Kimi ni Todoke Second Season

[Shiroth]

Source can be found in the upcoming image. Second season will air in January 2011.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9426/knt2.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/knt2.jpg/)

I for one am so pleased that we'll be seeing a second season of the very successful first season. It turned out to be a very solid adaptation, even adding just a bit more to the overall experience towards the later parts of the series. There's some seriously good material that the second season will cover, so i can't wait.

Praise to those who held out and didn't read the manga after the first season ended. You're in for a treat. :)

[Roloko vi Britannia]

I seriously can't wait for the second season I absolutely loved the first one. Yay more cute sparkles and bubbles moments with Sawako ^_^

[DragoZERO]

I hope there aren't too many shoujo sparkles, but I won't hold my breath.

[Ravenblitz]

nice~ season one is GREAT! great manga to anime adaptation would love to see this again...

i hope i could watch the movie too :(

[GreatTeacherKen]

Really looking forward to this as I love the manga and the first season, and there are some great scenes that I would love to see animated.

As for the movie, I'd like to see it as well since the trailers looked promising, but we'll probably have to wait until it's out on DVD.

[Waven]

Top of my 2011 list.

I thought a second season was mandatory but i'm happy to see it finally coming to life.
If they stay true to the source material like with season 1, we can expect another flawless and truly entertaining adaption.

[MeoTwister5]

I'm picking up the manga again when my exams end. And yes, pending anything else, this is one of my most expected shows for 2011.

[Daniel E.]

Praise to those who held out and didn't read the manga after the first season ended. You're in for a treat. :)

I never got to read it, eventhough I kept saying that I would after the first season ended. :meh:

[Kazuma77]

Yes! I loved it too! I can't wait for the second season! :D

[The Chaos]

hope to see the second season have more than 12 ep :D

[Shiroth]

hope to see the second season have more than 12 ep :D
It'll be a bit difficult to have more then the standard 12/13 episodes, though we shall see.

[DragoZERO]

It'll be a bit difficult to have more then the standard 12/13 episodes, though we shall see.
If it means staying true to the manga, then one cour is fine.

I wish all manga adaptations did one or two cour seasons at a time.

[MisaoFan]

If it means staying true to the manga, then one cour is fine.

I wish all manga adaptations did one or two cour seasons at a time.

Why the fans of well-known titles want to have two seasons even they are not aired ?
Recently, after the last episode of Highschool of the Dead, this have a lack of second season.

[miroku2192]

This has got to be the best news I've heard in a long TIME! I Am SOOOO excited that they're having a second season.

For all you manga readers out there, how much manga material did the first season cover? And judging by how much manga material is out right now, how much do you think we'll cover in the second season? Is the manga coming to a possible closure? Will there need to be an anime only ending?

[mod edit: Manga readers: If you want to answer these questions, please take it to PM/VM or the source thread, as these sorts of spoilers are not permitted in this thread.]

So many questions are racing through my head right now, someone please help relieve mah stressss :)!

[GreatTeacherKen]

The 1st season covers up to chapter 27 (technically the 28th chapter since the first chapter is labeled as chapter 0), and is a very faithful adaptation with almost no changes.

[An4rchy99]

I read the manga a little bit, coz the suspense was too much :heh: This is so nice! I loved this anime...

[Waven]

Given the source material and how much season 1 covered with 25 episodes I really don't see any way how season 2 could work with just 12/13 episodes. People who know the manga will catch my drift.

[Kazuma77]

I really hope that second season would also have 24/25 episodes... its such a sweet Anime :blush:

Can't wait!!!:D

Does anyone think there will be a confession in the second season? ...I really hope so ...iiiiii

[Shiroth]

Promotional cover for the second season. It's pretty beautiful.

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7600/coveryra.th.jpg (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/coveryra.jpg/)

Anime viewers won't recognize one character. :p

[DragoZERO]

I see my favorite girl with cute long hair... I'm happy. :)

[Katapan]

Anime viewers won't recognize one character. :p

... and apparently, he's going to be voiced by Miyano Mamoru.
For once I actually am okay with seeing Miyano's name, I'm not fond of the character so giving him a voice actor I'm not fond of is only logical! >_>;

Pretty amazing picture for the second season, I was immediately reminded of how good the first one looked. Considering that KimiTodo's popularity is currently at an all-time high thanks to the movie, I can't see the budget being drastically cut, and I'm sure we'll get more eyecandy starting this January. :)

[Shiroth]

... and apparently, he's going to be voiced by Miyano Mamoru.
For once I actually am okay with seeing Miyano's name, I'm not fond of the character so giving him a voice actor I'm not fond of is only logical! >_>;
Is this confirmed? Because while i feel the same way about you when it comes to Miyano, i actually do think he's a good fit for Kento.

[Katapan]

Is this confirmed? Because while i feel the same way about you when it comes to Miyano, i actually do think he's a good fit for Kento.

Yeah, the official website (http://www.ntv.co.jp/kiminitodoke/index.html) has been updated with the picture you've just posted, and the "NEWS!!" bit is about the voice actor announcement.

[Shiroth]

Well that's just made my day. :D

[Katapan]

The official website has more news: Tanizawa Tomofumi will return to sing the second season's opening, "Soufuu (爽風)". The ending, "Kimi ni Todoke...", will be performed by the R&B duo MAY'S (http://wiki.jpopstop.com/wiki/MAY%27S).

The second season will start on January 4th. Same timeslot: 24:59, on NTV.

[Shiroth]

I guess we don't need an announcement that S.E.N.S. will be working on the score again. :p

[Waven]

I see my favorite girl with cute long hair... I'm happy. :)

I see Pedro ... I'm happy. ;)

[The Chaos]

Promotional cover for the second season. It's pretty beautiful.

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7600/coveryra.th.jpg (http://img825.imageshack.us/i/coveryra.jpg/)

Anime viewers won't recognize one character. :p
I'm glad I didn't read that part of the manga yet ...2011 come fast please :p

[KanaMinami]

Now this will be more exciting, the first season is just an appetizer but this one is the main course meal I think. Will surely to HIGHLY ANTICIPATE this one.

[Glitter]

I'm really looking forward to the second season of this anime. I really enjoyed the manga and when they announced the anime I was extremely excited. So far it's lived up to my expectations =D

[Field of Lilies]

So starved for news! Fortunately, the ending theme was released recently, so at least we have that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsc-VfLLwSI) to tide us over :) As Katapan mentioned earlier, the song's called "Kimi ni Todoke..." and is performed by MAY'S.

I must say that I like it :) Though the first series' ending theme grew on me -and I like it as a stand alone song- it somehow didn't really click for me as a song fitting this particular series, while this one does (as far as sound goes, I have no idea about the lyrics mind :heh:).

Edit: Whoa, that one got deleted really fast. Let's see if this one (http://dai.ly/ffK1xy) fares any better.
Edit 2: The official blog also just updated to show the cover of the first DVD:
http://i52.tinypic.com/2hp3qx2.jpg

[Shiroth]

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/2338/5089807070708.th.jpg (http://img705.imageshack.us/i/5089807070708.jpg/)

Second season is only a few days away (airs on the 4th)!

[Ravenblitz]

can't wait for that!

http://i.imgur.com/bUs8jl.jpg (http://imgur.com/bUs8j)

[carcanclaw]

I checked out the manga... but I'm not really a fan of the dynamic between the two main characters. Sawako is really cute, but I'm a bit annoyed at how socially perfect Kazehaya is. I feel like the story is pushing Sawako to become "normal" by developing a relationship with someone like Kazehaya.

She seems to be becoming less and less of a unique character as the series continues, like the only way to be happy is to be normal. Given the importance of individuality and alternative lifestyles in America, I'm not so sure how well this story would do overseas (except, of course, with American anime fans who want to date a perfect Japanese guy like Kazehaya, but he seems boring to me).

[Coruja]

I checked out the manga... but I'm not really a fan of the dynamic between the two main characters. Sawako is really cute, but I'm a bit annoyed at how socially perfect Kazehaya is. I feel like the story is pushing Sawako to become "normal" by developing a relationship with someone like Kazehaya.

She seems to be becoming less and less of a unique character as the series continues, like the only way to be happy is to be normal. Given the importance of individuality and alternative lifestyles in America, I'm not so sure how well this story would do overseas (except, of course, with American anime fans who want to date a perfect Japanese guy like Kazehaya, but he seems boring to me).
Hmm... To be honest I don't think Kazehaya is perfect or boring at all... I find him to be quite charming. :p I wish I had my own Kazehaya. :heh: He just happens to be a good guy, while most shoujo lead males have got that "bad boy" coldness about them. Bad boys are overrated anyway (in my opinion), and there must be a reason why Kazehaya is by far the most popular shoujo male right now. ;) I do think American anime fans are into guys like him. Or maybe not, I'm not sure since I am European, but I do frequent some shoujo communities and Kazehaya has got a lot of fans (more than pretty much all the shoujo leads combined). ;) I also remember that Yuu from Marmalade Boy was insanely popular a decade or so ago, and he's the archetype of the "perfect" guy. ;)

[Field of Lilies]

I checked out the manga... but I'm not really a fan of the dynamic between the two main characters.
All I can say to that, is to each their own :) It's a matter of personal taste and I can see why the character dynamic wouldn't appeal to everyone.

However, on the off chance there's someone reading this thread who's unfamiliar with the story, I can't help but feel the need to provide a different view on this:
I feel like the story is pushing Sawako to become "normal" by developing a relationship with someone like Kazehaya. She seems to be becoming less and less of a unique character as the series continues, like the only way to be happy is to be normal.
Because if there is one thing I feel you can't criticize this series off, it's forcing its lead to change to get to her Best End. There is no Beautiful All Along (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeautifulAllAlong), it's Be Yourself (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeYourself) if ever there was. Sawako didn't need to change anything about herself to get Kazehaya to notice and fall for her. Nor did she have to change anything to become friends with Chizu and Ayane. All she needed was the confidence and support to change people's perception of her. And this is something she wanted to change herself, even before meeting Kazehaya.

It's not saying "be a loner and be miserable for your entire life", it's saying "if you're a loner but don't want to be, you can change that. You don't need to change yourself, but you do need to show people the real you".

[carcanclaw]

It's not saying "be a loner and be miserable for your entire life", it's saying "if you're a loner but don't want to be, you can change that. You don't need to change yourself, but you do need to show people the real you".

I guess this is probably the case, I certainly can see it from that perspective. I still feel that Sawako's character has had to abandon some of the weird and creepy aspects that made her so endearing in the first place.

I'm just having issues with how... in awe of Kazehaya she is. There's something about the fact that he's the most popular guy in school, yet still somehow so kind and sweet, that annoys me. I know it's fiction and can't be compared with real life, but I've never found a popular, athletic, handsome guy who wasn't egotistical, vulgar and annoying. Highschool dating taught me that. :heh:

If Kazehaya was less of a superstar at school, and had a few more flaws, I think the manga could really leave a more positive feeling in it's readers. It's one thing for a girl to think a guy is Mr. Perfect, it's another thing for him to actually BE Mr. Perfect and have everyone acknowledge that fact! haha

I've read up to chapter 51 of the manga, by the way. I only watched a bit of the first anime.

[jerkette]

I AM SO looking forward for this season!!! :D And I also expect Kento to blow me away too, just like Kazehaya and Ryu. :D

[Haohmaru]

Isn't this supposed to air today? I still haven't seen a raw anywhere. I can't wait for this to start again.

[Field of Lilies]

I'm just having issues with how... in awe of Kazehaya she is. There's something about the fact that he's the most popular guy in school, yet still somehow so kind and sweet, that annoys me. I know it's fiction and can't be compared with real life, but I've never found a popular, athletic, handsome guy who wasn't egotistical, vulgar and annoying. Highschool dating taught me that. :heh:

If Kazehaya was less of a superstar at school, and had a few more flaws, I think the manga could really leave a more positive feeling in it's readers. It's one thing for a girl to think a guy is Mr. Perfect, it's another thing for him to actually BE Mr. Perfect and have everyone acknowledge that fact! hahaI get where you're coming from, and I think this one comes down to tastes again :) Him being a genuinely nice guy is one of the things that makes the series so appealing to me. Shoujo leads are often popular, but I never get why because they tend to be jerks. I wouldn't mind seeing a couple more flaws myself, but I'm sure that'll be expanded on in his character arc :heh: Shoujo rule #7 dictates he'll get one ;)

I've read up to chapter 51 of the manga, by the way. I only watched a bit of the first anime.You've not missed anything as it's a very faithful adaptation. Except scenery porn. And a lovely background music. And- ok, so some things, but nothing story related :p

@Haohmaru it airs Tuesday night at 1 am, so... 8 more hours?

[Kazuma77]

As the 1st episode will air in few hours, can Moderators move this thread to Current Series section? :)

I cant wait to see the first episode :D

[Shiroth]

can Moderators move this thread to Current Series section? :)
Not until subs are out.

[Revan21]

As it turns out, the first episode is actually Episode.0 and it's a recap of the first season from Kurumi's perspective.
Yep, Aya Hirano is commenting events throughout the episode :D

But it did have some new winter scenes with her walking across town, sometime before Valentine's Days - and writing Sawako's name in her Death Note, multiple times :D :D :D

[karinvampire]

Well I love the new op.

