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I was requested to create this thread. This is to completely seperate the manga and the anime.
The guidelines as given are:
Do not ask where to download the manga (http://www.toriyamaworld.com).
Do not talk about the anime.
Use [spoiler] tags wisely.
Someone start something off (or I'll think of something to follow up soon).
ffinfinity
2004-03-17, 03:38
hi.. i am glad u started this thread coz i have questions to ask from chapter 29 - 31 (ie beyond volume 6) of the manga.. If my questions are too "advanced" for this forum, feel free to delete my thread..
BIG MAJOR EXTREME SPOILERS AHEAD from chap 29-31:-
1) what is wrath's power?
i know who is wrath, but i am not sure about his powers as a sin. Is he able to see/read people's mind? Coz whenever he ask Ed and others a pressing question regarding the stone, they hestitate and don't wish to answer, but later he will just laugh and treat it light'y, leaving the others in shock. Seems that he already know the answer when he look at them... what do u all thin?
2) in chap 29, wrath killed a girl hiding in Al's suit, and her blood spilled onto his blood seal. As a result, Al remember seeing the "truth" and the process whereby his soul is extracted from his body.Later in chap 31, wrath told the father that Al, as well as the teacher are the next sacrifice he had found. Does this mean that Al can perform alchemistry without a transmutation circle?
thanks :)
hi.. i am glad u started this thread coz i have questions to ask from chapter 29 - 31 (ie beyond volume 6) of the manga.. If my questions are too "advanced" for this forum, feel free to delete my thread..
BIG MAJOR EXTREME SPOILERS AHEAD from chap 29-31:-
You're welcome, though you should thank ElvenPower instead for its his/her suggestion.
Now let me speculate for you :D
On question 1 (about Wrath).
Most of the homunculi's power are like alchemical powers. However since they cannot perform alchemy themselves (src:anime ep 22), I believe the Father invested certain powers into the Sins' tattoos. These powers will generally act on the tattoos' locations and empower them but are fixed so they cannot change the ways they use them.
List of Sins & powers:
Lust - Tattoo just above cleavage. Seems to empower her to form monoblades (usually extending from fingertips).
Gluttony - Tattoo on tongue. Seems to empower him with the ability to eat & digest anything.
Envy - Tattoo on right thigh. Seems to empower him to change his body into any shape.
Greed - Tattoos on hands, more importantly the skin. Allows him to transmute carbon in skin into a diamond-like skin.
Sloth - Unknown.
Wrath - Tattoo on left iris. Speculation: The window to the soul is the eye. Wrath could simply be superhuman then, all physical abilities are amplified greatly. It could also be that Wrath can 'see' all possibilities in a situation. Hence he would always know where to strike and dodge. His eye might also allow him insight that allows him to know the opponent's weakness.
On question 2 (about Al & the Truth).
Not really. You have to see the Truth and understand it. We are still unsure if Al understood the Truth. Recall his answer to Izumi's question of "One is what, what is one?" (not exact, need to go back and get the exact quote). His seem to be the "good enough" answer but Ed's answer was the true answer.
Lastly, you use your body to form the structural(alchemical) matrix. The human body with its complex compounds and structures enable Ed & Izumi to do almost any alchemy with ease. Al has a metallic body. He could at best perform limited alchemy without using sigils.
You're welcome, though you should thank ElvenPower instead for its his/her suggestion.
Now let me speculate for you :D
On question 2 (about Al & the Truth).
Not really. You have to see the Truth and understand it. We are still unsure if Al understood the Truth. Recall his answer to Izumi's question of "One is what, what is one?" (not exact, need to go back and get the exact quote). His seem to be the "good enough" answer but Ed's answer was the true answer.
Lastly, you use your body to form the structural(alchemical) matrix. The human body with its complex compounds and structures enable Ed & Izumi to do almost any alchemy with ease. Al has a metallic body. He could at best perform limited alchemy without using sigils.
Even more Spoiler about the Truth
More specificially, Ed ask al whether he saw the "Thing" immediately after he got fitted with automail. Al plainly don't know what Ed's talking about. Thus far the only two people who can use their own body to form structural matrix with their own body both managed to lost something significant. Ed lost his left feet before he saw the truth. He than uses his new found power to bind his brother's soul to the armor at the cost of his right arm. We're not sure who Izumi Curtis tried to bring back (I'm guessing a still born baby), but I'm speculating that it has cause her to be physically frail (caughing up buckets of blood at the most comical time).
Though as we saw at the end of Chapter 31, Al didn't remember the moment he was rescued by Ed until the Chimera's blood touched his seal, so he might have glimpse at The Truth, and not understand it (Ed most certaintly did).
ffinfinity
2004-03-17, 10:37
Even more Spoiler about the Truth
More specificially, Ed ask al whether he saw the "Thing" immediately after he got fitted with automail. Al plainly don't know what Ed's talking about. Thus far the only two people who can use their own body to form structural matrix with their own body both managed to lost something significant. Ed lost his left feet before he saw the truth. He than uses his new found power to bind his brother's soul to the armor at the cost of his right arm. We're not sure who Izumi Curtis tried to bring back (I'm guessing a still born baby), but I'm speculating that it has cause her to be physically frail (caughing up buckets of blood at the most comical time).
Though as we saw at the end of Chapter 31, Al didn't remember the moment he was rescued by Ed until the Chimera's blood touched his seal, so he might have glimpse at The Truth, and not understand it (Ed most certaintly did).
Izumi lost her unborn child because of a sickness during her pregnancy, and she tried to bring back her child through alchemistry. She saw the "truth" and lost her kidneys. poor thing.. i think losing one's internal organs is worse then losing the limbs.. at least limbs can be replaced by automail
On Izumi's exchange,
I believe it is not her kidneys that were taken from her. I believe it is the womb and/or ovaries. This is suggested by the touchiness over the issue of her not having anymore kids and her continued pained acceptance of joy at watching children grow. Plus the location where she patted when she mentioned what was taken seems to indicate the reproduction organs.
For those of you reading the Chinese translation, Chapter 32 Messanger From the East has come out in the usual places.
Chapter 32 Spoilers Ahead.
In this chapter, which is divided into two parts, the first part deals with this little girl from the China-like country of Xing. This girl somehow managed to traverse the impassable desert (made impossible by the burrial of the railroad line) and got into mining town that Ed & Al saved. This girl repay her gratitude to the miners for feeding her by uncollapsing the mine shaft #8 (which has some miners trapped). When they mention Edward Elric, she became extremely interesting in meeting this overly idealized version of Ed.
The second part deals with Ed & Al going to RushValley to find Winry (Ed's Automail needs more work again, after his fight with Greed). It is here that he meet a man from Xing, who's also searching for Philosopher's Stone, even though he isn't an alchemist...
The goal and type of alchemy practiced in Xing is slightly different from Amestris, where the focus is in making of potion and pills. As in Amestris, the ultimate goal is to create Philosopher's Stone, which can grant immortality.
sarcasteak
2004-03-17, 18:22
Chapter 32 Spoilers Ahead.
When they mention Edward Elric, she became extremely interesting in meeting this overly idealized version of Ed.
Well, at least her imagination does resemble Ed...somewhat :heh:
It is here that he meet a man from Xing, who's also searching for Philosopher's Stone, even though he isn't an alchemist...
The man mentioned a ruin in the middle of the desert as a midstop...maybe there's some clues regarding PS there that he overlooked? C'mon, a ruin guarded by the desert sandstorm; sure sounds suspicious to me!
Ed explains the political bodies around Ametris and that the militarization of Ametris began when Bradley came in power...so what is Father planning with all the military power? Take over the world? Wreck havoc? Hmm...
YuuOminae
2004-03-17, 18:51
Well, at least her imagination does resemble Ed...somewhat :heh:
The man mentioned a ruin in the middle of the desert as a midstop...maybe there's some clues regarding PS there that he overlooked? C'mon, a ruin guarded by the desert sandstorm; sure sounds suspicious to me!
Ed explains the political bodies around Ametris and that the militarization of Ametris began when Bradley came in power...so what is Father planning with all the military power? Take over the world? Wreck havoc? Hmm...
It's pretty obvious that there's something major going on at the ruins. I figure the Xerxes ruins and the nation of Amestris shared a common history or will share a common fate at least since historically Amestris was the wife of Xerxes. Plus, the whole bit with the "destroyed in one night". Brrrr.
One particularly major point that Bigfire missed was that Ed was planning on going back to Central to investigate a few things. That would also include a trip to visit Hughes (Armstrong never told them that he was killed).
Also regarding Al and his little flashback...
He saw even more than Ed did, up to the point where he saw the completed "product". The real question is why did he see himself instead of his mother?
In my haste of running through the chapter, I failed to realized that the alchemist girl from Xing has a tiny panda who mimicks her every single movements. Is this a small scaled hybrid familiar?
Also her method of casting the alchemist sigil is interesting. She uses two sets of 5 throwing blade (each with a corresponding sigil tied ribbon). She drop the first sets of blade on the ground, and drawing a pentagram from the blade point. She then throw the second sets of blade towards the collapsed mine shaft entrance, and applied her transmutation on the smaller pentagram. The second sets of blade recreates the energy applied to the first set, and thus she is able to transmute somewhat remotely.
Yeah, she's somewhat mistaken Ed to be a tall handsome bishounen. She's going to be so disappointed when meeting the real person.
On a new character in Chp 32
In my haste of running through the chapter, I failed to realized that the alchemist girl from Xing has a tiny panda who mimicks her every single movements. Is this a small scaled hybrid familiar? I believe it to be a true Panda! Maybe they grew them small in that world. The Xing girl is named Mei Chan. I believe Chan is the surname as it is one for the Chinese and no one addresses themselves as 'name'-chan (correct me if I'm wrong). Mei calls the panda 'Little Mei'.
On new character's alchemical ability
Also her method of casting the alchemist sigil is interesting. She uses two sets of 5 throwing blade (each with a corresponding sigil tied ribbon). She drop the first sets of blade on the ground, and drawing a pentagram from the blade point. She then throw the second sets of blade towards the collapsed mine shaft entrance, and applied her transmutation on the smaller pentagram. The second sets of blade recreates the energy applied to the first set, and thus she is able to transmute somewhat remotely. Actually it can be explained through resonance and broadcast. Basically alchemical energy can be treated as energy and hence waveforms. So you can transmit and receive them through resonant materials. Hence the throwing darts actually act as the antenna for transmitting & receiving. However it is likely to be directional and requires line of sight.
On Ed's Bishie status :heh:
Yeah, she's somewhat mistaken Ed to be a tall handsome bishounen. She's going to be so disappointed when meeting the real person.
Oh yes I can't wait to see that scene. I wonder how she's going to handle her disillusionment. Also how Ed is going to violently handle a female kid who most probably going to insult his height when disillusioned. :heh:
dreamless
2004-03-17, 23:17
on the matter of the ruin in chapter 32
Anyone else here thinks it's modelled after the ancient city of Lou Lan? and the railway somehow sounds like the Silk Road? I mean, this railroad connects Xing and Ametris across a desert like Silk Road connects China and Europe across a desert. And Lou Lan served as a midstop of the Silk Road like that ruin as a midstop between Xing and Ametris. Also Lou Lan is now a ruin, and there are legends saying it was destroyed overnight...
YuuOminae
2004-03-18, 19:22
Brief, brief, summary for chapter 33.
Ed and Al get separated and end up fighting Lin Yao's underlings. Obviously Ed and Al win.
Three basic important points to the fights though.
1. Al can now transmute without drawing a circle.
2. The guy Ed was fighting turned out to be a pretty cute girl o.o
3. Ed had to resort to deconstructing a part of his arm to remove it and use it as bait to lure out and trap his opponent.
After the fight is over, Lin consults his servants and decides that he'll have to kiss up to Ed and Al in order to find out what they know. Apparently, whatever reason he has for wanting to obtain the so-called immortality that the Philosopher's Stone grants is pretty serious.
After that, Lin notices something unusual in the sky and thinks that there's something strange going on in this country.
And so, Lin sucks up to Ed and decides much to Ed's dismay to become his friend and go with him to Central (after the automail gets repaired).
The last several pages has Scar riding in a horse-drawn wagon (with Yoki as the driver hahaha) to get to Central (remember, the slums where Scar was recuperating at was located in East City).
edit: eeeeep.
Brief, brief, summary for chapter 33.
1. Al can now transmute without drawing a circle.
So, Al has finally remembered the seeing 'truth' as seen by Ed and Izumi. At the end of Chapter 30, King Bradley personally wipe out Greed's gang, and one of the last one was hiding inside of Al's armor. When Bradley killed her, blood splashed inside of Al's armor for the first time, and onto his soul binding sigil. This allowed him to remember what happened Ed & Al tried to resurrect their mother. And he does see the shape of his mother's soul. Except when he reached for it, it becomes himself dissolving. This is somewhat different from Ed's experience at the end of Chapter 23, where he went through the door and back. He talked to a soul who claimed to be 'himself' and 'himself' exacted the payment for seeing the 'truth'. Al didn't managed to come back through the door by himself like Ed did, but the fact that he went across the threshhold of the truth and back is enough to do transmutation without sigil. He just have to remember it.
Extracted...
Brief, brief, summary for chapter 33.
2. The guy Ed was fighting turned out to be a pretty cute girl o.o
Ooooo....:eyespin::love: possible addition to Ed's harem :heh:?
3. Ed had to resort to deconstructing a part of his arm to remove it and use it as bait to lure out and trap his opponent.
And so, Lin sucks up to Ed and decides much to Ed's dismay to become his friend and go with him to Central (after the automail gets repaired).
Since Ed basically messed up his automail up again and also messed around with a pretty young thing, did Winry turn him into paste again? :heh:
ffinfinity
2004-03-18, 22:33
Brief, brief, summary for chapter 33.
