kana) would be the best thing to do in that situation.
I see it this way as well. As cute as YuzuruxKanade is, I unfortunately don't see anything happening with it since this isn't a romance anime. The way Yuzuru acts towards Kanade reminds me much more of the relationship with his sister Hatsune.
I really do hope they remain together at the end though, even if it's in the real world with no memories of the afterlife.
Actually, Otonashi's Guard Skill should be Haremize. :heh:
Lol. Why should they remain guard skills? For guys, it should be:
Killing move part I: Target lock on.
Otanashi marks the co-ordinates of all his enemies.
Killing move part II: Omnislash
A refinement of an instantaneuous mutiple harmonics, followed by delay and handsonic and finally absorb at the end.
Otonashi's flashback...12 minutes again. It may seem a lot, but the time flies while watching the actual episode. He is/was an awesome guy, I cracked up a bit when the other guy was talking to him and he was already...dead. Right when the rescue team arrived ;_;
And after remembering the sad past, nothing better than being comforted by a cute angel. That entire scene was too good, I swear Kanade was more beautiful than the usual after waking up.
Francismeunier
2010-05-29, 10:29
And after remembering the sad past, nothing better than being comforted by a cute angel. That entire scene was too good, I swear Kanade was more beautiful than the usual after waking up.Yes she was but also I got bothered a little with her eyes.....it looked she just came out of a heavy operation and the struggle was there but it was more like she did not sleep a lot. I know it was more the first one than anything.
skyy54264
2010-05-29, 10:31
Not sure what that guy who stole water was thinking. You're in a tunnel. Both ends collapsed and seal off. Where are you going to run to... ?
Jin Kizuite
2010-05-29, 10:33
IT HAS BEGUN. Two people disappearing per episode? Please just do a second season. *Prays*
It's bad enough listening to the characters talk about their cheap tragedies of the past once an episode
I'm curious, what qualifies in your eyes as a non cheap tragedy?
Holy crap. This episode was just absolutely outstanding. The best yet.
I'm curious, what qualifies in your eyes as a non cheap tragedy?
If I had to guess, one that happens as the show goes on rather than a flashback. Though really, none of these have been cheap tragedies except MAYBE Hinata's, but even that one's pretty rough.
If I had to guess, one that happens as the show goes on rather than a flashback.
That goes against the very premise of the show though :S
Not sure what that guy who stole water was thinking. You're in a tunnel. Both ends collapsed and seal off. Where are you going to run to... ?
Same thing goes for the people that started chasing him.. :)
That goes against the very premise of the show though :S
Of course, but people are always going to find something to complain about. This is the internet, after all. We still have random people comparing Yuri to Haruhi.
seiji_kun
2010-05-29, 11:46
Like always, Key knows how to move me. They expanded on Otonashi's backstory in such a marvelous way. Such admirable behavior which made his dieing so touching. The man truly always got the short end of the stick. Made me feel so sad for him.
Bye far the best episode so far for me. Though like someone else said, the only thing that this episode was missing was him hugging Kanade when she woke up. Though them using each others first names which shows how connected they feel to each other is a good consolation price I guess.
Same thing goes for the people that started chasing him.. :)
They probably just wanted to slap him a bit.
Same thing goes for the people that started chasing him.. :)
They had a valid worry there though: he coulld have started gulping down all the water
Ice Block
2010-05-29, 12:14
The episodes keep getting better and better. So, Otonashi's regret was not being able to save anyone despite him trying so hard. He was a hero til the end, inspiring everyone to make the most out of their bodies if death inevitably comes, yet in his mind/memory, he still failed his goal (he was already dead by the time rescue arrived, so he couldn't have known that the others survived).
Something bugs me though. There is a clear change of character for Kanade upon waking up. For example, she's pretty lenient on revealing information now, and she even emphasizes that she triumphed over the other personalities. Is this a result of her gaining Otonashi's trust? Or is this a result of the chaos caused by her internal personality battle?
Either way, with Kanade pretty much admitting that she's consciously trying to make the dead pass on, my theory just got a little boost:
Kanade was part, or even leader, of an SSS-like group (Gen. 0 insurgents) which had gone much much further than the current SSS in terms of technology and making the afterlife chaotic. They may had started an all-out war against the NPCs at one point, realized that there is no God and that rebelling is ultimately useless, and then proceeded to face their regrets in life and move on / disappear. Kanade chose to stay behind to ensure that history would not repeat itself, and that newcomers will live a peaceful afterlife before reincarnation/ascension.
The only problem now is that Otonashi's plan is bound to fail. Not only because he will not be able to make Yuri pass on due to the nature of her regret (every core SSS member that disappears will only serve to amplify her apparent regret), but because if the SSS finds out that he betrayed them, it is almost guaranteed that they will not take it lightly -- and this is especially true for the likes of Noda and Fujimaki (whose voices, I think, can be heard in the preview).
Also, there are lots of ways the plot can go, so it's pretty much impossible to accurately predict what's gonna happen next. Yuri's thinking face at the end looks more ominous than usual, Christ got access to Angel Player (and apparently blocked Kanade's access to her Guard Skills), the SSS is suspicious on how the test swap operation got busted (not to mention they suspect that the DarkTenshi personality had won), Chaa hasn't appeared again ever since Ep02, and Sekine and Irie still haven't had any real lines so far. With only 4 episodes left, I am expecting several huge plot twists coming up.
sylviana
2010-05-29, 12:23
my opinion....it's the first time i cried when i watched Angel Beats!
i cried....when Igarashi told Otonashi...that he had move everyone's heart....to donor their organ....even they were facing their death....
so tear jerking....when Otonashi had gone....when rescue team almost saved them :upset:
so far...:upset:
Otonashi will be eternal heroes !!!:cool:
i''ll give perfect rate for this episode....:D
wait...next episode is Yui? i hope she has interesting past ( tragic or not )....
kitten320
2010-05-29, 13:01
After long time thinking I have finally decided to watch the series, well... I'm not dissapointed one bit. I expacted something far worse and am positively suprised, so will be waiting for the rest.
About this episode, Otonashi sure had it rough there... to die right before he got saved, so not fair! But at least he had fullifield his dream.
The guy who stole the bottles was an idiot, but then again when you are in hopeless situation a lot of people stop thinking and do ridiculouse things. I guess that guy got way too thirsty and was hoping to drink it all.
Those who are complaining about flashbacks are idiots, because that's basicly the main idea of the show. To help them move on and you can't do that without knowing what happened. I actually would be lost if someone had just dissapeared for not understandable reason. I'm looking forward to each flashback. And yes, some of they might seem lame but hey! Put yourself in their shoes! You might not understand those dreams because of different life, goals and thinking way. After all there are those who love do sports and those who hate sports but love art, everyone are different and think differently. So don't call those dreams cheap!
About pairings, I kinda like Otoshi/Kanade idea more simply because it is more original than having too positive main characters hook up together like usually. Besides poor Tenshi needs more love, she was a lonely soul for god knows how long.
But I'm sure that some sweet Yuri/Otoshoi moments are coming as well so this pairing fans also will be satisfied at some point, so don't lose hope.
Though I'm really curiouse as to what will happen to Satoshi when everything is over, will he be gone and Kanade will stay? If so she kinda will be the most tragic character there even though Yuri's and Otoshi's pasts also were tragic and scary.
Wonder how anime team will handle it, there are too many members in order to make them all pass on in such short time... I guess there will be some twist... having more than one character pass on in one episode will feel rushed.
My predicition:
Kanade disappears and Otonashi becomes the new Angel.
Anyway, as for the crash and the rescue, it's clear it was an earthquake caused it. In episode 7, you could see the initial tremor affecting the train before the main shock hit. Tunnels (well, most structures) in Japan are built to withstand earthquakes, so this must have been a very severe one. Which means that rescue services would be hard pressed to deal with it, and would have to prioritize. Do we rescue the people that we know are still alive in the collapsed buildings around us, or do we throw everything into digging out a train that was probably completely crushed anyway? It's not a difficult decision to make.
It's possible as that would make the most sense however we don't see any after-tremors if it was that serious. It could be a regular cave-in but the response team would just be ridiculously lazy then. Also the tunnel can't be that far underground but again I guess this is all minor details.
What I'm amazed about is that it took seven days for him to bleed out from an internal wound.
I'm also somewhat curious if you can remove an angel's power by changing a password on their computer then could God be Skynet?
justinstrife
2010-05-29, 13:18
Really? To me organ donating is on the same level as not littering, ie something you should be doing anyway (hence my first though is: "wait, I'm supposed to be moved at this?"). I haven't meet anyone who didn't sign something so simple like agreeing to donate in their driver applications (IIRC from my NZ and Aus ones). It's a just a tiny tick box.
Looking at the scene a second time my thought was more along the lines of "whaa? you didn't sign when it came in the mail?"
I'm 30 and I don't have something like that signed. You just have a different outlook on such things as some others do. We're all different afterall.
It was an emotional scene for me, and I just knew that he would die as the rescuers would break through the tunnel. That's just how his luck has always been. At least he managed to save those lives. I'm sure they will be forever greatful for what he did for them.
I don't think he will disappear before Kanade. Just a feeling, but I don't believe he'd want to leave her alone in this world. He would want to save everyone. It's just in his nature.
My predicition:
Kanade disappears and Otonashi becomes the new Angel.
Exactly what I was thinking at the end of this episode. I think it would actually make a pretty good ending.
kitten320
2010-05-29, 14:23
Really? To me organ donating is on the same level as not littering, ie something you should be doing anyway (hence my first though is: "wait, I'm supposed to be moved at this?"). I haven't meet anyone who didn't sign something so simple like agreeing to donate in their driver applications (IIRC from my NZ and Aus ones). It's a just a tiny tick box.
Looking at the scene a second time my thought was more along the lines of "whaa? you didn't sign when it came in the mail?"
That's the difference between you and those people who got trapped. I myself haven't signed anything like that and never really bothered to look for such card. And you might call me a bastard but so far I have no wish to sign it, duno why but it kinda scares me... I want to keep my body the way it is, so yeh you can call me selfish.
So for me that moment was kinda powerful, who knows maybe I also will change my mind some day and will sign it.
The only complain I had is from where exactly they all got it? Was there some auction going on and cards were handed out to everyone at train station? It's like if the knew that tragedy would happen.
My predicition:
Kanade disappears and Otonashi becomes the new Angel.
Very possible, like if continuing to fullyfil his dream on saving others.
It was a good episode Otonashi even thou he was a dead man walking was able to save alot of people...I do belive he would have been a great doctor or NGO worker
The only complain I had is from where exactly they all got it? Was there some auction going on and cards were handed out to everyone at train station? It's like if the knew that tragedy would happen.
