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He probably already knows an indefinite amount - Isley most likely taught him quite a bit about the Organization and what is common knowledge to the warriors and us.
Well, Raki knew exactly when to defend and with what, when he was fighting that yoma back in Rabona alongside Prissy that is. And he knew exactly when to attack and where to cut to be precise. No doubt that these trends were taught to him by the man, Isley that is. Which is why, I do agree, so much with Shieky, on this particular point.:)
evil_kenshin
2010-07-08, 10:43
Well, Raki knew exactly when to defend and with what, when he was fighting that yoma back in Rabona alongside Prissy that is. And he knew exactly when to attack and where to cut to be precise. No doubt that these trends were taught to him by the man, Isley that is. Which is why, I do agree, so much with Shieky, on this particular point.:)
not Rabona lol in Doga :heh: (had a good laugh due to the claymore volume 16 which I finally have bought which made a similar mistake done by the translators except in a different town)
not Rabona lol in Doga :heh: (had a good laugh due to the claymore volume 16 which I finally have bought which made a similar mistake done by the translators except in a different town)
And I do agree with you as well, evil twin of kenshin:), that Clare also did teach Raki a thing or two. You have no idea how easy it is to make silly similar mistakes like mixing up names e k. Thanks for correcting it though.:)
evil_kenshin
2010-07-08, 10:53
And do agree with you as well, evil twin of kenshin:), that Clare also did teach Raki a thing or two. You have no idea how easy it is to make silly similar mistakes like that all the time e k. Thanks for correcting it though.:)
sorry I know its easy to make mistakes :heh: Just found it funny I was annoyed about how the official manga has that error earlier today (though Rubel calls the town he reunites with Clare in Rabona) then I see it online too :p
sorry I know its easy to make mistakes :heh: Just found it funny I was annoyed about how the official manga has that error earlier today (though Rubel calls the town he reunites with Clare in Rabona) then I see it online too :p
No need to be sorry e k, I'm honored to be corrected by someone as dedicated as you.:D Come to think of it, like you said, the official manga should not have mistakes like that now shouldn't it.:)
evil_kenshin
2010-07-08, 11:02
No need to be sorry e k, I'm honored to be corrected by someone as dedicated as you.:D Come to think of it, like you said, the official manga should not have mistakes like that now shouldn't it.:)
lets form a angry mob against Viz for this outrage :p
lets form a angry mob against Viz for this outrage :p
That's an excellent idea, we probably should get Ryus and Sheik to join in too.:)
DragoZERO
2010-07-08, 11:21
Well, Raki knew exactly when to defend and with what, when he was fighting that yoma back in Rabona alongside Prissy that is. And he knew exactly when to attack and where to cut to be precise. No doubt that these trends were taught to him by the man, Isley that is. Which is why, I do agree, so much with Shieky, on this particular point.:)
But how much did Isley know? I doubt he knew about the true purpose of the Organization and that the entire island is an experiment.
What did Viz screw up exactly??
evil_kenshin
2010-07-08, 11:25
But how much did Isley know? I doubt he knew about the true purpose of the Organization and that the entire island is an experiment.
What did Viz screw up exactly??
Isley most likely would of known the most due to the Island was only starting up then (so things like yoma would be new as would the island and there would still be people that knew that they had been moved somewhere)
having Rubel call the town he re-encountered Clare in (when clare cynthia and yuma were fighting together) Rabona is just one of the mistakes viz made lol
Shiek927
2010-07-08, 11:29
But how much did Isley know? I doubt he knew about the true purpose of the Organization and that the entire island is an experiment.
What did Viz screw up exactly??
That's actually quite debatable....for all we know, he may have even been sent to the mainland.
One thing is for sure about Isley: he is a strategist, and wants people to know what he wants them to know. He is intelligent, methodical....we can only guess what he truly knew.
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That's my problem with Elena; yes I am aware she is a plot-device, but at the same time, she was Claire's friend....their's something about having that significance that makes her both totally forgettable, and unforgettable. For all we know, Elena could have been the closest to her after Teresa, and before Raki....she could have been closer to then all the Ghosts.
The other problem is that Claymore really isn't supposed to have plot-devices; while Yagi has goofed on that part recently(Zombie-Dauf), for the most part, their are no "one-shot" characters, but Elena fills that role. She contradicts one of the story's main positive attributes, and it wouldn't be such a big deal if she didn't have the understated important role of being Claire's friend.
It's nothing crazy: put her in the next Extra Chapter, bring her up in the next databook....Yagi should do something to remind himself and us that she actually existed.
But how much did Isley know? I doubt he knew about the true purpose of the Organization and that the entire island is an experiment.
What did Viz screw up exactly??
I think that it is very much debatable, that how much Isley knew about the Org and island experiments. I would say that he knew enough to act upon, given the circumstances. And he made a wise and good decision in the end.:)
As far as Viz is concerned, screw them all over again.:)
DragoZERO
2010-07-08, 12:04
I don't think a single post of mine has ever been quoted that much before. :cool:
It is true that we don't know, but if he knew the truth then you can say his move against the Organization was in the best interests of the island, there by adding to the argument over what an AB is.
And I haven't caught many mistake by Viz with regards to Claymore...but they really do suck so it doesn't surprise me.
Shiek927
2010-07-08, 13:00
It is true that we don't know, but if he knew the truth then you can say his move against the Organization was in the best interests of the island, there by adding to the argument over what an AB is.
Hah, that's true; whether explicably, or inexplicibly, it would have helped the island...but by what degree? Isley made it clear how strongly he wanted dominion. I doubt any of the islanders would have led a life of peace with him as ruler.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-08, 21:25
Hah, that's true; whether explicably, or inexplicibly, it would have helped the island...but by what degree? Isley made it clear how strongly he wanted dominion. I doubt any of the islanders would have led a life of peace with him as ruler.
It depends it seemed heavily implied that he was still not eating as much as he used to after Raki & Priscilla were chased off.
While it wouldn't be perfect, it would be better one AB with a slight hunger & some level of respect for humans (or atleast Raki) than dozens of rampant AB's & yoma (Isley would of killed them as their competition for food) rampaging over the island
lets form a angry mob against Viz for this outrage :p
Careful - that could be a hate post... people neg rep for that :p
Count me in though - I'm still upset of their treatment of Galatea-sama Annunciations in volume 8.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-08, 23:51
Careful - that could be a hate post... people neg rep for that :p
Count me in though - I'm still upset of their treatment of Galatea-sama Annunciations in volume 8.
lol then we have a common enemy :p (will give u a pos rep when I can rep you again to make up for before)
The weird thing is though I haven't noticed such careless translations in some of the other Viz's manga I buy. Rosario + Vampire II has been pretty much perfect (though I've noticed some slight censoring in panty shots but that's a different story :heh: )
SagaraSouske
2010-07-09, 00:02
Recent developments are starting to make less and less sense. I am not sure which direction Yagi sensai is taking the series to. Things left unexplained is getting piled up more and more. I do hope he thought out the entire story arc with a good rationale and solid background details that explains what is happening rather then just letting his imagination run wild.
Isley exited the story to introduce the AEs and they went no where real fast.
Riful/Alicia/Beth was much of the story's focus 7 years ago and they became fodders to introduce Priscilla back into the game again.
Clare and destroyer interaction and this chapter's development seem oddly out of place even for what awakened beings are capable of. It was a lot more interesting when it was Claymores vs ABs.
having Rubel call the town he re-encountered Clare in (when clare cynthia and yuma were fighting together) Rabona is just one of the mistakes viz made lol
When I picked up volume 16 at the store I of course, being as impatient as I am, was flipping through the volume and being on the first page. I actually scream "F***ing VIZ!" in the middle of the bookstore when I saw that. Needless to say everyone just turned and stared at me... :heh:
All I could think to say was "Sorry, I'm on page 1 and I already spotted a major translation error." http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a311/SanativeStigma/sweatdrop.gif
Only to hear a very little girl say "but Mommy... He's lying! I saw him, reading the back of the book... first." Then I heard the mother snickering...
Needless to say I could barley stop myself from laughing and was in a good mood again. So I couldn't bring myself to correct them... http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/animesweat.gif Let the kid think I spoiled the story for myself or something (likely the mother too). Though if memory serves I did semi-rant while also giving others a heads up about it to you all when I got home. :p
Careful - that could be a hate post... people neg rep for that :p
Count me in though - I'm still upset of their treatment of Galatea-sama Annunciations in volume 8.
I can't even read Japanese yet even I know how many times they really messed up. Count me in!
You referring to all the times they killed her punch lines? The such as the whole "I really envy you for a brain with such a lively metabolism..." to "it must be nice to have a brain that regenerates" (implying Dauf shall return... :p:upset::p) Even I, when reading it online for the first time after reading the viz version was like Wow! That makes so much more sense!.
You referring to all the times they killed her punch lines? The such as the whole "I really envy you for a brain with such a lively metabolism..." to "it must be nice to have a brain that regenerates" (implying Dauf shall return... :p:upset::p) Even I, when reading it online for the first time after reading the viz version was like Wow! That makes so much more sense!.
Indeed that is the crowning jewel of their transgressions, but there were plenty of others.
In general though it was terribly dumbed down - words like metabolism were clear and unmistakable for anything else in the orginal - and were removed for no other reason than Viz feared that some percentage of their audience might have an understanding similar to that of Duff's. Most of Galatea-sama's lines were given this treatment, and a a result, instead of sounding aloof, mischievious and witty, she came out as plain, slightly conceited and illogical.
Riful was also a victim. Riful speaks in a manner that matches her appearance. Even when offering offering torture and death, she sounds merely like a child trying to renegotiate curfew with her parents in order to be allowed to saty up to watch a tv show. The whole "let's be friends" and "friends being wonderful" comments were translated in such a way that they fell flat. Riful only ever talks serious when in AB mode or when making a dramtic declaration like mentioning Priscilla. The Viz translation utterly neglected this (and please note: if my level of japanese can pick this up and their translators cannot, then they are in serious trouble, and those translators must immediately be fired).
(and please note: if my level of japanese can pick this up and their translators cannot, then they are in serious trouble, and those translators must immediately be fired).
hm why don't you forward them this post and apply for the job? maybe take weils and gernot aboard too and all the world will be happy :heh:
DragoZERO
2010-07-09, 06:07
It's sad that people get paid to do that. And they wonder why people don't buy manga and anime. I just bought NGE and the there are so many careless mistakes. The episode titles in the episode don't match the box. Tsk...tsk.
Can someone tell me when is chapter 106 coming out or if it;s already out from where can i read it
evil_kenshin
2010-07-09, 07:45
Can someone tell me when is chapter 106 coming out or if it;s already out from where can i read it
chapters come out once a month, so next chapter should be out roughly around august 3rd
chapters come out once a month, so next chapter should be out roughly around august 3rd
Quite a big wait, but as always, will have to do.:)
Shiek927
2010-07-09, 11:57
Only to hear a very little girl say "but Mommy... He's lying! I saw him, reading the back of the book... first." Then I heard the mother snickering...
Needless to say I could barley stop myself from laughing and was in a good mood again. So I couldn't bring myself to correct them... Let the kid think I spoiled the story for myself or something (likely the mother too). Though if memory serves I did semi-rant while also giving others a heads up about it to you all when I got home.
:heh:, Poor girl, I'm just like her - It's rare for me to actually see someone reading japanese mangas in real life, and I'd be just as confused. Reading right-to-left feels so...unnatural :heh:.
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Sagara, we can only trust Yagi knows what he's doing; I can understand the feeing, especially when so many characters have been killed off in a relatively short time. I remember, only a few chapters ago, we were all so 100% sure that Alicia would join Riful and it really felt like it was being set up that way too. It's amazing the direction the manga has gone into.
In a way, it's not a bad thing, because it's more fun when things don't go the way we predict.
:heh:, Poor girl, I'm just like her - It's rare for me to actually see someone reading japanese mangas in real life, and I'd be just as confused. Reading right-to-left feels so...unnatural :heh:.
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Sagara, we can only trust Yagi knows what he's doing; I can understand the feeing, especially when so many characters have been killed off in a relatively short time. I remember, only a few chapters ago, we were all so 100% sure that Alicia would join Riful and it really felt like it was being set up that way too. It's amazing the direction the manga has gone into.
In a way, it's not a bad thing, because it's more fun when things don't go the way we predict.
I know what you mean, 15 chapters ago I wanted Clare and Raphaela to join forces :D... then they didn't http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/wth.png... and now they have :upset::uhoh::upset:.
As to reading backwards... well it must have effected me since I picked up Witchblade (after seeing that hot image in the image thread) and only glanced at it but I almost started in the back first but caught myself before I did but I did read the first few pages right to left and wondered why it seemed to make no sense. Think I'll finish Vinland Saga before I really get into Witchblade though...
I've never made this mistake in a non graphic book but apparently reading Claymore has warped my fragile little mind with graphic novels. :heh: For example I've lost track of how many times have I looked at a joke Claymore comic (fan made) and instinctively attempted the right to left read only to realize the creator of the comic must not be from a right to left culture and wrote it left to right. :eyespin:
I got my issue of JumpSQ today (finally)... and found something interesting.
There is a 7-page interview with Yagi-sensei.
It's a gigantic amount of text, so it's going to be a nightmare to translate, but I'll see what I can do.
Shiek927
2010-07-09, 21:28
I got my issue of JumpSQ today (finally)... and found something interesting.
There is a 7-page interview with Yagi-sensei.
It's a gigantic amount of text, so it's going to be a nightmare to translate, but I'll see what I can do.
I don't even want to begin to question how this was unknown up till now :twitch::twitch::twitch:.
Any pictures of him perhaps? :p
No - not of him.
There seems to be a picture of some of his Xbox game collection, and he has a few of the bust figures - Miria is fully visible, and I think, Deneve's sword is also showing.
@Solace:
Are there any problems with posting pictures of the interview (how about transcriptions and/or translations)? Afterall, it's unlikely the interview will ever be translated by Viz or in any official English speaking publication...
Shiek927
2010-07-09, 23:18
No - not of him.
There seems to be a picture of some of his Xbox game collection, and he has a few of the bust figures - Miria is fully visible, and I think, Deneve's sword is also showing.
............ROFLMAO :heh:
Well, that's erm....good to know. Maybe I can catch him on Xbox Live :heh:
He does this on purpose, just like that pumpkin picture :heh:, he knows the whole world wants to see what he looks like :heh:.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-10, 06:19
............ROFLMAO :heh:
Well, that's erm....good to know. Maybe I can catch him on Xbox Live :heh:
He does this on purpose, just like that pumpkin picture :heh:, he knows the whole world wants to see what he looks like :heh:.
while this was about 2-3 years ago I'm pretty sure there was a photo of him posted once (on the narutofan forums a user found it & a biography of him)
............ROFLMAO :heh:
Well, that's erm....good to know. Maybe I can catch him on Xbox Live :heh:
Really, you can do that.:)
I got my issue of JumpSQ today (finally)... and found something interesting.
There is a 7-page interview with Yagi-sensei.
It's a gigantic amount of text, so it's going to be a nightmare to translate, but I'll see what I can do.
I'll wait expecting nothing. :p
No - not of him.
There seems to be a picture of some of his Xbox game collection, and he has a few of the bust figures - Miria is fully visible, and I think, Deneve's sword is also showing.
@Solace:
Are there any problems with posting pictures of the interview (how about transcriptions and/or translations)? Afterall, it's unlikely the interview will ever be translated by Viz or in any official English speaking publication...
Another reason to love Yagi! He's an X-Box fan... I would have expected him to be a PS3 user since it sells so much more in Japan.
@Solace if you say no... I'll be very sad http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/cryinganime.gif
Actually - on closer inspection, there are not only xbox 360 games, but ps3 and wii games too
I just noticed the xbox ones first - my bad.
It also has a picture of his personal library.
Actually - on closer inspection, there are not only xbox 360 games, but ps3 and wii games too
I just noticed the xbox ones first - my bad.
It also has a picture of his personal library.
Suppose I can't complain... I own those other consoles too. :heh: One's my bluray player and the other is a paper weight. :heh:
OOOOooo Library! :D
I wonder if he owns more books than me... :p Though I had to get rid of half of them when I moved :( Out of curiosity... How much is manga and how much isn't?
Negativedark
2010-07-10, 14:58
Please let's not start a console war, LOL. Though I do hope InFamous 2 will get an XBox version.
Shiek927
2010-07-10, 16:05
....We really need to get back to talking about Chapter 105 :heh:, it feels like ages since we talked about it and it hasn't actually been that long :heh:.
I swear, after the second day, discussion just poofed and vanished along with everyone else :heh:.
DragoZERO
2010-07-10, 16:51
....We really need to get back to talking about Chapter 105 :heh:, it feels like ages since we talked about it and it hasn't actually been that long :heh:.
I swear, after the second day, discussion just poofed and vanished along with everyone else :heh:.
There wasn't much to talk about - that's why.
Shiek927
2010-07-10, 17:09
There wasn't much to talk about - that's why.
You kidding? We were all banging our heads over who the three faces were, what Claire was going to do and thinking....
At the very least, it's more on-topic then talking about Yagi's video game consoles :heh:
DragoZERO
2010-07-10, 17:33
You kidding? We were all banging our heads over who the three faces were, what Claire was going to do and thinking....
At the very least, it's more on-topic then talking about Yagi's video game consoles :heh:
Okay, we talked all about what there was to talk about.
FormerAbyssalone
2010-07-10, 20:03
Wait so there is a interview with Yagi out there!!! Wha about a pic?:D:)
Anyway:Will Clare have an awakend form now that she is apart of the Destroyer?:eyebrow:^^
Wait so there is a interview with Yagi out there!!! Wha about a pic?:D:)
Anyway:Will Clare have an awakend form now that she is apart of the Destroyer?:eyebrow:^^ You mean ypu believe she isn't already in it? :p
I wonder if the new form of Raciella + Clare can shapeshift... turning into Teresa would freak Priscilla out. :D
FormerAbyssalone
2010-07-10, 20:30
You mean ypu believe she isn't already in it? :p
Well I kinda figured it would've been more complex, than the massive blob form.;)
BTW: I know its an old discussion but after looking at the color pic. I do see Teresa in one of the faces.:0
DragoZERO
2010-07-10, 22:19
Well I kinda figured it would've been more complex, than the massive blob form.;)
BTW: I know its an old discussion but after looking at the color pic. I do see Teresa in one of the faces.:0
No. It's Luciela, Raphaela, and Clare.
/prepares for onslaught. http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs13/f/2006/363/9/c/War_scream_by_the_ace_chef.gif
Shiek927
2010-07-10, 23:10
No. It's Luciela, Raphaela, and Clare.
/prepares for onslaught. http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs13/f/2006/363/9/c/War_scream_by_the_ace_chef.gif
:heh:, suddenly we got things to talk about, eh DragoZero? :p
On another note, what do you think are the odds that Raciella's rods have reached as far as Staff HQ?
What a nightmare scenario 0_0. The heads may or may not escape, but the trainees will get butchered. We do know that the Rods are fast enough to launch all over the West, which is pretty huge all things consdiered.
No. It's Luciela, Raphaela, and Clare.
/prepares for onslaught. http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs13/f/2006/363/9/c/War_scream_by_the_ace_chef.gif
Everyone here knows I believe that's not the case and I see Clare, Teresa, and Ophelia (from right to left). So I won't color it in again for you all :p
Though if we battle gun bests knight armor and spear. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/112hqmv.pnghttp://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/gun.png
:heh:, suddenly we got things to talk about, eh DragoZero? :p
On another note, what do you think are the odds that Raciella's rods have reached as far as Staff HQ?
What a nightmare scenario 0_0. The heads may or may not escape, but the trainees will get butchered. We do know that the Rods are fast enough to launch all over the West, which is pretty huge all things consdiered.
If they reached that far it truely explains why Miria and gang have yet to show. They're saving Rabona from the hellcats and any fellow ghosts who where hit and turned. What if it's Miata? http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a311/SanativeStigma/iik.gif Would she just kill everything in sight or attack the holy water? :p
Shiek927
2010-07-11, 00:02
That's actually a very good theory Ryus.
What is, after all, the likelihood that Rabona has been assaulted by the Hellcats?
And with more then half the Ghosts missing, Rabona may well fall...perhaps the Rabona Ghosts have been guiding the survivors to safety, where-ever that may be.
That's actually a very good theory Ryus.
What is, after all, the likelihood that Rabona has been assaulted by the Hellcats?
And with more then half the Ghosts missing, Rabona may well fall...perhaps the Rabona Ghosts have been guiding the survivors to safety, where-ever that may be.