Ed and Al get separated and end up fighting Lin Yao's underlings. Obviously Ed and Al win.
Thanks for the summary YuuOminae :)
After travelling in the desert without much food and water, Lin's servants still have energy to fight with Ed and Al. haha
Seems that everyone is going to meet in central.. btw did Winry follow them to central?
YuuOminae
2004-03-19, 09:08
Ooooo.... possible addition to Ed's harem?
She'll probably end up as being nothing more than Lin's love interest, unfortunately.
Since Ed basically messed up his automail up again and also messed around with a pretty young thing, did Winry turn him into paste again?
So far, Winry has only met Lin so she doesn't know how Ed mangled his arm. He still got slaughtered though.
Thanks for the summary YuuOminae :)
After travelling in the desert without much food and water, Lin's servants still have energy to fight with Ed and Al. haha
Seems that everyone is going to meet in central.. btw did Winry follow them to central?
Ed and the others haven't actually left Rush Valley yet. Winry did get permission from Garfiel to go with them to see Hughes though, so yeah. EVERYONE will ultimately meet up at Central.
El Diablo
2004-03-19, 15:25
I know its a lot to ask, but i don't suppose anybody can summarize everything from chapter 13 (what TW have released) up to the newest chapter can they? Since i haven't read past 13, but would like to know what happens. If anybodies kind enough to type it out i'll be very grateful :)
this is just a theory but what if pride is their father. Then they can explain ed and al getting their bodies back naturally as they are half homonculus. Cause i dont think that they will ever get to find the philosopher stone. This would be an easy way to tie up lose ends and end the show in an decent way.
this is just a theory but what if pride is their father. Then they can explain ed and al getting their bodies back naturally as they are half homonculus. Cause i dont think that they will ever get to find the philosopher stone. This would be an easy way to tie up lose ends and end the show in an decent way.
uhh... we are not talking about the anime. Best not to talk too much about the anime. But if you are talking about a possible plot in the manga, yes it could be possible since a few of us have thought that up before. But I would not put the Elrics then as half-homunculi but full humans as I'm pretty sure the aim of creating homunculi was to create humans. With the series in completion, Pride being the final, he should be a super powerful human.
sarcasteak
2004-03-24, 02:38
Man, you guys have already discussed everything...there's no room for me to comment! :heh: :frustrated:
Lavender
2004-03-24, 07:53
Yay~I am pretti much cought up on the manga now ^^(except for chapters 26, 27 & 28 cuz I cant find any chinese or english versions of these chapters.)
Can someone please explain to me what "the truth" realli was? I really didnt understand it. And another thing that's confusing to me was Ed and Al's answer to Izumi's "one is all, all is one" question. Ed said "it's me" and Al said "all is the world". And if I remember correctly someone said earlier in this thread that Ed's answer was the correct answer, and Al's answer was a good enough answer...I dun even understand the question@@""....somebody help me~
Yay~I am pretti much cought up on the manga now ^^(except for chapters 26, 27 & 28 cuz I cant find any chinese or english versions of these chapters.) Yep... I wonder why Fox hasn't translated those but went on from chp 29...*shrug*
Can someone please explain to me what "the truth" realli was? I really didnt understand it. On the "Truth"
Take a close look at the streams of information flooding past Edward. What are they showing? Basically history, his memories & the molecular structures and life stages of organics. Scientists nowadays are searching for the Grand Unified Theory to give a single mathematical model for physics. In a way, the "Truth" is the GUT for alchemy.
Edward now understands the composition & molecular structures of almost everything. He has also gained increased knowledge over life & their 'mathematical models' (though not complete as he said going through one more time, he should understand it completely). That boy is a supra-genius on par at least with Hawkings :D
With the "Truth", Edward now knows what is really needed to perform alchemy and can discard the crutches/aids that normal alchemists use.
And another thing that's confusing to me was Ed and Al's answer to Izumi's "one is all, all is one" question. Ed said "it's me" and Al said "all is the world". And if I remember correctly someone said earlier in this thread that Ed's answer was the correct answer, and Al's answer was a good enough answer...I dun even understand the question@@""....somebody help me~ Umm that was me actually... :P
On the Elrics' replies to Izumi
My understanding is based on the answer scene. Note that Alphonse's response is perfectly normal and would not have raised any extraordinary reactions. That he was accepted by Izumi would indicate that his was probably an answer good enough to be accepted.
Edward's self-confident assertion of his view that everything is him and he is everything, is a similarity to "I think therefore I am". In other words, the "Truth" (which is what Izumi is alluding to with her question) would allow him to control and alter his world.
Her response (shock then laughter) is a response that either reflects that he has bluntly blurt out the best possible answer in the most politically incorrect way or he is a total idiot. However since he is accepted by Izumi, it has to be that he got the best answer.
I mentioned before somewhere else that I feel Izumi Curtis is the most powerful alchemist (provided she is not coughing up blood). Someone (I think dreamless) then asks is it based on her fists & kicks. Of course the Father is excluded from this discussion...
Well...
I'm basing it on skill. We know that she is highly intelligent. We know that physically she is at her prime as well (well... except for a missing womb and coughing of blood). She knows the Truth & is able to alchemise without a sigil. Sounds like Edward except...
Chapter 27 - Page 309(straight from Gangan). She is able to perform one-handed alchemy!
How is that possible?!
Theory: The wall and her body forms a circle. Arm->Torso->Leg->Ground->Wall->Arm. The flow is directed there. The structural matrix is her body & the wall.
This could have significance as Edward is limited by the fact that he needs both arms to perform sigiless alchemy. He could benefit from this one-handed alchemy (which might be necessary in the future).
Any thoughts on this? Or is this a manga gaffe? Note that the only clap sound occurs on that page. On the previous page, there is no signs of her clapping.
sarcasteak
2004-04-07, 03:51
The new ninja chick is teh cuteness. Discuss. :)
Hmm, the guy felt something was wrong with Edo's country just by looking at the sky/wing/air...what could he be sensing?
The new ninja chick is teh cuteness. Discuss. :)
Cute but too shy... come on girl, just grab Lin Yao and smother him with love!!! Joking... her shyness is understandable if they are basing Xing totally on Chinese culture. There is some sort of a caste system in the past and the servants are not allowed to fall in love with their masters.
And no I do not think they can be classified as ninjas. Come on they look and behave more like the Chinese martial arts assassins in all those martial art movies.
Hmm, the guy felt something was wrong with Edo's country just by looking at the sky/wing/air...what could he be sensing?
Nah, its what you would call Sixth Sense. Lin just probably feels that there is something wrong with Amestris. Trouble's brewing or some big disaster is about to happen, etc.
Side Note: yangxi has released the Chinese scans of Vol 7 (Chp 26-29). So his latest works has ensured that the entire 33 chapters so far are available to Chinese readers.
sarcasteak
2004-04-20, 15:49
And no I do not think they can be classified as ninjas. Come on they look and behave more like the Chinese martial arts assassins in all those martial art movies.
Tsk, picky picky! I think I referred to them as ninja because assassins' doing escort job just didn't seem right. ^_^;;
Not really. You have to see the Truth and understand it. We are still unsure if Al understood the Truth. Recall his answer to Izumi's question of "One is what, what is one?" (not exact, need to go back and get the exact quote). His seem to be the "good enough" answer but Ed's answer was the true answer/
I didn't respond to this earlier in this thread because the whole sequence wasn't very clearly translated in the Chinese scanslation, but I've always felt they came up with the same answer, just that they took turns saying the two portions of it. Well now anime episode 28 pretty much shows that Al and Ed did exactly that, but instead of answering "man" in the second portion like he was supposed to, Ed said "me" instead--thus the surprised look on Izumi's face. So yah, I still stand by my belief that "seeing the Truth" basically means one needs to venture to that empty, blank realm and converse with that being.
Tsk, picky picky! I think I referred to them as ninja because assassins' doing escort job just didn't seem right. ^_^;;
Well if I'm the head of a noble house, I certainly want people who can kill anyone before the latter can kill me as my body guards :)
I didn't respond to this earlier in this thread because the whole sequence wasn't very clearly translated in the Chinese scanslation, but I've always felt they came up with the same answer, just that they took turns saying the two portions of it. Well now anime episode 28 pretty much shows that Al and Ed did exactly that, but instead of answering "man" in the second portion like he was supposed to, Ed said "me" instead--thus the surprised look on Izumi's face. So yah, I still stand by my belief that "seeing the Truth" basically means one needs to venture to that empty, blank realm and converse with that being.
Nope while I do agree that the standard answer would have to be answering "man" or "us" as the one component, Edward's answer stems from his own pride and belief. Izumi could have whacked the hell out of him for that answer. But when you analyse his answer, it is more truthful than anything. It is akin to "Cogito Ergo Sum" or "I think therefore I am". Alphonse in his disbelief shows that he has not grasped that concept at that moment. At least that is my interpretation. Note that they never show Al showing his disbelief of Ed's answer in the anime.
We now know that Al also can do it. However he admits that it is not as proficient or as good as Ed, though he believes he could become as good as Ed. This further makes me believe that he is slightly slower in catching on to the data obtained from the Truth than Ed.
sarcasteak
2004-04-20, 21:54
We now know that Al also can do it. However he admits that it is not as proficient or as good as Ed, though he believes he could become as good as Ed. This further makes me believe that he is slightly slower in catching on to the data obtained from the Truth than Ed.
Poor Ed...it won't be long for the series to be retitled to 鎧の錬金術師 :heh:
I have two questions..
From Chapter 34..
01. On Page 25 [counting only the chapter], is that Riza aiming to snipe Roy? :heh: Or is it just someone that really looks like her? ^^;
02. Around page 34-36, is Maria Ross being accused of murdering Hughes, or something? o.O;
... Havoc and Lust? Whoa. :heh:
rorosama
2004-04-29, 21:19
i also have a question. Could someone explain pride and wrath's powers to me?
i also have a question. Could someone explain pride and wrath's powers to me?
Pride is still unrevealed so far in the manga.
Here's my speculation on Wrath's powers.
Basically it seems the Sins' powers are related to where their Uroboros tattoos are located.
Gluttony - Tongue - Eats anything
Envy - Skin of Left Thigh - Metamorph
Lust - Skin of Chest - Extended Nails
Greed - Skin of back of Hands - Diamond body shield
Sloth - ??
Wrath - Eye - See below
Now what would a tattoo on the eye symbolise? Likely that Wrath's power is based on foresight as well as the proverb "The eye is the window to one's soul". Likely Wrath can see all the possible actions that his enemy can take (or even the action that the enemy will take) and counter him faster than the enemy could react. Thus Wrath is almost invincible if the enemy is within his reach.
Also it is likely that Wrath can intimidate his enemy by sight and prowess such that they are slightly affected in their fighting ability.
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Here's my speculation on Wrath's powers.
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Wrath - Eye - See below
Now what would a tattoo on the eye symbolise? Likely that Wrath's power is based on foresight as well as the proverb "The eye is the window to one's soul". Likely Wrath can see all the possible actions that his enemy can take (or even the action that the enemy will take) and counter him faster than the enemy could react. Thus Wrath is almost invincible if the enemy is within his reach.
Also it is likely that Wrath can intimidate his enemy by sight and prowess such that they are slightly affected in their fighting ability.
Wrath does seem to possess those abilities, however I'm wondering about the nature of his 'Sin' moniker. He doesn't seem to be anger manifest but, more like 'divine retribution' which is another interpretation of the term. The question would then be retribution for what or whom...the Father perhaps?
Sonhex
Joe Dalton
2004-04-30, 06:40
Many thanks it was turning into a minefield :(
Wrath does seem to possess those abilities, however I'm wondering about the nature of his 'Sin' moniker. He doesn't seem to be anger manifest but, more like 'divine retribution' which is another interpretation of the term. The question would then be retribution for what or whom...the Father perhaps?
Sonhex
That is one of my speculation as well. I am harbouring hope for Wrath to at the end, turn into a 'good guy'. He seems to be the most well adjusted among the Sins. Not to say that his circumstances and environment present a perfect opportunity for him to learn and 'change'. Anyway he did execute the 'divine retribution' role when he revealed his identity then isn't it? ;)
That is one of my speculation as well. I am harbouring hope for Wrath to at the end, turn into a 'good guy'. He seems to be the most well adjusted among the Sins. Not to say that his circumstances and environment present a perfect opportunity for him to learn and 'change'. Anyway he did execute the 'divine retribution' role when he revealed his identity then isn't it? ;)
I like the idea of him being wise enough to learn and change, if he's working for a 'divine' purpose then this will place him above the others as they seem to be lead by each other, incapable of acting alone without guidance or advice from their peer. (In the anime it also looks like the others are working around Wrath, or at least trying not to get him involved just yet).
I was thinking he's a different to the other Humonculus, working apart from the trio of Lust, Gluttony and Envy. The way he took down Greed was one of the best bits of the manga for me so far, just such a wicked display of power and ruthlessness that demonstrates his mission.
However I do feel this was slightly undone when he then appears with the afore- mentioned trio, to complete the job. But it remains to be seen how he deals with them...
Sonhex
sarcasteak
2004-04-30, 11:54
I was thinking he's a different to the other Humonculus, working apart from the trio of Lust, Gluttony and Envy. The way he took down Greed was one of the best bits of the manga for me so far, just such a wicked display of power and ruthlessness that demonstrates his mission.
Also...he ages the fastest, so his agenda deep down might not be the same as the others Sins who can live 200+ years.