It's an insurance card. Since Japan has universal health care, you'd pretty much have to choose not to have it in order to not have it.
My only disappointment with the whole episode was the brightness of the sealed off train wreckage area. I feel that it should have been darker, much darker, the only light coming from the flashlights each one held in their hand. Add pitch darkness broken only by a single (or more, but I doubt it because they would want to save battery life) burning ray of light and the kind of psychological damage that could do on the mind with everything else they were going through would, in my opinion, added a more profound effect on the survivors.
My only disappointment with the whole episode was the brightness of the sealed off train wreckage area. I feel that it should have been darker, much darker, the only light coming from the flashlights each one held in their hand. Add pitch darkness broken only by a single (or more, but I doubt it because they would want to save battery life) burning ray of light and the kind of psychological damage that could do on the mind with everything else they were going through would, in my opinion, added a more profound effect on the survivors.
And would've made for terrible viewing for the audience.
kitten320
2010-05-29, 15:10
My only disappointment with the whole episode was the brightness of the sealed off train wreckage area. I feel that it should have been darker, much darker, the only light coming from the flashlights each one held in their hand. Add pitch darkness broken only by a single (or more, but I doubt it because they would want to save battery life) burning ray of light and the kind of psychological damage that could do on the mind with everything else they were going through would, in my opinion, added a more profound effect on the survivors.
So basicly you want to watch black screen for about 10 minutes?
I'm sure it was made look light just for us viewers when in reality it wasn't.
It's an insurance card. Since Japan has universal health care, you'd pretty much have to choose not to have it in order to not have it.
A very confusing answer but I guess I got the idea.
Jin Kizuite
2010-05-29, 15:38
P.S In the episode did they say TK's english wasn't good? Because it's damn well better than most Engrish I hear 90% of the time from animes. Even if it is random!
kitten320
2010-05-29, 15:42
Maybe he is bad at reading or explaining?
Besides isn't he American?
P.S In the episode did they say TK's english wasn't good? Because it's damn well better than most Engrish I hear 90% of the time from animes. Even if it is random!
His VA speaks English, but the TK character apparently cannot convey any language. We know he understands Japanese, since he responds to what others say, and we know he knows English, since what he says makes sense. However, he likely has too many screws loose to be of any assistance in this case.
In fact, his VA is one of the only two VAs I know of who can actually speak english to the point that it sounds like a natural speaker. The other being Horikawa Ryo.
THat's because his VA is a natural english speaker. He's an american if I recall. THey loaned him from one of the english dubbing studio's or something.
They probably just wanted to slap him a bit.
They had a valid worry there though: he coulld have started gulping down all the water
That scene alone shows how good this episode was considering there is no one-answer. Every one of these people that had a dialogue in that portion gives away a little bit about self to compare their personality with people we might know in our every day life.
Otonashi: Inspired, enlightened, and determined.
Igarashi: Level headed, practical, .....all the tell-tale sign of a leader.
Dude with the dark blue and white striped hoodie: Rebellious, would question authority, kind of your dark horse but not necessarily a horrid person. He would be your typical bully.
The kid that tried to steal the water: He is in all likelihood who is blessed with the superb perception of someone who can analyze a situation with a certain clarity that would elude an average person. So he was engulfed in fear and panic more than anyone else once Otonashi reported back that the other side of the tunnel is also blocked off. The maximum chance a person can give for his/her survival in such situation is water. He is also the type that would be bullied.
The blue hair lady who wanted to beat that kid: Strong, independent, and not easily forgiving.
The rest: They didn't do/say enough to speculate upon, but they still played an important role to strike home the message how individual can leave a mark about their selfish personality even while working as a group in dire situations for the sake of survival. Judgment can be clouded when certain conditions are met. Very human.
We could only wonder what would have happened and how it would have gone down if they were still stuck in that tunnel after Otonashi was dead. He was pretty much the glue that was keeping all these people together.
That's the difference between you and those people who got trapped. I myself haven't signed anything like that and never really bothered to look for such card. And you might call me a bastard but so far I have no wish to sign it, duno why but it kinda scares me... I want to keep my body the way it is, so yeh you can call me selfish.
So for me that moment was kinda powerful, who knows maybe I also will change my mind some day and will sign it.
That's funny. If anything this episode convinced me to put registering as a donor on top of my priority list. I honestly hadn't even considered it before.
Anyone else been inspired/uninspired? I would be very amused to switch to the news the next day and find a bit about a sudden sharp increase of japanese donors.
That scene alone shows how good this episode was considering there is no one-answer. Every one of these people that had a dialogue in that portion gives away a little bit about self to compare their personality with people we might know in our every day life.
Otonashi: Inspired, enlightened, and determined.
Igarashi: Level headed, practical, .....all the tell-tale sign of a leader.
Dude with the dark blue and white striped hoodie: Rebellious, would question authority, kind of your dark horse but not necessarily a horrid person. He would be your typical bully.
The kid that tried to steal the water: He is in all likelihood who is blessed with the superb perception of someone who can analyze a situation with a certain clarity that would elude an average person. So he was engulfed in fear and panic more than anyone else once Otonashi reported back that the other side of the tunnel is also blocked off. The maximum chance a person can give for his/her survival in such situation is water. He is also the type that would be bullied.
The blue hair lady who wanted to beat that kid: Strong, independent, and not easily forgiving.
The rest: They didn't do/say enough to speculate upon, but they still played an important role to strike home the message how individual can leave a mark about their selfish personality even while working as a group in dire situations for the sake of survival. Judgment can be clouded when certain conditions are met. Very human.
We could only wonder what would have happened and how it would have gone down if they were still stuck in that tunnel after Otonashi was dead. He was pretty much the glue that was keeping all these people together.
What??? They had the typical guy who is rebellious, the side-kick, and the guy who goes berserk and loses it. Your description of "The kid that tried to steal the water" is hilarious, were you being serious about that? This is a perfect case of reading way way too much into something.
Xellos-_^
2010-05-29, 16:38
Maybe he is bad at reading or explaining?
Besides isn't he American?
probably why his english is bad.
His english isn't bad. It's just that they make him say the most random things that make no sense in the English language ("Get chance and luck!"). I honestly don't know why the guy doesn't say something. Or maybe he just gets a kick out of it himself.
What??? They had the typical guy who is rebellious, the side-kick, and the guy who goes berserk and loses it. Your description of "The kid that tried to steal the water" is hilarious, were you being serious about that? This is a perfect case of reading way way too much into something.
Greetings! I come in peace.
I was being very serious, but you are probably right...
Greetings! I come in peace.
I was being very serious, but you are probably right...
It's fine, it's just I'm used to reading Lost theories where people speculate about ridiculously mundane useless things and try to make it out to be genius. They actually used cliches in regards to most of the characters but I think it worked out well, one thing this show is good at is execution.
one thing this show is good at is execution.
Hahaha, lol. I'd say execution is this shows biggest flaw. It's just that somehow they actually got it right this time round.
Anyone else been inspired/uninspired? I would be very amused to switch to the news the next day and find a bit about a sudden sharp increase of japanese donors.
It's not like people turn in an application/form for that, so it's not something we can find out overnight. :heh:
But yeah, for that scene, other than the reasons I already talked about for not discrediting it, the whole flashback was smooth leading up to it. Only 11.5 minutes spent, so definitely not dragged out as someone mentioned. It might be a little melodramatic with the 7-day span and a bit too convenient that Otonashi dropped right before rescue arrvied, but nothing felt unnatural or out of place. Also, did anyone notice that Igarashi's seiyuu was Seki Tomokazu? That was just a total plus to that scene. Just how much of a genius are you, Maeda, writing all those music like Natsukage, Last regrets, Nagisa, hope, cier kor, etc., scripts like AIR, Tomoyo After, then this? This is just a bit too much, Maeda, too much. :love:
skyy54264
2010-05-29, 16:50
@The TK's English discussion
TK's English isn't "bad" per se. He is a minor character. Speaking English is just his catchphrase/"thing" like all the other minors. By giving every character their own catchphrase, it's how the show is doing so well in terms of comedy.
TK - English one liners
Yui - calling everyone an idiot
Shiina - "how thoughtless"
Takeyama - "call me Christ" (no one ever does)
Noda - First to die/carries a big axe/dumbass
Naoi - "I am God"/homo for Otonashi
Takamatsu - buff
Matsushita 5th Dan - will do anything for a bowl of beef noodles
I'm not sure what Ooyama and Fujimaki's unique comedy trait is though...
Hahaha, lol. I'd say execution is this shows biggest flaw. It's just that somehow they actually got it right this time round.
Well on that I would disagree however I have huge issues with the writing and some of the characters so I probably have a slant on this topic.
It's fine, it's just I'm used to reading Lost theories where people speculate about ridiculously mundane useless things and try to make it out to be genius. They actually used cliches in regards to most of the characters but I think it worked out well, one thing this show is good at is execution.
It's debatable this show is good at its execution considering what little direction it has got in terms of storytelling. Thus far it has been a over saturation of tragedies mixed with comedies which has been ill placed and very awkward at times.
It's debatable this show is good at its execution considering what little direction it has got in terms of storytelling. Thus far it has been a over saturation of tragedies mixed with comedies which has been ill placed and very awkward at times.
I meant execution of particular scenes, not the show in general.
His english isn't bad. It's just that they make him say the most random things that make no sense in the English language ("Get chance and luck!"). I honestly don't know why the guy doesn't say something. Or maybe he just gets a kick out of it himself.
Most of the "random things" he says are either titles or quotes from songs. Get chance and luck = first City hunter ending, "Get wild". Still waiting for him to say "Get wild and tough" at some point. Even the very few japanese sentences he uttered were from a song (Hurry up! by B'z).
It's just his gimmick, and seeing how popular he is, I say it works just fine. I love him too.
DmonHiro
2010-05-29, 17:14
I don't give a damn about realism or what not: the donor card scene was excellent, and it brought tears to my eyes.
We could only wonder what would have happened and how it would have gone down if they were still stuck in that tunnel after Otonashi was dead. He was pretty much the glue that was keeping all these people together.
They were already too weak to do anything so probably they woukld have just started to drop like flies. :heh:
Anh_Minh
2010-05-29, 17:39
That scene alone shows how good this episode was considering there is no one-answer. Every one of these people that had a dialogue in that portion gives away a little bit about self to compare their personality with people we might know in our every day life.
Otonashi: Inspired, enlightened, and determined.
Igarashi: Level headed, practical, .....all the tell-tale sign of a leader.
More like an XO, which is how he acted anyway. The bridge between Otonashi (the leader) and the rest of the group.
