NicoNico Fate/Zero - Generic Discussion Thread [Archive] - Page 4

Obelisk ze Tormentor

2011-08-23, 19:24

Hm, UFOtable and TV... Ninin ga Shinobuden, Futakoi Alternative, Coyote Ragtime Show, not exactly stellar animation like their movies and OVAs, but we'll see ;)

What are you talking about? Ninin ga Shinobuden is a masterpiece :D. LOL

Anyway, I'm glad I went to this thread. Cool trailers. Hope the anime delivers. I really need some refreshment. That news about the new Hunter x Hunter being dumbed-down leave a bitter taste on my tongue.

totoum

2011-08-24, 03:57

Hm, UFOtable and TV... Ninin ga Shinobuden, Futakoi Alternative, Coyote Ragtime Show, not exactly stellar animation like their movies and OVAs, but we'll see ;)

While I'm not familiar with those shows I doubt they had whatever budget aniplex is going to give to this one.

RadiantBeam

2011-08-24, 22:23

Hm, UFOtable and TV... Ninin ga Shinobuden, Futakoi Alternative, Coyote Ragtime Show, not exactly stellar animation like their movies and OVAs, but we'll see ;)

Considering how amped up this piece of work is, they know fans will be baying for their blood if the animation isn't at least consistent and decent. :heh:

Iby

2011-08-25, 03:26

http://ameblo.jp/yutavdd/entry-10994947620.html
25 episodes.

Justice Knight

2011-08-25, 08:59

http://ameblo.jp/yutavdd/entry-10994947620.html
25 episodes.

hell yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Vicious108

2011-08-25, 12:22

So, people who've read the novel, that should be enough for a pretty faithful adaptation, right?

tsunade666

2011-08-25, 13:15

So, people who've read the novel, that should be enough for a pretty faithful adaptation, right?

It's plenty and I heard there would be more than just parts from the novel. Add on in the story that probably wouldn't ruin it but make it better. More info is better than none at all.

The novel is only 4 books and 25 is plenty to go.

MisaoFan

2011-08-25, 14:49

Klashikari

2011-08-25, 14:54

...That's just another edition.
The LN was already done on 2007.

Endscape

2011-08-25, 18:02

http://ameblo.jp/yutavdd/entry-10994947620.html
25 episodes.

THANK YOU GOD :D

No need to worry then.

RadiantBeam

2011-08-25, 19:36

http://ameblo.jp/yutavdd/entry-10994947620.html
25 episodes.

More than enough time, awesome. :D

FJ-Kowz

2011-08-25, 21:50

Rumor!

Fate/Zero Kalafina OP01

http://gendou.com/amusic/release/

LostHanyou

2011-08-26, 00:11

The novel is actually ongoing in Japan. According to the novel's website (this (http://sai-zen-sen.jp/sa/fate-zero/topics/topic/fatezero_5.html) and this (http://sai-zen-sen.jp/sa/fate-zero/topics/topic/fatezero_6.html)), the fifth and sixth volume were released. The first four volumes were re-released with new cover illustration by Takashi Takeuchi.

Yeah that doesn't make any sense, Fate/Zero was pretty conclusive and certainly wouldn't need a 5th or 6th volume.

25 episodes is enough, but I am wondering how they're going to implement Fate/Zero's storytelling. The narrative really flips between multiple groups all the time in the LN which might be a bit of a mess if done during a single episode. But here's to hoping they manage the episodes wisely!

totoum

2011-08-26, 03:15

2011 really is the year of the comeback of 2 cour :D

As for Kalafina doing the OP,I'd fully expect that since Kajiura's doing the OST

Shiroth

2011-08-26, 03:24

25 episodes is enough, but I am wondering how they're going to implement Fate/Zero's storytelling. The narrative really flips between multiple groups all the time in the LN which might be a bit of a mess if done during a single episode. But here's to hoping they manage the episodes wisely!
How about having arcs/episodes that switch between the lead? It's worked in the past.