[Shiroth]

I love Kurumi, i love that OP, i love that ED.

Not the firsr episode i was expecting, though still plenty enjoyable.

[Flower]

Not until subs are out.

So that is how it works? (I am sure it is written up somewhere in a FAQ sheet or some such doc that I omitted to read. :upset:)

Fine by me, though. :) I am very much looking forward to this one!

[ZGMF-X10A]

am i the only one that didn't like both the OP and ED? I preferred the old one better. Maybe the songs will sink into my head throughout the series.

[pagan poor]

OMG, the part with Sawako spinning while floating down made me go "HNNNNGGGGG"

[Kismet-chan]

I can't wait to see epi 0 just to hear the new OP and ED. I highly doubt either one will top Kataomoi (I adore that song dearly), but we'll see!

[Funkatron]

Awesome ep even if it didn't have a a lot of Sawako. I'm liking Kurumi more now. Can't wait for the first proper episode.

Oh and Maru-chan in a cape = instant win

[jerkette]

GGAAAAHHH!! Im in seventh heaven. I dont know where I'll be as this series goes on! Wait! Im a little dizzy....

Ok. I love everything about this first episode. The Opening is so delicious. I cant help but repeat it several times.

OMG, the part with Sawako spinning while floating down made me go "HNNNNGGGGG"

^I KNOW, RIGHT! LOL! It's so adorable!!!

[GreatTeacherKen]

I love the new OP and ED and they actually show all the main characters this time.

This is one of the better recap episodes I've seen; I like how it's presented in a more natural way story-wise as memories of Kurumi on a lonely winter night as opposed to a rushed summary of the first season in chronological order. It refreshes the audience's memory of Kurumi's character and also serves as a nice transition to the next story arc.

I also find it amusing how the most humiliating moments (besides a reference to the Pin misunderstanding) like the shoe falling on her head and Kuronuma completely misinterpreting her attempts to manipulate her, of her story arc weren't shown. I guess Kurumi really didn't want to remember those things. :heh:

[Sour-Do]

Best recap episode ever. Very surprising considering that it was told from the perspective of the character you almost loved to hate (due to events in season 1), played by an infamous seiyuu whom nowadays former fans also love to hate.

Great start to what I'm expecting to be an incredible season 2.

[Daniel E.]

am i the only one that didn't like both the OP and ED? I preferred the old one better. Maybe the songs will sink into my head throughout the series.

I did like both the OP and ED, but I too find myself prefering the old ones far more.

Always loved Kurumi during the first season because she is (IMHO) one of the characters that added a lot to the show on the whole. Seeing a recap from her perspective (with a few new scenes along the way), left me with a much better impression than what most recaps usually do.

[Kazuma77]

Loving the recap of the 1st season! Can't wait for new episode!:D

[Sound of Azure]

Loving the new ED so much, and I guess the OP will grow on me over time.

I liked the shift in perspective to Ume for the recap, it really helps illuminate her point of view. Only bad thing is it has me chomping at the bit for episode 1.

Ah well, back to refresh my memory with the manga!:D

[Ultra Violet]

Hnngg!! Finally, it has arrived!

OMG, the part with Sawako spinning while floating down made me go "HNNNNGGGGG"

I wish I could float while spinning like that. Lol.

[Nikkan]

The OP was great. The animation, timing and feeling was just right. The ED was...so-so, but then again, I didn't like Kataomoi the first times I heard it either.

The episode in general was nice and all but maybe not a great choice for a first episode.

[Ultra Violet]

The episode in general was nice and all but maybe not a great choice for a first episode.

It isn't really the first episode. As you notice in one of the first scenes in the anime where they show the title of the episode, it said "Episode 0". So it's like a special.

[Revan21]

Yeah, even MAL lists it as a special episode, apart from the second season.


Very surprising considering that it was told from the perspective of the character you almost loved to hate

Not me, I still like her more than Sawako.
At least she had the courage to confess and it was a breautiful scene too :D

[darktruth]

Edit 2: The official blog also just updated to show the cover of the first DVD:
http://i52.tinypic.com/2hp3qx2.jpg

Will definitely be importing the 2nd season like I did for the first. Looks like they'll be running a mail-in item campaign for a special Kimi Todo pin's stand once you buy all first press editions of each volume, this is for the special set of pins that will come with each volume in the first press. Still glad I managed to get the DVD artbox for season 1 as that was the mail-in item campaign when the DVDs were being released. I hope they also make one for the second season as it'll look out of place next to my boxset of the first season if they don't make one and I will surely be disappointed.

[MeoTwister5]

In my case I'm not that sold on the OP but the ED... wow it just blue me the F away. Fantastic animation, a simple yet lovely song and that shot of both of them back to back ending with the title as the ending lyric completely encapsulates everything I love about the manga.

I have a general dislike for recap episodes, but IG showed how to do it while mixing in character development without feeling like a slide show of past events. Kudos to them. It's a good thing this is the first episode, because it makes it a nice way to start the season.

[LotsOfLaughs]

Oh yush it's finally here. xD

The OP for me was amazing. Especially Sawako floating... it's so darn cute ><
The ED is okay, I might like more in the future episodes.
The special made me feel a bit Nostalgic thought ^^ looking forward to this.

[KaedeF]

I like the ED more, especially the animation.

Kurumi really looks greats in this episode. It seems that the animation quality has improved a lot. Can't wait for next episode, and I want the new guy to appear as soon as possible.

[pagan poor]

As for the episode itself, it was well done for a recap episode, but also seen more from the eyes of Kurumi. Yes, she is the "bad guy" of the show but I looked at this ep from a more sympathetic eye without much of the heated drama from the last series. Kudos to Production IG for starting the show with this.

[Kanon]

Not me, I still like her more than Sawako.
At least she had the courage to confess and it was a breautiful scene too :D

Me too. How I wish she were the main character instead of Sawako... Somehow, I have a feeling this episode will remain my favorite of the season. Sigh.

I'm loving the new OP as well. Can't comment on the ED since I forgot to watch it :heh:

[orion]

A boa constrictor is still a boa constrictor even if you put a cute hat on it.

Kurumi ruined Kazehaya's middle school dating life, interfered with his high school dating life. And now she's going to buy him chocolates despite being turned down. She deserves all the misery that's coming to her for not walking away when she had the chance. No sympathies for her coming from me.

[Itlandm]

Let us rejoice, for Kimi ni Todoke has once again appeared, surely with the support of Heaven, to spread joy and beauty and virtue in a troubled world! Let us tell our friends, that they too may come and feel the true love that radiates from the one and only Kimi no Todoke!

[Revan21]

A boa constrictor is still a boa constrictor even if you put a cute hat on it.

Kurumi ruined Kazehaya's middle school dating life, interfered with his high school dating life. And now she's going to buy him chocolates despite being turned down. She deserves all the misery that's coming to her for not walking away when she had the chance. No sympathies for her coming from me.

That just shows her devotion, how passionate she is about her love :p Of course, she doesn't want to see anyone else date Kazehaya, who would? But
1. she's not confident enough to ask him out
2. she doesn't want to be hated by everyone for dating him.

So it's not exactly a happy situation to be in, at the end she either looses him or her social status.


That's why stalker girls are always more fun. Like (good) tsunderes, it's much harder to sort out their feelings :D

[grey_moon]

Recap from Kurumi's perspective, but I loved it. Sets up S2 perfectly. I think I just had a "crisis" :)

Great op and ed again, art still is wunniful as is the story tell (even if it was a recap)

[Sour-Do]

Not me, I still like her more than Sawako.

I have a general dislike for recap episodes, but IG showed how to do it while mixing in character development without feeling like a slide show of past events.

I haven't read the manga, so I don't know if credit mostly should go to the mangaka or the anime storyboard writers for Kurumi's very enjoyable character development as seen in the anime. It was easy to hate our antagonist in the beginning for what she was doing to our protagonist couple, but even within the first season I found myself feeling more and more mixed about Kurumi. And now with this recap, which is supposed to be how she's really thinking and feeling about the events of her past half year since Sawako came into the picture, I am in eager anticipation of how Kurumi's character will continue to develop in season 2.

Anyhow, I love a story where characters can change and perhaps grow in ways that I didn't expect.

[grey_moon]

Kurumi ruined Kazehaya's middle school dating life, interfered with his high school dating life. And now she's going to buy him chocolates despite being turned down. She deserves all the misery that's coming to her for not walking away when she had the chance. No sympathies for her coming from me.

Actually I respect her a lot more for trying and not giving up. Ume :p as a character is growing, and even if 00 is a recap, it shows how she has grown from her experiences and hopefully is changing for the better. Towards the end of the episode, we don't see her hating Sawako and we don't see her giving up.... All good traits in my eyes and I'm a ardent Sawako x Kazehaya shipper :D

[Shiroth]

I haven't read the manga, so I don't know if credit mostly should go to the mangaka or the anime storyboard writers for Kurumi's very enjoyable character development as seen in the anime.
Everything from the first season was from the manga, including the flashbacks. There's a bit of anime original material inbetween the flashbacks of episode 00, though the basic set-up for Kurumi's character has already been made in the manga material, so the staff are basically adding to it. It's very well done actually, because this episode is a recap and character development at the same time. Plus it's episode 00, so not taking anything away from the announced 13 episodes of the series.

[Dop]

For a 'recap', that was certainly a superior example of how to do it.

Also, it reminded me how much I loved the first season, and confirmed this show as one to watch this season.

[Flower]

am i the only one that didn't like both the OP and ED? I preferred the old one better. Maybe the songs will sink into my head throughout the series.

Well - I did not think they were that bad - but I liked the first season's OP and ED better. For me it would be a hard thing to make S2's OP and ED as good as S1 - anyhoo I think they made a good (and conscious) effort.

A boa constrictor is still a boa constrictor even if you put a cute hat on it.

:heh:

Haven't heard this one in a while! :D

Kurumi ruined Kazehaya's middle school dating life, interfered with his high school dating life. And now she's going to buy him chocolates despite being turned down. She deserves all the misery that's coming to her for not walking away when she had the chance. No sympathies for her coming from me.

Well, I can see where you are coming from I guess - of course in Japan there is nothing wrong with buying chocolates for the person you like whether or no they return your feelings (err ... if I understand their practice correctly).

Although I did not like all of Kurumi's actions I don't know if I would go so far as to "write her name in the book", if you get my meaning. ;) The manga (while ahead of the anime storyline, of course) shows a little more sides and aspects to Kurumi as the story goes on. I must admit that I kind of like her character. Just my take on it though.

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Regarding the episode itself I also thought it was a good recap job. It's interesting how they took the footage from S1 but put slightly different background music to many of the scenes. A little change, but one I appreciated - i.e. instead of just "copying and pasting" they put a little effort into it. :)

I am wondering whether or no KNT S2 will get it's own "sub-section" in the "current anime"section of animesuki, though - like TWGOK and Amagami did, for example. I think there are many different aspects that could be discussed, and would also be interested in different people's opinions on each episode, a 'la "blow by blow" commentary.

Anyone else think this would be a good idea? Or are people "holding off" to see if the series "warrants" such a "special treatment"?

I am, of course, all for it, but "every frog praises his own swamp", as the saying goes, so my being for it should not be a surprise. :D

[germanturkey]

i need more dawwww in my life. this will provide it.

[LotsOfLaughs]

That just shows her devotion, how passionate she is about her love :p Of course, she doesn't want to see anyone else date Kazehaya, who would? But
1. she's not confident enough to ask him out
2. she doesn't want to be hated by everyone for dating him.

Not to mention that there will be girls who'll ruin her love life as well if ever she hints she likes Kazehaya.... ever since that misunderstanding in middle school.

[germanturkey]

man, if Sawako wasn't so adorable, i would totally ship Kurumi. she's such a complex character. if Sawako is representative of the "dream" romance in everyone's life, then Kurumi is the unrequited love we all face. her way of dealing with it is stellar too. i'm excited for this season because it expands on her character a bit.

plus we get a bunch more dawwww moments right off the bat, at least from where the manga left off.

[broken270]

Interesting recollection we have here. At the very least, we get to see Ume and her thought on what has conspired between her, Kazehaya, and Sawako. I find it interesting that she recollects right after someone was having the same problem that she was having at a table not too far away from her. It was an interesting way to start out the anime, with her recollection as she goes out shopping for chocolate one winter night for the coming Valentine's day. It is a good way to help set up the first episode.

[Itlandm]

There is a great difference between love that takes and love that gives. Sawako is always giving respect and admiration to others, even to her rival. When there are many such people, happiness increases. Kurumi, on the other hand, is thinking of what she wants for herself, and has no love for those who cannot - as she believes - give her happiness. What she thinks of as love is actually an attachment, a lack in herself that she hopes Kazehaya will fill.

The message of the first season, as I see it, was: You should make yourself worthy of a good spouse, rather than just desire one. This is an excellent advice for the real world and will increase happiness for all involved.

[Waven]

The one thing that helps Kurumi becoming so likable is that KnT does not have purely antagonistic characters... at all, and many shoujo series have this agenda.

