Final Fantasy Dissidia 2 [Archive]

charles88

2010-09-11, 17:29

Remenber Dissidia has storyline and they need to add character that have interaction with FF villain and other charcter.

Here my prediction of new charater in Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy

Final Fantasy 1

Cosmos:Possibly Black Mage seeing how popular is it

Chaos:Not sure but most likely Astos or Bikke

Final Fantasy 2

Cosmos:Maria or Guy since they were friend of Firion

ChaosMost likely Emperor of Light but it could be Leon as he is former knight of Emperor

Final Fantasy 3

Cosmos:Arc because she friend of Luneth

Chaos:Xande because he is Cloud of Darkness follower

Final Fantasy 4

Cosmos:Kain Highwind pretty much confirm but not sure he is in Cosmos side or Chaos side

Chaos:Zemus as he is final boss of FF 4

Final Fantasy 5

Cosmos:Lenna or Faris as they were main character.Also its possibel one of them get along with Lightning as one of them(most likly Faris)have love for their sister.

Chaos:Gilgamesh as he is very famous

Final Fantasy 6

Cosmos:Most likely Celes

Chaos:Not sure but maybe Gestahl

Final Fantasy 7

Cosmos:Really hard as alot of awesome character but my opinion,most likely are Zack Fair or Vincent Valentine

Chaos:Most likely Genesis Rhapsodos if Zack in Cosmos side and Weiss if Vincent in Cosmos side

Final Fantasy 8

Cosmos:Of course is most likely is none other than Rinoa Heartilly(i like to see other FF character especially Bartz and Zidane reaction of Rinoa being Squall girlfriend) or Laguna Loire

Chaos:Seifer Almasy is most likely cantidate

Final Fantasy 9

Cosmos:very hard to say but most likely Vivi or Garnet

Chaos:Also very hard to tell.Most likely is Black Waltz

Final Fantasy 10

Cosmos:Of course most likely is Yuna but i think her clothing and figthing style is based on FF X2

Chaos:Most likely Shuyin as i like to see interaction between him and Tidus as they were yin and yang to each other or Seymour

Final Fantasy 12

Cosmos:Most likely Vaan,Basch fon Ronsenburg if Gabranth still in Chaos side,Ashelia B'nargin Dalmasca or Balthier since he is very popular.

Chaos:Possibly Vayne Carudas Solidor or Cidolfus Demen Bunansa aka Dr Cid if Balthier in Cosmos side.

Final Fantasy 13

Cosmos:Lightning is pretty much confirm(I like to see her interaction with Cloud and Squall),Snow Villiers or Sazh Katzroy since Tetsuya want Sazh in Dissidia sequal.

Chaos:Most likely Barthandelus aka Galenth Dysley or Jihl Nabaat

Here my list of most likely characters appear in Dissidia sequal.Please tell us which FF characters most likely appear in Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy and why.

I already post my opinion,but since its actual forum of Dissidia 012,i repost to kick start this forum.

Kafriel

2010-09-11, 17:55

My hopes:
FF4: Kain/Zeromus
FF5: Galuf/Dragan or any of the old heroes going darkside, since Gilgamesh is like...comic relief.
FF6: Celes/Minerva
FF7: Zack/Genesis
FF8: Rinoa/Edea OR Zell/Seifer
FF9: Steiner/Beatrix
FF10: Auron/Seymour
FF11: No idea, never played...
FF12: Ashe/Vayne
FF13: Snow/Hope, and yea I know Hope is a hero but he fits the villain archetype for quite a bit of the game, especially when paired with Snow. Then again, Lightning's on the cover, so if not these two, Lightning/Barthandelus in Serrah form.

Kaisos Erranon

2010-09-12, 02:21

If FFXIII is going to get a villain, it's going to be either Cid Raines or Yaag Rosch. Barthandelus would be, uh, somewhat impossible. Maybe as a Chaos-like boss, but...

Shiroth

2010-09-12, 03:42

FF9: Steiner/Beatrix
I wouldn't be able to stop laughing if Steiner becomes a playable character. :heh:

& yes please Beatrix. <333

Cub-Sama

2010-09-12, 06:02

I hope they bring in the Final Fantasy Tactics and Original Kingdom Hearts characters too, it would be nice to play as them in Dissidia, also I hope there is 2 or so characters per side for each game.

Von Himmel

2010-09-12, 13:59

While it's actually quite likely that Beatrix will be in it....Steiner is a different story :heh: A-and it's not like that he can use all of his power in battle because there's no Vivi to enhance his sword with magic ! :heh:

Lightning/Barthandelus in Serrah form.
Holy shi-
While making Serah in it might perhaps just the same as creating a new original character (because she never fight in the game), I think it's a quite intresting idea o.o;
Hope is good choice too,but having him in the Chaos side is impossible :heh: (I just want him with my Lightning to have a shipping moments ;_; )

Kafriel

2010-09-12, 14:37

While it's actually quite likely that Beatrix will be in it....Steiner is a different story A-and it's not like that he can use all of his power in battle because there's no Vivi to enhance his sword with magic ! Would you rather have queen Brahne and Garnet instead? :P
About 13, Raines would have been a good villain if he wasn't so easily swayed...so it's either Bart or Orphen, but if they get the chaos side, one of the Pulse girls would have to go on the cosmos side, and have an EX Ragnarok form too :)

synaesthetic

2010-09-12, 16:27

FFXI guesses:

Cosmos: Prishe (or possibly Ayame)
Chaos: Archduke of Jeuno (that bishonen guy who I can never spell his apostrophe-overdosed name)

charles88

2010-09-13, 08:31

Official website:http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/

Blog:http://blog.jp.square-enix.com/tgs10/2010/09/13153955.html

Kyero Fox

2010-09-13, 10:49

FFXI guesses:

Cosmos: Prishe (or possibly Ayame)
Chaos: Archduke of Jeuno (that bishonen guy who I can never spell his apostrophe-overdosed name)

Screw you (jk) Screw prishe, they already added the loli shannananana w.e, TENZEN should have been in #1 ....

-Sho-

2010-09-13, 12:15

I wonder why they called it "Duodecim" aka "012" .
Anyway waiting for TGS for more news ^^

Nerroth

2010-09-13, 15:58

I'd actually like to see them go with a younger Angeal as a foil to Genesis, if the Crisis Core cast is up for consideration.

(It would be interesting to see what Angeal would make of that blonde fellow running around with Zack's hairstyle and a certain oversized blade...)

C.A.

2010-09-13, 16:10

Actually I would want Vincent in more than any other Buster Sword or even just sword wielders. Vincent using a gun would be more unique than the rest of the cast whom all use either sword or magic.

Fist fighters are great as well.

iwatch2muchanime

2010-09-13, 16:31

My hopes.

EVERY CHARACTER FROM EVERY GAME.

If it can't be done then this game doesn't need to be made yet. ALso if it isn't PS3 than it didn't need to be made in the first place.

synaesthetic

2010-09-13, 16:47

Screw you (jk) Screw prishe, they already added the loli shannananana w.e, TENZEN should have been in #1 ....

Lilisette, then. :D

Tenzen was kind of a dork and also he got his ass handed to him way too fast. God that fight was lolworthy for me; 2 BLU/NIN and 3 SAM/RNG just pounded his ass to death inside of thirty seconds.

The SCH healing us barely had to do anything.

Kyero Fox

2010-09-13, 17:04

What's lol is the tarutaru and jailbait elvaan and 90% of the cast women, tenzen goes 1 on 1 with BAHAMUT if hendidnt hold back or went 1on1 he would have destroyed you utterly.

Shiroth

2010-09-13, 17:13

New information can be found over at andriasang's (http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/13/dissidia_teaser_site/) site.

We have a screenshot each showing Lightning and Kain in action, along with the obvious news that there will be new characters, BGM and levels. Looking forward to finding out what they'll add to the battle system.

charles88

2010-09-15, 06:44

Here the picture of Dissidia 012 gameplay style.

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/tgs2010/dissidia012_howto.jpgIts seems Kain Ex mode is Holy Dragoon.

What do you think?

P.S
Looking forward to see Dissidia 012 trailer in TGS 2010.

Shiroth

2010-09-15, 06:49

^Could you please learn how to use thumbnails?

Kyero Fox

2010-09-15, 07:23

^ No need to be mean. its not hurting anyone that much.

Von Himmel

2010-09-15, 07:52

Well, from what I've seen in that picture..I guess we'll be having a new system called...assist ? I think it's a great idea because it might give us a chance to get more opening to attack the enemy...or something :(

Shiroth

2010-09-15, 08:39

^ No need to be mean. its not hurting anyone that much.
It slows down my connection like crazy, and that goes for a lot of people. Just adding the image to imageshack and using the thumbnail link isn't much trouble at all.

charles88

2010-09-15, 09:40

Sorry,i dont know how to do it.By the waywhat do you think of Kain EX mode?

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2010-09-15, 10:20

Official website:http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/

Blog:http://blog.jp.square-enix.com/tgs10/2010/09/13153955.html

I like how the floating blue particles in the official website follow my mouse pointer onscreen.:heh:

-Sho-

2010-09-15, 12:20

Nomura is talking about Dissidia Sequel :

Square Enix kicked off their Dissidia 012 PR campaign last week by introducing two new characters to the mix -- Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII, and Kain Highwind from Final Fantasy IV. "Kain was always a character I've pictured for the sequel, should we make one," Nomura commented. "With a game like Dissidia where jumping plays such a factor, I wanted to see how a dragoon's Jump skill would play into things. That was the only real request I had for Kain; otherwise I left things to Takahashi."

"When you're talking about dragoons like Kain, you think about aerial combat -- moving around in the air and staying above or to the side of the enemy, always seizing the advantage," added Takahashi. "One unique feature of his is the ability to cancel the unguarded period that BRV attacks cost you. Pressing the Triangle button after sending the enemy flying causes him to dash into the air a bit, letting him go right to the next attack. The position Kain takes is a key part of his fighting style, so the better a grip you have on the local arena and obstacles, the better you'll fight, perhaps."

As for Lightning? "You really can't talk about Lightning without considering the Paradigm system," Takahashi said. "Figuring out how to work that system into Dissidia was a source of trouble for us at the beginning -- we considered going in a different direction with her at one point -- but we decided that we couldn't possibly introduce an FFXIII character without some Paradigm-type gameplay aspect. So she fights while switching roles between Commando, Ravager and Medic, and her BRV attacks are based on her roles, so her fighting style can change very rapidly."

These aren't the only new characters debuting in Dissidia 012, though, right? "We aren't doubling the roster or having one character from every single series title, but we aren't preparing only three or four new characters, either," Nomura said. Feel like being a bit more specific, guys? "There are other new characters, but we've got strict space limits with the UMD media and so we can't give you an exact number yet," Takahashi responded. "All the characters from the previous game are here, too. There isn't a character we aren't readjusting at least a bit -- most characters are getting new skills. Firion, in particular, is really getting reborn here. We got a lot of feedback about him from gamers that will get reflected in the game."

Nomura and Takahashi are still a bit coy about new gameplay features in Dissidia 012, preferring to have gamers discover them for themselves when they try out the TGS demo. However, Takahashi did reveal that you'll be able to import your save game from the first Dissidia into the sequel. "You will be able to import your save, but we can't say much more than that right now since it's related to a gameplay aspect we haven't revealed yet," he commented. "We don't want gamers who played the original to think they're going through the same motions -- this game is fun in a new way, so there are bits you can import and bits you can't. How much you can import is something we're figuring out right now."