I see 3 real possibilities (at the moment... kinda tired and not putting much effort into this as a result)
A) Hellcats hit Rabona and the missing ghosts are stuck there defending the city... just think of how hard it would be for them to kill infected civilians
B) They went East to take this opportunity of Alicia and Beth not being at the org to do some investigating and/or defeating the MiB... Which likely should fail or what was the point of Dae gaining control of Raki
C) They running late for whatever reason and are heading west to backup there comrades... aka Yagi wanted them to be fresh and ready for battle when the Clare vs Priscilla fight draws to a conclusion and not be too weak for battle like Helen/Deneve/Cynthia/Yuma/Dietrich
A few unlikely possibilities but still possible
A) the org attacked Rabona and they are defending the city
B) Rubel has made his move in the East (aka the Dragonkin are already here)
C) Raki awakened and is recking havoc in there area
D) They sensed Raki and went to investigate this new strange reading
E) They're just like Clare/Helen/Deneve fighting off the waves of Hellcats to prevent them from spreading (since the second wave should still be alive in many areas... the AF's where only in a small area to one direction form the Destroyer and she did a 360 barrage)
F) They're evacuating towns people and getting them out of the West.
Here are the pics of the of Yagi's library and game collection. Pardon the shaky hand.
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/479/booksx.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5310/gamestv.jpg
Those are nice @e_k, and believe it or not, those are the best most recent PS3 games that I have played. That being Biyyoneta, Resident Evil 5 and the one and only God of War 3.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-11, 05:48
Those are nice @e_k, and believe it or not, those are the best most recent PS3 games that I have played. That being Biyyoneta, Resident Evil 5 and the one and only God of War 3.
i think you mean cyclone :heh:
unless you mean my sig which is a different story :)
I've put those 3 (finished GoW 1 but gotta do my 5 hour run though) in my sig on hold focusing on resistance 2 for awhile (so darn close to my 10000 kills trophy and my level 30 trophy which means my first platinum will have it by the end of this week)
haven't played the 3 you mentioned yet unfortunately, though will buy God of War 3 after finishing 2
@ ryus post back last page: damn, I didn't even think of the possibility of the rods shooting all over the place ... rabona, org HQ ... this could get rather nasty :heh:
though I'd rather see Miria infiltrating the Org's HQ if she doesn't show at the scene of the fight ...I rly wanna know what those little blackclad pests are up to with poor raki ...
evil_kenshin
2010-07-11, 11:09
@ ryus post back last page: damn, I didn't even think of the possibility of the rods shooting all over the place ... rabona, org HQ ... this could get rather nasty :heh:
though I'd rather see Miria infiltrating the Org's HQ if she doesn't show at the scene of the fight ...I rly wanna know what those little blackclad pests are up to with poor raki ...
I think after dietrich's revelation about the AF's (the way Miria was shocked at the org having something that could take down an Abyssal One) that we will still see Miria in Rabona though i'm too curious about whats happening with Raki.
if Miria does go anyway in my view it would be a big mistake with most of her forces away.
Negativedark
2010-07-11, 12:11
A few things depend on the range of the large spears. We don't know if they reached all the way to Rabona, much less Staffu. Miria and Co may simply have been slowed down by having to slog through hellcats. Actually I don't think the big rods would have had an easy time hitting the missing charecters. Claire was able to tell Helen and Deneve where to stand to avoid bieng hit, and with Both Tabitha and Galetea, the big ones wouldn't have had a chance of hitting. The small rods the Hellcats shoot out as a counter are more dangerous, especially to Clarice, cause she's slower, and Miata due to her berserker nature.
Shiek927
2010-07-11, 12:13
I just don't believe that Miria and the others have been sipping tea while all this is going on; Galatea sensed Alicia and Beth launching from the East, so their is no way she has missed all the excitement happening in the West.
So if Rabona was assaulted, it would make perfect sense while they've been away; and tacking onto one of Ryus' theory, they could have easily come across Raki's caravan. It would be a little too convenient if they passed all the way to Staff HQ without encountering any sort of threat.
:confused: Was it me who came up with all these theories? I seem to recall us debating Rabona being hit since ch 95 and Raki being saved since ch 96... maybe I'm going a little mad... :p not sure I can take the credit... :/
Then again I do post a lot of theories :heh:
As to the massive rod hitting a ghost the odds are slim.... though them being hit by the smaller rods is much higher.... especially for the nonsensors being hit on their first encounter with the hellcats.
Shiek927
2010-07-11, 12:54
As to the massive rod hitting a ghost the odds are slim
Need I remind you that one hit Beth? :p
The odds are just as high I imagine.
I just don't believe that Miria and the others have been sipping tea while all this is going on; Galatea sensed Alicia and Beth launching from the East, so their is no way she has missed all the excitement happening in the West.
Entirely agree with you, they must be on the move.:)
MalakTawus
2010-07-11, 16:18
Need I remind you that one hit Beth?
The odds are just as high I imagine.
Statistically it's almost impossible for the other ghosts to be hitten by the rods since they are too far.
Anyway,if you were Miria and your main objective is to fight the org,would you really go in that hell knowing that there is nothing that you can do?
Even if it's a bit sad,it wouldn't be a wise move to go too near to that battle.
Imo even the other ghosts should go back to Rabona as fast as possible,Claire the destroyer VS Priscilla is a scenario too dangerous,if they satay there they have nothing to gain and A LOT to lose.
Also there is nothing that they can do for Claire atm,only Claire can save herself now.
Shiek927
2010-07-11, 16:35
Statistically it's almost impossible for the other ghosts to be hitten by the rods since they are too far.
Anyway,if you were Miria and your main objective is to fight the org,would you really go in that hell knowing that there is nothing that you can do?
Even if it's a bit sad,it wouldn't be a wise move to go too near to that battle.
Imo even the other ghosts should go back to Rabona as fast as possible,Claire the destroyer VS Priscilla is a scenario too dangerous,if they satay there they have nothing to gain and A LOT to lose.
Also there is nothing that they can do for Claire atm,only Claire can save herself now.
I just don't agree - they don't know what's going on, which is the perfect reason why they should go. The Ghosts are small group, and the loss of any one soldier is a devastating blow; not just to their war-effort, but the loss of a friend.
Miria is never callous or sacrificial in her tactics, unlike Isley; like in Pieta, she always looks for a way to save everyone, and she would never sit back and just let events continue as they are.
I don't really think a rod can hit any of the ghosts. Yuma managed to avoid them :p . And as it was already mentioned Galatea is with them which kind of makes it imposible for them to get hit imo. Even if there are any hellcats in Rabona Miria and Galatea alone could take them without a problem. Now if Miata got taken over by hellcats that would be another story but I doubt that's the case. ( It might go like this - Prissy dies, evil organization clone of Teresa aka. Miata goes on a rampage after being hit by a rod, Clare has to face evil Teresa >.< No one would like that right? :heh: )
Another thing to consider is that the rods seemed to be trageted at yoki since the always hit around Claymores ABs AEs/AFs etc. There weren't any hellcats near the destroyer and if they were lounched randomly there should have been at least some there as well. Rabona should be too far away for it to be targeted by the rods. Why I think that - well before dee found the AFs/AEs she was alone. She was closer than Rabona so she should ahve been targeted by the rods. She was all alone so she should have been qutie exausted after that fight and yet she looker ok later which would imply that she didn't meet resistence until the time she met the AFs. Of course I might be wrong but we'll have to wait and see...
And Beth was hit because she couldn't really release yoki or she would have distrubed the Soul link. In other words she was really slow comapred to the other characters at that time (except for Dauf) , I would imagine she couldn't really read the flow fo yoki while focusing so much on the soul link and she was out in the open fighting and taken by surprise. The ghost are in a city and are not fighting thus they aren't distracted by an oponent's movements and attacks.
Also Miria might not be there because she has no idea that Clare is there in the first place. Sure that's the general direction they went in and they also have ifnformation form Dee, but Miria sent Yuma and Cynthia so that Clare doesn't do something stupid. Guess you could say that if something really powerfull appears and the Mibs are after Riful and it's all happening around Clare, if she doesn't want to let anyone get killed, she should avoid combat at any cost and return to Rabona to regroup with the reast of the team. That's the logical line of thoughts.
Of course there is the factor of Clare being Clare might jump right in but as I said that's why Miria left prety much the weakes one of the ghosts in her care. Form here on Miria has a really hard decission to make - go after Clare or stay in rabona. Both could either save everyone or get everyone killed. Why? Simple - first if Clare didn indeed got involved in te fight Miria's support at that moment would be invaluable. However if Clare actually followed what Miria said she should be getting back to Rabona, and if they are hurt and there is no one left in Rabona because Miria went searching for them things could get really bad as well. Spliiting up the rest of the team again would be completely insane so it's really hard to figure what to do next. Oh and there's alos the danger of the Ghosts in Rabona getting intercepted by the Claymores or AFs (which can take down an AO ) which makes the choice even harder.
Thre's also the question form the last few pages- how much did Isley know but that's really hard to answer since we don't have many clues.
@Cyclone: I'll be looking forward to the translation :)
@Ryus: Haha that story about the little girl and the new volume of Claymore was so funny :heh::heh: Thanks for sharing it - it really made me laugh
Shiek927
2010-07-11, 18:46
It might go like this - Prissy dies, evil organization clone of Teresa aka. Miata goes on a rampage after being hit by a rod, Clare has to face evil Teresa >.< No one would like that right
Roflmao, no, that sounds pretty bad :heh:. How is Miata a evil Teresa clone anyway? :heh:
I don't believe the Rods target yoki; 90% of the Rods go in completely random directions. The one that landed on that guy's roof for example couldn't have possibly have been targetting yoki because Priscilla was fully-suppressed(unless their sensing is that good, which would make the best in the series)...
Unless the Rods themselves are targetting normal yoma as well, which might explain why they seemingly fling in different directions, though I doubt that's correct either.
I simply don't understand how it's logical or sensible for Miria to stay behind in Rabona; it just seems silly to me. Even if the Ghosts were to all get split up, they know Rabona is where to meet up: it's not like Miria has to wait there too. Putting aside Claire, because she doesn't know her current situation, she could at least get to the others who also in need of help, and not in such a precarious situation.
The best and only excuse I can think of, is if Rabona were under siege, in which case she's obviously busy.
@Solace:
Are there any problems with posting pictures of the interview (how about transcriptions and/or translations)? Afterall, it's unlikely the interview will ever be translated by Viz or in any official English speaking publication...
I'm cool with it. If you're going to post any large images use thumbnails though. It's not something we'll ever see licensed and translated so if you (or others) are up to the task of translating the interview feel free to post it here.
yeeeehaw :D :heh: :D
All hail Solace !!!
All hail Cyclone!!!
thx to both of ya :heh:
Excellent - I'll make some better quality photos tomorrow (don't have a scanner handy) and post them.
MalakTawus
2010-07-12, 03:01
I simply don't understand how it's logical or sensible for Miria to stay behind in Rabona; it just seems silly to me. Even if the Ghosts were to all get split up, they know Rabona is where to meet up: it's not like Miria has to wait there too. Putting aside Claire, because she doesn't know her current situation, she could at least get to the others who also in need of help, and not in such a precarious situation.
No,staying in Rabona is obviously the most logical decision (i'm not saying that's what Miria will do).
With Galatea there Miria doesn't need to go in hell to know the actual situation (all the ghosts now have released yoki).
The other ghosts are alive and somehow out of danger so they can escape easily if they want,Miria going there would just put the other ghosts in danger since Galatea has probably warned her that going near the destroyer is the most stupid thing that she can do.
The only reason that Deneve and Helen decided to go near the destroyer was because they had to escape from Priscilla,if not they would NEVER go there,probably the only crazy enough to do something like that would be Claire.
If Miria wants to do something more meaningful she should kill the hellcats around her area to save a lot of people lives.
Roflmao, no, that sounds pretty bad :heh:. How is Miata a evil Teresa clone anyway? :heh:
Well she could be...if things go in that direction that is :heh: See the MiBs have part os Teresa's head and we've seen them do all kinds of crazy things so.. :heh:
Though I came up with the clone part to make it sound more random and funny :p
I don't believe the Rods target yoki; 90% of the Rods go in completely random directions. The one that landed on that guy's roof for example couldn't have possibly have been targetting yoki because Priscilla was fully-suppressed(unless their sensing is that good, which would make the best in the series)...
Unless the Rods themselves are targetting normal yoma as well, which might explain why they seemingly fling in different directions, though I doubt that's correct either.
You do have a point there but except for that town the rods allways hit something near a Claymore or an AB - first barrage most of the rods were fired on the big plain where Clare, Deneve, Helen ,Riful, Alicia, Beth, Dauf, Yuma and Cynthia were. When Riful and Dauf moved to the forest and Alicia followed there weren't any rods there and yet it was really close to the Destroyer. Dauf couldn't move but he was still alive during the second volley and the only why he would get hit would be if the rods target yoki. (or more like the Destroyer targets yoki and fires rods at it).
Also remember the rod tha injured Clare and cut off Prissy's arm? It's trajectory was really strange since both characters jumped really high and thus the rod was going upwards and none of the other rods we saw did anything like that. Meaning the rod was more or less aimed at them. To be more precise the Destroyer is targeting the general direction around yoki.
Or there is another possibility - the destroyer targets life itself since it wants to destroy all life - it's just that life is considered a living creature or more precisely a human, Claymore, AB and so on. That would explain why there were many rods in the town as well.
And we don't know if Prissy powered down after that Claymore encounter. She didn't release that much but it was still enough. And the Destroyer is good at sensing yoki since half of him is Raphaela and she could finf anyone (though I have no idea how she did that :heh: ) But Prissy not powering down seems more unlikely than the Destroyer targeting humans and Claymore alike.
Either way the fact remains that Dee didn't encounter a lot of hellcats (or probably any) until she got near the AFs. Otherwise she would have been at least injured and exausted from fighting (Hellcats are really though epsecially if you're alone) which would suggest that there's a limit to how far the Destroyer fires rods.
I simply don't understand how it's logical or sensible for Miria to stay behind in Rabona; it just seems silly to me. Even if the Ghosts were to all get split up, they know Rabona is where to meet up: it's not like Miria has to wait there too. Putting aside Claire, because she doesn't know her current situation, she could at least get to the others who also in need of help, and not in such a precarious situation.
Well you see Miria has no idea what's going on at the moment. Even with Galatea there they had no idea Isley died until Dee told them. And with Prissy 3 AOs and the Destroyer even if they sensed the yoki of one of those (most probably Prissy's) from that distance I doubt they couls sense Clare let alone any of the other ghosts releasing theirs. Miria told them to avoid fighting and with such masive powers at large and the Organisations's new weapon - the AFs that could take down an AO it's the most logical thing Clare and the rest of the ghost could do is get back to Rabona as fast as possible.
If Miria goes out she is taking a huge risk. While she is strong the rest of the ghost in Rabona are not that strong compared to the ones that are with Clare. Miria knows from Dee (as far as I remember) that Helen and Deneve are going to meat up with Clare which basically means that more than half of her forces will be togheter - the 3 most powerful Ghost (not counting her) plus someone who is good in both yoki reading and "healing". At the moment Miria's part of the team is a lot weaker than Calre's. That is of course if Miata nad Galatea don't join which would change things a lot.
Basically if the whole thing with Clare going all out against Prissy and trowing her humanity away for that didn't happen (which Miria has no idea about) the 5 ghosts there could easily come back to Rabona. And what happens if they get back to Rabona heavily injured and exausted and Miria isn't there?
In other words at this moment it's more dangerous to move out rather than stay and wait. With the MiBs hunting AOs and traitors at the same time it's not a good idea to go out in the open with the better half of your forces gone and your fighting power being reduced more than a couple of times due to their absence.
We'll see how things go though. If Galatea and Clarice (meaning Miata) join her she'll be able to move out without a problem and reduce the possibility of her part of the team being wiped out to a minimum. So if Miria is tryng to get them on board it might take some time. If she can't do it her only logical option is to stay and wait imo.
MalakTawus
2010-07-12, 06:41
I think that Galatea can feel the ghost's yoki (Claire's too) even in that hell.......but anyway i agree that the most logical choice is to stay in Rabona (while protecting that area if attacked).
And no,it's quite obvious imo that the rods are shot in every direction and don't follow yoki at all,the reason that it seems that they are directed near the claymores is just because the story focuses on them, so we almost always see a location where there is at last a warrior (or an AB).
And btw it's logical that the destroyer doesn't shot poles near her,that would be pointless.
(and the fact that where Riful is running there are no poles could very well be a little mistake).
If the destroyer really shots poles following yoki she could have aimed A LOT better.
Anyway if she was aiming at something as distant as the near cities we should heve seen the poles' shots concentrated at VERY PRECISE angles,instead it was clearly a 360 random attack.
I doubt Glatea can do that. She sensed Isley's yoki but she wasn't even sure if that was him let alone Deneve and Helen fighting there. And in this hell right now their small yoki (compared to the rest) is basicaly undetectable from that distance. Sure it's closer but that doesn't mean they can possibly know what's going on and whose yoki that actually is. Both the Destryoer and Prissy can cover almost any trace of the others.
Well you might be right but there's no evidence for that or at least none from what we've seen. As I said the Destryoer might be targeting humans, Claymores and ABs alike (in a sense aiming at life) and not just yoki.
There are no rods where Riful on the way to the place where Riful died and there weren't any there as well (after the first wave) there weren't any on the way to the destroyer after Deneve and Helen ran past the ones surronding them. So basically they were aimed and not shot randomly. Otherwise with those numbers of rods some where bound to land in all those locations. If you look at that chapter again you'll see how many rods there where.
And she did aim rather well. Hit Dauf, Beth, Riful, Alicia was alos almost hit but she was really fast thus avoided a hit, also Clare, Helen and Deneve where target but it's natural for them not to get hit with Clare there. A rod landed right next to Prissy. Basically it wasn't random at all from what we saw. Even every rod wasn't individually targeted at a specific target, most of them where targeted at someone's location. Think of it as artilery or better yet as a Katyusha( famous example of Rocket artillery) they target locations raher than specific targets since they can't be that accurate. The same thing happened here.
Actually there's no point if the Destroyer shoots rods randomly. We know it can think. I mean what good does shooting randomly do? Hellcats will hunt bunnies in the forest? It should be aiming at life forms taht could be taken over like humans, Claymores and ABs and that's what it does. At least judging from everything we've seen.
And when I pointed out that Dee wasn't targeted (if you don't agree about the targeting thing - didn't encounter any hellcats on her way until after she reached the AFs) was to show that most of the things the Destroyer targeted where colse by. If Dee was fighting hellcats she would have been half dead by the time she reached the others.
Of course Rabona might have still been attacked just liek Dauf came back to life and managed to inflict more damaga on Prissy than Alicia and Beth fighting togheter. Anything is possible after that :heh:
Again the pole that hit both Clare and Prissy was shot at a very precise angle. And if you ask me on the page where The Destroyer is shooting the rods you could clearly see that it shoots a lot more rods in some directions and only a few in others. That's not random at all. But that panel was supposed to illustrate the massive attack and look awesome rather than be very accurate and show if rods have a target area or are shot random. Meaning that even if they don't appear to be shot randomly it doesn't prove my point at all thus why I said all of the above.
Of course feel free to disagree ;)
DragoZERO
2010-07-12, 10:41
How much time has actually passed sine Clare and everyone left Miria, Galatea, and Mira's #1 Fan aka Tabatha?
evil_kenshin
2010-07-12, 10:55
How much time has actually passed sine Clare and everyone left Miria, Galatea, and Mira's #1 Fan aka Tabatha?
about 3 days at most
Shiek927
2010-07-12, 11:42
Well she could be...if things go in that direction that is See the MiBs have part os Teresa's head and we've seen them do all kinds of crazy things so..
They do? I thought all of Teresa was used for Claire...
At any rate, I hope the manga doesn't go in that direction. All the teresa-ressurection fics as of late are bad enough :heh:.
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*sigh, I don't know, I strangely feel stubborn about Miria feeling it's logical to stay behind.
Like I said, she's not the sacrificial type like that, she's stubborn; even if it was the logical thing to stay behind, she wouldn't. She would find a way to help save her friends and come up with a plan: she did that in Pieta, and despite her failure, managed to save the Ghosts. Miria never sacrifices anyone for the sake of her plans.
After all, one of her main traits pertaining to her tactical mind is "the ability to win a battle with any team". Again, Miria is not Isley, and all the Ghosts know to meet up in Rabona: Miria doesn't have to be there waiting for them, they know that's the rally point, so if any of them gets lost and doesn't know where to go, they meet there.
The Ghosts are in a chaotic situation and need her strong leadership; this "big risk" she is seemingly taking doesn't seem risky to me, because she IS after all the fastest and currently strongest member of the team. She is definitely strong herself to protect herself,and Tabitha, from the HellCats and anything else that's happening on the field(except Priscilla of course, who is occupied). They are, right now, for the most part gathered around eachother watching Claire, Raciella and Priscilla...the Eaters that were attacking Cynthia, Yuma and Dietrich are dead...their may be more HellCats but the whole team(barring Claire, Miria and Tabitha) is now assembled, and should be able to win...
