Macross Frontier 2nd Movie: Sayonara no Tsubasa

[monir]

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Premier Date: February 26, 2011

Website: http://www.macrossf.com/


As the hardcore Macross fans are already aware of from the tease trailer featured in the end of the Macross F 1st Movie, there were a second Macross F movie in the making. On the 15th of August, 2010, Bandai gave an official date that is posted above via their twitter account. ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-08-15/2nd-macross-frontier-film-dated-for-february-26-2011) has done an article as it reads in the following:

The official Twitter account of Bandai Namco's Bandai Collectors division has confirmed on Sunday that the second Macross Frontier film, Macross Frontier ~Sayonara no Tsubasa~, will open in Japan on February 26, 2011. The announcement was made at Girasama Carnival, the summer Macross Frontier event which ran at the Pacifico Yokohama on Sunday.

Feel free to add to the information as they come out and I'll update the opening post accordingly.

[Foreshadow]

The only times I'm usually able to go to Japan is December and July. I think I'm going to try and take some time off to go and watch this at the premier.

I'm excited Already :D

[raile]

The only times I'm usually able to go to Japan is December and July. I think I'm going to try and take some time off to go and watch this at the premier.

I'm excited Already :D

You are sooo lucky. ;___;

[justavisitor]

from the poster, I think I can guess the ending already...

It will be a big happy party for every character in the movie XD

February 26, 2001...that's a long time to wait (not to mention to wait for its DVD....)

edit: it's 2011 XD

[Shiroth]

February 26, 2001...
I wish. :p

[Ravenblitz]

>_< nice i wonder what will be the story

waiting for the BDs of the first movie

[Foreshadow]

You are sooo lucky. ;___;

That is, If my grades can handle me being away for a month or two o.O

Being a half has its benefits :p

[Crimson Cloud]

So, is this the final chapter in Macross? If so then I hope it's resolved with who Alto stays at the end. Some people were rather pleased what series presented, but it want to be clear, Sheryl or Ranka. =)

[Yot-chan]

So, is this the final chapter in Macross?
Of course not...there will always be more Macross!

[Shiroth]

^30th anniversary in two years, so we should get something awesome. :D

[ibby]

^30th anniversary in two years, so we should get something awesome. :D

I was just thinking that, and that I was thinking that we would most likley get more Macross OVA's.:D

[magnuskn]

I was just thinking that, and that I was thinking that we would most likley get more Macross OVA's.:D

Hopefully Macross Frontier OVA's. ^^

Although I'd also be for a Frontier / 7 cross-over. LISTEN TO MY SONG to the max! :p

[Shiroth]

Although I'd also be for a Frontier / 7 cross-over. LISTEN TO MY SONG to the max! :p
Would be amazing, though i'd prefer a new project. I mean it's the 30th anniversary, so we need something extra special.

[BetoJR]

A full-scale crossover would be something, wouldn't it? However, I highly doubt something like this would happen...

[ibby]

Would be amazing, though i'd prefer a new project. I mean it's the 30th anniversary, so we need something extra special.

I to would prefer a new Macross Project for the 30th Anniversary. I justed fhinished watching Macross Zero and Macross Plus tonight, thought that Plus was brilliant and that Zero was rather weak and average. While wahcing Macross Zero I thought that the 3DCG of Zero look rather crap now compared to the CG of Macross Frontier.

Inregards to the 30th anniversary project which will hopefully get the go ahead, it's important to get a good music composer and director on board, and leave Kawomari to do the design work for the Valkyrie's. Would love to see an Macross OVA with 2 female pilots as the leads fighting over a fellow female pilot (yuri), for the love triangle. My thoughts regards the love triangle of Macross 30th Anniversary being a Yuri one is that I love the current Batwomen, and is a great comic book and they put the yuri or love between the females is rather interesting. Anybody else agree with me that the Macross 30th Anniversay project should be a Yuri love triangle among pilots?

[magnuskn]

Would be amazing, though i'd prefer a new project. I mean it's the 30th anniversary, so we need something extra special.

Sheryl IS extra special. :love::love::love:

[monir]

I think we will be getting some hints at more Macross for a TV series or OVA at the end of the 2nd movie in the form of a tease trailer or something similar showed at the end of the 1st movie.

[Yot-chan]

I'm with Shiroth...I'd rather see something completely new, with few-to-none old characters reappearing.

It's the Macross way, after all...

I think we will be getting some hints at more Macross for a TV series or OVA at the end of the 2nd movie in the form of a tease trailer or something similar showed at the end of the 1st movie.
I doubt it...yes, 2012 is close, but not THAT close. While I'm sure they've been thinking about what to follow Frontier with, I can't believe much work has been done on it yet.

[pinoy78]

I think it's gonna be a brand new OAV.

[Shiroth]

I'm with Shiroth...I'd rather see something completely new, with few-to-none old characters reappearing.

It's the Macross way, after all...
Exactly. :D

I think it's gonna be a brand new OAV.
Yeah i'm gonna go with it being an OVA.

[magnuskn]

I'm with Shiroth...I'd rather see something completely new, with few-to-none old characters reappearing.

It's the Macross way, after all...

I'd rather see Kawamori addressing the things he left unresolved than galloping off to do the next new project. And no, the movie doesn't count for me, since it's another continuity.

Hell, Macross freaking seven got how many OVA episodes before they moved on? I really do hope that they give Frontier some more love before their next project. The series especially needs it, given that it's ending was sub-optimal.

[Shiroth]

^I'd love some Macross Frontier singled out OVA stories, though not for the 30th anniversary. We need some extra special for that, like a new project.

[Yot-chan]

I'd rather see Kawamori addressing the things he left unresolved than galloping off to do the next new project. And no, the movie doesn't count for me, since it's another continuity.

Hell, Macross freaking seven got how many OVA episodes before they moved on? I really do hope that they give Frontier some more love before their next project. The series especially needs it, given that it's ending was sub-optimal.
Leaving things unresolved is ALSO the Macross way...

And Macross freakin' 7 really only got a half-hour movie and a four-part OVA before they moved on. Encore doesn't count, since those were just unbroadcast TV episodes.

Frontier is the only Macross story so far to get not one, but TWO theatrical movies. To me, that sounds like a lot of love given to the show.

[BetoJR]

I'd have to agree. And we're even getting a clips release, aren't we? I, for one, am really looking forward to it.

[Arsham]

daaamn i LOVE frontier best macros ever! and story was great only thing that boder me is how alto diched ranka multi times, and i need a answer about.....
which girl??? ranka or shery??? i want clear answer in next movie!
not some crapy happy everyone together ending, i wana know the real end of story :)

[magnuskn]

Leaving things unresolved is ALSO the Macross way...

And Macross freakin' 7 really only got a half-hour movie and a four-part OVA before they moved on. Encore doesn't count, since those were just unbroadcast TV episodes.

Frontier is the only Macross story so far to get not one, but TWO theatrical movies. To me, that sounds like a lot of love given to the show.

My main gripe is that we get a re-telling, which, IMO, is superfluous, since the series was very good, excepting the non-resolution at the end. I really am a bit at a loss what the overachieving goal of making two movies with a new continuity is? More money than making OVA's?

The only other reasonable alternative I see is that Kawamori is hell-bent on "fixing" Ranka or didn't really like how his own series went down. The problem there is, making separate continuity movies doesn't fix the series... it still is its own continuity and its problems persist. The only way to actually fix them is to go back and do some OVA's ( or, better, a second season ) to actuallly address the underlying problems, most of which concern Ranka. It's not as if there isn't enough material with a possible cyborg/human conflict, which was set up quite thoroughly with what went down with Grace and the people from Galaxy.

[BetoJR]

More money than making OVA's?
Most likely.

[Foreshadow]

Most likely.

Sad isn't it?

Frontier needs to be resolved in the movies, if it isn't then it needs some other follow up media, preferably mainstream. Do you remember love? resolved the triangle in a nice way, I'd like that to happen with Frontier too, except they're building a future with a colony.
I don't agree with the way PLUS ended though. That was stupid.


I'd like a new project for the 30th anniversary though, Preferably a triangle with two guys and a girl this time :D.

[Shiroth]

I don't agree with the way PLUS ended though. That was stupid.
I like it, i mean it's better then showing the happy couple together after a certain death.


I'd like a new project for the 30th anniversary though, Preferably a triangle with two guys and a girl this time :D.
So you didn't get enough of Macross 7 and Macross Plus? :p

If we see a triangle now with two males, it's obviously going to be bishies~

[magnuskn]

I like it, i mean it's better then showing the happy couple together after a certain death.



So you didn't get enough of Macross 7 and Macross Plus? :p

If we see a triangle now with two males, it's obviously going to be bishies~

I wouldn't mind a triangle with three women. :p

[Yot-chan]

My main gripe is that we get a re-telling, which, IMO, is superfluous, since the series was very good, excepting the non-resolution at the end. I really am a bit at a loss what the overachieving goal of making two movies with a new continuity is? More money than making OVA's?
Do you also feel that DYRL is superfluous?

[Foreshadow]

I like it, i mean it's better then showing the happy couple together after a certain death.

Am I missing something? Or is this exactly what happened o.O


So you didn't get enough of Macross 7 and Macross Plus? :p

If we see a triangle now with two males, it's obviously going to be bishies~

I always need MOAR Bishies :D

[magnuskn]

Do you also feel that DYRL is superfluous?

Nope. But, unless I remember incorrectly, SDFM had a real ending. Or did I imagine Misa and Hikaru ending up together, Minmay growing up enough to let Hikaru go, Khyron and Laplamiz being dead and all the rest?

And I know that a second season is a pipe dream ( although a sweet one ), but what speaks against some OVA's? Sometimes this Macross "This is how it must be" dogmatism gets mighty tiring. I want some resolution on the romantic front and I want it in the real continuity, not the movie one.:frustrated:

[Yot-chan]

Nope. But, unless I remember incorrectly, SDFM had a real ending. Or did I imagine Misa and Hikaru ending up together, Minmay growing up enough to let Hikaru go, Khyron and Laplamiz being dead and all the rest?

Frontier had a real ending, too. Peace was made with the Vajra, Galaxy was defeated, Grace was stopped, Sheryl was cured, Ranka regained her memories, Brera was freed, Ozma and Kathy got back together (and Bobby's okay with that), Leon was arrested, and you've asserted on many an occasion that THERE IS NO DOUBT that Alto chose Sheryl.

What more remains to be wrapped up, aside from whether Nanase will follow her heart and choose Ranka, or follow the cash and choose Luca?

[magnuskn]

Frontier had a real ending, too. Peace was made with the Vajra, Galaxy was defeated, Grace was stopped, Sheryl was cured, Ranka regained her memories, Brera was freed, Ozma and Kathy got back together (and Bobby's okay with that), Leon was arrested, and you've asserted on many an occasion that THERE IS NO DOUBT that Alto chose Sheryl.

Doesn't change that it was left unresolved. Yeah, I am 100% sure that in the end Alto will get together with Sheryl. But leaving the main conflict of the show uinresolved is just shoddy storytelling. And I will never, ever understand why the writers thought it would make good storytelling sense. The only damn reason which seems likely is that they thought "more money if we don't upset the Ranka fans!", which is pretty goddamn pathetic hackery.

And what's the problem you have with one or a few more OVA's?

What more remains to be wrapped up, aside from whether Nanase will follow her heart and choose Ranka, or follow the cash and choose Luca?

Besides that and the above mentioned romance resolution, there are literally tons of stuff which could be explored. How will Ranka react to Cathy getting together with Ozma? How will Bobby react? What will Ozma have to say to Ranka for running away and leaving Frontier in a ditch ( okay, seeing how he did the same, probably "Good job!" ^^ )? What will Klan do now, after the battle is done? How will Brera integrate into the familial union of the Lee's? How will Alto and his family interact. Hey, how will Sheryl be integrated in that family? Can we get some more "relationship time" with Sheryl and Alto, like in episode 23, pretty please?
How will Rankas complicity and running away be dealt with by the people of Frontier? How does the new government of Frontier shake out? What happens with Leon now?
Is Grace really dead dead?