Source (http://www.1up.com/news/nomura-talks-dissidia-sequel)

So the number of characters depends on space limits .
Good we can import save :D

Kafriel

2010-09-15, 14:45

Firion reborn? Yeah no doubt, he commands ALL weapons! I'm really happy though, I was hoping they'll avoid the DBZ route of over 176 generic characters and focus on how to improve the current ones and the gameplay in general. Don't get me wrong, Dissidia is a very good game, but it has a lot of room for development, and it would be a waste to see it unused.

Iron Maw

2010-09-15, 17:13

New Scans and info here:

http://www.finalfantasy.net/dissidia-final-fantasy/dissidia-duodecim-final-fantasy/14-09-2010/dissidia-duodecim-in-this-weeks-famitsu/

Images of the new Assist System here:

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/tgs2010/dissidia012_howto.jpg

Character Move/Skill sheet:

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/dissidia_012/tgs2010/dissidia012_list.jpg

Von Himmel

2010-09-15, 21:40

Lightning sets of skills looks like it was taken directly from FF 13 battle system, where we pick different types of skills and put them in the ATB gauge ---> action.

It looks..intresting o.o;

Iron Maw

2010-09-15, 22:06

Lightning sets of skills looks like it was taken directly from FF 13 battle system, where we pick different types of skills and put them in the ATB gauge ---> action.

It looks..intresting o.o;

Yep, you can see this in the translated version (thanks to the dissdia forums.com):

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3892/duodecimtgsmovelisttran.png

Notes:

-Lighting's Smash Up has BV-HP attack called Flourish of Steel.
-Cloud, Kuja and Firion all have some new attacks.
-For the demo purpose each character has one fixed Assist i.e Kain-Cecil.

Iron Maw

2010-09-16, 02:29

Kain Gameplay (http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-10-dissidia-final/704580)

-Sho-

2010-09-16, 08:42

This is nice ^^

Rumor says that Tifa will be confirmed .

We can win some outfits :

http://s2.noelshack.com/uploads/images/12606575586363_cloud_cosplay_kh.jpg

http://s2.noelshack.com/uploads/images/12136725956025_lightning_cosplay_aya.jpg

Holy Shit Aya cosplay :D

Kafriel

2010-09-16, 13:10

KH Cloud!? That's a weird addition...but SeeD Squall would be cool to have too :) I also wonder if they'll add more of the games' BGMs, the collection from Dissidia was nice but recycling the music isn't the FF style.

Edge Meltdown

2010-09-16, 13:19

tifa would be a nice addition to the game since she'll be the only female who can knock chaos' socks off with just her fist ^_^

oh... it would be also nice if we can see squall from KH

technomo12

2010-09-16, 13:22

i want tiffa and lightning to be included >_<

Kafriel

2010-09-16, 13:25

tifa would be a nice addition to the game since she'll be the only female who can knock chaos' socks off with just her fist ^_^ I beg to differ, FF5 has the ever-hardcore Faris and FF8 got Angelmax Rinoa! ...oh yeah and then there's Lightning :D

technomo12

2010-09-16, 13:32

why not add all the FF babes in the game itself>_<

and add the most hot and steamy guys of the FF series in there to and im pretty sure it would be hell on earth to buy em

-Sho-

2010-09-16, 13:34

Cuz Nomura said :

"There are other new characters, but we've got strict space limits with the UMD media and so we can't give you an exact number yet,"

Edge Meltdown

2010-09-16, 13:36

I beg to differ, FF5 has the ever-hardcore Faris and FF8 got Angelmax Rinoa! ...oh yeah and then there's Lightning :D

but isn't she uber hax!!! but seeing interaction between squall and her would be nice... they'll be all lovey-dovey and all that :p

Iron Maw

2010-09-16, 14:50

I beg to differ, FF5 has the ever-hardcore Faris and FF8 got Angelmax Rinoa! ...oh yeah and then there's Lightning :D

If anyone is getting from FFV, I hope it's Gil. He's been so many FF Games that it be crazy not to have him here. <.<

Lighting Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfN6gjafqfo&feature=player_embedded#!)

charles88

2010-09-17, 04:47

Here the trailer although its bad quality bbut its better than nothing.

Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2R1fqoaGo4&feature=youtu.be&a

Well pretty much Tifa is confirm.But i saw Shantotto in trailer,i wonder whats her role in the game.Also new map is Sky Fortress Bahamut which it could be Vayne Solidor in Chaos side.Its seems Celes also in Dissidia 012,although not fully confirm yet.It seems Kuja play same role as Golbez in Dissidia 012.I wonder why Kain atack Bartz and Ligthning?

What do you think of trailer?

-Sho-

2010-09-17, 05:41

Yeah saw it yesterday . Tifa will be confirmed soon .
Celes is a rumor .

Iron Maw

2010-09-17, 09:16

kenjiharima

2010-09-17, 11:28

TIFA IS IN THIS GAME!!!

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/09/17/tifa-lockheart-confirmed-for-dissidia-duodecim-final-fantasy/

Sure buy for me now. :D

Kafriel

2010-09-17, 11:45

You and another million Tifa fans, Kenji :P

Kyero Fox

2010-09-17, 12:08

I wonder if they will make her boobs huge in this one. She got them reduced in AC apparently XD

Im sure theres gonna be a lot of Tifa Vs Lightning matches on youtube... even tho Tifa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lightning in every possible way.

Daniel E.

2010-09-17, 12:15

TIFA IS IN THIS GAME!!!

http://www.siliconera.com/2010/09/17/tifa-lockheart-confirmed-for-dissidia-duodecim-final-fantasy/

Sure buy for me now. :D

I am gonna guess that her Advent Children outfit will also be included. Always prefered that one over the original. :p

Shiroth

2010-09-17, 14:32

I am gonna guess that her Advent Children outfit will also be included. Always prefered that one over the original. :p
Same here.

I'm not that big on Tifa, though at least it means we'll be getting more then just the lead characters. :D

Kyero Fox

2010-09-17, 14:45

I like both,I just wonder why they changed it so dramaticly and reduced her "size" :heh:

Ending

2010-09-17, 15:13

Oh, great. Another Final Fantasy game. And this time they figured out a sure-fire way to lure in the fans too. :rolleyes:

(Yes, I'm being cynical. The past 5-6 parts have been awful. They really need to come up with more believable characters and story.)

Shiroth

2010-09-17, 15:17

Kafriel

2010-09-17, 16:31

I wonder how the story will go. Yeah I know, fighting title and all, but each character got some 40 hours of development beforehand (at least the mains), and I loved their interactions in Dissidia (particularly Golbez). So, do we have any setting or something?

Nerroth

2010-09-17, 16:33

I still hope they'll have a scene where the Emperor sees Bartz use someone's else's weapon, then shouts "FFFFFAAAKEEEEEERRRRR!" at him...

Also, yay for Tifa! I agree with the wish for an AC-themed costume, too.

Edge Meltdown

2010-09-18, 01:51

will we be getting some of the turks from FFVII on the villain side? let's say reno for instance?

Kafriel

2010-09-18, 01:54

I don't know about the new character additions...the Turks seem too secondary to add, although they do have their nice background, but are always seen as a group, and that would mean 4-5 characters. Isn't that a bit too much just for FFVII, excluding Cloud and Tifa?

Edge Meltdown

2010-09-18, 01:58

^ yea but i kinda feel sorry for sephiroth as he is being the only character from FFVII on the villain side... well they can put dyne (barret's best bud) or kujah or rufus... I'm just sayin'

Von Himmel

2010-09-18, 02:01

Tifa ? Well, at least now we got some 'monk' character to fight :(
Not too hyped up on this for some reasons...orz

Kafriel

2010-09-18, 02:06

Why, Jecht was effin awesome in the previous game...
well they can put dyne (barret's best bud) or kujah or rufus... I'm just sayin'
I was thinking of Rufus too, but the guy's a crippled president. Hojo, on the other hand, would be an amazing villain for any hero (Vincent, Cloud, etc.) and even for villains (@Sephiroth: who's your daddy!) :heh: if only it was Vincent instead :[

Edge Meltdown

2010-09-18, 02:32

Why, Jecht was effin awesome in the previous game...

I was thinking of Rufus too, but the guy's a crippled president. Hojo, on the other hand, would be an amazing villain for any hero (Vincent, Cloud, etc.) and even for villains (@Sephiroth: who's your daddy!) :heh: if only it was Vincent instead :[

Well he is awesome many ways :D I mean even tidus couldn't best his pops (such a whiny bastard, lol jk :p)

and as for rufus they could still add him right before he got crippled by diamond weapon and plus his panther with him.

-Sho-

2010-09-18, 05:11

What i want :

- Zell
- Zack
- Angel
- Lulu :love: That look a like a black witch :p
- Quistis :love: Whip me :p
- Aerith :love: why not ? there's Tifa :p
- Vincent
- Auron
....

well all characters T_T

kenjiharima

2010-09-18, 05:22

You and another million Tifa fans, Kenji :P

They're quite people that buys the game. Iam one of the many that is a vocal about my FFVII fandom. :heh:

I am gonna guess that her Advent Children outfit will also be included. Always prefered that one over the original. :p

Original or AC costume or the cow girl look, she's in the game that is MOST important to me.

I like both,I just wonder why they changed it so dramaticly and reduced her "size" :heh:

The big boobies where way back animish in PSX console. Ehrgiez and FFVII AC made her boobies more real. Still big though no complain there. :D

Ok where's Yuffie. :p

Ending

2010-09-19, 04:24

This isn't your typical Final Fantasy game. Go read up on Final Fantasy Dissidia please.
I did that, checking out their wikipage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Dissidia) and some videos from YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfKcfNkoZjI). Basically, when you have seen one, you have seen them all and this one continues right in the same vein as all other FF games post-FF7. It's all about flash and bang with very little real emotion. Compared to games like Dragon Age, it's nothing.

yezhanquan

2010-09-19, 04:58

I did that, checking out their wikipage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Dissidia) and some videos from YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfKcfNkoZjI). Basically, when you have seen one, you have seen them all and this one continues right in the same vein as all other FF games post-FF7. It's all about flash and bang with very little real emotion. Compared to games like Dragon Age, it's nothing.

I will agree with you for the English versions. Japanese Dissidia has top-notch voice acting, and the emotion is there, period. Oh, and never check Wikipedia for game info. You might want to try the Final Fantasy Wiki.

Ok, in other news, let's discuss some plot for this prequel. A few reminders:

1) In 012, Terra WILL be evil. She was on Chao's side, as mentioned in Dissidia.

2) Jecht will be on Cosmos's side. Have to see how father and son fight side by side.

3) There has to be explanations how the new characters managed to escape cycle #13.

4) We will likely get to see Shantatoo and Gabranth fight for their sides. Probably will get to hear Gabranth brag about his prowess, as mentioned by him during his Distant Glory story. I just hope Shantatoo gets more lines. Megumi-san is awesome.

Kafriel

2010-09-19, 05:10

when you have seen one, you have seen them all and this one continues right in the same vein as all other FF games post-FF7.
FF8, FF9 and FF10 are three entirely different games, both in story and gameplay...knowing one title means you know...the status effects and references of the other games, but the actual games are only connected by title.
very little real emotion.
FF10 was emotional enough to get a sequel just for the emotionally overloaded fangirls :P
1) In 012, Terra WILL be evil. She was on Chao's side, as mentioned in Dissidia.
Where was it mentioned? o_0 Last thing I remember was her walking away with the onion knight...

yezhanquan

2010-09-19, 05:14

In the story, it was mentioned several times that she served Chaos during the previous cycle (012, and please don't ask me which part it was. I believe it was a conversation part, and I'm not going to replay all 10 DOs to find out where it is.), as the villians remembered the events of 012. Kerfka wanted to enslave her again, just like how he did so in 012. Also, take a look at this.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:Terrad012closeup.png

Looks pretty much like a Brainwashed and Crazy Terra to me.

