[Game] [PS3] Umineko no Naku Koro ni ~Rondo of the Witch and Reasoning~ [Archive] - Page 3

zorahk

2010-12-27, 22:07

it's not the end of the world guys:

11,631 copies x 7,980円 = 92,815,380円 = 1,121,098 USD.

their actual profits are obviously less but how much could this game have possibly cost to make...

they probably broke even.

obviously even if the game sold 1,000,000 copies it never would have been released outside japan so who cares.

but its still possible they'll try a chiru port, as said in the interview with the producer who said they were planning that from the beginning.

Jan-Poo

2010-12-27, 22:22

Still they said they hoped to sell 30k, it's very doubtful they'll do chiru if they don't reach at least 2/3 of that.

Kurizu204

2010-12-27, 23:53

11k huh? Even though it is low numbers I'm curious as to how many import copies were sold.

Kuro19

2010-12-28, 05:07

Iromaru

2010-12-28, 08:56

Higurashi PS2 port sold 80k on the first week, but that was the whole VN in one release and it even had a lot of exclusive content. Not to mention that linear VN was changed to include choices and branching plot. It really offered much more than the PC version.

Umineko PS3 port is just the PC version with voice acting, slightly improved art and few CG scenes. It don't really offer much more than the PC version. And it's just half of the story. Besides, who needs 1080p for still images?

I really don't know what Alchemist was hoping for.

KoiYuki

2010-12-28, 12:32

slightly improved art
:eyebrow: ..I think it's more than slight.

Xplosivv

2010-12-28, 12:39

:eyebrow: ..I think it's more than slight.

Hell no, I prefer Ryu's art over this generic stuff.

Still didn't keep me from buying it though.

How long does yesasia usually take, btw?

LROlsson

2010-12-28, 12:44

Hell no, I prefer Ryu's art over this generic stuff.

Still didn't keep me from buying it though.

How long does yesasia usually take, btw?

For me who lives in Sweden, around a week.

Xplosivv

2010-12-28, 13:03

For me who lives in Sweden, around a week.

Seriously? Damn. They shipped on the 17th, still nothing.

Edit; Just realised, Christmas may have slown things.

Bluemail

2010-12-28, 15:18

Honestly, it was really not surprising for Rondo to fall flat like that, and it just makes the possible english localization even harder than it was.

Higurashi was absolutely not the same. IIRC, Higurashi managed to break the 100K, with 80K the very first week.
That just shows how the difference is gigantic.
Maybe I was being too positive (doesn't stop me from trying anyway)... Well most of the fans seemed okay with buying PS3 just for Umineko and I'm surprised how the price would scare them off as their DVD prices are horrible as well. :p

I consider Umineko better than Higurashi (not to say Higurashi isn't wonderful) and it gets much less sales. Is it because of the anime!? DEEEEEEEEN!! :frustrated:

Well the other reasons you mentioned too...

Klashikari

2010-12-28, 15:29

"Most of the fans"? No offense but are you really seriously thinking that more than 50% of those who want rondo are ready to spend $400 dollar just to run it?
Especially that it has nothing to do with buying the anime adaptation DVD anyway (I'm sure the amount of fans willing to buy umineko DVD/BD are vastly a minority, borderline inexistant).

I don't pretend there isn't any, but you are focalising on the mob effect: the most eager fans aren't really representative of the whole fanbase.

As far as it goes, the plateform choice was incredibly poor, and doesn't justify the eyecandy effect.

Bluemail

2010-12-28, 15:46

"Most of the fans"? No offense but are you really seriously thinking that more than 50% of those who want rondo are ready to spend $400 dollar just to run it?

I don't pretend there isn't any, but you are focalising on the mob effect: the most eager fans aren't really representative of the whole fanbase.

As far as it goes, the plateform choice was incredibly poor, and doesn't justify the eyecandy effect.
Oops I didn't take much note on the exaggeration again...

If Alchemist cares enough, they might release a portable version sometime, like Higurashi Kizuna on the DS. If they like to keep up with the trend, Umineko portable would be on Nintendo 3DS. Or "PSP2". I don't know about how PSP is doing in Japan (or actually any part of the world) but what I've heard I don't think they would have chosen PSP as the platform. Though I don't know what use 3D has with visual novels. I agree with the comfort a portable VN has compared to one on a big console, even if it is by the expense of graphics. But it's not like Umineko is known for its graphical value.

I'm not giving up hope on Chiru port or English localization yet, but the odds look even worse than when it started. Nobody could know how much a game would sell before it's released so hopes have been high. Everyone here probably thinks that "Umineko" should sell well, though there are various circumstances as Klashikari explained.

Klashikari

2010-12-28, 16:01

Okay, just to put facts straight: the -best- plateform for VN aside of the now late PS2 is... the psp, and I mean it.
The other only viable options are the Xbox (which has an atrocious position in Japan from the very beginning) and the DS.
Most non PS2 VN port you got nowadays are on the PSP, which isn't surprising because of its usual public and hardware whereas it is much more touchy with the DS (no pun intended) but workable still as shown with Kizuna.
This is also the readon why the interview included right away the question why they've chosen the PS3.

In any case, I don't think they are going to milk the franchise like idiots before they have the confidance they can fare well beforehand. As such, unless the PS3 version(s) is breaking their expectations treshold, they won't make any other port.

And just to be clear: I'm not trying to shut down hope and expectations by any means, but I think it would be much better for everyone's sanity not to going all rabid about this port. It just lead to compelling discussion in a very bad way.
Especially when the vast majority of the fans have no idea what's the ugly side of the VN business (or the whole business around these in fact).

Mcjon01

2010-12-28, 16:24

Ha, well, it seems like it's selling well enough given all the loser flags they tripped. On the other hand, that's still not great in an objective sense... :heh:

Still, I don't care if they don't turn Umineko into some kind of sprawling media empire like they did with Higurashi, so long as they don't change their minds about porting Chiru. That's basically all I want out of this.

zorahk

2010-12-28, 21:00

TJR

2010-12-29, 03:15

you're greatly underestimating how popular the ps3 is, but okay.

Well, it's more a matter of what platform the target audience is interested in. While still small in Japan, the PS3 installed base is larger than the Xbox360's. However, unlike the latter, it has never been popular within the otaku market.

If nearly all otaku content is produced for/marketed toward the PSP or Xbox360 (which are favored by developers for the lower production costs), you're rolling the dice by producing games for the PS3.

Iromaru

2010-12-29, 04:27

you're greatly underestimating how popular the ps3 is, but okay.

It's far less popular than PS2 was back when Higurashi port was released.

Vylen

2010-12-29, 05:01

Well.. if you want to get into numbers and speculative reasoning....

Based on these stats (http://kotaku.com/5691113/what-consoles-japanese-gamers-own-which-ones-they-play)... you can assume some things... If 13.7% of 1,171 polled attendees play a PS3 the most, then, out of the 5million+ consoles sold in Japan, 685k+ consoles receive the most active use.

<1.6% of these active consoles loaded up PS3 Umineko...

Unfortunately, I don't have numbers to compare against Higurashi for example... or more importantly, PC Umineko sales... it would put some things into perspective...

Klashikari

2010-12-29, 07:46

you're greatly underestimating how popular the ps3 is, but okay.
The console popularity has nothing to do here. Its public and development costs are much more relevant.
You really can't expect the majority of the otaku/hikkikomori buying a 30000 yens console whereas you have cheaper consoles with that content with far more suitable content for them.
You just don't see as much VN developped on PS3 than in xbox, PSP or even DS.
It is just like that: the console is really not a PS2 V2 in term of games pool. Choosing the PS3 for a VN port is almost as bad as choosing the wii for that.

Aside of Tears to Tiara, White Album and Umineko, there is basically no major VN on it, and that's normal (there will be few surprise such like catherine, but that's that).

Xplosivv

2010-12-29, 08:31

Hm. Still no delivery from yesasia, and the mail just came in.

When do I start to worry?

Vylen

2010-12-29, 08:35

Start to worry when it's in the middle of January... Christmas/Post-Christmas/New Years are more than likely wreaking havoc on international mail.

Xplosivv

2010-12-29, 08:38

It's weird though, I ordered something from play-asia, and I got it the day before yesterday.

Ah well.

~Ayane~

2010-12-29, 09:06

Hm. Still no delivery from yesasia, and the mail just came in.

When do I start to worry?

they dont use express mail, so it can take up to 3 weeks, right?

Xplosivv

2010-12-29, 09:29

Hm. According to the site, it can take 6 - 12 business days, I'm on day 9 nine now.

Guess I'll wait some more~

~Ayane~

2010-12-29, 10:41

well, i shopped with them only once, and it was about half a year ago, i remember i was waiting for a package more than two weeks, but im not sure if that was from the time they shipped items to the time of arrival, or from the time they received the order (and also, i live in middle Europe)

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on another note, you can add +1 to those 11k+ copies sold guys, since im planning on buying it only somewhere january/february

Xplosivv

2010-12-29, 11:33

Used Can

2010-12-30, 01:43

So, how do I get the secret pic?

clairdelune371

2010-12-30, 22:16

Can somebody please please post a translation to the config options in pg5? Being terrible at kanji that's the one part I'm really stuck at. I don't know what the options are and I don't want to break something by trial and error :|

Are we absolutely sure that there is no way to fast forward on this thing? All I can do to "move fast" is rapidly spam O XD

To some who were talking about the start button skipping chapters: It only does that for the chapters who've unlocked by reading them.