I'm just not seeing the risk here: the biggest threat right now is obviously Claire/Raciella and Priscilla, who are only focused on eachother right now. Yes, Miria doesn't know about the precise situation and all that's been happening, but her stance and love for her friends wouldn't let her leave behind, even it was the logical thing to her; her tactical genius would already been thinking of plans to pick up the pieces, whatever they are, before she even gets to them.
about 3 days at most
Hard to believe huh? :p
evil_kenshin
2010-07-12, 11:50
Hard to believe huh? :p
very lol, but were been asked to believe the whole event of the destroyer (starting from Alicia + the AF's showing up to confront Riful) to now has not even been one day so in context i'm not to surprised lol. We haven't even hit night yet (so its not even been 12 hours yet if were to say their daylight starts at 6am)
Shiek927
2010-07-12, 11:57
very lol, but were been asked to believe the whole event of the destroyer (starting from Alicia + the AF's showing up to confront Riful) to now has not even been one day so in context i'm not to surprised lol. We haven't even hit night yet (so its not even been 12 hours yet if were to say their daylight starts at 6am)
We've never even really seen night-time, not for a long long time. The last time I remember seeing night-time was waaay back in the North, when Clarice was helping her squad fight the Awakened Beings.
Now, for things like sunsets and sunrises, it's hard to tell; we often get sky-shots, and who knows, maybe it's supposed to be one or the other in Yagi's head.
The problem though, since the manga is in black-and-white, if it's not clearly night-time, I always think it's just the middle of the afternoon regardless of how long it's been or how many chapters it's been.
very lol, but were been asked to believe the whole event of the destroyer (starting from Alicia + the AF's showing up to confront Riful) to now has not even been one day so in context i'm not to surprised lol. We haven't even hit night yet (so its not even been 12 hours yet if were to say their daylight starts at 6am)
I think 2 days, from the first to the last two events.:)
MalakTawus
2010-07-12, 14:25
Shiek,like you said Miria NEVER sacrifice anyone for the sake of her plans (well,to be honest during Pieta's fight that's exactly what she did,but afterall that was their best option),and that's why she should avoid going in hell.
If she goes she put her friends (of course the others won't let her go alone) in a ultra dangerous situation where if something goes wrong they could get totally annihilated in an instant.
In this situation she should belive that her friends can survive,not put even the other ghosts in a close-to-death situation.
Anyway she is very smart so should have understood by now that there are situations where she can't do nothing,even at Pieta she could do nothing against Rigardo and in the end if it wasn't for Claire that defeated Rigardo her secret plan would have been a complete failure.
Now the situation is similar,the only one in real danger is Claire (the others can escape easily if they want),so what can she do to help Claire?The answer is simple:absolutely nothing.
Anyway even if it's not the logical thing to do i wouldn't be so surprised if Miria goes to help her friends,but at best she can help them to fight some hellcats (not a great help imo,but it's the thought that counts,no?).
@Joe:About the poles,even if i understand your position i still think that it was a random 360 attack,but you made some clever observations so i admit i could be wrong.
They do? I thought all of Teresa was used for Claire...
I have no idea actually...I mean I doubt they implanted her whole head in Clare...really she was just a kid...half her organs would have to be removed for the head to fit :heh: Of course we have no idea how that works but I'm quite sure the MiBs kept something (and probably Teresa's body as well) in case Clare
actually became as strong as Teresa.
At any rate, I hope the manga doesn't go in that direction. All the teresa-ressurection fics as of late are bad enough :heh:.
I can't even imagine what I said before happening...that will slam Claymore into the ground so hard it won't be even funny :heh: (even though I'm laughing now...)
*sigh, I don't know, I strangely feel stubborn about Miria feeling it's logical to stay behind.
Like I said, she's not the sacrificial type like that, she's stubborn; even if it was the logical thing to stay behind, she wouldn't. She would find a way to help save her friends and come up with a plan: she did that in Pieta, and despite her failure, managed to save the Ghosts. Miria never sacrifices anyone for the sake of her plans.
I'm sure she feels like going out to search for them as well and as Malak said she might do that despite the incredible danger.
If she satys behind that just shows that she is not the sacrificial type (again we're not counting what happened in Pieta since it was the best thing she could have done). First Miria has no idea what the AFs are and how many they are. The organization is targeting everyone at once (traitors, ABs and AOs alike) so going out only with Tabitha will endanger both of them especially Tabitha. Miria isn't as storng as an AO so if the organization has something that can kill that it means that if she encounters those she is prety much dead if she fights. (Tabitha isn't that storng so Miria is basically alone). If she stayed long enough for Prissy to kill the 3 AOs there and for Galatea to tell her that it would mean that it's something Miria can't possibly do anything to help.
After all, one of her main traits pertaining to her tactical mind is "the ability to win a battle with any team". Again, Miria is not Isley, and all the Ghosts know to meet up in Rabona: Miria doesn't have to be there waiting for them, they know that's the rally point, so if any of them gets lost and doesn't know where to go, they meet there.
Actually that's not quite true. I mean the male AB, Pieta...it was all pure luck they survived (ok She had a plan in Pieta but that again would have failed if it wasn't for Clare and was an extremely risky one that also involve at least half of the Claymores there dying for sure) She can now win because her team is extremly strong thus it's really hard to actually lose :heh:
What makes her a leader is that she considers every option, thinks logically, isn't swayed by emotions like the other ghosts thus she is able to think rationally in dangerous situations and since she was the strogest naturally she nas everyone's respect.
And since she is the leader, if she isn't in Rabona when some of the other Ghosts return there they would have no idea what to do and since they don't think as rationally as her and are quite impulsive they would go out again and might as well end up dead.
The Ghosts are in a chaotic situation and need her strong leadership; this "big risk" she is seemingly taking doesn't seem risky to me, because she IS after all the fastest and currently strongest member of the team. She is definitely strong herself to protect herself,and Tabitha, from the HellCats and anything else that's happening on the field(except Priscilla of course, who is occupied). They are, right now, for the most part gathered around eachother watching Claire, Raciella and Priscilla...the Eaters that were attacking Cynthia, Yuma and Dietrich are dead...their may be more HellCats but the whole team(barring Claire, Miria and Tabitha) is now assembled, and should be able to win...
If they start fighting instead of regrouping and going back to Rabona - yes they need her leadership - or more like they need her to go there and tell them "get back to Rabona before you get killed" and imo they can figure that out for themselves at this point.
And basically if there is something Clare, Deneve and Helen can't handle Miria can't help them at all. After all Clare is probably stornger than Miria if they both release their yoki. And in this situation Miria isn't strong enough to protect herself let alone anyone else. Before she gets to where the others are or even in Rabona she should sense that something killed 3 AOs meaning there is something there that could kill everyone in seconds.
And in other words everyone right now is gathered in the midle of what's soon going to be a battlground. And all of them can just watch. Seems kind of stupid to stick around doesn't it?
I'm just not seeing the risk here: the biggest threat right now is obviously Claire/Raciella and Priscilla, who are only focused on eachother right now. Yes, Miria doesn't know about the precise situation and all that's been happening, but her stance and love for her friends wouldn't let her leave behind, even it was the logical thing to her; her tactical genius would already been thinking of plans to pick up the pieces, whatever they are, before she even gets to them.
Well she has no idea that the AFs are gone - they don't release any yoki so they are practically undetectable and very strong (mind you they killed Isley and no one told her that they killed him in 7 years :p) Hellcats are also something very dangerous since if you have no idea what they can do they might surprise you. I mean they surprised Helen, Deneve and Prissy and if it wasn't for the unque abilities (or Clare's help) they would have died /been taken over. And there should be more of the around since Clare, Deneve and Helen didn't kill most of the ones around them.
And what about the MiBs? Even if we don't see them around it doesn't mean they aren't there :p The fact that they are going all out against everyone at the same time even though it's dangerous means there is something really big going on. If not there isn't a reason why they won't take it slow and kill Riful the same way they killed Isley. They are up to something really big imo.
And Prissy neads less than a second to kill everyone so that's enough to make you thin twice. Also Miria has no idea about what the Destroyer can do and if it's an enemy or not so the danger of it killing them in a split second also remains.
So if she thinks logically that's a very bad move. But of coure I wouldn't be surprised if she shows up at one point (I would imagine that even Galatea and Miata will be with her as well) Her other option is to believe in her friends :heh:
Hard to believe huh? :p
Actually I'm surprised it's that much. I think it's been at best a day and a half. I just can't see them fighting for that long and with the speed Prissy was moving/ killing AOs Helen and Deneve couldn't have been running around that much.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-12, 19:21
it's been at best a day and a half. I just can't see them fighting for that long and with the speed Prissy was moving/ killing AOs Helen and Deneve couldn't have been running around that much.
Probably a bit more than that as were including from when Clare & Co left rabona. So the battle of the village, the encounter with Isley etc
Shiek927
2010-07-12, 21:57
Joe, I can't tell you how many things have pestered me from replying to your post :heh:, I've basically given up on trying :heh:.
To summerize as quickly as possible; My stance hasn't really changed though; Miria knows about the Eaters because Dietrich told her, so she knows full well what they are capable of. Yes, She isn't AO-level, but she is a No.1 in her own way, and Tabitha isn't a lightweight either: while she may not be the most popular or the most vocal, Tabitha isn't a baby that needs defending. Miria wouldn't be fighting alone.
The Ghosts are totally disorganized right now and need her grounded leadership to pull themselves together and, most important of all, plan their next move: about Claire, about everything. The Ghosts aren't babies: if they return to Rabona, and Miria isn't there, they will wait. I can't imagine them trying to go anywhere else because they need her for the assault on the Organization. Miria doesn't need to be their mother, but at the same time, they would undeniably be better with then without her.
Their is just something gloriously wrong when I think of Miria remaining in Rabona, if that is her choice, logical or not. Every reason I hear that it would be better or more logical for her to remain just doesn't seem right. She wouldn't be going to the West looking for a fight, she would be looking for her friends to get them the heck out of there, find out what on earth has been going on, and plan their next move. If Miria and Tabitha come across any danger; be it HellCats, AE's(which, since she doesn't know they are all dead now, she should be quick enough to escape them and trick them up with her phantom technique)...worse case scenario is Priscilla, and Priscilla is focused on Raciella right now.
Above all else, her sheer drive to help her friends would make her want go there; sorry, but I simply can't comprehend her believing it's the logical choice to stay behind. All these enemies that are there feel like more and more reasons why she would go instead of staying behind, more reasons why she would attempt to find a way to get them all out of there: because that's Miria, she makes impossible-to-win scenarios possible. While you can argue that, since we don't have a huge list of battles to compare with, the majority of her battles have been won with luck, that's only in the face when powers beyond what she predicted arised(The 6-armed-AB being a male, and Rigardo showing up). The fight against Agatha I believe is the perfect scenario, when the plan is fully laid-out and understood, the entire team is all together etc etc....it all leads up to a very fast, clean victory. That is what happens when Miria is around.
No doubt the scenario is like the others; Miria has absolutely no idea what is happening in the West, and what has happened at all...and those are the exact reasons why she would go, and find a way to understand it all and get her friends out of there. Like I said, making impossible-to-win situations possible is what she does, and while she isn't perfect and has grievously failed(Pieta) in those attempts, she has never ever deliberately sacrificed anyone.
Only time will tell what happens next; right now, Raciella and Priscilla seem like they are about to fight it out, while the rest of the Ghosts are huddled in the corner watching in awe...it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the bushes ruffled, and out steps Miria and Tabitha wondering what the heck is going on. It would be the perfect situation and she can get an explanation on everything, and seems more likely then not.
Deneve pretty much flat out said how long they've been fighting. Just over half a day since the Hellcats landed. Since it's clearly not night time yet we can deduce that by half a day Deneve meant daylight time and not 24 hours. Since we don't know what season it is lets round a day to 12 hours of day light and take way half. So chapter 95-99 was a 6 hour time period and when you throw in ch 92-94 which seemed just as fast paced making them about 2 hours in length... Now ch 100-105 seems to bee even faster paced so lets assume it's been upwards of 2-3 hours.
http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv162/LordRyus/BeerOClock2.jpg
Next off ch 82-87 where much slower paced. When ch 87-89 was very fast paced but ch 90-91 was very slow paced between the fights and dialog.
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Shiek927
2010-07-12, 22:26
..............Where did you get those pictures? :heh: :heh: :heh:
The first one looks especially funny; Deneve looks almost embarrassed, as if saying "I'm not with her, I don't know her I swear" :heh:.
..............Where did you get those pictures? :heh: :heh: :heh:
The first one looks especially funny; Deneve looks almost embarrassed, as if saying "I'm not with her, I don't know her I swear" :heh:.
The first one was two pics which I put together and recolored them to make them match better... since the colorings where way off from one another. I mainly recolored the Deneve one... since I had already finished the pic but desceided last minute to add Deneve since if I could get her looking annoyed I believed it would only make the image more funny. :heh: Then I thought Deneve looked so big I needed to add the "hehs" to fill Helen's side.
The second I found on some random blog and I just changed the text. Was going to get rid of the green but since neon green looks like something intoxicating I kept it. :eyespin:
Shiek927
2010-07-12, 22:38
The second I found on some random blog and I just changed the text. Was going to get rid of the green but since neon green looks like something intoxicating I kept it.
Yeah, green is rarely a color that I like on anything in Claymore except for trees, grass etc etc. For the majority of Awakened, darker colors like blue, purple, black etc fit best...I can't really think of a character or situation where green would actually work well.
Well, maybe Awakened Ophelia and the Awakened she killed...but Ophelia I saw more as a teal or blueish-green since she seems to have crawled up from the ocean.
MalakTawus
2010-07-13, 02:53
because that's Miria, she makes impossible-to-win scenarios possible. While you can argue that, since we don't have a huge list of battles to compare with, the majority of her battles have been won with luck, that's only in the face when powers beyond what she predicted arised(The 6-armed-AB being a male, and Rigardo showing up). The fight against Agatha I believe is the perfect scenario, when the plan is fully laid-out and understood, the entire team is all together etc etc....it all leads up to a very fast, clean victory. That is what happens when Miria is around.
No,Miria has NEVER done the impossible possible.NEVER (as far as we have seen in the manga,obviously).
The one that made the impossible possible was always Claire 'cause she is damn crazy,she has an incredible luck and sometimes her power goes off-scale.
Btw the fight agains Agatha was VERY FAR from being an impossible situation.They didn't win thanx to Miria's great plan (and for all we know it seems that in that case was Claire to lead the attack and made the others cut her legs),they won because the ghosts were overpowered.
Anyway there is a BIG reason why Miria shouldn't go near that hell: we always assumed that Priscilla and Claire the Destroyer are too busy to fight each other,but for all Miria knows that battle could end at any moment,so going there would mean to go where the most powerful and dangerous AB of all times is......not a great idea......
And btw imo you should stop pretending that there is something special that Miria can do in that situation,the only thing that she can do is going to Deneve and company and tell them to escape from that as fast as possible,and clearly the ghosts can undestand something like that even without her help (and anyway the ghosts aren't disorganized at all 'cause Deneve is clearly a great leader too,i don't even know where do you see this disorganization).
And finally,what do you think that Miria can do for Claire?There is no "great plan" that can help Claire now,all that Miria can do is prey that Claire wins the fight against Priscilla and somehow regain herself.
Alright. Here's Yagi's interview from this month's issue.
I had to do a fair bit of editting and dewarpping to make the images look half decent, but in the process, who knows what I did to them...
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Shiek927
2010-07-13, 11:25
*sigh, Malak I'm done....at this point I'm doing nothing but repeating my views on the subject. Sorry if disagree with my stance, but I just don't agree with yours. Only time will tell what Miria will or will not do, but I won't be surprised if she ends up showing up.
No,Miria has NEVER done the impossible possible.NEVER
Um, right, and I suppose Tabitha was the leader in Pieta.
Btw the fight agains Agatha was VERY FAR from being an impossible situation.They didn't win thanx to Miria's great plan (and for all we know it seems that in that case was Claire to lead the attack and made the others cut her legs),they won because the ghosts were overpowered.
Um, you're kind of missing the point. The point was, that just shows how efficient a group can be under Miria, when everything goes according to plan. Yes, all of them obviously deserve credit, but you're giving Claire too much credit and Miria not enough if that's the stance you're taking on it.
Just because Claire does the most damage doesn't make her better or whatever then Miria; it just shows Miria's wise decisions in placing who, in charge of what: just because Miria doesn't land the final blow doesn't make her a bad leader. She just placed the right person in charge of "tanking", is all.
All of them attacked all her legs, Helen drilled her shell, Miria cut her in half, Tabitha probed her....each member of the group contributed to Agatha's demise; if you want to get technical and put more focus on one person, fine, but Miria is undeniably the leader and it's because of her leadership that the battle went as swiftly as it did. If they didn't have any sort of plan before entering, the battle would have been longer and not as flawless, and may have even had a member taking damage.
Power means nothing in this scenario; what was more important was the fact they were all grounded, and efficiently worked together as a team. Galatea is a shining example of this, because she had hoped the warriors sent to kill her would come to her aid; and had Galatea and Miata not fought eachother and worked together as a team, they would have had actually defeated Agatha: she herself even admits this.
Well, that's enough, I refuse to be baited into this anymore.
Nice find Cyclone, thanks for posting them. Do you, by chance, know what it says?
MalakTawus
2010-07-13, 14:59
Miria is undeniably the leader and it's because of her leadership that the battle went as swiftly as it did.
It seems we are reading different mangas 'cause imo that's not true at all.
Before arriving to Rabona the ghosts didn't know that Agatha had 8 legs and also they didn't know the secret with her "true form",so obviously they didn't prepare any special plan.
Claire was the first one to destroy a leg (and don't tell me that she waited Miria's orders 'cause Claire never waits) and was also the one that noted that remained 7 legs (basically she was the one to suggest to cut all the other legs,not that she needed a great brain to come up with that.....),and when Agatha changed form it was Tab (and a bit Gala) to suggest the correct strategy to defeat her since Miria isn't so great in yoki reading.Conclusion:during that battle Miria did absolutely nothing special (or planned anything special) and the battle would have ended in a easy victory even if Miria didn't existed.
Btw i'm not saying that she isn't able to do great plans (she is),i'm just saying that the battle against Agatha was something that didn't require any plan since fighting normally was more than enough to kill her.
Saying that Agatha's battle was an impossible situation (similar to the actual situation) for the ghosts and that they were able to win easily thanks to Miria's leadership is pure nonsense.
It doesn't matter what you say but the truth is that the only situations where Miria faced an impossible fight were against 6-arms (well,not really imo but certainly a really bad situation) and against Rig, and it's a fact that in both cases she would have failed horribly if it wasn't for Claire........and now you tell me that Miria can do something to help Claire in a scenario where Priscilla and CtD are going all out?No way,the only thing that she can do is to die......
Btw,like i have already said in my past posts i too belive that there is a great chance that Miria will go to try to help her friends,i'm just saying that it's a very dangerous (and even quite stupid) choice.
....but like you said this seems to be another topic where we should agree to disagree.
DragoZERO
2010-07-13, 17:44
Nice find Cyclone, thanks for posting them. Do you, by chance, know what it says?
Yeah, if you could do that, it'd be awesome. I'd even pay you with typesetting or proofreading services if you want.
Nice find Cyclone, thanks for posting them. Do you, by chance, know what it says?
Heh - Quite easy to find when the postman knocks on your door and hands you the magazine in a brown envelope each month.
As for knowing what it says... only small bits of it so far. No time yet.
Yeah, if you could do that, it'd be awesome. I'd even pay you with typesetting or proofreading services if you want.
You see how much text there is - and no furigana. It's going to be quite slow and painful for me to translate. I was hoping for some help with the translation. I'll start working my way through it tonight, but don't expect results for quite a while - this is going to take tons of time. I'll try and see if I can get a friend to help me out a bit, and speed it up a little though.
I don't really see a need to scanlate the interview though - it'd be just as readable in a text file as a scanlation.
DragoZERO
2010-07-13, 20:52
You see how much text there is - and no furigana. It's going to be quite slow and painful for me to translate. I was hoping for some help with the translation. I'll start working my way through it tonight, but don't expect results for quite a while - this is going to take tons of time. I'll try and see if I can get a friend to help me out a bit, and speed it up a little though.Feel free to summarize if it's that big of a pain.
I don't really see a need to scanlate the interview though - it'd be just as readable in a text file as a scanlation.I meant for the next chapter you scanlate. Doing this would be pointless.
I did this poll for another forum but it should be good to help spark our next big debate...
Who will Raciela (aka The Destroyer) spit out first?
a1) Awakened Clare (aka goddess form)
a2) Claymore Clare
b) Ophelia
c1) Awakened Teresa (aka Goddess form)
c2) Claymore Teresa
d) Raphaela
e) Luciela
f) Priscilla (she doesn't taste guud, whether alive or dead)
g) Hellvicitms (not attached to The Destroyers body, so no more cats but close too them)
h) Blood... as Priscilla pulverizes her
i) Apples from the forest (some squirrels and deer too)
j) Hairballs from the discontinued Hellcats
k) Jean
l) Irene
m) Elena
n) Flora
o) Other
MalakTawus
2010-07-14, 02:08
I hope a1 or a2.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-14, 02:19
c1 & c2 will not happen, or if it does will be only temporarily. Teresa won't be coming back.