Benoit

2010-09-19, 08:52

FF10 was emotional enough to get a sequel just for the emotionally overloaded fangirls :P
Nonsense. The Final Fantasy X project was so big that it was split in two games. This is also why the sequel was announced so quickly after FFX's release.

yezhanquan

2010-09-19, 20:13

Hmmm... Ito Ayumi is a rather big star. SE must have pulled something off to get her to voice Tifa here. Or she enjoys voicing Tifa. Haha.

Sakamoto Maaya in with the rest of the Dissidia cast. Can't wait.

Kaisos Erranon

2010-09-19, 20:20

Compared to games like Dragon Age, it's nothing.

Dragon Age is terrible. The story is not worth slogging through hours and hours of outdated, painfully slow gameplay.

Looks pretty much like a Brainwashed and Crazy Terra to me.

Whoa, what? This is a PREQUEL?

Huh. That's. Actually quite cool. Inevitable bad ending ho.

~ Lawliet ~

2010-09-19, 20:38

Yeah the sequel should be great surely.
Really looking forward to some online myself anyway.

yezhanquan

2010-09-20, 01:19

Whoa, what? This is a PREQUEL?

Huh. That's. Actually quite cool. Inevitable bad ending ho.

Well, bad in the sense that the main cast returned for 013. I speculate that there will be a 014, where it really comes to an end, as Shinryu promised.

Ending

2010-09-20, 01:58

FF10 was emotional enough to get a sequel just for the emotionally overloaded fangirls :P
They would swallow anything and then revel in it on various Internet forums. Seen any? :naughty:

TBH, it's not just the voice-acting (although having the original voices makes it ten times better), but the characterization. You got a noble knight, an overly cheery girl, the smart one with big titties, the 100% evil antagonist, an unerringly goody-goody protagonist, the love interest, a sassy non-romanceable bannergirl, and other similar anime clichés.

Then you know how the story will go even before it has begun. Like one of the posters before me said: inevitable bad ending ho, and that's boring. In Dragon Age, there were more shades of grey, at least, since even the main antagonist was there for reasons other than "just being evil." He was there to unite the armies behind his banner and become the new king whereas Chaos is... what? He is trying to destroy the Warriors of Light because...?

The story revolves around two gods: Cosmos, the goddess of harmony, and Chaos, the god of discord. Creating a world from pieces of other worlds, they have been locked in eternal conflict, summoning several warriors to battle in a never-ending cycle of death and rebirth until the balance tipped in favor of Chaos. As the war seems to be nearing its end, the ten warriors of Cosmos band together to strike back at Chaos's minions and restore harmony.

Kafriel

2010-09-20, 02:14

Chaos is compulsively evil by his nature in Dissidia, which is what brought him to the "destroy everything, feel nothing" notion. I'd describe his feelings best by using Ulquiorra's aspect of emptyness...Additionally, characters like Jecht, Golbez, Cecil, Squall, Cloud, Sephiroth, Terra and Firion had many interesting interactions with their respective others, based on their background.
Trying to destroy the Warriors of Light because... of what? For just being evil?

To each, his own...the warriors of Chaos are evil (Golbez and Jecht exempted) and have a range of incentives, from wanting to crush the other side's hope, to luring them into darkness or just expressing their regret for their own actions and fate (Gabranth).
They would swallow anything and then revel in it on various Internet forums. Seen any?
Touche :P

kenjiharima

2010-09-20, 03:10

Shiroth

2010-09-20, 03:35

Wuuuuut~~?! She's also got amnesia? She forgot Sephiroth?!
If you ask me, it's better that way. :p

Von Himmel

2010-09-20, 04:16

If I remembered correctly, none of those warriors from Chaos/Cosmos' side will have their memories from their respective worlds... or something :( Wait, it doesn't sounds right because the warrior do remember their relationship with the enemy @_@

Whoa, what? This is a PREQUEL?

Huh. That's. Actually quite cool. Inevitable bad ending ho.
I guess that explains a lot...

kenjiharima

2010-09-20, 04:27

If you ask me, it's better that way. :p

Tifa got slashed with Sephiroth's sword and hit her head in the original game. Cloud lifted her and put her somewhere safe. Later on after the battle she was rescued by her master.
But still come on Square Enix, amnesia again?..... >_>

If I remembered correctly, none of those warriors from Chaos/Cosmos' side will have their memories from their respective worlds... or something :( Wait, it doesn't sounds right because the warrior do remember their relationship with the enemy @_@

I think only main characters remember the memories.

Prequel eh...guess everyone in the end is doomed anyways........................>_>
Not unless
There are DLC on the SE homepage for a new mission.

yezhanquan

2010-09-20, 04:32

kenjiharima on Tifa news. :p

Sephiroth and Tifa's speak TGS.

Tifa - "Who are you?"

Sep -"Your enemy. There’s no need to know more than that."

Tifa - "So, a warrior of Chaos ..."

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Wuuuuut~~?! She's also got amnesia? She forgot Sephiroth?!

It could also be that she remembers Sephiroth, but after that trip to the world of Dissidia, she wasn't sure if her eyes are playing tricks on her, that the old baddy followed her to this new world.

kenjiharima

2010-09-20, 04:43

I guess I really need to see Tifa's gameplay here. She's GOTTA have a long range attack like in Ehrgiez, if not she'll be most likely be like Cloud a low tier due to range and charging.

Anyways as we all know FFVII characters are hard hitters and damagers.
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Also hoping for Yuffie and Vincent
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yezhanquan

2010-09-20, 04:45

Well, they did warn that not every game will get new characters. Getting more than 1 new character a series is pushing it.

Iron Maw

2010-09-20, 04:45

They would swallow anything and then revel in it on various Internet forums. Seen any? :naughty:

TBH, it's not just the voice-acting (although having the original voices makes it ten times better), but the characterization. You got a noble knight, an overly cheery girl, the smart one with big titties, the 100% evil antagonist, an unerringly goody-goody protagonist, the love interest, a sassy non-romanceable bannergirl, and other similar anime clichés.

Final Fantasy hasn't a plot like that since IV and even in that game things weren't clear-cut. Your over-generalizing and it isn't even correct.

Then you know how the story will go even before it has begun. Like one of the posters before me said: inevitable bad ending ho, and that's boring. In Dragon Age, there were more shades of grey, at least, since even the main antagonist was there for reasons other than "just being evil." He was there to unite the armies behind his banner and become the new king whereas Chaos is... what? He is trying to destroy the Warriors of Light because...?

That's pretty silly because 90% of stories (including DA) bowl down to good vs evil even if it's just a point-of-view. Doesn't mean there aren't grey characters, hell the FF series is posterchild of this. Furthermore you're judging Dissdia based on only it's premise which something you should do for any plot really.

And as for why Cosmos and Chaos are fighting it's because they're primal gods who can't exist together on principal. They aren't human nor do they have human desires and have more than any human could want. So don't treat them as such.

Besides there one major thing your forgetting, Dissdia is a Fighting Game. Unlike an RPG, Gameplay (i.e Character roster, Stages, Balance and Mechanics) is usually the most thing here with plot being a secondary element(especially for crossover games). This the major part we should be most concerned about in this genre.

BTW:

High Quality version of the TGS Trailer,

http://tgs.gamespot.com/video/6276382/?tag=top_stories%3Btitle%3B11#

yezhanquan

2010-09-20, 08:40

Well, I guess my choice for addition is Rinoa. I wonder how the love can blossom.

Kafriel

2010-09-20, 10:25

She's GOTTA have a long range attack like in Ehrgiez, if not she'll be most likely be like Cloud a low tier due to range and charging.
If she's got Jecht-like speed and blocks/counters, she can be an easy high-tier. Then again, if she gets all that, what will Jecht.v2 have? :confused:

kenjiharima

2010-09-20, 11:16

If she's got Jecht-like speed and blocks/counters, she can be an easy high-tier. Then again, if she gets all that, what will Jecht.v2 have? :confused:

He still has his limit break overdrive.

Tifa is more of a balanced range and cqc combo type, with good speed and great power. Though par power per power she's stronger than Cloud physically.

Too bad this new Dissidia won't have that much characters, FFVII had great characters many others like Yuffie and Vincent are awesome edition.

I'll lol if Cloud's alt is Zack here. :heh:

Iron Maw

2010-09-20, 15:15

If she's got Jecht-like speed and blocks/counters, she can be an easy high-tier. Then again, if she gets all that, what will Jecht.v2 have? :confused:

That actually won't help her much considering Jecht is only mid-tier in the first game according to this Tier List:

S Tier

Zidane
Terra
Kuja

A+ Tier

Kefka
Ultimecia
Gabranth

A Tier

Sephiroth
Exdeath
Squall
Tidus
WoL

B Tier

Bartz
Jecht
Golbez

C Tier

CoD
Firion
Cloud
Garland

D Tier

Cecil
Emperor
Onion Knight
Shantotto

Match-Up Chart:

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6317/matchup.png

A bit of explanation:

The numbers next to each character is their match up score. What determines the match up score is the total combined scores of all their match ups (duh.)

So essentially, match up score = placement on the tier list.

I have the specific data on hand however I'm triple and quadruple checking it to make sure I haven't made any errors. Since I've posted the tier list I had to edit it 2 times due to very very minuscule errors because as you can tell a single point can decide whether a character is X tier or Y tier ect.

As for Kuja, hes a sleeper hit. In Get Salty, Paru was burning through with Kuja until he lost vs Shine where he did not use Kuja at all. Then in KAoS we have Jirachi, not much needs to be said there. And currently in Ragnarok we -had- Jirachi playing Kuja and Hallabaloo currently using Kuja.

However these aren't the reasoning's to Kuja's placement, but more of a slight supplement. A lot of this tier list is based on player input with little backing of our actual data. Why? Because we have little to none to go off of. About 30% of the match ups haven't even happened in a tournament setting and even more have only had 1-3 matches played with those characters. Just because this is based on Top Player input, does not mean it was based on the opinion of one player. In fact, for each individual match up is based on the opinions of 2-3 players for that said character on each side as well as the tournament data gathered thus far. Essentially you have about 5-7 sources for each match up covering both sides of the spectrum.

Source:
http://dissidiaforums.com/

Kafriel

2010-09-20, 15:21

Kaisos Erranon

2010-09-20, 15:23

Like one of the posters before me said: inevitable bad ending ho, and that's boring. In Dragon Age, there were more shades of grey, at least, since even the main antagonist was there for reasons other than "just being evil."

That is not what I was referring to at all, in either case.

Dissidia 012 seems to be a prequel to the original game, and given the backstory behind the original game, there's probably going to be a rather depressing little ending.

As for Dragon Age, again, even if the story is good it doesn't excuse the gameplay being a giant mess. Also, you've never played a Japanese RPG in your life if you think there isn't a general undertone of moral greyness in the genre: heroic characters, for example, are almost always murderers in some way or another, and villains tend to have noble motivations even if they're psychotic dictators.

That actually won't help her much considering Jecht is only mid-tier in the first game according to this Tier List

Exdeath should most definitely be in S-tier. A skilled enough Exdeath player can destroy every other character with ease.