Well haha if I can't find any other way around it I'm gonna leave the game on auto overnight to finish the current chapter so I can move around freely there at least XD

Mcjon01

2010-12-30, 22:49

Heh, there's really not much to break as far as settings are concerned, to be honest. Switching the second to last option to the left releases the restrictions on what you can skip, though. Just so you know. ;)

Fast-forward, chapter-skip, chapter select, it'll all work.

clairdelune371

2010-12-30, 23:05

!!! It worked! Heheheheheeeeee thank you so much, that saved me a lot of waiting! :) I'm not sure what exactly that option is but I don't think I would've figured out that it does that without knowing beforehand..

Shizuka5

2011-01-03, 17:34

I'm really sorry if this has already been asked, I searched through out this topic and haven't find it. Can anyone help me? I'm going to buy a JP copy of Umineko no Naku Koro ni for the PS3, and I wanted to know if there's a patch or txt file with all the conversation translated, maybe the PC version has the same dialogue.

I'm supporting this game over NISA and Aksys forums, and I'd definitely buy it if it gets localized, but I want to support JP sales and buy the game right now. Thanks in advance for any kind of assistance.

immblueversion

2011-01-03, 22:56

Well it was said that a VN (a port even) is lucky to sell even a 10K...
and wasn't a sequel already confirmed?
source (http://www.siliconera.com/2010/12/08/umineko-no-naku-koro-ni-playstation-3-producer-confirms-sequel/)

But the source updated itself and said a sequel isn't planned as it first said!

To be sure, I need someone to translate the following:

赤裸々に聞いてもいいとのことなので、ぶっちゃけて。後編発売予定は当然あると思いますが、その時に前編とのセット商品を出したり、後で追加シナリオ付きの完全版を出しちゃったりする予定はありますか？（圭）

ぶっちゃけ何も考えていませんが、たぶんそのようなことはないと思います。

他の機種への移植予定は？（lain）

現状、予定はありません。

原作が完結していない今のタイミングで、なぜ発売に踏み切ったのでしょうか？　もちろん商業的な理由が主でしょうが、それ以外にもあれば教えていただけますか？　やはりボリューム的に、原作のエピソードのたまり具合がいい段階であると考えられたからでしょうか？（ハル）

この年末までに、まだ『うみねこ』を知らない方へアピールすることにより、PS3版で入った方にも原作完結の盛り上がりに触れてほしかったからです。やはり最後は原作が一番だと思います。

続編の『うみねこのなく頃に散』のコンシューマ版を出す予定はあるのでしょうか？　ヱリカが大好きなので、とても楽しみなのですが……。あと、もし『散』を出すとしたら、ヱリカの声優は誰を希望しますか？（まえけい☆）

予定はあります。声優さんについては、原作・07th Expansionさんの中ですでにイメージがあるような気がします。

Look here (http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/327/327402/index-3.html) for the full thing. I know it didn't make the top 20 by the time it came out, but are the sales really that bad, even though it's said it has sold better than the average visual novel? I'm beginning to fear we may never get a sequel at all...

LyricalAura

2011-01-04, 00:45

But the source corrected itself and said a sequel isn't planned!

To be sure, I need someone to translate the following:

<snip>

Based on just this snippet, I think you have a false alarm there.

--Since I was told it was okay to be direct, I'll just come out and ask. I assume that the release of the second half is already a foregone conclusion, but are there any plans to do things like release it in a set with the first half, or to later release a "complete edition" with the extra scenarios added in? (Kei)

To be honest, we haven't really thought about it, but I think there probably won't be anything like that.

--What about porting it to other platforms? (lain)

We have no such plans at the present time.

--Why did you decide to go forward with the release at this time, when the original work hasn't been concluded yet? I'm sure that business-related reasons were the most important, but could you tell us if there was anything else you took into account? Was it that you thought the collected episodes in the original work had reached a good point after all? (Haru)

Because we're promoting Umineko to people who don't know about it yet, we wanted to make the exciting conclusion available to those who got into it via the PS3 edition by the end of this year. We felt that, in the end, the original work was most important.

--Do you have plans to release the sequel, Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru? I love Erika, so I'm really looking forward to it.... Also, if you are going to release Chiru, who are you hoping to get for Erika's voice actress? (Maeke I☆)

We do have plans. As for voices, I'm under the impression that 07th Expansion already has an idea what they're looking for.

immblueversion

2011-01-04, 00:57

Based on just this snippet, I think you have a false alarm there.

Oh, that's a huge relief. :D I just hope the sales hold out for them to be able to make it... :uhoh:

Mcjon01

2011-01-04, 01:05

But the source updated itself and said a sequel isn't planned as it first said!

That's actually exactly the opposite of what the siliconera article said, so you got worried about nothing. :P

clairdelune371

2011-01-04, 01:51

Shizuka5

2011-01-04, 09:33

The dialogue is exactly the same as the PC game (at least it was in the first episode) so you can follow screen by screen with that if you want.

Thank you very much, but I didn't want to download the PC game and follow dialogues, I wanted to know if there's a txt translated script from the game so I can print and follow from there while playing the PS3 version. Can I do that, and where can I find it?

Klashikari

2011-01-04, 11:42

We never made such kind of script and we certainly won't plan to do so.

clairdelune371

2011-01-04, 11:48

Oops - my apologies! I did check your website and readme for the patch but I couldn't find anything that would oppose it since it is not an illegal download or a pirated copy. Sorry about my misunderstanding, maybe it would also help others with the same idea if you could clarify the policy regarding this somewhere on the website. Thanks for correcting this.

Klashikari

2011-01-04, 11:59

Let me clarify why:
1) To make such kind of script, it would require a lot of work in order to make it standalone sort of. One would actually think they don't need the narration to be altered, but reality is that reading a script like that without the sprites directly on it can be deceiving. For instance, we sometimes made mistakes during the translation process because the visual situation wasn't in front of us as wr work on the script.
Even if you do use the script alongside when you read the PS3 version, it is not really practical with code tidbits everywhere etc.

2) As explained before, the use of the script is solely destined for the PC game. We do not have any actual problem with people using the script for the PS3 version, as its script is arguably the same, slightly modified for obvious reasons (copyright material mention, colorful languages at times etc).
However, allowing the distribution of the script in such fashion actually allows as well people using it -without- any game at hand, which leads to the next issue:

3) Distribution of the script without the game is completely inane. Not only it does impair the actual reading of the story due to the obvious lack of features (namely, visuals and music), but it is also a flat out free copy of the game, however different you may call (it is like making a text only version of a manga and distributing it: not exactly respecting the author rights).
This issue is in line with what 07th Expansion has requested: no distribution of the work without their conscent. And distributing the script alone falls in this category, as it is part of the work.

There is obviously nothing that guarantee that people would follow it (as much as it is doubtful the majority of the fanbase actually bought the doujin game), but as the translation group, it is our wish and duty to safeguard the original author rights as much as we can.

immblueversion

2011-01-04, 12:10

The dialogue is exactly the same as the PC game (at least it was in the first episode) so you can follow screen by screen with that if you want.

I actually noticed some subtle differences that don't really affect much of anything. For example, in the very first scene of the PS3 game, Nanjo says "Kinzo-san..." in the middle of Kinzo's angry rant about refusing to part with any of his things, something that wasn't in the original. That's all I picked up, but I'd kind of assume there'd be similar, subtle additions and changes of dialogue.

clairdelune371

2011-01-04, 13:54

That's right actually, I also noticed some very subtle differences here and there, an extra word that doesn't change much, and so :) Can't imagine why they would do it though. I remember it happening only a few times throughout so I just ignored it hehe... Although of course I didn't follow the entire script word by word so there might be more that I missed. I didn't remember the one you mentioned, for example.

I did wonder why they would bother to make such a small change. The script is essentially unchanged, so why this?

clairdelune371

2011-01-04, 14:13

@Klashikari: Just for the record, I didn't mean to provide a way for people to freely distribute the text of the game as I understand some might attempt to replace that with the game itself. My trying to help was for only people who have the PS3 game and didn't want to be completely clueless as it is uncertain that an English version will ever be released. I do understand the argument that they can just get the PC game instead but if someone only wants to buy the PS3 game I wouldn't question it. At that point I think it is not a question of using the text as a standalone, since it serves only to help the game at hand and I think the codes help in the game because you know exactly which portion of the text is being displayed.. And it is definitely still supporting the author. In any case, I do understand that it may lead to free distribution of the text of the game (however ridiculous that would be, I very much agree on this) so I do not actually oppose your reasoning at all. But just wanted to make that clear! :) I, too, would not want people freely distributing the text, and I support and try to abide by all your rules - it's only fair for so much hard work and dedication. That's why I had mentioned a written clarification, maybe for other people like me who have good intentions but just misinterpret what is written in the readme. Of course I fully accept if this is just my stupidity.

Klashikari

2011-01-04, 14:15

I did not mistake your intention. I wanted it to be clarified before people would ask the question, despite our position has been repeated a lot regarding an extracted public script.

Shizuka5

2011-01-05, 11:16

That's ok though. I guess I'll have to wait if the game gets localized. Thank you for your time.

neutrino

2011-01-08, 02:00

Okay, just to put facts straight: the -best- plateform for VN aside of the now late PS2 is... the psp, and I mean it.