WabukiSensei
2004-05-01, 22:44
i'm getting the impression that from now on the anime will totally diverge from the manga. In other words, I think that there won't be any Arc with chinese assassins and whatnot. The anime is moving too fast and there are around 20 episodes left to it. It doesn't seem likely that they'll include that bit with the Chinese assassins. BTW, who thinks that the anime is far better than the manga? Comparing both versions, I'm liking the anime a bit more. Maybe because most of the manga focused on rush valley too much rather than continue with the plot. ( I'm just assuming that, cuz I can't read chinese but the whole rush valley scene was so boring, with the baby being born and everything. Sigh...kinda reminds me of Elisha-chan.) Yeah, and the anime has more action that what we've seen in the manga so far, IMHO.
i'm getting the impression that from now on the anime will totally diverge from the manga. In other words, I think that there won't be any Arc with chinese assassins and whatnot. The anime is moving too fast and there are around 20 episodes left to it. It doesn't seem likely that they'll include that bit with the Chinese assassins. Uh... the impression that the anime will diverge in how the story will be told has been given much much earlier like in the ep 20-23 region. It was even confirmed much earlier by Arakawa herself in a press conference. So no... I expect they will not include any or much material from chp 29 onwards.
BTW, who thinks that the anime is far better than the manga? You would not find me in the "anime>manga" camp. Right off from the start, I find them on par with each other. But with these new adaptations, the anime while still good is sliding in terms of story & plot.
Comparing both versions, I'm liking the anime a bit more. Maybe because most of the manga focused on rush valley too much rather than continue with the plot. ( I'm just assuming that, cuz I can't read chinese but the whole rush valley scene was so boring, with the baby being born and everything. Sigh...kinda reminds me of Elisha-chan.) That's because Elysia Hughes' birth was adapted from the Rush Valley manga arc. In the manga, the Elrics were never involved in her birth. The anime crew adapted it in probably because they did not want to handle the Rush Valley arc in their version of events.
Yeah, and the anime has more action that what we've seen in the manga so far, IMHO. Nope there is just as enough action there. The only difference is that a lot of the intermediate animation is not there. You have to visualise it. If they had put in every frame of 'action' in the manga, the number of volumes could easily increase from the current 7 volumes to 14 volumes.
Given what we have seen in the manga and anime, I think it is already safe to conclude that the story has already diverged at the point where the Innocent Child made his appearance.
Either that or some portions of the future manga storyline has been advanced forward in the anime. ;)
Actually, I don't know about the anime, but in the manga Ed's father created all of them.
There was this little piece from a Chinese Magazine a while ago, quite a spoiler, and it had kind of a family tree. It pointed out that Ed's Dad was the "father" or creator of six of the sins.
Also, how old is Greed in the manga, 130 years. I don't think they ever said as he was introduced in 6 and then was pretty much 7 except for Wrath ripping him apart.
For crying out loud, there is no conclusive proof Hoenheim is The Father. That piece you said is not from a magazine but was a piece of fanart. Someone just came up with their little make belief theory and cut out the frames from the manga to use in that little tree. Whether Hoenheim is The Father is still debateable. For all we know, The Father might be Hoenheim's dad or grandad or great-granddad or he might have made Pride who might be Hoenheim.
All the Homunculi in the manga excluding Wrath & Pride are at least 100 years old. Proof: Chapter 31 - Greed remarked that all of them still wear the same faces as he left 100 years ago.
sarcasteak
2004-05-03, 13:17
All the Homunculi in the manga excluding Wrath & Pride are at least 100 years old. Proof: Chapter 31 - Greed remarked that all of them still wear the same faces as he left 100 years ago.
Greed himself told Al during the interrogation that his body has lasted for 200 years (most likely an approximation, too).
ramen girl...where is she from ? (had to ask)
anyways...this is getting interesting, some odd guy created 6 of the 7 sins ? or 5 ? Anyways, rumored to be ed/al's father ? w00000 :D
But wrath and pride are different?
btw : what is Hoenheim ?
...
btw : what is Hoenheim ?
It's Ed and Al's father's first name...
Sonhex
Lavender
2004-05-04, 02:36
...he might have made Pride who might be Hoenheim.
Hmmm~if Hoenheim is pride, then he is a homunclus rite? Can homunclus hav kids with a human??~I dunno
but then, u could be just saying that to say that Hoenheim is not neccesarrily the father~
i like ramen girl too :D, bring some ramen to me (isn't it food or drink or something...) ooo, from reading all this - are you telling me the manga and anime are like splitting and they aren't following each other ?
i like ramen girl too :D, bring some ramen to me (isn't it food or drink or something...) ooo, from reading all this - are you telling me the manga and anime are like splitting and they aren't following each other ?
Yes, the anime has been splitting since back in Vol 4 and continues to split farther and farther as they Bones modifies the story line more and more.
Hmmm~if Hoenheim is pride, then he is a homunclus rite? Can homunclus hav kids with a human??~I dunno
The answer to your question lies in Chapter 31.
And since Pride is very very likely to be the last Homunculus to be created, he would be the perfect model, the perfect Homunculus or human (in this series, super-human).
Yondaime
2004-05-04, 13:13
wait do the anime eps follow a chapter progression? and if so does ep 31 coincide with chp 31 of the manga? :) just curious thnx!
- Yondaime
wait do the anime eps follow a chapter progression? and if so does ep 31 coincide with chp 31 of the manga? :) just curious thnx!
- Yondaime
No. The anime does not follow the manga episode-by-chapter.
The anime also took some content of the manga, adapted them, then shifted them in chronology (i.e the time which the events happened), e.g. the Train incident with Terrorist Bald was actually after Ed became a National Alchemist and was returning from Leore in the manga, in the anime it happened when he was going to Central to become a National Alchemist.
Some scenes were totally changed, e.g. Ed's qualification trial as National Alchemist, the manga's representation was just much way cooler in my book.
And now with the anime diverging heavily from the manga, the main story would not follow the manga though we might find small details being used e.g. Yoki's situation.
Ookla The Mok
2004-05-05, 00:02
It was even confirmed much earlier by Arakawa herself in a press conference.
Arakawa Hiromu = male
Blue Naruto
2004-05-05, 00:31
I am not sure of the quality of the translation I had; however, in ep 30 Greed says, "I heard that Envy and Pride and the others are after them [the Elric Brothers]." Meaning that Pride is not the kid because obviously he is not entangled with Envy at this point. So, Pride would have had to have been around before the kid showed up. ::Apologizes in advance if I misunderstood::
Arakawa Hiromu = male
Interestingly I had read some articles pointing otherwise, including the following link which shows Arakawa's gender as female.
http://www.mangaseek.net/search/m/index.php?mid=5758
If you try to save her gender icon, it distinctly puts the name as female.gif.
So perhaps you could point out your official sources for Arakawa's gender so we could resolve this issue. (I too thought of Arakawa as male till I read the other articles and that profile site).
Ookla The Mok
2004-05-08, 15:58
Interestingly I had read some articles pointing otherwise, including the following link which shows Arakawa's gender as female.
http://www.mangaseek.net/search/m/index.php?mid=5758
If you try to save her gender icon, it distinctly puts the name as female.gif.
So perhaps you could point out your official sources for Arakawa's gender so we could resolve this issue. (I too thought of Arakawa as male till I read the other articles and that profile site).
Hm. Well, that's news to me. That page doesn't say anything about it other than the female gif, so I'd be interested to see the other articles you mention.
Arakawa did work as an assistant to the Guu mangaka, who is a female using a male pseudonym. Arakawa's cow avatar looks male to me, but cows are female...
Things like this have always bugged me personally. If someone is using a male pseudonym, and you are talking about the pseudonymous persona and not necessarily the real person, what's wrong with using the male pronoun? What's wrong with calling James Tiptree, Jr. "him" instead of "her," especially since Alice Sheldon went through great pains to keep her real identity a secret for many years?
This also begs the question, how many shoujo mangaka out there are men using female pseudonyms? I would be surprised if the number is zero. I do know that some romance novels in the US (which all have female author bylines) are written by men using pseudonyms.
Hm. Well, that's news to me. That page doesn't say anything about it other than the female gif, so I'd be interested to see the other articles you mention.
Arakawa did work as an assistant to the Guu mangaka, who is a female using a male pseudonym. Arakawa's cow avatar looks male to me, but cows are female... Yep and it's pretty well known that the females in Japan sometimes have the nicknames of "Ushi" (Cow), you don't find guys being called Ushi. But mangaseek is an accurate database.
A lot of the articles were in the blogs of Japanese viewers. Lots of them have expired by now :( But the general gist of them all were expressing shock that Arakawa-sensei is a woman. Note that the revelation of this (an award ceremony where Arakawa-sensei appeared in person, 小学館漫画賞 ) is supposedly in Early Apr 2004. In other words, it is a fairly recent revelation.
There's this one in a bbs which is the one that alerted me.
荒川弘先生が女性だったなんて…！！
周囲より１０日ほど情報が遅いまいんこです。
吃驚小波。
いやはやびっくりしました。
様々な固定観念から、荒川氏が男性と思って疑いませんでした。
本名は「荒川弘○」なんだとか。
弘子か弘美でしょうか。
確かに「弘」って名前は男性的ですが、同じく小学館漫画賞を受賞した篠塚氏も名前は「ひろむ」 ですしね。
描いている作品と、漢字とひらがなの差はありますが。
そんなわけで荒川先生の写真はっけーん！
http://www.ciao.shogakukan.co.jp/milmo/news/news.html
…それこそ篠塚氏のことについてですが。
集合写真の前列左端の黒スーツが荒川先生。
審査員の先生方も、授賞式当日になって初めて荒川先生が女性だと知ったんだとか。 Besides the statement, the above link leads to another anime news page whose mangaka was honoured in that award as well. Arakawa was supposed to have received an award also. In the photo of a gathering (the bottom left of the 6 photos), the woman in a black suit in the front row leftmost is supposed to be Arakawa-sensei herself.
On Amazon Japan, a reviewer ( http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4757511558/qid=1084075611/sr=1-15/ref=sr_1_2_15/250-0048535-1642678 ) says
ハガレンこと鋼の錬金術師の原作本のイラスト集です。
ガンガンの初期連載の頃から（読みきり漫画数本含む）この
荒川女史（弘という名で誤解されがちですが、原作者は女性です）
の絵はキャラがみんな独特の世界観の中で生き生きと描かれていました。
漫画も連載当初から人気でしたがアニメ化で更に過熱した様です。
が、やはり原点は漫画版です。So pretty much, the Japanese audience are already getting aware of her gender.
Things like this have always bugged me personally. If someone is using a male pseudonym, and you are talking about the pseudonymous persona and not necessarily the real person, what's wrong with using the male pronoun? What's wrong with calling James Tiptree, Jr. "him" instead of "her," especially since Alice Sheldon went through great pains to keep her real identity a secret for many years?Well supposedly the fact is she is using a male pseudonym because the editor felt she won't make it big using her female name. So it's still her writing as a woman to the audience. So it would be more truthful and appropriate to address the mangaka as a she.
This also begs the question, how many shoujo mangaka out there are men using female pseudonyms? I would be surprised if the number is zero. I do know that some romance novels in the US (which all have female author bylines) are written by men using pseudonyms.Its likely they would never come out openly revealing that unless they are handsome guys in real life. Girls want their idols realised, not destroyed. You should have seen the reaction of some of the fangirls on the bbs's when they realised Arakawa is a 'she'. Some accepted girl power. Some just went disappointed because they cannot father the child of the FMA creater :twitch:
evil|plushie
2004-05-10, 10:57
Its likely they would never come out openly revealing that unless they are handsome guys in real life. Girls want their idols realised, not destroyed. You should have seen the reaction of some of the fangirls on the bbs's when they realised Arakawa is a 'she'. Some accepted girl power. Some just went disappointed because they cannot father the child of the FMA creater :twitch:
What?? Really? -_- I need to go draw me some manga....
But seriously, fangirls are scary...
rorosama
2004-05-10, 19:27
which of the sins have the eye power i've heard so much about?
sarcasteak
2004-05-10, 19:55
which of the sins have the eye power i've heard so much about?
Manga's Wrath has the Ultimate Eye.
YukimuraAkira
2004-05-11, 14:50
i know you guys said no discussion about the anime but i like to be spoiled so i would like to know where i can at least find pictures in the manga of al and eds father and wrath?
thanks dont worry about the spoiling like i said i like to know this stuff.
sarcasteak
2004-05-11, 16:16
i know you guys said no discussion about the anime but i like to be spoiled so i would like to know where i can at least find pictures in the manga of al and eds father and wrath?
thanks dont worry about the spoiling like i said i like to know this stuff.
Suit yourself.
Ed and Al's father? The only "Father" I know of is the Father of the Sins; whether he is Ed and Al's father (Hohei-whatever his name is) we don't know for certain.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/883/father1.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7959/father2.jpg
Wrath is basically Fuhrer. I really don't think you need anymore visual aid to figure out how he looks like...but here are some involving his ability and tattoo.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2766/fuhrer1.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8305/fuhrer3.jpg
Wrath: Just like how you have the Ultimate Shield
Wrath: What I have is the Ultimate Eye
rorosama
2004-05-11, 20:24
Wow!!! Had no idea that was wrath!. So do he and ed fight. He seems to be really fast.
sarcasteak
2004-05-11, 21:49
Wow!!! Had no idea that was wrath!. So do he and ed fight. He seems to be really fast.
How could you tell Wrath was fast from those pics...? o_0;;
melkozchainz
2004-05-12, 00:34
i know this has been repeated many times,
but i would like to know what wrath's power is. Has it even been released yet?
and i would like to know what manga sloth is like.
could someone give me a list of homonculus "Ultimates"? like ultimate shield, eye, etc
dreamless
2004-05-12, 10:37
wrath's power is the ultimate eye, but how his power works is not clear yet... maybe it's because he's fast, when he and Greed fight, he can stab Greed full of swords before Greed even start to move, and Greed is quite fast considering he's a homunculus he already has superhuman speed.