Forsaken_Infinity

2011-08-26, 03:36

Add on in the story that probably wouldn't ruin it but make it better. More info is better than none at all.

Not too sure about that. I more or less don't like - or want - anime only fillers. But if it's canon stuff from Nasu AND Gen (very important that he is also involved since it really is more his story than Nasu's) then it can't be bad. I hope they don't ruin it either which way.

As for the presentation, following it exactly like the Novels did doesn't sound problematic to me? What's wrong with the PV switching places? I for one will be very disappointed if they mess with the awesome flow of the Novel.

tsunade666

2011-08-26, 07:58

Not too sure about that. I more or less don't like - or want - anime only fillers. But if it's canon stuff from Nasu AND Gen (very important that he is also involved since it really is more his story than Nasu's) then it can't be bad. I hope they don't ruin it either which way.

I'm not sure but I read that in the previews post of this thread that it's from the author itself so it's cannon.

LostHanyou

2011-08-26, 15:51

As for the presentation, following it exactly like the Novels did doesn't sound problematic to me? What's wrong with the PV switching places? I for one will be very disappointed if they mess with the awesome flow of the Novel.
Switching the POV 7 or so times an episode is going to be incredibly annoying, especially since some of the chapters in the LN are short and will probably contain very small amounts of content in animated form.

It's just much easier (and usually better) to focus on a few characters per episode so the viewer isn't confused or feel apathetic to the blights of so many characters shown in a short time-span. Of course there's problems with that too, I'm just pondering how they're going to work it since I see staying completely true to the novel will be impossible. It'd be great if they somehow made that work, though.

Yuna Amakura

2011-08-26, 19:52

I believe ufotable will have to "create" a flow of its own for the tv series. The flow of the novel doesn't seem to fit an animation at all.
About Kalafina doing the op, it's not really as obvious as it seems. They will release their 3rd album very close to Fate/Zero's airing date, and there are no indications that any of their new songs belong to F/Z. Also, it has already been confirmed that there's an edition that comes with a Madoka postcard, which can be pretty much a confirmation that their album does not have a F/Z song. They could instead release a single pretty close to their new album, but since there haven't been any announcements to that until now, we had pretty much given up on Kajiura having any kind of involvemente with the OP and ED. This rumor however does leave some hope, even more because I personally didn't like what I could listen of MEMORIA at all so I was hoping that at least the OP would be good.

Same_Shark

2011-08-26, 21:06

DragoZERO

2011-08-27, 08:52

2011 really is the year of the comeback of 2 cour :D

As for Kalafina doing the OP,I'd fully expect that since Kajiura's doing the OST
Yeah, I would be surprised if the composer's group didn't have at least on OP or ED here.

And good news for the two cour.

Yuna Amakura

2011-08-27, 10:10

^Again, Kajiura has worked in many series in which she didn't participated in both OP and ED. Noir, Aquarian Age, Tsubasa, Mai-Hime and Elemental Gelade are the examples.

GDB

2011-08-27, 10:42

It could be FictionJunction just as easily as Kalafina. However, it's more than likely Kalafina, since they did the OP for Kara no Kyoukai, and this project seems to be following a lot of the same patterns as that.

hoarfrost

2011-08-27, 11:48

CM3:

1QwnKOQGvXs?hd=1

The one I'd been waiting for, unfortunately kind of underwhelming compared to the first two. Just moving shots of Kotomine and Assassin standing around, however badass that still is.

Eh, I don't see the problem with a frequently changing POV. KnK5 had that and while some people complained about it I was just glad to have something out of the ordinary to keep me paying attention. But that's just me. A lot of stuff needs to be established at the beginning. It gets more infrequent as it goes on so I don't see why any major narrative changes need to be made.

Horse

2011-08-27, 11:54

It could be FictionJunction just as easily as Kalafina.

A FlyingDog artist (FJ) on a Sony/Aniplex show? I don't think so... If it's one of the two then it will certainly be Kalafina.