Or how about something less character driven as the main plot for an OVA. How about that Birdman idol we saw Brera looking at during the end sequence. What's that about? Are there protoculture ruins on the planet? Or how about some resolution to what happened to the Galaxy colony. Are the people there all complicit or where they taken hostage by whomever where the backers of Grace?

So, please, don't give me "there's nothing more to tell". Just 5 minutes of thinking gave me all that.

[Shiroth]

Am I missing something? Or is this exactly what happened o.O
Well it did, and it didn't.

Frontier had a real ending, too. Peace was made with the Vajra, Galaxy was defeated, Grace was stopped, Sheryl was cured, Ranka regained her memories, Brera was freed, Ozma and Kathy got back together (and Bobby's okay with that), Leon was arrested, and you've asserted on many an occasion that THERE IS NO DOUBT that Alto chose Sheryl.

What more remains to be wrapped up, aside from whether Nanase will follow her heart and choose Ranka, or follow the cash and choose Luca?
Exactly the point what i was going to make, and why a second season would seem pretty damn pointless at this stage. Just give a few OVA's that are set after the series, or during it. I don't mind either way.

As the reason behind the two films, i don't see what's wrong with going about a different story with the cast that you already have. Saying that, i've just always loved retelling films after a TV series. :3

[Westlo]

I think it's gonna be a brand new OAV.

I think they're be far more money in a tv series.... it's not like Plus or Zero has ever sold anywhere near as good as Gundam Unicorn OVA 1. Anyway be interesting to see what 8-Bit do for the 30th aniversity project, in the mean time I'm really looking forward to the first tv project in Infinite Stratos which is airing next Jan.

Besides that and the above mentioned romance resolution, there are literally tons of stuff which could be explored. How will Ranka react to Cathy getting together with Ozma? How will Bobby react? What will Ozma have to say to Ranka for running away and leaving Frontier in a ditch ( okay, seeing how he did the same, probably "Good job!" ^^ )? What will Klan do now, after the battle is done? How will Brera integrate into the familial union of the Lee's? How will Alto and his family interact. Hey, how will Sheryl be integrated in that family? Can we get some more "relationship time" with Sheryl and Alto, like in episode 23, pretty please?
How will Rankas complicity and running away be dealt with by the people of Frontier? How does the new government of Frontier shake out? What happens with Leon now?
Is Grace really dead dead?

Honestly none of this shit matters, all shows should have some unresolved things remaining and not have everything ticked off from a list. What should've been resolved though was the thing that drove and dominated the show, the love triangle. Now MacrossWorld old guard with sticks up their asses can get pissy all they want when the triangle is brought up, (not talking about you Yot) doesn't change the fact that the triangle dominated the show period It should've been resolved, ghostlightning's blog details why far better than I could so i wouldn't even try to half ass explain it when he's said if much better than I could.

[magnuskn]

Honestly none of this shit matters, all shows should have some unresolved things remaining and not have everything ticked off from a list. What should've been resolved though was the thing that drove and dominated the show, the love triangle. Now MacrossWorld old guard with sticks up their asses can get pissy all they want when the triangle is brought up, (not talking about you Yot) doesn't change the fact that the triangle dominated the show period It should've been resolved, ghostlightning's blog details why far better than I could so i wouldn't even try to half ass explain it when he's said if much better than I could.

Just responding to the scurillous assertion that there is nothing more to tell from Frontier, Westlo. Yeah, my main point is still the damn romance was left unresolved (which is different from "inconclusive", btw ) and that was pathetic storytelling and needs to be corrected in the series continuity. But nobody can tell me that an OVA would just consist of "Sheryl and Alto embrace, Ranka wails "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/)!", The End". There are still lots of things which could be done for one or more episodes of an OVA. A second season would need more stuff, but as I said, I just put five minutes of quite pissed off thinking into it, I imagine more creative people like Shoji Kawamori could conceivably come up with something more to do with these hugely popular characters than little me.

Whoever first says "Inconceivable!" gets an iocane powder coctail. ;)

[BetoJR]

"Inconceivable!"

[magnuskn]

"Inconceivable!"

Have a cup of wine. :D

[BetoJR]

I'd rather have whiskey, but that'll do. Actually, just a coke. :p

[cheesie]

I had no idea there was a release date for the second movie already!

And the poster looks really mahou-shoujo like - I could just picture the second movie ending with a Sheryl x Ranka duet yet again, this time with magical pink sparkles and rainbows and all. :P (Of course, there better be more than just that, or many heads will roll, says the fans.)

[Yot-chan]

Honestly none of this shit matters, all shows should have some unresolved things remaining and not have everything ticked off from a list. What should've been resolved though was the thing that drove and dominated the show, the love triangle. Now MacrossWorld old guard with sticks up their asses can get pissy all they want when the triangle is brought up, (not talking about you Yot) doesn't change the fact that the triangle dominated the show period It should've been resolved, ghostlightning's blog details why far better than I could so i wouldn't even try to half ass explain it when he's said if much better than I could.
I absolutely agree...the major plot points are resolved; yeah, there are tons of little details and loose ends to engage the specialist, but most people aren't Frontier specialists. Every work of fiction ALWAYS has loose ends and unanswered questions.

(And hey...it's okay. I do have a stick up my ass about people who obsess over the love triangle to the exclusion of all else. :D So include me all you want!)

Just responding to the scurillous assertion that there is nothing more to tell from Frontier, Westlo. Yeah, my main point is still the damn romance was left unresolved (which is different from "inconclusive", btw ) and that was pathetic storytelling and needs to be corrected in the series continuity. But nobody can tell me that an OVA would just consist of "Sheryl and Alto embrace, Ranka wails "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/)!", The End". There are still lots of things which could be done for one or more episodes of an OVA. A second season would need more stuff, but as I said, I just put five minutes of quite pissed off thinking into it, I imagine more creative people like Shoji Kawamori could conceivably come up with something more to do with these hugely popular characters than little me.
Ummm...yeah. I didn't say there was nothing else to be said, ever...just that the story was resolved. An epilogue would've been nice, but it didn't happen. It didn't happen for any other Macross series, either. What happened to the three Zentradi spies from the original series? Was everyone on the Macross's bridge okay after Kamujin's final attack? What about Claudia? Did she ever find love again, or did she just drink herself to death? Was Isamu punished or rewarded? Did he and Myung end up together? Who did Mylene finally choose? Did Max and Milia ever get back together? Where are Shin and Sara?

It's par for the course. We can HOPE, of course, but I'm just trying to be realistic about it.


Whoever first says "Inconceivable!" gets an iocane powder coctail. ;)
You keep'a usin' dat word. I don'na think it means what you think it means. :p

[Mei19]

So that's how it is.

1st movie- Sheryl
2nd movie- Ranka~

Common denominator- Trolly ending!

If I'm Kawamori and I'm having a field day with all the profits I earned by not resolving the triangle, I wouldn't go there either. Point is. Don't keep your hopes up about any LT resolution and just enjoy what they give you. That will save you from getting distressed over cartoons.

Shoujo = Awesome! Ranka's poster = Awesome! So I'd take shoujo fluff any day over Emo movie posters.:cool:
and you've asserted on many an occasion that THERE IS NO DOUBT that Alto chose Sheryl.

LOL!!

[magnuskn]

Ummm...yeah. I didn't say there was nothing else to be said, ever...just that the story was resolved. An epilogue would've been nice, but it didn't happen. It didn't happen for any other Macross series, either. What happened to the three Zentradi spies from the original series? Was everyone on the Macross's bridge okay after Kamujin's final attack? What about Claudia? Did she ever find love again, or did she just drink herself to death? Was Isamu punished or rewarded? Did he and Myung end up together? Who did Mylene finally choose? Did Max and Milia ever get back together? Where are Shin and Sara?

It's par for the course. We can HOPE, of course, but I'm just trying to be realistic about it.

Yeah, of course they could just stop bringing out Macross material, but I think the chances for some OVA's are quite higher than you think. We'll see after movie two, I guess.


You keep'a usin' dat word. I don'na think it means what you think it means. :p

Why do I suspect Beto hasn't seen Princess Bride? ^^

LOL!!

C'mon, give me a credible way Ranka ends up with Alto. You know, with motivations on why Alto would chose her, given all circumstances, his promise to Sheryl and with all which happened before. My skills in dissecting arguments from the Ranka side haven't gone to rust, I think. Make my day. :)

[BetoJR]

Why do I suspect Beto hasn't seen Princess Bride? ^^
Why? I didn't get eaten by eels yet...

[raile]

Hmm...I just hope parents don't bring their litter of kids to the movie on account of that poster.

"Oh, look a magical girl! I wanna watch that mommy!"

"Of course, dear. What could it be possibly about? It must be G-rated with a lot of rainbows and unicorns!"

[Westlo]

The current discussion for Highschool of the Dead is pretty fun, especially when Macross got brought into it for the lolz.

[B][FONT="Century Gothic"]So that's how it is.

1st movie- Sheryl
2nd movie- Ranka~

Wow girl you need to get a clue, movie 1 is all about Ranka too. You need a link to a bleach forum so you can see the light.

[Shiroth]

"It must be G-rated with a lot of rainbows and unicorns!"
That would be Macross 7. :heh:

[magnuskn]

Why? I didn't get eaten by eels yet...

There are certain...answer expected when certain code words fall. :D

[BetoJR]

But don't you understand anything that's going on?

[magnuskn]

But don't you understand anything that's going on?

Maybe now I am drawing blanks on quotes from the movie? Eh, let's move on. :p

[BetoJR]

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[magnuskn]

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OMG, Westley! <rolls down the hill> :D

[justavisitor]

I wonder how the japanese audiences will react to the 2nd movie...imo the gap between the two movies is too big lol...plus it's almost 2 years after the series and the hype about Frontier is pretty much gone...

P.S I thought the original ending was 3 ppl lived happily ever after...just like those classic tales...no one will say those classic tales are left unresolved?? :heh:

[Tak]

I wonder how the japanese audiences will react to the 2nd movie...imo the gap between the two movies is too big lol...

Tell that to the people making the new Evangelion movies and New Type polls.

plus it's almost 2 years after the series and the hype about Frontier is pretty much gone...

For you maybe.

P.S I thought the original ending was 3 ppl lived happily ever after...just like those classic tales...no one will say those classic tales are left unresolved?? :heh:

Those classic tales rarely involved a love-triangle at the end.

- Tak

[pinoy78]

I never would've guessed Sheryl would have THAT MUCH staying power in the Newtype polls.

Color me impressed. The Galactic Fairy will be rememberedq for a LONG time.

[magnuskn]

I never would've guessed Sheryl would have THAT MUCH staying power in the Newtype polls.

Color me impressed. The Galactic Fairy will be rememberedq for a LONG time.

Are you kidding me? She is a fantastic character. :)

Actually, I am puzzled that she doesn't constantly rank higher, but then again Japanese otaku culture is at this point heavily slanted towards moeblobs ( see K-ON ), so it's amazing that she can overcome that barrier in the first place.

[Crimson Cloud]

Are you kidding me? She is a fantastic character. :)

Actually, I am puzzled that she doesn't constantly rank higher, but then again Japanese otaku culture is at this point heavily slanted towards moeblobs ( see K-ON ), so it's amazing that she can overcome that barrier in the first place.

She would probably venture higher if there were music games aka ''Sing with Sheryl'' or something similar. I'm surprised she isn't a featured character in that Vocaloid game series.

I still think a mech action + dating game would be a perfect combo ;)

[BetoJR]

Why, yes, it would. I'd love one of those.