However I don't think a "Kurumi-show" could work on its own. She is this poor, likable character because she is the "rejected side character" but then again she's also really pushy and doesn't flinch from using dirty tricks and deception. As a main girl this would be too much out of genre conventions, especially when looking at the target audience.
Sawako's strong point obviously is that she is special within these conventions.

On a side note, I really had to laugh at the flashback about misunderstandings being resolved by talking to each other :rolleyes:

[MeoTwister5]

A Certain Point of View (http://meotwister5.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/kimi-ni-todoke-s2-ep00-a-certain-point-of-view/)

It’s so easy to dislike Ume and at the same time so easy to be apologetic for her actions. In the end, for me, I don’t see her as atrociously evil character, but her actions and attitudes aren’t exactly that easy to forgive. At the end of the day she was selfish then, and she is selfish even now. She claimed to have liked Kazehaya and yet in her passive aggression almost all but ruined his romantic chances in middle school just so that she could get close to him, and even then she never did. She indirectly chased everyone away for a plan she never enacted.

That in itself is ironic because the person she would lose to is a person who never acted to get Kazehaya as a boyfriend in the first place. Talk about karma.

I am also completely loving the final shot of the ED:

http://meotwister5.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/knt2-1-6.jpg

[Kopi]

IMO, I like the recap. It tells the story from another perspectivewhich in this case Ume's who kind of disappeared somewhere in the second half(?) of season one.. lest we forget that she ever existed.. It also sets up nicely for the valentine's day episode.

Love the OP and ED btw.

[Anh_Minh]

A Certain Point of View (http://meotwister5.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/kimi-ni-todoke-s2-ep00-a-certain-point-of-view/)

It’s so easy to dislike Ume and at the same time so easy to be apologetic for her actions. In the end, for me, I don’t see her as atrociously evil character, but her actions and attitudes aren’t exactly that easy to forgive. At the end of the day she was selfish then, and she is selfish even now.
I'm reminded of Risa from Amagami. Of how so many refused to even acknowledge that what she did was wrong. That annoyed me. Kurumi's different. It helps that things didn't go to plan for her. In the end, I agree with you: she's not all that bad, but she persistently made bad choices.

When you compare her to Sawako... Sawako was ostracized, but her classmates were pretty honest about being scared of her. Kurumi, OTOH, was betrayed. And decided that, if the world was that way, she'd make it work for her. Sawako rose above it.

Does that mean Sawako is a better person? Yes. But you have to figure... Sawako's a goddamn saint. She has an unshakable faith in others. That's why everyone who knows her loves her.

She claimed to have liked Kazehaya and yet in her passive aggression almost all but ruined his romantic chances in middle school
Did she? If you remember, the way she "ruined" his dating life was by sending cute girls to him one after the other. (Why couldn't my dating life have been ruined like that? I could have used it.) And, yes, just as planned, he rejected them all. But is it really her fault he never was interested? It's not like she lied to either him or them.

You also have to wonder how much of an obstacle she ever made of herself. She tried her best against Sawako, for obvious reasons, and in the end... her best didn't amount to all that much. Oh, it was very bad of her, I don't deny that. What I'm saying is, it barely slowed down Kazehaya. Sawako's lack of self-esteem was and is a much larger wall to overcome. So if he was dateless in middle school, it's because he let himself be that way.

just so that she could get close to him,[ and even then she never did. She indirectly chased everyone away for a plan she never enacted.
But she did. It just was a really slow plan. When Sawako appeared, she was on the verge of moving on to the next phase, too. Or maybe she was just kidding herself - we'll never know.

[Kismet-chan]

A nice recap episode. Gives a decent refresher without being annoying, repetitive, or long-winded. Having it be from Kurumi's perspective definitely helped to make it more interesting as well. Not to mention the smooth setup for the following episode. I like the OP a LOT more than the first season's OP (even though that song grew on me over time), and the ED is beautiful, vocally and music-wise. I love how they worked the title into the lyrics, too.

Can't wait for the next episode. My most favorite anime of the year is back in business! Hooray for the comeback of KnT!

[Stefkov]

I thought the recap from Kurumi's perspective was nice and different, although I would have much preferred a recap of everything that had happened because it's been a while since I watched the first season or read the manga.

I can't wait for it to pick up next week. I need my dose of bubbly pure romance that doesn't include harems, tsunderes and/or fan-service every 2 scenes.

[HayashiTakara]

Personally, the first episode was terrible for me... I hate recap episodes with a vengence. I skip them whenever possible.

[Shiroth]

I need my dose of bubbly pure romance that doesn't include harems, tsunderes and/or fan-service every 2 scenes.
So why not read shoujo manga? (if you already don't that is). You can find lots of pure romance titles out here to read, finished and currently still going.

[Stefkov]

So why not read shoujo manga? (if you already don't that is). You can find lots of pure romance titles out here to read, finished and currently still going.
I'd love some recommendations. If you could PM me some that'd be great, I just don't know where to start. It's the same for my manga reading as a whole, I've only been reading manga that I've already seen the anime of.

[Waven]

You can get fed up with shoujo archetypes and cliches as much as you probably did with shounen ones :p
KnT has some of those as well, they're just not that bothersome due to the rest being well constructed around them as well as some fresh additions to the genre.

[Vexx]

I thought the recap from Kurumi's perspective was nice and different, although I would have much preferred a recap of everything that had happened because it's been a while since I watched the first season or read the manga.

I can't wait for it to pick up next week. I need my dose of bubbly pure romance that doesn't include harems, tsunderes and/or fan-service every 2 scenes.
It is definitely a Good Idea to mix it up with multiple genre. For example, I tend to hunt up the works of female authors lately because, on average, they seem to do a better job of portraying how people actually think and behave in relationships. It doesn't matter whether they're writing seinen, shoujo, or shounen - I just seem to get more hits than losses with them.

That's probably because they have to work harder to get any attention from publishers at all.

Now on the downside, I spend a fair amount of time wanting to strangle our heroine because she's *SO* low on self-esteem, but that's part of the story. :)

[MYVJunki]

Just watched episode two. The Valentines Day scene always kills me. That's what I love about this series though. They don't make it super happy go lucky but they make the characters seem so real and human. It really pulls at my heartstrings, and I think that's what makes this anime and manga great. It really relates to people at quite a personal level.

[Shiroth]

Just watched episode two.
It's episode 1. The recap was episode 0.

[Kismet-chan]

That's what I love about this series though. They don't make it super happy go lucky but they make the characters seem so real and human. It really pulls at my heartstrings, and I think that's what makes this anime and manga great. It really relates to people at quite a personal level.

I definitely agree with all of this. It's actually the very reason why I tend to be very critical about anime (to a degree; I've watched and enjoyed anime that deep down I knew were crap XD). I try to look for anime shows that fulfill all or most of those requirements, and then those are mostly the ones I watch.

I personally consider KnT the best anime of last year, because it accomplished all of that, and did it well.

[MYVJunki]

It's episode 1. The recap was episode 0.

My bad. I just meant I watched 2nd episode.

[miroku2192]

Oh Mai Goodness, this first episode made meh soooo sad at the end. I should've seen it coming...hnnnnnnnng

And ume really makes me want to rage @ her right now for what she did...but in a way, she did help in making sawako be more aware of her true feelings I guess (is how one should look at it)

[Guardian Enzo]

So after two seasons we finally get some dirt on Mr. Perfect - and it's that he used to wet the bed as a six year-old?

What a letdown... :heh:

[Leo_Otaku]

AHHHH I so wanted her to give them >.<

[germanturkey]

pin always threatens to tell people stuff. there was some of it in the first half too. also, a new challenger appears! This means we finally get the wheels turning!

anyways, like with this series, we ALWAYS get those "almost" moments. it hurts so badly to watch it, because who hasn't experienced it once or twice in their lives?

[vaden]

Oh, wow, what a bleak way to start off the new season... this episode felt a lot lonelier than I remember Kimi ni Todoke being, seeing how much distance it seemed to put between Sawako and Kazehaya. And all the snow on top of that, too. :(

I wasn't expecting Kazehaya to react the way he did to Pin's threats, though... so he wet the bed once. I'm sure everyone knows young children do that. Doesn't seem like a lot of leverage to me.

[windseer]

Wow the ending for ep 1 was very unexpected for me.

I felt kind of sad for Kazehaya he was expecting chocolate from Sawako the whole day. I'll be heartbroken in that situation too. As for Sawako I was expecting her to give the chocolates and end the episode happily. I was like D: when she stuffed them in her bag. Looks like Ume finally got Sawako this time even tho it was a tease and she probably didn't mean it.

[Kazuma77]

Damn you Sawako.... you should give him the chocolates!!:upset::D

[MeoTwister5]

Pin is the king of cockblocking.

Comments and blog post later.

[ahelo]

Sawako :( She almost gave it but that damn b*tch again. She should die by a pitchfork. EPIC PHAIL KURUMI.

As the episode itself, it brings back the totally awesome romance of Kimi ni Todoke. I thought she could have at least given the chocolates.. I mean they already went for a date. Arrgh. The slowness is the show's appeal though. Also the snail pace relationship of Sawako and Kazehaya.

[Daniel E.]

Sawako :( She almost gave it but that damn b*tch again. She should die by a pitchfork. EPIC PHAIL KURUMI.

This is a situation Sawako brought upon herself. She had plenty of chances to hand over the chocolates but failed to do so because of her lack of confidence.

Sawako was also lying to herself by saying that the chocolates were a simply "thank you" to Kazehaya and it was Kurumi's jab at the end that help her realize this. In a way, one could even speculate that Kurumi waited till the end of the day to give Sawako a chance to hand her chocolates first.

In the end, I actually saw this scene as a test of sorts that Kurumi is putting for Sawako.

[sunwen]

I like evil Kurumi.

[Kanon]

Aaaah~ this is the chapter that made me start to dislike Sawako.

This is a situation Sawako brought upon herself. She had plenty of chances to hand over the chocolates but failed to do so because of her lack of confidence.

Exactly. Kurumi isn't to blame for Sawako's social retardation. She was even considerate enough to wait until school was over and no one else was around (or so she thought) to hand over her chocolates to Kazehaya.

The one I feel really sorry for is Kazehaya. Everyone else, even freaking Pin, received chocolate from Sawako. That must hurt.

[darktruth]

Is it me or does Ryuu sleep in every single class?

[Kanon]

Is it me or does Ryuu sleep in every single class?

It's not you. He only wakes up when he's hungry. He doesn't give a fuck about school, his life is all about baseball and Chizuru. Best character in the series.

[MeoTwister5]

It's not you. He only wakes up when he's hungry. He doesn't give a fuck about school, his life is all about baseball and Chizuru. Best character in the series.

Yeah you keep telling yourself that. :heh:

[darktruth]

Well, I went ahead and pre-ordered the 1st volume DVD of the 2nd season just now. Just love this series so much that I'm probably gonna pre-order each volume several months in advance when they get listed (Sawako's beauty is too adorable lol, especially when she makes those funny faces!). Definitely gonna try and get the pin stand display that will be available through mail-in campaign.

[MeoTwister5]

Will You Be My Valentine? (http://meotwister5.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/kimi-ni-todoke-pilot-episode-will-you-be-my-valentine/)

Sawako certainly has grown a lot since the last time she was animated on-screen, but her self-confidence issues still manifest themselves from time to time. It cannot be denied though that she’s shown a lot of spine and courage as the first season winded down, and I suspect that for this episode, it stems from things much more than the lack of self-confidence but also her abject lack of social skills. For a story about someone who’s experiencing a lot of things for the first time in her life, these Valentine things are part of that list.

The biggest part of course would be with Shota. It’s pretty obvious that this is the first time she ends up wanting to give something special to someone equally as special, yet at the same time she has to handle feelings she’s never experienced. Furthermore is Shota’s reputation for turning down lots of girls and not really accepting any romantic approaches. It’s easy for us viewers and their friends to say that he’s being so obvious with his feelings for the world to see, but for Sawako she simply cannot pick up on the signs she really has no idea of. Part of season one, and yes of the early parts of the manga, was Sawako trying to figure out things she has never felt or experienced before. This growing feeling in her heart is no exception.

Watching this episode, I think it really confirmed my initial impression in the manga that a big part of her reluctance to give him the chocolate isn’t just because she can’t figure out what to do with these feelings, but because of Ume’s words that “he doesn’t accept that kind of chocolate”. She does, perhaps, have this belief that she doesn’t know the exact reason why she’s giving him chocolate, and doesn’t want to alienate Shota by giving him that kind of chocolate when she herself is unsure of her own reasons. Again, it’s so easy to say that she should give them because he will accept them, but we aren’t Sawako. She doesn’t know what he feels because she’s incapable of picking up on his cues. She doesn’t necessarily avoid giving him the chocolate just because she’s afraid, but because she thinks it is the right thing to do.

[Waven]

What's all this commotion about Sawako not giving the chocolate to him? She realized that giving it to him would be like a confession and she's too honest with him as well as with herself as to pretend they are just as a thanks.

Tbh I expect everyone that watched season 1 to know Sawako good enough as to see that she's not ready for a confession yet. In fact neither of the them is, both are still extremely insecure as to what the other feels for them. You shouldn't mix up what you know as an observer with what the characters can know at this point.
It'd be a shame if you guys all of a sudden became impatient with the pace.

edit: Seeing that Meotwister picked up some of the same key aspects I fully agree with his post ;)

[karinvampire]

Great episode,I already read past this in the manga but it's great to see everything animated again.