I think (i) is hilarious:), but am hopping for the first one.:)
DragoZERO
2010-07-14, 08:45
Goddess form!? I take it that's something new.
Goddess form!? I take it that's something new.
It is, because non of us had actually seen her in that form, it is said to be the form that Clare would retain after fully awakening as the successor of Teresa.:)(:)probably the reason why I'm dying to see it for so long now.:))
Oh, it's deinitely gonna be (i) without a doubt :p. On a more serious note, I think Clare will either get spit out, or she'll be able to take over the destroyer with her will or something and spit Raciela out.
c1 & c2 will not happen, or if it does will be only temporarily. Teresa won't be coming back.
Agreed but I couldn't leave it out of the poll just since I believe such... had to include all possibilities encase someone else believed otherwise. :eyespin:
I mean after all... are the odds of Elena being spit out higher or lower than Teresa? However many people seem to think she is one of the souls Clare carries when I see her just as a friend who Clare saved from a horrible fate at her request.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-14, 18:31
Agreed but I couldn't leave it out of the poll just since I believe such... had to include all possibilities encase someone else believed otherwise. :eyespin:
I mean after all... are the odds of Elena being spit out higher or lower than Teresa? However many people seem to think she is one of the souls Clare carries when I see her just as a friend who Clare saved from a horrible fate at her request.
Elena is even lower since she never expressed any desire to take down Priscilla. Teresa is physically part of Clare so odds are much higher. But again I know some Teresa fans are desperate for her to return but it wouldn't fit in the story since the threat of everything would be taken down with such a broken character as Teresa it would be a case of "oh this new enemy means nothing we have the all powerful Teresa who is unbeatable in normal circumstances":heh: .
Shiek927
2010-07-14, 19:10
To be honest Ryus, I thought you were just joking around....I'm a little confused by your question :confused:
What do you mean by "spit out"?
To be honest Ryus, I thought you were just joking around....I'm a little confused by your question :confused:
What do you mean by "spit out"?
I mentioned that it was a poll created for another forum... where things are less serious (hence the borderline joke nature of the post). So "spit out" just means anything other than Clare losing her way after the fight and becoming a full fledged treat to the world that will need to be killed. Be it Clare absorbing The Destroyer, Clare exiting The Destroyer (like before), the shooting out of minions, or Clare using The Destroyer to bring back the dead...
Shiek927
2010-07-14, 20:41
I mentioned that it was a poll created for another forum... where things are less serious (hence the borderline joke nature of the post). So "spit out" just means anything other than Clare losing her way after the fight and becoming a full fledged treat to the world that will need to be killed. Be it Clare absorbing The Destroyer, Clare exiting The Destroyer (like before), the shooting out of minions, or Clare using The Destroyer to bring back the dead...
I think I get it; the fact that it's a joke meant to be taken seriously is what through me off :heh:.
I think I get it; the fact that it's a joke meant to be taken seriously is what through me off :heh:.
It's the posting style of the other forum... rarely is anyone too serious there. :heh:
It's the posting style of the other forum... rarely is anyone too serious there. :heh:
That would be?:)
That would be?:)
Tentacle rape is a reoccurring topic there... so in short crude, stupid, just plain evil, wild, talk of sex, I wanna eat guts, pic posts, humor, etc
Oh... and about 10% of the time we debate or talk about the chapter in a serious manner.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-15, 03:24
That would be?:)
i'll give u 2 clue's , the first word of the forum begins with N and has a poster called muk :)
i'll give u 2 clue's , the first word of the forum begins with N and has a poster called muk :)
I see, .:)
evil_kenshin
2010-07-15, 05:51
I see, .:)
in truth its the naruto-fan forums lol the claymore thread has been around for ages (i miss the time claymore was manga of a month and had its own mini forum :( )
FormerAbyssalone
2010-07-15, 12:23
I did this poll for another forum but it should be good to help spark our next big debate...
Who will Raciela (aka The Destroyer) spit out first?
a1) Awakened Clare (aka goddess form)
a2) Claymore Clare
b) Ophelia
c1) Awakened Teresa (aka Goddess form)
c2) Claymore Teresa
d) Raphaela
e) Luciela
f) Priscilla (she doesn't taste guud, whether alive or dead)
g) Hellvicitms (not attached to The Destroyers body, so no more cats but close too them)
h) Blood... as Priscilla pulverizes her
i) Apples from the forest (some squirrels and deer too)
j) Hairballs from the discontinued Hellcats
k) Jean
l) Irene
m) Elena
n) Flora
o) Other
I hope 1a but a different awakend form.:D
BTW: That is an awsome sig.:heh:;)
I hope 1a but a different awakend form.:D
BTW: That is an awsome sig.:heh:;)
What do you want her too look like? :D
Thx
FormerAbyssalone
2010-07-15, 12:28
What do you want her too look like? :D
Thx
I'm not too sure though... I mean we've seen the goddess form already. So surly Yagi-san has something, that will make us go WOW!!!:twitch::heh:
DragoZERO
2010-07-15, 12:30
Huh? We've seen the goddess form? When? I'm confused here.
FormerAbyssalone
2010-07-15, 12:34
Huh? We've seen the goddess form? When? I'm confused here.
I ment 2 say we've seen it through the destroyer's initial form.:):heh: I guess I wasn't specific enough sorry.;)
Well before Prissy forced the Destroyer to take the form of a giant black thingie I was quite sure the first thing coming out of it was Deneve's claymore...oh well that's not happening now is it? :heh:
Read the chapter now (again a lot later than you guys :heh:).
Hmmm, I hope the story picks up again next chapter. This one had no real surprises. Aside from the pudding that is the destroyer and is eating the forest.
Dunno it had the epic panels of friggin Priscilla getting pierced, but it didn't feel really epic.
Hope the next one will be a blast.
Read the chapter now (again a lot later than you guys :heh:).
Hmmm, I hope the story picks up again next chapter. This one had no real surprises. Aside from the pudding that is the destroyer and is eating the forest.
Dunno it had the epic panels of friggin Priscilla getting pierced, but it didn't feel really epic.
Hope the next one will be a blast.
Your definatly right this one was set up for the true battle. Which last month we thought would be this month would be the start of the true battle... but it turned out it's not Priscilla vs The Destroyer but Priscilla vs Clare the Destroyer (CtD for short)... ... :heh::eyespin::heh:... I think I really like that name, might be using it from now on. :p
Your definatly right this one was step up for the true battle. Which last month we thought would be this month would be the start of the true battle... but it turned out it's not Priscilla vs The Destroyer but Priscilla vs Clare the Destroyer. :heh::eyespin::heh: I think I really like that name, might be using it from now on. :p
I want to know what happend to Raki, or at least what's going to happen or is happening. At least give meh 1 panel. That's brighten my Claymore month.
I want to know what happend to Raki, or at least what's going to happen or is happening. At least give meh 1 panel. That's brighten my Claymore month.
Unless Clare senses Raki via the rod in his shoulder (which I'm assuming could be linked with The Destroyer and therefore Clare now being part of it cloud sense him) I doubt he'll make an appearance before this arc is over. :( I too really wanna know what happened to Raki... Then again I want to know how Dietrich got both sides (AF vs Hellcat) to kill each other off, why Priscilla left Raki, and where the bloody hell Miria and gang are... just as much. There are way too many unanswered questions at the moment :upset:
Yet at the same time I really wanna conclusion to all this Clare vs Priscilla stuff and to know Clare's fate now that's she merged. :heh:
I feel dreadfully conflicted of what I wanna see next every day.
We wont just get a panel of Raki. He will come in in big damn herus fashion :D
He's withheld for a reason. Gonna be the big surprise along the lines.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-16, 02:09
We wont just get a panel of Raki. He will come in in big herous fashion :D
He's witheld for a reason. Gonna be the big surprise along the lines.
someone over on the MH forum posted an interesting theory
Hmm, we may disagree on that. I see it as a means to draw the series closer to a conclusion, not stretch it out (sure it was a somewhat roundabout if Clare was the dominant consciousness of the merged abyssal as it awakened, but if she had taken immediate control of the entity, Raki wouldn't have been infected, Priscilla would still be restrained, and the twists wouldn't have been as effective). By having Clare awaken the merged abyssal and become the dominant consciousness, Yagi has provided a legitimate challenge to Priscilla. The mangaka can resolve the primary thrust of the narrative by eliminating the two characters involved and be left with a loophole for the conclusion: Raki. If Priscilla and Clare destroy one another, Raki would be left as the inheritor of "Clare's flesh" and everything that implies. The narrative's cycle would be complete. Of course, to make this ending truly bittersweet, Yagi would need to ensure that Clare and Priscilla saw the fruits of their labor.
would be interesting if thats the case but I don't want Clare to die :heh:
someone over on the MH forum posted an interesting theory
would be interesting if thats the case but I don't want Clare to die :heh:
I still see that as a flawed theory... since the series couldn't end without the org being dealt with and the other half of the ghost showing up. It's a nice theory but I just don't see Yagi not concluding those plot angles.
Also I'm beginning to think Priscilla will win this fight but spare Clare (by choice for whatever reason or being forced to due to a third party showing up and her now being too weak to chance a fight). Since I just don't see Raki developing into something more epic (power level wise) than Priscilla, at least off the bat (and if he does then Claymore just turned into another powerhouse badass of the arc story when it's always been a multi sided war story). Yet if he doesn't become the new monster than there's not much left that can really challenge the ghosts since the dragons where previously described as equal to ABs and Miria alone could take out quite a few of them now. Logic dictates that there is no way the dragons could be that much stronger unless almost everything we know about the mainland is false. So looking at it from this angle if Priscilla (and Clare) falls... then what? If Priscilla dies and Clare lives than everything is now too weak to challenge her but if they both die then everything else is just wrap up and will fail due to lack of investment of the readers on these plot points. If Priscilla lives and Clare dies then she'll still be just too powerful and everyone is F***ed... but if Clare wins and loses her mind to The Destroyer after killing Priscilla than she is just as bad as Priscilla plot wise (and they'll either need to kill her or redeem her, both conceptually seem weak).
So I'm leaning towards Priscilla winning but Clare surviving too and now with a huge power up... then bring in Raki and/or Dargons and well be setting up for something truly epic and Priscilla and Clare will be our new yard sticks for measuring insane powers. Making it Clare, the ghosts, and Rabona vs Mib, loyal warriors, Raki, and other creations (and maybe some mainland forces) vs the Dragonskin, spies, and their armies vs Priscilla...
I see the here and now as an ACT 2 drawing to the close... changing everything we've come to know and setting it up for the conclusion ACT (still a bit away). This by chance should keep us on course for the approximate 25-30 volumes Yagi predicted at the beginning.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-16, 02:54
I see the here and now as an ACT 2 drawing to the close... changing everything we've come to know and setting it up for the conclusion ACT (still a bit away). This by chance should keep us on course for the approximate 25-30 volumes Yagi predicted at the beginning.
While I would like to see what you put in the rest of the post, the problem is with the involvement of the DoD's it increases the scope of claymore so that it becomes necessary for a timeskip to deal with the conclusion. While we will get some massive battle they'll need a timeskip to explain the DoD's and the humans ending the war or something.
I've said this before but we don't really need to see the conclusion of the major conflicst outside tne island. While that would be interesting it would change Claymore too much and it won't ahve anything to do with the story so far. The Ghosts have no reason to go to the mainland in the first place. Miria just wants to avenge her comrades and crush the organization and that is all connected to the island they are on. The only way things could escalate a bit (again only on the island) is for Rubel to do something huge (which might happen)
I have to agree with Ryus - I aslo don't see Clare wining this one. If she wins she'll be way overpowered and the story would basically lose a lot of it's charm. When Clare is the ultimate super powerful being she'll need a stronger enemy to face for things to develop further and so we'll see an endless cycle of weird power ups no one wants to see. And they can't possibly both die as Ryus pointed out.
Maybe Clare could kill Prissy and retain her human form and self by sacrificing her new power but that would be just to cheap for resolving one of the biggest issues in the manga so far.
Also Raki has to face both Prissy and Clare at some point. I doubt those 7 years of Raki and Prissy together would be for nothing. While Prissy might be saying that that she stayed with him just because of that scent I think there is something more. Same with Clare - she said she just wanted to see he's doing fine and so on but I'm sure she cares a lot about him and wants to see him again. And Raki obviously cares a lot for both of them so I feel it's important for all of them to face each other at one point which can't ahppen now and thus they all need to remain alive until that moment.
DragoZERO
2010-07-16, 08:27
I've said it before and I'll said it again: I demand a Fumoffu spin off with the characters in high school.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-16, 08:32
I've said it before and I'll said it again: I demand a Fumoffu spin off with the characters in high school.
yagi has already done a highschool series before though lol so considering the different direction his gone with claymore (though reused a few character designs) I don't think it will happen.
Or just imagine than in angel densetsu the claymore look alikes are actually the characters from claymore :heh:
last resort is that fanmade picture of several claymore characters in highschool (can find it in a few of the claymore group's pics sections)
yagi has already done a highschool series before though lol
...... didn't know that! :O *goes searching*
Shiek927
2010-07-16, 10:49
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3099712&postcount=740
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; but Claymore as we know it will have ended if Claire, Raki, Priscilla, or any of the three end up dying, especially the latter.
...... didn't know that! :O *goes searching*
Yagi's high school series is called Angel Densetsu. Clare, Teresa, Cynthia, and Raki are characters literally plucked from Angel Densetsu and thrown into Claymore (there are others but these are the big ones... there's also characters who have parallels between the series but look and act very different most of the time). Even Angel wings is a common theme in it. And several scenes in Angel Densetsu where just redone for Claymore... such as Teresa feeding Clare for the first time (it's at the very end of Angel Densetsu)
The series starts ROFLMAO (Yagi does some great comedy), then slumps a bit towards the middle (around volume 9), and gets better towards the end (around volume 13) with the introduction of some new neighbors. Not bad for a series that was meant to be a one shot chapter.
In short the series is about the sweetest boy ever who has the face of a demon... so everyone judges him by his appearance and rarely does anyone understand the real him. It's a comedic martial arts story set in a high school.
DragoZERO
2010-07-16, 11:11
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3099712&postcount=740
I've said it before, and I'll say it again; but Claymore as we know it will have ended if Claire, Raki, Priscilla, or any of the three end up dying, especially the latter.Yeah, that's why I think this fight will be postponed or end in a draw some how.
Yagi's high school series is called Angel Densetsu. Clare, Teresa, Cynthia, and Raki are characters literally plucked from Angel Densetsu and thrown into Claymore. Even Angle wings is a common theme in it. And several scenes in Angel Densetsu where just redone for Claymore... such as Teresa feeding Clare for the first time (it's at the very end of Angel Densetsu)
The series starts ROFLMAO (Yagi does some great comedy), then slumps a bit towards the middle (around volume 9), and gets better towards the end (around volume 13) with the introduction of some new neighbors. Not bad for a series that was meant to be a one shot chapter.
In short the series is about the sweetest boy ever who has the face of a demon... so everyone judges him by his appearance and rarely does anyone understand the real him. It's a comedic martial arts story set in a high school.I tried it actually and found it rather boring. I mean, it was funny, but just not funny enough for me I suppose. I don't know, I tried reading it while Kimi ni Todoke was airing, whose heroine who looks like the girl from The Ring so the jokes were pretty much the same.
Yeah, that's why I think this fight will be postponed or end in a draw some how.
I tried it actually and found it rather boring. I mean, it was funny, but just not funny enough for me I suppose. I don't know, I tried reading it while Kimi ni Todoke was airing, whose heroine who looks like the girl from The Ring so the jokes were pretty much the same.
I read it as a major Claymore fan wanting to see how Yagi had developed as an author. Even I got kinda disappointed with the middle but the end, for Claymore fans was worth it. I still ROFLMAO watching the main character trying to feed little Dietrich (well should rephrase that the girl who tell Clare about Raki near the goddesses statue whom i jokingly call little Dietrich) like Teresa feed Clare.
It was meant to be a one shot... so it's interesting for a literary perspective how an author got stuck doing it with no overarching plan and kept it going. Then took all the best parts of it and made it into a series completely different and made it way better. Some authors blow adapting old ideas into new stories, just look a Orsen Scott Cards Children of the Mind (sci-fi novel) it was a story he couldn't sell orginially but after Endar's Game he adapted it into that series and it still sucked. :p
Now you read way more manga than me... since I'm the anime guy who only picked up manga a year ago after reading Claymore. So you've likely seen tons of comedic high schools stuff way better than Angel Densetsu but I didn't read it for it's plot but to better see how the author has developed.
Shiek927
2010-07-16, 11:21
Yeah, that's why I think this fight will be postponed or end in a draw some how.
I agree; it already feels like every force is preventing them from fighting together; Claire's de-awakening, Raciella, the Ghosts...it's as if Fate is looking for any excuse imaginable to interrupt their fight.
The fight will end with a Draw - that's how I see it. It will end with neither of them dying, and the fight being postponed, probably indefinitely.
I agree; it already feels like every force is preventing them from fighting together; Claire's de-awakening, Raciella, the Ghosts...it's as if Fate is looking for any excuse imaginable to interrupt their fight.
The fight will end with a Draw - that's how I see it. It will end with neither of them dying, and the fight being postponed, probably indefinitely.
I've contemplated that too...
Food for thought: I just read a series (which I won't say what it is since this is a major spoiler for the series) where a young boy works his entire life to get revenge on the man who murdered his father (always too weak to kill the guy in a duel but the guy always spares him after their duels) only to have another kill him once he's finally strong enough (but still to stupid to keep his cool in combat). I've been wondering how Clare would take that if she was put in that position. He turned right around and attacked the person who killed him, aiming right at the head with his blades intent to kill. :p After he fails to kill him the character literally quits fighting and all but gives up on life, even not caring that he's become a slave (literally).
Now if anyone wants to ask me if I'm referring to a particular series VM me since I just gave away major spoilers... and no one else should have to find out this with out wanting to know.
DragoZERO
2010-07-16, 12:27
Now you read way more manga than me... since I'm the anime guy who only picked up manga a year ago after reading Claymore. So you've likely seen tons of comedic high schools stuff way better than Angel Densetsu but I didn't read it for it's plot but to better see how the author has developed.I've only been reading manga for a year and a half now actually. I watched the Claymore anime before reading the manga.
I've only been reading manga for a year and a half now actually. I watched the Claymore anime before reading the manga.
:heh: Then you have me beat by 3 months for reading manga. :heh:
Think I've read 9 series so far... (Claymore (all), Ghost in the Shell (all), Berserk (Volumes 1 - 10, likely will continue reading put it down when I was moving so I was just too busy to keep reading it), Full Metal Alchemist (all), Angel Densetsu (all), Vinland Saga (all), Akiria (reading Volume 2 at this very moment), Battle Angel Attia (read first 5 volumes but it got kinda boring with the whole deadly rollerblading sport, might pick it back up)... think that covers it....
Gangsta_Spanksta got me to pick up a few chapters of PunPun and two others but I can't for the life of me recall them :eyespin: one involved girl with split personality with big boobs and each personality knew a different form of martial arts and the other about swords that took on human female shapes when not in combat)
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I too saw Claymore's anime before reading the manga... in fact it was a pause in the DVDs release that caused me to pick up the manga. Lucky for me it was between disc 4 and 5 so I read the battle in the north before watching it.
:heh: Then you have me beat by 3 months for reading manga. :heh:
Think I've read 9 series so far... (Claymore (all), Ghost in the Shell (all), Berserk (Volumes 1 - 10, likely will continue reading put it down when I was moving so I was just too busy to keep reading it), Full Metal Alchemist (all), Angel Densetsu (all), Vinland Saga (all), Akiria (reading Volume 2 at this very moment), Battle Angel Attia (read first 5 volumes but it got kinda boring with the whole deadly rollerblading sport, might pick it back up)... think that covers it....
Gangsta_Spanksta got me to pick up a few chapters of PunPun and two others but I can't for the life of me recall them :eyespin: one involved girl with split personality with big boobs and each personality knew a different form of martial arts and the other about swords that took on human female shapes when not in combat)
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I too saw Claymore's anime before reading the manga... in fact it was a pause in the DVDs release that caused me to pick up the manga. Lucky for me it was between disc 4 and 5 so I read the battle in the north before watching it.
I wonder if most people saw the anime before reading the manga, because i know i did. After i noticed that manga's are better than animes, i stopped my anime spree and read manga, I blame claymore for that.
DragoZERO
2010-07-16, 14:41
:heh: Then you have me beat by 3 months for reading manga. :heh:
Think I've read 9 series so far... (Claymore (all), Ghost in the Shell (all), Berserk (Volumes 1 - 10, likely will continue reading put it down when I was moving so I was just too busy to keep reading it), Full Metal Alchemist (all), Angel Densetsu (all), Vinland Saga (all), Akiria (reading Volume 2 at this very moment), Battle Angel Attia (read first 5 volumes but it got kinda boring with the whole deadly rollerblading sport, might pick it back up)... think that covers it....