[CaptGloval]

The current discussion for Highschool of the Dead is pretty fun, especially when Macross got brought into it for the lolz.

Wait, what's all that about? Would you care to elaborate?

[magnuskn]

Wait, what's all that about? Would you care to elaborate?

+1

I've avoided that show because of the huge T&A overload. Still, I am interested to hear if it is better than it looks.

[BetoJR]

It is much better than you might think. It is fun. And there is, at least, one very interesting character in it.
Strangely enough, lots of Sheryl fans seem to dig her, as well.

[Shiroth]

Okay, i think that's enough off-topic discussion guys. This isn't a thread for open chat about other shows. :)

[BetoJR]

Not much else to talk about, for now, anyway. :p

[Yot-chan]

Not much else to talk about, for now, anyway. :p
O RLY?

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=33738

:D :D :D

[Shiroth]

^Oh my, it actually happened. This has just made me day. :D

Though i'm going on holiday now for a week :(, so hopefully i'll be able to listen to them later today.

[magnuskn]

Okay, i think that's enough off-topic discussion guys. This isn't a thread for open chat about other shows. :)

Nonetheless, I would like Westlo to at least link to the other discussion he mentioned. :)

[Tak]

It is much better than you might think. It is fun. And there is, at least, one very interesting character in it.
Strangely enough, lots of Sheryl fans seem to dig her, as well.

*coughBUSUJIMAcough*

She is the most popular HotD character right now, anyway :p

- Tak

[cheesie]

It is much better than you might think. It is fun. And there is, at least, one very interesting character in it.
Strangely enough, lots of Sheryl fans seem to dig her, as well.

Aye, Busujima is one of the few worthy enough to inhabit my signature space. :p

With that said, I suppose it's a good idea to let the topic go back on track now.

[Yot-chan]

DUDE!!! You guys are HANDED a previously unreleased Macross concert ON A SILVER PLATTER, and with MAY'N'S BIRTHDAY thrown in to boot, and you're STILL talking about High School of the Dead...?

WTF, people? :p

[magnuskn]

DUDE!!! You guys are HANDED a previously unreleased Macross concert ON A SILVER PLATTER, and with MAY'N'S BIRTHDAY thrown in to boot, and you're STILL talking about High School of the Dead...?

WTF, people? :p

True, true. I am working on an adventure I am DM'ing come Tuesday and listening to music, choosing soundtracks for said adventure, so I am amusing myself on the side asking about stuff like Highschool of the Dead. ^^

[justinstrife]

I to would prefer a new Macross Project for the 30th Anniversary. I justed fhinished watching Macross Zero and Macross Plus tonight, thought that Plus was brilliant and that Zero was rather weak and average. While wahcing Macross Zero I thought that the 3DCG of Zero look rather crap now compared to the CG of Macross Frontier.

Inregards to the 30th anniversary project which will hopefully get the go ahead, it's important to get a good music composer and director on board, and leave Kawomari to do the design work for the Valkyrie's. Would love to see an Macross OVA with 2 female pilots as the leads fighting over a fellow female pilot (yuri), for the love triangle. My thoughts regards the love triangle of Macross 30th Anniversary being a Yuri one is that I love the current Batwomen, and is a great comic book and they put the yuri or love between the females is rather interesting. Anybody else agree with me that the Macross 30th Anniversay project should be a Yuri love triangle among pilots?

No, and no. I can not agree to this. Having been a Macross fan for right around 25 years, this is a big :frustrated::frustrated::frustrated: to me.

[BetoJR]

I wouldn't mind a little yuri with my Macross. :D

Oh, and thanks for the concert, Yot-chan. Really loved pretty much all of it.

[Yot-chan]

Oh, and thanks for the concert, Yot-chan. Really loved pretty much all of it.
Don't thank me...I was just the messenger. :D

[Shiroth]

Don't thank me...I was just the messenger. :D
That's exactly why we're thanking you. :p

[Yot-chan]

That's exactly why we're thanking you. :p

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f344/GoStopBlvd/exsedolblush.jpg

[pinoy78]

I just listened to the Crossover Live audio.

Waaaaaaaaay too much good stuff going on.

Tenshi No Enogu....I still get shudders whenever I listen to it.

My favorite Macross song EVER.

[moncikoma]

i think there wont be any OVA...because it is said the 2nd movie will end the story...so thats that...T T

maybe there will be an OVA...but maybe just some spinnoff or flashback...not a sequel

anyway...there is no more budget....2 BIG MOVIES already cost a lot

[magnuskn]

i think there wont be any OVA...because it is said the 2nd movie will end the story...so thats that...T T

maybe there will be an OVA...but maybe just some spinnoff or flashback...not a sequel

anyway...there is no more budget....2 BIG MOVIES already cost a lot

Uh, they also make money. It's not as if they are non-profit. And if the movies do well, I think it's not that unlikely that there will still be supplemental material, including hopefully an OVA or two for the series.

[BetoJR]

We'll be getting something as uncommon as a clips release, so I'd say chances are good that we'll get something more, if the second movie does well (not to mention the DVD/BD sales of the first one).

[Yot-chan]

Uh, they also make money. It's not as if they are non-profit. And if the movies do well, I think it's not that unlikely that there will still be supplemental material, including hopefully an OVA or two for the series.
Well, there IS an OVA coming out in December...but I don't think it will continue the story at all.

[magnuskn]

Well, there IS an OVA coming out in December...but I don't think it will continue the story at all.

:twitch: First time I heard about that? Any pictures or some kind of summary?

[Dash_Hunter]

:twitch: First time I heard about that? Any pictures or some kind of summary?

I think Yot-chan is referring to the “Nyan Cli” a Music Clip Collection DVD, that will be released in December, at least I think that's the only Macross thing announced for December.
More info here: Gabrielarobin.com (http://gabrielarobin.com/3891/macross-frontier-music-clip-collection-nyan-cli)

[BetoJR]

Well, that was what I was talking about, at least... :D

[Yot-chan]

Well, that was what I was talking about, at least... :D

Yeah, that's the one. Sorry for the confusion.

[magnuskn]

Ah, okay. That's not really an OVA to me. :p

[BetoJR]

Of course it is, as it's an Original Video Animation... :p

[magnuskn]

Of course it is, as it's an Original Video Animation... :p

An already seen music clip compilation doesn't seem that original to me. :D

[Yot-chan]

An already seen music clip compilation doesn't seem that original to me. :D
Flashback 2012 is officially an OVA. And if Flashback 2012 is, then Nyan Clit (or whatever) is. :D

[BetoJR]

And whoever said it's "already seen"? From the press release, there will be new animation. Granted, probably not much, but still... :p

Plus, like Yot-chan reminded us, Flashback 2012 is considered an OVA. Also, a favorite of mine. :D

[magnuskn]

Flashback 2012 is officially an OVA. And if Flashback 2012 is, then Nyan Clit (or whatever) is. :D

But Flashback 2012 actually had new materials, with the launch of the SDF-3 and all that. If we get a post-ep 25 resolution, I'll join you in calling the clip collection an OVA. :D

[Shiroth]

Does really matter if it's labeled as an OVA or not? :heh:

[Yot-chan]

But Flashback 2012 actually had new materials, with the launch of the SDF-3 and all that. If we get a post-ep 25 resolution, I'll join you in calling the clip collection an OVA. :D
SDF-2...it was the SDF-2.

That Robotech stuff rots your brains. Really.

[magnuskn]

SDF-2...it was the SDF-2.

That Robotech stuff rots your brains. Really.

Meh, they'll always be Rick Hunter, Lisa Hayes and Maximilian Sterling to me. You can't overwrite a decade of conditioning that easily. Also, Max was my idol for a good number of years. :D

Also, Miriya Parino and Breetai Tul sound much cooler than Milia and Vrlwthwai. :p

[Yot-chan]

Meh, they'll always be Rick Hunter, Lisa Hayes and Maximilian Sterling to me. You can't overwrite a decade of conditioning that easily. Also, Max was my idol for a good number of years. :D

Also, Miriya Parino and Breetai Tul sound much cooler than Milia and Vrlwthwai. :p

TRANSLATION: "Don't cry for me, Yot-chan...I'm already dead." ;)

[magnuskn]

TRANSLATION: "Don't cry for me, Yot-chan...I'm already dead." ;)

Pfffft. I'm not disputing that Macross is aeons better than Robotech, but I've known the Robotech names for about 20 years... it's not really easy to change some of them around mentally.

Not to mention that Rick Hunter sounds much better than Hikaru Ichijo.

[Yot-chan]

Pfffft. I'm not disputing that Macross is aeons better than Robotech, but I've known the Robotech names for about 20 years... it's not really easy to change some of them around mentally.

Not to mention that Rick Hunter sounds much better than Hikaru Ichijo.
I still think "Rick Hunter" sounds like a good name for a gay porn star.

[Tak]

I still think "Rick Hunter" sounds like a good name for a gay porn star.

Uh oh, be careful of what you wish for, it might just come true ;)

- Tak

[Yot-chan]

Uh oh, be careful of what you wish for, it might just come true ;)

- Tak

Or it could end up being a hell of a lot worse...

http://rule63.paheal.net/post/view/650

[magnuskn]

It sounds like a typical 80"s movie hero to me. ;)

[Shiroth]

It sounds like a typical 80"s movie hero to me. ;)
I think that's the angle they were going for with Robotech. :p

[magnuskn]

I think that's the angle they were going for with Robotech. :p

At least they didn't paint on him a Magnum mustache. He already has David Hasselhoff hair. :D

[Tak]

At least they didn't paint on him a Magnum mustache. He already has David Hasselhoff hair. :D

Or... he could have had a mustache like this dude:

http://www.wehrmachtausbildungslager.org/kaiser_wilhelm_II-01.jpg

- Tak

[Yot-chan]

At least they didn't paint on him a Magnum mustache. He already has David Hasselhoff hair. :D
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f344/GoStopBlvd/fileLkYhZa.jpg

[magnuskn]

I guess that'd count more as a 70s reference. :p

And in Tak's case, I mean that as "1870". :D

[Tak]

I guess that'd count more as a 70s reference. :p

And in Tak's case, I mean that as "1870". :D

Hey you know, since 'Rick' was 'promoted' to the rank of admiral in subsequent Robotech spinoffs, imagining him in that mustache just doesn't seem all that implausible any more... :D

- Tak

[moncikoma]

Holy shit! February 2011???!!!! Maaann that feels like 6 month.. Damn tooo longggggg... I thought it is scheduled for november 2010??!!
If it is being released on february... The bluray definitely... 2012... T T while I am 27 already T T

It better be good!!!must have amazing twisted ending, more sheryl amazing songs, and great fan service X3

[justavisitor]

gundam 00's movie is due to release today (or tomorrow) XD I know gundam is not macross...but you could watch the bluray of gundam 00's movie while waiting for the macross second movie :D

[AlphaDragoon]

Man, the spoilers of the 00 movie point to a massive trollin' by Mizushima. Kawamori's gonna have to bring his A game to top it and remain greatest troll. :heh:

[KaoruLia]

Man, the spoilers of the 00 movie point to a massive trollin' by Mizushima. Kawamori's gonna have to bring his A game to top it and remain greatest troll. :heh:

LOL. And I thought 'Hory Froating Head' Kawamori's trolling in episode 25 was bad enough... The Gundam 00 spoilers just made me go: 'lolwhut?'

[justavisitor]

I thought it's pretty good lol, from the spoiler

And gundam now can also fight against
aliens

Will gundam become a threat to macross's survival in the future??

[Shiroth]

^This isn't the place to talk about Gundam you know.

[cheesie]

My heart skipped a beat when I saw numerous posts in the thread, thinking that maybe, just maybe, 'there must be juicy movie info for me to spaz over and squee', but then I find out that it's just Yot-chan and mag flirting (like they strangely seem to do lately) and I threw my banana at the screen.