[ZGMF-X10A]

This is a situation Sawako brought upon herself. She had plenty of chances to hand over the chocolates but failed to do so because of her lack of confidence.

Sawako was also lying to herself by saying that the chocolates were a simply "thank you" to Kazehaya and it was Kurumi's jab at the end that help her realize this. In a way, one could even speculate that Kurumi waited till the end of the day to give Sawako a chance to hand her chocolates first.

In the end, I actually saw this scene as a test of sorts that Kurumi is putting for Sawako.

I agree, it really isn't Ume's fault. Sadako didn't have enough confidence to give Kazehaya the chocolates until the end. Ume was just there to give that extra push at the end to make Sadako rethink her decission.

I'm starting to like both the OP and ED now. Still think the first season's OP and ED are better though.

[Shiroth]

I counted five new S.E.N.S pieces. I'm pleased with that.

Kurumi's scene was the best part of the episode, and Miyano fits Kento perfectly. Good start!

[Midnight Bliss]

Sawako had so many chances to give the chocolates to Kazehaya, I feel so bad for him. That must be such a huge slap in the face to see that everyone else got chocolates except for him, and he thought he was one of the most important people to her, it's only natural after everything that's happened between them. Wtf, Sawako. I mean, I do understand she's still socially awkward and has troubles gathering her courage, but damn man, the chances were right in her face, and she wasted time doing all these monologues when she could've given the chocolates to him, because the chocolates meant so much to both of them.
I don't dislike her exactly but sometimes she makes me rage. Ffff. Well, she can't regret it, because like said before, she brought it upon herself.
I'm in the minority with Kurumi > Sawako. Even if it's not the best way, she's always trying to push Sawako onwards, but to me. Sawako just doesn't budge.

EDIT;

I loved seeing Ayane and Chizu and Ruu and Pin back, though, aaah, and the flashbacks with Kazehaya when he was little with Pin were adorable <3

[Stefkov]

I'm sure in the manga there was a lot more of an emphasis on the whole 'obligatory or its something more' issue of the chocolate. I really enjoyed it despite it being quite a bit depressing even though it's the first episode.
I look forward to later on, it only gets better.

[Berlin]

Poor Sawako....it def. was a sad moment to watch her give up! This def. was a sad way to start the season but I am sure things will get better!

[Anh_Minh]

Will You Be My Valentine? (http://meotwister5.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/kimi-ni-todoke-pilot-episode-will-you-be-my-valentine/)

Sawako certainly has grown a lot since the last time she was animated on-screen, but her self-confidence issues still manifest themselves from time to time. It cannot be denied though that she’s shown a lot of spine and courage as the first season winded down, and I suspect that for this episode, it stems from things much more than the lack of self-confidence but also her abject lack of social skills. For a story about someone who’s experiencing a lot of things for the first time in her life, these Valentine things are part of that list.

The biggest part of course would be with Shota. It’s pretty obvious that this is the first time she ends up wanting to give something special to someone equally as special, yet at the same time she has to handle feelings she’s never experienced. Furthermore is Shota’s reputation for turning down lots of girls and not really accepting any romantic approaches. It’s easy for us viewers and their friends to say that he’s being so obvious with his feelings for the world to see, but for Sawako she simply cannot pick up on the signs she really has no idea of. Part of season one, and yes of the early parts of the manga, was Sawako trying to figure out things she has never felt or experienced before. This growing feeling in her heart is no exception.

Watching this episode, I think it really confirmed my initial impression in the manga that a big part of her reluctance to give him the chocolate isn’t just because she can’t figure out what to do with these feelings, but because of Ume’s words that “he doesn’t accept that kind of chocolate”. She does, perhaps, have this belief that she doesn’t know the exact reason why she’s giving him chocolate, and doesn’t want to alienate Shota by giving him that kind of chocolate when she herself is unsure of her own reasons. Again, it’s so easy to say that she should give them because he will accept them, but we aren’t Sawako. She doesn’t know what he feels because she’s incapable of picking up on his cues. She doesn’t necessarily avoid giving him the chocolate just because she’s afraid, but because she thinks it is the right thing to do.

To me, that scene with Kurumi is interesting because it mirrors their history and turns it around. Kurumi was dishonest because she was afraid of the consequences of openly going after him, while Sawako won him over by being herself. But for Valentine? Kurumi's honest (because she's already lost anyway) and thus successfully delivers her chocolates. While Sawako's being dishonest because she's afraid of the consequences of openly going after Kazehaya and thus fails to give hers. She knows damn well what her feelings are, even if she can't tell Kazehaya's. But she didn't dare give her chocolate for fear they'd be correctly interpreted and rejected.

[demonkevy666]

Kurumi is the number reason I never trust pretty girls ever lol

[broken270]

It is Valentine's day, and everyone is hyped up about it, especially Sawako, who made her chocolate days before Valentines day. Even though she made all of those chocolate bags for all of her friends, the one person whom she cannot muster up the courage to give her chocolates to was Kazehaya. The sad part about this is that while accepting chocolate from many other girls, he rejects their feelings, mainly believing that Sawako would give him chocolate. Instead, she waited after school to give it to him, but Ume came up to him first to give him her chocolate. After Ume's discussion with Sawako, Sawako gets confused and questions herself on whether or not she is giving him chocolate simply as a thank you for everything that he has done for her. continually denying her feelings and believing that Kazehaya would misunderstand her had she given him the chocolate, she runs away. A very innocent child, or children if you want to include Kazehaya in this.

[chaos_animagic]

The thing with Kurumi is... at first it looked like she's evil in everyone's eye.

But... without Kurumi there, Sawako would have almost never figured out just exactly how important her chocolates were (her "real" feelings).
Which is why Sawako couldn't being it out of her to give the choco to Kazehaya... because she doesn't want him to think it was an obligatory choco, because they aren't...
(and the above have already been said before, but it connects to my other sentence, LOL)

And yea.. 80% of the time... "pretty girls" tends to have bad personalities because they think too highly of themselves so they look down at others...

[Rhyel]

Nice episode.

To me Kurumi is not Evil, but realistic girl in my World.

Sawako is a dream good girl, but too much surrealistic. Even in reality a Sawako girl turn in a Kurumi girl when love is the game.

Sad but True

[demonkevy666]

Nice episode.

To me Kurumi is not Evil, but realistic girl in my World.

Sawako is a dream good girl, but too much surrealistic. Even in reality a Sawako girl turn in a Kurumi girl when love is the game.

Sad but True

love is a game ?
only keima would say that.
:heh:

put your armor on get ready for the battle field.

[Waven]

There's only one character in the entire series that is to blame for anything and is bothersome as hell: It's not Kurumi, Pin or whoever. It's Jo, has to be Jo :frustrated: ... even in season1 I grabbed towards my screen to try and choke him

[Flower]

I thought the episode was very well done indeed.

Sawako is definitely one of those characters who can elicit both a "d'awwwww" and laughter at her being so ... well ... "normal" in her reactions - curiously a little on the same general area as how so many people identify with Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes) in his imaginative flights of drama and action and perhaps even Bill Cosby's humor. :)

Be aware this is a very broad generalization pointing mainly at the author's ability to portray an aspect of humanity very accurately - different aspects in these cases, but for me equally as effective in result.

Seeing such strong portrayals of "normality", they hit home with extra strength.

For me Sawako's character does exactly that, and (thankfully) the anime portrayals of her are faithful to this ...erm ... quality. :)

[loveluna4]

The very beginning of ep. 1 made me want to play Cooking Mama. >_<

"Now stir the bacon and aparagus in the skillet..."

[mellomarie]

episode 1 broke ma heart. it wasn't just the valentine chocolates, but their growing distance & the mounting tension.

i have to say though, sawako is just too noble for words. knowing her feelings, she really couldn't give him chocolate under the pretense of "thanks". i can't even blame kurumi really--sawako finds reasons to not be direct about her feelings. it's a self-depreciating cycle.

and the BGM *__*

[darktruth]

Kimi ni Todoke 2nd Season OST (http://www.neowing.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=VPCG-84909)

Interestingly, the first press item is actually an application ticket/mail-in coupon for a special character karaoke party CD. I'm guessing this CD is actually the songs that we heard at the karaoke party for Sawako's class after the school's sports festival from the first season. Another mail-in item to get :D.

[Shiroth]

Kimi ni Todoke 2nd Season OST (http://www.neowing.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=VPCG-84909)
There were four new pieces and one piece from the first season that never made it onto the first soundtrack in the first episode, so i'm not surprised a soundtrack release isn't far away. As a huge S.E.N.S. fanboy, this pleases me to no end.

[zebra]

I'm SO happy to watch a new season!

I normally don't like recaps but KnT's did it well. Most of the story was only alluded to and I liked to get everything told from Kurumi's viewpoint. Better start than I thought and refreshed my memory nicely.

And the first episode? What can I say. I'm just happy the adaptation seems to be exactly like in the first season, so no worries and just me looking forward to every episode :3

But I have to admit it's one of the series where the music is nice, but I don't really care too much about the OST beyond in the episodes themselves :heh:

[Shiroth]

but I don't really care too much about the OST beyond in the episodes themselves :heh:
This makes me :(.

[loveluna4]

But I have to admit it's one of the series where the music is nice, but I don't really care too much about the OST beyond in the episodes themselves :heh:


Ditto. It's a really nice compliment to the visuals but I think it'd be pretty boring to bump in my car. ^_^

[Kazuma77]

2nd episode was also really slow.....:upset: but I like the animation and the tension between those two...

[Shiroth]

Oh my all these new S.E.N.S. pieces. I'm in heaven right now.

[Kanon]

Episode 2 was pretty slow indeed. Also, not enough sparkles and bubbles.

Still a nice episode. Any episode with a decent amount of Ayane is automatically good.

[Shiroth]

Any episode with a decent amount of Ayane x Pin is automatically good.
Fixed that for you. :p

[germanturkey]

it physically hurts me that they somehow went backwards in their relationship. ugh... but like they say, the further apart they are, the stronger they'll be back together ;)

[Midnight Bliss]

Aaaah, episode 2 was very nice. Slow and steady and it was great seeing a decent amount of Ayane and Chizu, especially also Kazehaya. It was really sweet overall. <3 Eagerly waiting for next week's ep.

[Stefkov]

A good episode that progressed the story nicely, at least I thought so.
I can't remember how events unfold now but I know how it ends. There's not many shows I've seen which make me sit back and just smile.

This is also the only show (that I remember) I'm watching where I make an effort to watch the OP and ED. The music and visuals are perfect. Usually I watch them in the first episode then skip thereafter.

[Kismet-chan]

A nice episode. I thought it progressed the story nicely, and I really loved the BGM in the beginning moments of the episode (with Sawako and the cherry blossoms). It's sad that Kazehaya and Sawako have gone a bit backwards in their relationship, but it's a very human thing that happens and makes a lot of sense. I can relate to it personally, so I'm totally fine with it. It'll just make things all the more sweet once they warm up to one another again. <3

[MeoTwister5]

I have to admit that, if memory serves me correctly, this part starts what I still think is the relative low point in the manga for me, which goes back to the usual stuff I love after a few chapters through this angst period. On the other hand, it gives us a lot of perspective into the relative darkness that does exist under the picture-perfect face of Kazehaya Shota.

Blog post to follow.

[Shiroth]

I have to admit that, if memory serves me correctly, this part starts what I still think is the relative low point in the manga for me
A lot of people say that, though then again a lot of people don't read shoujo manga. :p

[MeoTwister5]

It's usually this part of any Shoujo that I find to be the low point, but since it's standard and almost required, complaining becomes sort of pointless anyway.

[Waven]

Without these low points you couldn't appreciate the nicer parts, right? ;)

[Shiroth]

It's usually this part of any Shoujo that I find to be the low point, but since it's standard and almost required, complaining becomes sort of pointless anyway.
You probably wouldn't last with some of the shoujo manga i'd recommend you. :p

Personally i don't see it as a low point, far from it though it's obviously not for everyone.

[MeoTwister5]

You probably wouldn't last with some of the shoujo manga i'd recommend you. :p

Personally i don't see it as a low point, far from it though it's obviously not for everyone.

I fought my way through Moe Kare while keeping my eyeballs from ripping around my optic nerves, so yeah.:eyespin:

An Extra Wheel (http://meotwister5.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/kimi-ni-todoke-s2-ep2-an-extra-wheel/)

For all of Sawako’s niceness as the core of her personality, there’s really such as a thing as being too nice for one’s own good. Ume has (unintentionally?) inserted into her mind the idea that “Shota is for everyone.” For one that’s one of the angles that Sawako thinks of him, which is something excusable, considering that Shota really is a nice guy to everyone no matter their social standings in the school. He made no distinction nor special consideration for Sawako and treated her just like a classmate, even though he does have other ulterior motives for doing so. It just so happens that, for the longest time, Sawako thinks that he’s just being nice because that’s who he is. That’s true for the most part, but she’s not getting the idea that Shota thinks of her very, very differently.