Dude with the dark blue and white striped hoodie: Rebellious, would question authority, kind of your dark horse but not necessarily a horrid person. He would be your typical bully.
A bully isn't horrid? Not that we can really conclude he is a bully. We haven't seen enough, and the circumstances were special.
The kid that tried to steal the water: He is in all likelihood who is blessed with the superb perception of someone who can analyze a situation with a certain clarity that would elude an average person. So he was engulfed in fear and panic more than anyone else once Otonashi reported back that the other side of the tunnel is also blocked off. The maximum chance a person can give for his/her survival in such situation is water. He is also the type that would be bullied.
I agree he panicked, but I'd be leery of ascribing that to any special analytical ability he might have. I think they all understood their only chance was to be rescued and that it was a race against time. I don't see how running around in a place with nowhere to hide after turning the rest of the group against him would improve his chances.
The blue hair lady who wanted to beat that kid: Strong, independent, and not easily forgiving.
He stopped hitting the guy easily enough. Someone unforgiving would have proposed cannibalism to both punish the guy and extend everyone else's chances.
The rest: They didn't do/say enough to speculate upon, but they still played an important role to strike home the message how individual can leave a mark about their selfish personality even while working as a group in dire situations for the sake of survival. Judgment can be clouded when certain conditions are met. Very human.
Well, there was a cute couple. Stayed together until the end.
I don't give a damn about realism or what not: the donor card scene was excellent, and it brought tears to my eyes.
It was nice, but I couldn't help but wonder: after days in those condition, what state are their organs going to be in?
kitten320
2010-05-29, 18:05
His english isn't bad. It's just that they make him say the most random things that make no sense in the English language ("Get chance and luck!"). I honestly don't know why the guy doesn't say something. Or maybe he just gets a kick out of it himself.
Maybe because of some things that happened while he was alive, duno.
Otanashi and Kanade are wrong.
They have no right to force people to behave the way they want. So what if they don't want to be "at peace" - as if that is something that truly exists anyway. Are the SSS not happy? Where they not enjoying their time at the lake, and feeding the NPC's?
So why now is forcing everyone to come to terms with their death so important? Naoi tried this and they stopped him but now when they want to do the same thing it's all ok? They still have no evidence of any 'after-afterlife' so for all they know disappearing is like dying again. No, disappearing IS like dying again, and who wants to die AGAIN?
Otanashi claims his "sacrifice" helped people, but really in the grand scheme of things, did he make any difference? People die, whether they get organ transplants or not, and here we have a group of people living eternally in bliss, never dying and he is trying to take this away from them!
If Otanashi wanted to do the "right thing" he would come out and tell them straight what he thinks. Instead he lies and intends to deceive and trick people into revealing their secrets, he might as well start calling himself God now.
Konakaga
2010-05-29, 18:47
I'm not sure what Ooyama and Fujimaki's unique comedy trait is though...
Funny you should mention them, together, just look at them in the ending theme, and well you should get their um... "comedy" trait :uhoh: at least I think that's it since they don't really have anything else.
Knightrunner
2010-05-29, 18:52
Otanashi and Kanade are wrong.
They have no right to force people to behave the way they want. So what if they don't want to be "at peace" - as if that is something that truly exists anyway. Are the SSS not happy? Where they not enjoying their time at the lake, and feeding the NPC's?
So why now is forcing everyone to come to terms with their death so important? Naoi tried this and they stopped him but now when they want to do the same thing it's all ok? They still have no evidence of any 'after-afterlife' so for all they know disappearing is like dying again. No, disappearing IS like dying again, and who wants to die AGAIN?
Otanashi claims his "sacrifice" helped people, but really in the grand scheme of things, did he make any difference? People die, whether they get organ transplants or not, and here we have a group of people living eternally in bliss, never dying and he is trying to take this away from them!
If Otanashi wanted to do the "right thing" he would come out and tell them straight what he thinks. Instead he lies and intends to deceive and trick people into revealing their secrets, he might as well start calling himself God now.
I can't wait for Yurippe to find out and make counter measures against them. It would be interesting to see how the conflict is going to play out.
Crontica
2010-05-29, 19:01
Otanashi and Kanade are wrong.
They have no right to force people to behave the way they want. So what if they don't want to be "at peace" - as if that is something that truly exists anyway. Are the SSS not happy? Where they not enjoying their time at the lake, and feeding the NPC's?
So why now is forcing everyone to come to terms with their death so important? Naoi tried this and they stopped him but now when they want to do the same thing it's all ok? They still have no evidence of any 'after-afterlife' so for all they know disappearing is like dying again. No, disappearing IS like dying again, and who wants to die AGAIN?
Otanashi claims his "sacrifice" helped people, but really in the grand scheme of things, did he make any difference? People die, whether they get organ transplants or not, and here we have a group of people living eternally in bliss, never dying and he is trying to take this away from them!
If Otanashi wanted to do the "right thing" he would come out and tell them straight what he thinks. Instead he lies and intends to deceive and trick people into revealing their secrets, he might as well start calling himself God now.
And that my friends, is the 4th arc of this show.
I know Otonashi has good intentions but those intentions have a high chance of permanently killing you, Otonashi would atleast like that when you do eventually disappear your regrets aren't broken but that doesn't matter to some people as life has a spectacular way of throwing you into hell at whim.
This may not have passed your minds yet but do you know Otonashi has a emosuke fanboy with the freaking geass on his side yeah im sure ya know wat im talkin about. Naoi just got thrown back into the role we all thought was adverted. Hello plot twist.
Otonashi now can practically wipe their memories if he gets busted.
yaaa never thought i'd see a code geass jab of this level.
Dark Wing
2010-05-29, 19:10
I can't wait for Yurippe to find out and make counter measures against them. It would be interesting to see how the conflict is going to play out.
I would also love to see how this all plays out but I can't see how Key can rap it all up in 4 episodes.:(
I really hope this doesn't end with everyone dissapearing. It'd be a dissapointing end knowing there'd never be a second series.
aeriolewinters
2010-05-29, 19:16
I would also love to see how this all plays out but I can't see how Key can rap it all up in 4 episodes.
But 4 Eps + OAV series would, right?
Crontica
2010-05-29, 19:18
But 4 Eps + OAV series would, right?
Ahh the OVAs.. We all know where Bakemonogatari's standing is right. :heh:
Otanashi and Kanade are wrong.
They have no right to force people to behave the way they want. So what if they don't want to be "at peace" - as if that is something that truly exists anyway. Are the SSS not happy? Where they not enjoying their time at the lake, and feeding the NPC's?
So why now is forcing everyone to come to terms with their death so important? Naoi tried this and they stopped him but now when they want to do the same thing it's all ok? They still have no evidence of any 'after-afterlife' so for all they know disappearing is like dying again. No, disappearing IS like dying again, and who wants to die AGAIN?
Otanashi claims his "sacrifice" helped people, but really in the grand scheme of things, did he make any difference? People die, whether they get organ transplants or not, and here we have a group of people living eternally in bliss, never dying and he is trying to take this away from them!
If Otanashi wanted to do the "right thing" he would come out and tell them straight what he thinks. Instead he lies and intends to deceive and trick people into revealing their secrets, he might as well start calling himself God now.
Not going to argue whether what they are doing is right or wrong, but what you said did kind of cross his mind. At the end of the episode, he did say "When everything's over, at that time... at that time, what will happen to us?" And 2 points there I would like to clarify: 1) Otonashi stopped Naoi (I assume you mean what he was trying to do to Yuri) because Naoi was giving Yuri an illusion for her to RIP, instead of letting her coming to peace at her feeling of what really happened. Is that neccessary? I don't know, depends on whether you just want to live happily even if it's just based on an illusion; 2) If he goes and tell others, then the plan won't work. You mentioned the fishing and feeding scene, remember Ooyama suggesting a new team name of "Living-an-idle-life-so-that-we-won't-disappear team", because they had nothing to fight against anymore? Otonashi can't just go tell them the plan and expect them to fight against Tenshi, pretending she's still an enemy.
pagan poor
2010-05-29, 19:29
Loved the background to Otonashi's demise, and how close Otonoashi and Tachibane are getting. Especially with her stroking his head/face.
kitten320
2010-05-29, 19:38
Otanashi and Kanade are wrong.
They have no right to force people to behave the way they want. So what if they don't want to be "at peace" - as if that is something that truly exists anyway. Are the SSS not happy? Where they not enjoying their time at the lake, and feeding the NPC's?
So why now is forcing everyone to come to terms with their death so important? Naoi tried this and they stopped him but now when they want to do the same thing it's all ok? They still have no evidence of any 'after-afterlife' so for all they know disappearing is like dying again. No, disappearing IS like dying again, and who wants to die AGAIN?
Otanashi claims his "sacrifice" helped people, but really in the grand scheme of things, did he make any difference? People die, whether they get organ transplants or not, and here we have a group of people living eternally in bliss, never dying and he is trying to take this away from them!
If Otanashi wanted to do the "right thing" he would come out and tell them straight what he thinks. Instead he lies and intends to deceive and trick people into revealing their secrets, he might as well start calling himself God now.
I partly do agree and partly no.
Just because they act all happy doesn't mean that they really are. Yuri clearly has huge struggle with her past as well as regret but tries to cover it up. Everyone wants peace, to fulifil their dream and overcome their regrets despite acting natural. That's human nature, be you alive or dead like here. I myself act mostly happy but it doesn't mean that I'm not sad inside sometimes.
Hinata also is having fun with everyone but the moment he got close to his dream and being able to overcome the regret, he completly forgot about everything else and if he did catch the ball he would be happy anyway. The reason Otanashi tried to stop him is because he had no idea about the feeling. It actually looked like hypnose or something. Also dissapear fulifield and die are two different things.
No one really plans to force, they just will give them a chance to fulifil what they want. It is completly up to them if they will do it or no. For example Hinata can easily put his hands down and let the ball fall. Also Otonashi had reached his dream yet he still is here, same thing might apply to them too.
What Naoi (that's Otonashi's fanboy, right?) tried to do was fake, he would make them believe in what had never happened. It was a lie. Lie can't make you happy. Would you be happy if someoen told you that you have won a million, got all excited about it and then found out that it was a lie? Really doubt it and I know it was not the best example. So basicly they still would leave the world in regret.
And they do die here even though it is pernament. they still feel pain.
Alright, then let's ban doctors. Why do we need them? We still will die eventually so why bother? Day sooner day later, right? Or more likely die today or 10 years later, no difference at all... From now on don't you dare to go to doctors and receive medical help! Actually don't bother to do anything, studying, having fun... you still will die and that all will be pointless in the end.