Gangsta_Spanksta got me to pick up a few chapters of PunPun and two others but I can't for the life of me recall them :eyespin: one involved girl with split personality with big boobs and each personality knew a different form of martial arts and the other about swords that took on human female shapes when not in combat)I have 46 series in my complete list, 13 dropped, 12 stalled, and am reading 76. :twitch:
I wonder if most people saw the anime before reading the manga, because i know i did. After i noticed that manga's are better than animes, i stopped my anime spree and read manga, I blame claymore for that.I would have raged so much if I read the manga first. You can notice when anime original material starts in any anime because of the sudden decrease in quality. But the Claymore anime end was good until I read the manga, then I realized how much potential that they gave up. It's like Rosario + Vampire anime - nothing like the manga and the manga is so good. The protagonist is a wimp in the anime but gar in the manga. You'd think most people would prefer the gar, I guess the producers and writers disagree.
I have 46 series in my complete list, 13 dropped, 12 stalled, and am reading 76. :twitch:
I would have raged so much if I read the manga first. You can notice when anime original material starts in any anime because of the sudden decrease in quality. But the Claymore anime end was good until I read the manga, then I realized how much potential that they gave up. It's like Rosario + Vampire anime - nothing like the manga and the manga is so good. The protagonist is a wimp in the anime but gar in the manga. You'd think most people would prefer the gar, I guess the producers and writers disagree.
I read over 300 watch 9, 7 completed(Hate reading completed series, tempts meh to skipp to see how it ends, unless they haven't finished translating yet) and 10 completed, I've dropped 3 manga and around 30 animes, I'm very picky. for some reason. But yeah, i didn't like how Claymore ended after i read the manga.
MalakTawus
2010-07-16, 15:38
I agree that this battle could end in a draw with both Claire and Priscilla almost dead.....
Shiek927
2010-07-16, 16:14
I agree that this battle could end in a draw with both Claire and Priscilla almost dead.....
I think the most likely outcome, in an attempt to appease everyone, is like that: a Draw, where Priscilla is "defeated", but Claire does not go in for the kill for whatever reason, whether or not someone stops her.
Sounds alot like the anime, now that I think about it, but, obviously barring Raki who isn't there, something may happen to stop Claire from killing her, but Claire will nevertheless beat Priscilla in combat, so fans won't complain and Claire will perhaps feel better about herself, if only a little.
I don't personally like this, since I've already ranted how I don't want Claire to attain that level of power like that(and if she does, I hope it's temporary); however, I get the feeling this will be the most likely outcome anyway, regardless of my feelings.
Then again, maybe it does end with either or both of them dead(more then likely Priscilla): if it does, I think my interest in the story may lessen to a passing interest, because I don't see how Yagi can develop the story any further without it deviating to unrecognizable territory(again, something i've already gone into).
I think the most likely outcome, in an attempt to appease everyone, is like that: a Draw, where Priscilla is "defeated", but Claire does not go in for the kill for whatever reason, whether or not someone stops her.
Yes, this was something that I anticipated a long time back, and it's something very possible indeed.:)
I don't think Clare will die here. The story is just too focused on her for Yagi to kill the main character... and if Clare dies, what's next? Miria leading the ghosts in a final assault against the Org headquarters? It's unlikely the Org would offer significant resistence, as they've just lost nº 1 and 2, and we've seen already that numbers 3 and 4 (Audrey and Rachel) wouldn't stand a chance against someone like Miria. Maybe Raki could be the man there, but it would be completely stupid that the MiB could turn him into a killing machine in just a few days.
So, regardless of the outcome of this fight, I don't see Clare dead and I also think she won't gain an exaggerate power-up. Indeed, besides the knowledge from Raphaela (which is already a HUGE power-up, maybe not in fighting terms, but I believe it will be very important after the fight against Prissy), I doubt she'll have any more power-ups in what's left of the story.
Over-powered characters, specially protagonists, tend to produce boring stories. Take Aizen in Bleach i.e., he's so over right now everybody knows only Ichigo earning a massive power-up will be able to defeat him... an so, the story becomes predictable. I don't want Claymore to go that way, that's why I agree to Raki becoming a non-aging hybrid but not to becoming a new great power as a result.
So, regardless of the outcome of this fight, I don't see Clare dead and I also think she won't gain an exaggerate power-up. Indeed, besides the knowledge from Raphaela (which is already a HUGE power-up, maybe not in fighting terms, but I believe it will be very important after the fight against Prissy), I doubt she'll have any more power-ups in what's left of the story.
Over-powered characters, specially protagonists, tend to produce boring stories. Take Aizen in Bleach i.e., he's so over right now everybody knows only Ichigo earning a massive power-up will be able to defeat him... an so, the story becomes predictable. I don't want Claymore to go that way, that's why I agree to Raki becoming a non-aging hybrid but not to becoming a new great power as a result.
I would like to see a 2v1 Clare and Raki vs Priscilla. That would be nice. But yeah Kubo basically ruined Bleach by making Aizen that powerful, but then again there are still people where the King is and we don't know how strong they are. But i don't want to see Claymore turn out like that also.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-16, 19:03
I would like to see a 2v1 Clare and Raki vs Priscilla. That would be nice. But yeah Kubo basically ruined Bleach by making Aizen that powerful, but then again there are still people where the King is and we don't know how strong they are. But i don't want to see Claymore turn out like that also.
The problem with Aizen isn't that his too powerful the problem is kubo makes him know everything with a "just like planned" moment. Even the current chapters events which would be impossible to know he again makes a "just like planned" moment.
a 2 v 1 is possible in the future but it would have to be after the orgs defeat (Raki would be able to convince the other hybrids to drop their arms considering his negotiation skills with villagers) rather than before it.
I think many of you saying they don't want Priscilla to lose are really just saying: "I don't want the manga to end".
Simply put, Priscilla must die at some point (and I wont be sorry to see her go), and if this doesn't do it, then NOTHING ever will. A draw is at this point is pointless. I think Claymore will be ending in about a dozen (or so) chapters - just enough time for Priscilla to die, tell Clare about Raki, and Clare take down the Org and rescue the doufus in distress and bring peace to the Island. To drag it out further would be pointless.
Even if Claymore ends soon, look at the bright side - Yagi will be free to write about something else. Whatever it ends up being, I'm sure I'll find that interesting too, and I'll be able to follow it right from chapter one. (And when the 3 year aniversary figure of a popular character comes out from that series I'll go ahead and buy 50 of them and sell them at a 10 to 20 fold mark up 5 years later :p)
evil_kenshin
2010-07-16, 19:41
. To drag it out further would be pointless.
the thing is that doesn't really solve anything, even if they take down the org's forces on the island the mainland would just invade and start again. This is why Rubel said that he couldn't just destroy the island's one it had to be something that happens on both the mainland & island for it to be effective.
so even if they do destroy the org on the island its a temporary solution at best with a re-invasion happening anywhere from 3-4 months (enough time for the org to realise their island forces are gone) after the destruction.
Shiek927
2010-07-16, 20:29
I think many of you saying they don't want Priscilla to lose are really just saying: "I don't want the manga to end".
Simply put, Priscilla must die at some point (and I wont be sorry to see her go), and if this doesn't do it, then NOTHING ever will. A draw is at this point is pointless. I think Claymore will be ending in about a dozen (or so) chapters - just enough time for Priscilla to die, tell Clare about Raki, and Clare take down the Org and rescue the doufus in distress and bring peace to the Island. To drag it out further would be pointless.
You're kind of missing the point.
Tacking on to what evil-kenshin said, unless Yagi is ending the manga soon, it's meaningless to kill Priscilla off. For me, it's mostly a sentimental thing; if she dies, it feels like one of the final bastions that's been around since the beginning of the manga is dead, and Claymore is no longer Claymore: Yagi has made humongous differences in the story recently, and the whole thing seems to be shifting.
So unless the story IS ending very soon, it would be meaningless to kill her off. The only thing it would do, is mark it as the final straw in Claymore's transformation; like I said, some people feel like Claymore has turned into a new chapter with the Abyssal's demise, but if Priscilla dies, I feel it would feel as if the original story has ended entirely; her fate is tied too deeply into Claire's, who is arguably the story's most important character. To kill Priscilla off, and continue the story is just too much. I might as well be reading a new story.
Even if Yagi were to end the story soon, their are too many plot-points left to do, and in a quick-timespan, the story would just even look even more sillier; Claymore would simply become yet another story that was good for the most part, but suffered by another stupid rushed ending; in the past 2 dozen chapters alone, everything has turned upside-down. Killing off Priscilla, and rushing in to save Raki and defeat the Organization would just be the cherry on top the rushed "what-the-hell-happened-to-this-manga" ice-cream that has been brewing since the Ghosts re-emerged and defeated Agatha.
No; the best path, in my opinion, would be to continue to develop everything slowly, and keep the fight at a draw. I'm already also hoping that all this is wrapped up, so we can some sort of a break, and the rushed "action and beautiful artwork>long drawn out story" will reverse and change back to what Claymore was, and should be. I prefer Claymore to continue for another good long while because, yes, I don't want it to end just yet, and for the sake of story ending on a good note rather then a bad one.
I think many of you saying they don't want Priscilla to lose are really just saying: "I don't want the manga to end".
Simply put, Priscilla must die at some point (and I wont be sorry to see her go), and if this doesn't do it, then NOTHING ever will. A draw is at this point is pointless. I think Claymore will be ending in about a dozen (or so) chapters - just enough time for Priscilla to die, tell Clare about Raki, and Clare take down the Org and rescue the doufus in distress and bring peace to the Island. To drag it out further would be pointless.
Even if Claymore ends soon, look at the bright side - Yagi will be free to write about something else. Whatever it ends up being, I'm sure I'll find that interesting too, and I'll be able to follow it right from chapter one. (And when the 3 year aniversary figure of a popular character comes out from that series I'll go ahead and buy 50 of them and sell them at a 10 to 20 fold mark up 5 years later :p)
Yeah i don't think you could end this series in a dozen chapters anyway. I agree with Shiek, it would be a rushed ending, and that would totally fail if it was. I say that Claymore still, at minimum, has a year left or more. I mean why would you end it here. In my opinion, it'd be like trying to end Toriko and One Piece this year. The rushed ending would suck.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-16, 20:55
Yeah i don't think you could end this series in a dozen chapters anyway. I agree with Shiek, it would be a rushed ending, and that would totally fail if it was. I say that Claymore still, at minimum, has a year left or more. I mean why would you end it here. In my opinion, it'd be like trying to end Toriko and One Piece this year. The rushed ending would suck.
well more than a year left to go, assuming yagi is sticking with the 25 volume series plan
when chapter 106 is released we'll have 19 volumes worth of manga, so with 37 chapters (assuming yagi sticks to the 6 chapters a volume his been doing up to now) to go that's 3 and a bit years left to go.
Uhm... a dozen chapters is 1 year. It comes out monthly.
I don't think it would be rushed though. I would be farily consistant with the pace from before the time skip. Before the time skip, we only got: Rabona, Teresa, Slashers, Ophelia, Riful, and the Pieta Arcs.
After the time skip, the manga has almost covered an equal amount of material - though the breaks have been less distinct. In about another dozen chapters, the time skip will mark the half way point of the manga.
As for solving all the open issues, I think that's much a-do about nothing. There is no evidence for any upcoming invasion from the mainland, and even if there ever was, Galatea-sama, Clare and Miria would probably be sufficient to handle them. There is simply nothing left for Yagi to say once Priscilla is dead and the Organization is defeated. So, no Shiek927, I am not missing the point - I AM claiming that I think Claymore is drawing to an end with this conflict. Be honest here - do you believe Yagi would be able to build up any tension or excitement on Clare's and Priscilla's second or thrid rematch if the first one(s) ended as a draw? It'd be cheap. Since I believe Clare cannot lose, and Priscilla must die in the end, the best time to finish her off is now. And, as I agree with you that Teresa's and Priscilla's conflict is one of the things that fuels the manga, then the logical inferene is the story is rapidly heading for a denouemont.
As for the 25 volume "quote", it has been mentioned often, but never sourced. At the very least, it's serveral years old (it was mentioned as an old quote when I started here). Besides, if Yagi ends it within a year or year and a half, that's is about 22 volumes - close enough for a guess that far out.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-16, 22:22
Uhm... a dozen chapters is 1 year. It comes out monthly.
Yagi said in an interview 25 volumes (whether this is the case still or not I don't know), to get to 25 volumes we need 37 chapters (assuming all volumes from now have 6 chapters as they have been for quiet awhile) 37 chapters = 37 months = 3.08 years
I don't think it would be rushed though. I would be farily consistant with the pace from before the time skip. Before the time skip, we only got: Rabona, Teresa, Slashers, Ophelia, Riful, and the Pieta Arcs.
After the time skip, the manga has almost covered an equal amount of material - though the breaks have been less distinct. In about another dozen chapters, the time skip will mark the half way point of the manga.
As for solving all the open issues, I think that's much a-do about nothing. There is no evidence for any upcoming invasion from the mainland, and even if there ever was, Galatea-sama, Clare and Miria would probably be sufficient to handle them. There is simply nothing left for Yagi to say once Priscilla is dead and the Organization is defeated. So, no Shiek927, I am not missing the point - I AM claiming that I think Claymore is drawing to an end with this conflict. Be honest here - do you believe Yagi would be able to build up any tension or excitement on Clare's and Priscilla's second or thrid rematch if the first one(s) ended as a draw? It'd be cheap. Since I believe Clare cannot lose, and Priscilla must die in the end, the best time to finish her off is now. And, as I agree with you that Teresa's and Priscilla's conflict is one of the things that fuels the manga, then the logical inferene is the story is rapidly heading for a denouemont.
There is from the fact that Rubels involvement (Rubel's pretty much confirmation the DoD's are aware of the island and can invade if they wish) and there is no proof that Galatae or Miria (or even Clare for that matter) can beat the DoD's when we have no idea on how strong they are in comparison to AB's or the claymores. The only claymore we have seen fight the DoD's is that male claymore who awakened (and we didn't see the conclusion). For all we know (though its highly unlikely) he could of been Priscilla level since its such an inaccurate way to gauge their power without more knowledge. Same goes for the mainland claymores we have no idea on their strength
I know you hate Raki so you will scoff but Priscilla needs to survive for a conclusion to their relationship. It will leave that side of the story unfinished. Though unless hegemonkhans theory of Priscilla returning to a claymore comes correct I agree she will need to die for what she is.
As for the 25 volume "quote", it has been mentioned often, but never sourced. At the very least, it's serveral years old (it was mentioned as an old quote when I started here). Besides, if Yagi ends it within a year or year and a half, that's is about 22 volumes - close enough for a guess that far out.
I agree it could of changed but there is still so much yagi can do that 25 volumes is a fair enough guess on how long this will go for.
You know I don't like Raki, but there is one thing I will commend him for (I'll have to take a bath afterwards, but hey...) - he did look seriously angry when the MiBs found him from seeing Priscilla eat the villagers in front of his eyes. I don't think there is a need for any heartfelt goodbye between them.
Priscilla will have fulfilled her role and get her slight redemption by telling Clare about Raki before she dies. That will start the all out attack on Org HQ and tie up the loose ends.
I agree with you that we don't know how Claymores will fare against DoDs. My guess is that instead of seeing some full invasion from the mainlands, the MiBs will have one or more of them at HQ as a last line of defense (heck - some might be DoDs that took the MiB side instead of the other side). I think they should be an opponent the ghosts should be able to deal with though - unlike Priscilla (the only way she can die is through Raciella - that's the purpose they exist for).
What I simply don't see is some giant involvement from the mainland. I mean, in 100 years, no one has shown any interest to invade the island, and the ghost have no reason to leave. If the MiBs lose the island despite it having their strongest weapon prototypes, they ought to figure that reclaiming it will be mighty difficult. By defeating Org HQ, I simply see the threat as largely over.
well more than a year left to go, assuming yagi is sticking with the 25 volume series plan
when chapter 106 is released we'll have 19 volumes worth of manga, so with 37 chapters (assuming yagi sticks to the 6 chapters a volume his been doing up to now) to go that's 3 and a bit years left to go.
Good.
You know I don't like Raki, but there is one thing I will commend him for (I'll have to take a bath afterwards, but hey...) - he did look seriously angry when the MiBs found him from seeing Priscilla eat the villagers in front of his eyes. I don't think there is a need for any heartfelt goodbye between them.
Priscilla will have fulfilled her role and get her slight redemption by telling Clare about Raki before she dies. That will start the all out attack on Org HQ and tie up the loose ends.
I agree with you that we don't know how Claymores will fare against DoDs. My guess is that instead of seeing some full invasion from the mainlands, the MiBs will have one or more of them at HQ as a last line of defense (heck - some might be DoDs that took the MiB side instead of the other side). I think they should be an opponent the ghosts should be able to deal with though - unlike Priscilla (the only way she can die is through Raciella - that's the purpose they exist for).
What I simply don't see is some giant involvement from the mainland. I mean, in 100 years, no one has shown any interest to invade the island, and the ghost have no reason to leave. If the MiBs lose the island despite it having their strongest weapon prototypes, they ought to figure that reclaiming it will be mighty difficult. By defeating Org HQ, I simply see the threat as largely over.
Why exactly don't you like Raki? Hes only really done 1 thing since he showed up. Can't really say you don't like him now cause he's only really been in action once.
Oh, that's simple:
jealousy.
Nothing against him personally - seems like a nice enough guy otherwise.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-17, 01:24
Oh, that's simple:
jealousy.
Nothing against him personally - seems like a nice enough guy otherwise.
Now if there's one person you should be jealous of its father vincent he gets to frequently look at your Galatae :p
but about what you said above it would be interesting to see if the MiB's have any defecting DoD's on their side though Rubels reaction to them (or if he can get them back to his side) would also be something i'd be interested in seeing. I have no doubt there is still a few unknown trump cards the org have left to play outside Raki.
Be honest here - do you believe Yagi would be able to build up any tension or excitement on Clare's and Priscilla's second or thrid rematch if the first one(s) ended as a draw?
Whether or not I think he can build up tension on a rematch (and, in truth, I think he probably can), I think that he has no choice. He cannot end the Clare vs. Priscilla fight as it stands, because as it stands it's not a Clare vs. Priscilla fight. Before that fight can be resolved, several things need to happen.
First, one way or another, Clare must recover herself from the Destroyer (possibly by eating it, but I hope not). Two, she must resolve her half-awakened status, either by fully awakening herself or demonstrating that she has sufficient control that she can bring forth the power necessary to defeat Priscilla without awakening. And three, the plot line regarding Raki needs to be tied up, because that plot line is sufficiently central to the story that it should not be left to the denouement.
I don't see Yagi accomplishing all three of those tasks during this fight, which means that I don't see how Yagi can plan on making this current arc the climax. Furthermore, the buildup here doesn't feel like a climax; it feels more like a false climax (to be followed by a brief respite and then the run up to the real thing).
That said, there is another option that I can see for Yagi (which may or may not involve Priscilla's imminent demise): a change of focus. He could choose to not resolve Clare's current predicament, but instead change viewpoint to either Miria or Raki, making Clare the Destroyer the new primary antagonist. If this is the way he chooses to go, then I could see Yagi allowing Prissy to die and still being able to reach a satisfying conclusion.
In either case, though, I don't see this current arc being the ultimate climax of the story.
MalakTawus
2010-07-17, 02:51
I think the most likely outcome, in an attempt to appease everyone, is like that: a Draw, where Priscilla is "defeated", but Claire does not go in for the kill for whatever reason, whether or not someone stops her.
Sounds alot like the anime, now that I think about it, but, obviously barring Raki who isn't there, something may happen to stop Claire from killing her, but Claire will nevertheless beat Priscilla in combat, so fans won't complain and Claire will perhaps feel better about herself, if only a little.
I don't personally like this, since I've already ranted how I don't want Claire to attain that level of power like that(and if she does, I hope it's temporary); however, I get the feeling this will be the most likely outcome anyway, regardless of my feelings.
Then again, maybe it does end with either or both of them dead(more then likely Priscilla): if it does, I think my interest in the story may lessen to a passing interest, because I don't see how Yagi can develop the story any further without it deviating to unrecognizable territory(again, something i've already gone into).
Yes,i think you are right......with the only difference that i'd like an ending for this arc "similar" to the anime (obviously only the concept of that ending where Claire beats Priscilla but chose to not kill her so to not lose her humanity),but that's simply a matter of taste.
I agree also that Claire and Priscilla (and Raki too) are too important for this manga and if they die (well,maybe i could endure Priscilla's death if the org or the dragons introduce some great twist to the story,but still......) i'm sure i'll lose interest.......but to tell the truth i don't really see Claire or Raki dying now,but i'm not so sure about Priscilla.
Be honest here - do you believe Yagi would be able to build up any tension or excitement on Clare's and Priscilla's second or thrid rematch if the first one(s) ended as a draw?
Imo if Claire regain herself,this fight could be their only EPIC fight ending in a draw with both of them almost dead.Maybe the next time they'll meet there will be a lot of tension but thanx to Raki (or a new common enemy) there won't be any other fight at all.