The thing is that Sawako’s excessively selfless and nice personality has led her to think that she does not possess the right to “claim” Shota for herself by giving in to her ever growing attraction to him that she just recently noticed. She has come to think that she should not lay her stake on him because he’s “everybody’s man”, and taking him for herself would somehow deprive everyone else of Shota for her own “selfish” needs. In her mind she’s putting everyone else’s needs before her own, as she is that kind of person, but in the process fails to realize that in reality there isn’t always the need for an equivalent exchange. She doesn’t need to give up on him for everyone’s sake.

That’s just so far from the truth.

[zebra]

The thing is that Sawako’s excessively selfless and nice personality has led her to think that she does not possess the right to “claim” Shota for herself by giving in to her ever growing attraction to him that she just recently noticed.
Hmm. Haven't thought about it like that before.
I took her hesitance as her finally noticing her selfish side actually. That she simply didn't want to pretend that she only thinks of Kazehaya as a friend, because that feeling of longing becomes stronger. But she's afraid of rejection, so she finally understand what the whole "Kazehaya is for everyone" thing was about. As long as he isn't dating anyone, nothing changes.
I took it as her finally realizing that she doesn't only like him, but that she also wants him to herself. She's positive he could never like her back, so that fear of losing him or things becoming just different sets in, leading to her awkward behaviour.
That she feels bad just about thinking of 'claiming' him and it being greedy, is her way-too-kind behaviour again.

Sawako not giving Kazehaya the chocoate was actually the first selfish act of hers imo :heh:
I would have expected her going into the direction of "Oh I gave everyone chocolate, not giving Kazeyaha anything would be extremely rude." But she didn't because she didn't want to act against her feelings ... and simply was afraid of the consequences.
I saw that as the main problem this time. Her uber kindness is still her biggest fault, but it's also a virtue at the same time :heh:

[orion]

I would have expected her going into the direction of "Oh I gave everyone chocolate, not giving Kazeyaha anything would be extremely rude." But she didn't because she didn't want to act against her feelings ... and simply was afraid of the consequences.
I saw that as the main problem this time. Her uber kindness is still her biggest fault, but it's also a virtue at the same time :heh:

She's too high maintenance. I just want to strangle her.

She's afraid of rejection and can't properly verbalize her feelings. The basic problem with the "everybody's Kazehaya" scenario. So that no one has to live with rejection, live in your fantasy world where you just remain friends with the guy you like. Kindness has nothing to do with this problem. She's a freakin coward and needs her butt kicked.

She wanted to say something "special" but in the end said nothing and now he has the wrong idea with competition sitting right next to her.

Well, I guess this puts the ball in his court. Kazehaya has to "work" for her.

[Shiroth]

She's a freakin coward and needs her butt kicked.
Can you please just keep in mind who Sawako is. Remember what she was like before this series even start. This is the first time she's ever had this kind of feelings, together with her past attitude of course she's going to take this route.

Some people just seem to forget who Sawako is.

[orion]

Can you please just keep in mind who Sawako is. Remember what she was like before this series even start. This is the first time she's ever had this kind of feelings, together with her past attitude of course she's going to take this route.

Some people just seem to forget who Sawako is.

It's still cowardly. I haven't forgotten.

[Shiroth]

It's still cowardly.
& personally i don't see why she needs so much grief from viewers because of it. I guess i just view Sawako differently from others.

[Kismet-chan]

The main thing people seem to forget or fail to realize is that while the major theme of Kimi ni Todoke is first (and seemingly unrequited) love, the second theme is innocence. And that's what Sawako is supposed to represent; one of the purest manifestations of innocence you could find in a person. With that being said, her large amounts of kindness and constant misunderstandings (how she tends to take things VERY literally) are to be excused, as they stem from this innocent mindframe of hers. You must also consider how she has been socially isolated up until the events of this story, so of course she will not act the way the average person would in most situations.

tl;dr version = Sawako isn't normal, so you can't expect her to have normal actions. This is all a first for her, so she has to crawl through it for now. She'll eventually learn to walk, but you must be patient. That's an integral part of what this show is about.

[Anh_Minh]

The main thing people seem to forget or fail to realize is that while the major theme of Kimi ni Todoke is first (and seemingly unrequited) love,
If you're talking about the main pairing, it'd be more accurate to say it's about misunderstandings. It's quickly apparent to the reader and to Ayane that the love is requited.

the second theme is innocence. And that's what Sawako is supposed to represent; one of the purest manifestations of innocence you could find in a person. With that being said, her large amounts of kindness and constant misunderstandings (how she tends to take things VERY literally) are to be excused, as they stem from this innocent mindframe of hers. You must also consider how she has been socially isolated up until the events of this story, so of course she will not act the way the average person would in most situations.
But, in not giving her chocolates, she didn't act out of innocence. She fell to the level of all those girls who went "everyone's Kazehaya". Like Kurumi, she hid her love. (Though at least she didn't impede others', so there is that.) I'm not saying she turned into a monster, or that it's out of character for her to act as she did. But in this instance, she didn't act out of her usual innocence. She's changing, growing. That's life.

tl;dr version = Sawako isn't normal, so you can't expect her to have normal actions. This is all a first for her, so she has to crawl through it for now. She'll eventually learn to walk, but you must be patient. That's an integral part of what this show is about.

Heh. She got cold feet, and was too shy to confess her feelings. There's nothing abnormal about that. As I said... she's changing. She's starting to want things for herself. That means she's getting acquainted with fear.

[zebra]

Heh. She got cold feet, and was too shy to confess her feelings. There's nothing abnormal about that. As I said... she's changing. She's starting to want things for herself. That means she's getting acquainted with fear.
I agree with that. It's actual normal behaviour Sawako displayed there. She backed down instead of taking the risk of exposing her feelings. Very common behaviour for a teenage girl, specially a shy one. Not even minding that it's the first time she feels that way.

[Kismet-chan]

@Anh_Minh: Um, you blew like, every point I was trying to make out of proportion a lil bit (you didn't comprehend what I was saying in the way I meant it at all)... I would elaborate on what I actually meant in more simplistic terms, but I'm too lazy to paraphrase everything I typed in that post, so yeah... But whatever gets the general point across, I guess.

[Velsy]

Can you please just keep in mind who Sawako is. Remember what she was like before this series even start. This is the first time she's ever had this kind of feelings, together with her past attitude of course she's going to take this route.

Some people just seem to forget who Sawako is.

Exactly, thats why I've been avoiding kimi ni todoke discussions, because I know alot of people will be complaining and throwing insults because she isnt some awesome romantic. Her tale is getting interesting with all these twists. I just bored atm between animes and decided to browse a bit before getting aback into it.

These first 2 episode results is because how Sawako is. How she acts and thinks. I think its been a great 2 episodes.

Yay for at least 1 person understanding.

[grey_moon]

For all of Sawako’s niceness as the core of her personality, there’s really such as a thing as being too nice for one’s own good. Ume has (unintentionally?) inserted into her mind the idea that “Shota is for everyone.” For one that’s one of the angles that Sawako thinks of him, which is something excusable, considering that Shota really is a nice guy to everyone no matter their social standings in the school. He made no distinction nor special consideration for Sawako and treated her just like a classmate, even though he does have other ulterior motives for doing so. It just so happens that, for the longest time, Sawako thinks that he’s just being nice because that’s who he is. That’s true for the most part, but she’s not getting the idea that Shota thinks of her very, very differently.

The thing is that Sawako’s excessively selfless and nice personality has led her to think that she does not possess the right to “claim” Shota for herself by giving in to her ever growing attraction to him that she just recently noticed. She has come to think that she should not lay her stake on him because he’s “everybody’s man”, and taking him for herself would somehow deprive everyone else of Shota for her own “selfish” needs. In her mind she’s putting everyone else’s needs before her own, as she is that kind of person, but in the process fails to realize that in reality there isn’t always the need for an equivalent exchange. She doesn’t need to give up on him for everyone’s sake.


Great post, and lets not forget that Shouta is over analysing things too. We don't get to hear his thoughts, but damn it man make more of an effort and stop giving up so easily.

Both of them are driving me nuts. I deliberately didn't watch epi 1 until 2 came out because I thought that they could have left valentines days as a cliff hanger, but instead I'm even more worked up. Still loving the show :D

@orion - I wouldn't call Sawako a coward. She over analyses things, and is over considerate. She thinks she is being selfish by pushing her feelings onto others and ends up winding herself up. She doesn't want to risk her friendship with Shouta, because it means so much to her, especially since I believe she doesn't really understand her feelings for him. Ume helped in a strange way. I think Sawako would have hated herself if she did give the chocolates with false pretenses, instead now she is forced to face her feelings and hopefully overcome that hurdle.

Now if that isn't enough enter Kento.....

The worst thing is Kento is the type of person who probably could get a relationship going with a person like Sawako as he would drag her along at his pace. The only thing in Shouta's favour is that she is true to her heart and won't just go along for the ride.

Come on guys sort it out!!!! *bangs head on desk*

[Itlandm]

I love Sawako. I have known several girls that were very much like her. They were raised in an old-fashioned Church where innocence was a main virtue. Nobody had a TV, and few had radio. Mothers stayed home and raised their children. When the kids were old enough, they went to public school, but they came straight home afterwards and spent their free time at home, or in church, or together with other families from the same church. Parents were always thinking of how their children could be preserved in innocence, especially the girls. This resulted in Sawako type girls, who had no problem with being alone at school, as long as they knew their parents loved them, and who had no realistic expectations about how humans would act. They were also extremely cute. Having known girls like that, you would never again consider marrying an ordinary woman.

[broken270]

With another new year comes a new atmosphere for every student in the school. I'm glad that the main cast is together once again, but it seems as though Yano had something to do with that. That Kento guys sure is interested in her, and that interest made most of the students in the class misunderstood what just happened, other than the fact that Sawako is now afraid of him due to first impressions. Right off the bat, Kento decides to be the class representative, another misunderstanding? After school, Yano tries to push Shouta that he has a love interest, but is stubborn not to say it. It looks like Yano cannot do anything as of now until something critical happens. In the end, Shouta said what I believe is a confesstion of love to Sawako. Caught off guard, Sawako stumbles, not knowing what to do or what to say. This causes yet another misunderstanding, and Shouta leaves without being able to hear her response. It makes sense, since Sawako is also trying to figure out the feelings she has for Shouta for herself. With both members confused at heart, it looks to be only a matter of time before someone starts to crash into their parade, i.e. Kento.

[Anh_Minh]

Great post, and lets not forget that Shouta is over analysing things too. We don't get to hear his thoughts, but damn it man make more of an effort and stop giving up so easily.

Both of them are driving me nuts. I deliberately didn't watch epi 1 until 2 came out because I thought that they could have left valentines days as a cliff hanger, but instead I'm even more worked up. Still loving the show :D

@orion - I wouldn't call Sawako a coward. She over analyses things, and is over considerate. She thinks she is being selfish by pushing her feelings onto others and ends up winding herself up. She doesn't want to risk her friendship with Shouta, because it means so much to her, especially since I believe she doesn't really understand her feelings for him. Ume helped in a strange way. I think Sawako would have hated herself if she did give the chocolates with false pretenses, instead now she is forced to face her feelings and hopefully overcome that hurdle.

I wouldn't call her cowardly either, for the same reason I don't call running away from a lion while screaming like a little girl "cowardly". Sawako's fear is quite understandable and normal. As you said, Kazehaya's friendship means a lot to her. Even though we know her fear of rejection is groundless, she doesn't. And we can't really expect her to. But none of that takes away from the fact that fear is her prime motivator, here. Not "innocence" or "nobility". Certainly not honesty - if she was honest, she'd just confess and take what comes.

It's not my intention to give her too much flak about that. As I said, it's all very normal. If anything, I'm annoyed at Kazehaya. He's the one with all the self-confidence and people skills. He's the one who should do something. I understand that Valentine was a serious blow. All in all, he recovered pretty gracefully. But how much grief would it have spared if he'd let her know he was interested before Valentine?

[grey_moon]

It's not my intention to give her too much flak about that. As I said, it's all very normal. If anything, I'm annoyed at Kazehaya. He's the one with all the self-confidence and people skills. He's the one who should do something. I understand that Valentine was a serious blow. All in all, he recovered pretty gracefully. But how much grief would it have spared if he'd let her know he was interested before Valentine?

I could imagine that someone like Kento would waltz to the girl they like and demand their chocolates.

I don't like how he confronted Sawako at the end, which I am guessing was triggered by Kento's actions around Sawako. Of course I don't know how he will act next episode, does he think that Sawako has rejected him? Does he think that Kento has something special with her?

He was pretty bold when Ume tried to make him jealous with RyuXSawako plan. I hope he mans up!!!

[orion]

It's not my intention to give her too much flak about that. As I said, it's all very normal. If anything, I'm annoyed at Kazehaya. He's the one with all the self-confidence and people skills. He's the one who should do something. I understand that Valentine was a serious blow. All in all, he recovered pretty gracefully. But how much grief would it have spared if he'd let her know he was interested before Valentine?

If he had been proactive and dropped a hint, then maybe it could have been avoided. But he didn't call her either over the holiday. Maybe he's waiting for her to make the next move which knowing Sawako ain't gonna happen soon. Basicaly no communication over the holidays threw both sides out of whack.