This statement of yours really has reminded me about someone and it seriously doesn't make me happy.
But yes, he should consult them first and explain things instead of doing it tricky way. And he obviously will pay for that eventually and might understand the mistake. Because now his actions will be almost the same as Tenshi's whose ways he called stupid.
Ice Block
2010-05-29, 19:48
Otanashi claims his "sacrifice" helped people, but really in the grand scheme of things, did he make any difference? People die, whether they get organ transplants or not, and here we have a group of people living eternally in bliss, never dying and he is trying to take this away from them!
Now, now. After all, we're all just evolved forms of hydrogen in the end. We're all made up of the same elementary particles as everything else in our universe. Why continue living at all? Why strive to be successful, why even bother to help your fellowmen, when after a few generations your apparent success or sacrifice will be forgotten? And even if it has impacted humanity in a big way, in 5 billion years the Earth will be burnt to a crisp anyway. Even if humans as a species manage to survive and bring your legacy with them to the edge of the eternity, after a googol years, the entire universe would be undergoing heat death. All that the sentient races of the cosmos had previously observed and revered would be reduced to elementary particles and antiparticles seldom annihilating themselves if ever they make contact in a universe composed almost entirely of open space. :p
Now, now. After all, we're all just evolved forms of hydrogen in the end. We're all made up of the same elementary particles as everything else in our universe. Why continue living at all? Why strive to be successful, why even bother to help your fellowmen, when after a few generations your apparent success or sacrifice will be forgotten? And even if it has impacted humanity in a big way, in 5 billion years the Earth will be burnt to a crisp anyway. Even if humans as a species manage to survive and bring your legacy with them to the edge of the eternity, after a googol years, the entire universe would be undergoing heat death. All that the sentient races of the cosmos had previously observed and revered would be reduced to elementary particles and antiparticles seldom annihilating themselves if ever they make contact in a universe composed almost entirely of open space. :p
:heh:
Excellent post! :D Definitely puts this show into perspective.
Knightrunner
2010-05-29, 20:02
Now, now. After all, we're all just evolved forms of hydrogen in the end. We're all made up of the same elementary particles as everything else in our universe. Why continue living at all? Why strive to be successful, why even bother to help your fellowmen, when after a few generations your apparent success or sacrifice will be forgotten? And even if it has impacted humanity in a big way, in 5 billion years the Earth will be burnt to a crisp anyway. Even if humans as a species manage to survive and bring your legacy with them to the edge of the eternity, after a googol years, the entire universe would be undergoing heat death. All that the sentient races of the cosmos had previously observed and revered would be reduced to elementary particles and antiparticles seldom annihilating themselves if ever they make contact in a universe composed almost entirely of open space. :p
lol who knows maybe another Einstein will be born, but figure out the formula of controling space and time.
hmm... not sure why Kanade and Yuri never talk but instead kept fighting
anywhere it is a relieve to see the "original" Kanade is back :)
maplehurry
2010-05-29, 20:30
Otanashi and Kanade are wrong.
They have no right to force people to behave the way they want. So what if they don't want to be "at peace" - as if that is something that truly exists anyway. Are the SSS not happy? Where they not enjoying their time at the lake, and feeding the NPC's?
So why now is forcing everyone to come to terms with their death so important? Naoi tried this and they stopped him but now when they want to do the same thing it's all ok? They still have no evidence of any 'after-afterlife' so for all they know disappearing is like dying again. No, disappearing IS like dying again, and who wants to die AGAIN?
Otanashi claims his "sacrifice" helped people, but really in the grand scheme of things, did he make any difference? People die, whether they get organ transplants or not, and here we have a group of people living eternally in bliss, never dying and he is trying to take this away from them!
If Otanashi wanted to do the "right thing" he would come out and tell them straight what he thinks. Instead he lies and intends to deceive and trick people into revealing their secrets, he might as well start calling himself God now.
It's no different than holding a concert only to steal meal tickets... except in the magnitude of the consequence maybe :p
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that Otonashi's forcing people to behave the way he wants to yet, until I see how he does it. But yes, he's not being honest.
Knightrunner
2010-05-29, 20:33
hmm... not sure why Kanade and Yuri never talk but instead kept fighting
anywhere it is a relieve to see the "original" Kanade is back :)
Actually in the book Yuri tried to get answers from Kanade, but her handsonic cause Yuri to believe she was an Angel. Then Yuri tricked Kanade to be the judge in the Chaa vs Yuri duel leading for Yuri to win. Then they all have tea together. I'm not sure what happens after since the rest was not translated but it seems like they can get along with each other fine.
Coming from a person who has her as an avatar, it just looks like you don't like her being hated on, simply.
As for "logic"... Well, I won't bother to go into this, since it would be off-topic.
I don't like her... just because I don't like her! OH MY GOD, don't shoot me with that slingsho- GYAH!
such a brat.
Knightrunner
2010-05-29, 20:44
such a brat.
:)
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This episode sure is sure one of the turning point of the series. Now people start wondering how the creator is going to do this in four episodes and these next episodes will decide weather the character will be epic or not since it will show there past and reactions and motives.
I'm hoping they will do justice to the decent characters.
I hope they create OVAs
season 2 is a must!
they take out 1-3 guys, but then at the last episode yuri finally discovers otonashi's betrayal. and cliffhanger ending!
Konakaga
2010-05-29, 20:49
I'm hoping they will do justice to the decent characters.
I hope they create OVAs
Me too, and I am fine with OVAs to cover some stuff, as long as we get better release "schedule" than hellsing, or bakemonogatari does :uhoh::heh:.
Edit: Alternatively:
season 2 is a must!
they take out 1-3 guys, but then at the last episode yuri finally discovers otonashi's betrayal. and cliffhanger ending!
So Angel Beats R2 next year then? :p
RyougaElliot
2010-05-29, 22:25
In case no one realized this, there is something of a stigma when it comes to volunteering to donate organs upon death.
It's a hotly discussed topic in Japan in regards to health care and the like, and one of the many reasons why children/adults who need to get transplants have to work so hard to go overseas to try their chances there.
So the fact that no one had signed it rung pretty true to what I've experienced in Japan.
I guess Oyama would be the easiest one to fulfill his goals.
Tenshi: So you were going on about the date...
Oyama: Um.. umm....
*later*
Tenshi: I am satisfied with the date.
*Oyama disappears*
Otanoshi: ..... what kind of regret was that?
Leo_Otaku
2010-05-30, 00:49
The best episode of all so far.
Wanted to point out I believe they have now mentioned the cause for his sister's death she needed an organ. I believe that is what it pointed out to.
When he asked for the pen I was wondering what he was going to do. I swear I thought he was going to stab himself in the head and ask them to eat his body 0_0 cross between a couple of shows and Tezuka works >.> But I realized Maeda wouldn't do it in that fashion XD
For the cards I found it a bit off that they all signed it. I know a few people who would never no matter what. Someone here mentioned he seemed like they were forced to sign it, hardly. As for everyone having a card he have it given out with our driver's license. It wouldn't be uncommon not to have one at all. I also discovered in reading that it was only since 1997 that it was enforced by law and the first transplant wasn't done until 1999.
As for the actual accident and where it happened would have a lot to do with how long it would have taken to discover them. If you have been to Japan depending on where the train is there are some pretty older places that still exist. Plus if it was the earthquake than probably they had more to deal with above ground and so forth.
Konakaga
2010-05-30, 01:10
Wanted to point out I believe they have now mentioned the cause for his sister's death she needed an organ. I believe that is what it pointed out to.
Yea they did point that out for sure as the cause of her issues rather than some completely vague disease, and I thought for a minute he was going to have suffered regret in not giving his sister one of his organs, but I guess dying a donor let him not regret that.
PeaceableRook
2010-05-30, 01:15
I cant help but wonder why people think it is so easy to rescue people stuck in an underground tunnel. Think about it this way, the tunnel seen in the episode has been either collapsed due to some sort of earthquake or simply shock from the train's derailment and collision. However since the opposing end was also collapsed it would appear to have been an earthquake. Multiple factors effect how long it would take to rescue people stuck underground in a railway tunnel, or mining tunnel. One being how stable the tunnel is, what obstacles may hinder the operation, and how fast one can get the proper tools to solve the problem, this amplified by the possibility (if it was an earthquake) of this earthquake causing damage to outlying roads slowing down the rescue team even further. This problem is similar to a slew of Mining accidents seen in the last year, many of which took around a week to get help to the survivors (of which only a handful usually survive). Using a drill probably wouldn't work as most underground tunnels go through mountains, meaning the ground above is too steep to mount a drilling platform. Simply bulldozing one's way through could also cause trouble as too much shock to an already weak tunnel will cause it to collapse.
Secondly the idea that doctors wont help you as-well if you have the organ donor section of your card checked yes, should be the least of your worries. The idea is after your death you can be of help to people who genuinely need a organ donor, creating a myth about shadowy doctors kinda calls out your own selfishness. Simply if you are so worried about people who need help after you die why bother with semantics? If you want to help people check the donor box, if not then don't. I see more people make excuses as they "don't want to be cut up" after they die. Even though the procedure is simple and doesn't effect your face (really the only thing people will see at a funeral unless you are cremated instead).
The episode overall was solid, the flow of events for the train crash seemed a little cliche but fit very well with Otanashi's character. I would admit if I were a couple years younger I may have cried at this episode as it is a beautifully composed story, though frankly the abstract randomness leading up to this episode kinda throws me off. The music fit well during the flashback scene and the characters within in it seemed believable, especially the "WERE ALL DEAD!!!" freaked out character. Otanashi's wounds appeared to be a couple fractured ribs along with either a ruptured stomach or destroyed kidney, the area around it was also bruised heavily so simple scarring tissue could of killed him aswell. Overall the wounds appeared to have been lethal but only after a a week of degrading, though this may be attributed to his will to live. In many medical cases in which the patient is terminal, it comes down to their own will to live, that is unless the illness or injury intensifies.
OMG!!!!
http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/jackistheman/AB/1.jpg
http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/jackistheman/AB/2.jpg
(...?!)
http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/jackistheman/AB/3.jpg
WTF!!!!!!
:p
LOL. That part totally caught me off guard!
Crontica
2010-05-30, 01:57
Your signature catches me off guard.
sylviana
2010-05-30, 01:59
Me too, and I am fine with OVAs to cover some stuff, as long as we get better release "schedule" than hellsing, or bakemonogatari does :uhoh::heh:.