DragoZERO
2010-07-17, 07:47
Maybe the blob will attack Priscilla and then explode spitting Clare and Loli Priscilla out? :heh:
Now if there's one person you should be jealous of its father vincent he gets to frequently look at your Galatae :p
That I agree on 100%, he is one lucky basted.:)
Maybe the blob will attack Priscilla and then explode spitting Clare and Loli Priscilla out? :heh:
That would be funny.
clarakiss~
2010-07-17, 11:25
Maybe the blob will attack Priscilla and then explode spitting Clare and Loli Priscilla out? :heh:
you mean something like, that one movie evolution when that giant alien entity exploding? lol
you mean something like, that one movie evolution when that giant alien entity exploding? lol
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/wuut.png So Raki's going to give her an ennama to save the two of them from a death match!!? http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/wuut.png
Shiek927
2010-07-17, 11:38
you mean something like, that one movie evolution when that giant alien entity exploding? lol
............What? :heh::heh::heh:
What movie is this again? :heh::heh::heh:
DragoZERO
2010-07-17, 13:24
you mean something like, that one movie evolution when that giant alien entity exploding? lolNot exactly. We just need some way to get them to stop this fight and not kill each other.
............What? :heh::heh::heh:
What movie is this again? :heh::heh::heh:Evolution (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0251075/)
Shiek927
2010-07-17, 13:26
Not exactly. We just need some way to get them to stop this fight and not kill each other.
Evolution (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0251075/)
Ryus told me about it; it seems....interesting :heh:
Now if there's one person you should be jealous of its father vincent he gets to frequently look at your Galatae :p
Wanting to be father Vincent (or preferably Cid or Galk) and jealous of him are two different things. Raki is annoying because he gets the hot girls without going after them. I bear no ill will against Cid for example - and he was Clare's first kiss (I found the whole scene very funny and very well done). The fact that Clare gave her second kiss to Raki just to shut him up is another matter entirely though.
And yes - to state the obvious - I do prefer Galatea-sama to Clare.
Whether or not I think he can build up tension on a rematch (and, in truth, I think he probably can), I think that he has no choice. He cannot end the Clare vs. Priscilla fight as it stands, because as it stands it's not a Clare vs. Priscilla fight. Before that fight can be resolved, several things need to happen.
First, one way or another, Clare must recover herself from the Destroyer (possibly by eating it, but I hope not). Two, she must resolve her half-awakened status, either by fully awakening herself or demonstrating that she has sufficient control that she can bring forth the power necessary to defeat Priscilla without awakening. And three, the plot line regarding Raki needs to be tied up, because that plot line is sufficiently central to the story that it should not be left to the denouement.
I don't see Yagi accomplishing all three of those tasks during this fight, which means that I don't see how Yagi can plan on making this current arc the climax. Furthermore, the buildup here doesn't feel like a climax; it feels more like a false climax (to be followed by a brief respite and then the run up to the real thing).
That said, there is another option that I can see for Yagi (which may or may not involve Priscilla's imminent demise): a change of focus. He could choose to not resolve Clare's current predicament, but instead change viewpoint to either Miria or Raki, making Clare the Destroyer the new primary antagonist. If this is the way he chooses to go, then I could see Yagi allowing Prissy to die and still being able to reach a satisfying conclusion.
In either case, though, I don't see this current arc being the ultimate climax of the story.
I said nearing the denouement, but I did not mean that the story is at it's climax just yet (my bad). As you say, I fully expect one more arc after this. The story would indeed feel cheap if the climax of story was based on Clare's revenge against Priscilla. A much better ending is the rescue of he-who-I-will-not-condescend-to-name and a happily ever after ending. To end it with a completed revenge, or even mercy (and justice not carried out), would leave me feeling a bit empty probably (with many of the ill feelings I had at the end of the anime).
As for resolving half-awakened status, I imagine Yagi will have an opportunity to do that shortly. My guess is that it will play a major role on her being seperated again from the destroyer.
Having Clare awaken and become a bad guy would indeed be an interesting twist, but would not make for a very happy ending. I suppose it is possible though - and it could potentially make Clarise hunting for Clare a method for Yagi to bring the story around full circle. We shall have to see I suppose, but I'm hoping for a happier ending.
Shiek927
2010-07-17, 14:23
It's hard to say if their will be a happy ending or not; I would prefer one, but I wouldn't be surprised if their wasn't one.
Yes, having Claire fully-awakening and possibly being the antagonist has always been a possibility. I feel though, with her seemingly inability to do so, that chance has gone....but perhaps she loses herself in Raciella now. Who knows.
Raki is annoying because he gets the hot girls without going after them.
*blink
What about that exactly makes him annoying? 90% of these hot girls don't even know him in canon anyway, let alone chase after him :heh:.
DragoZERO
2010-07-17, 14:34
Wanting to be father Vincent (or preferably Cid or Galk) and jealous of him are two different things. Raki is annoying because he gets the hot girls without going after them. I bear no ill will against Cid for example - and he was Clare's first kiss (I found the whole scene very funny and very well done). The fact that Clare gave her second kiss to Raki just to shut him up is another matter entirely though.Once Cid kiss Clare, I knew there was definitely going to be zero romance in the series. That scene did piss me off though. Not that I think Raki deserved to be the first, I just don't care for Cid.
It's hard to say if their will be a happy ending or not; I would prefer one, but I wouldn't be surprised if their wasn't one.
Yes, having Claire fully-awakening and possibly being the antagonist has always been a possibility. I feel though, with her seemingly inability to do so, that chance has gone....but perhaps she loses herself in Raciella now. Who knows.It is going to be a bitter sweet ending. Characters will die.
Once Cid kiss Clare, I knew there was definitely going to be zero romance in the series. That scene did piss me off though. Not that I think Raki deserved to be the first, I just don't care for Cid.
It is going to be a bitter sweet ending. Characters will die.
That would suck.
I said nearing the denouement, but I did not mean that the story is at it's climax just yet (my bad). As you say, I fully expect one more arc after this. The story would indeed feel cheap if the climax of story was based on Clare's revenge against Priscilla. A much better ending is the rescue of he-who-I-will-not-condescend-to-name and a happily ever after ending. To end it with a completed revenge, or even mercy (and justice not carried out), would leave me feeling a bit empty probably (with many of the ill feelings I had at the end of the anime).
As for resolving half-awakened status, I imagine Yagi will have an opportunity to do that shortly. My guess is that it will play a major role on her being seperated again from the destroyer.
Having Clare awaken and become a bad guy would indeed be an interesting twist, but would not make for a very happy ending. I suppose it is possible though - and it could potentially make Clarise hunting for Clare a method for Yagi to bring the story around full circle. We shall have to see I suppose, but I'm hoping for a happier ending.
While I wouldn't be adverse to a happily-ever-after-with-hugs-and-kisses-and-puppies-and-little-Claymorelings finish to the story, I have to admit that a part of me is rooting for something much darker. As sad as it would be, I think it would be fitting if Yagi decided to go with a Raki-as-sole-survivor ending. Or, maybe even Raki-as-sole-survivor-and-doomed-to-awaken.
That aside, my guess on the timeline is probably at least two arcs remaining, maybe a third. If Yagi goes the happy route, I think it'll be something along the lines of this arc finishing with Prissy killing the destroyer but Clare managing to escape, then an arc involving the Org. and Raki (and probably Clare learning how to awaken and/or control whatever she winds up inheriting from the destroyer), and lastly a Prissy hunting Clare down finish.
Ryus told me about it; it seems....interesting :heh:
It is, and very funny at the same time.:)
You know Pris does kind of remind meh of Aizen from Bleach. Too strong for anyone to handle. But i don't see Claymore heading in the same direction as Bleach. At least i hope not.
You know Pris does kind of remind meh of Aizen from Bleach. Too strong for anyone to handle. But i don't see Claymore heading in the same direction as Bleach. At least i hope not.
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clarakiss~
2010-07-18, 01:24
hey~ is rigaldo the lion in the pic too? on the upper left area.. below (left) the one that looks like ophelia. XD
nah, that's just a speck of dirt. *'ducks and runs from JB* :heh:
nah, that's just a speck of dirt. *'ducks and runs from JB* :heh:
You know that he will catch up to you sooner or later.:heh:
Haha that's a good one Ryus (again :heh:)
That reminded me of something I did long ago with pictures from Bleach and Claymore...I might post it some day...and get killed after that.
And on a more serious note - the climax can't be Prissy getting killed by a giant black blob with the face of Teresa either way you look at it. I mean that would be....bad. But on the other hand at least it won't be as bad as the last fight in the anime. Eh, Prissy's giant green (energy) wings and swords...I miss them :|
So 3 more years? Well I've been reading it for more than 3 years so :heh: still that's a lot of time...and it's only going to seem slower when things get even more interesting
evil_kenshin
2010-07-18, 06:16
.bad. But on the other hand at least it won't be as bad as the last fight in the anime. Eh, Prissy's giant green (energy) wings and swords...I miss them :|
Don't jinx it lol not only the anime but the video game aswell had Priscilla transform into another form outside her AB form (in the case of the video game Priscilla transformed into a ball of pure yoki)
Priscilla shouldn't transform to another AB form or a ball of pure yoki in the manga it would be weird :heh:
Haha that's a good one Ryus (again :heh:)
That reminded me of something I did long ago with pictures from Bleach and Claymore...I might post it some day...and get killed after that.
And on a more serious note - the climax can't be Prissy getting killed by a giant black blob with the face of Teresa either way you look at it. I mean that would be....bad. But on the other hand at least it won't be as bad as the last fight in the anime. Eh, Prissy's giant green (energy) wings and swords...I miss them :|
So 3 more years? Well I've been reading it for more than 3 years so :heh: still that's a lot of time...and it's only going to seem slower when things get even more interesting
Don't jinx it lol not only the anime but the video game aswell had Priscilla transform into another form outside her AB form (in the case of the video game Priscilla transformed into a ball of pure yoki)
Priscilla shouldn't transform to another AB form or a ball of pure yoki in the manga it would be weird :heh:
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/pictureem0.gif Manga Priscilla would kill Anime Priscilla and the stupid blob on general principle. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/pictureem0.gif
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/198/4/9/Priscilla_by_nooblar.jpg
DragoZERO
2010-07-18, 08:52
hey~ is rigaldo the lion in the pic too? on the upper left area.. below (left) the one that looks like ophelia. XD
It's like looking at clouds - you see something different every time. :heh:
Don't jinx it lol not only the anime but the video game aswell had Priscilla transform into another form outside her AB form (in the case of the video game Priscilla transformed into a ball of pure yoki)
Priscilla shouldn't transform to another AB form or a ball of pure yoki in the manga it would be weird :heh:
No, no there is really no way it could possibly be worse than that. I don't know about you but during that fighting scene (especially when I was watching it for a second time) I was laughing out loud. The animation quility was good and all but the whole thing just killed the story right there.
And Prissy transforms into a ball of pure yoki? Now that would be cool...a giant blob fighting a giant ball :heh: Something's not right here.
Weird wouldn't be the first thing that comes to mind...try something like insane?
Though in a blob vs ball fight I think the blob would porbably win.....
@:Ryus that looks really good. It's almost like a photo mostly the face and the out of focus tentacles. Great find
FormerAbyssalone
2010-07-18, 13:08
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/pictureem0.gif Manga Priscilla would kill Anime Priscilla and the stupid blob on general principle. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/pictureem0.gif
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/198/4/9/Priscilla_by_nooblar.jpg
I like Priscilla's awakned form right now and I don't want it 2 change in any way, shape or form.:)
BTW: That Priscilla pic is just...:twitch::twitch: How did they do it? Did they draw it? either way its insanly good.:D
clarakiss~
2010-07-18, 18:23
btw.. wouldn't prissy get more powerful if she gets overtaken by the rods? maybe by then, her awakened form would also be different too.
btw.. wouldn't prissy get more powerful if she gets overtaken by the rods? maybe by then, her awakened form would also be different too.
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/43h7r5d.gif...
Well... she's too strong to get infected by a rod. Though as a thought exercise if the rod was strong enough to infect her, such as The Destroyer gaining a powerup strong enough to offset Priscilla's strength, then yes. However, The Destroyers new form doesn't appear the type to fire rods anymore. She'd need a new way to infect Priscilla and therefore change her form. http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv162/LordRyus/Smilies%20Other/upset1.png This Destroyer seems to care more about absorbing than destroying.
irvinethearcher
2010-07-18, 19:10
While I wouldn't be adverse to a happily-ever-after-with-hugs-and-kisses-and-puppies-and-little-Claymorelings finish to the story, I have to admit that a part of me is rooting for something much darker. As sad as it would be, I think it would be fitting if Yagi decided to go with a Raki-as-sole-survivor ending. Or, maybe even Raki-as-sole-survivor-and-doomed-to-awaken.
That aside, my guess on the timeline is probably at least two arcs remaining, maybe a third. If Yagi goes the happy route, I think it'll be something along the lines of this arc finishing with Prissy killing the destroyer but Clare managing to escape, then an arc involving the Org. and Raki (and probably Clare learning how to awaken and/or control whatever she winds up inheriting from the destroyer), and lastly a Prissy hunting Clare down finish.
You two have completely forgotten the twin goddess theme and theresa:frustrated::heh:
Well, lets say that if she is weakened enough like the fight with Clare before, in the anime I guess, and is no longer able to retain her awakened form and reverts back to her human form. But she is quite capable of inflicting a fair amount of damage to her fores even in her human from now isn't she. So the point her really is fatigue and getting weak.:)
Shiek927
2010-07-18, 20:35
The problem is, who on earth can deliver THAT kind of damage to her? She was grazed in the shoulder by Raciella, but she never showed any sort of sign this chapter....it could be a delayed sort of thing, but we'll have to wait and see.
FormerAbyssalone
2010-07-18, 21:00
It has 2 effect Priscilla, I don't see why it wouldn't. Agreed with u Shiek we'll just have 2 wait.:D:D:eyespin:
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Lol Hilarious
Good news... guys! :D
Just looked at the RAW (found by Gooral, give him your thanks for finding it) and it says the next issue is coming out in the September issue of Jump Square which as most of us know by know comes out late July/early August. BTW he's given this to gernot and he'll soon being doing his own translation of it (don't know where he'll post it though :heh:... to the best of my knowledge it will not be a scan and solely a translation). (followed by the Yagi interview Cyclone posted, which can be posted here (supplementary page) thanks to Solace) I don't have a time frame on this though.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-19, 05:43
Good news... guys! :D
Just looked at the RAW (found by Gooral, give him your thanks for finding it) and it says the next issue is coming out in the September issue of Jump Square which as most of us know by know comes out late July/early August. BTW he's given this to gernot and he'll soon being doing his own translation of it (don't know where he'll post it though :heh:). (followed by the Yagi interview Cyclone posted, which can be posted here (supplementary page) thanks to Solace) I don't have a time frame on this though.
the raw of 105? seems a bit latish for 105 isn't it?
FormerAbyssalone
2010-07-19, 10:26
Anyone got any ideas for whats gonna happen next chap?:) Do u think will see what became of Miria and the others?:)O_o
the raw of 105? seems a bit latish for 105 isn't it?
Very latish... :mad:... but at least it's finally been found. :D
clarakiss~
2010-07-19, 17:37
it's a bummer that all of the well-known male awakened beings have all but perished. *sighs* but wat i don't get is.. how.. oh how we kept seeing from out of the blue, unknown awaken males. :o are the org secretly making them (just like how they make normal yoma) and releasing them so that the claymores have something challenging to fight? :confused:
evil_kenshin
2010-07-19, 18:18
it's a bummer that all of the well-known male awakened beings have all but perished. *sighs* but wat i don't get is.. how.. oh how we kept seeing from out of the blue, unknown awaken males. :o are the org secretly making them (just like how they make normal yoma) and releasing them so that the claymores have something challenging to fight? :confused:
while I agree in their making more AB's it seems stupid they don't keep them at org hq. They want AF's, the most simplest & easiest method is raise new claymores force them to awaken let the current gen kill them then you have easy flesh (Saves trouble trying to locate AB's)
while I agree in their making more AB's it seems stupid they don't keep them at org hq. They want AF's, the most simplest & easiest method is raise new claymores force them to awaken let the current gen kill them then you have easy flesh (Saves trouble trying to locate AB's)
(Taking a break from coloring :heh:, working on my 3rd image of the day... and this one is FAR more "busy" than the last two. 6 characters and a city to color. :heh: Gotta say though Galatea is coming along nicely :D)
:uhoh: Wouldn't it just be easier to gather up hellcat remains... Dae did say their effects would be the same as any other awakened being. Plus now with The Destroyer not firing endless more waves collecting them is far safer. Not to mention gathering them up is a time limited window... they won't be salvageable forever.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-20, 00:06
(Taking a break from coloring :heh:, working on my 3rd image of the day... and this one is FAR more "busy" than the last two. 6 characters and a city to color. :heh: Gotta say though Galatea is coming along nicely :D)
:uhoh: Wouldn't it just be easier to gather up hellcat remains... Dae did say their effects would be the same as any other awakened being. Plus now with The Destroyer not firing endless more waves collecting them is far safer. Not to mention gathering them up is a time limited window... they won't be salvageable forever.
True but I guess from now on Raki will be the orgs experiment and Dae hasn't shown any interest in the hellcats flesh :heh:
Even if the org was not defeated I believe this gen of claymores would probably be the last in terms of an active force.
The org are branching out to different experiments AF's and now Raki + whatever else they have lurking inside the org hq (whatever is making yoma , yoma used during the trainee's graduation tests, side experiments, AB's for test purposes/dealing with rogue claymores).
Throne Invader
2010-07-20, 06:59
Miria and he rest and Rabona haven't mentioned for a long time now. I'm looking forward to when Yagi gets back to them.
True but I guess from now on Raki will be the orgs experiment and Dae hasn't shown any interest in the hellcats flesh :heh:
Pretty much reminds me of Resident Evil Apocalypse, where they would take max to experiment upon and create the Nemesis.:)
Wondering everyone's thoughts on what will likely be next chapters massive fight between Clare the Destroyer and Priscilla. I'm leaning towards an epic fight that won't in anyway shape or form be concluded by next chapters end... :upset: but will end with Priscilla's victory over Clare (but Clare surviving the fight).... the odds of this I see as no greater than 60% but it's what my gut is telling me so it's what I'm going with :heh: I've been saying since ch 93 Clare would remerge with The Destroyer but how and why it happened wasn't at all what I was thinking... So I don't feel the right to place my odds higher than 60% :eyespin:
I'm really hoping both Clare and Priscilla will express some heated words to one another during the fight or just after (thoughts will do but I'd prefer words with passion in them in this case). Since I really want to know what's going on inside both of their heads but I wanna see some drama too. :eyespin:
Like is Clare fighting solely to avenge Teresa, for feeling so cowardly when Priscilla was awakening, cause she's placed all the rage of an excruciating life on Priscilla shoulders, cause she just needs to settle there score before dying herself, cause of some hidden guilt beyond what Irene mentioned (like Clare seeing Priscilla reaching for her sword but was to scared to even speak), can she ever be at peace if she wins this fight or is it all a distraction and a way to hide from what's really bugging her, etc... In short what does she hope to gain from this and to what end was she hoping for. I think Clare is truly hiding some thoughts that she's not shared with anyone and we only have conflicting lines of what it could be... I get it she likely doesn't fully understand it all herself but a revelation of what's shes been doing all this for could be amazing for us as viewers.
For Priscilla does she even fully have that memory back, is she still hiding from it, She's yet to mention Teresa's name so does she know that Clare is her legacy or just linked to that memory some how, does it matter either way to her, does she think that killing Clare will somehow prove to herself she's no longer terrified of Teresa (and if so will she want Clare to become even stronger so she can fight her as a equal having some sense of honor/logic or does she just want to grind Clare to dust based on an emotional whim), when/will she realize Clare is controlling the Destroyers actions and who will she react to it, etc... like wise why does she think fighting Clare is beneficial and what does she really think the gains of such a fight are? I mean does she really think just killing Clare will put her mind at peace and/or bring back her memories? I suspect it's something deeper than anything said so far.
Will Raki ever be brought up in their fight or after it? I'm kinda hoping no but then again it's all about how Yagi plays it out. :heh:
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Now... I've had countless scenarios run through my head and I'll share just one since things are going so slow right now (feel free to do the same with your ideas, I hoping this will kick start another topic on the thread. Go crazy with your idea and don't fear people calling it stupid, the goal here is to help you better understand your own thoughts and putting mind to keyboard is a great way to that ;)). One coming to mind at the moment is... Priscilla winning but sparing Clare since she comes to realize Clare hasn't fully unleashed all of Teresa (not saying she'll come back... just that Clare still isn't at her level yet and therefore not what Priscilla wants to kill). Clare beaten an broken on the ground barely conscious and crying her eyes out over her defeat watching Priscilla spare her. Then when Priscilla is about to leave she recalls Raki was seeking her and decides to bring Clare to him (thinking he's going to awaken, if he hasn't already and join her as an AB) only to get there and to see the orgs men still scouring the village studying the scene. Needless to say this is how both Clare and Priscilla find out about Raki, after Priscilla tortures them to death for answers then eats some guts as Clare watches, leading us to the next arc... with Miria and Rabona gang approaching org HQ.