Xellos-_^

2010-09-20, 15:31

That is not what I was referring to at all, in either case.

Dissidia 012 seems to be a prequel to the original game, and given the backstory behind the original game, there's probably going to be a rather depressing little ending.

As for Dragon Age, again, even if the story is good it doesn't excuse the gameplay being a giant mess. Also, you've never played a Japanese RPG in your life if you think there isn't a general undertone of moral greyness in the genre: heroic characters, for example, are almost always murderers in some way or another, and villains tend to have noble motivations even if they're psychotic dictators.

Exdeath should most definitely be in S-tier. A skilled enough Exdeath player can destroy every other character with ease.

Kelfka politely disagree with you.

Kaisos Erranon

2010-09-20, 16:25

Kefka politely disagree with you.

I said 'tend to'. Kefka is the exception, so he becomes refreshing as a result.

Iron Maw

2010-09-20, 17:34

Kuja being S-tier really IS odd to me, and I'd say Jecht trumps Tidus and Squall (and any physical attacker, for that matter)...CoD's pretty low too, considering she's the most offensive mage after Kefka. Anyway, since they already said a third of the matchups never came by, I won't question the ladder.

Jecht beating Tidus and Squall might true if high-end battles in the first game didn't favor aerial battles over ground ones. Jecht's lack range attacks doesn't help either and makes him pretty predictable Garland and Firion suffer similar problems too. Good news though is that Infinite Jumps are being taken out in the sequel in addition to a Ground Dash being put in. So the playing field more even between Ground and Aerial based combat.

CoD's problem is her lack of brave attacks, to reliable collect BRV.

That is not what I was referring to at all, in either case.
Exdeath should most definitely be in S-tier. A skilled enough Exdeath player can destroy every other character with ease.

But the thing is that everyone above him has some move that can beat High Guard. Omni Guard is pretty difficult to pull-off and doesn't last as long as High Guard.

yezhanquan

2010-09-20, 18:30

Well, I must say that since everyone will be getting new moves, the tier list will change. Goes back to another question: how will SE explain the lack of these "new" moves for 013? Or will the knowledge of moves change with every cycle?

Kazu

2010-09-20, 18:37

yezhanquan

2010-09-20, 20:54

Who says there has to be a bad ending

according to what I remember and the final fantasy wiki

There has been several repeats and each time if either Chaos or Cosmos die, they get revived by Shinryu and the war repeats

Well, that is not a spoiler. Shinryu is the one who maintains the cycle. However, it acts under the orders of the "Great Will", which is hinted to be us, the players.

Kafriel

2010-09-21, 00:01

Jecht's lack range attacks doesn't help either and makes him pretty predictable Garland and Firion suffer similar problems too.
I will admit that Garland is probably the worst character in all of Dissidia, he is the only one I never got used to no matter how much I played with him...but Jecht can connect bravery to HP attacks, and a good counter (which is surprisingly easy to pull off) gives more than enough room for an HP attack.
Omni Guard is pretty difficult to pull-off and doesn't last as long as High Guard
It's all about timing :) Still, a defensive ExDeath can't win, and all of his attacks are ridiculously slow, so A suits him well, maybe even A+.
There has been several repeats and each time if either Chaos or Cosmos die, they get revived by Shinryu and the war repeats
Wonder if Cosmos ever bothered taking the guys out for a beer or something, don't they ever get tired of fighting?:P

yezhanquan

2010-09-21, 00:12

Ok, I assume that you guys are playing the balanced version (English). I have both the English and Japanese versions, so I do have two rulesets to play with. Jecht Block does brave damage. Ouch.

As for beer, after every fight, I presume that the victors go back to their homeworlds. Maybe, they wake up in bed and thought "Wow. I had a fantastic dream last night..."

kenjiharima

2010-09-21, 02:20

As for beer, after every fight, I presume that the victors go back to their homeworlds. Maybe, they wake up in bed and thought "Wow. I had a fantastic dream last night..."

Pretty much same thoughts here.

I guess lets see what will happen when the game comes out to see the new tier lists.

Kaisos Erranon

2010-09-21, 03:28

Omni Guard is pretty difficult to pull-off and doesn't last as long as High Guard.

That's what I mean by "skilled enough player", though.

Who says there has to be a bad ending

Given that 013 is the 'good ending' (everyone goes home and FFI begins), I don't see how 012, what with it just continuing THE CYCLE OF BATTLE could be considered a good ending.

I will admit that Garland is probably the worst character in all of Dissidia, he is the only one I never got used to no matter how much I played with him...

His physical attack power is extremely, extremely high, and his EX Mode is absolutely hilarious. I agree that Garland's far too slow to be of any real use, though.

Still, a defensive ExDeath can't win

Sure he can. Omniguard counters with Almagest.

yezhanquan

2010-09-21, 03:44

Given that 013 is the 'good ending' (everyone goes home and FFI begins), I don't see how 012, what with it just continuing THE CYCLE OF BATTLE could be considered a good ending.

Well, the "new" characters managed to escape 013. I have a feeling that how they did so will be vital for 014. Come on, don't tell me that SE won't have a 014?

Kafriel

2010-09-21, 09:46

Sure he can. Omniguard counters with Almagest.
Omniguard against starfall and see what happens :) What I meant is that you're waiting for the other player to initiate the attack, which can be pretty bad if you're fighting mages, especially Mateus, Kefka and Ultimecia. One would argue though, that a true EX-Death player doesn't rely on one skill to win...still, all of his other attacks are slow :]

Kaisos Erranon

2010-09-21, 13:05

Omniguard against starfall and see what happens :)

I didn't think Starfall would be the sort of move people would use in competitive play. :heh: There's a reason Emperor is low-tier...

Kafriel

2010-09-21, 16:04

It's really up to who you're facing, the stage and your experience. Although Mateus is slow and predictable, he can have two flares up at the same time, a good number of traps, and a few obstacles to cover for him while charging up his starfall.

yezhanquan

2010-09-22, 04:53

Anyone ever thought of how Lightning is going to fit her skills in? 3 modes can be a great CP eater.

-Sho-

2010-09-22, 16:33

HQ Trailer :

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Von Himmel

2010-09-22, 21:02

I didn't think Starfall would be the sort of move people would use in competitive play. There's a reason Emperor is low-tier...
Regardless, playing with him is fun for me :heh: I usually put up some traps and some homing flare ball (forget the name :( ) so that the enemy wouldn't reach me easily when I used starfall.

yezhanquan

2010-09-22, 22:23

Is it me, or is the soundtrack for that clip vastly lagging?

-Sho-

2010-09-23, 10:06

Vaan might be the 4th new character according to Bobby Edner twitter .

Edge Meltdown

2010-09-23, 11:34

^ I prefer either ashe or balthier instead of vaan, he doesn't even look like a main character to me when I played FFXII.

Kafriel

2010-09-24, 06:46

^ Vaan and Penelo are like Izaac and Miria from Baccano...they're involved with the main story as remotely as possible, the true heroes of FFXII are Ashe, Balthier and Basch.

-Sho-

2010-09-24, 08:48

Indeed with Fran too :D . Well i never liked FFXII ...

kenjiharima

2010-09-24, 10:14

After FF gone online never bought a new FF game.
I've stick with psp dissidia.

Now awaiting Tifa gameplay. :D

Daniel E.

2010-09-24, 13:18

^ I prefer either ashe or balthier instead of vaan, he doesn't even look like a main character to me when I played FFXII.

I'll prefer anybody else from the main cast over Vaan. >_<

yezhanquan

2010-09-24, 23:39

What about new warriors of Chaos?

Kafriel

2010-09-25, 05:36

Hopes/modes:
Zemus/Zeromus
Gilgamesh/w-Excalibur
Minerva/WT
Hojo/Abomination
Adel/w-Rinoa absorbed (if Rinoa joins the heroes, ofc)
Garland/no idea
Seymour/w-Anima?
Vayne/whatever

Can't think much of the rest, too many goons and kinda few pivotal villains to get down a good background.

Von Himmel

2010-09-25, 05:43

Vaan might not be a main character material, but for some reasons I kinda like him in FF 12...Revenant wing or something ?
I wonder about Vaan moveset because I think all the skills for the characters in FF 12 are almost the same >_>

TheRealTRXD

2010-09-25, 14:23

Im really excited about tifa being in this :D

But if yuna isn't there, then surely that is some sort of crime? She's got to be one of the most recognizable characters from the series, and I just love her. I would prefer summoner to gunner, although I guess its pretty hard to imagine her jumping around as a summoner naturally, but I'm sure they will find a way :)

Also, has it been revealed how many paradigms lightning will have?

Kaisos Erranon

2010-09-25, 16:55

What about new warriors of Chaos?

Kain is pretty clearly a Chaos character.

Kafriel

2010-09-26, 01:57

But if yuna isn't there, then surely that is some sort of crime? She's got to be one of the most recognizable characters from the series, and I just love her. I would prefer summoner to gunner, although I guess its pretty hard to imagine her jumping around as a summoner naturally, but I'm sure they will find a way

Also, has it been revealed how many paradigms lightning will have?
Lightning will have three paradigms, Commando, Medic and one more (I THINK Ravager). There's a skill explanation a few pages back. As for Yuna...she was more of a plot device than a rising character in FFX, so I'd prefer her FFX-II self and story, but if we get Seymour then it wouldn't make much sense...ah well.

yezhanquan

2010-09-26, 04:08

Kain is pretty clearly a Chaos character.

Well, in the trailer, he did apparently injure Bartz....

Besides, shouldn't matter too much, since now Chaos warriors will have a story mode as well.

Daniel E.

2010-09-26, 05:53

(if Rinoa joins the heroes, ofc)

One thing that makes me curious about this possibility, is how/if Angelo would be included on her moves.

Kafriel

2010-09-26, 06:24

He'd move along with her, like CoD's tentacles :heh:

Daniel E.

2010-09-26, 10:56

They could also trow Shadow into the mix and have them go at Dog owner Vs Dog owner matches. :p

yezhanquan

2010-09-30, 04:22

Anyway, is there a translation for the dialogue in the TGS trailer? Only part I can fully understand is where Lightning finds Barthz.

P.S. Ok. Found it floating around somewhere.

KrimzonStriker

2010-10-01, 23:52

I'm taking guess here and putting my money that the last new character will be Seifer on the chaos side.

Von Himmel

2010-10-02, 01:38

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHAjHpqIMsM&feature=player_embedded is this shared yet in here ? Gotta say, I love Lightning's move. . I hope she won't end up like Onion Knight like in the first game :(

yezhanquan

2010-10-02, 22:50

Cellatore

2010-10-02, 23:08

Looks awesome I'll defined have to buy it. Though I hope this one comes with online play.

Kaioshin Sama

2010-10-03, 01:22

Daniel E.

2010-10-03, 05:08

Now for the dialogue translations...

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kenjiharima

2010-10-03, 10:05

Aw! Tifa had no cgi battle fights! Well I guess will be waiting till I see her in action. Thanks for the translated youtube link.

Sphire

2010-10-04, 02:07

Hmm, haven't payed much attention to the game, thought it was gonna be a simple sequel. But it looks like it's a prequel, which is kinda cool. Perhaps there'll even be a more involving story to go along with the game.

That said, I did struggle to find a reason to play through everyones story in the first game. I did those I was interested in, and those I found fun to play as. The rest I didn't really bother with. The game takes up a lot of time too.

And while I did like the fighting, I don't really like the break system. But still, the fanboy in me took a look at that trailer and wants the game now....