I don't know if every homunculus has an "ultimate" or not, but then it seems Gluttony has the "ultimate mouth" so to speak (nothing official though :p)
BTW, the development in chapter 34 is a complete shock for me, never imagined things could turn out like that :twitch:
YukimuraAkira
2004-05-12, 12:11
wow that's really cool, it's too bad i'll never get to see it now being that the fma anime is licensed X(
im gonna go cry now.
btw the link in the beginning to the manga only has up to volume 4 how many translated volumes are there?
sarcasteak
2004-05-12, 16:22
i know this has been repeated many times,
but i would like to know what wrath's power is. Has it even been released yet?
I presume Wrath's Ultimate Eye allows him to see into the short future seeing how he owned Greed so gracefully and flawlessly...like constant-activation of Mido Ban's Snake Eye (Get Backers).
and i would like to know what manga sloth is like.
Here you go:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2594/sloth.jpg
I say the anime Sloth wins appearance-wise by a wide margin. ;)
could someone give me a list of homonculus "Ultimates"? like ultimate shield, eye, etc
These are the official ones:
Lust - Ultimate Halberd
Greed - Ultimate Shield
Wrath - Ultiamte Eye
Gluttony is probably Ultimate Tongue or Ultimate Mouth like dreamless said.
In the anime, Greed refers to Envy "Hey, Ultimate...Oh, wait, you liked to be called a monster"...otherwise we don't know because in the manga Greed has absolutely NO respect for Envy so all he does is diss him.
BTW, the development in chapter 34 is a complete shock for me, never imagined things could turn out like that :twitch:
I don't know...I kinda expected it to come sooner or later, so I wasn't really moved by it and didn't think it was "dark" like others do. :(
btw the link in the beginning to the manga only has up to volume 4 how many translated volumes are there?
Chinese scanslation is up to the most recent chapter, 34.
dreamless
2004-05-13, 17:29
I don't know...I kinda expected it to come sooner or later, so I wasn't really moved by it and didn't think it was "dark" like others do. :(
actually it's not whether it's "dark" or not that shocked me... it's that Lust becomes that military guy's girlfriend :eek:
:bash: :nono:
sarcasteak
2004-05-13, 23:00
actually it's not whether it's "dark" or not that shocked me... it's that Lust becomes that military guy's girlfriend :eek:
:bash: :nono:
Why are you complaining? Maybe we'll get a glimpse of why she is named Lust. :naughty: ;)
melkozchainz
2004-05-14, 04:20
Lust?
what military guy is Lust's boyfriend? (I don't wanna see him die...)
sarcasteak
2004-05-14, 05:03
Lust?
what military guy is Lust's boyfriend? (I don't wanna see him die...)
Jan Havok...one of Roy's men. Read Yebyosh's English translation of chapter 34 and you'll see. Poor fella doesn't know what he's getting into...tsk, tsk. :(
Some just went disappointed because they cannot father the child of the FMA creater :twitch:
uhu time for the guyz to rejoice then. unless she's married (or touch wood, can't hv children for some reason), guys stand a chance to be the father of her child hooray!
but i digress. male, female or she-male, arakawa-sensei's art rock big time. i couldn't really tell from the manga, well it was /good/ yes but i didn't have much more of an opinion than that (i kinda tot some of the charas look the same after you look at them awhile, like most manga charas tend to be eg: roy and izumi). 'til i bought the art book and was wowwed into next month.
wow, havok/voc's always struck me as an unlucky sap who always ends up getting the shorter end of the stick, eventho he's cool in his own right, skirt-chasin' habit and all...oh well, let's hope it's not another hughes case
Splendiferous
2004-05-18, 12:36
This question(s) is for someone who has both read and understands the more up-to-date chinese-translations of the manga, which although I'm trying to follow, not knowing very much Chinese sort of impairs that a little bit:
First off (All chapter 31-manga spoiler questions):
In Chapter 31, when Hawkeye 'captures' Barry the "Chopper" Armor, and then Mustang comes along to help question him... Were Hawkeye and Mustang originally planning to meet off duty and the chopper just happened to jump Hawkeye, or were they both operating undercover specifically to catch him or was it something else?
And if you have the time:
In the same chapter, while Greed is propped up on the cross, and before he's dissolved in (what I presume to be) 'imperfect liquid philosopher's stone'. He refuses or goes against something that (again presumption) Hoenhime/Pride says... What was it?
Finally if you're not bored enough already:
This is more of a theory question, unless it's been otherwise stated more explicitly in the manga... But I'm presuming that the existence and creation of the 7 homunculi each representative of one of the 7 sins is particularly important to some master plan that FMA is slowly revealing. Even though Greed seems to refuse to work with the others, if the existence of 7 'Ultimates' is important why would they go off and kill him? I guess it's asking much to presume that having all 7 homunculi is the lynch pin to whatever plan is being hatched, but it seems like something which would be important to the story. Has it already been stated explicitly that Greed isn't necessary? Or is he perhaps being replaced somehow?
Knowledge, thoughts, conjecture?
Thanks very much for any/all answers to questions, I'll shut up now
This question(s) is for someone who has both read and understands the more up-to-date chinese-translations of the manga, which although I'm trying to follow, not knowing very much Chinese sort of impairs that a little bit:
First off (All chapter 31-manga spoiler questions):
In Chapter 31, when Hawkeye 'captures' Barry the "Chopper" Armor, and then Mustang comes along to help question him... Were Hawkeye and Mustang originally planning to meet off duty and the chopper just happened to jump Hawkeye, or were they both operating undercover specifically to catch him or was it something else?
Spoiler question begets spoiler answer...
Nope Riza was off-duty and was grocery shopping. Barry was getting back to his old pre-armor days and decided to get an easy target. Unfortunately for him, his first target was Riza Hawkeye :heh:
Roy only came because Riza later called him to come.
And if you have the time:
In the same chapter, while Greed is propped up on the cross, and before he's dissolved in (what I presume to be) 'imperfect liquid philosopher's stone'. He refuses or goes against something that (again presumption) Hoenhime/Pride says... What was it?
The Father asked Greed if he would consider serving him again. Greed refused. As he was being sent to be deconstructed, Greed laughed and taunted The Father not to get choked by him (meaning Greed already knows the fate awaiting him).
Finally if you're not bored enough already:
This is more of a theory question, unless it's been otherwise stated more explicitly in the manga... But I'm presuming that the existence and creation of the 7 homunculi each representative of one of the 7 sins is particularly important to some master plan that FMA is slowly revealing. Even though Greed seems to refuse to work with the others, if the existence of 7 'Ultimates' is important why would they go off and kill him? I guess it's asking much to presume that having all 7 homunculi is the lynch pin to whatever plan is being hatched, but it seems like something which would be important to the story. Has it already been stated explicitly that Greed isn't necessary? Or is he perhaps being replaced somehow?
Knowledge, thoughts, conjecture?
The Father made Greed to be Greed (as implied by Greed's "You made me to be this way"), implying that the Sins were made out of design, not by chance or emotions.
Since The Father offered Greed a chance to come back but still killed him when refused, in his grand scheme of things, Greed is not really crucial but likely a bonus. In looking through the Sins, it can be theorised that they are a model series in a production line. Each one is an improvement over the previous model. Hence it is likely Pride would be the best Homunculus ever.
melkozchainz
2004-05-18, 23:40
Concerning Al(ch.33)
since when could he do alchemy without a circle? was it because he remembered what he saw when he tried to transmute his mom? and in that memory, is the little baby gluttony?
thx in advance for answering
Concerning Al(ch.33)
since when could he do alchemy without a circle? was it because he remembered what he saw when he tried to transmute his mom? and in that memory, is the little baby gluttony?
thx in advance for answering Ever since he remembered the Truth in Chapter 30. He remembered and slowly deciphered it, thus learning the concepts of true Alchemy as what Ed experienced. He only started trying it out in Chapter 33.
What baby Gluttony?! There is no baby Gluttony in those frames. There is only the Truth, Alphonse, his family and the usual alchemical images.
vesentac
2004-05-19, 02:48
Since Al is in a suit of armor, if he performs human transmutation,
what does or can he lose?
I mean Ed could just reform his armor so what does Al present in "equal trade"?
Since Al now has nothing more than a soul. It would be logical to think that if he did human transmutation he would loose the only thing he has....his soul.
Probably he would loose somethings like memmories....like memmories of his mother? Or loose some feelings like....loosing the ability to laugh...to feel sorry for cats.
Etc.
smukydog
2004-05-27, 19:40
concerning ch35
OMG I just read (actually it's more like "watched" since I can't read Chinese!) ch 35. I can't believe Mustang actually killed Lt Ross! It was so disgusting. Could somebody please tell me what did he say to her before he killed her? I can't believe Mustang is such an idiot to believe that Ross killed Hughes :sad:
melkozchainz
2004-05-27, 20:30
concerning ch35
OMG I just read (actually it's more like "watched" since I can't read Chinese!) ch 35. I can't believe Mustang actually killed Lt Ross! It was so disgusting. Could somebody please tell me what did he say to her before he killed her? I can't believe Mustang is such an idiot to believe that Ross killed Hughes :sad:
riza is talkin on the phone saying the colonel wont be back in just a short time(that is the big quote on the panel)
and
he did not say much. he is blunt
he just says "you are maria ross" and then snap!
to ed he just says "hmph. fullmetal"
wow. roy is strange
Now that I'm all caught up on the manga I have to say that Chapter 35 was SO disturbing, for a few reasons. For one, I liked Maria Ross. For another, that's a rather disgusting, inhumane way to die and for a third she was innocent. Although it's really Envy's fault, I can't help but hate Roy for that!
Edit: Added spoiler tags.
After reading chapter 35 I no longer think Roy will survive this story. I think he's made 2 very significant mistakes, both of which deserve retribution.
I'm sure Scar will be the one to deal with Roy...
Shame, as he's such a cool character...
Sonhex
I agree. While that didn't cross my mind, as soon as you mentioned Roy might not live out this story, I think you're right. He's done some pretty bad things and he's a little irrational. And I think it's that irrational attitude that will take him down. It is a shame...
But I can't say I like him anymore after what happened with Maria Ross.
I wonder what will happen with their battle next chapter, because Ed looks ready to give him hell.
Truly is too bad. He used to be cool. But it's very FMA-like. The good guys are not that good and the bad guys are not that bad. Several shades of gray exist. I love the complexity. :)
melkozchainz
2004-05-29, 05:40
first hughes, then maria. itll soon be havok, and roy might be coming up. if barry does anythin to farman or riza then im gonna faint. no more miniskirt plan :(
Chapter 215 was quite a shocker...
I was very, very disappointed. Roy did not even give Maria any chances. He simply asked whether she was Maria Ross before unleashing his flames on her.
Unless, of course, not everything is as it seems... But I doubt it...
Chapter 215 was quite a shocker...
I was very, very disappointed. Roy did not even give Maria any chances. He simply asked whether she was Maria Ross before unleashing his flames on her.
Unless, of course, not everything is as it seems... But I doubt it...
Yeah, I'm thinking this one was pretty final. It's too bad. -_- I know FMA likes to play with our minds so much, but I think in this case, it's not.
I wonder if Roy will actually play with Edward or if he'll avoid the upcoming fight.
In my opinion what Roy did was inhumane....but is also kind of correct.
<spoiler>I mean your important best friend died, several evidence points out that it is Ross who did it (of course its not but i'm thinking in Roy's view)...and the news paper just "confirmed" that it was Ross who killed Hughes (the newspaper was bs-ing...it was obvious that the military has planned for Ross to be blamed for this incident).
Well now that Roy knows (thinks he knows) who killed Hughes...of course he would revenge......while he was moving to the prison. Ross escaped, which gives Roy an even bigger opportunity to revenge.
Oh and this was what Roy said before he fried Ross.
Farman (is this his name?): *just recovered* That bastard...so this was what "lend me the phone" meant....to bash me in the head. *talks to Riza* Where is the Colonel?
Riza: The colonel is out. He said that he would not be back in a short while. *the camera then zooms to Ross engaging Roy*
Roy: Are you Maria Ross?
Ross: ?
Roy: *snap*
explosion occurs...Ross fried...FMA finds Roy.
Ed: What..? Whats the meaning of this?
Roy: Yo, Fullmetal.
Ed: WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!! </spoiler>
What Roy did was inhumane and unbecoming as a disciplined soldier.
He is turning into the disgusting, inhumane, alchemist stereotype that he himself loathes.
I pity him if and when he realises the truth of who killed Maes.
Yeah, he has a tendancy to self-guilt like Ed does.
LeafNinja
2004-05-31, 23:01
Put me in the group that thinks Roy pulled a fast one and didn't actually kill her. Just the way the events there played out leads me to think that maybe Roy is covering for her for some reason. I don't don't think Roy is that cold-blooded, he knows there are strange events going on. I doubt he will believe everything is as it seems, especially when it came to the events surrounding Hughes death.
The charred body with the convenient wrist ID tags remaining makes me think that is a subbed body. Roy might not let on to Ed that he made such a switch (at least until Roy figures out more about what is going on), but I figure the audience will at least see that he pulled the switch.
Roy pulling a fast one is highly doubtful. If you look carefully at the scans, you would notice there would be precious little time between the panel where Roy starts his flames and where Ed reaches that alley and sees that charred body.
I would hope he did, but since FMA is getting a dark turn, I would think Maria was sacrificed by the FMA creator to add more angst to the story...
then again, I don't think Roy is that ignorant to fry Ross just because she's suspected. As the title states - "Sacrificial Lamb" (I think it should be scapegoat). She's probably sacrificed for a reason. :)
then again, I don't think Roy is that ignorant to fry Ross just because she's suspected. As the title states - "Sacrificial Lamb" (I think it should be scapegoat). She's probably sacrificed for a reason. :)
And that reason is...