Nice to see you back, Yot-chan. ;)

[DeX-kun]

My heart skipped a beat when I saw numerous posts in the thread, thinking that maybe, just maybe, 'there must be juicy movie info for me to spaz over and squee', but then I find out that it's just Yot-chan and mag flirting (like they strangely seem to do lately) and I threw my banana at the screen.

Nice to see you back, Yot-chan. ;)

I wish there were more information about the second movie but it does seem that the movie will consist of entirely new content. Although I'm not sure whether that will be a good thing or a bad thing, that remains to be seen.

Welcome back to you too Cheesie ;) :X

[magnuskn]

God, that would be nice. Entirely new content is what I need from Frontier. Although it still ain't the series continuity. ^^

[DeX-kun]

God, that would be nice. Entirely new content is what I need from Frontier. Although it still ain't the series continuity. ^^

Well it's not the series continuity entirely, it still contains some type of similarity to certain events in the TV series. I see the movies more of an alternate retelling if anything, which is why I'm crossing my fingers that the second movie's plot involves events following Frontier's landing on the Vajra planet somehow.

Although I doubt we'll be getting anything close to that :heh:

[moncikoma]

I just hope the 2nd movie has more mecha design and dogfight...
Moar serious on Sheryl Vs Ranka. Same tragedy... Maybe ozma is dead... ,clan2, breira or luca.. I have a feeling it is either clan2 or breira.... Hehe

And most of all ! Full of great song like northern cross, lion, and diamond creves...& moarrr sheryl songs...no more aimo..please...!.

Moar sheryl costume! So I can buy more sheryl PVC

[moncikoma]

Macross Frontier the Movie: The Wings Of Goodbye

from the title...i think the story will revolving around ALTO who lost his wings...
by any means....he lost sheryl and ranka....in many way..could be..

-maybe they dump him badly...because of his Undecisive in love
-ranka and sheryl died in an accident....eaten by VAJRA
-ranka and sheryl fighting each other...and killing each other...using a new type of VF (like macross 7 type...a female robot with boobs)
-ranka and sheryl lost in a wild VAJRA jungle while on DIVA Tournament concert camp (maybe kidnaped by Vajra)
-ranka jelous and killed alto and sheryl...using a SAW just like in school days anime..
-both Diva lose her singing ability because of VAJRA Virus
-both DIVA are bored with alto....and make love with VAJRA...because of some hormone disorder..
-both DIVA have to stay forever in VAJRA ISLAND while singing everyday to control the VAJRA behavior..and alto leaving them behind
-ALTO choose to become a full-fledged KABUKI and become a 100% GAY...so sheryl an ranka...dump him
-ALTO choose the SKY...THE END..

which one is the most interesting? LOL

[justinstrife]

That's just dumb..

[KaoruLia]

I'm looking forward to see how they reinterpret the TV series' scenes in the movie... Less Deux Ex Machinas, and more character development for Alto please! I don't really care who he picks (but if it's Sheryl it's a bonus for me) if they'd only make it *believable* enough.

The issue with the TV series was that Alto's... feelings for both girls weren't addressed in the end (Alto's "I will kill Ranka"; "Is that your love?" speech with Klan; and Alto's cut-off confession(?) to Sheryl before battle). Did the writers completely forgot about those conversations, or deliberately left them hanging for the movies? Only time will tell.

[magnuskn]

Unless I am mistaken, the last episode was written and produced before the other final batch of episodes. At least that's what Ghostlightning claims on his blog. So a lot of the dissonance may have come from that.

[BetoJR]

First time I've read that. Is there a source?

[moncikoma]

i think alto end up choosing both...a harem ending...
because last time he said that u are both my wings rite?

[Shiroth]

First time I've read that. Is there a source?
Yeah i wouldn't mind seeing the source. Would be rather interesting if it was true.

[BetoJR]

Yeah, I can totally get the idea that the general space battle was already laid out from the beginning and all, or the general gist of the episode, but... the whole episode being written and produced before several others? That's kinda difficult - but hey, anything's possible.

[magnuskn]

Ghostlightning said as much on his blog, in the comments to this post (http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/the-should-have-been-crowd-pleasing-finale-macross-frontier-25-your-sound/). Scroll down to my contribution to the comments and read his response, it is there in the second paragraph.

As to where he got that information from, you'd have to ask himself. BTW, I recommend reading all the comments, there's some excellent analysis of the finale and the triangle in there.

[Westlo]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was produced before the others.. a lot more CG work had to be done in that than in every other episode.

[CrowKenobi]

Moved a bunch of off-topic posts to the speculation thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3267681#post3267681). Let's try to discuss the movie instead of episode 25 of the TV show. :D

[pikachuwei]

just watched the whole of macross frontier in one sitting lol

have to say it is a stellar series (sheryl is awesome)
the visuals and CG were decent even though for some reason my MPC cant play the series and my VLC keeps getting blocky >.<

i was most blown away by the soundtrack. The Macross F OST is so insanely good i downloaded it immediately. Sheryl's songs are all godly (rankas... not so much, too much aimo >.>) By far the best soundtrack to an anime ive ever heard.

so about the movies, is the 1st one worth watching? what is the second one going to be about?

[Shiroth]

The Macross F OST is so insanely good i downloaded it immediately.
How about buying them? :p

so about the movies, is the 1st one worth watching? what is the second one going to be about?
First film hasn't been released on DVD/BR yet, so most of us here haven't seen it yet, so can't answer that question.

[moncikoma]

so about the movies, is the 1st one worth watching? what is the second one going to be about?

Oh yes I am sure it is worth it! Pink monsoon,gira2,and obelisk... Also great songs!

Sheryl bunny, sheryl cowboy, sheryl S&m and obelisk uniform..
Awesome fanservice! It has new more scene and scenario.. !

Already preorderd the bluray, from amazon.co.jp the hybrid package incl ps3 game!
Released next week!
Movie 2 still in progress... With a new stories, mecha, and songs! And it could be the final season

[pikachuwei]

How about buying them? :p


First film hasn't been released on DVD/BR yet, so most of us here haven't seen it yet, so can't answer that question.

i would if i knew how to buy stuff online (or if my parents let me buy stuff online in the first place or let me have a credit card >.>)

i might buy the DVDs anyway when i go back to taiwan at christmas (though im saving up for 00 movie first)

[Shiroth]

Trailer is up for the second film on the site.

http://www.macrossf.com/movie2/blletin.html

Not available in my country though. :(

Edit: Trailer is up on nicovideo (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12293310).

Alto wearing THAT earring is <333.

Apart from that i'm speechless. Film looks incredible.

[KaoruLia]

What?? Who?? How?? There's a new trailer out already?

(Dammit, why must I be stuck in a non-wireless place, and on my iphone to boot! Need to watch it!)

[Dash_Hunter]

You can watch the trailer here:

73Uk-0oQXPQ

[raile]

^ Ooooooh...

Hmmm, interesting..

And why the heck is Alto still wearing Sheryl's earring (I'd expect he'd return it after the last movie) but then again, I don't mind. :D

[justinstrife]

They're sure showing that earring a lot. I have a feeling that's just getting us Sheryl Shippers' hopes up before dashing them. :/

[raile]

They're sure showing that earring a lot. I have a feeling that's just getting us Sheryl Shippers' hopes up before dashing them. :/

Oh ye of little faith. :p

We'll never know. And in the same vein, they might be showing those Alto and Ranka scenes in the trailer, so that they can dash their hopes too. :p

[KaoruLia]

Suddenly I find it totally ridiculous that I'm watching the 2nd movie trailer, yet haven't even seen the first movie. Whyy >_>

[DeX-kun]

They're sure showing that earring a lot. I have a feeling that's just getting us Sheryl Shippers' hopes up before dashing them. :/

Oh ye of little faith. :p

We'll never know. And in the same vein, they might be showing those Alto and Ranka scenes in the trailer, so that they can dash their hopes too. :p

You guys are so silly, it's Kawamori we're talking about here. Trolling at his best by "brows" himself :heh:

Suddenly I find it totally ridiculous that I'm watching the 2nd movie trailer, yet haven't even seen the first movie. Whyy >_>

Yeah, I have to say that I feel the same way. It's so weird :heh: Well we'll probably get the second movie much quicker than the first. We'll probably be able to watch the first movie subbed by mid to the end of October. Maybe sooner if we're lucky.

Speaking of subs, can anyone give us a quick translation of what was said during this trailer? ;) It would be a much appreciated :p

[magnuskn]

They're sure showing that earring a lot. I have a feeling that's just getting us Sheryl Shippers' hopes up before dashing them. :/

Oh, c'mon. Don't be so pessimistic.

At least the first movie will be out in a few days and we'll have spoilers for the second one as soon as it launches.

[Shiroth]

Suddenly I find it totally ridiculous that I'm watching the 2nd movie trailer, yet haven't even seen the first movie. Whyy >_>
As if not having seen the first film yet is going to stop the lot of us from checking out the trailer for the second film. :p

[Lolipopo]

They're sure showing that earring a lot. I have a feeling that's just getting us Sheryl Shippers' hopes up before dashing them. :/

In all honesty, aside from that earring stuff I don't see anything for Sheryl shippers.
I have a terrible feeling, this trailer was giving an huge Alto/Ranka feeling for me.

Forgive me while I go in my corner, crying.

[Shiroth]

I have a terrible feeling, this trailer was giving an huge Alto/Ranka feeling for me.
The second film was looking pretty Ranka focused thanks to all those mahou shoujo images :p, so i just look at it as being a follow up to that, and don't think about it that much.

[moncikoma]

yeah..everything looks on ranka...i think it is quite fair...since she already lost to sheryl so many steps behind...but still...in the end the winner is sheryl..yeah! it is a must..hehe


http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9303/whohz.jpg
anyway.. i have been wondering..who this might be?
sheryl or grace?


anyway...i see many timeline from season 1.... what the hell is kawamori thinking...?

i thought it will be a sequel.. a new story..
why are they fighting grace and vajra again???

[moncikoma]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8024/ada600x323shkl.jpg
who is he with? from the hair looks like sheryl... but from the height..looks like ranka..XD

[Lolipopo]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8024/ada600x323shkl.jpg
who is he with? from the hair looks like sheryl... but from the height..looks like ranka..XD

It's on the beach, it's Ranka -_-
Pfff lame cliche. Gimme the same with sheriruuu.

[Shiroth]

^Could just be the Macross Zero scene. I mean we do see Alto and Ranka kiss under water.

[magnuskn]

yeah..everything looks on ranka...i think it is quite fair...since she already lost to sheryl so many steps behind...but still...in the end the winner is sheryl..yeah! it is a must..hehe


http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9303/whohz.jpg
anyway.. i have been wondering..who this might be?
sheryl or grace?

It's effectively the same apparatus young Sheryl was hooked up to in the picture from episode 18, so my guess is that it is her again, only a tad older than in the series. Although if it is Sheryl, she is surprisingly... flat. :heh:

[KaoruLia]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8024/ada600x323shkl.jpg
who is he with? from the hair looks like sheryl... but from the height..looks like ranka..XD

Wowww! Nice scenery! (Is a sucker for pretty sunsets) And I don't even mind the AltoxRanka scenes... After the non-romance and platonic!ness of Gundam 00 movie, I'm looking forward to some real romantic scenes. I'm also interested to see reinterpretations of the triangle XD

edit: Maybe it's Klan?

[sweetgirl121]

oh no, getting so much rankaXalto vibe in this movie, I knew they only made the movies so they can shove ranka ending down our throat.

[magnuskn]

God, stop being such whining ninnies, y'all. :p Let's wait for some more substantive spoilers than a trailer which doesn't even show any meaningful romantic undertones for a possible AltoxRanka pairing.