Kazu

2010-10-06, 14:44

I personally think they should add Auron and Yunalesca as his rival for FFX side

Kyero Fox

2010-10-06, 15:04

Great that annoying little turd is back... the taru..

DragoZERO

2010-10-06, 15:18

This is cool, I do hope this one isn't as cheap as the first one, yes cheap. For example, you need to hit the enemy in the first 10 seconds, except it runs away from you continuously for the first 12 seconds....it was a fun game though!

Kafriel

2010-10-06, 15:25

Some of the DP challenges in 1 were insane...battlegen in <10 seconds, wall rushing, EX bursting, etc. were just annoying to no end. But yeah the rest was good :)

kenjiharima

2010-10-07, 08:42

Iam just wondering here how will Tifa do her grapple moves which are needed to be near opponents. I really hope Cloud and Tifa here are buffed, had a hard time using Cloud before in the first FF Dissidia game.

leodamine

2010-10-07, 14:19

Great that annoying little turd is back... the taru..

Don't talk about the best character in the game like that!

Shantotto > You

Kyero Fox

2010-10-07, 16:18

Don't talk about the best character in the game like that!

Shantotto > You

Tenzen > me > Shantotto > you

RDF2050

2010-10-09, 02:49

Don't talk about the best character in the game like that!

Shantotto > You

Shantotto is her own tier. Fail Abortion is E Tier. She has around like 15+ bad match ups, super cool down time lag in all of her attacks and a horrible defense. If you want to know more information about it , you need to request it in PM. I don't know if I get warnings for giving links to other websites.

leodamine

2010-10-09, 10:07

LOL

I saw the matchup charts, but that doesn't mean Shantotto isn't the most awesome character in this game.

Kyero Fox

2010-10-09, 11:00

Small/Annoying is easly "awesome" to some people =\

Kaisos Erranon

2010-10-09, 13:20

I don't know how anyone can consider Shantotto annoying. Her lines, especially her victory quotes, are hilarious.

RDF2050

2010-10-09, 18:48

I don't know how anyone can consider Shantotto annoying. Her lines, especially her victory quotes, are hilarious.

Bind spam :P

Vicious108

2010-10-10, 20:32

I don't know how anyone can consider Shantotto annoying. Her lines, especially her victory quotes, are hilarious.

Don't forget THE laugh.

Shantotto-chama is a Goddess. This is not only reflected in her quotes, but also those of her opponents. The heroes all seem to fear her and the villains to respect her.

Kyero Fox

2010-10-10, 23:51

Don't forget THE laugh.

Shantotto-chama is a Goddess. This is not only reflected in her quotes, but also those of her opponents. The heroes all seem to fear her and the villains to respect her.

I dont remember any interactions with the main characters with her >_>

AlphaDragoon

2010-10-11, 01:28

I dont remember any interactions with the main characters with her >_>

Actually, in their respective win/lose quotes they all refer to how incredibly uber she is. Even Sephiroth gives her respect, which he should since she's powerful enough to beat him. Hell, Exodus/Ex-Death gives her props and he's godmode of that game. :heh:

RDF2050

2010-10-11, 04:02

Poor Shantotto. She is the rachel (Blazblue CS) of Dissidia. Hope she get a buffed in Duodecima.

yezhanquan

2010-10-11, 04:17

Don't forget THE laugh.

Shantotto-chama is a Goddess. This is not only reflected in her quotes, but also those of her opponents. The heroes all seem to fear her and the villains to respect her.

JP voice is Megumi-san herself. How is that NOT awesome?

Kyero Fox

2010-10-11, 07:09

Poor Shantotto. She is the rachel (Blazblue CS) of Dissidia. Hope she get a buffed in Duodecima.

i hope you just mean gameplay wise :heh:

RDF2050

2010-10-11, 17:28

i hope you just mean gameplay wise :heh:

Yes, I mean her gameplay and attacks are as bad as rachel of CS.

Kyero Fox

2010-10-11, 18:49

Yes, I mean her gameplay and attacks are as bad as rachel of CS.

ok good XD I almost thought you ment their personalities XD you were about to get slapped XP

-Sho-

2010-10-26, 16:25

Tifa's screenshots :

http://s2.noelshack.com/uploads/images/5709919170978_checkouttifa.jpghttp://s2.noelshack.com/uploads/images/2930063704326_checkouttifa2.jpghttp://s2.noelshack.com/uploads/images/3508593295581_checkouttifa3.jpghttp://s2.noelshack.com/uploads/images/314780748777_checkouttifa4.jpg

http://s2.noelshack.com/uploads/images/1723239028863_checkouttifa5.jpghttp://s2.noelshack.com/uploads/images/17871333647904_checkouttifa6.jpg

Info :

Tifa is adept at punches and kicks and uses Final Heaven as her EX Burst. In cinematic scenes, she's shown thanking Cloud for coming to her rescue, but otherwise does not know who her FFVII counterpart is. Cloud doesn't know her either. This amnesia is an effect of the characters having been summoned to a new world.

In the screens, you can see Tifa in her standard form and "Another Form" outfits. Her standard form outfit is her classic FFVII mini skirt and suspenders. Her Another Form outfit is from Final Fantasy VII Advent Children.

Pic 2 -> What are those gauntlets ? ^^

Kaisos Erranon

2010-10-26, 17:20

Pic 2 -> What are those gauntlets ? ^^

Ultima Weapon.

Shiroth

2010-10-26, 17:22

I love Tifa in a miniskirt as much as the next person, though her Advent Children attire suits her so well. I'll be using that one most of the time, for sure.

Kyero Fox

2010-10-26, 20:34

why do they have her beating up on cloud? -_-

Rhythm

2010-10-27, 00:19

-snip-

Yes! Finally they're bringing in Tifa!

Anyways, It's going to be fun kicking ass with Lightning. :D

why do they have her beating up on cloud? -_-

He got too friendly with Aerith. :heh:

-Sho-

2010-10-27, 03:03

Ultima Weapon.

Ow ok , thought it was an alternative weapon .

I love Tifa in a miniskirt as much as the next person, though her Advent Children attire suits her so well. I'll be using that one most of the time, for sure.

Yeah me too , i also think that she looks more a woman and mature in that suit .

Yes! Finally they're bringing in Tifa!

He got too friendly with Aerith. :heh:

Power of love :D

yezhanquan

2010-10-27, 03:22

I was actually hoping for more Lightning-Cloud interaction. Triangle, maybe?

Frailty

2010-10-27, 03:48

I was actually hoping for more Lightning-Cloud interaction. Triangle, maybe?

Cloud and Terra had some moments on the first Dissidia too ya know :D

so it'll be a foursome? :heh:

yezhanquan

2010-10-27, 04:29

Terra's with OK. At least, he would want it that way. XD

-Sho-

2010-11-10, 05:30

So Vaan is confirmed and will use Mist Knack EX burst attack. Meh .

Kyero Fox

2010-11-10, 08:09

gay.... I wanted Baush or whats his name (the blond soldier guy)

Von Himmel

2010-11-10, 11:08

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/11/10/vaan_dissidia/
Yep, Vaan D:
I guess he's pretty cool in his own game (the nds version), but less cool in the original version :(

Vicious108

2010-11-10, 16:04

Ugh.

Well, to look at the bright side, I guess I now have a new punching bag for practicing and trying out new moves.

Shiroth

2010-11-10, 19:22

It was only a matter of time before he was announced. Meh.

AlphaDragoon

2010-11-10, 23:39

I think Vaan's a decent character, but the fact that all his haters are now whining and crying makes me happy they put him in there. And Vaan was awesome in FFTA2.

Now go add Yuna.

Iron Maw

2010-11-11, 02:10

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2476/ddffv.jpg (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/ddffv.jpg/)

Would have much preferred Balthier, but Vaan's okay. Looks like he's second Alt is his "Amano" design. Hopefully we get this (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:FFTA2Vaan.jpg) look as his third.

Speaking of new costume, Terra is wearing something completely different now. O_o

Shiroth

2010-11-11, 18:04

Speaking of new costume, Terra is wearing something completely different now. O_o
& is easily the best part of Vaan's announcement. :p

Iron Maw

2010-11-19, 00:46

Famitsu scans have now shown up with better look at the new alt costumes, Vaan gameplay info and general mechinacs:

http://i53.tinypic.com/255v2wn.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/2nv8l08.jpg

Gameplay stuff:

BTW: Vaan's concept is called "Switch Attacker".

-Gabranth's appearance doesn't seem to change when he goes into EX mode in his third alt
-Kefka's fighting style is supposed to be modified. I don't think it's as big as Firion though.
-Vaan can use 8 weapon (one brave attack each) types and his HP attacks are based on the quickening finishers.
-HP attacks makes him bare-fisted
-Every brave attack(weapon) has two versions a "switch" version and a normal version
-A switch attack happens when use a different weapon from the one equipped and is slower but has extra effects like moving during attack,etc
-A normal attack when you use the same brave attack as the weapon equipped and is faster and easier to use.
-The difference between Firion and Vaan is that a Firion player thinks in the middle of the combo while a Vaan player thinks before attacking. (I guess this means that Vaan doesn't have HP links)
-The stage Squall and Sephiroth are fighting in is The Void (if it wasn't obvious)
-The assist system and the EX mode system are supposed to be opposite to each other
-Using an assist attack against an enemy who is in EX mode triggers EX break, which depletes the enemy's EX to zero and the user gets the EX bonus in the middle
-While in EX mode, attacking an assist character that the enemy unleashed causes Assist Break, Which locks the enemy's Assist gauge for a while and you get the EX bonus in the middle

Iron Maw

2010-11-25, 14:30

Hmm... thread is kinda dead. =/

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Details from Andriasang

* Build up your Assist Gauge (below the green life bars) by striking opponents with your attack.
* You also can build up the gauge by just striking at the air without hitting your opponent, although this takes long.
* The Assist Gauge can be built up faster if you use a variety of attacks rather than the same attack over and over.
* You can also charge up the Assist Gauge through HP attacks.
* Basically, just be active in your attacks, and the gauge will be built up.
* The gauge will deplete if you sit around without attacking.
* Once the at least one bar on the gauge has filled up, you can press L and circle to execute an Assist Brave Attack. Your summoned Assist Character will automatically attack your foe.
* When your Assist Gauge is filled up, press L and circle to execute an Assist HP Attack. As with the Assist HP Attack, your summoned Assist Character will attack your foe for you.

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/11/24/dissidia_assist_system/

And for those interested, a late TGS report/impressions on various changes to the cast. I'II post Lightning and Kain since most people want to know how they fare in game current state.