Assuming that Sawako had at least one vertebrae was a bit too much let alone the entire spine. :heh:

[grey_moon]

If he had been proactive and dropped a hint, then maybe it could have been avoided. But he didn't call her either over the holiday. Maybe he's waiting for her to make the next move which knowing Sawako ain't gonna happen soon. Basicaly no communication over the holidays threw both sides out of whack.


Too true!!!


Assuming that Sawako had at least one vertebrae was a bit too much let alone the entire spine. :heh:

Unfair. Sawako has issues just talking to people. She has a physical response to dealing with strangers. When she tries to smile she ends up grimacing (if you can call it that), her mind says "say hello" and that isn't what comes out of her mouth.

She over analyses things, in the same way that ppl with OCD freak about if the door has been locked. So any stray thought seems to snowball, and add in a huge dose of humility that probably comes closer to self-deprecation. So for her to do something which most people find difficult such as asking someone out, or confessing one's love is a bit much in my book.

Also a big point is, she knows that she wants more from her relationship with Shouta, but she seems to think that she doesn't deserve it. What makes her more special then Ume? What makes her more special then anyone else?

It would take a lot for her to impose her feelings on anyone, especially someone she cares about (remember the xmas party and her dad?)

[ashe]

yay! so good to be back! finally!!!
just watched episode 0, and it brings back memories! natsukashii!
after ranting here, now i'm all set for the 1st episode!

[Azuma Denton]

Listened to the full ED song, "Kimi ni Todoke..."
Quite emotional song.
Fit to be ending of 2nd season for future event in this serie...

[ashe]

& personally i don't see why she needs so much grief from viewers because of it. I guess i just view Sawako differently from others.

i'm with you here. :)
damn, i've watched season 1 like a movie marathon after i've completed it first and left out the concluding parts for months before i finished it.. now i'm suffering as i'm not used to waiting after each episode. wah, can't wait for next's!

[Kismet-chan]

If you're talking about the main pairing, it'd be more accurate to say it's about misunderstandings. It's quickly apparent to the reader and to Ayane that the love is requited.

The love is requited, but THEY don't know that. As far as Sawako knows, her love is unrequited (at the moment), and as far as Kazehaya knows (once again, only at the moment), his love is unrequited. Their feelings are mutual, but neither one of them knows that yet. THAT'S what I meant when I said what I did. It's like... the major component of the plot. They're not the only characters who experience it, either. (Kurumi love's for Kazahaya is the obvious one, then there's Ryuu's love for Chizu, but both of those are one-sided.) The name of the ED song by Chara of the first season was Kataomoi. Kataomoi literally translates to "Unrequited Love". If nobody noticed, they often played the song (or different versions of it), when scenes regarding the matter of one's feelings not being returned were occurring.

[orion]

The love is requited, but THEY don't know that. As far as Sawako knows, her love is unrequited (at the moment), and as far as Kazehaya knows (once again, only at the moment), his love is unrequited. Their feelings are mutual, but neither one of them knows that yet. THAT'S what I meant when I said what I did. It's like... the major component of the plot. They're not the only characters who experience it, either. (Kurumi love's for Kazahaya is the obvious one, then there's Ryuu's love for Chizu, but both of those are one-sided.) The name of the ED song by Chara of the first season was Kataomoi. Kataomoi literally translates to "Unrequited Love". If nobody noticed, they often played the song (or different versions of it), when scenes regarding the matter of one's feelings not being returned were occurring.

They're both prob 16 yo now. They both need to "man up".

[grey_moon]

Listened to the full ED song, "Kimi ni Todoke..."
Quite emotional song.
Fit to be ending of 2nd season for future event in this serie...

The video that goes with it is pretty sweet too :)

[Shiroth]

They're both prob 16 yo now. They both need to "man up".
Sigh.

Is it just going to be this from you for this season? Like it's been said a number of times, and you've always seen it yourself, Sawako is not your everyday girl in highschool, so this 'man up' nonsense doesn't work with her at all, or Kazehaya for that matter. They both work differently then the highschool boy and girl that you have in your head.

[orion]

Sigh.

Is it just going to be this from you for this season? Like it's been said a number of times, and you've always seen it yourself, Sawako is not your everyday girl in highschool, so this 'man up' nonsense doesn't work with her at all, or Kazehaya for that matter. They both work differently then the highschool boy and girl that you have in your head.

Probably.

As "wprking differently" isn't much of an excuse as with different ages there's an expectation of behavior. Sawako needs to 'speed it up" a bit. Life normally doesn't wait for people like her to catch up. Her nadesico status is giving her plot shield.

[Kismet-chan]

Probably.

As "wprking differently" isn't much of an excuse as with different ages there's an expectation of behavior. Sawako needs to 'speed it up" a bit. Life normally doesn't wait for people like her to catch up. Her nadesico status is giving her plot shield.

Aren't you forgetting two very crucial things? A) Everyone is different and reacts to different situations in different ways, and B) this is an ANIME. Even if we DID pretend for a moment that everyone in the world acted according to ridiculous world you have set up in your head, the creator of KnT made the story the way it is for a reason. Certain plot devices are used and certain kinds of characteristics and personalities are developed purely for the sake of the genre/medium. I'm pretty sure that Sawako is meant to be that way for various, legitimate reasons.

[orion]

Aren't you forgetting two very crucial things? A) Everyone is different and reacts to different situations in different ways, and B) this is an ANIME. Even if we DID pretend for a moment that everyone in the world acted according to ridiculous world you have set up in your head, the creator of KnT made the story the way it is for a reason. Certain plot devices are used and certain kinds of characteristics and personalities are developed purely for the sake of the genre/medium. I'm pretty sure that Sawako is meant to be that way for various, legitimate reasons.

And that's why I added nadesico plot shield. Hopefully, she'll develop more next episode. Maybe Kurumi can shake some sense into her by example.

[GreatTeacherKen]

^^ From a storytelling perspective, I think Sawako suddenly becoming a confident person would clash with her established personality and also the pacing of the series. Sawako is developing, it's just happening gradually.

IMO change doesn't come quickly, so generally speaking, if you want things or people to change, you have to be patient, especially for someone like Sawako who has had no social life for the vast majority of her life. Indeed, it's only in high school that she's learning and experiencing things like friendship and love for the first time.

In a sense, she's a fish out of water, everything that's happened in this story is all a new experience for her so of course it'll be much harder for her to adjust and she can't be expected to just know what to do and what to say. The first time for anything is usually the most difficult time because people have no idea what they're supposed to do. I assume most users here aren't like Sawako so we have a better idea of what to do.

Not to mention that people learn things from observing others. I believe that people need at least a little bit of guidance in their lives in order to survive. Sawako's peers refused to talk to Sawako, so she never got the chance to learn. Thankfully, Sawako's new-found friends are supportive and willing to wait for her to catch up. :)

[Anh_Minh]

Aren't you forgetting two very crucial things? A) Everyone is different and reacts to different situations in different ways, and B) this is an ANIME. Even if we DID pretend for a moment that everyone in the world acted according to ridiculous world you have set up in your head, the creator of KnT made the story the way it is for a reason. Certain plot devices are used and certain kinds of characteristics and personalities are developed purely for the sake of the genre/medium. I'm pretty sure that Sawako is meant to be that way for various, legitimate reasons.

I don't see what's ridiculous about his claims. One of them need to ask the other out. Period. It's not a story of forbidden love or of incompatible dreams, where hard choices have to be made. The obstacles aren't family feuds, long distance, age difference or anything like that. It's their shyness, and their misreadings of each other. That's basically the story for now: a long crawl to the point where one of them finally gets his or her courage and confesses, and the other say yes.

I agree that it's not going to be easy, especially for Sawako. I agree that such a thing is harder for her than for, say, Ayane. But when all's said and done, the problem is exactly like Orion's stated: one of them need to "man up".

[Kismet-chan]

I don't see what's ridiculous about his claims. One of them need to ask the other out. Period. It's not a story of forbidden love or of incompatible dreams, where hard choices have to be made. The obstacles aren't family feuds, long distance, age difference or anything like that. It's their shyness, and their misreadings of each other. That's basically the story for now: a long crawl to the point where one of them finally gets his or her courage and confesses, and the other say yes.

I agree that it's not going to be easy, especially for Sawako. I agree that such a thing is harder for her than for, say, Ayane. But when all's said and done, the problem is exactly like Orion's stated: one of them need to "man up".

I wasn't saying that his claims were ridiculous. I was saying that assuming that all people in the same situation should get to the point where they declare their feelings as hastily as he is suggesting is ridiculous.

We ALL know they will eventually get to the point where they confess their feelings. The point that many others and I are trying to make is that we have to be patient. Sawako needs a lot of character development. It's paced a lot slower than what most people would prefer (because anime, in general, has flawed most people's concept of what makes good pacing), but it's realistic for someone of Sawako's nature -- and there are a lot of people in real life who would take the situation as slowly and delicately as she is, if not even more so.

Regardless of what anyone can say about anything at this point, the fact of the matter is: like it or not, one way or another, viewers are going to have to wait. Deal with it.

^^ From a storytelling perspective, I think Sawako suddenly becoming a confident person would clash with her established personality and also the pacing of the series. Sawako is developing, it's just happening gradually.

IMO change doesn't come quickly, so generally speaking, if you want things or people to change, you have to be patient, especially for someone like Sawako who has had no social life for the vast majority of her life. Indeed, it's only in high school that she's learning and experiencing things like friendship and love for the first time.

In a sense, she's a fish out of water, everything that's happened in this story is all a new experience for her so of course it'll be much harder for her to adjust and she can't be expected to just know what to do and what to say. The first time for anything is usually the most difficult time because people have no idea what they're supposed to do. I assume most users here aren't like Sawako so we have a better idea of what to do.

Not to mention that people learn things from observing others. I believe that people need at least a little bit of guidance in their lives in order to survive. Sawako's peers refused to talk to Sawako, so she never got the chance to learn. Thankfully, Sawako's new-found friends are supportive and willing to wait for her to catch up. :)

This sums up my thoughts and feelings exactly.

[Flower]

I becoming more and more "used" to the OP and the EP of the series. It seems the makers of the anime are transitioning nicely into the EP in particular, which is nice to see. :)

[Anh_Minh]

I wasn't saying that his claims were ridiculous. I was saying that assuming that all people in the same situation should get to the point where they declare their feelings as hastily as he is suggesting is ridiculous.
They've known each other for a year. I don't think "hasty" is the right adjective, especially for something as innocuous as dating.

We ALL know they will eventually get to the point where they confess their feelings. The point that many others and I are trying to make is that we have to be patient. Sawako needs a lot of character development. It's paced a lot slower than what most people would prefer (because anime, in general, has flawed most people's concept of what makes good pacing), but it's realistic for someone of Sawako's nature -- and there are a lot of people in real life who would take the situation as slowly and delicately as she is, if not even more so.

Regardless of what anyone can say about anything at this point, the fact of the matter is: like it or not, one way or another, viewers are going to have to wait. Deal with it.

Oh, yes. Quite. Which doesn't change the fact that they should speed it up. It just means they aren't going to.

[Kismet-chan]

They've known each other for a year. I don't think "hasty" is the right adjective, especially for something as innocuous as dating.


Mm, that's a matter of opinion. My ex-boyfriend and I knew each other for three years as just friendly associates before we declared our feelings. (He was more like the Sawako and I was the Kazehaya, though. :D) But that's just me and my life, everyone's different. (However, today's generation IS taking things very quickly as opposed to relationships of the past, and not in a good way... But that's another topic entirely.)

The speed of Sawako and Kazehaya's progress is fine to me. If it went any faster, the manga/anime would be a loooooot shorter. :heh:

[Leo_Otaku]

I love this show it feels like a warm hug is all I can describe it like. I haven't read the manga because i always tend to compare the two. So I don't really know what is in store later on. Though I keep going like noooo...at the end of each episode for this season lol.

[Avvesione]

I actually prefer the current speed of Sawako's and Kazehaya's relationship. However, I don't care that they took a few steps back from the end of the first season. But then again, not all relationships follow a straight, rosy path.

I know the predominate discussion here is on the romance but I'd like to admit I love the comedy in Kimi ni Todoke. It's better than a lot of comedy anime out there. Sure, some scenes are predictable but the way its delivered and the reaction are what's important.

Is there anyone else out there who enjoys the comedy as one of the main aspects of the show?

[ahelo]

Kimi ni Todoke really thrives on misunderstandings eh? Its been 3 episodes (I'm not including 00) and its all been misunderstandings that are damaging their relationship. AARGH be more of a man Kazehaya. Stop sneaking on Sawako after classes and talk to her more. AARGH.

[grey_moon]

However, I don't care that they took a few steps back from the end of the first season. But then again, not all relationships follow a straight, rosy path.


I don't think that they took any steps back from the end of S1. The NYE event was driven by Ayane (and Chi), but this time around Ayane didn't make a move during valentines and got "warned" off from helping by Shouta.

[Arnavion]

Yea way to go Kazehaya. "Forget what I said at that time" is a surefire way of causing Yet Another Misunderstanding (tm).