Yuna Amakura

2011-08-27, 13:13

Eh, I don't see the problem with a frequently changing POV. KnK5 had that and while some people complained about it I was just glad to have something out of the ordinary to keep me paying attention. But that's just me. A lot of stuff needs to be established at the beginning. It gets more infrequent as it goes on so I don't see why any major narrative changes need to be made.

In one movie it is nice but in a whole series...I don't think so.

MisaoFan

2011-08-27, 14:41

A FlyingDog artist (FJ) on a Sony/Aniplex show? I don't think so... If it's one of the two then it will certainly be Kalafina.

FictionJunction is a FlyingDog artist while Kalafina is a Sony Music artist.

Horse

2011-08-27, 16:28

FictionJunction is a FlyingDog artist while Kalafina is a Sony Music artist.

Why repeat what I already said?

MisaoFan

2011-08-28, 03:23

Why repeat what I already said?

I'm talking to Horse that he's doesn't know how FictionJunction was.

Horse

2011-08-28, 03:25

I'm talking to Horse that he's doesn't know how FictionJunction was.

You thought wrong.

A FlyingDog artist (FJ) on a Sony/Aniplex show? I don't think so... If it's one of the two then it will certainly be Kalafina.

toriko

2011-08-29, 00:34

no shirou,it will be a waste of time.

Suzuku

2011-08-29, 08:27

Official PV 2

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Haak

2011-08-29, 10:13

It certainly looks like we'll be getting Godly animation for the entire series. My word it just looks...

Kuroi Hadou

2011-08-29, 10:17

It certainly looks like we'll be getting Godly animation for the entire series. My word it just looks...

Gorgeous? :love:

Sniesk

2011-08-29, 13:34

Can't wait for it! Really wonderful quality

fertygo

2011-08-29, 18:13

Is that Shouko-tan that I'm hearing?

Yuna Amakura

2011-08-29, 19:24

^No, it's not her. It's Eir Aoi.

fertygo

2011-08-29, 19:30

^No, it's not her. It's Eir Aoi.

Ow, thanks. its sounds like her when I watch the vid :p

Ravenblitz

2011-08-29, 23:41

Megami
http://i.imgur.com/FiVFVl.jpg (http://imgur.com/FiVFV)

Same_Shark

2011-08-30, 00:37

Hopefully the animation quality doesn't drop halfway through the series.

fertygo

2011-08-30, 05:45

Hopefully the animation quality doesn't drop halfway through the series.

That's such a big hope. For TV series like this we just can hope the animation studios manage to take care their resource well enough so the "cheap" animation part/palette doesn't make our eyes bleeding, and they can balancing the luxurious shot and normal shot (cheap shot as well) throughout the series with good job.

RadiantBeam

2011-08-30, 15:28

Hopefully the animation quality doesn't drop halfway through the series.

It all depends on how they spend the budget. If they're careful with how much they use for certain episodes, they might make it through the whole series.

Shiroth

2011-08-30, 16:55

Guys, this is UFOtable. They don't know the meaning of animation drop.

Plus i can imagine the budget for this title being quite high. Probably Kara no Kyoukai high.

DragoZERO

2011-08-30, 20:53

This is going to have a big budget, but I expect to see variations in animation quality. I don't think we'll see anything as bad as the Naruto vs. Pain fight but it won't be as beautiful as Kara no Kyoukai the entire time either.

I'm thinking something like FMA:B. That had a tremendous budget and still had poor animations at certain points BUT they always came though when it counted and that's something that I do expect to see here.

On another topic... does anyone know what the popularity of this is in Japan? What I mean is, how much attention is it getting? We already have forty pages of discussion and not a single episode yet (sub-forum for the first episode, I say).

And awesome page in Megami, thanks for the share Ravenblitz.