Could Alchemist be waiting for the new version of the PSP to come out, mentioned in this Japan Times (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nc20110105ba.html) article? It also says that [Metal Gear Solid:] Peace Walker was a smash in Japan, but floundered embarrassingly abroad, due largely to the declining interest in Sony's PSP. which might have been another reason for going with PS3.

InfiniteNine

2011-01-14, 01:54

Reading through EP4 right now~! (With my laptop having the Witch-Hunt Translation on while I go through it) Maria's non-conference clothes are pretty damn cute and Goldsmith's awesome face doesn't disappoint. I wish I could download a translation as DLC since that'd be more convenient than this. lol

Yondaime

2011-01-18, 02:14

I captured all the CG images from the game if anyone has any requests :)

Luxuria

2011-01-18, 04:08

May we download it? :)

Vylen

2011-01-18, 04:43

Download it? ... Legally? ... No?

Ace of Dragons

2011-01-18, 08:11

I captured all the CG images from the game if anyone has any requests :)

Rosa Musou, Kyrie vs Levi and Rudolf vs Belphe, any troll faces?

Kirroha

2011-01-18, 08:30

I wanna see more of Shannon and Kanon.

Katsu Koneko

2011-01-18, 08:49

I wanna see more of Shannon and Kanon.

I second this.

Also were there any goat cgs? xD

Yondaime

2011-01-18, 18:53

A downsized sample of my wares :)

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/5742/uminekowallpaper06.jpg

Kishin

2011-01-18, 19:02

:( I wantz it all

Beatoriiche

2011-01-18, 19:04

do you think you could upload them all in a .zip, if that's okay..... *u*

Yondaime

2011-01-18, 19:09

Also, interesting that in the character section of the game, it has a bio for and art of Siesta 556 :3

And another sample :)

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9058/uminekowallpaper12.jpg

KoiYuki

2011-01-19, 04:04

Please upload them. ;3; You're teasing me with these samples.

neutrino

2011-01-19, 10:46

Does anyone know the latest sales figures for the game?

Yondaime

2011-01-20, 01:08

Please upload them. ;3; You're teasing me with these samples.

I had to reconstruct some of the images since some are tall (i.e. the cover art and the ep 1-4 PC game art <3)

I'd rather not just upload them all, but I'd be happy to oblige requests :)

Since your avatar/sig tells me what you like, here's another image just for you ;D

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/416/cg1801.jpg

Vylen

2011-01-20, 01:18

How about images from Ep4 when the group escapes the prison and come across Virgilia and her goat... and triggers all the loser-flags.

Yondaime

2011-01-20, 01:24

How about images from Ep4 when the group escapes the prison and come across Virgilia and her goat... and triggers all the loser-flags.

I'm not sure what specific CG you're looking for, but I'll give you a pic of what you specified (of the non jail cell variety) :)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/666/virgiliagoatbutlers01.png

liberatedliberator

2011-01-20, 02:56

I had to reconstruct some of the images since some are tall (i.e. the cover art and the ep 1-4 PC game art <3)

I'd rather not just upload them all, but I'd be happy to oblige requests :)

Since your avatar/sig tells me what you like, here's another image just for you ;D

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/416/cg1801.jpg

Aw, it'd be great to have them all together, but alas. How many CGs are there exactly? I am not sure even what to request, not sure what there are CGs of. Are there any from the end of EP4? (Ange's sacrifice, the final battle, etc?) Really want to see some not shown yet, though it'd be nice to see a high quality version of Battler and Beato's embrace.

Yondaime

2011-01-20, 03:09

Aw, it'd be great to have them all together, but alas. How many CGs are there exactly? I am not sure even what to request, not sure what there are CGs of. Are there any from the end of EP4? (Ange's sacrifice, the final battle, etc?) Really want to see some not shown yet, though it'd be nice to see a high quality version of Battler and Beato's embrace.

Ange and Battler's embrace, eh? :D

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3994/cg1501.jpg

Battler and Beato embrace pic is in my new avatar :D

liberatedliberator

2011-01-20, 03:12

Ange and Battler's embrace, eh? :D

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3994/cg1501.jpg

Battler and Beato embrace pic is in my new avatar :D
Ah! That works too. :] Some of these are pretty nice. How did you capture the CGs exactly? Did you take them while you played through?

Yondaime

2011-01-20, 03:16

Ah! That works too. :] Some of these are pretty nice. How did you capture the CGs exactly? Did you take them while you played through?

I have an HD capture card, and I unlocked all the CGs (about 50 in all) and you can access them in the Picture Box mode (gallery mode). The resolution they were captured at is 1920x1080.

liberatedliberator

2011-01-20, 03:26

I have an HD capture card, and I unlocked all the CGs (about 50 in all) and you can access them in the Picture Box mode (gallery mode). The resolution they were captured at is 1920x1080.
Ah, I see. Is there any Dragon Kinzo? Or Beato pierced in the air by the blue stakes?

Yondaime

2011-01-20, 03:42

Ah, I see. Is there any Dragon Kinzo? Or Beato pierced in the air by the blue stakes?

Indeed, young sir~

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8739/cg1601.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7865/cg2601.jpg

liberatedliberator

2011-01-20, 04:28

Indeed, young sir~

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8739/cg1601.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7865/cg2601.jpg

Thanks a bunch! That dragon Kinzo looks amazing...

D3monicWolv3s

2011-01-20, 05:14

Also, interesting that in the character section of the game, it has a bio for and art of Siesta 556 :3

And another sample :)

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9058/uminekowallpaper12.jpg

Would love to see the Siesta 556 art. :]

Vylen

2011-01-20, 05:27

How about the art for the 2nd game, 1st twilight - the dead 6 in the chapel.

Kirroha

2011-01-20, 05:42

Any ShannonShield and/or KanonBLADE?

KoiYuki

2011-01-20, 05:54

fgdhjdhfdjhdjhg I love you for that Lambda/Bern one though. And I'd like to second the Siesta 556 art.

Anyone know where I can at least find LQ pics so I can know what CGs there even are? Or a list of some sort? I'm not sure what CGs are actually IN the game, so.. :<

Though I'd like the one with Maria singing at the wall in EP1 please. And EP4 Battler/Beato hug, if that hasn't been posted yet. And.. Ange falling from the skyscaper, and her memory of Battler (that.. reddish colored one). To be specific..
http://umine.co/images/st_ep4_vis.jpg
^ the top two. ;w;

Sorry for asking for so much.

Yondaime

2011-01-20, 11:10

Siesta 556

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5425/siesta55601.png

I'll have to do the other requests after work :)

momobunny

2011-01-20, 11:11

Would love to see the Siesta 556 art. :]

Me too, I'd also like to see as many CG pictures with Lambda in them as I can. ^^;

Siesta 556

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5425/siesta55601.png

I'll have to do the other requests after work :)

Yay Siesta 556! =w=

Sir Andy Richter

2011-01-20, 14:44

How many CG's total, by the way?

CrimsonMoonMist

2011-01-20, 16:07

50, i believe.

Yondaime

2011-01-20, 16:46

immblueversion

2011-01-20, 17:55

Say, when you open the Character TIPS to see them "Executed," what does it look like?

In other words, I would like to see the "Executed" character sprites, and/or CGs featuring dead characters. If there's only one or the other, that's great. If they both exist then, well, that's more work for you.

Joly

2011-01-20, 18:19

Ace of Dragons

2011-01-20, 18:34

Could I request the Ep. 3 fights with Rudolf and Kyrie, the beginning of Ep. 3 with little Beato and Virgilia, and Virgilia and Beato's troll faces at the end of Ep. 3?

Yondaime

2011-01-20, 18:34

Thank you for doing this!

For CGs, could you upload the one with Rosa, Maria, and Sakutaro? And the CG with Ange sitting down and Maria standing next to her. (I think that's how it looked... these are both from EP4)!

Here's one of the two you were asking for, since I have it with me at work :)

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/4444/uminekowallpaper08.jpg

And as for the dead sprites, you can see the sprite and then toggle the dead version where the sprite is shadowed out and there is blood where they were killed and/or holes :heh:

Witch of Uncertainty

2011-01-20, 18:50

Unsure about this, but I read somehwere that maria has a different outfit in this game, when not attending to the conference. If it's true, could you show a picture of that?

sailorsean

2011-01-20, 19:09

Um, can you upload the battle scene in episode 3 with Virgilia vs Beatrice?
Also, the scene in Episode 4 where Maria kills her mother several times.
Also, I'll take anything with the Siestas' and anything regarding Gaap.:D

immblueversion

2011-01-20, 19:12

And as for the dead sprites, you can see the sprite and then toggle the dead version where the sprite is shadowed out and there is blood where they were killed and/or holes :heh:

Then do the "dead person" CGs. I know they're there.

Milfeulle9001

2011-01-20, 19:20

This is getting messy, you should just rip all of the cgs then zip and upload them somewhere.