Thanks to Envy and Lust talking, they see Roy as a bit of a problem with his investigations, but they need him for sacrifice, so unfortunately for Maria Ross, she was accused to distract Roy's interests.
Akichan :)
Using spoiler tags since February 2004!
Having read FMA Chapter 36 in July's Gangan, I am more pleased in the way the manga is developing.
Though I started suspecting it, events in this chapter further convinces me that Roy is just a naughty, naughty man. Not bad, but naughty :)
I'm expecting that a bunch of hentai doujin lovers would be clamouring for their favourite hentai doujin mangakas to draw up an Ed-Winry scene at a certain moment... The suggestion then was way too easy (darn imagination... *bad Yebyosh!!!*)
The best part came at the end. It was a twist that I bet nobody expected, even the most hardened literature reader. What happened in the end was history coming back to bite in more ways than one. Can a body exist without a soul? Or is someone not who he claimed he was? Or the context of what 66 said then trying to unnerve Al is true! But oh what irony!!! :heh: :heh: :heh:
dreamless
2004-06-14, 21:37
I highly doubt the charred body is Maria Ross, because in anime or manga when you see an indistinguishable body, it means something fishy is going on
Anyway I think the FMA author took a very dangerous step here, it's most likely a lose-lose situation for him, unless he can pull out something miraculous in the next few chapters...
Rockpaperscissors
2004-06-15, 03:56
Having read FMA Chapter 36 in July's Gangan, I am more pleased in the way the manga is developing.
Though I started suspecting it, events in this chapter further convinces me that Roy is just a naughty, naughty man. Not bad, but naughty :)
I'm expecting that a bunch of hentai doujin lovers would be clamouring for their favourite hentai doujin mangakas to draw up an Ed-Winry scene at a certain moment... The suggestion then was way too easy (darn imagination... *bad Yebyosh!!!*)
The best part came at the end. It was a twist that I bet nobody expected, even the most hardened literature reader. What happened in the end was history coming back to bite in more ways than one. Can a body exist without a soul? Or is someone not who he claimed he was? Or the context of what 66 said then trying to unnerve Al is true! But oh what irony!!! :heh: :heh: :heh:
Yebyosh could you please spoilthe entire chapter 36 for me?? I rarely find manga info on the net and I wouldn't mind learning excatly what you mean with your hints...
thank you...
Scrumhalf
2004-06-15, 04:37
I'm expecting that a bunch of hentai doujin lovers would be clamouring for their favourite hentai doujin mangakas to draw up an Ed-Winry scene at a certain moment... The suggestion then was way too easy (darn imagination... *bad Yebyosh!!!*)
Is this for real, Yebyosh?
:love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Youko Recca
2004-06-15, 11:23
Yeah I got a question about the sins:
How exactly would you see the sins ranking in power from greatest to least?
Anyway I think the FMA author took a very dangerous step here, it's most likely a lose-lose situation for him, unless he can pull out something miraculous in the next few chapters...Hmmm, I am not too sure what you mean by this. "Lose-lose"? :twitch:
What I think of the situation is
the obvious act was just a shock tactic except that it was quite obvious that something else is brewing (the clues are pouring in, in my opinion) but the lil throwaway (since this shock tactic was just a cover up) is then overwhelmed by a twist at the end of chapter 36. It is like Arakawa-sensei set you up into thinking the first story was meant to be the "interesting" element but knowing it was cliched, set up the shock as it was meant to have, then another revelation is pulled out that you could not have suspected and you go "whoa!".
Well at least that happened to me :heh:
Yebyosh could you please spoilthe entire chapter 36 for me?? I rarely find manga info on the net and I wouldn't mind learning excatly what you mean with your hints...
thank you...Heh sorry, just bear with it till I get the time to translate it (should be quite easy since a Chinese scanlate just got released recently that I can verify/compare my own translations against his, time will then be taken up by editing).
Is this for real, Yebyosh?Picture this if you will,a woman wounded and hurt, sniffing away in her bedroom on her bed. She opens the door. A man stands there hesistant, he says a few words then he starts to turn away. A hand reaches out and say... "Come in"*gah, get these filthy thoughts out of my head!!!*
How exactly would you see the sins ranking in power from greatest to least?I don't know if there is a quantitative way to measure their power (power can mean quite a lot of things). But in terms of combat ability, I will put Wrath as the one that can kick all their hineys to kingdom come, and Envy shall be the one sculpering away whimpering like the worm he is :p
sarcasteak
2004-06-15, 13:21
Yeah I got a question about the sins:
How exactly would you see the sins ranking in power from greatest to least?
I don't think you can come up with definitive ranking for the Sins.
Wrath has the Ultimate Eye that allows him to predict enemy movements, can fight well at mid-range, and is too fast for the others; Wrath's swords can only penetrate certain weak points on Greed's Ultimate Shield
Lust is devastating from short to mid range and can do signifcant damage before the opponent can regenerate; Lust's Ultimate Halberd can only penetrate certain weak points on Greed's Ultimate Shield.
Gluttorny has huge hands and strong grip and is not that slow at all. His power only works at very short range but damages a large area very quickly; he might be able to melt Greed's Ultimate Shield, but this has never been tested.
Greed moves slower than Wrath and Envy, has to fight at a short range, and can't deal enough damage before the opponent regenerates, but his Ultimate Shield gives him a huge advantage in a prolonged fight.
Envy doesn't have an ability suitable for combat, so he resorts to cunning, superior hand-to-hand fighting, and human weapons. He is too agile for Greed, but he can't really do much damage in return against other Homunculi. Wrath will own Envy. So will Lust. Greed might be able to as well. Gluttony can, too, if he's hungry.
We haven't seen manga Sloth or Pride in action, so I can't compare them.
Well if anyone is curious enough, someone has put up the first 15 scans (bad quality) for chp 36 with their own Chinese translations at http://cs01.xfzx.com/bbsxp/showtopic2.asp?id=3394&forumid=2&page=10
This site is pretty unstable though...
Beware: if you decide to navigate around there, it is primarily a FMA fangirl site...
Heh, too bad it's only 15 pages...
Oh well, I'll be looking forward to see it translated. ^-^
(And btw,I personally prefer the manga version to the anime...Most people don't seem to, though. >_>)
ffinfinity
2004-06-16, 21:48
Heh, too bad it's only 15 pages...
Oh well, I'll be looking forward to see it translated. ^-^
(And btw,I personally prefer the manga version to the anime...Most people don't seem to, though. >_>)
actually the rest of the manga can be found on the same site too..
part 2 (pg 14 - 33)
http://cs01.xfzx.com/bbsxp/showtopic.asp?id=3415&forumid=2&page=38
part 3 (pg 34-41)
http://cs01.xfzx.com/bbsxp/showtopic.asp?id=3445&forumid=2&page=33
evil|plushie
2004-06-21, 14:23
Strange, when I load the site, I don't see any images at all.
Strange, when I load the site, I don't see any images at all. Use IE (Internet Explorer). If you use Mozilla or its variants, the contents of the thread there aren't visible. I suspect it is due to the use of style sheets which Mozzie isn't able to process.
evil|plushie
2004-06-22, 01:48
Strange, now that I've read 36, is it just me or is the guy at the end also called Barry the Chopper? (either that or my katakana is really fcked up)
Strange, now that I've read 36, is it just me or is the guy at the end also called Barry the Chopper? (either that or my katakana is really fcked up)
Yes, he is Barry the Chopper! :D Which is why I said that Arakawa-sensei really threw a nice spinball here. The Body of Barry the Chopper vs the Soul of Barry the Chopper (but is the latter the real soul? How can a body exist without a soul?!)
Yes, he is Barry the Chopper! :D Which is why I said that Arakawa-sensei really threw a nice spinball here. The Body of Barry the Chopper vs the Soul of Barry the Chopper (but is the latter the real soul? How can a body exist without a soul?!)
Well, it should be interesting to see how Barry's body is like without a soul... And the more you think about it, the more questions it raises. Just how important is the soul for the body? Just what is the definition of a soul in this manga? How will a body without a soul behave? (My guess is that Barry's body will be kinda like a zombie, with no thoughts or will. I also think Barry will be very happy to see his body. XD)
dreamless
2004-06-22, 06:16
Well, it should be interesting to see how Barry's body is like without a soul... And the more you think about it, the more questions it raises. Just how important is the soul for the body? Just what is the definition of a soul in this manga? How will a body without a soul behave? (My guess is that Barry's body will be kinda like a zombie, with no thoughts or will. I also think Barry will be very happy to see his body. XD)
well, it brings back the question
do homunculi have souls?
well, it brings back the question
do homunculi have souls?
For the manga, the answer is likely yes, though in what degree and manner, it is not totally revealed. Evidence being
The Blind Alchemist Gaiden. The real Rozarie has 'something' in her but no one knows what it is...
Also if you read chapter 31, you'll learn something more regarding the Homunculi known as Sins, and soul issue.
I read in a couple of the threads that homunculi are created after failed human transmutations, but what confuses me is that in the blind alchemist gaiden, the alchemist performed human transmutation but the wierd thing that normally results from human transmutations stayed weird looking and no homunculus resulted. Does that mean that something else has to be done to make a homunculus?
I read in a couple of the threads that homunculi are created after failed human transmutations, but what confuses me is that in the blind alchemist gaiden, the alchemist performed human transmutation but the wierd thing that normally results from human transmutations stayed weird looking and no homunculus resulted. Does that mean that something else has to be done to make a homunculus? The failed human transmutation storyline giving birth to the Sins is the Anime's storyline (BONES' idea). The manga has a different reason and story for the Sins' creation (Arakawa-sensei's original intent & story).
Just a note. Homunculus is an artificial human. As such, the Elrics in making their mother did make a homunculus. However theirs was a failure (hence the montrosity). Any Human Alchemy in trying to create a human actually istrying to create a Homunculus.
I've wanted to read the manga for a while now and after finally d/l some I wanted to ask how big the difference between the anime and manga is? I also was curious as to how far ahead the manga is compared to the anime.
I've wanted to read the manga for a while now and after finally d/l some I wanted to ask how big the difference between the anime and manga is? I also was curious as to how far ahead the manga is compared to the anime.
You can not really compare how far ahead the manga is to the anime because after the elrics meet their teacher the anime storyline and the manga storyline split and become very different.
I have a question of my own:
After reading vol. 31 I was curious as to how homunculus are created by that weird man in the chair if he appears to not be abel to move out of it? Also, what was it that he was drinking in the end was it liquified greed or wine?
Just read a chinese scanlation of 36. So unless the forensic pathologist is in cahoots with Roy, everyone's favorite Flame Alchemist really toasted Maria. Poor Roy, I wonder what will you do when you discover the truth.
Nice scene with Winry and the Hughes. Too bad there were no sparks in the subsequent Ed-Winry scene. *coughs evilly*
After reading vol. 31 I was curious as to how homunculus are created by that weird man in the chair if he appears to not be abel to move out of it? Also, what was it that he was drinking in the end was it liquified greed or wine? If you take his words as true, then it is liquefied Greed which is also part of his (Father's) soul. He imbued the Sins with parts of his soul when he created them. I suspect a sort of distilling out the sins from himself into the Homunculi. So in a way Greed had a soul... not whole but still a soul...
So unless the forensic pathologist is in cahoots with Roy, everyone's favorite Flame Alchemist really toasted Maria. Poor Roy, I wonder what will you do when you discover the truth. Just a thought. Roy did ask for all known records/information on Maria Ross. Imagine what that can mean...
Nice scene with Winry and the Hughes. Too bad there were no sparks in the subsequent Ed-Winry scene. *coughs evilly*Like I said, those hentai doujinshi drawers would have a field day with that scene... *grins nervously*
Scrumhalf
2004-06-28, 01:51
Just read a chinese scanlation of 36. So unless the forensic pathologist is in cahoots with Roy, everyone's favorite Flame Alchemist really toasted Maria. Poor Roy, I wonder what will you do when you discover the truth.
Nice scene with Winry and the Hughes. Too bad there were no sparks in the subsequent Ed-Winry scene. *coughs evilly*
Was there any hinted romance in the scene? What were they talking about?
werty704
2004-06-28, 02:37
Was there any hinted romance in the scene? What were they talking about?
sorry scrumhalf but there was no direct hinted romance in the scene. basically what happens is that winry finds out about hughes's death and she is crying in her room. edward knocks on the door. winry opens it. edward tells winry that the restruant will be closed soon so she better go get dinner now. edward advises winry that not eating is unhealthy for her. (well at least he cares) edward is about to leave but winry stops him. she invites him in. it turns out she wants to show him a pie she baked for hughes. edward is annoyed that he just had dinner and now he probably has to eat the pie. winry explains that she made the pie in hughes's house when she visted hughes's wife and elysia earlier that day after she found out about hughes death. she said that she learned the recipe from hughes's wife and ever since then was determined to make the best tasting pie for hughes to eat. but now she says hughes will not be able to eat what she had tried so hard to accomplish. as she breaks down crying, a very sad looking edward (despite his already full tummy) eats the first slice. and that was pretty much it.
Would someone be kind enough to post a brief summary of chapters 24 and 25?
Thanks.
:)
ChibiChibiChibi
2004-07-03, 11:03
Well, i'm wondering about Ling Yao. That guy is so funny... XD
MidoriShinobi
2004-07-09, 04:58
I think there was. Ed was blushing when she pulled him into her room. XD
He was probably annoyed when he found out that she only wanted him to try the pie she made.
Plus, you could really tell in that scene that Ed cares about her, when he tells her he thinks it's delicious.