Lightning: Played by all.
+ One of the most diverse and versatile characters in the build. Easily has tools for just about any situation.
+ Shifts can happen mid-combo, but takes some practice to get it down.
+ Gun shots are gay. They're decently fast, safe pokes, and set up for assist combos
+ Razor Gale tracks slowly and can be set-up for traps. Undashable and unguardable (unlike Tidal Flame issues.)
+ Thunder barrier spell, (Thundaga?) serves as a shield and an assist builder.
+ Flourish of Steel links really well and easily with Smash Upper.
+ Ravager mode is by far the best all around.
+ Ryouigi Shiki's SEIYUUU! ~<3 (quote from Mikoto and Kimeroan)
+ Able to create long combos with assists. Example: Smash Upper (2 hits) -> WoL Buckler -> Set a Razor Gale as WoL attacks -> Ground Rush into Razor Gale -> Paradigmn Shift-> Scene Drive -> WoL Assist DayFlash in the air -> Crushing Blow. Did about 400 twice.
+ AT: Pardigmn Cancel- Mikoto reports being able to cancel the ending lag/animation of certain attacks and the opening of others into the next mode's attack. Example: Commando Smash Upper start up turned into a feint that lead to Waterga. The ending of Thunder was double canceled into Blitz/Gun Rush. It looks as if Lightning does a short hop or twitch when doing the skill. Unsure how to do it, as she couldn't replicate the glitch consistently.
- Complex and has a lot of tools to learn. Assist combo timing are awkward.
- Doesn't gain BRV as easily as you would think.
- Sends foe flying away too often, so you have to chase them a lot to reset your good spot.
- Completely dependent on shifting between modes. Medic is a deadweight.
- Cure spells only worthwhile in Thunder walling. Not that abusable. Could serve as a lure.
- Attacks aren't that fast, but doesn't have Cecil issues with poking. A strong mid-range fighter.
- Commando is mediocre, the gun attacks save it from being standard issue.

Kain Highwind: Played by all.
+ Ability creates some interesting stand-alone combos. Press triangle to pursuit instead of chase and you can strike again. CPU able to recover most instances though, might be used to regain ground.
+ WRECKS mages.
+ Gungnir has bullshit tracking, and totally kills heavy lag/start up attacks.
+ Jump is cancelable at any point.
+ Combos really well.
+ Celestial Shooter and Crash Dive (I think that's the names?) Change altitude while attacking, so you can keep the foe pressured and guessing with vision issues.
+ Far less complex than Lightning, but still equally scary. Great for beginners.
+ EX mode is beast! Capable of canceling just about anything means he can wreck house with the opponent, especially if they're twitchy. Example: Use Jump and cancel right before it hits if you notice your foe is gonna evade it, follow up with Thrust Lance or Gungnir to scare'em.
- Doesn't build assist too well, due to multi-hitting nature.
- In this build, wasn't doing so much damage.
- Due to assist build problems, he can't exploit his heavy combo nature as easily.
- Similar to Cecil, but not as bad, he'll probably have poking problems once they get used to his moveset.
- Lancet will have issues hitting. It's a spawn point type like Flood, so it takes a while to attack.

The rest are here:
http://dissidiaforums.com/showthread.php?p=253075

FlareKnight

2010-11-25, 16:52

Kaisos Erranon

2010-11-25, 18:05

Well still waiting to see which character manage to squeak into this one. But seriously Vaan gets in? Oh well unlikely to see many of the characters I'd like to see in, but hopefully a couple get announced in the end.

Gilgamesh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxllTHj5zRI&feature=related) is basically confirmed at this point due to stuff Nomura said last year.

I'd love to see some more characters from the first three games, given that the most developed characters in the original Dissidia were those who never had personalities in the first place. Too bad that probably won't happen and we'll just get the rest of the FFVII cast and/or Sora.

Von Himmel

2010-11-25, 20:29

Lightning's gameplay looked complex....
Guess I'll try her when it comes out.

FlareKnight

2010-11-25, 22:18

Kaisos Erranon

2010-11-25, 22:38

Well I would personally love to see some more of the FFVI cast get in there.

Who, though? Most of the archetypes and fighting styles in VI are already covered by other characters.

Setzer, maybe?

Jan-Poo

2010-11-26, 03:29

Will there be balance at all among the characters from the various episodes?

There are now three characters from FFIV, three from FVII and only one from FFXI and FFXIII respectively.

I don't quite understand why they should favor one rather than the others.

Kaisos Erranon

2010-11-26, 03:46

Will there be balance at all among the characters from the various episodes?

Nomura says no.

I don't quite understand why they should favor one rather than the others.

Popularity. IV and VII seem to be the most popular games in Japan, though Americans seem to prefer VI, VII, and X.

Jan-Poo

2010-11-26, 05:20

Then why Van? Who the hell cares about Van?

Kaisos Erranon

2010-11-26, 05:33

Then why Van? Who the hell cares about Van?

He's pretty, and XII needs a Cosmos character? :heh: I'm not really sure, I'm just waiting on Gil's announcement.

FlareKnight

2010-11-26, 08:36

Who, though? Most of the archetypes and fighting styles in VI are already covered by other characters.

Setzer, maybe?I really do get the balance and trying not to have too many characters overlapping. Though I put having the characters I like from the series over top of the danger of repetition. After all if a kind of fighter is already covered but I don't care about the character at all I'm probably not going to use him.

In terms of the characters I'd really like from FFVI it'd have to be Locke and/or Celes. Simply my favorites from that game so be nice if I could use even one in this. I figure if Vaan is actually allowed to exist in the game they can afford a bit of repetition with either of them :).

Iron Maw

2010-11-26, 11:34

Gilgamesh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxllTHj5zRI&feature=related) is basically confirmed at this point due to stuff Nomura said last year.

I'd love to see some more characters from the first three games, given that the most developed characters in the original Dissidia were those who never had personalities in the first place. Too bad that probably won't happen and we'll just get the rest of the FFVII cast and/or Sora.

But there isn't really much to draw from in FF I-III and frankly the guys that are already there do well enough to represent their games.

Who, though? Most of the archetypes and fighting styles in VI are already covered by other characters.

Setzer, maybe?

Him, Shadow and Edgar would be great choices in terms of gameplay. If anything I think FFIX or, FFVIII will have more problems with that.

Will there be balance at all among the characters from the various episodes?

There are now three characters from FFIV, three from FVII and only one from FFXI and FFXIII respectively.

I don't quite understand why they should favor one rather than the others.

There suppose to be 4-8 new characters, I imagine every FF aside from the first 3 will get a new member.

As for why this is the case, space issues are likely the primary cause.

He's pretty, and XII needs a Cosmos character? :heh: I'm not really sure, I'm just waiting on Gil's announcement.

He's actually one of the more popular characters in FFXII's cast in Japan.
Go figure.:heh:

Jan-Poo

2010-11-26, 11:35

I second Locke or Celes.

As for the cosmos character for FFXII I'd rather have Ashe, let's face it, 90% of FFXII's story revolves around her, she's the real heroine of the game, almost all the plot hooks are driven by what she needs to do, and Van merely acts as her bodyguard or something.
Meh... they missed a chance to even out the male/female ratio.

Anyway if FFXII needs a cosmos character then FFXI needs a Chaos character.
I suppose the Shadow Lord would be a reasonable choice, but... well... it would be too unoriginal. If they'll introduce a villain from FFXI I hope it will be either Kam'lanaut or Eald'narche

Iron Maw

2010-11-26, 11:46

I second Locke or Celes.

The problem is that they might end up being too similar to Zidane or, Terra. These two can literally do everything the Locke and Celes and can and better.

Meh... they missed a chance to even out the male/female ratio.

There hasn't been a fighting game that has done this, just be happy there are actually more more on the Cosmos side comparing to only two in the first game.

Jan-Poo

2010-11-26, 11:55

I can argue that if avoiding duplicates was their concern then Van wasn't exactly the most original character they could choose. Balthier would have been by far a better choice if that was case.

Iron Maw

2010-11-26, 12:18

I can argue that if avoiding duplicates was their concern then Van wasn't exactly the most original character they could choose. Balthier would have been by far a better choice if that was case.

Oh I agree, Vaan is pretty borderline here, but I rather avoid anymore if we can help it.

Vicious108

2010-11-26, 14:15

Then why Van? Who the hell cares about Van?

Japan.

I can argue that if avoiding duplicates was their concern then Van wasn't exactly the most original character they could choose. Balthier would have been by far a better choice if that was case.

True. Yet I'm kinda glad he wasn't chosen, because then when they inevitably realize they need a freaking gunner in Dissidia already, there's a better chance of it being Laguna. He's a second main character in his own right in FFVIII and his theme song is already in the game anyway, so one can dream!

Kaisos Erranon

2010-11-26, 14:28

But there isn't really much to draw from in FF I-III and frankly the guys that are already there do well enough to represent their games.

You can't tell me you don't want to see a Nomura-designed red mage.

He's actually one of the more popular characters in FFXII's cast in Japan.
Go figure.:heh:

Wait, that actually worked?

I second Locke or Celes.

As good as they are, those roles are already covered by Zidane and WoL... I can't see them overlapping in such a way.

I can argue that if avoiding duplicates was their concern then Van wasn't exactly the most original character they could choose.

Vaan's fighting style is sort of an inverse Firion rather than a copy, who they're rebalancing anyway. As for his personality, well... we already had Bartz, Zidane, and Tidus all in the same game.

True. Yet I'm kinda glad he wasn't chosen, because then when they inevitably realize they need a freaking gunner in Dissidia already, there's a better chance of it being Laguna. He's a second main character in his own right in FFVIII and his theme song is already in the game anyway, so one can dream!

If we do get a new FFVIII character I can almost guarantee it will be Laguna. There isn't anyone else important enough. Besides, Rinoa is already in the game. :heh:

Jan-Poo

2010-11-26, 15:18

Oh please no, not that dumb theory again...

Anyway I wholeheartedly support Laguna as the new FFVIII character, but I fear it will be Rinoa instead... sigh...

Vicious108

2010-11-26, 15:59

If we do get a new FFVIII character I can almost guarantee it will be Laguna. There isn't anyone else important enough. Besides, Rinoa is already in the game. :heh:

I wish, but Seifer was actually considered for the original Dissidia, so I'm afraid he's a step above Laguna as far as possible contenders ago.

As for the Rinoa thing, I can tell it's a joke but I'm afraid it's going right over my head. >_>

But I think Laguna would be also very interesting because then they could explore the Squall and Laguna relationship that was barely touched upon in FFVIII save for a couple of comments from Kiros and Ward at the end. They chose Jehct as the FFX Chaos representative for the same reason: to give his father and son relationship with Tidus more depth.

Jan-Poo

2010-11-26, 16:03

Unfortunately it's not a joke, there's a lot of people that seriously believe that Ultimecia is a Rinoa of the future who for unknown reasons developed a German accent.

Vicious108

2010-11-26, 16:06

Oh that. Yeah it's an interesting theory and one I'm not really against. But seeing as how screwy the whole time travel thing was in FFVIII, I've never thought about it too hard.

FlareKnight

2010-11-26, 19:11

Oh I agree, Vaan is pretty borderline here, but I rather avoid anymore if we can help it.To be fair technically we can't help it since the fans are putting the characters in there :). Really do know it's pretty unlikely and can understand avoiding repeating character types. Though think it's better to just put in characters people like. Fine if the unique fighting style is with an interesting character. Though think it should be about interesting characters first. Of course for this sort of thing choose the character to fight with more based on whether I like the character so clearly not fit for picking who gets in :heh:.

Oh that. Yeah it's an interesting theory and one I'm not really against. But seeing as how screwy the whole time travel thing was in FFVIII, I've never thought about it too hard.Yeah think I read through some crazy detailed theory like that. People have a lot of time to just pull together things that the writers probably never thought about and spin an amazing theory out of it. Didn't try thinking too hard about FFVIII myself either. Just got through the game and see what happens.

Kaisos Erranon

2010-11-26, 21:03

I wish, but Seifer was actually considered for the original Dissidia, so I'm afraid he's a step above Laguna as far as possible contenders ago.

As I recall, Nomura only confirmed that he wanted Kain, Gil, Lightning, and Sazh... Can you find me a source?

They chose Jehct as the FFX Chaos representative for the same reason: to give his father and son relationship with Tidus more depth.