Kishin

2011-01-20, 21:00

Yea I agree with the zip, however if I gotta request I request moar ange/bern

Yondaime

2011-01-20, 22:43

Here are some of the requests :)

Ange
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2566/shalfsister06.jpg

Beatrice
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5342/beatricethegoldenwitch0.jpg

Bern & Lambda
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5185/bernkastellambdadelta03.jpg

Beatrice vs Virgilia
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6856/cg0601.jpg

Rosa & Maria & Sakutaro
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/613/cg1201.jpg

Maria loving her walls
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7170/cg3001.jpg

Trick or Treat
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/907/cg3101.jpg

I see dead people
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3342/cg3801.jpg

Gaap
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/5108/sfrienddemon04.jpg

Maria - Casual Clothes
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/228/mariaushiromiyacasualou.jpg

Joly

2011-01-20, 22:57

Thank you so much, Yondaime. I'm going to make that Maria staring at the wall my wallpaper now...

Ahhh... Maria's casual clothes is adorable. I wonder if there's a full sprite of that to see the whole design?

Milfeulle9001

2011-01-20, 23:00

Maria's bunny pajamas are so cute~

Vylen

2011-01-21, 00:47

Currently using maria looking at the wall, battler & beatrice embrace, and bern & lambda on bed with candy as wallpaper for my 3 monitors... :3

Reinako

2011-01-21, 01:30

Salutations!

First off: Maria is so cute in casual clothes!

Second: If it's alright, can I request Kinzo's "desireface" that appears in EP4?
Desireface? Trollface? His really scary face...

Either that, or waiting for the possibility of all the CGs being zipped and uploaded is alright too. Thanks! ^^

Yondaime

2011-01-21, 01:58

Reinako

2011-01-21, 02:07

Is this what you're looking for? :)

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5778/kinzoushiromiyaheadofth.jpg

Yes, thanks very much! *Gives cookies* ^^

immblueversion

2011-01-21, 02:37

Give me all the trollfaces you can afford to upload, if you will.

liberatedliberator

2011-01-21, 02:43

Are there any good CGs of EP3? Perhaps EVA-Beatrice and Battler's battle? Anything like that?

Beatoriiche

2011-01-21, 02:55

Yondaime

2011-01-21, 03:02

Sorry if this is too much to ask. But do you think you could post the cg of Battler pointing and making that disgusted face. (I believe it's pictured on the back of the game box) and maybe a better quality shot of this expression

http://i.imgur.com/vF2Hu.png

Thank you~

Here are some more pics :)

Beatrice
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5342/beatricethegoldenwitch0.jpg

Beatrice & Eva Beatrice
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3853/cg0701.jpg

Disgusted Pointing Battler
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/1002/cg5103.jpg

Eva Beatrice
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5858/evabeatricetheblackwitc.jpg

Beatoriiche

2011-01-21, 03:25

thanks you're great~ c:

Katsu Koneko

2011-01-21, 03:47

May I request this cg?

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/289/defaultnl.jpg

Yondaime

2011-01-21, 03:54

May I request this cg?

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/289/defaultnl.jpg

Here you go :)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3156/cg0202.jpg

CrimsonMoonMist

2011-01-21, 06:55

Here are some more pics :)
Disgusted Pointing Battler
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/1002/cg5103.jpg

I laughed.

Kirroha

2011-01-21, 07:25

Shannon with barrier CG please? :)

Joly

2011-01-21, 10:25

I have another request, if it's alright?

But I'm looking for an expression from Sakutaro's sprite.
http://www.umine.co/character/not-human/
It's shown here. The first one in the three circle icons where he's tilting his head slightly and his smile (on the full sprite)? :D

Sheep_

2011-01-21, 12:28

You wouldn't happen to have the secret CG would you?

GAtakito

2011-01-22, 12:21

Would you mind uploading the dead scenes of every EPs ?

Pleeeease!!!!! :)

Witch of Uncertainty

2011-01-22, 13:02

Hmm, I have another requrest, if you don't mind.
In the scene in EP4, where Gaap figh against George, she has an facial expression that looks super troll and is almost never used. I have no picture, so I hope you know what I'm talking about. :p (It's the scene where she said "Tricked you!" or something like that, right before getting him and jessica to kill each other).
Basically, I was wondering whether the PS3 version had a special expression there, too?

Thanks for the other pictures, by the way. They look great. :D

Leo_Otaku

2011-01-23, 13:54

Just started playing it yesterday have no even got the letter yet XD it took about 5 hours already XD SO much better than the anime. I can see why everyone was complaining!I say it is worth it having the voices and better graphics.

Darkpierrot

2011-01-23, 14:35

I beg you please upload them all in a folder!

or how can we do it ourself?

Falsetto

2011-01-23, 15:19

May I request a full-body picture of Eva-Beatrice?
Thank you very much!

Witch of Uncertainty

2011-01-23, 19:22

Baru

2011-01-24, 15:29

...Okay then. I just ordered a copy. I don't know any japanese, but I have played the game twice (and plan to play it simultanesly with the PS3 copy. I am almost positive that a english version will not come, and I love their voicing too much to not listen to. Plus it's 1080p.
I'm really unsure, though. I mean.. I don't know japanese, lol
It should be fine. Just don't get thrown off by the extra reaction lines that weren't in the original.
(i.e. Nanjo going "Kinzo-san..." in the middle of his ranting in the EP1 prologue)

Sheep_

2011-01-24, 15:48

Ace of Dragons

2011-01-24, 18:04

I've played through ep 1-2 so far having the translation going on my laptop. While I have the PS3 port going.

Set the text speed to a ok level on the PS3 port and just hit the auto button saves a lot of time if your trying to hit the spacebar on a laptop while trying to hit the next set of text via controller clicking.

Can I ask what the Ep. 1 tea party was like? How was Bern's "fight, oh~ Mii, Nipah~*" delivery? What voice did Tamura use?

Sheep_

2011-01-24, 18:30

Can I ask what the Ep. 1 tea party was like? How was Bern's "fight, oh~ Mii, Nipah~*" delivery? What voice did Tamura use?

Thing is when I was reading the tea party I was on the look out for it, and I must have missed it or something. Because I didn't hear it and I went back and re-played that part like 4 times just to get that scene ...

Mcjon01

2011-01-24, 19:00

Thing is when I was reading the tea party I was on the look out for it, and I must have missed it or something. Because I didn't hear it and I went back and re-played that part like 4 times just to get that scene ...

That's weird. Are you sure you were looking in the right place? It's the Episode 2 ????, right?

Ace of Dragons

2011-01-24, 19:49

That's weird. Are you sure you were looking in the right place? It's the Episode 2 ????, right?

It was? Oooh....
That explains a few things. Whoops.

Lumy

2011-01-24, 21:39

Can I ask what the Ep. 1 tea party was like? How was Bern's "fight, oh~ Mii, Nipah~*" delivery? What voice did Tamura use?

She used her Rika voice for that part, if I remember correctly.

Milfeulle9001

2011-01-24, 21:47

She used her Rika voice for that part, if I remember correctly.

( ﾟдﾟ)

I need to hear that.

Someone please make a video. （´・ω・｀）

Leo_Otaku

2011-01-24, 22:42

I've played through ep 1-2 so far having the translation going on my laptop. While I have the PS3 port going.

Set the text speed to a ok level on the PS3 port and just hit the auto button saves a lot of time if your trying to hit the spacebar on a laptop while trying to hit the next set of text via controller clicking.

Me and my friend played together while she scrolled I pressed the controller XD We would read out the lines and take turns for characters. So much fun :3

Witch of Uncertainty

2011-01-25, 14:39

Well, then it is officially ordered. Would be lying if I said I wasn't exited!
Hopefull I'll learn some japanese too.. :heh:

liberatedliberator

2011-01-25, 15:12

Yondaime, where hath thou gone to?

fuff

2011-01-26, 22:42

the llink to "Maria loving her walls" isnt working...is there any cg of young ange? or maria in her witch outfit or the rain coat thingie?? and more bern and lambda

y cant u just upload them all......

can someone reupload the maria wall facing one? that would be great...

and is there any jessica and kanon?? cgs???

fuff

2011-01-26, 22:43

( ﾟдﾟ)

I need to hear that.

Someone please make a video. （´・ω・｀）

i agree i wanna see it too

Sherringford

2011-01-26, 22:57

The one thing I need to know about this game is...is there CG for Krauss punching the goat?

InternHertz

2011-01-27, 16:39

Nope, there isn't.

Sherringford

2011-01-27, 18:14

Nope, there isn't.

I guess that answers my question as to whether to buy the game or not.

Ace of Dragons

2011-01-27, 18:58

What sprite does kid Beato get in the beginning of Ep. 3? The manga one or the anime one?

Darkpierrot

2011-01-27, 23:37

Does someone know if someone have ripped the sprites?

Lumy

2011-01-28, 07:20

What sprite does kid Beato get in the beginning of Ep. 3? The manga one or the anime one?

She doesn't have one, same for young Rosa. Seems they didn't add any new sprites which weren't in the original VN, aside from alternative outfits like Maria's.

Too bad I don't have the resources to record from my PS3, there'd be quite a bunch of worthwhile scenes to share with everyone. Itou Miki especially does an awesome job in EP3...

immblueversion

2011-01-28, 10:10

She doesn't have one, same for young Rosa. Seems they didn't add any new sprites which weren't in the original VN, aside from alternative outfits like Maria's.

Understandable, since those scenes are from their perspectives. If they were to port Chiru, they'd probably not give a sprite to Yasu either.

liberatedliberator

2011-01-28, 19:24

She doesn't have one, same for young Rosa. Seems they didn't add any new sprites which weren't in the original VN, aside from alternative outfits like Maria's.