C'mon, how can you get any mushier than that. As a girl, I was continually squealing through-out that scene.
http://img4.imgspot.com/u/04/190/04/ohoho.PNG
can someone put up a summary from chapter 30 up to current please?
rorosama
2004-07-10, 12:03
i hope mustang gets his. Maybe armstrong will get revenge. I thought the elrics would be madder because maria cared for them as much as hughes did. She wasn't around as long as hughes but cared as much.
Well, it seems like Riza might be in trouble. At the end of the chapter, Riza is wearing a cloak, a pair of headphones and holding a sniper rifle. Gluttony appears behind her and she shoots him right in the forehead. He regenerates. Meanwhile, Roys is shouting through the headphones but there is no reply. He remembers the scene with Hughes in the phone booth. The last page shows Roy driving and hoping that he's not too late.
I just hope she doesn't end up like Hughes..
And Ed is on the cover of Monthly GANGAN, again. :heh:
Well, it seems like Riza might be in trouble. At the end of the chapter, Riza is wearing a cloak, a pair of headphones and holding a sniper rifle. Gluttony appears behind her and she shoots him right in the forehead. He regenerates. Meanwhile, Roys is shouting through the headphones but there is no reply. He remembers the scene with Hughes in the phone booth. The last page shows Roy driving and hoping that he's not too late.
I just hope she doesn't end up like Hughes..
And Ed is on the cover of Monthly GANGAN, again. :heh: Buying August Gangan got me a Chibi Ed Keychain, darn cute one too :).
There's supposed to be a Chibi Roy Keychain as well. If I'm not wrong, it will come with next month's (September issue) Gangan along with a Roy Telephone Card.
Barry vs Barry. So a body without a soul will start to rot. Wonder if Barry (66) will want his body back or if he decides to run off with the Xings instead.
Havoc shows that he can rock too!
Then it seems likely that someone will die... we might get a chance to see Envy's fighting prowess as well... Poor Roy...
rorosama
2004-07-16, 15:13
That mangaka better not do anything else crazy! :frustrated: :mad:
Just read chap 37. The mangaka seems to be hell-bent on hanging his readers on cliff-hangers ne? I highly doubt Riza will get the same treatment as Hughes and Maria - after all, she is quite popular with the readers...
Then again, Hughes himself was a popular character when he was off-ed.
Of course, in order to sink Roy further into the mire of despair, etc, etc, the mangaka would most probably ... allow Gluttony to do his thing to Riza. At least an arm or two? She is in close quarters with Gluttony and has only her sniper rifle to protect herself......
You have to remember, at this point in time, the only arch-villian that the good guys have seen and fought was Greed and he was handed his ass by Wrath.
Youko Recca
2004-07-20, 08:18
What about that fool's other bodyguard?....where is she at right now again?
Replying back to something over 2 months old. :b
http://www.mangaseek.net/search/m/index.php?mid=5758
If you try to save her gender icon, it distinctly puts the name as female.gif.
I just happened to click on that link today, and the icon is now named male.gif.
I'm just curious as to why it changed.
(To throw people off..? :bb)
Anyway, hopefully Riza finds some way of escaping, although it's unlikely.. Maybe she's going to jump off the tower hoping to land on something (if not, to her death..) instead? >.>;
The manga is still unlicensed, right?
Yep. *keeps fingers crossed til it's finished*
omg, i wonder if all this is going to happen in the anime, only 9 - 10 episodes left, only so much can be brought up. I want to see this dark ending.
Is the manga like more in-depth then the anime? I know i takes a split but so many things seem to happen more in the manga, it just leaves the anime in like a hole.
So what chapters are you guys up to?
Replying back to something over 2 months old. :b
I just happened to click on that link today, and the icon is now named male.gif.
I'm just curious as to why it changed.
(To throw people off..? :bb)
Hmmm yes. Indeed it has changed. Seems some fellow updated it in May....
Which means.... either
a. some new evidence comes up, again throwing Arakawa-sensei's gender into doubt, or
b. since the news of Arakawa-sensei of being a woman was started somewhere in early-mid April, it could have been a late April Fool's joke. Which would then mean that I was hoodwinked :( :upset:
What would really clear this up would be an interview piece with Arakawa-sensei with a photo...
Anyway, hopefully Riza finds some way of escaping, although it's unlikely.. Maybe she's going to jump off the tower hoping to land on something (if not, to her death..) instead? >.>; Speculations on her options can be:
a. she escapes unharmed
i. through her own ingenuity, skills, luck
ii. through Roy's arrival
iii. through Gluttony's blunders
b. she escapes hurt
i. losing a limb (Automail anyone?)
ii. broke a limb
c. she dies
i. totally eaten
ii. half eaten
d. she disappears (mystery to be solved who-knows when...)
Take your pick :heh: :eyespin:
MidoriShinobi
2004-07-22, 10:49
I'm vouching for she loses a limb, or is put in a coma, ect.
Oh, and I'm honoured to be next to Yebyosh-sama. *bows*
Part of me believes she will die.. I wonder how Roy would react?
Hmmm yes. Indeed it has changed. Seems some fellow updated it in May....
Which means.... either
a. some new evidence comes up, again throwing Arakawa-sensei's gender into doubt, or
b. since the news of Arakawa-sensei of being a woman was started somewhere in early-mid April, it could have been a late April Fool's joke. Which would then mean that I was hoodwinked :( :upset:
What would really clear this up would be an interview piece with Arakawa-sensei with a photo...
Aww... hopefully it's (a) though.. and yeah, a photo would really, really help. :heh:
Speculations on her options can be:
a. she escapes unharmed
i. through her own ingenuity, skills, luck
ii. through Roy's arrival
iii. through Gluttony's blunders
b. she escapes hurt
i. losing a limb (Automail anyone?)
ii. broke a limb
c. she dies
i. totally eaten
ii. half eaten
d. she disappears (mystery to be solved who-knows when...)
Take your pick :heh: :eyespin:
Hopefully (a) i. or ii. ^^; If Riza HAS to die, then hopefully she's not eaten or half eaten. At least give us the whole corpse for Roy to mourn over! :heh:
rorosama
2004-07-22, 16:50
Reading again, there's no way he'll get there in time. I believe something or someone will intervene or she'll die, simple as that. She can't defeat him. If he gets a hand on her she's finished so maybe maybe or someone will tell him to come somewhere else.
:topicoff:
yay volume 8 came out
Cover
http://img42.exs.cx/img42/6501/gc08.jpg
Volume 8 is a collection of already-released manga, right?
Ookla The Mok
2004-07-25, 23:27
Replying back to something over 2 months old. :b
I just happened to click on that link today, and the icon is now named male.gif.
I'm just curious as to why it changed.
(To throw people off..? :bb)
Hum... checked Toriyama Akira (who we know is male) http://www.mangaseek.net/mangaka/1168.html and it has the same gender icon (male.gif). Maybe Arakawa wants to be seen as male? Or maybe someone on that site messed up...
wolfi_1412
2004-07-26, 00:49
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Arashidono
2004-07-26, 20:03
Can anyone tell the chapters you remember where were Ed/W moments ? Any?
Onegai!!!!
MidoriShinobi
2004-07-29, 04:35
I like you. *is a big Ed x Winry fan* :D
Chapter 36 had a good moment. It was really sweet, but sad. I think the whole rush valley arc, along with some of the parts before it had tons of EdWin moments. Starting with when Winry comes to fix Ed's automail while he's in the hospital. I forget which chapter that was, but I can find out for you. 37 had a small moment too, but it was more of a winry being concerned about the both of them. still a really cute scene though. she's so sweet when she wants to be. ^^
Arashidono
2004-07-29, 10:11
Thanks a lot! Yes, I love that couple.
If you remember anyone else, better :oP
Chiao
rorosama
2004-08-01, 19:48
To anyone whose read or seen any of chapter 38, can anyone give us a short summary of what happened? Anything would do as i'm dying to know just what the hell happens. Thanks in advance for any replys.
AFAIK, it's not out til the 12th of this month. :(
hubrisnxs
2004-08-01, 21:32
Yeah, it's not out until later this month, probably the 12th.
Blasted month wait between chapters ;o
rorosama
2004-08-01, 23:56
Ooops, didn't know it was a monthly manga. I thought manga, especially popular ones like fma came out weekly or bi-weekly. Or is it the magazine that it's published in which comes out monthly. Well thanks anyway. :)
hubrisnxs
2004-08-02, 00:29
Ooops, didn't know it was a monthly manga. I thought manga, especially popular ones like fma came out weekly or bi-weekly. Or is it the magazine that it's published in which comes out monthly. Well thanks anyway. :)
Most other popular manga's are in the Jump magazine (weekly), like One Piece/Naruto/Etc. One of the perks (I guess) of it being in Gangan is that each chapter is about 40 pages, while weekly ones are only 18-20. Still, after the end of 37 it's hard to wait so long :(
I just found the scanlation links up to chapter 37.. sweet. Now I don't have to wait for Evil-Genius. :D
But it's awfully different from the anime (I'm not following the anime, just watching a few sporadic episodes)... does anyone know at what point the story diverges? Or is there any sites with manga/anime difference list?
Chapter 37 is a nasty cliffhanger... especially since I've grown into a somewhat RoyxHawkeye shipper -_-; I just hope that Riza's fate doesn't have to be Roy's "punishment". I like Riza more than I like Roy.
Although, it's still not confirmed whether Roy actually killed Maria Ross. Everything seem to point that way, even the coroner. But when Roy sends Armstrong on vacation where there's "beautiful women", could he be talking in codes saying that Ross is actually at that place?
hubrisnxs
2004-08-04, 09:44
The anime really seemed to "break off" around the 5th lab/Hughes death part, and then it REALLY changed during Izumi's little arc. But the anime has always been a little different, adding characters, showing things out of order etc... Hope that explains it a bit, I doubt there's a site with all the differences since there are too many :heh:
Lunchboxx
2004-08-07, 04:09
sorry to ask this, Im not sure if FMA is licend manga or not, but are you guys geting these translated or are you just reading the jap( or chinnese translations) versions. if not is there an irc channel or a webpage I coudl get them off, ive bin searchin for em but had not luck.....again sorry if this should not of bin asked.
hubrisnxs
2004-08-07, 08:03
sorry to ask this, Im not sure if FMA is licend manga or not, but are you guys geting these translated or are you just reading the jap( or chinnese translations) versions. if not is there an irc channel or a webpage I coudl get them off, ive bin searchin for em but had not luck.....again sorry if this should not of bin asked.
Not licensed, we're getting translations of the most recent chapters from Yebyosh :)
Not licensed, we're getting translations of the most recent chapters from Yebyosh :)
i suppose the most recent chapter is 37? and where are you getting the chapters off from yebyosh? does he have a site? :) thx
lol, Sonchou get the "it-didn't-seem-bad-when-we-translated-it" award for 14:04 -
"Brother, I'll sleep with Father." :p
hubrisnxs
2004-08-09, 21:36
i suppose the most recent chapter is 37? and where are you getting the chapters off from yebyosh? does he have a site? :) thx
www.anime-source.com, should be able to find the fma manga on the left panel.
I just got Gangan September Edition. I was mistaken about something, namely that it is not a Chibi-Roy Mustang figurine that was given free, it is a Chibi-Alphonse Elric :D.
Now onto Chapter 38, let me say that it was an exciting, surprising and funny ride with a horrifying twist at the end.
Vague spoilers, I'm not going to go into details but some things would be revealed (of course the more exciting ones would be kept secret)
The High Supreme Four Legged Being of FMA, the most deadliest of all creatures in FMA strikes again!!! Huzzah!!! :heh: :heh: :D People will be joyous on seeing what he does!!!
Envy, Envy, Envy... what a kick you got out of this adventure eh? ;)
So that's what the Philosopher Stone means for the Homunculi!!! :eek:
Lust in deadly action... cutting both ways.... :eek: :uhoh:
This chapter is intense!
annechan
2004-08-11, 06:41
I'm not going to go into details but some things would be revealed (of course the more exciting ones would be kept secret)
This chapter is intense!
OMG Yes you are going to give us details ! please *__* What about Riza what about her !! we need to know
OMG Yes you are going to give us details ! please *__* What about Riza what about her !! we need to know Nope, I already gave too much away :p A word of warning: the change of pace and momentum for this chapter is quite enormous. It really threw a curveball.
Now time to start reading and translate. Wonder when I can get my hands on the raws :D No scanner means I can't scan my Gangan :p
OMG Yes you are going to give us details ! please *__* What about Riza what about her !! we need to know
Let's just hope that someone *Hint* translates it. So that we can enjoy all the intensity with pictures and everything. But it sounds like quite an interesting chapter.
Really wanna see chapter 38 waaah just imagine what pwnage episode it will be, probably gonna end with Hawkeye dieing :sad:
No person can work alone with a manga
That's why Yebyosh.... hurry up and get a scanner :p
annechan
2004-08-11, 09:11
Nope, I already gave too much away
You are EBIL ^___^ can't wait to read your translation through.
You're my savior, so I'm going to sacrifice child or/and virgin blond to honor you and try to be patient.
hubrisnxs
2004-08-11, 09:57
Wow sounds great lol, "The High Supreme Four Legged Being of FMA" eh? Wonder who that is :p
/goes off to try to find the raw
Now onto Chapter 38, let me say that it was an exciting, surprising and funny ride with a horrifying twist at the end.