[MeoTwister5]

I think the more important aspect of episode 3 three is what it transitions to for episode 4, IIRC. Blog post tomorrow.

[Kanon]

Kimi ni Todoke really thrives on misunderstandings eh? Its been 3 episodes (I'm not including 00) and its all been misunderstandings that are damaging their relationship. AARGH be more of a man Kazehaya. Stop sneaking on Sawako after classes and talk to her more. AARGH.

Misunderstandings are one of my most hated plot device, especially when they're as silly as in Kimi ni Todoke. I can only hope this situation will resolve itself soon because it's getting almost painful to watch.

The best thing about this season is Kento. Miyano Mamoru was just perfect for this role.

[Shiroth]

I'm surprised no one has made the the little funny connection between Miyano Mamoru and Star Driver in this episode.

Anyway, brilliant episode. So pleased the pacing is pretty much the same as the manga, or this just wouldn't work as an adaptation. Sure i'd love to see the future material animated in this season, though not at the cost of destroying the adaptation at this point.

Kent was amazing in the manga, and having Miyano Mamoru voice him truly brings out the best in his character. I especially feel bad for anime only viewers with that cliffhanger. Speaking of cliffhanger, absolute fitting piece by S.E.N.S. Even more new material from them this episode. <3

This truly is turning out to be the greatest shoujo adaptation ever, and i'm just so pleased it had to happen with my personal favourite Kimi ni Todoke.

[GreatTeacherKen]

Misunderstandings can be frustrating, but considering the series is about a social outcast who's only recently gained a social life and learning for the first time what that entails, I see them as inevitable and makes the story more believable.

As for why Kazehaya isn't more aggressive and clear about his feelings for Sawako, I think he doesn't want to freak her out or potentially alienate her. Personally, that's a feeling I can empathize with. Also Sawako might be the first girl he's actually loved. Considering how popular he is, if he had a past relationship, it would have probably been brought up. At the very least, Sawako's the only person we've seen Kazehaya show any interest in. As for Sawako, she's only beginning to understand what romantic love is so Sawako can't express her feelings clearly. So from Kazehaya's perspective, Kazehaya isn't certain how Sawako feels about him or how she might respond if he were to be more aggressive.

Also, every time a misunderstanding is resolved in this series, the characters' relationships become stronger. Sawako, Yano, and Yoshida became true friends after episode 6 in the first season, Sawako began to realize her feelings for Kazehaya as Kurumi attempted to disrupt their relationship.

I feel like there's a progression in the story as opposed to a status quo is God scenario and that's why I can accept such a plot device in this series. It's a bumpy progression undoubtedly, but it's progression nonetheless.

[germanturkey]

mm. lots of bubbles and sparkles. well, considering the next ep is called "misunderstanding" i can safely say that their relationship this season will develop because of them. though its technically both their faults, Kazehaya for not being more direct, and Sawako for being too shy.

[Avvesione]

I like the misunderstandings. I think it's one of the charms of the series to have us watch know what's going on but the characters, or just Sawako, not. It's one of the things that makes Kimi ni Todoke so unique.

I'm curious if they'll spend some time on the other relationships sometime soon. We haven't seen much of it this season, but I want to see more of Chizuru and Ryu. Their relationship, I find, is interesting with Ryu's older brother, Toru, getting married soon.

[Shiroth]

I'm curious if they'll spend some time on the other relationships sometime soon. We haven't seen much of it this season, but I want to see more of Chizuru and Ryu. Their relationship, I find, is interesting with Ryu's older brother, Toru, getting married soon.
Just so you know, there's only 13 episodes for this season, instead of the 25 episodes the first season had. It won't cover nearly as much material, though what we are to see animated is truly some of the best the manga has to offer.

[Flower]

By the way Shiroth - the pic in your sig is a very nice one. :)

Re. Episode 3 I continue to enjoy season 2 - am glad they are doing a good job with this!

[broken270]

So, is Kent a good guys after all that has happened? At first, he walks up to Sawako and attempts to help her be nicer around people by making her smile. He tells his former classmates that he was interested in a certain girl, which concerns Ayane. He may want to see what happens if he speeds up their relationship from behind the scene. An opportunity arises when he overheard that she was good at taking notes, which made her a temporary teacher after school. When many people arrive to the crash course, and the people thanked her, Kent realizes that he doesn't need give her a signal to make her smile when she can do it naturally to begin with. After that, Shouta and Sawako attempt to fix what happened yesterday, only to make matters worse. Here, kent wishes to talk to him alone. What could he be thinking?

[Waven]

Good to see Shota breaking a sweat once in a while as well, shows that when it comes to the matter of love he is almost as insecure as Sawako.

Ah, and poor Kent, so misunderstood...

[Anh_Minh]

So, is Kent a good guys after all that has happened? At first, he walks up to Sawako and attempts to help her be nicer around people by making her smile. He tells his former classmates that he was interested in a certain girl, which concerns Ayane. He may want to see what happens if he speeds up their relationship from behind the scene. An opportunity arises when he overheard that she was good at taking notes, which made her a temporary teacher after school. When many people arrive to the crash course, and the people thanked her, Kent realizes that he doesn't need give her a signal to make her smile when she can do it naturally to begin with. After that, Shouta and Sawako attempt to fix what happened yesterday, only to make matters worse. Here, kent wishes to talk to him alone. What could he be thinking?

Two solutions:
- "leave my woman alone!".
- "let's have hot homo sex".

[Waven]

Two solutions:
- "leave my woman alone!".
- "let's have hot homo sex".

Holy shit, put that in spoiler tags since you seem to have read the manga...
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...
j/k ;)

[MeoTwister5]

The Melancholy of Kazehaya Shota (http://meotwister5.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/kimi-ni-todoke-s2-ep3-the-melancholy-of-kazehaya-shota/)

Sawako on the other hand is showing her apparent desire to put back things the way they were before all the awkwardness of February 14, despite the fact that by now she knows she’s consciously denying herself what she feels for what she believes is the right thing for everyone. As I had mentioned previously, her all genuine niceness is a double edged sword and in being consistent with her beliefs and core personality she assumes she must not take him for himself. Even then the awkwardness shows: she can hardly greet him with a straight face as she usually does and she can’t even be with him as a friend like the year prior. Any meeting with him becomes a flushed and embarrassed affair; for all her attempts to reconnect with him in the old way, she is unable to do it.

She can’t because of one simple truth: things can’t be the way they were. Sawako has crossed beyond the threshold of platonic relationships before she had even realized it. Now that she has, she denies it out of an almost self-emptying approach she takes to human relationships. Sawako acts as though she needs to throw herself towards others to gain their companionship, yet for the only person she should really throw her heart to, she cannot. An ironic twist of fate it is.

After seeing her smile, I think one can see the melancholy that has engulfed Shota slowly melt away. Seeing her smile reminded her of previous days where they’d hang out and Sawako would be her usually awkward yet honest self. For the past few months Kazehaya has been unsure of both himself and her feelings, further compounded (inadvertently) by Kento’s intrusions into Sawako’s life. Not getting chocolates from her surely came as a shock to him, but chocolate is chocolate, it is merely symbolism for something, and just because he didn’t get any doesn’t mean she didn’t think any good of him.

Seeing her smile that smile that he probably used to think was only for him, reminded him of why he fell in love with her in the first place, and reminds him now of just how far Sawako has come to be able to smile like that for everyone else. I would think that, perhaps, he’s seen some of the folly of his selfishness. He would come to realize that this isn’t the Sawako of before, but a Sawako who has become a very different person now, mostly because of what he has done for her. With that smile he remembers just who this girl is and why he felt he wanted to be with her. Not getting chocolate, Kento getting in the way and the awkwardness between them means nothing; if he really wants to be with her he knows he has to keep trying for both their sakes. He can’t be depressed anymore, because if he keeps on being depressed, perhaps Kento will really take her away. With that smile he remembers that he needs to make a choice: to continue or not to continue.

His final comments are indeed vague, at least for Sawako, but I think he’s found new courage to be free from his melancholia and do what he thinks is right.

Also this. How can you say no to this smile?

http://meotwister5.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/knt2-3-4.jpg

[Nikkan]

Yet another great episode. I'm crossing my fingers that they will mangage to get to manga chapter 39 with just 10 episodes left

[grey_moon]

@MeoTwister - Great post!

[Waven]

Yet another great episode. I'm crossing my fingers that they will mangage to get to manga chapter 39 with just 10 episodes left

Don't worry, some of the upcoming manga chapters that are to be covered are just like 18-20 pages long instead of the usual 45-50 pages (maybe the author's pregnancy made her already work less until the series went on a hiatus a little later iirc ), so I think we'll definitely get there.

[chaos_animagic]

I just noticed now... Sawako would make a really great teacher...

She's easy to understand and is extremely patient... (not to mention she's really cute at times)

I would totally loved her if she was my teacher.

[Anh_Minh]

I'm not so sure that, as she is, she'd be a great teacher. Sure, she did very well tutoring her classmates, but, well, they were all people who wanted to be there in the first place. One of the biggest chores of being a teacher is dealing with all the guys who don't want to be in class and have no interest in what you're saying. And they're not all nice enough to just go to sleep like Ryu, either. As shy as she is, that could be a big problem for her.

[Kanon]

I'm not so sure that, as she is, she'd be a great teacher. Sure, she did very well tutoring her classmates, but, well, they were all people who wanted to be there in the first place. One of the biggest chores of being a teacher is dealing with all the guys who don't want to be in class and have no interest in what you're saying. And they're not all nice enough to just go to sleep like Ryu, either. As shy as she is, that could be a big problem for her.

I agree. She's definitely got great tutoring skills, but that alone does not make a great teacher. You've got to have authority and good nerves too, which is something she's completely lacking. She would get eaten alive by a normal class.

[Flower]

I agree. She's definitely got great tutoring skills, but that alone does not make a great teacher. You've got to have authority and good nerves too, which is something she's completely lacking. She would get eaten alive by a normal class.

Agreed ... especially the part of "a normal class" that includes those who are not interested to learn, are rebellious, etc., etc.

[psycho bolt]

I just like how in Ep 3, everyone is making Sawako happy. She just needs a push from her classmates to up her self-confidence. I think Kazehaya notices that she is definitely changing. Kimi ni Todoke character development is amazing.

[Vexx]

3 episodes in.... enjoying this almost as much as the manga. Nice execution.

[ashe]

treasuring each episode.. already dreading the final episode this early!

[Serperior]

I'm glad that Kazehaya's finally doing something about his relationship with Sawako. Can't wait for the next ep.

[king12354]

I probably couldn't stand reading this manga but watching the anime creates a nice atmosphere. Not bad for a shoujo.

[grey_moon]

Can this series do no wrong!!!

Such a wonderful episode. Ayane shined, and the look Sawako gave as she dipped her head down when Shouta walked into her tutorial was so touching. So many touching scenes it makes my heart ache. Love it :)

Kento is shaping up to be a great character!

[Avvesione]

The cast in Kimi ni Todoke is very strong and one of the most enjoyable parts about the show. That's why I was kinda hoping we'd see more of the other characters and their relationships. But then again, the show is about Sawako and Kazehaya...

I'm wondering if we'll see Sawako have more self-confidence in the next episode(s) after the success of her cram-session in the last episode. It certainly gave her a genuine smile. Maybe we'll see Sawako go out of her way to talk to Kazehaya? I can only hope.

[Nochgo]

Gah, the cliffhanger in episode 4 left me in despair! Can't wait to see what they will talk about. And what Kazehaya said to Sawako at the end made me want to rip up my pillow. I honestly thought he was going to confess, but I guess that wouldn't be like him. When will the things that really needs to be said, said?

[Avvesione]

Heh, after watching episode 4 (the fifth of the season) and then re-reading the first part of my last post here made me smile. What great timing!

This was probably my favorite episode of the season.

[MeoTwister5]

Oh damn I was right it was this episode. It felt a but rushed for some reason but considering what it seems they want to reach for this 13 episode season I understand perfectly. If Yano and Yoshido deserve to be considered best supporting characters it would be for these things.

Next week... well...

[Shiroth]

That was a brilliant episode, probably my favourite of the second season so far. Sawako's speech on how she can't stop being selfish was beautiful, especially with 'pure' used in the background. S.E.N.S. music placement yet again shows how much of an incredible effect it has on the adaptation.

Plenty of humour in this episode as well, which i think a number of people have missed from the first season.

As for Kent, i wouldn't really say he's going about it in a 'bastard' way. I mean you can easily see he has a hidden agenda, though it most obviously isn't anything bad. It's why i really like his character.

& Chizu's feet in this episode were <333.

[Kanon]

Ayane is definitely my favorite character. I understand her frustration... It must be really tough being the only socially intelligent person in the series.

[SidVicious]

Chizu in the preview is so cute. :D

[Midnight Bliss]

Daaamn, I loved this episode. Now, I'm sure Ayane is my favorite character, she's so intelligent and thinks things through and thinks of others and her styleee <3
I teared up a bit in that scene where Sawako and Chizu cried, mostly because of Chizu and sparkles and bubbles and bgm.
Also, omggg, Chizu in the preview looks gorgeous.

[Anh_Minh]

I kept thinking "Life would be so much simpler if they'd just let Yano run it".