Too bad I don't have the resources to record from my PS3, there'd be quite a bunch of worthwhile scenes to share with everyone. Itou Miki especially does an awesome job in EP3...

That sucks. I wish someone would record some scenes, anyone. I am dying to see so many certain scenes voiced..

KoiYuki

2011-01-28, 19:51

I saw the beginning to the airport scene on Youtube by some Japanese guy who wouldn't shut up.. I hope someone can at least use a video camera someday to get some of the scenes. :heh:

immblueversion

2011-01-28, 22:01

I saw the beginning to the airport scene on Youtube by some Japanese guy who wouldn't shut up.. I hope someone can at least use a video camera someday to get some of the scenes. :heh:

So far, I have seen two separate video playthroughs with incessant Japanese commentary. One consistently takes minutes at a time tweaking things on his computer (or something, since I know it's a PS3 game) rather than playing the game, and doesn't shut up when characters talk. Another primarily talks to read text that isn't spoken, but his additional commentary comes across as less obnoxious, though he posts his videos at a slower pace than the first guy.

Sheep_

2011-01-28, 22:57

Um, if anyone is interested I could stream parts of the PS3 port. I tried doing it before with a group of friends but we got bored rather quickly due to the fact we started at ep 1...

Revelation

2011-01-28, 23:11

Um, if anyone is interested I could stream parts of the PS3 port. I tried doing it before with a group of friends but we got bored rather quickly due to the fact we started at ep 1...

I'm all for that. :cool:

Sheep_

2011-01-28, 23:50

I need to see when I can use the t.v hooked up to the ps3 along with figuring out when no one is downstairs.

Sound tends to bounce off the walls in the living room due to the fact we have a high ceiling so I have to set stuff up in a certain way so I don't wake anyone up ^^;

So if I don't stream this weekend I'll do it next weekend hopefully.

KoiYuki

2011-01-29, 00:31

That'd be amazing. <3

does anyone have pics of the sprites not on umine.co? Like.. Bern, Lambda, Maria (witch), Sakutarou, etc.. fullbodies, I mean. ;v;

Also, I have a question.. What did they do with old Eva? And was there ever a young Ange?

Sheep_

2011-01-29, 00:51

immblueversion

2011-01-29, 01:01

From when I was skipping around to unlock everything I remember they didn't have sprites for Old Eva or Young Ange.

They didn't have sprites for a lot of things just saying, and the CGs only covered a few big parts of each episode.

There was a young Ange in one of the EP4 CGs, but still no sprite, logically until EP8 if they ever get around to it.

Sheep_

2011-01-29, 01:05

There was a young Ange in one of the EP4 CGs, but still no sprite, logically until EP8 if they ever get around to it.

If your talking about the one with the hair ties I didn't really count that ....

Witch of Uncertainty

2011-01-31, 11:30

Got it today.
I am happy.

Witch of Uncertainty

2011-01-31, 12:52

Playing through this is a whole different experience. I'm have my netbook (sp?) on my side, while playing the PS3 version. This is really much easier than I expected.
I'm not far, but Maria was just introduced, and she is just too cute now! I am a usual Maria hater, but when her sprite isn't god-awful to look at, she's not so bad. And listening to her "uuuu" in the VN doesn't sound nearly as retarded as it did in the anime.. or like I made her sound in my head while reading the original..

EDIT: I have some questions, though.
First of all, when I press R2, a ">>" symbol pops up, but I don't really notice anything. What's up with that?
And second; what are the tiny letters written above some words?

theplane2

2011-02-01, 00:05

EDIT: I have some questions, though.
First of all, when I press R2, a ">>" symbol pops up, but I don't really notice anything. What's up with that?
And second; what are the tiny letters written above some words?

I've only played Alchemist's Higurashi port, but in my experience the ">>" symbol is a fast-forward, which only works if you're reading a part of the game you've already played through before (it was useful in Higurashi Matsuri to skip scenes you had already seen when trying to get to a different route).

And those might be furigana. I think they just use them when they introduce names or a particularly uncommon word (instead of all the kanji), or at least that's how it was in Matsuri.

I have yet to play this, though, so I could be wrong :heh: .

InternHertz

2011-02-01, 22:25

You could have been, but you're absolutely right ^^

pyropsy

2011-02-02, 03:24

Are there any Amakusa (/Ange) CGs?

Sheep_

2011-02-02, 16:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0hEiMStML0

Seems like someone ripped the voice files from the game ...
Also the person who posted this is thinking about making a voice patch for the PC copy. Sadly no one has ripped the sprites yet so.

Klashikari

2011-02-02, 16:46

cmos

2011-02-02, 16:53

It's not a fandub. No fan would make a voice acting for different characters in 50000+ files. It sounds not so good because of recording and youtube conversion. Actual files are better.

Lumy

2011-02-02, 17:16

...No matter how many times I listen to them, I can't believe it is indeed from PS3.
Either it is a fandub (unlikely) or the encoding was so messed that it is WAY too grave.

Bern's voice is even more of a giveaway: it isn't a tone that Tamura can do, while Beato nearly sounds like a man.
However, the intonation of the sentences are very close to the original voice actresses, so I'm not surprised that it is probably an issue with the encoding and/or onscripter.

Yeah, the video suffers from quality loss quite badly. I played through the tea party earlier myself, and the PS3 voices sound nothing like this, the pitch here is way lower.

Heh, I wonder if someone will really go through all the trouble of making a full voice patch...

immblueversion

2011-02-02, 19:00

Yeah, the video suffers from quality loss quite badly. I played through the tea party earlier myself, and the PS3 voices sound nothing like this, the pitch here is way lower.

Heh, I wonder if someone will really go through all the trouble of making a full voice patch...

I got my hands on a small handful of audio rips from the scene, and they're just the right pitch. Must be when they upload them to the game that the quality changes.

Sheep_

2011-02-02, 19:02

Ya, if you read the comments they said they screwed up with coding the video

So the voice files are perfectly fine, just the video is well crap.

Judoh

2011-02-02, 22:46

Try adding "&fmt=18" to the youtube url. Sometimes that makes youtube have better sound quality.

Edit: Nope. Not in this case. What the hell did you do to screw up Beato's voice so bad youtube?

Boinciel

2011-02-02, 23:32

It's not Youtube's fault, it's the sample rate of the voice clips. I reckon that the voice files are encoded at 48000kHz due to being on the PS3, then are played back at 44100kHz. This results in the comically lower pitch.

Klashikari

2011-02-03, 08:21

I've allowed the discussion to go that far, but I think it is time to cut it short.
Please do not proceed with any discussion related to any voice/CG/sprite patch, as anything past what was discussed already will obviously lead to warez discussion and whatnot.

Such features are only available for the PS3 game. Having them on the PC version is arguably not what it is supposed to be, and does not support one bit Alchemist.

De3NJ

2011-02-06, 19:51

Um, i sort of did a search for this topic earlier but I wasn't able to find it (easily). Has anyone done a translation of the config menu?

Thanks,
DJ

Shizuka5

2011-02-17, 21:33

This topic can't die. Don't forget:

http://www.aksysgames.com/forums/topic/921/page/43#post-15726

immblueversion

2011-02-17, 22:14

This topic can't die. Don't forget:

http://www.aksysgames.com/forums/topic/921/page/43#post-15726

I see you're quite enthusiast. You also seem to be the kind of person who says all the things I'd usually hesitate to say.

Well, the topic on this forum is primarily to discuss the game in general. But to raise awareness of the localization attempt is hardly a bad idea.

People were also making CG requests, but they seem to have slowed to a halt...

st_nick5

2011-02-28, 16:42

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/feb/28/playstation-3-lg-legal-dispute
Bugger.

immblueversion

2011-02-28, 17:23

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/feb/28/playstation-3-lg-legal-dispute
Bugger.

What does this mean in layman's terms...? :uhoh:

Jan-Poo

2011-03-01, 00:51

I just noticed something interesting while playing, I don't know if that was already reported.

In Ep2 there's always been a controversy about one of Eva's statements: "you are the only grandson to carry father's blood".

In the PS3 version that line has been changed and expanded. Eva now clearly explains that "because Battler removed himself from the register" you (George) are the only grandson to carry father's blood.

I think it's interesting. It means that even in Japan that sentence was the object of many discussions and Ryuukishi must have decided to make it clearer.

AuraTwilight

2011-03-01, 01:18

I totally don't even remember that line, lol holy hell how did I miss that shitstorm?

Leo_Otaku

2011-03-01, 22:34

Well just finished episode 1 the other day XD it took like 20 hours LOL It is really fun to play. It makes so much more sense playing it than watching the anime (also is way for fun). I do wish that they would have showed the bodies is my only gripe. On to ep two XD

kittylyoko

2011-03-02, 07:56

What does this mean in layman's terms...? :uhoh:

It means that PS3 are not being shipped out of Japan or where their made. If it continues the shops will run out of them.
And Sony might get sued for every PS3 they`ve sold.
It shouldn`t have an effect on games. Unless they change their mind and hold games as well. TT,TT

I don`t rember Kinzo`s exact reasoning for why no one was fit to be head.
But Battler`s was along the lines of "he gave up the family name so he is no longer worthy"
I`m going to replay ep one and see what they all are. :3

GAtakito

2011-03-02, 10:13

Enjoy these pics :) :

Lion:
http://i54.tinypic.com/2lo22ht.jpg

Will:
http://i55.tinypic.com/okafc3.jpg

Erinon (?):
http://i54.tinypic.com/2rnzpra.jpg

:heh:

CrimsonMoonMist

2011-03-02, 12:30

Will looks even more bishie than usual.