I didn't see the whole thing, but yeah, the end of the chapter was like "OMG!!". :heh:
And about Riza, she was-- oh wait, nevermind. ;)
Can't wait for it to be translated. :)
rorosama
2004-08-11, 16:03
You guys are killing me!!! What happens to Riza! :frustrated:
Lavender
2004-08-11, 18:20
Judging by what Yebyosh and OMchan said....i'm guessing Riza is still alive rite? CUz if she did die that would count as something major in this chapter and u guyz would surely mention smth about it rite?
haha call it wishful thinking...but i hope to c a scene of Roy being the hero and saves Riza..........I dunno if that would realli happen though, just becuz Riza has a strong personality and isnt the type to wait for someone to come and rescue her.
hubrisnxs
2004-08-11, 19:37
Just looked over 38, man what an awesome chapter. TONS of action, and another cliffhanger~~ :heh:
That part with Lust really grossed me out, so that's what they use it for ... glad they won't be animating that :twitch:
:p
Can't wait til next month! :love:
With no Fullmetal Alchemist anime action until Aug 21 we need all the FMA we can get!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhh I hate waiting!!!!!!!
SilentNight
2004-08-11, 20:45
There is no raw version out on a site? I'd rather just look at the pictures for a while. At least that would sustain me. At least I know Riza doesn't die...But now I have two other things to worry about.
Riza Hawkeye
2004-08-11, 21:05
there are a lot of pictures that Omchan and chrnonuriko posted here... zillion of text spoilers...
http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/807408.html
wolfi_1412
2004-08-12, 02:05
OMG! OMG!! I wanna read the whole thing!!
rorosama
2004-08-12, 10:55
There is no raw version out on a site? I'd rather just look at the pictures for a while. At least that would sustain me. At least I know Riza doesn't die...But now I have two other things to worry about.
Geez that's all i wanted to know! Thanks!
rman0099
2004-08-12, 11:18
I'm new to the manga so I was wondering what chapter in the manga corresponds to where the tv eps currently are?
hubrisnxs
2004-08-12, 11:33
I'm new to the manga so I was wondering what chapter in the manga corresponds to where the tv eps currently are?
The show completely broke off from the manga over 15 episodes ago, they are nothing alike anymore :twitch:
(No longer needed as Chp 38 is already out)
there are a lot of pictures that Omchan and chrnonuriko posted here... zillion of text spoilers...
http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/807408.html
Ok well even if Lustie rules she went a lil too far ... Havoc was a hottie ! Is the mangaka planning to kill all my fav characters !? Take Winry, Ed or Al :heh: !!!
Psssst, over here...
http://www.anime-source.com/%7Eyebyosh/FMA/Misc/FMA_A.jpg
http://www.anime-source.com/%7Eyebyosh/FMA/Misc/FMA_B.jpg
Of course I snipped off the interesting parts :heh:. Wait till I finished translating and editing the whole 45 pages.;)
O.M.F.G. !!!
Oh my god (yea i ramble)I hope Super Roy will save Riza .... I never like Gluttony but now i'm gonna beat him up if he dares to kill one of them :frustrated: (yea i know i'm a rabbid shipper/fangirl too :heh: )
Anyway thx a lot Yebyosh, as usual you own !!!
I want to read ((((more More MORE ))) Yebyosh-sama !!!
rorosama
2004-08-12, 14:22
:nono: Not Al!!
:nono: Not Al!!
:p Ok ok ... Al is kawaii so no Al ....lol
Ok well i just read the 38th chap ...
and well ... wow is the only one word suiting !
I love Black Hayate ! !! And well Lust is kinda insane...but well i think like her
(but hands off... Roy/Riza are meant to be together ... and alive )
:upset: Farewell Hottie Havoc :upset:
Thanks a lot for the teasers too ! You go guys ! :heh:
Havoc looks as if he's pierced through the heart... but when you see it again it's somewhere below. So he can still survive.
HE BETTER DOES :upset:
You're cruel, Yebyosh, giving the teasers such that it's nastier to Riza than it really is, lucky there's that LJ post :D Well, keep up with your wonderful work, us fans are dying to see this chapter.
I'm curious what Lust means with 'soul and flesh'.
And damn, I just had an FMA dream... about Roy's squad having a mission in a shopping mall near my house... lots of people taking pictures and I was one of them.
Talk about fanning:S
SilentNight
2004-08-13, 02:47
I've read someone's livejournal and that person definitely made my night by giving out a cool summary. And I can at least relax a little until those two things in the scans have been proven.
If anyone wants the summary, here it is. http://www.livejournal.com/community/fma_het/43842.html#cutid1
It should help the people that are anxious for a summary and the next chapter. But people who don't want spoilers, refrain from this link.
Teh Dave
2004-08-13, 07:00
Poor Gruttony shall forever be known as the useless bugger that gets owned by a puppy.
rorosama
2004-08-13, 13:17
It seems in the anime and manga lust doesn't mind getting her ass kicked as she can dish it out equally. Envy Dodges crap all the time.( But doesn't do much else). Seems like a action packed chapter. Can't wait to see it.
wolfi_1412
2004-08-14, 02:24
we love you Yebyosh-sama!!!!! -for translating 'em!!!
:bow: :love:
:P
Both 37 and 38 ends in Cliffhangers. Can our fragile mind handle this much excitements?
inu-fma88fan
2004-08-15, 01:09
omg i just finished 38 and the last two pages were shocking!!
lust. how did she do that. rengenerate without the pstone?? and lol it was kind of rude of roy to do that XD
havoc just goes.. i have bad luck with women...poor dude hope he doesn't die
HK anime seeker
2004-08-15, 07:41
I'll be ashame for Roy to go :sad: Wonder if he'll have an amazing comeback in the next chapter. Also I wonder whats goign to happen to Envy and Mr.Useless?
evil|plushie
2004-08-15, 11:14
Man....is there no way to kill the sins? Even ripping out their 'heart' wont do. And Envy and Greed got owned -_-, which is kinda sad.
wolfi_1412
2004-08-15, 14:18
might be the only way is by the 'father'
Oh, I really hope that the only way is father. x'D (I like the Uroboro Sibs a lot.. *cheers for them*cough*)
I was a little worried when Roy ripped the stone out.. but YAY they can regenerate even from that. xD!
Wonder what will happen to Envy and Glutt too.. I Don't think Ling and his Ninja will kill them *phew* ..and well, HOW to kill them anyway. xD
Most likely they want to get information about immortality once again. (but since Greed as an Uroboro was searching for that one as well.. the two won't know either + they aren't the smartest anyways ?! xD ..yeah, wonder how that will develop~)
..I hope father does not get too mad at them later. °° xD
If anything happens to glutt and envy.. THEN I'd be pissed. XDD ..about Roy I don't care~ *gets stabbed now* xD;
(tho Lust won't kill him YET.. he's a human sacrifiece after all, or isn't he ? °°)
and since this is first time posting after much much lurking.. THANKS the translator Yebyosh ! xD
..each month you show me how much mistakes I still make when reading japanese. XDDD *random*
slickrick23
2004-08-15, 17:02
mustang asked lust about hughes i think this means that maria ross isn't dead
my guess: as long as any part of the body like blood touch the stone, the homunculus will be able to regenerate...
wolfi_1412
2004-08-16, 13:59
it seems that Lust was sort of dying and grab Roy's hand and she sort of heal herself
sarky-sama
2004-08-16, 17:45
Here's my tiny theory from looking at the last few panels (and seeing Lust regenerate around the PStone, from my perspective)...
It seems that Philosopher's Stone, when used in the creation of homunculi, provides a 'link' (possible soul/spirit, since each are made from and by the Father) between that homunculi and the PStone. Hence, if for some reason the PStone is ever extracted from a homuncli, its original body wil decay and the homunculi 'linked' to that particular PStone will regenerate around it (no part of it's body needs to touch it). Of course, this may be a wild theory, but it would make the homunculs virtually unkillable, except in the destruction of the PStone itself (where, according to this wacky theory, Greed's PStone was destroyed by Father in that vat of mystery substance, and that portion of the soul returned to him)
wolfi_1412
2004-08-16, 20:02
yeah, that's what my bro said when I discuss it
devilpim
2004-08-25, 21:16
ach! when will the new episode come out?
I just want to know if Roy is going to die.
But seeing the position of Lust's nails....it's not an importent part of the body.
I hope he doesn't die in the next chapter!!!
chamelean75
2004-08-27, 02:41
Well I hope he doesn't die either heheh.
ach! when will the new episode come out?
Usually something like the 14th day ( end of the 2th week ) of month. It's monthly series.
Both 37 and 38 ends in Cliffhangers
Cliffhangers are basics of manga. But yes it's quite big cliffhanger this time.
Good chapter like always. Thank you for your effort Yebyosh.
I think it's the 12th Gangan monthly is released on.
I just started reading the manga again since i stopped at vol 04 where TW stopped and then i realised that the manga is way different to the anime. anyways, i just getting a bit confused here so ima ask some questions.
Just a quick question about the anime. is Pride the fuhrer? now to the manga. In the manga, there is no kid named wrath is there? the wrath in the manga is the fuhrer right? and there isnt a sloth that is ed's mum but some other sloth right? so pride is the one who hasnt been revealed yet?
I just started reading the manga again since i stopped at vol 04 where TW stopped and then i realised that the manga is way different to the anime. anyways, i just getting a bit confused here so ima ask some questions.
Just a quick question about the anime. is Pride the fuhrer? now to the manga. In the manga, there is no kid named wrath is there? the wrath in the manga is the fuhrer right? and there isnt a sloth that is ed's mum but some other sloth right? so pride is the one who hasnt been revealed yet?
The anime introduced different character as the homunculus. It also differed on who and how homunculus are created. Below is a running list of the difference:
Lust: Both anime and manga are the same character. Possess the Ultimate Halbred (her finger can be extended into razor sharp blade that cuts through stones). Roaming around the country with Envy and Gluttony. In the anime, Lust was created by Scar's alchemist brother.
Envy: Both anime and manga are the same character. Shapeshifter. Roaming around the country with Lust and Gluttony. In the anime, it's suggested that Hoenheim Elric created Envy.
Gluttony: Both anime and manga are the same character. Consumes everything. Roaming around the country with Lust and Envy. In the anime, it isn't clear who created Gluttony, though Hoenheim Elric is a strong candidate.
Greed: Both anime and manga are the same character, though in the anime, Greed is imprisoned in the 5th Research Lab for 100 years, while in the manga he roam free on his own for a century. In the anime, Ed killed Greed after being tricked by his creator Dante. In the manga, he is unmaked by Father after being incapacitated by Wraith. In both instance, Greed possess the Ultimate Shield, which allows him to turn his skin into diamond-like surface. Also in both version, Greed rebelled against his creator. In the anime, Dande created Greed.
Sloth: In the anime, she's a homunculus created by Edward and Alphonse. She later adopted the name Julia Douglass. In the manga, Sloth is a hulking man in chain, supposedly forced to work by Father. The anime version of Sloth can turn into water.
Wraith: In the anime, he was the homunculus created by Izumi Curtis. He also grafted Edward's arm and leg. He can subsumed any object. In the manga, King Bradley is Wraith, and he subdue Greed to be unmake by Father. Also note, manga's Wraith seemed to be the only homunculus that can age, thus allowing him to be able to pass as a human.
Pride: Has yet to appear in the manga. In the anime, King Bradley is Pride. In either case, King Bradley of both version possess the Ultimate Eye (under his eye-patch) which some have speculated that he could use to forsee possible outcome in the very near future, thus allowing him to completely anticipate his opponent's movement. He's also very fast.
In the anime, homunculus are the end result of failed human transmutation. In the manga, all of the homunculus are the creation of an semi-unseened alchemist named Father. Father appears to be able to cut off pieces of his own soul and encapsulated it into a small Philosopher's Stone to serve as base of the homunculus. We've seen this with Greed and Lust.
socomberetta
2004-09-09, 02:07
Couple of Questions:
From what I understand, the basis of alchemy is exact trade, whereas to create something, you need to have something similar to that to transmute into the final product. Am I right so far? If Im right, why did Ed and Al lose their bodies when trying to create their mother when they had the core ingredients to create 1 adult body to trade?
Is there any significance to the holes in the homunculus' clothes? I remember seeing Bradley injuring Greed in so many ways yet he was able to regenerate, but when Bradley stuck those swords through the holes in his suit, he didn't attempt to regenerate or remove the swords.
oic Bigfire, thanx for the information. So now in the manga, greed is dead huh? :S he was probably the coolest homunculus since he ran away :D
oh also...
since the anime version of FMA says that failed human transmutation is what causes a homunculus to be born and also says that their weakness is parts of their old body, in the manga that doesnt apply does it? since Father made them...and also in the anime, when they were starting their journey for the p.stone, why was it so difficult to find info on it when even scar just made the transmutation circle just like that around the city? does it have a specific transmutation circle? sorry i just havent watched it properly :S just been skipping through it
Awwwwwww
We will se Hawkeye crying....No Roy is not dead....Havoc needs intensive cares....Fangirl moment... YAY
EDIT i kinda forgot to give ya a link for a spoilerific summary ....>>> HERE <<< (http://www.livejournal.com/community/fma_het/55195.html) Enjoy
There's raws for ch 39 here
http://www.livejournal.com/community/fma_het/55509.html?nc=2&style=mine
Not mine, I just found them while surfing. I haven't looked at them yet, I wait for the translations. ^^;
Chapter 39: Intricacies of Central
Someone dies!!! Someone cries...
Actually, two people died in this chapter.
One important event that happens in this chapter though...
Pride enters the scene!
Well, in a manner of speaking...
hubrisnxs
2004-09-10, 11:21
Wow....Jeez, chapter 39 was so emotional ;_; I'm still in Shsjafarwrew mode just after looking through it...
Al totally kicked ass! Manga Al > Anime Al (duh). What he said (more or less) to Hawkeye was so great.
We might as well call it the Armour/Flame Alchemist now eh? :D Ed hasn't been seen in like 2 months/chapters now....