Edit: Alternatively:
So Angel Beats R2 next year then? :p
i think......it will be.....Angel Beats! After Story......:heh:
Loved this episode. They extended the story behind Otanashi's death and added more depth and logic to the world the after-lifers inhabit. Now Otonashi's no longer a man without a cause. He now has something to accomplish beyond sabotaging exam answers and shooting council presidents. This anime really grew on me over a short course of 9 episodes. I'm genuinely impressed with the plot continuity and the logical progression. 10/10
BTW....Kanade moe...KAWAII!!!!! Can't get enough of it. So adorable!
i think......it will be.....Angel Beats! After Story......:heh:
With a vocalised variation of one of the songs from the original series as the OP? XD
aeriolewinters
2010-05-30, 03:57
I hate to compare things but, why does it feel that this is going to end like Sola.
Matsuri and Yorito disappear leaving Aono behind...
Otanashi and Kanade are wrong.
They have no right to force people to behave the way they want. So what if they don't want to be "at peace" - as if that is something that truly exists anyway. Are the SSS not happy? Where they not enjoying their time at the lake, and feeding the NPC's?
So why now is forcing everyone to come to terms with their death so important? Naoi tried this and they stopped him but now when they want to do the same thing it's all ok? They still have no evidence of any 'after-afterlife' so for all they know disappearing is like dying again. No, disappearing IS like dying again, and who wants to die AGAIN?
Otanashi claims his "sacrifice" helped people, but really in the grand scheme of things, did he make any difference? People die, whether they get organ transplants or not, and here we have a group of people living eternally in bliss, never dying and he is trying to take this away from them!
If Otanashi wanted to do the "right thing" he would come out and tell them straight what he thinks. Instead he lies and intends to deceive and trick people into revealing their secrets, he might as well start calling himself God now.
I actually hope Yuri or someone makes such a counter argument, but yeah, i have to agree with Kitten320 and Ice Block on this one.
Just rewatched the episode again (yes, I love this episode too much :heh:) and I suddenly realized we all might have missed an important point: even if Otonashi's plan works out, which I believe it will, does it mean everyone will disappear for sure? No, because then Otonashi should have disappeared to begin with. Why is he still around then? Even though his second reason was to help everyone coming to peace with their feelings of what happened in the real world, but when he first answered Tenshi that "because they are here", Tenshi's question to him was "do you want to be with them forever", and he said gave a positive response to that. Seems like that is a good enough reason to stay behind in that world. Heck, maybe just "I want to be with you (you as Tenshi)" alone will be good enough of a reason, as long as he has some kind of attachment to that world. Then wouldn't that reason also work for others?
I worked something out while sleeping last night.
I don't think Otonashi died at the point in the tunnel. I think there's more to come. Everyone is there because they have regrets in life, minus of course the NPC students. So why, if Otonashi ended up saving alot of peoples lives before he died, why would he end up there?
Something doesn't add up right.
I worked something out while sleeping last night.
I don't think Otonashi died at the point in the tunnel. I think there's more to come. Everyone is there because they have regrets in life, minus of course the NPC students. So why, if Otonashi ended up saving alot of peoples lives before he died, why would he end up there?
Something doesn't add up right.
It was already brought up somewhere in this thread I believe. You have to note that he died just before rescue arrived, which means he had no idea that the other people survived and that he managed to save them.
Francismeunier
2010-05-30, 08:17
All I can say in regards to my second time seeing this is that I am getting some strange vibes of the message that there is a lot of souls lost wandering and that for them to move on they have to come to terms with their regrets and hope to do something better in their new future life. This episode really explained that more than any other I find.
kitten320
2010-05-30, 08:46
I worked something out while sleeping last night.
I don't think Otonashi died at the point in the tunnel. I think there's more to come. Everyone is there because they have regrets in life, minus of course the NPC students. So why, if Otonashi ended up saving alot of peoples lives before he died, why would he end up there?
Something doesn't add up right.
He definetly was dead there, I really can't call it a face of alive being.
He didn't know that everyone got saved amd because of memory lose couldn't really tell if he had achieved something, that is why he came to their world. Also when he died after signing card, he might not have clearly thought about he actually had achieved by it.
OMG!!!!
http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/jackistheman/AB/1.jpg
http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/jackistheman/AB/2.jpg
(...?!)
http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx201/jackistheman/AB/3.jpg
WTF!!!!!!
:p
I actually didn't catch it, she always was talking before so why such reaction?
sylviana
2010-05-30, 08:55
I actually didn't catch it, she always was talking before so why such reaction?
~ How shallowhead ~ How shallowhead ~ (Hasahakanari...(?)
just think if T.K. say long sentence/question like that...not just his lovely phrase like "chop chop chop" or "It's a moonwalk, it's a moonwalk, headspin" :heh:
i'll shock as well...:heh:
I actually didn't catch it, she always was talking before so why such reaction?
Just to expand on what Sylvania said above, her talking never exceeded beyond a couple of familiar phrases. This time the gravity of the situation was amplified when she came out and started a whole sentence and finished it. :heh:
Btw, I think Otonashi's regret has to do with his sister's death and how helpless he was to watch her die. It also the reason he was pursuing to become a doctor which also remained unfulfilled by his untimely death. It might explain why he is so protective of Kanade.
~ How shallowhead ~ How shallowhead ~ (Hasahakanari...(?)
just think if T.K. say long sentence/question like that...not just his lovely phrase like "chop chop chop" or "It's a moonwalk, it's a moonwalk, headspin" :heh:
i'll shock as well...:heh:
I actually wouldn't be surprised if, prior to disappearing or in the final episode if a small group of them remain, he just has this epic and moving speech that takes like 45 seconds to say, and everyone just stares at him in a dumbfound manner.
risingstar3110
2010-05-30, 12:20
Great episode. Otonashi's past had some cheesy moments but the end was touching... Really got my emotions up there...
Anyway, want to make some points here....
a) This is just my random theory. But there is a chance that Kanede was really taken over by one of her clone (or all of them). Because:
- Absorption was not there when Yuri infiltrate Kanede's room,
- The clone 's evil plan seems to be suppressed so easily. Off screen too
- She tried to confirm with Otonashi that it was her who won the battle against the clones. It's unnatural to do so
- Kanede's approach seems OOC as she now goes for not-so-passive stand (she didn't even try to defend her president role back then, and now she even recruit/ask Otonashi to help her).
- It's easy for newcomer like Otonashi to think everything could be a misunderstanding, but Kanade had many occasions to converse with Yuri before. She can sort things out if she want to. "So you'd target our weakest link"
- The last several chapters will be more dramatic ("fighting to save Kanade") instead of 3-4 people disappearing everyday.
Random speculation through :p
b) I also do not approve Otonashi plans. Creating a chance for people to fulfill their dream without their careful consideration and awareness of the situation, will like handing a gun to one person, who is currently lacking the will to live (and then later say that they chose it themselves). Taking Hinata for example, he clearly tried not to disappear, but he could be carelessly driven by emotions like in that baseball screen.
- She tried to confirm with Otonashi that it was her who won the battle against the clones. It's unnatural to do so.
That could've just been exposition at the expense of common sense. It's not like we haven't seen that sort of thing before.
Besides, what exactly is 'unnatural' for Kanade? ;)
risingstar3110
2010-05-30, 13:30
That could've just been exposition at the expense of common sense. It's not like we haven't seen that sort of thing before.
Besides, what exactly is 'unnatural' for Kanade? ;)
Her "Guard Skill"'s laser sword...... yeah, you won't normally see that kind of biological modification in nature.... Then her white hair and yellow eye as well. It's obviously unnatural
Yeah i knows how sometime in ep 1 of anime, the characters can start to say silly things like "How can you make me, your childhood friend since Grade 3, do your homework". In this case, I was just trying to analyze things to suit my random theory there.
kitten320
2010-05-30, 13:38
Just to expand on what Sylvania said above, her talking never exceeded beyond a couple of familiar phrases. This time the gravity of the situation was amplified when she came out and started a whole sentence and finished it. :heh:
Btw, I think Otonashi's regret has to do with his sister's death and how helpless he was to watch her die. It also the reason he was pursuing to become a doctor which also remained unfulfilled by his untimely death. It might explain why he is so protective of Kanade.
Duno, her sentances seemed pretty full in baseball episode. Maybe not the smartest ones but...
Her "Guard Skill"'s laser sword...... yeah, you won't normally see that kind of biological modification in nature.... Then her white hair and yellow eye as well. It's obviously unnatural
Doesn't seem any more unnatural than blue or pink hair to me :heh:
kk2extreme
2010-05-30, 13:46
wait, why didn't they eat the dead guy back in the tunnel for survival?
kitten320
2010-05-30, 14:26
wait, why didn't they eat the dead guy back in the tunnel for survival?
Not everyone are that desperate.
Besides it was never stated what happened with his body. And food was not the only issue there. I'm pretty sure they were getting out of air.
Knightrunner
2010-05-30, 14:33
wait, why didn't they eat the dead guy back in the tunnel for survival?
lol I would eat dirt first before the dead guy. Maybe they should have eatten first the guy who stole the waters for his punishment.
Besides how are they going to start a fire and prepare some soup.
Eisdrache
2010-05-30, 14:43
Weird episode. Not bad, but somehow weird. The flashback lasted quite a bit but the twintailed school girl was suuuuuuuuuuuuper cute so I'll look over it (*´∇｀*) I was really surprised to see him alive after the train crash and then lol Otonashi dying the most ridiculous death so far right before the rescue team gets in there. The episode itself made like ... very very little progress at all, showing Kanade getting back into the student council with Naoi getting back as vice. Some Otonashi x Kanade plans to make everyone move on but nothing really substantial.
Of course the nice Kanade is the one who wins over her mind, what was the point of her absorbing all those malicious clones again? Otonashi turning more and more into a certain CLANNAD main character with surprisingly similar name which makes me rage quite a bit. But he still has good points so I'll reserve judgement until later.
From the preview it seems that Yui will be the next to go though I'm not sure how they plan on making them all disappear in 4 episodes. Also my major rant so far is that IRIE AND SEKINE NOT ONLY DIDN'T SPEAK AT ALL AGAIN. DID SOMEONE SEE YUSA THIS EPISODE?
I'm really expecting a super rushed ending with some hilarious attempts to cover it up but I'm not someone to judge it before it actually happens so let's see what happens in the next few episodes.
kitten320
2010-05-30, 14:57
I actually don't see any similarities between Otonashi and Tomoya.
The point was to save everyone from terror, there is no way they could kill all those clones so I don't know what exactly you were expecting from it.
Also that was not ridiculouse death, it does happen really often that people die right before getting saved.
Anh_Minh
2010-05-30, 15:09
Not everyone are that desperate.
Besides it was never stated what happened with his body. And food was not the only issue there. I'm pretty sure they were getting out of air.