Shirozaki

2011-03-02, 17:47

Sorry, we need a manly Will.

kittylyoko

2011-03-02, 18:06

And a chubby George :3

Kirroha

2011-03-03, 06:50

Enjoy these pics :) :

Lion:
http://i54.tinypic.com/2lo22ht.jpg

Will:
http://i55.tinypic.com/okafc3.jpg

Erinon (?):
http://i54.tinypic.com/2rnzpra.jpg

:heh:

O: Where did those come from?

Racheya-sama

2011-03-03, 08:54

They just look like fan art to me.

immblueversion

2011-03-03, 11:19

They just look like fan art to me.

Because they are. I mean, "Erinon"?

pampz21

2011-03-03, 11:27

is there already a release of an english version on the PS store?

kittylyoko

2011-03-03, 11:51

Nope other than witchhunt who translated the game which can be got on their website and whoever translated the manga, no Umineko things are out. In english.

Though YenPress might take the manga on at some point. If they do I hope they don`t censor it to much....

immblueversion

2011-03-03, 14:38

kittylyoko

2011-03-03, 15:59

I haven`t seen all their copies of them compared to orignal...
So they didn`t censor it at all?
That makes me happy :3

Kishin

2011-03-03, 23:02

Did a cg .rar pack ever get posted? I've searched on google and can't find more than the ocasional highres cg shot but nothing along the lines of a cg/sprite pack

AuraTwilight

2011-03-04, 01:09

I can't believe someone actually made fanart of my Erinon joke.

Shirozaki

2011-03-04, 01:49

Did a cg .rar pack ever get posted? I've searched on google and can't find more than the ocasional highres cg shot but nothing along the lines of a cg/sprite pack

There was a link to a CG set earlier in this thread (got deleted) and a few others floating around the interwebs, so yeah.

Tsuki Aoi Usagi

2011-04-11, 12:41

immblueversion

2011-04-11, 15:18

So it's pretty much a retelling of EP 1-4?

Gah. That's boring. But I do kind of like the art, only because it has an animation style to it and the characters actually look like they blend/belong in the scene (Although I just the opening).

It IS EP 1-4. With voice acting and more refined artwork. Just actually listening to the melodramatic dialogue is part of what makes it worth it.

Oblivion

2011-04-11, 17:54

It IS EP 1-4. With voice acting and more refined artwork. Just actually listening to the melodramatic dialogue is part of what makes it worth it.

Basically the same as the Higurashi PS2 remake? If they ever did this with Chiru O would go out and buy a PS3 right away lol.

immblueversion

2011-04-11, 22:25

Basically the same as the Higurashi PS2 remake? If they ever did this with Chiru O would go out and buy a PS3 right away lol.

That's what we're counting on.

neutrino

2011-04-17, 22:54

Looking at the amazon.co.jp (http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B1%E3%83%9F%E3%82%B9%E3%8 3%88-%E3%81%86%E3%81%BF%E3%81%AD%E3%81%93%E3%81%AE%E3%8 1%AA%E3%81%8F%E9%A0%83%E3%81%AB-~%E9%AD%94%E5%A5%B3%E3%81%A8%E6%8E%A8%E7%90%86%E3% 81%AE%E8%BC%AA%E8%88%9E%E6%9B%B2~/dp/B0042VIZKU/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1296575452&sr=1-1) rankings, Rondo of the Witch is currently at #12 in PS3 Adventure games, getting at least as high as #4. IIRC, it was in the top 100 of all PS3 games at one point. At least twice, the stock on hand was reduced to only one copy, currently 12. So Chiru getting the a PS3 version isn't out of the question.

Are there any other notable changes from the PC version?

LyricalAura

2011-04-17, 22:57

So Chiru getting the a PS3 version isn't out of the question.

Alchemist already confirmed that they were planning to release a PS3 version of Chiru a while ago.

neutrino

2011-04-19, 06:25

Alchemist already confirmed that they were planning to release a PS3 version of Chiru a while ago.

When did they announce that?

immblueversion

2011-04-19, 15:09

When did they announce that?

Several months ago. It was a Japanese article originally mistranslated saying there weren't plans to make a Chiru port (what they really said was that there are no plans to release it on consoles other than the PS3, or to release a port that has all 8 episodes). Too bad I can't find the article.

I also remember it saying that 07th Expansion already has seiyuu for other Chiru characters in mind should the need arise, but they're keeping them under wraps. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

neutrino

2011-04-19, 20:09

Several months ago. It was a Japanese article originally mistranslated saying there weren't plans to make a Chiru port (what they really said was that there are no plans to release it on consoles other than the PS3, or to release a port that has all 8 episodes). Too bad I can't find the article.

I also remember it saying that 07th Expansion already has seiyuu for other Chiru characters in mind should the need arise, but they're keeping them under wraps. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Did the article actually say Alchemist planned on making a PS3 version of Chiru, or just that if they made one, there were no plans to port it?

Judoh

2011-04-19, 20:16

Did the article actually say Alchemist planned on making a PS3 version of Chiru, or just that if they made one, there were no plans to port it?

If I remember right the article said something along the lines of "of course there's a plan to do Chiru as well, but the 8th episode isn't out yet."

LyricalAura

2011-04-19, 22:34

If I remember right the article said something along the lines of "of course there's a plan to do Chiru as well, but the 8th episode isn't out yet."

Which was the reason they gave for not just bundling all eight episodes together.

immblueversion

2011-04-20, 00:23

Which was the reason they gave for not just bundling all eight episodes together.

I was certain they said that they'd only release Chiru on its own regardless. Of course, that doesn't rule out the possibility.

st_nick5

2011-05-14, 15:46

Just got my hands on a Japanese PS3, now I just gotta wait for amiami to get more copies of this game :P

immblueversion

2011-05-14, 19:07

Just got my hands on a Japanese PS3, now I just gotta wait for amiami to get more copies of this game :P

Couldn't you just have gotten any PS3 from your region...? It's not blocked, last I checked...

st_nick5

2011-05-15, 04:28

Couldn't you just have gotten any PS3 from your region...? It's not blocked, last I checked...

It'll let me play the Higurashi PS2 games as well.

catastrophe8

2011-05-15, 06:15

It'll let me play the Higurashi PS2 games as well.

You found a Backward Compatible PS3!? That must of been expensive, and I mean EXPENNNSIVVEEE

st_nick5

2011-05-15, 06:24

You found a Backward Compatible PS3!? That must of been expensive, and I mean EXPENNNSIVVEEE

It was an old 60GB model. Cost about £105 altogether.

Leo_Otaku

2011-06-18, 00:08

The system was modded then my friend did it for her Wii you can do it yourself now.

Finished episode 2! Wow did Battler sound epic after being eaten XD! I'm loving the voices and art very much I highly recommend this game to any fan ^-^

RedKey

2011-06-18, 03:05

I'd really want to know if Chiru is on the way... What cons does Alchemist usually attend?

immblueversion

2011-06-18, 13:32

I'd really want to know if Chiru is on the way... What cons does Alchemist usually attend?

No clue, but they supposedly do have plans to make one (I can't find the article, though). Just don't expect a release containing all eight episodes.

There IS an English article saying there were no plans, but it was a mistranslation; there are simply no plans for a full eight-episode bundle or a release on anything other than the PS3.

MainCharacter

2011-07-06, 15:10

So, I found something on the Japanese PSN and I was wondering what exactly it was. I don't know ANY Japanese, so I was pretty curious. There are two things on there you can buy and download. One has a picture of Beatrice on it and was added on 3/8/2011. The other has a picture of the island from afar and was added TODAY. You can find them under the new stuff area too.

Anybody got any idea what they are? I'm assuming it's probably something like wallpaper or avatars or whatever. But I was curious.

Mcjon01

2011-07-11, 21:45

Pretty sure they're both custom themes. First one should be a Beatrice theme with a couple shots of her lounging on a couch in a dress and a bikini. Second one should be a theme that cycles through the Rokkenjima outdoor environment backgrounds from the game. And another that cycles through the indoor backgrounds is planned for later in the month.

GAtakito

2011-07-15, 10:18

Happy Birthday Battler!!!!!!!!

That's right, today alchemist has just updated new info (in the PS3 page), talking about the Comiket 80, which will be released this August 12 - 13 - 14.

They will be selling merch. such as wallpapers, pillows/sheet, bags, and so on.

Revelation

2011-07-18, 21:25

Unrelated to the localization, which you should click, ^^^ but has anyone bought any of the PS3 themes for Umineko yet? I really want the outdoor game background transitioning theme, but I'm not sure if its worth it, so I'm just asking for some opinion.

RedKey

2011-07-20, 03:36

I think I speak for everyone when I say this.

FFFFFFFFFFYYYYYYYYYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Quoted For Truth, my friend. Quoted For Truth. This is a good day indeed to be an Umineko fan. Nothing can ruin my day now.
I wonder who will voice Erika, Dlanor & co. Shall we take a guess?