[LC]

Trailer looked all right. There wasn't enough Sheryl in general. :( As for the pairings, strangely, I'm not worried about the scenes with Alto and Ranka. Last movie, the trailer had wwaaayyy more AltoxSheryl than this had AltoxRanka even though the first movie wasn't devoid of the latter.

[user112168]

i thought it will be a sequel.. a new story..
why are they fighting grace and vajra again???

I haven't seen the first movie, but it covers episodes 1 - 7 with some changes in plot.
Movie 2 *should* cover eps 8 - 25, though I think many minor events will be left out.

All "macross" feature movies since DYRL have only recapped series, not extended.

I wouldn't be surprise if there were 3 Frontier movies though, 18 eps worth seems a lot to get through, and I just saw the tralier, looked more like the middle of the series than anything right at the end.

It might well end with Michel's death? That'd give them some breathing space to do a better ending.

Or have they ruled this out, anyone?

[user112168]

You guys are so silly, it's Kawamori we're talking about here. Trolling at his best by "brows" himself :heh:
I can't believe some people on here are still like, "oh Kawamori is SURE going to give me the ending I wan't - THIS TIME" after how the series ended.:eyespin:

btw If a writer is NOT trolling you, he's not doing his job.

Hmm...that might mean a ship after all....

[karice67]

Speaking of subs, can anyone give us a quick translation of what was said during this trailer? ;) It would be a much appreciated :p
Leaving out the somewhat rhetorical narration...

Alto: To choose something, means to lose something else...

Ranka: Why do you think the Vajra didn't kill me?

Sheryl: Are you telling me to give up singing?!

Grace: A trick of fate, huh?

Leon: The galaxy will be ours.


Ozma: What are (we) fighting for? 　// (Just) like you.
(I'm not sure if this is one long thought or not...)

Ranka: Our songs will become one. Saying that (we're) not alone anymore.

Alto: I won't run away anymore. I'll carry both of your songs, and fly!

@reelyanoob
Unfortunately, there won't be a third movie: this one is called the concluding volume (完結編), and it's apparently heading towards a new ending (新たなる結末).

And they had better NOT kill Michel!

and p.s. You can just edit your post to add more info rather than posting yet another one.

[justavisitor]

I was so upbeat when I heard you guys saying there are so many RankaxAlto moments in the trailer...and then I watched the trailer...damn nothing special imo XD


I think the ending will be similar with the TV series....3 ppl living together happily ever after
But Kawamori, please prove me wrong and give me a RankaxAlto ending :heh:

[justinstrife]

I was so upbeat when I heard you guys saying there are so many RankaxAlto moments in the trailer...and then I watched the trailer...damn nothing special imo XD


I think the ending will be similar with the TV series....3 ppl living together happily ever after
But Kawamori, please prove me wrong and give me a RankaxAlto ending :heh:

Ranka doesn't deserve that kind of ending. :frustrated:

[justavisitor]

hmm, you haven't even seen the movie 1....I thought movie and TV are different things...How do you know the Ranka in the movie doesn't deserve it?? :heh:

(I am not even going to mention the TV Ranka lol..too tired XD)

[moncikoma]

I haven't seen the first movie, but it covers episodes 1 - 7 with some changes in plot.
Movie 2 *should* cover eps 8 - 25, though I think many minor events will be left out.

All "macross" feature movies since DYRL have only recapped series, not extended.

I wouldn't be surprise if there were 3 Frontier movies though, 18 eps worth seems a lot to get through, and I just saw the tralier, looked more like the middle of the series than anything right at the end.

It might well end with Michel's death? That'd give them some breathing space to do a better ending.

Or have they ruled this out, anyone?

damn...i thought..in movie 1 everything is OVER...grace is dead! so she's still alive afterall? and the BIG BOS is her again in 2nd movie?

BORING! so boring...:frustrated:

i just hope this statement is true :heh:
"Macross Frontier The Movie: The Wings of Goodbye

The official website of the Macross Frontier anime series has confirmed that there will be two theatrical Macross Frontier films. While the first film will re-edit the story of the television series with new footage, the second film, which will be based also on the Macross Frontier TV series, will act as a sequel to the 2009 film, including a new story and new music.[19] In the Macross Frontier Girasama Festival, the movie's release date is confirmed to be on February 26, 2011."

i hope it will be tottaly different...in story, and ending..!

[Dash_Hunter]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/cantu/Macross/cy.jpg
This image is the same they used in Ep7 to explain cybernetics and implants, copare them:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/cantu/Macross/cy2.jpg
So i think that person is no one in particular (or maybe Grace)

Kawamori said that this will be anew story so I expect some changes but not a whole different story, based on the trailer I think some story elements from the series will be in the movie like Sheryl being sick, the battle for the Vajra planet and of course Ranka becoming popular.

About the scenes on the beach, i think that will be a complete different situation and they won't do the "Macross Zero movie" again because it will be a waste of time (unless they only show some parts quickly).

And yeah too much Ranka/Alto scenes but it was to be expected since the movie will focus more on her, Sheryl got the lake scene with Alto last time so now Ranka will have a Beach scene with him.

Oh and count me in the pessimist Sheryl fans too, not because it's a Ranka centered movie but because now that in this story Ranka is Alto's friend/childhood friend, and I have the impression they will go with the cliche about chilhood friends :mad:

[justavisitor]

If the hero goes to the new girl, then we call it the "cliche" about the new girl

If the hero falls for the childhood friend, then we call it the "cliche" about the childhood friends

Relex ppl, if we can see through the ending from the trailer, then the movie itself isn't necessary anymore, isn't it??

I am a Ranka fan and I don't see anything too special in the trailer lol, so don't worry too much

[moncikoma]

About the kimono scene... Hopefully... It will be upgraded + uncensored X3 ......
As long that scene exsist... Sheryl fan can be @ ease

Still... I have a bad feeling..that scene will be skipped.... Because kawamori want to make it more different... So maybe alto will be with ranka more often and they would spend the night @ that beach... That beach somehow is the like the main event... continuation, conffesion or maybe rejection? Climax??

... Dammit... Februari is damn too long...eitherway... I am sure the ending will bring out my manly tears

[BetoJR]

Oh jeez... You guys overreact way too much. :heh:

[moncikoma]

Can't wait to watch the 2nd trailer... Or
The full trailer..

I hope there will be a full trailer which included in the hybrid BD package itsuwari uta hime.
So we can excpect the full trailer to come out around a week..

[magnuskn]

I can't believe some people on here are still like, "oh Kawamori is SURE going to give me the ending I wan't - THIS TIME" after how the series ended.:eyespin:

btw If a writer is NOT trolling you, he's not doing his job.

Yes, a show about a triangle romance... how dare they bring resolution to it! That's so cliché, romance shows should always end with an open ending, so that merchandise revenues can be maximised. Who cares about storytelling integrity but old-fashioned people? :rolleyes:

This image is the same they used in Ep7 to explain cybernetics and implants, copare them:
So i think that person is no one in particular (or maybe Grace)

Yeah, that looks even more similar to another than the one with a young Sheryl getting treated for ( or getting infected with ) the V-Type infection. But why then blur out the face? ^^

Oh and count me in the pessimist Sheryl fans too, not because it's a Ranka centered movie but because now that in this story Ranka is Alto's friend/childhood friend, and I have the impression they will go with the cliche about chilhood friends :mad:

Oh, come on. Macross series are not really known for following clichés.

[Elazul]

I was so upbeat when I heard you guys saying there are so many RankaxAlto moments in the trailer...and then I watched the trailer...damn nothing special imo XD


I think the ending will be similar with the TV series....3 ppl living together happily ever after
But Kawamori, please prove me wrong and give me a RankaxAlto ending :heh:

You know... I really disliked Ranka's character in TV series... But I think that a Ranka x Alto ending in the 2nd movie , as long it makes sense, will be more bearable than the one presented to us in episode 25: A Harem, cheesy, and heavily focused on fanservice ending.

It may be a bit off-topic but I have to spill it out. I've been watching anime for many years, and one of the things that I realized about the changes in anime industry is that how much the romance aspect is becoming more and more developed and realistic. Generalizing might be a wrong thing to do but what I am noticing nowadays is that the writers/directors are trying to give us proper resolutions instead of an open-ending or "safe" ones, even on series that doesn’t have romance as the main focus. Harem endings are getting less and less common, and probably the Harem genre is trying to reformulate itself.
Recently, Ken Amatsu, the creator of Love Hina, a very popular series, gave an interview and then he said that the Harem genre is ending or something along those lines. Well, I think that it’s not the case, maybe they are just trying to take a different approach. Maybe people are getting tired of unrealistic characters and/or relationships in fictional works, and want to find more situations that they can relate to, and the creators were probably smart enough to notice this; and then tried to come with new ideas. I found myself very pleased when I was watching some one of those recent harems shows that have a huge amount of fanservice. Surprisingly enough, the creators focused on a particular girl, that was not the main heroine but was clearly the best choice, gave her a decent amount of development, and her relationship with the main guy became the more developed one, by far surpassing the other girl’s.

Macross is a series that I've always admired because of its originality. It is a story that tells us about romance, war and music at the same time, all mixed together, and it stills sounds serious, convincing, very dramatic and surprisingly deep. (Let’s put Macross 7 aside for now…)
When I watched the last episode of Macross Frontier, two years ago, I got extremely pissed, and it’s not just because of the unsolved love triangle, it was the whole presentation of the episode that really hurt me. It sounded like a huge musical video… it was rushed, colorful, and they gave us a horrible remix of most songs like they are trying to tell us: "Hey, listen how good these songs are!!!". So, everything was covered in a happy and "love-and-peace" aura that destroyed all the previous drama build-up in the past 24 episodes to me.

On SDF Macross, Minmay was singing horrible pop music like "My boyfriend is a pilot" in the middle of a war for humanity survival. But the mood was totally different than the last Macross F battle. It felt like everyone was in a bloody battle, fighting for the lives; people are dying, suffering, getting desperate as their loved ones are dying in front of them… So, while doing this, they at least gave us a decent portrayal of a war. It was still sad, painful, even with all of those pop songs in the background. Then here comes the point, in SDF Macross, those songs were used as a tool to end the war, they are not the main focus, but part of the war itself. While in the end of Macross Frontier, they’ve become the first priority, and so on the war became like a big scenario to present an overload of songs. It’s seemed that they put the fanservice in first place. Furthermore, they wanted to please everyone, and gave us an unsolved conclusion of the romance part. Thus, the balance between war, romance, and music was broken.

The last episode of MF, through my eyes, got the same weird vibes that I’ve found in some of Kawamori's works like Macross 7, Sousei no Aquarion and most recently Basquash! It’s like they try too hard to present us everything as colorful and cheesy as possible, with a shounen-like touch. It’s a bit difficult to explain, but series like these sometimes are a bit too "commercial" and unrealistic to me. Because they often only focus in some elements that can easily please the audience; like brainless action, gorgeous presentation, fanservice, and "effective but plain" dialogues, and almost always forget to give us some serious character development and storytelling.

I am not saying that this is a "wrong" thing to do, and while MF episode 25 definitely had some of those elements, the whole series is still far from being a totally commercial show.
I'm not against fanservice or a more commercial approach in Macross series. It was product after all; and created to be profitable in the first place. I just hope that the movies does not forgot of what makes Macross so special to fans like myself, and give us a more "balanced" ending.