They looked like they had enough air. There must have been some circulation.
What they were missing was water.
Knightrunner
2010-05-30, 15:13
They looked like they had enough air. There must have been some circulation.
What they were missing was water.
This may sound gross but it is possible to drink your own urine since it is considered sterile. Some people survived because of this method.
When they started into the train scene, I thought it might have been a dream or something, as I thought that Otonashi's demise was instantaneous in the crash. It wasn't until he found that they were trapped that I realized this was more detailed memories. That whole bit was well-done, with the helping of the passengers, the organ cards, and the rescue at the end.
Kanade was absolutely angelic...but is she really an 'angel?' Seems that in previous episodes it was hinted that she was just like the others: trapped in this limbo world. Not sure what to think now.
kitten320
2010-05-30, 15:38
They looked like they had enough air. There must have been some circulation.
What they were missing was water.
There was huge space so the air on 7 days was enough, but still it made it harder to breath later on.
Besides just look at number of corpses, all of them are destroying air too.
Of course water also was a factor.
Thanks for the many reasonable replies (though someone seems to like giving me negative rep for everything I write but who cares)
Just because they act all happy doesn't mean that they really are. Yuri clearly has huge struggle with her past as well as regret but tries to cover it up. Everyone wants peace, to fulifil their dream and overcome their regrets despite acting natural. That's human nature, be you alive or dead like here. I myself act mostly happy but it doesn't mean that I'm not sad inside sometimes.
I think I must put some context into my reply for this part.
First, what do you think happens after the characters disappear? My understanding is that there is a high chance that they stop existing, hence my comparison to death. I accept that Yuri and the others are still dealing with the emotional impact of the unfairness of their lives, but I ask you this; would you trade immortality for peace of mind and death? The simple fact is that the characters have attained something unparalleled - certainty of their existence.
Every second we live now we have no idea whether our deaths could come suddenly. We live in constant fear of that, this episode showed that exactly - death is scary, it's the enemy of mankind. Everything we do is in fear (conscious or unconscious) of the uncertainty of the timing of our deaths. The SSS is removed from that. Completely and utterly in a heaven like state, where their every need is catered for (I think).
The fact is that Otanashi is lying. He is using deception in the hope that he will remove them from this place. My use of the word force in the original post was definitely premature, we don't know how Otanashi plans on getting his compatriots to die, but we know that he is deceiving them in order to do so. Otanashi should express his beliefs openly and give everyone the option of joining him to try and die, and everyone who enjoys their current existence vs the uncertainties of death can carry on having fun. I believe that doing anything else is akin to Naoi's hypnotism - presenting a false reality in order to get a desired result.
Alright, then let's ban doctors. Why do we need them? We still will die eventually so why bother? Day sooner day later, right? Or more likely die today or 10 years later, no difference at all... From now on don't you dare to go to doctors and receive medical help! Actually don't bother to do anything, studying, having fun... you still will die and that all will be pointless in the end.
I was very much aware during the writing of this part that I would get these sort of replies. I personally do not ascribe to this viewpoint on life, but a fact is a fact is it not?
The reason we have doctors and medicine is in order to stop death. This is done in the premise (true or untrue) that death is bad. If Otanashi is know ascribing to the viewpoint that death is not bad, then does that not destroy the impact of his "sacrifice"?
It was a lie. Lie can't make you happy.
Do you truly believe this?
Mikoto Misaka
2010-05-30, 16:01
In this episode, Otonashi seems to change his mind and decide to help "those guys" disappear. Won't his decision turn again?
I can't accept such "happy" ending because I want not to lose my favorite characters following Iwasawa :eyespin:
I believe I am not the only person that feels sad to watch their disappearance.
Well, atleast hinata didn't have 'gone' in fourth episode, show without him woudn't be the same ;p
Anh_Minh
2010-05-30, 16:31
Thanks for the many reasonable replies (though someone seems to like giving me negative rep for everything I write but who cares)
I think I must put some context into my reply for this part.
First, what do you think happens after the characters disappear? My understanding is that there is a high chance that they stop existing, hence my comparison to death.
It is exactly like death, in that we just don't know what happens afterward. More so, in fact, than IRL death. Since I don't believe in souls, I'm certain enough that there's nothing after death. Being in Angel Beat's world would prove me wrong, and then I'd be all uncertain.
I accept that Yuri and the others are still dealing with the emotional impact of the unfairness of their lives, but I ask you this; would you trade immortality for peace of mind and death?
Hard to say. More on that later.
The simple fact is that the characters have attained something unparalleled - certainty of their existence.
Every second we live now we have no idea whether our deaths could come suddenly. We live in constant fear of that, this episode showed that exactly - death is scary, it's the enemy of mankind. Everything we do is in fear (conscious or unconscious) of the uncertainty of the timing of our deaths. The SSS is removed from that. Completely and utterly in a heaven like state, where their every need is catered for (I think).
But that's not the case. They're not really immortal. It's just that death comes upon them more sneakily than for us. We have to be careful about diseases, accidents, and so on. They have to be careful about happiness and satisfaction. That's the pervert side of their situation. They can live forever... but they have to be careful about being too happy. They don't even really see it coming, so they have to play it safe. It's not hell, but it's not heaven either.
The fact is that Otanashi is lying. He is using deception in the hope that he will remove them from this place. My use of the word force in the original post was definitely premature, we don't know how Otanashi plans on getting his compatriots to die, but we know that he is deceiving them in order to do so. Otanashi should express his beliefs openly and give everyone the option of joining him to try and die, and everyone who enjoys their current existence vs the uncertainties of death can carry on having fun. I believe that doing anything else is akin to Naoi's hypnotism - presenting a false reality in order to get a desired result.
Agreed. It's all the more weird he accused Kaname of being "clumsy" because of her lack of communication. And yet, what's his plan? Go back to how it was before.
The fact is that Otanashi is lying. He is using deception in the hope that he will remove them from this place.
If Otonashi is lying, then he hasn't done anything worse than Yuri herself has. Yuri has put forth a deliberately negative view of "moving on" in order to bind the group to a uniform purpose, when there are clear signs of her knowing it's not as simple as she makes it out to be. There is absolutely no way Otonashi can force someone to move on if they're not ready, any more than Yuri can force them to stay if they're ready to go.
maplehurry
2010-05-30, 17:30
Taking Hinata for example, he clearly tried not to disappear, but he could be carelessly driven by emotions like in that baseball screen.
I wouldn't be so sure, otherwise Otonashi would've disappeared already.
I believe that doing anything else is akin to Naoi's hypnotism - presenting a false reality in order to get a desired result.
Both are clearly not good, but they are not necessarily the same. It's like an informat lying about his identity so that you can trust his info, but this info is true and real, as opposed to simply giving out false info. This, of course, is just an assumption, hence why I said, "not necessarily the same" rather than "not the same".
This is done in the premise (true or untrue) that death is bad. If Otanashi is know ascribing to the viewpoint that death is not bad, then does that not destroy the impact of his "sacrifice"?
Well, I think it is based on situations rather than a simple binary view of death being bad vs not bad all across.
Konakaga
2010-05-30, 17:39
If Otonashi is lying, then he hasn't done anything worse than Yuri herself has. Yuri has put forth a deliberately negative view of "moving on" in order to bind the group to a uniform purpose, when there are clear signs of her knowing it's not as simple as she makes it out to be. There is absolutely no way Otonashi can force someone to move on if they're not ready, any more than Yuri can force them to stay if they're ready to go.
I disagree, assuming three possible outcomes from "moving on" either 1. "absolute" end to their existence nothing else after it bad, 2. go to heaven, or hell good/bad, or 3. reborn to reality bad/good. So we have 1/3 bad, and 2/3 depends.
This means at most Yuri's negative view is deceiving about two of the three at worst, and none at best, where as Otanashi's positive view is deceiving about all three at worst[if they would go to hell, or reborn as non-human, or into another twisted fate life], and minimally deceiving about "absolute" end to their existence being good.
So logically Otanashi's positive view does worse deceiving than Yuri's negative view on it simply because the unknown outcomes favoring a view againist "moving on".
...Only here would I see moving on, finding peace, facing your regrets, and accepting what your life was being considered... negative. My, oh my.
caesarsalad
2010-05-30, 18:02
I enjoyed the episode; it was very touching, especially the last part of Otonashi's flashback. It was a bit long, but it was good. But, when it comes to Otonashi's plans...
I also do not approve Otonashi plans. Creating a chance for people to fulfill their dream without their careful consideration and awareness of the situation, will like handing a gun to one person, who is currently lacking the will to live (and then later say that they chose it themselves). Taking Hinata for example, he clearly tried not to disappear, but he could be carelessly driven by emotions like in that baseball screen.
... I pretty much have to agree with this. I dunno. Aren't the SSS members having fun existing in this strange world, and Otonashi also said he was having fun? I mean, it's great he's going to try to help people realize their dreams or accept their life, but... I personally feel that they should come to the realization naturally, like Iwasawa did, on her own. :heh: I don't think Hinata wanted to disappear there, either. Meh, that's just me...
I'm just worried that if they disappear they won't be reborn. T_T I'd love an ending where everyone could be reborn in a similar setting but that's just my idealistic idea :heh:
Well, I'll have to see the next few episodes to know what's going on...
maplehurry
2010-05-30, 18:19
I disagree, assuming three possible outcomes from "moving on" either 1. "absolute" end to their existence nothing else after it bad, 2. go to heaven, or hell good/bad, or 3. reborn to reality bad/good. So we have 1/3 bad, and 2/3 depends.
This means at most Yuri's negative view is deceiving about two of the three at worst, and none at best, where as Otanashi's positive view is deceiving about all three at worst[if they would go to hell, or reborn as non-human, or into another twisted fate life], and minimally deceiving about "absolute" end to their existence being good.
So logically Otanashi's positive view does worse deceiving than Yuri's negative view on it simply because the unknown outcomes favoring a view againist "moving on".
This reminds me of Pascal's wager lol. Just saying :p
Knightrunner
2010-05-30, 18:40
It would be cool if in the end they all get reborn but do not have a memory about eachother and then when they grow up they all happen to be in the same class in the same highschool and start becoming friends again.
Wow either Japan's emergency response teams move slow or this was the worst tunnel collapses in history.
Yeah, I agree that one week to save someone from a collapsed commercial line tunnel was too much.
Also, I don't know in Japan, but in Italy the tunnels should have an emergency telephone and an emergency exit every 50meters, if I'm not wrong. Isn't there a similar law in Japan?
kk2extreme
2010-05-30, 19:59
lol I would eat dirt first before the dead guy. Maybe they should have eatten first the guy who stole the waters for his punishment.