Suzuku

2011-08-30, 21:06

On another topic... does anyone know what the popularity of this is in Japan? What I mean is, how much attention is it getting? We already have forty pages of discussion and not a single episode yet (sub-forum for the first episode, I say).
There have been 7 anime discussion threads on 2ch so far for this (7,000 posts) which is extremely good for an anime that hasn't aired yet. In any other season and year it would have definitely been the #1 most pre-hyped show. However, it falls behind Gundam AGE (43 threads so far, obligatory, most of the threads are filled with trolling, doesn't really count, etc), Haganai (the anime discussion thread technically only has 5 threads, but most of the discussion even about the anime is happening in the LN thread which is on its 87th iteration, which is like, godly for a series that hasn't even been animated yet, oh and keep in mind the fact it has 5 threads for the anime discussion is extremely impressive too especially considering it's competing with the LN thread), Persona 4 (13 threads), and Horizon (10 threads).

So yeah, it's getting a lot of attention in Japan as well, it's just not on top like it is here in the West.

GDB

2011-08-30, 21:42

We already have forty pages of discussion and not a single episode yet (sub-forum for the first episode, I say).

There's already the Fate/Stay Night subforum (as I'm sure you're aware :p), so I imagine it'd just get moved into there once it airs.

RadiantBeam

2011-08-30, 21:47

We already have forty pages of discussion and not a single episode yet (sub-forum for the first episode, I say).

As GDB mentioned, it'll probably get its own thread in the FSN sub-forum once it starts officially airing.

DragoZERO

2011-08-30, 21:56

There have been 7 anime discussion threads on 2ch so far for this (7,000 posts) which is extremely good for an anime that hasn't aired yet. In any other season and year it would have definitely been the #1 most pre-hyped show. However, it falls behind Gundam AGE (43 threads so far, obligatory, most of the threads are filled with trolling, doesn't really count, etc), Haganai (the anime discussion thread technically only has 5 threads, but most of the discussion even about the anime is happening in the LN thread which is on its 87th iteration, which is like, godly for a series that hasn't even been animated yet, oh and keep in mind the fact it has 5 threads for the anime discussion is extremely impressive too especially considering it's competing with the LN thread), Persona 4 (13 threads), and Horizon (10 threads).

So yeah, it's getting a lot of attention in Japan as well, it's just not on top like it is here in the West.Ah... that new Gundam series. Well, I do believe there are a lot more Gundam fans than Type-Moon. But it's good that it's getting attention.

I am liking the attention in the West. It makes you wonder if Realta Nua and/or the original VN would sell well in the West.

There's already the Fate/Stay Night subforum (as I'm sure you're aware :p), so I imagine it'd just get moved into there once it airs.Of course I am aware... I just wasn't sure if they were going to put it there or make a new one to prevent confusion.

RadiantBeam

2011-08-30, 22:34

Of course I am aware... I just wasn't sure if they were going to put it there or make a new one to prevent confusion.

I don't think there would be much confusion, honestly. It's always been obvious from the start that Fate/Zero is connected to FSN, even for the people who haven't read the original novels.

Malkuth

2011-08-30, 23:01

It would be way better though to have a Type-Moon subforum or at least a Fate forum, not separate from stay night, since they share many characters and setting.

lighto13

2011-08-31, 22:45

ufotable has already clearly stated that Fate/Zero will be at least
Kara no Kyoukai quality

Westlo

2011-08-31, 22:55

ufotable has already clearly stated that Fate/Zero will be at least
Kara no Kyoukai quality

Just like how Steins;Gate was movie quality.. what's with anime companies doing their best Peter Molyneux impersonation (promising the world!) when it comes to animation.

When it comes to TV Series time is not on their side.... If it was airing fortnightly like GITS SAC did back in the day and they had half of it already animated and the budget was their than yeah maybe they could pull it off.. but not with a typical airing schedule.

Ragna92

2011-08-31, 23:21

Finally an adaption of something related to Fate that looks like it's going to be good. Can't wait. ufotable please don't disappoint me.

Horse

2011-09-01, 02:29

I think it's entirely possible for Fate/zero to have Kara no Kyoukai quality as KNK, save for several stand out scenes, was generally NOT movie quality, lol.

calorie

2011-09-01, 03:33

I think it's entirely possible for Fate/zero to have Kara no Kyoukai quality as KNK, save for several stand out scenes, was generally NOT movie quality, lol.
I agree, the fights that were supposed to wow were usually the worst looking parts in a movie.