Other thoughts:
- brave attempt, but I just can't think of any dress - especially the puffy, frilly ones - that'd make Chizu look attractive. I guess I just can't get over her stupid face. She's not fugly or anything, and there's nothing wrong with her body or personality, but she's just plain physically unattractive to me.
- Kent is... infuriating. I can accept his intentions are good. He's misunderstanding the situation, yes, but he's not totally absurd either. Based on his understanding, his advice isn't bad. But he's basing said understanding on rumors and superficial acquaintance. Who is he to presume to speak for Sawako? Even more infuriating: his insistence on Kazehaya not getting angry and giving him a fake smile. People's emotions don't exist for his convenience.

[GreatTeacherKen]

Good episode. I liked the way the animators depicted the scene where Chizu realized that she inadvertently said something that hurt Kazehaya with the lighter lighting the fuse at the bottom of the screen. :)

[orion]

The dark force is strong with the male Kurumi (Kent). :heh:

Poor Kazehaya, getting manipulated like that. I hope he can get out of the mess he's allowed himself to get into. Obviously, Kent is trying to go after Sawako and is trying to get rid of the competition (Kazahaya).

I wonder what does Kurumi know about Kent.

[Waven]

I kept thinking "Life would be so much simpler if they'd just let Yano run it".

Other thoughts:
- brave attempt, but I just can't think of any dress - especially the puffy, frilly ones - that'd make Chizu look attractive. I guess I just can't get over her stupid face. She's not fugly or anything, and there's nothing wrong with her body or personality, but she's just plain physically unattractive to me.
- Kent is... infuriating. I can accept his intentions are good. He's misunderstanding the situation, yes, but he's not totally absurd either. Based on his understanding, his advice isn't bad. But he's basing said understanding on rumors and superficial acquaintance. Who is he to presume to speak for Sawako? Even more infuriating: his insistence on Kazehaya not getting angry and giving him a fake smile. People's emotions don't exist for his convenience.

One could also put it like this: "Life would be so much simpler if there wasn't the psychological aspect o puberty" :) ... Yano and Chizu already gave up on the idea of an easy solution realizing this can only be solved by the main players.

Really like your analysis of Kent here, calm and objective. I feared people would just blatantly rage at him.

on a side, side note: So freaking hard to write something here when you've already read the manga. I have to cut out so many points from my posts I'd like to make just because knowing the outcome pretty much influences your view on everything else that has happened before as well. Can be frustrating at times but I know it's for the best.

[Shiroth]

Obviously, Kent is trying to go after Sawako and is trying to get rid of the competition (Kazahaya).
I hardly see how that's obvious. It does always have to be for romantic purposes. Kent could just be that kind of guy that wants to help Sawako (the same as Ayane), though just goes about it in his own different way.

[orion]

I hardly see how that's obvious. It does always have to be for romantic purposes. Kent could just be that kind of guy that wants to help Sawako (the same as Ayane), though just goes about it in his own different way.

Because being a shojo, there has to be a triangle on her side too and guys aren't normally that altruistic. :heh:

[germanturkey]

i hate how there is no forward movement at all. i know this is how the manga is like, (i felt the same way then) but i think they're stretching it out a bit too much.

[HurricaneHige]

ARGGGGGGGGGGG!!!

I really do like Kimi ni Todoke, but at the same time I feel like punching out a kitten everything I watch an episode. The development is so painful and slow, why do I continue to subject myself to this? ~_~

[Avvesione]

What would Kimi ni Todoke be if it progressed quickly? I think everyone here wants to see Sawako and Kazehaya together but without any struggles, hardships, over-thinking or misunderstandings, then it's just like every Suddenly Girlfriend anime out there and the romance would be terrible. It's so incredibly hard to find a good romance in anime, so I'm glad Kimi ni Todoke is around since it does it right.

While I'll admit the pacing has been going at a snail's pace, it's not a bad thing because it fits the character's personalities. Sawako is socially fragile and confused, so she couldn't rush through things even if she tried. Kazehaya, on the other hand, could try to speed things up, but he's nervous about the whole thing, too. If others tried to push things through, it'd make things even worse (as was explained by Ayane in this episode). So while the pace may be slow, it's what works for the series.

[Shiroth]

Because being a shojo, there has to be a triangle on her side too and guys aren't normally that altruistic. :heh:
There isn't a triangle in every shoujo title. :p

[Anh_Minh]

I hardly see how that's obvious. It does always have to be for romantic purposes. Kent could just be that kind of guy that wants to help Sawako (the same as Ayane), though just goes about it in his own different way.

It could be both. He could, unlike Kurumi, be 100% sincere in his analysis. He could still have "ulterior motives". Kazehaya could hardly throw stones at him, there.

[orion]

There isn't a triangle in every shoujo title. :p

I doubt this one would survive without the main characters in a triangle. They played Sawaki-Kazehaya-Kurumi to the hilt in first season. Now we have Kent-Sawako-Kazehaya starting in this season.

[Waven]

I doubt this one would survive without the main characters in a triangle. They played Sawaki-Kazehaya-Kurumi to the hilt in first season. Now we have Kent-Sawako-Kazehaya starting in this season.

A simple rival doesn't make a triangle, the one person in question would have to show at least some romantic interest in a "third" person. Thus Kurumi was just a rival, she never receive3d from Kazahaya that would've qualified her to be part in a triangle.

[antigone]

the only thing that this show got going for it right now is the above-average visuals. The characters, on the other hand, feel shallow, while the pacing of the story is sluggish. I can't really say if it's the fault of Production IG or the inherent flaw of the source material. Probably the latter. Something built around misunderstandings as a plot device does not really suit well for me.

[Avvesione]

In addition to the whole Sawako-Kazehaya-Kurumi and Kazehaya-Sawako-Kent situations, there was the Ryu-Chizuru-Toru situation in the first season. I'm interested to see Episode 5 since we get to see the wedding and get some development between Chizu and Ryu.

I'll have to admit, I am more interested in that relationship than the one between Sawako and Kazehaya, just because we haven't seen much of it since the middle half of the first season.

[king12354]

I wouldn't say the plot is built around misunderstandings. These types of problems are very common in regular high school life albeit not always to this degree.

[Flower]

ARGGGGGGGGGGG!!!

I really do like Kimi ni Todoke, but at the same time I feel like punching out a kitten everything I watch an episode. The development is so painful and slow, why do I continue to subject myself to this? ~_~

:heh:

Who knows? Because you like your weekly dose of "d'awwwwwww", maybe? ;)


I can relate to what you are saying, though.

For me the pace is not so bad - I don't mind slow as long as the story obviously goes somewhere. When it does not feel like it is going somewhere or is just "too slow" is when it drives me up the wall. For myself an example would be "Love Hina"....

[broken270]

Kazehaya really likes things to go his ay and does not want people to interfere in his attempt to have a relationship with Sawako. Having to hear it from Kent may be a bad thing, but it does not look as though he has that bad of an intention for saying it. Yes, he may have feelings for Sawako himself, but so far I am seeing this as him trying to push the right buttons, but getting all of this wrong in the end. We then see Chizuru trying to give him her insight about their relationship, and that did not bide too well either. I feel sorry for Ayane, who is probably as fed up as I am about the progress of their relationship. She seems to be the only one who truly knows what is going on and tries to compromise everything while giving her support to them. I like it how Chizuru automatically thinks of the easy and simple attempts to solve all of their problems while Ayane understands just how complicated things are and allow them to figure out the problems for themselves.

[MeoTwister5]

So episode 5 Kento has revealed his true intentions and has gone and fucked it all up. Way to go jerkwad.

[Shiroth]

This episode flowed so well, even if the wedding scene was extended so that cliffhanger could happen. I can see a lot of people disliking Kent after that last scene, but really what he sees is Sawako in pain over this whole ordeal, and he's just doing what he thinks is best. Sure it might be going a bit too far with it, though it's just the kind of guy he is. Plus it's not even known that his intentions are to get Sawako to fall for him, which i'm sure a lot of people are going to think that's his motive after watching this episode.

I absolutely loved Yano doing Chizu's make-up scene in the manga, and loved it all the more here. Shame there was no S.E.N.S. to make up that scene, though Yano's words easily push the scene forward.

Could easily get away with saying Ryu and Pin make the best combo when it comes to love advice. :heh:

So the real drama will kick start next week. Thankfully the preview didn't spoil anything for new viewers.

[ahelo]

Kent's ruining Sawako's relationship !! Damn you you're turning into an Ume.

Rages aside this is by far the best episode of the season, if not the whole series. Kent makes his move and some weird love triangle is formed. When Sawako cries like that, its hard not to want to hug her. Its time Kazehaya makes his move and obliterate the Kent threat. Or everyone just follows Yano. Life would be easier if everyone just followed Yano.

[MeoTwister5]

That Meddling Kid. (http://meotwister5.wordpress.com/2011/02/10/kimi-ni-todoke-ep5-that-meddling-kid/)

Okay so now I probably should lay off the more derogatory comments I have for Kento. Yes indeed this is his prerogative if this is what he wants to do to make Sawako fall for him, and because I operate under the general impression that he knows at least some of the goings on between the two leads, his intentions are again cast into doubt with the way she’s been trying to get closer to Sawako. However his previous conversation with Shota does suggest that he’s been testing the waters regarding the two of them, and due to Shota’s evasiveness, it would seem Kento is convinced Shota doesn’t see her “that way”, which opens the gates for him to go and make his move. In that sense Shota shares a lot of the blame in this developing triangle, that if he made his real feelings clear at least to the other guy, he’d at least know what you intend to do.

As it stands Kento thinks Shota has no intentions to date Sawako, which he sees as a go signal for him to make his move. Of course now that Shota has been put on the hot seat with Pin and Ryu’s words, he has to act lest he lose Sawako to him.

[puretsundere]

Kent's ruining Sawako's relationship !! Damn you you're turning into an Ume.
I might be the only person to think so, but the introduction of Kent did the one thing I never expected after the first season: it made me waver a bit on the Kazehaya/Sawako pairing. Can't wait to see how this supposed love-triangle plays out.

Also, turning into a Kurumi wouldn't be so bad, because Kurumi is awesome.

[LC]

I might be the only person to think so, but the introduction of Kent did the one thing I never expected after the first season: it made me waver a bit on the Kazehaya/Sawako pairing. Can't wait to see how this supposed love-triangle plays out.

Also, turning into a Kurumi wouldn't be so bad, because Kurumi is awesome.

You're not the only one. I was KazeSawa 100% up until this point. Personally, I like Kent more than Kazehaya, but Kazehaya's probably more suited for Sawako when I think about it.

Kent's probably going to be the subject of much rage after this episode, but he's really not as mischievous as Kurumi. Besides, without him, Sawako and Kazehaya would've probably just continued to drift apart until one of them moved on.

[Kanon]

This is slowly turning into Kimi ni NTR http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/6838/awesomefacesmileyorigin.gif

Jokes aside, I'm pretty sure Kento doesn't even suspect the girl Kazehaya is in love with is Sawako, therefore I can't condemn him for tying to make a move on her. It's fair game. There is one thing that irks me about him, however: it seems like he's just taking pity on Sawako. I seriously doubt he's got any romantic feelings for her.

[Shiroth]

it seems like he's just taking pity on Sawako. I seriously doubt he's got any romantic feelings for her.
I don't think it's just pity. Kent is probably just generally interested in helping her out.

[ZGMF-X10A]

This is slowly turning into Kimi ni NTR [IMG] it seems like he's just taking pity on Sawako. I seriously doubt he's got any romantic feelings for her.

If you tease a girl like that and make her cry it's most likely want to make it up to her, and he did had a lot of interest in her ever since that valentine incident. Seeing her smile when teaching the class also added more interest. So it's not because of pity but the interest of Sawako but it's no love at this point.

[Kanon]

I don't think it's just pity. Kent is probably just generally interested in helping her out.

He's just white knighting; something that was completely needless in this situation. In fact, he's only making matters worse for everyone.

If you tease a girl like that and make her cry it's most likely want to make it up to her, and he did had a lot of interest in her ever since that valentine incident. Seeing her smile when teaching the class also added more interest. So it's not because of pity but the interest of Sawako but it's no love at this point.

That's the thing. Would he have told Sawako he wanted to go out with her if she hadn't cried? He didn't even say he wanted to go out with her, only that he wouldn't mind. It really sounded like he said that out of pity to me. To him, Sawako is a poor ugly duckling in love with a prince. He's never ever considered Kazehaya could love "someone like her". This fact alone speaks tons about what he truly thinks of Sawako.

And yes, I'm sure he likes her... the same way you like a cute little puppy. I suppose I can't blame him for that, as Sawako does act like a helpless little animal most of the time, rarely (never?) able to stand up for herself. Nonetheless, that doesn't mean it's okay to assume she can't do anything on her own and that her feelings for Kazehaya are one-sided. What I like about Ayane and Chizu is that unlike Kento, they're treating Sawako as a friend, an equal; even if they are sometimes appalled by her lack of social intelligence.

[Seta19]

how random was this XD

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[Flower]

He's just white knighting....

:heh:

I wouldn't have thought of putting it like this! But I think it is appropo in many ways. :)