Besides how are they going to start a fire and prepare some soup.
you don't need fire, just eat him raw, and human body is 70% water so if you could save the blood and brain juice for fluids, its cold enough so the body won't rot at a accelerated rate.
as in the emergency response team, i suspect that the rubbles are thick and there is a blinding snow storm that slows down the rescue efforts
skyy54264
2010-05-30, 20:41
I hate to compare things but, why does it feel that this is going to end like Sola.
Matsuri and Yorito disappear leaving Aono behind...
I have that feeling too... Sola left a weird taste. It's wasn't a bad ending. But it wasn't necessarily good either.
kitten320
2010-05-30, 20:42
Yes you might want to live forever but eventually you will get bored of it, because what do they have in this world? School and some fighting with Tenshi? Actually the whole fighting is the only real fun they are having here.
The moment Kanade will stop fighting them, their immortal life will become boring since they will be on normal daily bases and eventually it will get tiresome espacially when you are bound to one place aka school. So basicly they will pass on sooner or later.
Knightrunner
2010-05-30, 20:51
Yes you might want to live forever but eventually you will get bored of it, because what do they have in this world? School and some fighting with Tenshi? Actually the whole fighting is the only real fun they are having here.
The moment Kanade will stop fighting them, their immortal life will become boring since they will be on normal daily bases and eventually it will get tiresome espacially when you are bound to one place aka school. So basicly they will pass on sooner or later.
I guess but they can learn how to crack Kanade's code and create video games, skateboards, and stuff. It doesn't seem like anybody tried to go to far from school so maybe an explorer will appear to make new discoveries. They already have fishing and hanging around your friends can be a fun no matter what kinds of technology a person lacks. Camping and living in cabins are good examples. Plus there could be monsters outside the fishing area.
Plus who knows maybe overtime other people will develop hypnosis or some other weird power in this world which would make things more interesting.
I find this episode very sad but at least it explains Otonashi's action back when he saved the new student president. I'm glad that Tenshi's gained an ally. But Yuri would be one hard girl to crack. She probably already knows the disappearing/moving on deal, yet she can't accept her hatred for the past and her situation.
Marcus H.
2010-05-30, 22:31
way to focus on yuri when this wasn't about her
Who said this episode was about a single character? Yes, Otonashi is the main focus of this episode, but this episode also showed a different side of Yuri, who can also find her actions as "too much".
OkamiNoKaze
2010-05-30, 23:09
Wow, great episode, I haven't watched must Lost, and this episode gave me Lost vibes. Also I've been comparing him to Shirou pretty much from the beginning, The irony being he's in world where people don't die when they are killed.
I'm waiting for the first disappeared girl, or some other person to come back, and say what's really going on. I also suspect, maybe, Otonshi, is the only fully dead one, (hence the memory loss) the rest are in comas of some sort.
FlareKnight
2010-05-30, 23:14
I have to say the episode really dropped my opinion of Otonashi. I mean it's fine if he's had a revelation and has accepted his life and death. But now he's going to go around manipulating the rest of the SSS to move on. It'd be better if he openly stated his beliefs and tried to convince them. Instead he realizes that won't work so he's going to betray the group so he can feel satisfied that he's done what's best for them. It just doesn't leave me with a positive feeling to see his actions at the end. Regardless of his good intentions I can't see it as anything other than betrayal against the others.
Knightrunner
2010-05-30, 23:19
I have to say the episode really dropped my opinion of Otonashi. I mean it's fine if he's had a revelation and has accepted his life and death. But now he's going to go around manipulating the rest of the SSS to move on. It'd be better if he openly stated his beliefs and tried to convince them. Instead he realizes that won't work so he's going to betray the group so he can feel satisfied that he's done what's best for them. It just doesn't leave me with a positive feeling to see his actions at the end. Regardless of his good intentions I can't see it as anything other than betrayal against the others.
That's why it will be interesting when Yurippe finds out about this plan. I can't wait for the conflict to start.
FlareKnight
2010-05-30, 23:22
That's why it will be interesting when Yurippe finds out about this plan. I can't wait for the conflict to start.Yeah it should be interesting. I mean considering how much they trust Otonashi the revelation will be painful for all of them. Who saw Otonashi as being the last boss coming :heh:?
Knightrunner
2010-05-30, 23:35
Yeah it should be interesting. I mean considering how much they trust Otonashi the revelation will be painful for all of them. Who saw Otonashi as being the last boss coming :heh:?
lol I didn't. I always thought Yurippe will be the last boss but it is actually reversed.
boredandlazy
2010-05-30, 23:36
Who said Otanashi's going to be manipulating anyone? He simply wants to help them pass on, who says he's going to use underhanded tactics to do it?
He wants to keep this a secret from Yuri because it's obvious she'd have absolutely none of it and would prevent the others from even listening to Otanashi.
Knightrunner
2010-05-30, 23:52
Well moving around under Yurippe rader by having Kanade be the enemy again implies being underhanded but I could be wrong on how he is going to plan this out.
Kaioshin Sama
2010-05-31, 00:51
And here comes the pathos to get the show going in some sort of direction. As usual it's some sort of vehicular crash that gets the ball rolling(ho hum :o ) and pretty standard Key stuff really with the usual tendency to go way overboard in trying to illicit sympathy from the audience, but you could almost welcome that back into a show that has been pretty stale for most of it's run and lacking in direction. Still can't see how we're looking at anything other than a rehash of Little Busters though.
me too...and where the hell did all of them get the card?....
Unlike the US which has no social health care, everyone in Japan has health insurance provided by the government which is paid for by taxes. As such, that health insurance card is something that everyone in Japan has and (from the poorest anime industry slave worker to the richest conglomerate head of Toyota, from the new born child to the oldest centenarian) carries so when they feel sick anytime, anywhere, they can visit any doctor anywhere in Japan, whip out that card and seek treatment without the fear of going bankrupt. The reverse side of the card has that donor statement.
Whereas in the US, the health insurance companies rule the medical world, you pay a monthly fee as they steal your money, you can only go to select HMO/PPO providers, can't seek help when you want (head hurts: in Japan go to a doctor and get treated the same day: in the US, you need to call in advance and told that the next open appointment is three weeks from now LOL), and even after you seek treatment, you get screwed over by the insurance companies with an exorbiant test and lab fees ($500 for an ambulance ride, $700 for an EKG, $8000 for an MRI) and you end up wasting hours and hours on the phone talking to some douchebag in India or Pakistan with a thick English accent who probably barely has a high school degree holding all the almighty keyboard stroke to deny your claim at all costs.
Marcus H.
2010-05-31, 01:27
I'm not really gonna watch or is even interested to watch Little Busters for that comparison to matter anyway.
I really suspect that Yuri knows about what's going on. She knows that "NPCs" are programmed (and can be reprogrammed) to do something. And with the unexpected reinstatement of Kanade back to the Seitoukai, she would see Naoi as a suspect as he is the only one able to reprogram them to think that they are wrong (or Otonashi could have said the truth).
Either way, SSS is gonna get torn to two. Kanade, Otonashi and Naoi versus SSS shall ensue.
germanturkey
2010-05-31, 01:31
the first half the episode was stellar, but they dropped the ball at the end. it'll be interesting to see how they go about developing everyone with so few episodes left.
maplehurry
2010-05-31, 01:39
Unlike the US which has no social health care, everyone in Japan has health insurance provided by the government which is paid for by taxes. As such, that health insurance card is something that everyone (from the poorest anime industry slave worker to the richest conglomerate head of Toyota) carries so when they feel sick anytime, anywhere, they can visit any doctor anywhere in Japan, whip out that card and seek treatment without the fear of going bankrupt. The reverse side of the card has that donor statement.
Whereas in the US, the health insurance companies rule the medical world, you pay a monthly fee as they steal your money .....
Let's not get sidetracked with the 2nd paragraph here :heh:
I couldn't help but feel insulted by the second half of this episode. It felt like Kanade was personally insulting me when she iterated the extremely obvious reason that they were all there, and pointed out how it was so obvious. When she revealed the true reason for their being there, I had a similar reaction to when what's-his-name asked what he should put for Tenshi's name on her tests. Yet again, the anime presented something extremely obvious and then chastised me for not noticing it sooner. Curse you Angel Beats!
As for the first half, I can't help but feel that this anime has a very sick sense of humor. In some ways, it even puts Higurashi and its sickening story to shame. As it stood, Yuri's backstory was already practically an excerpt from the dreaded tales of Higurashi. Now they've presented us with Otonashi's backstory (part two) and the punch line is that he basically gets the big "F U". The moment the light shone my two favorite words for the next two minutes were "sick" and "twisted".
The biggest regret I have about putting off this episode is that Kanade is adorable. Otonashi and Kanade together are even better. :( I just wish she'd stroke my cheek. Does that sound desperate?
Edit: Since everyone is talking about health care, I think it would be really nice if the U.S. would eventually give us similar cards. The entire time I was watching that scene I was giving props to Japan (or the anime, if that was their own idea, which it seems to not be?) for having an option like that for people who are in similar situations or just have a change of heart.
Marcus H.
2010-05-31, 01:55
Well, we need to hear it straight from the horse Angel's mouth for confirmation.
As for the first half, I can't help but feel that this anime has a very sick sense of humor. In some ways, it even puts Higurashi and its sickening story to shame. As it stood, Yuri's backstory was already practically an excerpt from the dreaded tales of Higurashi. Now they've presented us with Otonashi's backstory (part two) and the punch line is that he basically gets the big "F U". The moment the light shone my two favorite words for the next two minutes were "sick" and "twisted".
As I said in this earlier post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3069719#post3069719), the part where rescue arriving right after he dropped was a bit too convenient, but this is a drama. Anime, but still drama, so you can't blame them for making it a bit (melo)dramatic. As long as the flow/execution is done well, nothing feels absurd about it. Haven't we seen enough shows these days trying to force a touching scene which ends up totally backfiring? Maeda and his crew managed to build up enough emotion in merely 11.5 minutes that leads to the moving signing scene. I'm far from a coldhearted person, but still I'm not that sentimental to be moved by some forced scene. After rewatching it a few times, I have to admit though the BGM played during that scene does help with the emotion. That's the merit of having a scriptwriter who is also an EXTREMELY talented music composer.
The biggest regret I have about putting off this episode is that Kanade is adorable. Otonashi and Kanade together are even better. :( I just wish she'd stroke my cheek. Does that sound desperate?