DragoZERO
2010-07-21, 13:55
I don't even bother trying to come up with anything that specific. No matter what, Yagi will surprise us.
No one saw Teresa dying, now did they.
I don't even bother trying to come up with anything that specific. No matter what, Yagi will surprise us.
No one saw Teresa dying, now did they.
But where's the fun in that!!? Half the fun is Yagi proving just why he's the story teller here and beating down all our stupid ideas that we spent a month debating with the next chapter. Then we all look at each other and go "SUPERB" http://www.ilona-andrews.com/forum/Smileys/default/lion-smiley.gif http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Animals/mini-lion.gif http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Animals/lion-0112.gif http://www.myemoticons.com/images/animals/safari/lion-4.gif http://www.acofunstop.com/forums/images/smilies/lion.gif
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Ryus those are some great ideas there.
I personally like your last one up to the point where they both go after Raki. I mean no one wants to see Raki right now :heh: And I doubt Prissy will be that friendly.
However the first part seems very likely. When Prissy was talking to Deneve just prior to being target by CtD she said that "that person" couldn't be so easily killed otherwise she wouldn't have been going after it. Right now she has no idea if Clare merged with it or not since they told her Clare was killed by it. Prissy was sort of looking for a fair fight for some reason. If that wasn't the case she could have killed Clare a lot of times yet she didn't even try but instead she was observing her. And she didn't try to kill neither Helen nor Deneve at that point even though she could have killed them all in an instant. Basically she wants to see the one who has that scent connected to her past and holding the key to her memories
release her full power and fight her.
It's interesting how Prissy doesn't really want to fight things a lot weaker than her and only kills them when they attack her. She really seems like the type that doesn't want to hurt innocent people/ABs(humans) except for her specific targets (though she went for Riful on purpose for some reason)
And yes even if we're wrong especially the last couple of chapters it's still fun and it helps the time pass by faster :p
Oh and actually "saw" Teresa dying when Irene and the rest arrived in the town though at the end of that fight I thought she would be ok. And after Prissy went after her with all that power I was really hoping Teresa wouldn't die since I was really afraid that was going to happen...and then Teresa was holding her gorund against Prissy without a problem and I was so happy the danger passed especially at the part where Prissy broke down crying...and Bam Teresa died :| so yes in a sense I didn't see that coming at all yet I feared it might happen :heh:
Shiek927
2010-07-21, 15:31
I don't even bother trying to come up with anything that specific. No matter what, Yagi will surprise us.
No one saw Teresa dying, now did they.
:confused: I did...
Really; I kind of saw that as predictable. Seeing Teresa and her power more and more, I couldn't figure out how the manga would continue without dead. I think it also became more and more obvious that Claire would take in Teresa's flesh.
Now, I didn't know how they would happen, but I think It was kind of predictable....
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As for your question Ryus, I pretty much answered it here:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3143988&postcount=391
Ryus those are some great ideas there.
I personally like your last one up to the point where they both go after Raki. I mean no one wants to see Raki right now :heh: And I doubt Prissy will be that friendly.
However the first part seems very likely. When Prissy was talking to Deneve just prior to being target by CtD she said that "that person" couldn't be so easily killed otherwise she wouldn't have been going after it. Right now she has no idea if Clare merged with it or not since they told her Clare was killed by it. Prissy was sort of looking for a fair fight for some reason. If that wasn't the case she could have killed Clare a lot of times yet she didn't even try but instead she was observing her. And she didn't try to kill neither Helen nor Deneve at that point even though she could have killed them all in an instant. Basically she wants to see the one who has that scent connected to her past and holding the key to her memories
release her full power and fight her.
It's interesting how Prissy doesn't really want to fight things a lot weaker than her and only kills them when they attack her. She really seems like the type that doesn't want to hurt innocent people/ABs(humans) except for her specific targets (though she went for Riful on purpose for some reason)
And yes even if we're wrong especially the last couple of chapters it's still fun and it helps the time pass by faster :p
Oh and actually "saw" Teresa dying when Irene and the rest arrived in the town though at the end of that fight I thought she would be ok. And after Prissy went after her with all that power I was really hoping Teresa wouldn't die since I was really afraid that was going to happen...and then Teresa was holding her gorund against Prissy without a problem and I was so happy the danger passed especially at the part where Prissy broke down crying...and Bam Teresa died :| so yes in a sense I didn't see that coming at all yet I feared it might happen :heh:
:heh: I didn't saw they both go after Raki. I said Priscilla brings Clare to that town and they both discover he's been taken by the org. I drew no conclusions after that. I think I took a big enough "risk" by posting that theory. :eyespin: Anyways, you and me seem to be thinking along a similar line of thought though about how this will play out.
It's clear to me Yagi has set up some internal conflict in each of them (just before and during there fight) and clearly either a resolution and/or understanding prior to a resolution must be reached for at least one of them before either of them can die and/or this fight ends.
Yes, I find Priscilla's actions of late very curious. She truly wants something from Clare that can't be gained by just killing her quickly. Supposedly her memories are back in full or at least full enough that she no longer cares about remembering it all. So clearly she either lying to herself about not wanting all of her memories or she wants something else from this be it her humanity, a resolution to this painful event in her past that she can be satisfied with, or something else entirely.
Clare, to me, just needs to emotionally settle her past and find some peace. I still fully believe that is what she is looking for, just to be able to smile again like she did with Teresa. I see Raphaela's life as a warning to Clare of what happens if she keeps walking down the road she is on. Now I'm not saying Clare won't stop trying to kill Priscilla (in fact I still hope she does... anyways off topic), just that Clare deep down isn't looking for death after she settles her past unlike Raphaela was. Raki is the logical choice of whom Clare could be happy with after all this but time will tell if it actually happens or if just having come to this realization finds out the Raki she knew is now gone.
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Now I didn't see Teresa's death since I was so enraptured with the story I just couldn't stop watching the anime... It's rare when I get that sucked into a story that I stop analyzing it and just enjoy it. Now I did believe before hand that she was severally over powered and something would have to dramatically change to keep the story going... I just never put thought into what that could be since I wanted to enjoy the surprise.
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Come on Shiek... :heh: ... the purpose of the post was to just start another conversation. Not to post an old post you did last week and be done with it. :heh:
People have said all they cared to about that post, now lets try to get things moving again with a new post... even if just reworded. :eyespin:
DragoZERO
2010-07-21, 17:24
:confused: I did...
Really; I kind of saw that as predictable. Seeing Teresa and her power more and more, I couldn't figure out how the manga would continue without dead. I think it also became more and more obvious that Claire would take in Teresa's flesh.
Now, I didn't know how they would happen, but I think It was kind of predictable....
Must be me watching the anime first, marathon style, that did it. I wasn't thinking at all about the future and I wasn't even sure if that Clare was the same as the one we had met earlier.
Shiek927
2010-07-21, 18:54
Come on Shiek... ... the purpose of the post was to just start another conversation. Not to post an old post you did last week and be done with it.
People have said all they cared to about that post, now lets try to get things moving again with a new post... even if just reworded.
You seem to be doing a pretty good job of doing that for me, since I agree with your posts :).
You seem to be doing a pretty good job of doing that for me, since I agree with your posts :).
:uhoh:
Good job... only one person has really responded :heh: A good job is a fire story of replies. :eyespin: The goal was to get us to discuss our thoughts on what will happen next
Come on I didn't type all that for a pat on the back and a I agree... I did it so we'd all discuss our thoughts. Even if we have the same basic idea maybe I didn't think of something you did. So share your thoughts, as crazy as they maybe and with as much detail as possible. :D;):D
A heated debate between Clare and Priscilla before the epic fight, not so much likely I think, sure , maybe a word or two, it would be very much like Prissy, but Clare would go on and on. So, I think maybe, a word or two and then they would probably start with Clare going for the first blow.:)
And I do agree with @Drago on this particular unpredictability of the claymore upcoming chapters.:) No one saw Teresa dying at the time but she did, and nor did they see ghostly images of Clare, Teresa and Ophi-chan emerging out from the darkly discharge of the Destroyer.:)
A heated debate between Clare and Priscilla before the epic fight, not so much likely I think, sure , maybe a word or two, it would be very much like Prissy, but Clare would go on and on. So, I think maybe, a word or two and then they would probably start with Clare going for the first blow.:)Yeah, I think there will be some actual fighting again. It'd be a huge let down if Prissy goes one-hitting again and then flies off.
I kind of see a pretty much pure action packed chapter with a surprise or twist at the end. And some inserts of the shocked onlookers :heh:
Yeah, I think there will be some actual fighting again. It'd be a huge let down if Prissy goes one-hitting again and then flies off.
I swear, if Priscilla bury Clare in the dust like last time:frustrated:,.....:):heh:
Yeah, I think there will be some actual fighting again. It'd be a huge let down if Prissy goes one-hitting again and then flies off.
I kind of see a pretty much pure action packed chapter with a surprise or twist at the end. And some inserts of the shocked onlookers :heh:
I said I see a massive fight next chapter that won't really conclude anything (so no one hitting Clare)... the rest of what I was talking about was after 106. So I guess we agree about next chapter :heh: Over all though I see Clare being not able to move anymore and Priscilla getting weakened enough for even her to notice but not quite as bad as Isley after he beat Luciela.
As to the dialog, could be during the fight or after... Like Priscilla and Clare having a quid pro quo after one or the losses or one says something that sets the other off... etc. I just see Yagi introducing these unsettled thoughts Priscilla's been having and Clare not sensing Jeans effect on her as signs that she doesn't get what she truly wants. Suspect these will become more important soon.
So let me ask you... what do you two see beyond this next chapter... and how this arc will conclude
Shiek927
2010-07-21, 22:18
:heh: :heh: :heh:
One think I think has been gravely missing for a long time is thoughts...I would love to see what on earth is going through Claire's mind so we can at least get some accurate ideas on everything, and the same for Priscilla. Facing off in silence, it would be cool if we can see what both of them were thinking and why they were both doing this, and compare.
I get the feeling that if Priscilla starts with the chit-chat, Claire will continue to not respond - her boiling hatred would continue to not even speak and just focus on attacking. When it comes to fighting, it makes sense since she probably thinks Priscilla is just trying to distract her. Her need to focus might actually prevent any talking from occurring between them at all.
Getting Claire to say two words is tricky...I get the feeling she won't murmur unless she had a reason above all else to do so, so if something DID involve Raki, she may converse. Other then screaming, battle-cries and what not, I doubt she will say much of anything.
Ryus, I didn't say we disagree :D
I also find the chances very low for Claire to talk much, since I guess that not losing her mind and taking control of the Destroyer pudding takes a lot of concentration. I think we'll only hear some Godzilla sounds from her, while Prissy might say a few lines à la "It's been a while", but those won't have much substance either.
:heh: I didn't saw they both go after Raki. I said Priscilla brings Clare to that town and they both discover he's been taken by the org. I drew no conclusions after that. I think I took a big enough "risk" by posting that theory. :eyespin: Anyways, you and me seem to be thinking along a similar line of thought though about how this will play out.
I know,I know but Prissy bringing Clare to that town is kind of going after him (or more like back to him :heh:). For that to happen Clare has to have a really sudden change of heart from "I'm going to abandon my humanity so I can kill you" to "hey you didn't kill me could you show where Raki is?" I just see it as highly unlikely. Though if we really get to that point I'm quite sure they'll both go searching for him. I still can't believe Prissy doesn't care about him at all. To say the least she kept him alive.
It's clear to me Yagi has set up some internal conflict in each of them (just before and during there fight) and clearly either a resolution and/or understanding prior to a resolution must be reached for at least one of them before either of them can die and/or this fight ends.
I agree but even that won't be enough to let one of them die at this point. If it happens now everything else will be just like a walk in the park for the most part and besides as many have said already there are too many things to resolve before we reach the actual climax for it to be at it's full potential. Though Yagi always has a way of doing things none of us predicted (for the most part)
Yes, I find Priscilla's actions of late very curious. She truly wants something from Clare that can't be gained by just killing her quickly. Supposedly her memories are back in full or at least full enough that she no longer cares about remembering it all. So clearly she either lying to herself about not wanting all of her memories or she wants something else from this be it her humanity, a resolution to this painful event in her past that she can be satisfied with, or something else entirely.
Well she wanted to kill Clare so she could remember. After that she remembered almost everything (except Teresa's face...probably) while Dauf was attacking her. After that I have no idea what Prissy wanted to do and why since at that point the reason why she first wanted to kill Clare (and yet didn't really try to kill her but more like capture her and tease her for some reason :heh: )
Maybe when Prissy remembered all the feelings she had while fighting Teresa she decided that she now wants to conquer them and for that she needs fight "that person again". In other wors she might be trying to conquer her worst fears and prove to herself something (?) As you said there might be a lot of reasons.
Clare, to me, just needs to emotionally settle her past and find some peace. I still fully believe that is what she is looking for, just to be able to smile again like she did with Teresa. I see Raphaela's life as a warning to Clare of what happens if she keeps walking down the road she is on. Now I'm not saying Clare won't stop trying to kill Priscilla (in fact I still hope she does... anyways off topic), just that Clare deep down isn't looking for death after she settles her past unlike Raphaela was. Raki is the logical choice of whom Clare could be happy with after all this but time will tell if it actually happens or if just having come to this realization finds out the Raki she knew is now gone.
Yeah she needed to to that a long time ago if you ask me. She's just like that - keeping everything to herself. Even after spending 7 years with the ghost (and that's a lot of time - they should have become more like a family at this point) Yuma said that she didn't quite understand Clare. Maybe Clare is too scared of getting hurt again but after what happend to Jean she should have realized that even if you try no to get attached to anyone you actually do and if you try to avoid those people and pretend you don't really care you'll probably just miss out on the happy moments and still get hurt in the end.
And when you mentioned Raphaela...we still have no idea what she told Clare in the end and it will probably turn up in the next chapter. Maybe it was just that - not to make the same mistakes as her...simple as that.
Problem is Clare is sort of brainwashing herself to think that her only reason to live is to kill Prissy and she tries to shut everyone out...and that can't happen unless she went to live in a cave somwhere on her own until the day she met Prissy agian and tried to kill her (so yes basically it can't happen :heh: )
Now I didn't see Teresa's death since I was so enraptured with the story I just couldn't stop watching the anime... It's rare when I get that sucked into a story that I stop analyzing it and just enjoy it. Now I did believe before hand that she was severally over powered and something would have to dramatically change to keep the story going... I just never put thought into what that could be since I wanted to enjoy the surprise.
Oh believe me I wasn't analyzing it at all at that point. It was the first manga I've ever read and I had no idea where things would go in the next chapter let alone thing that Teresa was overpowered and how that would change the story in the long run :heh:
I guess I tend to get scared for the charecters I get attached to when they are in a dangerous situation. But hey right when I though oh it's all ok she got killed so... :heh:
And about the fight next chapter. I think that we'll either hear comments from Deneve and the rest (which at that point will be just guessing and I don't really like to see that) or we'll see what Clare or Prissy is really thinking about. It surely won't be just a simple fight (provided it isn't one-sided and someone wins in 2 pages and starts talking...that can't happen can it? :heh: )
Inner thoughts or comments are more likely than a direct dialog since neither Prissy nor Clare can express their feelings in words very well.
Well to me, Claire always seemed the type to need family to keep her "willful loner" nature under control. Miria more than anyone else seems to understand Claire, which is surprising, considering Claire's nature is closest to that of Helen/Deneve.
In case anyone missed it, apparently the Japanese manga publishers told onemanga.com to remove all scanlations from their site. I've seen them also hit other sites as well, so it appears that in about a week's time, the onemanga site will be officially toast. I'm hoping Animesuki doesn't get annihilated by them as well, but who knows?
Shiek927
2010-07-22, 15:19
In case anyone missed it, apparently the Japanese manga publishers told onemanga.com to remove all scanlations from their site. I've seen them also hit other sites as well, so it appears that in about a week's time, the onemanga site will be officially toast. I'm hoping Animesuki doesn't get annihilated by them as well, but who knows?
You mean all of them? not just certain ones this time?
Well, choosing my words wisely, that's a big deal. As for this website, I doubt it will be affected since it's not like anything is actually hosted here, but then again, who knows indeed.
They can't attack message boards. Specially ones like AS which have set rules for linking and posting licensed stuff.
I really hope they leave a certain high quality scanlation side be .. they host the chapters only until volume release anyway.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-22, 18:52
In case anyone missed it, apparently the Japanese manga publishers told onemanga.com to remove all scanlations from their site. I've seen them also hit other sites as well, so it appears that in about a week's time, the onemanga site will be officially toast. I'm hoping Animesuki doesn't get annihilated by them as well, but who knows?
the reason that happened I believe is due to they were in the mainstream news regarding being in the top 1000 sites visited (curse google for releasing that report) with like 4. something million unique visitors a month.
As soon as that happened its like waving a red flag at a bull, its bound to charge (i know its not just red but in any case :heh: )
OM got to big for its own good.
You mean all of them? not just certain ones this time?
Well, choosing my words wisely, that's a big deal. As for this website, I doubt it will be affected since it's not like anything is actually hosted here, but then again, who knows indeed.
Yes, I mean ALL of them. I was informed of this when I went over to the onemanga site by their own notification. It's an official site-shutdown, so you can kiss the days of onemanga being a great site to read stuff online goodbye. Interesting side note-I have not heard anything about them shutting down their sister site, 1000manga, which hosts the mature mangas separately from the onemanga site. It'll be interesting to see how far the publishers are willing to go to crack down on their fans.
If they're anything like the RIAA, we could all be seeing some lawsuits. Oh dear indeed!
You mean all of them? not just certain ones this time?
Well, choosing my words wisely, that's a big deal. As for this website, I doubt it will be affected since it's not like anything is actually hosted here, but then again, who knows indeed.
Yes apperantly all of them...including the ones not licensed in English...for who knows what reason...
And AS has no problem with that since you can't view/read/watch anything here nor even post a link to it in general (except a page or panel to show something in a dicussion but that doesn't count - not even translation are allowed..so it's all good)
Anyways let's not get into that since this isn't the place.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-22, 22:32
If they're anything like the RIAA, we could all be seeing some lawsuits. Oh dear indeed!
it would prove a bit harder for them to do it though. Unlike OM, torrents have a list of ip's (what anti-p2p groups do is have a computer regullary take screenshots of all the connected ip's)
thankfully for me madman entertainment (Australia's distributor of anime & manga) hosts most of the new anime i watch on their main page (including high school of the dead :) )
now if only they would start hosting manga too (and bleach) then I would never need to download stuff again from any questionable site :heh:
Guess I should have read more manga these last few months and watched less anime... :/
Suppose I should start picking up my reading of manga before other sites follow suit. (holding back other comments... like me buying what I read online YET... you know what I'm going to say here...)
Guess I should have read more manga these last few months and watched less anime... :/
Suppose I should start picking up my reading of manga before other sites follow suit. (holding back other comments... like me buying what I read online YET... you know what I'm going to say here...)
Quite frankly I can guess. The big issue with the clampdown is that a number of the series affected are not even available for purchase in US stores or anywhere outside of Japan. Or at least they're hard to find. The most maddening part of it all is that series like Claymore, which ought to be up-to-date for both English and Japanese volumes, instead lag disastrously behind in English volume releases. This might be tolerable were the translations impeccable, but they are not, thus spawning the very market these publishers' lawyers work so hard to shut down.
I mean, honestly, who wants to be stuck debating shoddy translations from Volume 16 chapters that were released over a year ago? I know I don't.
Quite frankly I can guess. The big issue with the clampdown is that a number of the series affected are not even available for purchase in US stores or anywhere outside of Japan. Or at least they're hard to find. The most maddening part of it all is that series like Claymore, which ought to be up-to-date for both English and Japanese volumes, instead lag disastrously behind in English volume releases. This might be tolerable were the translations impeccable, but they are not, thus spawning the very market these publishers' lawyers work so hard to shut down.
I mean, honestly, who wants to be stuck debating shoddy translations from Volume 16 chapters that were released over a year ago? I know I don't.
BTW that's about 2 years out of date... (do they really think all the already built fan base will just wait patiently for it until then)
What's worse is Movies, tv shows, and books get official translations (subs, dubs, or translations) rather quickly in the vast majority of cases... yet the publishers of manga seem to want us to learn Japanese and move to Japan to enjoy what they're yelling at us to buy. :eyespin: We can't buy it until they supply it. Plus the popular movies, TV shows and Movies always have the translations for the major languages ready upon release... sure Claymore doesn't quite fit this topseller catagory but it was in the top 20 for online reading so it should be ready within a week or two... (I mean buying an ebook version of it... WHICH I'D DO BTW!)
I'll try to shut up about this topic... again... :heh:
That's a bit of bad news... RIP OM.