[justavisitor]

@Elazul
That's a pretty good post....and I think I have a few things I want to say

First of all, pop songs aren't always bad (I am pretty sure you didn't imply that, but let me just continue)...in the movie DYRL, the title song was originally a pop song from the alien culture, so it's no surprise that Macross Frontier just picks up this tradition and uses pop songs at the end. Of course, did the MF staff use those pop songs in the right way in the last episode? That's open to discuss I guess. Personally I think it's ok...and yeah, last battle was kind of like a happy party but I felt fine with it...it was like the show had many frustration (michael's death, Grace and Leon's evil plan, it's either human or vajra, etc...) and at the end everyone comes out, takes the burden off, beats the evil guys, and everyone is happy at the end...I am ok with that, because in MF it was about Grace and Leon took advantages of Vajra and Human, and I really enjoyed the ending when Human and Vajra cleared the misunderstanding, united and finished Grace once and for all...but if you put that kind of ending into other shows, like gundam 00, then perhaps I would feel otherwise...but I think MF is ok to have that kind of the ending...having said that, I fully aware that others may think the ending of MF is unrealistic and they probably have their points...

Talking about realistic, don't you think it would be realistic that Macross should allow polygamy?? Based on the setting, different cultures (living with the aliens) in the same ship, and the need to survive, grow, and prosper when they explore the new planets..etc. Sure, the original macross was still 1 guy and 1 woman but that was the time before the space exploration/colonization...

So, normally I like to watch one guy end up with one girl, but for macross, I have no problem accepting RankaxAltoxSheryl (of course, I am a ranka fan so rankaxAlto would be much better for me :D)...because I think it could be "realistic" and possible in macross universe...of course, that's just me

[justinstrife]

Elazul: You should watch older anime. Most of them were NOT open endings. The open ending type shows started becoming popular I'd say, in the mid to late 90's. Probably about the time you started watching anime. When I started watching anime in the mid to late 80's, open endings on romance aspects of the stories were few and far between. :)

[Elazul]

@justavisitor

Polygamy does happen in our society but it’s too a very delicate matter that defies various morals values and thus not acceptable in most cultures.
When I wrote about realism, it was meant to be about characters behaviors and situations that most people can relate to. Anime is a fictional work that aims to reach a certain audience. I bet that most people who watch anime don’t want to see a story (which takes itself seriously) involving polygamy. It will be pointless, unnecessary polemic and even offensive to many.
Also, polygamy now is less common than it used to be in the past centuries. You’re simply assuming that in the MF’s fictional future polygamy will become more acceptable, when the humanity took the opposite direction. Though Macross is set in on a futuristic universe, it is painfully obvious that the creators used our today’s society as a basis, including our moral values, social institutions, etc. So, there is nothing in the whole Macross series that give us signs that polygamy is an acceptable.
Furthermore, a polygamous ending in MF is totally out of question. If we think about Sheryl, Ranka and Alto and all of their character development, we can easily realize that none of them will accept such a thing in the first place; it would be totally out of character. Second, the whole romance aspect is focused on a love triangle. It was not, by any means, about polygamy.

@ justinstrife

I am already doing this. I watched Kimagure Orange Road and Maison Ikokku in the past year... Both of them are very good with really great endings in my humble opinion.

[cutesherry]

Looks like we got to see more of Ranka, which I find a bit disappointing in the sens their concept of making one Movie for Sheryl and one movie for Ranka is a bit too (aka each girl gets her moment of glory)...'expected', 'simplistic', 'cliche'? Sheryl's and Ranka's fans got each what they want though ;)

So it looks like the retelling still goes on, and I have a mixed feeling about it: should we be worried? @__@ While we obviously got many shots of the earrings, I'm not too sure where this is going on, and Ranka definitely got extra points with the beach scene, they really made it look good >//<

I'm also wondering about all the SherylxAlto scene of the end of the series (when he decides to stay by her side, they live together, when she goes to his house etc...): will they crop them all or most? Because if it's Ranka centered, they can't really include so much Sheryl related material ^^;

I guess my point is: they either didn't want to spoil us and showed a bit of both girls on purpose, or...there will be no resolution to the LT and I don't think I could bear with that, after desperately waiting for 2 years for a conclusion to it ;__;

[choji]

I am already doing this. I watched Kimagure Orange Road and Maison Ikokku in the past year... Both of them are very good with really great endings in my humble opinion.

KOR is really epic shit; series are great and the two movies that give the resolution are brilliant. Man, good days.

Anyway, just watched the trailer-teaser, and i am so disappointed so far; needs WAY moar Sheryl. Half the trailer i was contemplating being between OTL and ORZ seeing so much Ranka, ehhhh. But anyway, it is just a teaser, so..

Also, in regards to the epic scene in MF#22, there better not be replaced by some shitty angst scene, where Sheryl is on her own crying and Alto is running away or something with manly tears. DNW, we want sex scene people.

[justavisitor]

@justavisitor

Polygamy does happen in our society but it’s too a very delicate matter that defies various morals values and thus not acceptable in most cultures.
When I wrote about realism, it was meant to be about characters behaviors and situations that most people can relate to. Anime is a fictional work that aims to reach a certain audience. I bet that most people who watch anime don’t want to see a story (which takes itself seriously) involving polygamy. It will be pointless, unnecessary polemic and even offensive to many.
Also, polygamy now is less common than it used to be in the past centuries. You’re simply assuming that in the MF’s fictional future polygamy will become more acceptable, when the humanity took the opposite direction. Though Macross is set in on a futuristic universe, it is painfully obvious that the creators used our today’s society as a basis, including our moral values, social institutions, etc. So, there is nothing in the whole Macross series that give us signs that polygamy is an acceptable.
Furthermore, a polygamous ending in MF is totally out of question. If we think about Sheryl, Ranka and Alto and all of their character development, we can easily realize that none of them will accept such a thing in the first place; it would be totally out of character. Second, the whole romance aspect is focused on a love triangle. It was not, by any means, about polygamy.


Agree many many thing you say here...and got to be honest that I prefer RankaxAlto ending 1.0x10^20 times more than the RankaxAltoxSheryl ending...
:heh:

I guess it comes down to how the audiences enjoy their animes then..I am the type who likes to put the setting into a more serious consideration...yes, you have your point (the staff using present values in MF, character development etc), but it's just that when I look at the setting of MF, they may have a chance of doing it (polygamy), due to the assumptions I made in my previous post....and when there is a slight possibility that polygamy is okay in this show, then I am ok to accept a harem ending

But if you ask me, do I like a harem ending in other series like A Town where you live, I''s, video girl, Suzuka, Ichigo 100%, etc...my answer would be no because those setting definitely do not allow polygamy XD

[choji]

Agree many many thing you say here...and got to be honest that I prefer RankaxAlto ending 1.0x10^20 times more than the RankaxAltoxSheryl ending...
:heh:

I guess it comes down to how the audiences enjoy their animes then..I am the type who likes to put the setting into a more serious consideration...yes, you have your point (the staff using present values in MF, character development etc), but it's just that when I look at the setting of MF, they may have a chance of doing it (polygamy), due to the assumptions I made in my previous post....and when there is a slight possibility that polygamy is okay in this show, then I am ok to accept a harem ending

...ok. So serious = polygamy?
Lolol, nice.

I consider polygamy really lulzy in fiction and it would never, EVER fit with Macross or any kind of show that is not actually harem or idk what.

And there better be resolution in the second movie concerning the damn triangle /if that is even considered triangle, cause i never did consider it; i mean, it is not like SDF M, where Hikaru was standing between two sides but ended up leaning ultimately to Misa. In MF, Alto is clearly having a lot of chemistry with Sheryl, yet we get this shoved-ass trolling ending, which basically says 'oh, yeah Alto's actions might show this and that, but we gonna end it like this because we can. and we shall troll hur dur/ because it gets to the point where it is annoying; inevitably one side is gonna end up 'hurt' but that is how shipping works dahlings.

[justavisitor]

lol, I am pretty sure I didn't mean "serious=polygamy", I just meant I like to explore the setting more...

Hope I clarify that part XD

And I think Alto has a lot of chemistry with Ranka also...but of course, I fully understand this where is where our difference lays, so I will just stop here

and I don't think we got a troll ending

[Yot-chan]

And there better be resolution in the second movie concerning the damn triangle /if that is even considered triangle, cause i never did consider it; i mean, it is not like SDF M, where Hikaru was standing between two sides but ended up leaning ultimately to Misa. In MF, Alto is clearly having a lot of chemistry with Sheryl, yet we get this shoved-ass trolling ending, which basically says 'oh, yeah Alto's actions might show this and that, but we gonna end it like this because we can. and we shall troll hur dur/ because it gets to the point where it is annoying; inevitably one side is gonna end up 'hurt' but that is how shipping works dahlings.
Sounds to me like one side already IS 'hurt.' :D

[magnuskn]

Sounds to me like one side already IS 'hurt.' :D

Well, we got all on our side but the actual ending. And that only by non-resolution. It kinda sucks when an excellent show like Frontier ends so weakly. That generates resentments.

[Yot-chan]

Well, we got all on our side but the actual ending. And that only by non-resolution. It kinda sucks when an excellent show like Frontier ends so weakly. That generates resentments.
Really? I didn't think the ending was weak at all. :)

[magnuskn]

Your prerogative if you want to overlook the structural weaknesses for flashy space combat. Not that the space combat was bad.

[Mei19]

1. Alto: To choose something, means to lose something else...

2. Ranka: Why do you think the Vajra didn't kill me?

3. Sheryl: Are you telling me to give up singing?!

4. Grace: A trick of fate, huh?

5. Leon: The galaxy will be ours.


6. Ozma: What are (we) fighting for? 　// (Just) like you.
(I'm not sure if this is one long thought or not...)

7. Ranka: Our songs will become one. Saying that (we're) not alone anymore.

8. Alto: I won't run away anymore. I'll carry both of your songs, and fly! [/SPOILER]


1. In reference to ep. 23 scene where Alto swore to kill Ranka and stay in Frontier.
2. Around ep. 21 when Ranka is starting to notice that she's connected to Vajra, and later on left
3. Either ep. 18 or 23, part where Sheryl is going to ask Alto to give her strength to sing.
4. When Grace found out Ranka is connected to Ranshe (or maybe sheryl has something to do with it). A scene where the villain puts two and two together.
5. Leon's battle cry on his crusade against the Vajra
6. Ep. 23, when Ozma told Alto he's not a man!
7. Ep. 25, Ranka garnering the strength to sing and make peace. (or maybe it's the part where she slapped Sheryl! lolz)
8. Ep. 25, Alto's monologue about letting his feelings lead the way. This time, it's "futari"--the two of them. That's trolliangular for you.

2nd movie hasn't even started and they're showing the ending already. Puhhfect Triangle.:uhoh: I wonder if this is really a new storyyy.

[Yot-chan]

Your prerogative if you want to overlook the structural weaknesses for flashy space combat. Not that the space combat was bad.
So wait...it's a FACT that the ending was weak, or it's OPINION that the ending was weak?

[magnuskn]

2nd movie hasn't even started and they're showing the ending already. Puhhfect Triangle.:uhoh::

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that was a fake-out. :p

So wait...it's a FACT that the ending was weak, or it's OPINION that the ending was weak?

Well, it's the opinion of a lot of people, a good number of reviewers included. Not that I ever claimed it to be a "fact". But I can cite the structural weaknesses, which, IMO, make it a rather weak finale. And, no, they are not limited to "triangle not resolved".

[Yot-chan]

Well, it's the opinion of a lot of people, a good number of reviewers included. Not that I ever claimed it to be a "fact". But I can cite the structural weaknesses, which, IMO, make it a rather weak finale. And, no, they are not limited to "triangle not resolved".
Well, if "a good number of people" believe it, it must be true, right?

Which is why Mariah Carey is the greatest singer ever, and McDonald's is the best restaurant in the world. :p

[magnuskn]

Well, if "a good number of people" believe it, it must be true, right?

Which is why Mariah Carey is the greatest singer ever, and McDonald's is the best restaurant in the world. :p

Oh, okay. I guess I didn't write the "IMO" in my last post. Still, the Frontier finale was weaksauce. Like every finale of a romance which leaves things unresolved. IMO, YMMV, whatever.

Not to mention that you began demanding "facts", when I stated my opinion that the finale was weak. Which was a clear derailment of the issue, but, again, whatever. Cheap rhetorical tricks are always nice to score some points, innit?