Barry was so awesome :(
:bow: :bow: :bow:Arakawa-sensei!!
I just noted a lil mistake in the summary Kelya posted...
Where it says
Envy was furious. He started saying how they had not seen his true form yet. A voice came on. I think it's Bradley. Envy and Gluttony stopped their attack and withdraw. By the time they were gone, then Ling Yao and Lan Fang realised they forgotten to ask about the way of immortality.
It was actually
Pride, not Bradley
Also, I have my doubts where it says that Lust transferred Barry soul back to is body, then again i was kinda confused during that scene (yeah, my jap level is too low, sorry :p)
I thought Chapter 39 was a pretty good chapter. (RoyAi goodness! Whoo! XD) But I didn't expect Riza to go and fire at Lust like THAT. o.o;; And I didn't expect her to cry either. ^^; But that's what I like about Fullmetal Alchemist. ;)
wolfi_1412
2004-09-11, 02:39
saw the RAW pics and read the summary.. really excellent chapter.. and a chapter full of RoyAi!!
everyone's prolly seen it by now, but just in case here's the scanlation of Chapter 39 by Yebyosh:
http://www.anime-source.com/banzai/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=762
OMG yay for Roy x Riza!!! XD XD XDD!! Poor Barry, he was crazy, but he was cool. I still don't get why his body decided to randomly scratch him out of existence though...
I wish the manga came out more often, but then again we'd only get like 10 page installments. It's nice to have a good long read after waiting so long :)
GryphonZ
2004-09-22, 16:16
Can't wait for Epi40
The story of manga is better than anime so far XD..~!
and Al in manga is less naive than anime.
Some FMA Yonkomas (4 panel comics) available for reading at http://www.anime-source.com/banzai/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=768
Arakawa and gang presents the funnies.
Some FMA Yonkomas (4 panel comics) available for reading at http://www.anime-source.com/banzai/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=768
Arakawa and gang presents the funnies.
Oh dear god, those are hilarious! I have to buy DX now :heh:
Thanks for translating a few! :)
hey, i got a question kinda off topic but the FMA Perfect Guide i heard it was over 700 pages. is that true??
and im waiting for chapter 40 as well, when is it coming october 10th?
Does anyone remember which chapter Wrath makes his first appearance in the manga (Besides the small part in chapter six where the boy with the grinning face talks to the young Ed)?
hey, i got a question kinda off topic but the FMA Perfect Guide i heard it was over 700 pages. is that true??
and im waiting for chapter 40 as well, when is it coming october 10th?
I don't think its 700 pages o.o but I'm not about to go count. The perfect guide is worth buying... IF you know Japanese.
I don't think its 700 pages o.o but I'm not about to go count. The perfect guide is worth buying... IF you know Japanese.
i donno japanese, but i know korean, and its in korean. so yea, im definately get Ting it
A preview of Chapter 40....
Pretty big spoilers... be warned!
http://www.anime-source.com/banzai/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=16152&sid=434dab66b715efde08cc73a4a2cfa9fc#16152
Man...
http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/1142316.html
It was so obvious Maria Ross was alive! I knew Roy wouldn't do something so stupid.
Did Havoc say he couldn't feel his legs...?
There are ch 40 raws here: http://photobucket.com/albums/v495/makinochan/
I didn't scan, I don't know the person who did it. >__> I'm just a messenger.
Man...
http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/1142316.html
It was so obvious Maria Ross was alive! I knew Roy wouldn't do something so stupid.
Did Havoc say he couldn't feel his legs...?
Yep, why else would he carbonized a body so thougherly? We now have in the same chapter, picture of Hohemheim and Father. Ok, their beard really look alike. Father looks like Hohemheim with his hair not tied up in a ponytail. Plus the dog's reaction to him is somewhat suspicious. I'm now leaning away from Hohemheim == Father theory, but Hohemheim is definately related. Perhaps a creation by Father? It looks like Roy will have his hands full dealing with Bradley.
Yay! Maria's not dead! :o
And whoo! Mei Chan and her little panda! XD
First reaction on glancing through:
Maria was much safer in the prison than dodging the 'emotional hugs' of Armstrong. He does not take 'no' for an answer :heh:
Now I got the scans, off to work... :D
jubileerain
2004-10-11, 23:34
First reaction on glancing through:
Maria was much safer in the prison than dodging the 'emotional hugs' of Armstrong. He does not take 'no' for an answer :heh:
Now I got the scans, off to work... :D
Havoc apparently has to retire & can't feel his legs. :( I hope its a temporary thing, though I doubt it. I wonder if we'll get an explanation of how Maria Ross survived. I like the idea of Father creating Hohenheim. That'd be interesting :thinker:
Havoc apparently has to retire & can't feel his legs. :( I hope its a temporary thing, though I doubt it. I wonder if we'll get an explanation of how Maria Ross survived. I like the idea of Father creating Hohenheim. That'd be interesting :thinker:
Breda will probably explain everything to Ed in the next chapter (god hopes so anyhow), those ruins look interesting to me though, I wonder what kind of part they will play in the future...
Poor Maria, having to fend off Armstrong! :heh:
just saw the chapters, nice indeed.
btw i saw korean version not yebyosh's so dont ask
nothing much happened, Ed and Armstrong goes reseembol, and meets Breda, they set off to the east. Hohenheim arrives at reseembol.
oh, and doesnt this remind you of matrix?
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/2219/040_9.jpg
Ha, both me and my sister noticed that. XD We were like "OMG MATRIX :OOO"
She also says that Xellos from Slayers reminds her of Ling...
Don't know how much this has been discussed, but
concerning Roy's apparent killing of Maria, there is substantial evidence to suggest that the whole thing is staged.
Consider him asking Lust (was it her?) about Hughes while they fight. Also, Barry the Chopper and Roy had more than sufficient time to chat, that is not to say that Roy might have adviced Barry to help Maria escape but who knows. (I don't really see any apparent reason for Barry running off like that once he sees the newspaper). Also since Roy already knows of Hughes' warning of danger/dissent within the military, I highly doubt that he would take their word so easily for Maria's blame.
(Also there's the bit after that where Roy goes to the (I think) east headquarters and appears to be talking on the phone to random girlfriends for a while until we find out that he is actually talking to Hawkeye, doing that as a way of keeping his actions secret from certain members of the military. Might not this be like that too?)
Or maybe this is just wishful thinkig on my part, bearing the time until the next volume, is all;)
Last of the Uchiha
2004-10-29, 18:30
Since i didn't find A&Q Thread, i will post my question here.
I have recently started reading FMA (one of the best manga so far) and i'm up to chapter 30. How many chapters have been translated so far? I heard that the anime has come to an end, but if that so, has the manga also have come to an end? Is the manga still running in Japan?
The anime itself has come to an end already, however, it's story will see a conclusion in a movie that will be released next Summer.
On the contrary, the manga has no visible signs of comming to an end ^^ Yebyosh has kindly translated up to chapter 40, you can find his scanlations over www.anime-source.com
Last of the Uchiha
2004-10-29, 21:47
The anime itself has come to an end already, however, it's story will see a conclusion in a movie that will be released next Summer.
On the contrary, the manga has no visible signs of comming to an end ^^ Yebyosh has kindly translated up to chapter 40, you can find his scanlations over www.anime-source.com
Thanks a lot.
Anko Plushy
2004-10-30, 22:28
I'm new to the manga but I have read to the 31st or 32nd chapter so I'm not sure if this is a spoiler so I'll mark it as one...
1. I am still verrrrrrrrrrrry upset that Hughes died! He was the most inspiring character to me. He was such a loving father and when his daughter was all "No don't bury daddy! He won't be able to go to work tomorrow! Daddy!" I started to cry I still cry when I read that chapter.
2. Envy is soooooooo hot!!! I :love: him!!! He looks so kick ass!!!
3. Greed was pretty cool and I'm sorry to see him die. He made a great bad guy
4. NOOOOOOOOO!!!! THEY KILLED THE DOGGY CHIMERA DUDE!!! I HATE THE PRESIDENT ALCHEMIST DUDE!!! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TT_TT IT'S NOT FAIR!!!! HE WAS SOOOOOO CUTE AND ADORIBLE AND COOL!!! THOSE CHIMERAS DIDN'T DESERVE TO DIE!!!!!!!!! TT_TT
5. When Ed and Al tried to use alchemy to bring their mother back and failed was that Gluttony that appeared?
5. When Ed and Al tried to use alchemy to bring their mother back and failed was that Gluttony that appeared?
No, Gluttony was created by
the father
in the manga, what Al and Ed created was another homunulus that eventually died because it was not self - sustaining enough
the special characteristic of the father's homunculus is that they have a philosopher stone as a core, and it seems the father imbues them with a piece of his soul
crazyXsunshine
2004-11-08, 19:33
ehhh
yeah. that little hole in anime. what human looks like gluttony, that cute little beast?
but but. ENVY. KILLED. HUGHES. HOW CAN YOU LIKE ENVY.
and and int he anime he killed ED!
physicsgeek
2004-11-09, 03:56
but but. ENVY. KILLED. HUGHES. HOW CAN YOU LIKE ENVY.
and and int he anime he killed ED!
CrazyXsunshine, i really think you should put that in the spoiler tag! Arrggghh! Noooooo!!
Now I know Envy killed Ed in the anime!
physicsgeek
2004-11-09, 06:03
I've been reading the Chinese translation of FMA and my neighbourhood comic shop's latest volume of FMA (chinese) is the 8th.
Does anyone know which is the latest volume (of the chinese version)? And if it's eight, please let me know when the next vol. will be published. Thx.
Last of the Uchiha
2004-11-09, 15:37
I've been reading the Chinese translation of FMA and my neighbourhood comic shop's latest volume of FMA (chinese) is the 8th.
Does anyone know which is the latest volume (of the chinese version)? And if it's eight, please let me know when the next vol. will be published. Thx.
I don't know when the next volume might come out, but i heard that on Now 10th, chapter 41 is coiming out, if i remember correctly.
crazyXsunshine
2004-11-09, 16:49
heh.
sorrry , i dunno how to use it.
but all i can say is WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN!
Last of the Uchiha
2004-11-09, 20:32
heh.
sorrry , i dunno how to use it.
but all i can say is WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN!
Are you talking to me or someone else? Has chapter 41 come out?
jubileerain
2004-11-10, 19:30
Are you talking to me or someone else? Has chapter 41 come out?
Yes chapter 41 has been released. Someone from the fma lj community (http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/) scanned the cover & last page. Looks like chapter 42 should be interesting. :)
Yes chapter 41 has been released. Someone from the fma lj community (http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/) scanned the cover & last page. Looks like chapter 42 should be interesting. :)
There's a post now that has a link to the whole chapter. Yay~
Last of the Uchiha
2004-11-10, 21:29
Yes chapter 41 has been released. Someone from the fma lj community (http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/) scanned the cover & last page. Looks like chapter 42 should be interesting. :)
Thanks a lot dude.
This is the best chapter ever, although i don't understand japanese
Ed get to meet his father at the end of the chapter, and he is looking pissed. I expect in chapter 42, a fight between them.
Well... good news and bad news.
Good news:
I have received the scans ( quite bad quality though ) and translated and edited them 100%.
Bad news:
I am not releasing them yet because all manner of raws out there ( except the entire Gangan raw ) lack the title page! Hence I do not know what the title of this chapter is :frustrated:
Anyway, today is the day I pop down to Kinokuniya to pick up my Gangan, so the scanlates will be released later in the day :p
Based on the first look through of chapter 41,
1. Bunny is so cute!!! :heh:
2. The final pagel of Maria's journey was quite touching.
Well... good news and bad news.
Good news:
I have received the scans ( quite bad quality though ) and translated and edited them 100%.
Bad news:
I am not releasing them yet because all manner of raws out there ( except the entire Gangan raw ) lack the title page! Hence I do not know what the title of this chapter is :frustrated:
Anyway, today is the day I pop down to Kinokuniya to pick up my Gangan, so the scanlates will be released later in the day :p
Based on the first look through of chapter 41,
1. Bunny is so cute!!! :heh:
2. The final pagel of Maria's journey was quite touching.
braaaaaains! :p
hurry up yebyosh :)
physicsgeek
2004-11-15, 09:22
Umm... this is a be-lated reply to someone who asked regarding the line 'All is One, One is All' and Ed's response to that line. (the question was posted somewhere here)
Well, this line doesn't mean that Ed thinks he's God or whatever. It refers to the food webs and other things which co-exist together (meaning one cannot exist without the other). So if you are refering to organisms, in this case: All equals all organisms on Earth; One equals any one of the organisms. Because One cannot exist independently and exist as a single entity, nor can All exist without the many Ones.
I hope this answers that guy's question. :)
Kai_Svenson
2004-12-02, 16:43
Interesting things in this thread, but I take it from the talk that the manga is still continuing and 42 is the next chapter to be released?
Raw Chap 42 scans (http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/1429623.html) are out
Last of the Uchiha
2004-12-10, 19:00
Raw Chap 42 scans (http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/1429623.html) are out
Thanks a lot.
jubileerain
2004-12-11, 14:59
Raw Chap 42 scans (http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/1429623.html) are out
I wish there was more dialogue between hohenheim & ed. & I also wished Al got a chance to talk to him. All in all, it was an interesting chapter. I thought Hohenheim was back for good though. Guess not. He's a guy with lots of secrets.
I wish there was more dialogue between hohenheim & ed. & I also wished Al got a chance to talk to him. All in all, it was an interesting chapter. I thought Hohenheim was back for good though. Guess not. He's a guy with lots of secrets.
Secrets indeed...
Hohenheim: Terrible things are going to happen to this country soon. Go away while you still can.
:twitch:
Last of the Uchiha
2004-12-11, 21:38
Has the chapter been translated yet?
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