Plus, Seymour has even less relevance to Tidus than Cloud of Darkness does to the Onion Knight.

Oh please no, not that dumb theory again...

Hey now, despite Nomura denying the theory outright, one of Ulty's exclusives in the original Dissidia references it, I believe.

Anyway I wholeheartedly support Laguna as the new FFVIII character, but I fear it will be Rinoa instead... sigh...

Why would it be Rinoa? How are they supposed to make her fighting style interesting?

Vicious108

2010-11-26, 21:33

As I recall, Nomura only confirmed that he wanted Kain, Gil, Lightning, and Sazh... Can you find me a source?

This is what it says in the FF Wikia:

Kain Highwind, Locke Cole, Seifer Almasy, Yuna, Seymour Guado, Prishe, Vaan, Balthier and Lightning were all considered as candidates for Dissidia but were ultimately left out in favor of other characters for a variety of different reasons. The developers initially planned to have five bonus characters in the game - besides Shantotto and Gabranth, Kain Highwind was considered as well. It is not known who the other two characters may have been. Eventually only Shantotto and Gabranth were left in.

Which the source link being:
http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-dissidia/dissidia-final-fantasy-ultimania-translations/1756/chapter-ex-director-section-ii-part-6-interview-with-tetsuya-nomura-p696-699/

And if you consider how three out of the four new characters announced for Dissidia 2 so far were part of those considered for the first game, that list should give us a decent idea of who to expect. Though of course there should still be some surprises like Tifa.

I'm pulling for Yuna, but at the same time I'm afraid they'll go with her FFX-2 self if they do decide to include her, which would make me rage beyond belief.

Plus, Seymour has even less relevance to Tidus than Cloud of Darkness does to the Onion Knight.

Well, he did steal a kiss on his girlfriend, but yeah.

Why would it be Rinoa? How are they supposed to make her fighting style interesting?

Given that the main factor in the selection of new characters is popularity, it's simple why it would be Rinoa. She's the main heroine of her game and she's really hot. She even looks more Asian than all the other FF heroines, so it's likely that she's popular in Japan.

And yeah, her terrible weapon doesn't look like it'd make for a fun fighting style, but it's not like everyone in the first Dissidia was fun to play with anyway. *looks at some of the Chaos guys*

Kaisos Erranon

2010-11-26, 21:55

Locke Cole

Even if we're stuck with Rinoa and Seifer, I think he'd make up for it, even if we already have a thief.

I'd be great to see him voiced; his original personality is kind of indistinct compared to some of the others from his game, so, like Firion, this game might actually expand upon him a little.

Given that the main factor in the selection of new characters is popularity, it's simple why it would be Rinoa. She's the main heroine of her game and she's really hot. She even looks more Asian than all the other FF heroines, so it's likely that she's popular in Japan.

I never got the impression that the majority of the FFVIII cast were that popular, actually. Only the Disciplinary Committee, Squall, and Selphie made it into Kingdom Hearts...

And yeah, her terrible weapon doesn't look like it'd make for a fun fighting style, but it's not like everyone in the first Dissidia was fun to play with anyway. *looks at some of the Chaos guys*

Hey now, the Chaos characters are way more fun to play as than some of the Cosmos members, who can feel samey and thus boring (I'm looking at you, Bartz). :heh:

Jan-Poo

2010-11-27, 05:32

Hey now, despite Nomura denying the theory outright, one of Ulty's exclusives in the original Dissidia references it, I believe.

He denied the theory? I'm amazed... after he confirmed that FFX and FFVII are set in the same universe, despite the fact they are bound to completely different cosmological rules, nothing can surprise me anymore from that man.

Kain Highwind, Locke Cole, Seifer Almasy, Yuna, Seymour Guado, Prishe, Vaan, Balthier and Lightning were all considered as candidates for Dissidia

Prishe?! Prishe?!
I'm glad they chose Tifa instead...

Anyway I think they won't care at all about variety and they'll rather go with popularity, that's what they did so far and popular characters all thrown in the same battlefield is the only good point of this game imho.

Vicious108

2010-11-27, 10:18

I never got the impression that the majority of the FFVIII cast were that popular, actually. Only the Disciplinary Committee, Squall, and Selphie made it into Kingdom Hearts...

I meant popular as far as her own game goes. We were discussing the possibility of FFVIII having another character added and I felt Rinoa has reasons to be more popular than either Seifer or Laguna. And I think the game has a good chance of having a new character, since its characters were actually designed by Nomura himself, unlike FFI-VI and IX. He's never really tried to hide the bias present in his choices, seeing as Kain is apparently his favorite character from the NES/SNES era. This is also why Kingdom Hearts only has one FFVI character, and one is butchered in the game at that.

Hey now, the Chaos characters are way more fun to play as than some of the Cosmos members, who can feel samey and thus boring (I'm looking at you, Bartz). :heh:

Eh, I liked the idea of villains having more intricate play styles that require more strategy than the good guys, but only a few of them actually worked for me. Mainly Emperor, Kuja and Jecht. The rest weren't that fun to play with IMO.

Von Himmel

2010-11-27, 10:33

Eh, I liked the idea of villains having more intricate play styles that require more strategy than the good guys, but only a few of them actually worked for me. Mainly Emperor, Kuja and Jecht. The rest weren't that fun to play with IMO.
Kefka is fun to play against my friend though :D He can't seem to dodge my random attack lol

his is also why Kingdom Hearts only has one FFVI character, and one is butchered in the game at that.
It has a ff 6 character? I never noticed it :heh:

RDF2050

2010-11-27, 13:22

Kefka is fun to play against my friend though :D He can't seem to dodge my random attack lol

It has a ff 6 character? I never noticed it :heh:

I totally hate fighting against kefka: Here is why - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H4mh7mvrms

Vicious108

2010-11-27, 13:23

It has a ff 6 character? I never noticed it :heh:

Yes, Setzer. And no wonder you didn't notice, he was terribly out of character in it.

Kaisos Erranon

2010-11-28, 03:35

Yes, Setzer. And no wonder you didn't notice, he was terribly out of character in it.

Same could be said for Cloud in both Dissidia and Kingdom Hearts. And hell, most of Dissidia's cast.

Dark Wing

2010-12-03, 00:34

Yuno

2010-12-03, 01:41

I will be so happy if they put Gilgamesh in this game. Since he was a favourite of my brother and I growing up.

"Enough expository banter! Now we fight like men, and ladies, and ladies who dress like men... For Gilgamesh, its morphing time!" - Gilgamesh

Kaisos Erranon

2010-12-03, 04:45

Now I don't get this if they say that the number of characters have to be limited because of UMD space why not just take the next step and make this game for the PS3 you'd have all the space on a Blu-Ray Disc.

It'd take them five years to make it. Square has this obsession with making HD games look PRETTY~.

Kyero Fox

2010-12-03, 07:35

Yuno

2010-12-04, 03:58

I made that connection too when Gilgamesh said that. I was like is that a ode to the sentai series? Either way the tune for power rangers is quite catchy.

yezhanquan

2010-12-04, 20:22

It'd take them five years to make it. Square has this obsession with making HD games look PRETTY~.

Not to forget the awesomeness which will cause your PS3 and TV to explode. Just the ultimate forms for Sephiroth, Ex-Death and Ultimicia will do that for me.

kyoyagami911

2010-12-08, 09:25

http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2010/12/08/1012080302221177857273313.jpg

OMG~ and Laguna joins the roster.

Frailty

2010-12-08, 10:09

dammit kyo, I was gonna post that here *rage*

anyway, FVCK YEAH
was expecting Seifer, but this dude's fine :D

Shiroth

2010-12-08, 10:12

Yes Laguna. :D

The world map sounds very interesting. Can't wait to hear more.

Kaisos Erranon

2010-12-08, 10:19

Laguna? Not Seifer? Not Rinoa? You mean a character that's never appeared outside of his own game? A character who isn't annoying?

PRAISE GOD!

Also that world map looks amazing and is that a party system? ...Huh. This game looks more and more wonderful the more I see of it.

kyoyagami911

2010-12-08, 10:21

dammit kyo, I was gonna post that here *rage*

anyway, FVCK YEAH
was expecting Seifer, but this dude's fine :D

I saw it first didn't I? I even showed it to you. Hahaha.

Yes Laguna. :D

The world map sounds very interesting. Can't wait to hear more.

I think the world map will replace the chess board from the first game, and based from the image there will also be parties.

Frailty

2010-12-08, 10:25

I saw it first didn't I? I even showed it to you. Hahaha..

no you didn't
Jami did XD

kyoyagami911

2010-12-08, 10:26

no you didn't
Jami did XD

shhh....

I forgot to give him credit for this~ >_<

I'm too excited.

Frailty

2010-12-08, 10:31

IKR
anyway

well, why not mention our theory about the secret background theme from the last game?

kyoyagami911

2010-12-08, 10:35

IKR
anyway

well, why not mention our theory about the secret background theme from the last game?

why don't you do the honors?

Kaisos Erranon

2010-12-08, 10:36

I think the world map will replace the chess board from the first game

I'm going to miss collecting DP.

Frailty

2010-12-08, 10:39

why don't you do the honors?

it's your idea :eyespin:

Kafriel

2010-12-08, 11:29

World map, nice! Also, Laguna...even better!!
I'm going to miss collecting DP
No reason to play the game if you can't have a challenge of getting battlegen in <10 seconds :heh:

Moonie

2010-12-08, 11:58

OMG! Laguna! *tears of joy*
My hype is back!

Kyero Fox

2010-12-08, 12:36

haha all the girls squeelin over him XD

Vicious108

2010-12-08, 16:23

http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2010/12/08/1012080302221177857273313.jpg

OMG~ and Laguna joins the roster.

THANK YOU NOMURA I WILL NEVER DOUBT OR QUESTION YOU AGAIN!

Now, who's his seiyuu!? Do they say it in that scan? If so, someone translate it pleeeease~

I'm hoping for Tomokazu Seki, personally. That would be awesome.

haha all the girls squeelin over him XD

I'm a guy but I'm squealing harder than all of them. He's just that GAR.

Edge Meltdown

2010-12-08, 16:33

I'm a guy but I'm squealing harder than all of them. He's just that GAR.

someone finally came out of his shell... :heh:

but this is probably one of the best comment I've heard this day lol.

Anyways, I'm still hoping for Locke, Auron, and Beatrice or Garnet to come out.

Von Himmel

2010-12-08, 19:55

I was hoping for more female roster in this game---oh wait, it's Laguna !? I guess it's okay then :D

Btw, what's with the world map and the party system ? If the world is too big, can it really fit into that tiny UMD ? :heh:

kyoyagami911

2010-12-08, 21:11

my friend has just noticed this.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs361.ash2/63974_172286702801553_149979355032288_419866_62734 48_n.jpg

The world map that will be used is from FF I.

brightman

2010-12-08, 21:47

my friend has just noticed this.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs361.ash2/63974_172286702801553_149979355032288_419866_62734 48_n.jpg

The world map that will be used is from FF I.

Dissidia is supposed to be FF1's prequel, so I guess its only natural.

FlareKnight

2010-12-08, 22:27

Well took me a while to remember who Laguna even was, but not a bad addition. Out of anyone in FF8 it's a good call. Not a character high on my hopes list, but not someone I mind them throwing in.

yezhanquan

2010-12-09, 05:54

Dissidia is supposed to be FF1's prequel, so I guess its only natural.

That is one view. And that's for 013.

I personally think that there will be a 014. Just have to wait and see.

-Sho-

2010-12-09, 06:30

We'll have more liberty gameplay , good stuff !