[choji]

Sounds to me like one side already IS 'hurt.' :D

Oh um, please spare me the lame emoticons, if you try to provoke something;
And ehhh, no i am not hurt or anything. I was actually 'lolol wtf was that' when Macross F ended because i knew it was gonna be kinda like this; a chicken wuss end, so that a certain side won't rage. (we know which side that is, please. Let me not state events that show that Alto/Sheryl had pretty much covered all the romantic aspects of how a romantic ship would be.) Still, i cannot help but try and believe that this lameassery will get resolved in the second movie.

I would not 'complain' if the series have not established such foundations to A/S and just decided to troll it ultimately because the sky is blue.

p.s just saying, referring to an end of a series about being weak or not, cannot be really labeled as a fact, as it is more revolving around the sphere of opinion - however if said ending is being negatively dismissed by 3/4 of the fandom, then i suppose that is ought to count for something.

[magnuskn]

Oh um, please spare me the lame emoticons, if you try to provoke something;
And ehhh, no i am not hurt or anything. I was actually 'lolol wtf was that' when Macross F ended because i knew it was gonna be kinda like this; a chicken wuss end, so that a certain side won't rage. (we know which side that is, please. Let me not state events that show that Alto/Sheryl had pretty much covered all the romantic aspects of how a romantic ship would be.) Still, i cannot help but try and believe that this lameassery will get resolved in the second movie.

I would not 'complain' if the series have not established such foundations to A/S and just decided to troll it ultimately because the sky is blue.

p.s just saying, referring to an end of a series about being weak or not, cannot be really labeled as a fact, as it is more revolving around the sphere of opinion - however if said ending is being negatively dismissed by 3/4 of the fandom, then i suppose that is ought to count for something.

Not according to Yot-Chan. Apparently those people who don't like the ending are the McDonalds and Mariah Carey consumers of Macross. :rolleyes:

[choji]

Not according to Yot-Chan. Apparently those people who don't like the ending are the McDonalds and Mariah Carey consumers of Macross. :rolleyes:

Hehe, figured.
Well, i am not gonna say more about the ending of Macross F-series cause it will get OT, so let us say that the second movie will have the guts the original Macross had. /and mind you, that original M's triangle was actually REALLY a triangle. Not just two sides and a dot trying to jump on one side.

[Yot-chan]

Not according to Yot-Chan. Apparently those people who don't like the ending are the McDonalds and Mariah Carey consumers of Macross. :rolleyes:

Pfft. At least I haven't claimed that Ranka and Alto had sex in Episode 12, as you were insisting at the time.

Oh um, please spare me the lame emoticons, if you try to provoke something;
And ehhh, no i am not hurt or anything. I was actually 'lolol wtf was that' when Macross F ended because i knew it was gonna be kinda like this; a chicken wuss end, so that a certain side won't rage. (we know which side that is, please.
And the funny thing is, the "other side" is the one that ended up raging and whining.

Ironic, eh?

[choji]

Pfft. At least I haven't claimed that Ranka and Alto had sex in Episode 12, as you were insisting at the time.

Why would someone insist on that? I could not believe a rational person would ever insist on that, unless it was a legitimate troll. Srs.

eta: learn not to double-post and i might actually reply to you.

[Yot-chan]

Why would someone insist on that? I could not believe a rational person would ever insist on that, unless it was a legitimate troll. Srs.

I dunno. Ask Magnus.

And you are replying to me.

[choji]

.

And you are replying to me.

No dahling, i was replying to your 'ironic how one side is the one that is whining boo hoo'.
Ahem, there is not whining or wailing, that is a gift a chara of that series has actually.
A/S side is surely raging and jazz, because they got majorly trolled; Ship scored pretty much 10 goals in the last epis and they should be the 'winner'; but they got rickrolled, so it is rational that they would react like this.
A/R side, never really had much anything to begin with /especially compared to A/S/ and with the trolling ending that took place, they act all content and being all 'hopeful-neee.'

[Yot-chan]

No dahling, i was replying to your 'ironic how one side is the one that is whining boo hoo'.
Ahem, there is not whining or wailing, that is a gift a chara of that series has actually.
A/S side is surely raging and jazz, because they got majorly trolled; Ship scored pretty much 10 goals in the last epis and they should be the 'winner'; but they got rickrolled, so it is rational that they would react like this.
A/R side, never really had much anything to begin with /especially compared to A/S/ and with the trolling ending that took place, they act all content and being all 'hopeful-neee.'
I'll admit that raging A/R shippers (like Magnuskn) are taking a pretty irrational stance, but getting so wrapped up in the love lives of cartoon teenagers is a pretty irrational occupation, don't you think?

[choji]

I'll admit that raging A/R shippers (like Magnuskn) are taking a pretty irrational stance, but getting so wrapped up in the love lives of cartoon teenagers is a pretty irrational occupation, don't you think?

Um, i suppose you mean A/S, not A/R?
And yet, here we are all discussing about Macross - if we cannot discuss it on a forum and a sub-one, where it is dedicated on Macross, where are we gonna talk about it? It is not like we are jizzing our pants over our preferred pairings in our every day personal arena, but we will talk about our fandoms and ships and whatever stuff in an appropriate place, mostly an animanga forum. I do not think it is an irrational occupation;; That is like calling irrational hundreds/million fans. Eh.

[magnuskn]

Pfft. At least I haven't claimed that Ranka and Alto had sex in Episode 12, as you were insisting at the time.

Uh. Whut? I am guessing that is an attempt at humor, or maybe because I had a few times trouble remembering an exact quote of yours. ^^

Ah, oh, wait. That was about that PM where you threatened to call me an A/R shipper all over the place, if I ever misquoted you again. Well, since I didn't, are you just nerdraging?

[choji]

Uh. Whut? I am guessing that is an attempt at humor, or maybe because I had a few times trouble remembering an exact quote of yours. ^^

Ah, oh, wait. That was about that PM where you threatened to call me an A/R shipper all over the place, if I ever misquoted you again. Well, since I didn't, are you just nerdraging?

Well i just hope, it is not some kind of reverse-joking about 'it was not REALLY stated that Alto/Sheryl had sex in 22, it was just IMPLIED so we are not sure, hur dur' because just saying, apart that it was totally obvious in the series, it was also confirmed in the novels.
Just so you know, making things clear, hehe. And srsly, this scene better make it gloriously in the second movie, kind of a milestone moment for a Macross-pilot and also relevant to the plot. True, true like that beer commercial used to quote.

[moncikoma]

just finished checking all old episode...

movie 1st is from ep 1 - 7 with recap, new scene, music, and special effect with a few different scenario..mostly songs and PV sheryl..not much relation between char...just a lot of sheryl fan service!

movie 2 will recap a few mixed episode until it can continue as a sequel from the TV :

it should start from...
ep 10 (macross zero scene, alto x ranka, sheryl get jelous and kissed alto..) - 15 minutes

ep 18 x 15 (sheryl lost to ranka in singing, sheryl got worsed....clan told alto about sheryl condition..kimono scene..) - 17 minutes

ep 20 x 22 x 23 x 13 x 25 (ranka concert is being attacked by vajra, ranka being kidnapped by VAJRA this is happend in ep 13...but they mixed it to make it short, alto said he will kill ranka...brera VS alto..alto won...ranka and sheryl singing...fighting VAJRA...alto said the polygamy line..)
25 minutes

all the scene above should take about....57 minutes...

so there is only another 30 minutes...for more story... for NEW SCENE, new SONG...???
i hope they wont rush it...the last movie must be perfect!

[justavisitor]

I thought TV and novels are different things and I don't think the novel is canon

I hope the movie 2 will cancel that ambiguous scene in episode 22 once and for all :heh:

@moncikoma
I thought movie 2 will have relatively new plot??
And I heard somewhere that they will use all the new footage...but the Ranka kiss scene in the trailer suggests otherwise

Those movie rumors are too confusing...

[choji]

I thought TV and novels are different things and I don't think the novel is canon

I hope the movie 2 will cancel that ambiguous scene in episode 22 once and for all :heh:

lolwhat in your first sentence. I suppose the in-decent voice recording with moans and stuff that never made it to the original cutting, is totally discarded too, riiiite. <--which btw, reminds me of that Yoshino interview; man, it'd be icing on the cake to actually have the indecent recording in the second movie. Man, the wank out of that.

As for the second, um lolwhat again? So, even if they do not show A/S having sex, that will automatically erase whatever happened back in #22? You kidding right, lol.

p.s don't hold your breath about it. ":heh::heh::heh::heh::heh:"

[justavisitor]

What I try to say is, I only treat the TV series as the canon and I don't care a thing about the novel :heh:

The cancellation of certain scenes in the movie of course doesn't mean a thing to the TV series, but imo, that ambiguous scene doesn't make too much sense so I would be happy if the movie removes that scene

P.S you don't need to hold your breath, thinking the staff would clarify the so-called "sex-scene" either...you won't get your wish :D

[choji]

lol, you caught me

Thinking and typing at the same time...

What I try to say is, I only treat the TV series as the canon and I don't care a thing about the novel :heh:

The cancellation of certain scenes in the movie of course doesn't mean a thing to the TV series, but imo, that ambiguous scene doesn't make too much sense so I would be happy if the movie removes that scene

P.S you don't need to hold your breath, thinking the staff would clarify the so-called "sex-scene" either...it won't happen :D

Um alright, make that clear then; YOUR canon is different from the ACTUAL CANON. Just sayin'.

And lol, there is no "so-called" sex-scene, they did the deed. Deal with it. So obvious it is screaming solely in the TV series too.

Anyway, i am not gonna prolong this, it might get off topic.

[justavisitor]

if you think you represent the actual canon...well i think everyone has their own opinion, so good luck bro XD


I don't wanna get off topic either so I have to stop here :heh:

[KaoruLia]

... And I recently thought that Alto/Ranka and Alto/Sheryl fans have finally learned to get along in ASuki :/

[BetoJR]

Yeah, that doesn't seem all that likely, now does it?

[magnuskn]

<gets out cattle prod> Is there a fight? :naughty:

[Mei19]

lmfao I always get good laughs whenever I come into this forum.

Back to Ranka's new song from the second movie--Hougako Overflow. We got translation courtesy of mai from Gabrielarobin.

http://gabrielarobin.com/3940/new-ranka-song-for-the-macross-f-movie-sayonara-no-tsubasa

[justavisitor]

talking about Ranka's new songs

How many new songs did Ranka have in the first movie?

And How many new songs Ranka will have in the second movie??

[Dash_Hunter]

What I try to say is, I only treat the TV series as the canon and I don't care a thing about the novel :heh:
Well the thing is that in Macross sometimes we get canon information that never appeared in the series/ovas/movies.

For example we never saw Hikaru and Misa getting Married and having their daughter Miku, we got the information from printed material and it's canon, so having a position where you consider canon only what you see in anime is not really appropiate in this situation.

I don't know if the light-novels are taken as canon but i remember that karice67 posted something like that you can take the novels as another version of the same story, i'm not sure.

... And I recently thought that Alto/Ranka and Alto/Sheryl fans have finally learned to get along in ASuki :/
Yeah that was a truce they had when there were no new material or information :heh:, but now it appears that war will start again. :p

[justinstrife]

It was a temporary cease-fire. :p

[justavisitor]

yeah, as soon as the new trailer for the 2nd movie came out, we started arguing again for real no good reason...

But if you think this is bad, wait until the first movie is being released in DVD (which is like a week away??) :heh:

[BetoJR]

For example we never saw Hikaru and Misa getting Married and having their daughter Miku, we got the information from printed material and it's canon,
I, for one, am reading this bit for the first time. Where was it printed?