As I said before, waking up with her hand patting your head then caressing your face, anyone? :) And aren't you amazed how they always manage to find the right seiyuu for the character? The pureness in Hanazawa's voice just fits the scene (and of course the character nicked "Tenshi") way too well. When she called him "Yuduru", I thought I would melt if I were him. :heh:
Seitsuki
2010-05-31, 03:31
stupid Otonashi, stop with the 'wanting to help others' bullshit and hook up with her already.
and sweet dear Lord Key, GG. we know you're good at making sad stories that make even Stalin cry. don't rub it in our face ;_;
In some ways I do find Otonashi's plan of deception disturbing, but right from the start we knew that he was never really a member of the SSS. In episode 1 he tells us "Truthfully speaking, I haven't actually joined the battlefront", and that all he is doing is buying time to recover his memories. "After that... I don't know". Well, he has recovered his memories, and he does know what he wants to do now.
Except...
I just have a growing worry about the second half of his "death story". Was Naoi's hypnosis really unable to recover all of the memories? When Otonashi wakes up and we see Kanade stroking his head, has she actually been "reprogramming" him by feeding him false memories? Is she the White Witch to Otonashi's Edmund? And what exactly is that far-away expression on her face? Is it the aftermath of her internal struggles with the harmonic Tenshis, or is she just trying to look as innocent and appealing as possible as part of her act? Does she see Otonashi merely as the perfect tool to finally destroy the SSS - the "weakest link", as he describes himself in the first episode? And, going on from that, was it really a coincidence that he ended up with the pivotal mapo tofu meal ticket? The shameless shipper in me really wants this all to be untrue, so please, someone, tell me I'm overthinking it :help:
Marvx360x
2010-05-31, 05:16
Otonashi's death was sad:(
holyman282
2010-05-31, 05:21
man this ep was really really epic got me very teary eyed.
Also can someone tell me the name of the bg music that was playing at 20:02?
Also can someone tell me the name of the bg music that was playing at 20:02?
From what I've heard so far, all the BMGs used in this show should be composed originally for this show, so before 7/28 when the OST will be out, no one can really give any answer to BGM titles.
Eisdrache
2010-05-31, 05:27
I actually don't see any similarities between Otonashi and Tomoya.
The point was to save everyone from terror, there is no way they could kill all those clones so I don't know what exactly you were expecting from it.
Also that was not ridiculouse death, it does happen really often that people die right before getting saved.
stupid Otonashi, stop with the 'wanting to help others' bullshit and hook up with her already.
and sweet dear Lord Key, GG. we know you're good at making sad stories that make even Stalin cry. don't rub it in our face ;_;
wahahaha I love you soooo much for this comment Seitsuki.
1) The death was absolutely ridiculous. How extremely convenient of that rescue team to get there just as he is finally dying. Also if you don't mind show me at least 5 examples of people dying just before they are saved or stop making things up.
2) On a not so much related note, your flashing avatar/signature gives me eyecancer :(
3) The obvious similarity of Otonashi and Okazaki is their annoying LET'S MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE attitude which they will follow no matter how many problems they make worse, no matter how many people they trouble with it, no matter how often they have to shout at people they see for the first time in their life, no matter how many ridiculous plans they have to come up with that just work for the sake of the plot.
4) Kanade is cute in pyjamas.
edit:
5) Irie and Sekine still have no line at all. Not even a single word. At least Yusa said a few things. Does Hiruko still exist? I will rant about this as long as they don't have more screen time.
This is all.
OMG SHIINA SPOKE!!!
THIS MUST BE REALLY SERIOUS xD
kitten320
2010-05-31, 07:50
1) The death was absolutely ridiculous. How extremely convenient of that rescue team to get there just as he is finally dying. Also if you don't mind show me at least 5 examples of people dying just before they are saved or stop making things up.
2) On a not so much related note, your flashing avatar/signature gives me eyecancer :(
3) The obvious similarity of Otonashi and Okazaki is their annoying LET'S MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE attitude which they will follow no matter how many problems they make worse, no matter how many people they trouble with it, no matter how often they have to shout at people they see for the first time in their life, no matter how many ridiculous plans they have to come up with that just work for the sake of the plot.
1. And what's so suprising about it? Even if team did reach him, he would die anyway. You can't predict when rescue team will come and you can't keep yourself alive till then if your organism doesn't allow you that.
Do you think there are not enough cases when people die while waiting for ambulance to come? And it doesn't take so long for ambulance to come. Things like this don't get posted on internet. Besides Otinashi could have been dead right after signing the card, just because it fell out of his hands moments later doesn't mean that it was moment of his death what makes him die a bit earlier. Does that put you at ease?
EDIT: If those things are not good enough, then how about this... airplane crash! I'm sure you watch news and did hear about accidents when airplanes had exploded or crashed right before landing when they were just few meters away from ground. Yeh it isn't exactly same situation but look at it this way. What does landing mean? It means safety, that you won't fall and die. So basicly whenever you land, you get saved.
What means that if airplane suddenly explodes right before landing, everyone dies right before getting saved.
2. No one forces you to look at it.
3. I don't remember Tomoya doing any of that... Yeh he had helped Nagisa, what was quiet natural. He tried to help Kotomi with friends but he didn't really force her and she didn't seem to mind. Whom else did he hlp? Mei? Mei herself had asked for help. Covered for Tomoyo? See nothing outstanding here. Helped Yukine with the band fightings? It kinda got forced on him because of Sunohara's joke besides all his actions were always supported by someone else in the end.
What did Otinashi do? Got closer to Kanade? Normal person can't do that? Made Naoi a goodie? Well that might have been forced, so won't argue here? Wanting to help others to be happy? I doubt he will actually force them, just give an opportunity.
If anything Otonashi might be more forceful than Tomoya.
king12354
2010-05-31, 09:41
I thought Otonashi died in the train wreck last week. No use assuming he died at the end of this episode. It could have been something else.
LoweGear
2010-05-31, 12:27
1) The death was absolutely ridiculous. How extremely convenient of that rescue team to get there just as he is finally dying. Also if you don't mind show me at least 5 examples of people dying just before they are saved or stop making things up.
Coming from someone who has seen his mother working in hospital situations, a father in police duty, and a brother serving as an army lieutenant out hunting insurgents in the jungles of Basilan, professions where life and death are matters of everyday occurence, I find that comment offensive to those people who have died even under the care of the latest in equipment and techniques, let alone those who perish under less than ideal circumstances, such as those in the line of duty or the victims of actual natural or artificial calamities.
Death comes in many forms; quick but painless, slow and ardous, or gently fading away, but the one universal thing about death is that it will come, regardless of anything man does. Death will not wait for the rescuers to arrive and try to bring you back - when you die, then you just do. There is nothing unrealistic about rescuers arriving just at the moment of one's death; if anything, it's one of those tragedies that aren't shared yet experienced by many in the medical search and rescue profession. "I only we had gotten there sooner" are words of regret that many in such professions may not utter, but do suffer the pain of nonetheless.
Just 5 examples? Try thousands.
3) The obvious similarity of Otonashi and Okazaki is their annoying LET'S MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE attitude which they will follow no matter how many problems they make worse, no matter how many people they trouble with it, no matter how often they have to shout at people they see for the first time in their life, no matter how many ridiculous plans they have to come up with that just work for the sake of the plotl.
Okazaki was a different character. He just wanted to help his friends. Anyone else would do that. Plus it was a Visual Novel so if you consider every girl a seperate storyline then he's actually just saving one girl because he loves her. Anyway, Okazaki never actively tried to find the problems in the first place. The problems always came to him. Plus if did have the need of helping others it was only to get away from his crappy life, in contrast to Otonashi who wanted to save others because he felt helpless when he was unable to save his sister and didn't want to experience that again. Different motivations.
For a Key sob story, I don't think Otonashi's death was that ridiculous. That's actually how humans work. For example, soldiers on the front lines sometimes keep fighting for days with fatal wounds, not even feeling pain. But as soon as they were taken to the infirmary and relaxed a bit, they would die from the shock. Obviously these days they would get the adrenaline treatment and all to keep that from happening.
That is, if he did really die there...dun dun dunnn!
Knightrunner
2010-05-31, 12:54
Coming from someone who has seen his mother working in hospital situations, a father in police duty, and a brother serving as an army lieutenant out hunting insurgents in the jungles of Basilan, professions where life and death are matters of everyday occurence, I find that comment offensive to those people who have died even under the care of the latest in equipment and techniques, let alone those who perish under less than ideal circumstances, such as those in the line of duty or the victims of actual natural or artificial calamities.
Death comes in many forms; quick but painless, slow and ardous, or gently fading away, but the one universal thing about death is that it will come, regardless of anything man does. Death will not wait for the rescuers to arrive and try to bring you back - when you die, then you just do. There is nothing unrealistic about rescuers arriving just at the moment of one's death; if anything, it's one of those tragedies that aren't shared yet experienced by many in the medical search and rescue profession. "I only we had gotten there sooner" are words of regret that many in such professions may not utter, but do suffer the pain of nonetheless.
Just 5 examples? Try thousands.
I really agree with this post :) It is extremely despairing when a life is wasted and it is only after that fact a person can figure out a way to prevent it.
kitten320
2010-05-31, 13:10
Actually now that I think about it... the reason why Otonashi didn't dissapear might also be because he really didn't die yet and that there is still something left to remeber.
Don't put too much hope in this theory but who knows.
Eater of All
2010-05-31, 14:03
I just have a growing worry about the second half of his "death story". Was Naoi's hypnosis really unable to recover all of the memories? When Otonashi wakes up and we see Kanade stroking his head, has she actually been "reprogramming" him by feeding him false memories? Is she the White Witch to Otonashi's Edmund? And what exactly is that far-away expression on her face? Is it the aftermath of her internal struggles with the harmonic Tenshis, or is she just trying to look as innocent and appealing as possible as part of her act? Does she see Otonashi merely as the perfect tool to finally destroy the SSS - the "weakest link", as he describes himself in the first episode? And, going on from that, was it really a coincidence that he ended up with the pivotal mapo tofu meal ticket? The shameless shipper in me really wants this all to be untrue, so please, someone, tell me I'm overthinking it :help:
Now that's a conspiracy theory worthy of the Conspiracy Theories Hall of Fame if I've ever seen one. Considering Angel Beats' presentation so far however, the story doesn't seem willing to delve into anything too convoluted, preferring to keep its parts somewhat simplistic for the audience. Aspects that can be potentially puzzling for us - the floating binary numbers, Angel Player, object construction, etc - were simply glossed over and never explained fully. Heck, even its world setting which we've been speculating on since who-knows-when is revealed to be nothing more than the most basic premise, that of an afterlife where you sort out your regrets in the past life. I doubt Angel Beats will suddenly take such a huge turn into Conspiracy-ville this late in the story.
So yes, you're overthinking it. :heh:
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