Ah well - I guess it's back to downloading the individual chapter releases direct from the scanlators websites for now.
The sad part is that OM allowed people to get exposed to series they never would be exposed to otherwise. With this one stroke of brilliance, they will kill their fanbase. I'm afraid manga is not popular enough that the genre with survive their efforts efforts to kill it (unlike similar efforts with popular music and movies). Gradually, the number of people reading manga will dwindle to a point where series not quite as popular as Naruto, Bleach, or One Piece, will no longer be ecconomically viable to be released here at all. Afterall, why would a company buy the rights to sell and distribute something like "Claymore" or "Yakitate!! Japan" if the total potential readership of the genre is measured only in the 10s to 100s of thousands. Even the series that survive will have severely crippled readership. Foreign sales will go back to the level they were at in the 1990s or early 2000s. This is probably the single best thing the Japanese market could do to kill their legal foreign sales. When they finally realize just how badly they shot themselves in the foot, it'll be too late. What a bunch of total bakas. Let's hope a twomanga or something will appear before all this happens.
Ah well - nice to have been with you all during what will someday become to be known as the golden age of manga. It's been fun.
I'd suggest writing letters to VIZ...The Manga industry is truly shooting itself in the foot here. I would have never discovered any of the anime/manga I have read/watched without these websites.
...I always read/watch/play media before I decide to purchase it. Too often garbage is released to the public, and frankly, these types of things are getting too expensive to just take a risk and blow 20+ dollars on something you may end up not liking.
Manga publishers, too, hire retards as marketing counselors. Fact.
Shiek927
2010-07-23, 09:43
yet the publishers of manga seem to want us to learn Japanese and move to Japan to enjoy what they're yelling at us to buy.
I don't know why but that made me laugh :heh:
Luminion Lancer
2010-07-23, 15:02
-Wow, seems like people really are going to be affected by OM dissolving. But here's a bit of hope: for every site that gets tanked, another one eventually surfaces to take its place. Problem is that finding them takes a bit of work. Personally though, I am not surprised OM is getting torn down. These days there are far more copyright Nazis than ever. You just know there's some guy in an office somewhere, getting pissed off that people can read manga in peace, and for free no less.
-About the chapter (so glad I began reading the series yesterday morning); is anyone else hoping Priscilla gets done in? I know I am new to this but from all the 100+ chapters I read, I really want little miss Horned-devil to bite the dust. She's just not interesting to look at all. Everything that's thrown at her she brushes off like nothing. Not a scratch, no permanet injury, not even a shred of fear or surprise. Hell, it took an infected Dauf just to destroy half her body (the most "injury" we ever saw her sustain) and she just walked it off after sighing for bilionth time. If this merged Destroyer is not enough to put a dent into her otherwise untochable immortality, then it is really difficult to imagine anyone else taking her down.
-On a side note: Clare will likely recover her body like she did when the Destroyer awakened the 1st time. She was absorbed into it already but pulled herself out. She can do it again (preferrably after Priscilla is gone).
Shiek927
2010-07-23, 16:16
Welcome aboard! And no not really, she's one of my top favorite characters :)
Welcome aboard! And no not really, she's one of my top favorite characters :)
Haha mine too. Prissy is a great character imo that deserves a lot more love but she gets almost none :heh: But one of the last times I tried to seriously show why (imo) it ended in my logest post ever :heh:
Anyways welocme :) Don't get offended if someone disagrees with you since almsot everyone has an opinion about Claymore and the characters and it differs most of the time ;) That's just the kind of manga it is.
Wait wasn't Ryus trying to start up a discussion again...and we started talking about OneManga :heh:Way to go "us" :p
alovelyburn
2010-07-23, 17:10
Welcome aboard! And no not really, she's one of my top favorite characters :)
Priscilla fan solidarity! :heh:
Haha mine too. Prissy is a great character imo that deserves a lot more love but she gets almost none :heh: But one of the last times I tried to seriously show why (imo) it ended in my logest post ever :heh:
...do you have a link onhand? Now I'm curious. :D
/scurries away
Well it's not that interesting and it grew into something more than Prissy not being that bad.
And it wasn't just one post but a lot of them...intereting how people actually read our walls of text :heh:
Though it's fun to look at without reading it :heh: if you want -> http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2937051&postcount=1012
irvinethearcher
2010-07-23, 17:37
-Wow, seems like people really are going to be affected by OM dissolving. But here's a bit of hope: for every site that gets tanked, another one eventually surfaces to take its place. Problem is that finding them takes a bit of work. Personally though, I am not surprised OM is getting torn down. These days there are far more copyright Nazis than ever. You just know there's some guy in an office somewhere, getting pissed off that people can read manga in peace, and for free no less.
-About the chapter (so glad I began reading the series yesterday morning); is anyone else hoping Priscilla gets done in? I know I am new to this but from all the 100+ chapters I read, I really want little miss Horned-devil to bite the dust. She's just not interesting to look at all. Everything that's thrown at her she brushes off like nothing. Not a scratch, no permanet injury, not even a shred of fear or surprise. Hell, it took an infected Dauf just to destroy half her body (the most "injury" we ever saw her sustain) and she just walked it off after sighing for bilionth time. If this merged Destroyer is not enough to put a dent into her otherwise untochable immortality, then it is really difficult to imagine anyone else taking her down.
-On a side note: Clare will likely recover her body like she did when the Destroyer awakened the 1st time. She was absorbed into it already but pulled herself out. She can do it again (preferrably after Priscilla is gone).
In this forum is really to much sympathy for the devil. It was different when chibamonster, gooral and others were here more often. Now i have to sigh too.
For my part this bitch can go to hell and die by clare's sword or blades.
Priscilla is a character i hate a lot but in a way this makes her an adorable villain.
I have written before that she somehow reminds me of gollum, twisted but tragic or vice versa.
Who knows if priscilla destroys unintentionally the organisation like gollum destroyed his little precious?
But right now all seems to point out that she will die by clare's sword in a direct or indirect way.
In this forum is really to much sympathy for the devil. It was different when chibamonster, gooral and others were here more often. Now i have to sigh too.
For my part this bitch can go to hell and die by clare's sword or blades.
Priscilla is a character i hate a lot but in a way this makes her an adorable villain.
I have written before that she somehow reminds me of gollum, twisted but tragic or vice versa.
Who knows if priscilla destroys unintentionally the organisation like gollum destroyed his little precious?
But right now all seems to point out that she will die by clare's sword in a direct or indirect way.
True you, me and Gooral started that long debate about Prissy , which was really interesting since I got to see and understand mmore clearly your position. It was really ejoyable at least for me. And that was quite a long time ago and I'm relatively new here so it must have been quite different before.
Anyways...isn't "bitch" going a bit too far ;)
And hey most of the poeple around still hate Prissy a lot but we just talk about it less often and thus the people that see her more as a tragic character and not an evil monster that needs to die by Clare for the sake of revenge can express their views more often without igniting large debates on ths subject.
Shiek927
2010-07-23, 18:14
ROFLMAO, I'm sorry Irvine, but that post made me laugh :heh:
Yes, times have changed and shifted; Raki has grown into a popular character instead of the most hated thing in existance, Priscilla has even gained appreciation, and Teresa is no longer the center of the universe.
Change is good :D :heh:.
In general though(seriously), I think people are simply expanding their horizons and liking and appreciating more characters instead of the same few which, again, is a good thing(least it is to me).
irvinethearcher
2010-07-23, 18:20
She has a tragic side, is see that too. To me she is a good villain, like the joker was batman's nemesis she is clare's and clare is her's too.
Clare simply deserves her revenge and priscilla deserves to die for what she did to clare and theresa.
Yes, times have changed and shifted; Raki has grown into a popular character instead of the most hated thing in existance, Priscilla has even gained appreciation, and Teresa is no longer the center of the universe.
It feels like… times have changed. Times maybe, but not me.
Remembers me of that awesome film Patt Garrett & Billy the kid ;)
Hey theresa is perhaps not the center of the universe but of the claymoreverse. At least she is the goddess of the sun so ...
Shiek927
2010-07-23, 18:31
It's an interesting question you brought up; if Priscilla will inintentionally destroy the Organization....I'd have to say the answer is No. It's gonna take some special circumstances for it to happen, and considering that everything is happening in the West....it's a stretch right now if anything will send her to the Far East.
But again, who knows...I mean, Raki is right now heading there; he could be the cataylst that has her, and Claire, and perhaps the Ghosts, storming the Organization's door and kicking their revolution into overdrive(Starcraft 2 trailer reference - thanks Ryus :heh:).
Royal Blue Nazi
2010-07-23, 21:44
I'm reading the stuffs around here but I found nothing like about the theory that I had discovered today. ( I hope none got similar ideas on me about the matter)
We are very much fond on what will happen the destroyer, Priscilla, and Clare. But a danger is rising between the survivors of the destroyers (Yuma,Cynthia, Deneve, and Helen).
Wonder why DIETRICH be with THEM, SEEING ALL THE EVENTS HAPPENING AROUND??????
I GOT A BAD FEELING THAT BY THE NEXT CHAPTERS THE ORGANIZATION"S MOVE AGAINST THE GHOST OF THE NORTH WILL BE BROUGHT UPON BY THE INFORMATION GATHERED BY DIETRICH!!!!!!!!!
The lost of the organizations only eye, Renee, make them in havoc about WHAT IS GOING ON ESP. ON THE FIGHT WITH THE DESTROYER. IT IS BASICALLY THEIR MOVE TO SEND ONE CLAYMORE AS THE EYE IN REPLACEMENT TO RENEE........ THAT IS DIETRICH-------- Claymore 8, TRACKER DIETRICH!!!!!
WE MUST ALSO NOTE THAT AMONG ALL CLAYMORES, DIETRICH HAS THE HIGH LOYALTY TO THE ORGANIZATION. IT IS OBVOIUS THAT SHE WILL TELL ALL SHE KNOW TO THE ORG. Poor thing the wise Deneve and Cynthia never notice it as the chapter speaks.
WE ALL KNOW THAT SHE IS FREE NOW FROM THE DEBT SHE HAVE ON DENEVE AND HELEN ( Since he able to report to the organization and never got beheaded there). So she is free to tell what she can for the org.
We must also examine dietrich words upon meeting yuma " I will return the debt in double" That means she is free from the lock of not speaking by helping the ghost of the north survive the attack of the destroyer.
I got a theory why miria, tabitha, and galatea never got in and help clare, deneve and the rest. By the time the destroyer attacked, those in Rabona are NOW FIGHTING WITH THE CLAYMORES OF THE ORGANIZATION. The reason of fighting is to bring back the candidate to be no.1 BLOOD-EYE MIATA.
I can conclude that the organization by this time is not weakened as what we might think. It doesn't matter if they lose beth and alicia, by this Time they got a good specimen on the Destroyer, will take miata, got the information on the ghost of the north, esp. clare, and most especially, got the NEXT STRONGEST, MALE CLAYMORE, ............... RAKI!!!!!!!!!
evil_kenshin
2010-07-23, 21:51
I got a theory why miria, tabitha, and galatea never got in and help clare, deneve and the rest. By the time the destroyer attacked, those in Rabona are NOW FIGHTING WITH THE CLAYMORES OF THE ORGANIZATION. The reason of fighting is to bring back the candidate to be no.1 BLOOD-EYE MIATA.
I disagree on the basis the org will execute anyone who disobeys their orders much less rebel. Miria even said that for the failure to attempt to capture Galatae they would be executed on return.
Especially now that they found Raki their interest is more on experiments involving the destroyer than a claymore who rebels.
Royal Blue Nazi
2010-07-23, 21:55
I disagree on the basis the org will execute anyone who disobeys their orders much less rebel. Miria even said that for the failure to attempt to capture Galatae they would be executed on return.
Especially now that they found Raki their interest is more on experiments involving the destroyer than a claymore who rebels.
But it is the organizations safety to get all rebels dead. It will be that they are gathering the wisest plans upon them.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-23, 22:11
But it is the organizations safety to get all rebels dead. It will be that they are gathering the wisest plans upon them.
but you said "bring back" as in get her back into the ranks. If the org got to them then it they would execute them.
The org hasn't got the forces at the moment to take on Rabona. Miria, Galatae, Tabitha, Clarice & Miata together would trump the remaining warriors at org hq.
In this forum is really to much sympathy for the devil. It was different when chibamonster, gooral and others were here more often. Now i have to sigh too.
For my part this bitch can go to hell and die by clare's sword or blades.
Priscilla is a character i hate a lot but in a way this makes her an adorable villain.
I have written before that she somehow reminds me of gollum, twisted but tragic or vice versa.
Who knows if priscilla destroys unintentionally the organisation like gollum destroyed his little precious?
But right now all seems to point out that she will die by clare's sword in a direct or indirect way.
Amen bro.
ROFLMAO, I'm sorry Irvine, but that post made me laugh :heh:
Yes, times have changed and shifted; Raki has grown into a popular character instead of the most hated thing in existance, Priscilla has even gained appreciation, and Teresa is no longer the center of the universe.
Change is good :D :heh:.
I think this change is deceptive. Gauging opinion by sampling the opinions of those that are responsible for the highest post counts at any given time, is probably not the reliable statistical method (now or back then).
It's more like we've just given up arguing over the obvious.
I will not forgive Priscilla for her crimes simply because the page count has increased since the commision of her crimes. For me, justice is not that much a function of time. Pricsilla is evil and has got to die. She's just sympathetic enough that she might be entitled to a little redemption before that happens, but die she must.
As for Raki... while I appreciate that he is one of the male characters left, and that female fans liking him no longer makes them suspect of pedophia (on top of total lack of taste), my reasons for disliking Raki have not changed, nor does it appear they ever will. Do you really want me to be chiming in continuously and reminding everyone of that? Can some of you Raki admirers explain to me why you like Raki over Cid or Galk (who are no eye sores, and act like actual guys)? Galatea-sama has good taste sticking close to them instead of Raki.
As for Teresa... thou deserveth to be smited!
Teresa's Army! Tally-ho!
Luminion Lancer
2010-07-23, 22:53
Welcome aboard! And no not really, she's one of my top favorite characters :)
-Ah thanks. I'll state my main reason for Priscilla's opposition below.
Anyways welocme :) Don't get offended if someone disagrees with you since almsot everyone has an opinion about Claymore and the characters and it differs most of the time ;) That's just the kind of manga it is.
-Oh I am not offended at all ;) and I welcome differing opinions. Actually, despite my initial post, I do not hate Priscilla as a character. On the contrary, I think she is a great villain. What I don't like is the fact that nothing seems to so much as make her twitch. Yes villains need to be powerful and indeed they need to pose a genuine threat, but by God above, you can't just hype the powers of the Abyssal 3 as well as the Destroyer and then have them casually knocked off like flies. And if by the end of this encounter, Priscilla doesn't even find someone whom she considers a threat, then what's the point? I don't think I am being unreasonable here; Priscilla need not actually "die" for me to be content. But if nothing else, at least let the mangaka prove to me she can be defeated.
Yes, times have changed and shifted; Raki has grown into a popular character instead of the most hated thing in existance, Priscilla has even gained appreciation, and Teresa is no longer the center of the universe.
-Wow, I guess I am one of the few people that actually liked Raki before he became Guts' great-great-grand...completely unrelated person that kicks ass. He won my respect from the moment he followed Clare to the outskirts of his village, to the complete lack of anger for the idiotic villagers that tossed him out after 7 years. He is just a great character for me and I am glad to see him being treated well by the author.
-But don't let my praise of him fool you though, I do have favorites (permission to indulge). In particular, I am most fond of Miria. She has everything I could want in a badass female protagonist (at least one of them). Compassion, great leadership qualities, intelligence to match and a great drive to topple the source of conflict and ruined lives. In fact, I'd like to call her the Claymore equivalent of Optimus Prime. Besides her, I'm quite fond of Galatea and everyone else, I regard favourably (barring Priscilla's seeming immortality).
evil_kenshin
2010-07-23, 23:21
As for Raki... while I appreciate that he is one of the male characters left, and that female fans liking him no longer makes them suspect of pedophia (on top of total lack of taste), my reasons for disliking Raki have not changed, nor does it appear they ever will. Do you really want me to be chiming in continuously and reminding everyone of that? Can some of you Raki admirers explain to me why you like Raki over Cid or Galk (who are no eye sores, and act like actual guys)? Galatea-sama has good taste sticking close to them instead of Raki.
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You have to accept cyclone your a dinosaur in terms of this forum the last person on this forum who hates Raki (and part of a Raki hate fanclub) & that the time i gave you a neg rep even got me a few pos reps for what I said from people who agreed (not just female).
You have your right to hate Raki but no one wants or needs you to continuously remind us of your hatred.
you can like a character for who they are rather than their gender or age. So accusing female fans who liked Raki when he was a child of paedophilia is over the top of you cyclone. I don't think Clarakiss would appreciate you calling her a paedophile.
Please calm down.
@Fukitsu Naruto , your not the only one here quiet a few people (including myself) had no hatred of him when he was a child & liked his involvement in the story.
You have to accept cyclone your a dinosaur in terms of this forum the last person on this forum who hates Raki (and part of a Raki hate fanclub) & that the time i gave you a neg rep even got me a few pos reps for what I said from people who agreed (not just female).
You have your right to hate Raki but no one wants or needs you to continuously remind us of your hatred.
you can like a character for who they are rather than their gender or age. So accusing female fans who liked Raki when he was a child of paedophilia is over the top of you cyclone. I don't think Clarakiss would appreciate you calling her a paedophile.
Please calm down.
@Fukitsu Naruto , your not the only one here quiet a few people (including myself) had no hatred of him when he was a child & liked his involvement in the story.
I think you misunderstood me - seems you're only too eager to assume the worst of me recently (even after I gave your POSITIVE rep for confessing).
The whole point of my post was that I don't typically mention my dislike for the character - I try to avoid mentioing him in the first place. But expecting me to sit quiet while you guys say "everyone loves Raki" is asking a bit much of me. If I stayed silent then, I'd be tacitly agreeing with that rubbish.
As for the paedophilia comment, I didn't mean mean that people who liked him then (or now) were anything of the sort (clarakiss or anyone else - why she's being singled out is beyond me) - simply that a relationship where an adult woman like Clare and pre-pubescent boy like Raki is questionable at best. That whole Raki-Clare relationship has overtones I don't like - nothing against the readers.
What I simply want to know is why Raki is prefered now over, in my opinion, other superior candidates.
As for Insurgents Kampf Against Raki (http://forums.animesuki.com/group.php?groupid=338), I'm only one of 13 proud members. Thank you for the excuse to advertise.
evil_kenshin
2010-07-24, 00:13
I think you misunderstood me - seems you're only too eager to assume the worst of me recently (even after I gave your POSITIVE rep for confessing).
The whole point of my post was that I don't typically mention my dislike for the character - I try to avoid mentioing him in the first place. But expecting me to sit quiet while you guys say "everyone loves Raki" is asking a bit much of me. If I stayed silent then, I'd be tacitly agreeing with that rubbish.
As for the paedophilia comment, I didn't mean mean that people who liked him then (or now) were anything of the sort (clarakiss or anyone else - why she's being singled out is beyond me) - simply that a relationship where an adult woman like Clare and pre-pubescent boy like Raki is questionable at best. That whole Raki-Clare relationship has overtones I don't like - nothing against the readers.
What I simply want to know is why Raki is prefered now over, in my opinion, other superior candidates.
As for Insurgents Kampf Against Raki (http://forums.animesuki.com/group.php?groupid=338), I'm only one of 13 proud members. Thank you for the excuse to advertise.
But what you don't get is it comes across as childish to always comment. The reason why Raki is more liked now is because his reached his goal.
Not only was he the only human we have seen beat a yoma he didn't "whine or cry" at all even when hit by the rods which was the main complaint of people who did not like the child him.
As i said I have no problem with you hating Raki, but would you atleast consider toning it down a bit in terms of vocalness :heh:
You didn't specify that you were meaning from a romantic point of view, you just said people who liked Raki (Female fans specifically) were paedophiles for liking him when he was a child.
But I suspect thats more to do with japanese society where such things are not the same to our western eyes.
No. It's childish to expect that when people say: "Raki has grown into a popular character instead of the most hated thing in existance" (-Shiek927) for people who disagree to stay quiet. That would be tacitly agreeing to a statement to which I most certainly do not agree.
If you want me to say nothing, avoid saying things that require a response. Possibly you did not see this as a very provocative quote and it escaped your notice if you believe the same way Shiek927 does, but for me it certainly is an attention grabber.
For the same reasons that religion and politics are not discussed in polite society, is the same reason love for Raki should not be. There'd be no need for me to tone down anything if you guys didn't force a reply out of me - I don't want to ever mention him. I find he's best ignored. If I am forced to reply, you know what it's going to be, so make allowances to see just that when you make sweeping fawning statements over him publically (seeing that is every bit as repugnant for me, as seeing my diatribes towards him are for you).
As for the paedo stuff - I admit I mispoke - I should have said "condoning paedophilia" which is more along the lines of what I meant. Sorry about that - typing is an inperfect communication medium.
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