[moncikoma]

@moncikoma
I thought movie 2 will have relatively new plot??
And I heard somewhere that they will use all the new footage...but the Ranka kiss scene in the trailer suggests otherwise

Those movie rumors are too confusing...

From the trailer... It is still unclear ...

There will be new plot... footage and songs, but. The whole story still based on
The TV series so it seems like a recap...

If it is gonna be different.....

Guess it's gonna be like : rebuiled of evangelion 2.0 Compared to the tv series...

Ver 2.0 is tottaly different than in tv series.... Many new foottage...different story..
Just like a parrarel world...

Same goes to sayonara no tsubasa!
It could be ranka x sheryl ending X3
And it could lead to a harem ending...

Cuz from the trailer... Alto still stick to his perverted Harem plan.....
Insted "u are both my wings..." He said I will fly with both songs"
So the ending would be another polygamy afterall LOL...

Just like asobi no iki yo ending hehehehe...

shame ending... But it is very intresting...! I will support 100%!!!
Many older fan will hate it... But still it would make the series more populer in "some" ways LOL

[Shiroth]

I, for one, am reading this bit for the first time. Where was it printed?
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2760604&postcount=187

:3

[BetoJR]

Oh, right... artbook material that may or may not be cannon... probably why I don't remember it. Pretty nice pictures, tho. :p

[Dash_Hunter]

Oh, right... artbook material that may or may not be cannon... probably why I don't remember it. Pretty nice pictures, tho. :p
I don't know if something changed in the Macross Chronicle but i thought that all the content of the Macross Compendium was considered canon and that is where I found about Miku.

Anyway my point was that there are canon facts that we never saw animated, if we take Macross Cronicle as canon then Kim became captain of the Macross 13 (and that was mentioned in the Macross F light-novels too i think), but lets stop with the off-topic here. :heh:

Aside from wanting to know the plot of the movie, I just hope that we don't have to wait almost a year to watch the second movie, i couldn't resist reading spoilers last time and i think the same will happen again.:p

[justavisitor]

, i couldn't resist reading spoilers last time and i think the same will happen again.:p


Same here, sigh :heh:...I really don't like to be spoiled (especially we might get a resolution in this movie) but I know I will definitely get spoiled since I can't resist the spoiler, then wait half a year to watch the movie :)

[Yot-chan]

Oh, right... artbook material that may or may not be cannon... probably why I don't remember it. Pretty nice pictures, tho. :p
Miku gets mentioned in at least one other Macross Guide Book, so I'm pretty sure her existence is canonical...as much as anything is in Macross, of course.:eyespin:

[DeX-kun]

Leaving out the somewhat rhetorical narration...

Alto: To choose something, means to lose something else...

Ranka: Why do you think the Vajra didn't kill me?

Sheryl: Are you telling me to give up singing?!

Grace: A trick of fate, huh?

Leon: The galaxy will be ours.


Ozma: What are (we) fighting for? 　// (Just) like you.
(I'm not sure if this is one long thought or not...)

Ranka: Our songs will become one. Saying that (we're) not alone anymore.

Alto: I won't run away anymore. I'll carry both of your songs, and fly!

A little late but I forgot to thank you for the translations since I was the one that requested them :heh: Thank you :p I'd give you more cookies but I can't until I give out some more :D


I don't know if the light-novels are taken as canon but i remember that karice67 posted something like that you can take the novels as another version of the same story, i'm not sure.

I believe Karice translated the authors comments and while Kawamori did read over it, he also told the author to write whatever they wanted so I'm not sure it can be taken as canon towards the TV series.

[magnuskn]

I believe Karice translated the authors comments and while Kawamori did read over it, he also told the author to right whatever they wanted so I'm not sure it can be taken as canon towards the TV series.

With the "everybody writes how he wants it!" attitude we got at the moment with all the tie-ins for Frontier, it is indeed a bit difficult to discern what is canon and what is not.

Heh. I can't wait for someone to finish his personal interpretation of the series with a real ending. :heh:

[raile]

The 30-second preview of the second movie found after the credits of the first movie:
wziWtnPkNI0

[moncikoma]

http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4797/1515800x401shkl.jpg
i bet GRACE is beside her...yes...she's ALIVE!
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/720/0235932893000x1904shkl8.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1674/adaa900x523shkl.jpg
NEW SHERYL COSTUME..KAMEN BUTTERFLY MASK (see the piano)

[moncikoma]

The 30-second preview of the second movie found after the credits of the first movie:
wziWtnPkNI0

i think that was just some prototype....:heh:
i doubt it exsist in the 2nd movie..

[moncikoma]

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12375860

anyone know how to watch it?

[already watched]

[Shiroth]

The 30-second preview of the second movie found after the credits of the first movie:
wziWtnPkNI0
Yes i was thinking Macross 7 four seconds in. I blame the colors~

[germanturkey]

i was more focused on 11 seconds in...

[charles88]

I think woman on the whel chair beside Sheryl is her grandma,Mao Nome

[Dash_Hunter]

I think woman on the whel chair beside Sheryl is her grandma,Mao Nome

I really don't think they will change the fact taht Mao is dead. :uhoh:

I think the person in the wheelchair is Ranzo Saotome (Alto's dad). Why do i think that? well because apparently Sheryl will be sick because of the v-type infection like in the series, she will go to the hospital and there she will meet Alto's dad (and because in the last couple of episodes, ranzo was shown in a wheelchair :eyespin:).

Or maybe it could be someone from SMS, Mr Birler or even Grace :p

[magnuskn]

Mr. Bilrer seems to me to be the most likely person.

[moncikoma]

Mr. Bilrer seems to me to be the most likely person.

he's too BIG :heh:

but i am intrested if it is ALTO dady..
it could lead to....a new continuation..."proposing marriage"

while ranka is playing around somewhere...with her carrot and magic stick..

[magnuskn]

he's too BIG :heh:

He's a Zentradi, so he can be micronized, just like Klan.

[Shiroth]

I hope it is Mr. Bilrer, just for the reason that i want to see more of him. :p

[moncikoma]

He's a Zentradi, so he can be micronized, just like Klan.

can HUMAN be macronized?
i want to see BIG Sheryl...using her VF costume...and fighting the VAJRA..:heh:

if i remember..correctly alto dad's hair is white..wait...brown maybe??? or it could be MINMEY OBASSANNN
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/4797/1515800x401shkl.jpg

[Shiroth]

or it could be GRANDMA MINMEY
You're going just a bit over the top now. :p

[magnuskn]

can HUMAN be macronized?

Well, according to DYRL, yes.

[moncikoma]

i mean OBASSANNNN..hehhe

Well, according to DYRL, yes.

so there's a human character in DRYL that was macronized?

who is it? MAX? MISA? i dont remember the movie...:p

[magnuskn]

so there's a human character in DRYL that was macronized?

who is it? MAX? MISA? i dont remember the movie...:p

Max, when Minmay is singing the title song during the last battle with Bodolzers fleet. :) There is a short shot of him and Miriya entering Queadluun armors.

Man, that took some searching.

[moncikoma]

WOWWW...
MAYBE THE next movie.....it would be CLAN and MICHAEL entering Queadluun armors

or SHERYL and RANKA...TO MAKE their VOICE LOUDER...!

[Lancel]

Same, probably an OVA. I want to see a female pilot in the love triangle myself. The closest this has ever happened was Mylene and... well... she just Basaraed around, and the next closest thing is Sheryl, who actually touches the controls of a Valkyrie. Decided lack of female pilots in general, not that they don't exist, just... not very many.

Anyway, speculation on the second movie: Sheryl will probably be sick again, and I expect her plot arch as established in 18-25 will be present in some way. The changes to this will be interesting.

Also interesting if Alto sucking her blood in the first movie will go anywhere if Sheryl is sick. There is still a chance she isn't sick at all, but the teaser stuff for the second movie shows that scene where Grace is evil and infects her. I thought she looked a bit older, I mean assuming it is Sheryl, in the movie trailer than she did in the series in that shot. Her figure doesn't look fully developed (though she is laying down) but she does look taller than she did as a kid, her overall shape seems to be more like a teenager. Or maybe she gets infected in the movie itself, which could be an interesting plot twist if so, like Grace offering it for Sheryl to do to save the fleet.

Side note, I absolutely LOVE the new art of Sheryl at the piano. Someone put a lot of attention to detail in that one, and Sheryl looks lovely (as usual I suppose).

[Shiroth]

Same, probably an OVA. I want to see a female pilot in the love triangle myself. The closest this has ever happened was Mylene and... well... she just Basaraed around, and the next closest thing is Sheryl, who actually touches the controls of a Valkyrie.
I think someone is forgetting Mylene, or even Sylvie. :p

[moncikoma]

I bet the new outfit (see piano) is for a new song

Just like from the tv series when she sings "yousei"
Her singing style is more sad, and slow paced... More calm...

And with a sound of piano.... WOW... It is gonna be beautifull T T

[Lancel]

I think someone is forgetting Mylene, or even Sylvie. :p

What? But I mentioned Mylene. :( Who the hell is Sylvie?!

[Shiroth]

Who the hell is Sylvie?!
Ace female Valkyrie pilot from Macross II.

[Crimson Cloud]

One thing is sure in this movie though, ether Ranka or Sheryl fans will not be pleased. Unless they pull out the old ''everyone watches at the sky till credits start to roll'', which will piss everyone off. I'm worried that one of my favorite series might became one of the worst depending how everything plays out...

[Lancel]

Multiple endings is an interesting possibility. The movie Clue had I think three endings. In theaters it showed all of them, then in different region broadcasts it got one ending, then finally the DVD had all the endings, with an option to watch it with all the endings or watch it with a randomly selected ending. I could see a DVD menu where you click Play and it gives you an option between Ranka and Sheryl. There could be hidden endings too, like series-style, the sky, etc.

I'm not sure how the fanbase might react to that, it could technically be construed as another cop out, though technically they DO all get the ending they hoped for.

[justavisitor]

coming from the person who likes Amagami, I have no problem with multiple endings at all....:heh:

I don't think the movie will have any formal resolution tho...I guess those endings (Ranka, polygamy :D, etc) will come as the extra feature in DVD...so ppl will have more reasons to buy them :heh:

[Lancel]

Don't forget the SherylXRanka ending, where they both unceremoniously dump Alto. :D

Of course some of these endings I expect would be joke endings. My thinking is only the RankaXAlto and SherylXAlto would be taken seriously.

[justavisitor]

That would definitely be my second favorite ending...other than the RankaxAlto ending of course :D

[moncikoma]

i hate multiple endings...it wont be original anymore...!

if it has multiple endings...it should be like this :

true ending : sheryl become an immortal android, using cyborg implant from Galaxy, to survive her sickness... (NEXT MACROS...she's still there!)
normal ending : sheryl and Alto have a kid
happy ending : sheryl warp and jump to me... because of misscalculation gate jump
bad ending : sheryl married with bob, ranka married with Alto
sad ending : sheryl died, vaporized by konig, just like her ancestor
special ending : sheryl X ranka ending..X3

[raile]

I'm not really fond of those kinds of ending for this anime. Macross is Macross NOT an otome game after all. There are shoujo animes for that kind of thing. Personally, I think a Sheryl ending is the most suitable, if not then a tastefully unresolved ending. No matter how glossy, nice (and maybe not so nice) the movies are (will be for WoG), you can never really erase the original series and the flow of how it went or the characters and how they were. I think that's the reason why so many people aren't really fond of IUH because they made some liberties with some characters (not just Ranka).

[Yot-chan]

No matter how glossy, nice (and maybe not so nice) the movies are (will be for WoG), you can never really erase the original series and the flow of how it went or the characters and how they were. I think that's the reason why so many people aren't really fond of IUH because they made some liberties with some characters (not just Ranka).

I don't think of them as trying to erase anything. The movie fully expects you to have seen the show, and ideally, it just gives you more of what you already like, with a few surprises thrown in.