Revelation

2011-07-20, 03:44

I wonder who will voice Erika,...

I wonder if Yukari Tamura will voice Erika also... I can see where it would get a little redundant, but she is technically Bern's double. After also just seeing an example video with her other roles, I think she could pull it off.

Linkin Battler

2011-07-20, 05:16

I wonder if Yukari Tamura will voice Erika also... I can see where it would get a little redundant, but she is technically Bern's double. After also just seeing an example video with her other roles, I think she could pull it off.

Ryu said he already had in mind the voice for Erika, so I think it's not Yukari Tamura...

Kirroha

2011-07-20, 06:47

Perhaps Hirano Aya?

InternHertz

2011-07-20, 08:37

Chiru has been confirmed for release on the PS3 this Winter !

Plus, Umineko is going portable, with the release of two games (probably PS3->PSP port of EP1-4 and 5-8) on PSP in October and November!

edit : saw the info had been in the translation thread after I made the post. Can't hurt if it's here also.

catastrophe8

2011-07-20, 09:00

rogerpepitone

2011-07-20, 11:41

RedKey

2011-07-20, 11:46

What really eats up space are music, backgrounds, and sprites, which are likely to be shared across games. There's also a ton of images used only in music box demo mode; this could be removed by reconstructing them from parts.

Really? At first, I thought the heaviest burden would be the voice sound files (yeah, I kinda took for granted that it would be voiced)

rogerpepitone

2011-07-20, 11:54

Ooh, forgot about the voice files (was looking at the PC version).
Yeah, those won't share.

GyroidFanatic

2011-07-20, 15:11

Quoting/replaying to this from the translation thread:
THIS. MOST CERTAINLY THIS.

People say that PSP is better than the PS3 for visual novels, so it shouldn't be localized? No excuse anymore.

1. Companies don't want to translate something that's been fantranslated already
2. Visual novels still don't sell well here
And the absolute biggest reason:
3. The PSP is literally next to dead in the US.

catastrophe8

2011-07-20, 15:27

Quoting/replaying to this from the translation thread:

1. Companies don't want to translate something that's been fantranslated already

God Eater
Tales of Graces F
Monster Hunter 2G
Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep
and many more

Revelation

2011-07-20, 15:32

God Eater
Tales of Graces F
Monster Hunter 2G
Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep
and many more

Don't forget the Higurashi sound novel. :)

2. Visual novels still don't sell well here

Well, the recent 999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors, was quite successful on the DS. Sure, it had more interactivity, but a VN none the less.

3. The PSP is literally next to dead in the US.
That is true, the release of the Playstion Vita may outdate the PSP and PSP Go as well, but I still like playing mine as well as 17 million others.

immblueversion

2011-07-20, 15:38

Don't forget the Higurashi sound novel. :)

Did I miss something? I thought Higurashi only made it to the PS2 and DS; the only Higurashi-related PSP game I know of is Daybreak.

Revelation

2011-07-20, 15:40

Did I miss something? I thought Higurashi only made it to the PS2 and DS; the only Higurashi-related PSP game I know of is Daybreak.

Oh sorry, I was thinking PC there for some odd reason. :eyespin: I was just thinking of general examples.

catastrophe8

2011-07-20, 15:48

Oh, I didn't know we were focusing on the PSP... then scratch off Tales of Graces F =P

Sheep_

2011-07-20, 16:59

As someone who bought the first PS3 port I can't see my self buying Chiru.

To tell you the truth the voice acting sounded really off for me in the ps3 port compared to the anime and drama cds. Some stuff just sounded way to forced for my liking, I mean I love the idea of Erika and c.o finally being voiced but. I'm not willing to spent $110+ to import something I was disappointed by the first time around.

Now if Chiru is put on the PSP I will rethink my statement because importing PSP titles is cheaper.

Klashikari

2011-07-20, 17:03

Seems like I wasn't the only one feeling the same. The problem in the first game was the direction: for some reason, it almost feel like most "non" main characters were reading/reacting in a dull way, which was more or less worsened by a very poor panel of character sprite expressions. At times, even the PS3 voice acting was duller than the anime, which is quite weird if you ask me.

It seems like only Ougon and drama CD were left unscathered by a weird voice direction.

GyroidFanatic

2011-07-20, 17:55

Most of those translations weren't complete or even released. And I'm talking about more the visual novel scene. No fully fan translated game has been licensed without legalizing the fan patch (as far as I know).

Umineko is too niche of a game that they would have to spend too much time on retranslating, on a dying, piracy-filled console. And it's not even out in Japan yet. By the time they are able to release it, the system will be completely dead; replaced by the Vita.

Revelation

2011-07-20, 23:16

No fully fan translated game has been licensed without legalizing the fan patch (as far as I know).

If you meant 'with' legalizing the fan patch (or illegalizing), then there's one instance I could find, and that was in this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys:_The_Oath_in_Felghana) semi-recent game. Not a VN, but it still counts. It's kind of similar in that they took the PC's fan translation and licensed it for the PSP to cut costs, so there's a small chance it could happen again.

If Aksys ever firmly says no, I think we should turn to XSEED seeing as they did this.
Umineko is too niche of a game that they would have to spend too much time on retranslating, on a dying, piracy-filled console. And it's not even out in Japan yet. By the time they are able to release it, the system will be completely dead; replaced by the Vita.
The PSP Vita could play PSP Go games if this ever came out on both online stores. Also, seeing how Aksys localized 999 with less of a fanbase in NA and on a dead console, the DS instead of the DSi or 3DS, they had successful results.

immblueversion

2011-07-20, 23:43

The PSP Vita could play PSP Go games if this ever came out on both online stores. Also, seeing how Aksys localized 999 with less of a fanbase in NA and on a dead console, the DS instead of the DSi or 3DS, they had successful results.

Games are not released for the DSi, they're released on the DS, which can be played by the DSi. Just like games were never released for the Game Boy Advance SP; they were released for the Game Boy Advance and could be played on the SP. Plus the 3DS wasn't even out at the time; did people even know it was in development? (I can't remember that much.)

Revelation

2011-07-20, 23:46

Games are not released for the DSi, they're released on the DS, which can be played by the DSi. Just like games were never released for the Game Boy Advance SP; they were released for the Game Boy Advance and could be played on the SP. Plus the 3DS wasn't even out at the time; did people even know it was in development? (I can't remember that much.)

My mistake once again. (:nono: I'm on a streak today) I had the thought that there were specific DSi games.

CrimsonMoonMist

2011-07-21, 06:14

Weren't there at least some games with enhanced features when played on the DSi?

catastrophe8

2011-07-21, 09:18

Weren't there at least some games with enhanced features when played on the DSi?

But it's still playable on the DS, so it is considered a DS game

It's classified under the lowest gen console that could play the game

UsagiTenpura

2011-07-21, 12:22

I think even if such a thing is much of the past now, even nowaday the Higurashi PS2 VN would likely sell more then the Umineko PS3 one.
Since that didn't occur I'm really doubtful.
Aksys or Nisa might try to bring them over (especially as a PSN dl, sounds like it'd work more then a physical disk) but I personally rather they port something overly popular that can reach a broader group of viewers, making VN themselves into something popular.

The last thing I want is to have 1 Umineko game ported, then VNs themselves being forever off market in NA because of horrible sales.

Something by Typemoon or maybe Rewrite, imo, sounds like better ideas to port for now.

Randomly tho, I'm not entirely certain of the popularity of games like Neptunia and Agarest (rpg/srpg with heavy VN elements). I'd say unless these's sales surpass expectations it's really in vain to hope anything for VN in NA.

Klashikari

2011-07-21, 14:10

Neptunia was literally slaughtered by the critics while Agarest was on the average.
Both of which are unlikely to represent the VN genre, since they were generally criticized on their gameplay parts, while the text portion was considered as a "silly extra".

Generally speaking, Vn would have much better chance if consoles had more "anime focused" stuff to make the general public more used to this kind of content. Should it occur, then we might see classic VN showing up before even hoping for niche stuff like Umineko.

But considering how things go for the PC VN market on our side, expecting them to work on consoles is a miracle that even Bern wouldn't be able to grant.

TsundereCake

2011-07-21, 14:13

Perhaps Hirano Aya?

I always imagined Dlanor with a Konata-like Hirano voice (but maybe I'm alone on that one).

RedKey

2011-07-21, 14:30

Dlanor with a Konata-like Hirano voice.

We'll need some Anime Tenchou character that goes 'Are wa... Densetsu no Dlanor "A."!!!'
...ok, it was a stupid pun. On another, more serious note, I noticed that in the 4.0 Chiru patch, Meta-characters tips of EP5, the second page for Erika is displayed in Japanese. If I recall correctly, we solved this issue in the Italian patch changing its path in the script from
":a;bmp\r_click\text\cha\ep5_2\eri_12.bmp"
to
":a;bmp\r_click\text\cha\ep5_2\eri_12.png"
I'm sure you'd have figured that out yourself but hey, I'd be happy if I can save you some time :heh:

RedKey

2011-07-21, 14:47

...Wait a minute. I remember reading somewhere that Rondo sales "weren't enough for Alchemist's expectations". But doesn't the fact they're making PSP ports and a Chiru adaptation mean they actually were high enough? I'm puzzled.