Dark Wing

2010-12-10, 18:48

http://nsm05.casimages.com/img/2010/12/08/1012080302221177857273313.jpg

OMG~ and Laguna joins the roster.

wow now it's official anything is possible in the world of Dissidia...But I'm still hoping for Seifer as a warrior of Chaos...:heh:

Kyero Fox

2010-12-10, 19:26

wow now it's official anything is possible in the world of Dissidia...But I'm still hoping for Seifer as a warrior of Chaos...:heh:

amen there.. brother?

aeriolewinters

2010-12-10, 19:34

Now we need Garnet, badly. I'd like to have her because every FF should have a resident Sarah.

Vicious108

2010-12-11, 04:35

wow now it's official anything is possible in the world of Dissidia...But I'm still hoping for Seifer as a warrior of Chaos...:heh:

Why is anything possible? Laguna is the second main character of FFVIII, a playable character and vital to its storyline. Much more so than Seifer, who had no business being in the game after disc 2. Everything is just as possible as it was before.

And Laguna killed all chances of Seifer making it in. Square won't show favoritism to the point of adding two characters from the same game, and even if they did it'd be for FFVII and not FFVIII.

And I can't see why people would want Seifer in that much anyway. His play style would likely end up being too similar to Squall's and it's not like he was that interesting a character in the first place.

yezhanquan

2010-12-11, 05:15

Also, let's not forget the father-son thingy. Lord knows, 012 might make it official.

Yuno

2010-12-11, 07:00

I'm so very happy they've added Laguna. I really liked his character in the story. He was funny, charming, and a very engaging character. He was one of the more likable characters for me. I would also love it if they shed light on the father-son theory/presumption.

Jan-Poo

2010-12-11, 08:19

Also, let's not forget the father-son thingy. Lord knows, 012 might make it official.

Why? Isn't it official already?

Anyway there isn't probably a character that I would have loved to see in Dissidia more than Laguna! Finally "the man with the machine gun" joins the crowd!!!

So... so far they added a character from different episodes. We have:

Kain - FFIV
Tifa - FFVII
Laguna - FFVIII
Vaan - FFXII
Lightning FFXIII

I wonder if they'll keep with the trend and add one for all the other episodes.
They'll probably skip the first three.
Now I really hope they'll add Gilgamesh. Or Lenna... I'd totally love to see Lenna.

MakubeX2

2010-12-11, 08:28

....No new antagonist yet ?

Anyway, I predict Leon is going to be included. He makes a nice conflicting element to Firion and Cecil.

yezhanquan

2010-12-11, 08:34

Why? Isn't it official already?

The hints were pretty strong, but as far as I know, it wasn't official.

Vicious108

2010-12-11, 10:05

The hints were pretty strong, but as far as I know, it wasn't official.

The hints weren't just strong, they were slapping you in the face. If you talk to Kiros and Ward at the Ragnarok before the end, they say it's a good thing Squall doesn't look like his father and that he has his mother's eyes. It doesn't get anymore obvious than that. It's one of those things, like Shadow and Relm in FFVI, where you just have to think for a second and realize "If it's not supposed to be true, then why would they even put all of this in the game?"

Also, never mind all that. It is official either way, for it was confirmed in the Ultimania.

So in a way, I'm looking forward to see if it'll be touched upon in Dissidia, because the only Squall and Laguna interaction regarding it we got in FFVIII was the latter saying "We have something we need to talk about after this is all over" But seeing as the Laguna in Dissidia is obviously his 27 year old self from the dream sequences, and not the 44 year old President from Squall's time line, then he wouldn't have even conceived Squall then so they probably won't have the slightest idea who the other is. Still, something will come out of it, I hope.

Square went with Jecht for the Chaos representative for FFX instead of Seymour because they felt it was a good opportunity to develop his father-son relationship with Tidus that wasn't as explored as it could have been in their original game. I suspect that part of the reason for Laguna might be the same. Though the main is most likely the potential of a very different fighting style from anything we've seen so far (a Gunner in the middle of all the swords and magic guys, very promising).

I wonder if they'll keep with the trend and add one for all the other episodes.
They'll probably skip the first three.
Now I really hope they'll add Gilgamesh. Or Lenna... I'd totally love to see Lenna.

Considering they still don't have a Chaos counterpart for Shantotto and Lightning, I'd say we won't see an extra non-protagonist/main villain character for all of the other FFs. And yes, the first three should definitely be skipped. If I had to guess, we'll be getting 5 more new entries, making for a total of 10 new characters, the ones left would be:

FFV: Gilgamesh
FFIX: Vivi
FFX: Yuna
FFXI: Shadow Lord
FFXIII: Dysley

Gilgamesh: All of the new entries so far have been for Cosmos, so a new villain is due. Gil was considered for the original Dissidia and is a favorite of Nomura, as well as appearing in more than just FFV and being basically representative of the overall series, much like Chocobos/Moogles/Cid/etc.

Vivi: Black Mage is probably the most iconic class in the series, and Vivi is the Black Mage. He's also immensely popular, maybe more so than FFIX itself.

Yuna: Main heroine of FFX, which revolved almost entirely around her, more so than around Tidus, was considered for the original Dissidia and is the most popular character in the series besides Cloud (source (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27180180)). Square would have to be insane not to include her.

Shadow Lord: Never got far in FFXI, but apparently he's the main villain and Shantotto knows him so it seems natural.

Dysley: FFXIII needs a villain and he's really the only real candidate. Though the wishful thinking in me hopes they'll go with Jecht-like pick, such as Fang, who wasn't a villain but opposed the good guys in a number of occasions due to certain circumstances.

If they decide that FFXI/FFXIII doesn't need a villain though, they'll probably go with Locke for the third FFVI representative, seeing as he too was considered for the original Dissidia.

Kyero Fox

2010-12-11, 11:06

Yuna.. depends if.. they use her X-2 character. cuz face it.. shes only good at summons in X Lulu would be cool too.

Jan-Poo

2010-12-11, 11:12

The problem with Yuna is that I can't really see her fighting in her summoner outfit.

So they'll probably add gunner Yuna or "multiple job changing" Yuna.

Else they could give her the ability to summon various aeons and then you control them in the actual fight. Oh that would be actually very cool... but I doubt it'll happen.

The Shadow Lord in FFXI is the Main enemy of the first story arc, but it's kinda meh as a character since he's heavily stereotyped in his villain outlook. I don't think it is even remotely popular enough to be worth of being added. Plus he isn't really Shantotto's sworn enemy, since it was Zeid from Bastok who defeated him. And the whole operation was devised by an Elvaan of Sand'Oria (as shown in the latest expansion). Windurst really had a minor role in the whole matter. I don't think Shantotto ever met the Shadow Lord directly, but they probably do know each other by name.
Then again Shantotto doesn't really have any sworn enemy, apart from the Yagudo as a whole. And truth to be told she is a sort of villain herself. She happens to be in the hero side by mere chance.

Vicious108

2010-12-11, 11:54

The problem with Yuna is that I can't really see her fighting in her summoner outfit.

Then, no offense, but you lack imagination. I can easily see an interesting fighting style being created for a Summoner character. It's simple, all they have to do is have the summons instantly appear beside Yuna once you press the attack button, executing their respective move (Hell Fire, Diamond Dust, whatever), and then *poof* disappearing away. All happening very quickly. If you've played any of the Naruto fighting games, think how Tayuya and her summoned beasts work. It's not really that hard to conceive if you ask me. Just like how a giant fire meteor ball appears above Jecht in one of his moves, Bahamut could appear above Yuna in one of her moves. And then once his attack is done, he'd instantly vanish as all summons do in the series.

It sounds awesome and should make for a very unique and fun character to use. And if having too many character models for the summons would take up too much UMD space, then all they'd have to do is have her bravery attacks be a simple magic spells, with the summons being accessible through HP attacks only.

Gunner Yuna is not needed at all, especially now that Laguna has been announced. And more importantly, Gunner Yuna is an utter abomination and an insult to everything the original FFX built and stood for. Turning the innocent and naive yet solemn and possessor of an unshakable core of determination FFX Yuna into a walking marketing ploy with bastardization and pandering coming out of her ass was easily the lowest Square has ever sunk, and the less we're reminded of FFX-2 Yuna's existence the better. The real and original Yuna, and the only one that matters, is a Summoner, so that's what Square should and will go with if she's included in Dissidia.

Jan-Poo

2010-12-11, 13:43

What I meant to say is that I can't picture her fighting on her own. What you suggested is similar to the option number 2 I also imagined, however I can't see that happening for the same reasons.

Kaisos Erranon

2010-12-11, 15:55

Then, no offense, but you lack imagination. I can easily see an interesting fighting style being created for a Summoner character. It's simple, all they have to do is have the summons instantly appear beside Yuna once you press the attack button, executing their respective move (Hell Fire, Diamond Dust, whatever), and then *poof* disappearing away.

Sorta like Folklore, then.

yezhanquan

2010-12-11, 18:34

The hints weren't just strong, they were slapping you in the face. If you talk to Kiros and Ward at the Ragnarok before the end, they say it's a good thing Squall doesn't look like his father and that he has his mother's eyes. It doesn't get anymore obvious than that. It's one of those things, like Shadow and Relm in FFVI, where you just have to think for a second and realize "If it's not supposed to be true, then why would they even put all of this in the game?"

Also, never mind all that. It is official either way, for it was confirmed in the Ultimania.

Hence, the "pretty strong" hints I mentioned. Still, neither acted on it in the series itself, so Missed Moment of Awesome?

Vicious108

2010-12-11, 18:46

I suppose, yes. Which is why Laguna being in Dissidia also has plenty of storyline potential.

Laguna: "Ellone never told you what happened to your father..."

Lol, that'd be nice. But like I said it's younger Laguna so he shouldn't even be aware of it himself, but given all the memory hijinks going on in Duodecim, who knows. Even Cloud and Tifa don't remember each other.

yezhanquan

2010-12-11, 18:54

Kafriel

2010-12-12, 06:22

Laguna: "Ellone never told you what happened to your father..."
And don't forget a dramatic Squall VS Laguna beforehand, just to hear the "I'm your father!" line with awesome FF bgm :heh:
given all the memory hijinks going on in Duodecim, who knows. Even Cloud and Tifa don't remember each other.
Seriously, what's the point of killing the character relationships, it's not like this is an FF fanfiction or anything...(no offense to fanfics :)). One of my favourite parts in Dissidia was the fact that the characters already knew each other and acted on those relationships to enact the war (Golbez and Jecht being prime examples).

Vicious108

2010-12-12, 08:40

Laguna: Yo, Squall. How was your father?
Squall: ...I never knew who he was. (Hey, this fellow looks like me.)
Laguna: Oh. Then, don't worry. Since I'm the oldest around, I'll be everyone's dad!
Squall: (What an idiot. But, you got to admit: it isn't half bad to have him around.)

Or maybe...

Laguna: Squall, sorry to say this all of a sudden, but I'm your father. Now we have a lot of catching up to do, so come here with daddy! *hugs Squall and takes him away*
Squall: Hey wait! What the- are you crazy!?
Tidus: ...*glances in jealousy*

Speaking of Laguna, now that I think about it, never mind my previous guess of Tomokazu Seki (though he'd still be great), I've come to realize that Shinichiro Miki would be the perfect voice for him! Man I hope it's him, and that whoever it is, they announce it soon. Laguna is the only character announced for Duodecim that doesn't already have a previously established voice, so I'm really curious.