Meltyred

2011-07-21, 15:05

Klashikari

2011-07-21, 15:45

Actually, they are probably trying to bank things on it, since they are basically selling nothing much at the moment.
The fact they are making a PSP port is a glaring clue that they are desperate into cashing more with the franchise.

AlexiaCarcera

2011-07-22, 01:33

Umm, I'd suggest you to read the last page. Chiru PS3 wasn't the only game announced, you know.
Official site coming soon: http://www.umine.co/portable/

Ffffff. Yeah, I just noticed. I'm a slowpoke ;_;. Awesome, though!

As far as I know they do not. Only the endgame choice affects the ending per say.
Quiz questions affects "extra scenes" told when you solve them and gives you a different prize after that.
Murder game simply prevents you from progressing until you got it.

Ohhh ok. Good to know, thanks~

Oblivion

2011-07-22, 02:55

We'll need some Anime Tenchou character that goes 'Are wa... Densetsu no Dlanor "A."!!!'
...ok, it was a stupid pun. On another, more serious note, I noticed that in the 4.0 Chiru patch, Meta-characters tips of EP5, the second page for Erika is displayed in Japanese. If I recall correctly, we solved this issue in the Italian patch changing its path in the script from
":a;bmp\r_click\text\cha\ep5_2\eri_12.bmp"
to
":a;bmp\r_click\text\cha\ep5_2\eri_12.png"
I'm sure you'd have figured that out yourself but hey, I'd be happy if I can save you some time :heh:

Sorry for getting off topic again but for me I personally think Minori Chihara fits Dlanor after hearing her voice acting for Nagato from Haruhi. That emotionless voice just seems to fit her. :heh:

catastrophe8

2011-07-22, 10:01

Sorry for getting off topic again but for me I personally think Minori Chihara fits Dlanor after hearing her voice acting for Nagato from Haruhi. That emotionless voice just seems to fit her. :heh:

Well we need her to do the whole "The Great Equalizer is Death" thing in a freaky way...

And it won't feel the same after watching The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya

immblueversion

2011-07-22, 11:11

Sorry for getting off topic again but for me I personally think Minori Chihara fits Dlanor after hearing her voice acting for Nagato from Haruhi. That emotionless voice just seems to fit her. :heh:

Well, I suppose they could, though Minori Chihara is already cast as Sakutaro. I do know for a fact that they reused some voice actors, especially in the anime (Jurota Kosugi played Krauss and Okonogi, Atsuko Tanaka played Kyrie and Kasumi), but those actors were replaced for the PS3 version (Ken Narita as Okonogi, Sumi Shimamoto as Kasumi). I also know that there are at least one or two scenes where Sakutaro and Dlanor appear together, so if they were to use Minori Chihara, she'd have to be super-distinct with her voice, which shouldn't be too difficult, but still...

But as long as we're on the topic of existing voice actors playing new roles, maybe if Sumi Shimamoto were to play Featherine, then it would be kind of awesome because she'd be playing an older, grander witch compared to those played by Sayaka Ohara (Beato) and Kikuko Inoue (Virgilia), who both sort of took after Shimamoto. If not her, something tells me they may use some other prominent, Yamato Nadeshiko-type seiyuu to play her.

catastrophe8

2011-07-22, 12:01

I also know that there are at least one or two scenes where Sakutaro and Dlanor appear together, so if they were to use Minori Chihara, she'd have to be super-distinct with her voice, which shouldn't be too difficult, but still....

If the dude who played Winnie the Pooh and Tigger can do it easily, then it shouldn't be that hard to do a monotone to giddy voice :)

immblueversion

2011-07-22, 14:05

If the dude who played Winnie the Pooh and Tigger can do it easily, then it shouldn't be that hard to do a monotone to giddy voice :)

It isn't out of the question, really. After all, the fighting game did get Rikiya Koyama (Rudolf) and Koji Yusa (Amakusa) to play seagulls.

Klashikari

2011-08-03, 19:32

I guess these tweets will explain Arksys stance regarding Rondo.
-Initial request for new games suggestions (http://twitter.com/#%21/AksysGames_Ben/status/98897532373049344)
-Instant reply regarding umineko (http://twitter.com/#%21/AksysGames_Ben/status/98897758349574144)

Most likely involving suggestion about "buying translation from a group of fans": [1] (http://twitter.com/#%21/AksysGames_Ben/status/98904624341331968) [2] (http://twitter.com/#%21/AksysGames_Ben/status/98904733980438528)

In other words: I believe it is a very bad idea to keep being pushy with them.

Revelation

2011-08-03, 23:25

Well that's definitely unfortunate to read. Pretty expected and a little unexpected at the same time to me, but at least we got some sort of voice regarding their stance instead of waiting 'till the end of time. My pessimism for this game to be brought over is quite deep right now, but I don't think we should give up quite yet. The vague response didn't totally eliminate the possibility sometime in the future with Aksys, and there are many other companies out there... such as Atlus, or maybe XSEED seeing as they used fan translation for one of the games, but I'm not sure how they feel about VN's.

MainCharacter

2011-08-05, 01:47

That could also be a very positive thing. He's pretty much saying "yes, we know a lot of you really want Umineko", which could very well mean they are looking into it or even already working on it. The fact that they said "we know you want Umineko" as opposed to "we aren't interested in Umineko" is pretty encouraging, actually. He only mentioned it because he was asking about new suggestions, and knew that tons of people would suggest Umineko. Umineko is by no means a new suggestion, so it makes sense that he'd mention it. I see no reason to get pessimistic or depressed over this.

As for working with fan translations, that is to be expected. I never thought they would seriously consider that anyway. He was talking about a different game with that anyway too.

Bluemail

2011-08-05, 13:01

He also gave a response to someone requesting 428 that he'd love to do it, but that the amount of text is easily 5 or 6 times what they're usually working with, a lot longer than 999. Umineko probably blows even that out of the water.

It could be solved with Witch Hunt's ready script. He says using fans to translate a game is troublesome, because the people are so separated and the organization would get messy. But it is about a different game, an untranslated one. Maybe they would accept a script that is already fully translated?

He also said that they'd have to pay for the fan translation, and if they had to pay then why not have their own staff do it. I'm under the impression Witch Hunt might be willing give their script for free. Is that right? It does feel a bit wrong if you wouldn't get paid for what is probably the biggest task a localization team has to do, unless their planning an English voice acting as well.

I don't think Aksys buying a ready script would be impossible for them to do. It would save much of their time, even if they have to get an editor go through it too.

Add to that what MainCharacter said, I'm still positive about this. Maybe with the new releases coming, they'll localize it for at least one of the platforms.

Solachinx

2011-08-05, 19:39

Hmm, essentially, he seems to be saying "Yes, we all know that you guys want Umineko and other series I can't remember to be translated. Are there any suggestions outside of those two?" He's not necessarily discounting it, he's just saying he wants a wider selection of suggestions. Then, the company will likely choose based on things like marketability, cost, predicted number of purchases, etc. If they don't translate it, there are always other companies, or there's always the chance that something else will develop somewhere along the road.

Sheep_

2011-08-05, 21:02

He also gave a response to someone requesting 428 that he'd love to do it, but that the amount of text is easily 5 or 6 times what they're usually working with, a lot longer than 999. Umineko probably blows even that out of the water.

Didn't someone have a page count for how long each ep of Umineko was if it was turned in to book form? I mean last time I looked at it each eps was at least 400 pages worth of text.

on another note I would kill to have 428 translated if only to see the Canaan side story translated. Shame that it's a heck of a lot of work to translate it seeing how long the game is.

haguruma

2011-08-05, 21:27

Didn't someone have a page count for how long each ep of Umineko was if it was turned in to book form? I mean last time I looked at it each eps was at least 400 pages worth of text.
Yeah, somebody did and I was searching for it (though the search function on this site sucks)...it was something along the range of Harry Potter, which is I think something about 1 million words.
The average rate for a translation is about $0.10 to $0.15 per word (if you charge per-word rate), so even if you'd discount the company or get them to rip off some pure suckers for translating at a miserable rate (which I myself experienced), you'd still end up with a good maybe 50 grand for all novels combined.

And I don't think it's that easy as just taking a translation that has been done...
I don't know how that works legally, but I wouldn't do it anyway if I was Witch Hunt, because that would be like working for free.
And anyway it would be another thing to discuss with people like Alchemist again, who would need to approve of the translation.

rogerpepitone

2011-08-05, 22:36

I counted up the sizes (Eps 1-7 and the translated parts of Ep 8) as being around 6 megabytes. For scale, War and Peace is about 3.2 megabytes (Project Gutenburg version).

haguruma

2011-08-06, 01:07

I counted up the sizes (Eps 1-7 and the translated parts of Ep 8) as being around 6 megabytes. For scale, War and Peace is about 3.2 megabytes (Project Gutenburg version).
Well, War and Peace has around 580.000 words as it appears. That would make between 700 and 900.000 words for Umineko quite reasonable, though it's of course a question of how which language translates into how many words.

It's like buying a series of about 5-10 normal sized novels without knowing if they'd sell at all. Even if they just started out with releasing Rondo, it'd still be half the amount and therefore too much to take a risk. Though maybe it's a risk worth taking...who knows, people read novels on their Iphones nowadays too :heh:

Maybe they could be convinced to try out releasing the first PSP version. That would just be about 150-200.000 words, which is much more reasonable.