LostHanyou

2011-09-01, 04:35

I think it's entirely possible for Fate/zero to have Kara no Kyoukai quality as KNK, save for several stand out scenes, was generally NOT movie quality, lol.

Regardless of whether or not it was "movie quality" it is still far above TV anime series, even compared to recent titles.

And until we establish what movie quality is objectively, these terms are rather pointless to throw around. Suffice to say KnK still looked very good and I will be impressed if Fate/Zero does manage to look like it.

RadiantBeam

2011-09-01, 16:40

Regardless of whether or not it was "movie quality" it is still far above TV anime series, even compared to recent titles.

Oh, definitely. I don't know what kind of budget the show got, but so far all of the animation I've seen is gorgeous. Hopefully the quality will last throughout the show's run.

Ravenblitz

2011-09-02, 06:19

http://i.imgur.com/5jxBXl.jpg (http://imgur.com/5jxBX)

bahamut zero

2011-09-03, 07:37

Caster PV

UU8j3WI2cLU

Shiroth

2011-09-04, 08:16

http://i.imgur.com/5jxBXl.jpg (http://imgur.com/5jxBX)
I hope the epic Saber promotional art never stops. Oh boy.

przemoc

2011-09-04, 16:28

Caster PV
UU8j3WI2cLU

It has rather so-so quality. Below one is better (and has HD version).
Fate/Zero オリジナル番宣CM 第4弾雨生龍之介・キャスター陣営 by facili58 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0yvkuRegiY&list=PL2C434E467B56EC6C&index=5) @YT

RadiantBeam

2011-09-04, 18:24

Caster PV

UU8j3WI2cLU

I approve of this animation and the characters involved in it.

Vicious108

2011-09-04, 18:27

Is Caster's Master basically saying "You're super cool, man!"?

Looks like this duo will get along particularly well.

Yuutsu

2011-09-05, 16:22

While the events of Fate/Zero are occuring, Archer of F/SN is busy being babysitter to 2 young ojou-samas: Rin and Sakura.

So much d'aaaaaaawwwwwww going on... *sniff*

Auria

2011-09-06, 13:08

Oh god, we all know this is going to be so damn epic.

Well... actually we don't. But the PVs look very promosing. Need my type-moon fix (avoided carnival phantasm as of now).

Acadia

2011-09-07, 00:17

GDB

2011-09-07, 10:09

There are 815 comments in this sub forum and not one episode has aired yet. Wow. So yeah I'm looking forward to this one as well. Chances Crunchyroll of getting this show? What's the over/under bet so far on this one guys? :)

Zero. Last I heard, Aniplex themselves wanted to do a simulcast. Not sure how that's panning out, but that was their plan at one point.

Suzuku

2011-09-07, 17:35

^ Are you sure they didn't mean they would translate it themselves and then host the actual content through other venues, like what they do with AoEx and what Bandai does with S7?

Suzuku

2011-09-07, 18:58

A PV of MEMORIA is on Aoi Eir's site.

http://www.aoieir.com/index2.html

Sounds really good, good enough to be the OP actually. Speaking of which...still no word on it.

Haohmaru

2011-09-07, 19:49

Why is Aoi Eir covering most of her face in all the pics I found? She has beautiful eyes imo. Anyway, nice song. Can't believe this is only her first single.

She's actually not half bad www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ho6_IcWY-s. Her songs sound like something you'd use in Openings or Sakuga's.

Suzuku

2011-09-08, 06:38

The OP is called "oath sign" by LiSA. Single comes out 11/23. Also episode 1 is an hour long.

biodude711

2011-09-08, 07:01

The OP is called "oath sign" by LiSA. Single comes out 11/23. Also episode 1 is an hour long.

Hell yeah!

DragoZERO

2011-09-08, 07:50

An hour!? Damn! I sure hope the fansubbers (I expect UTW so we know we are getting a good group) are ready. There is going to be a little bit of demand for this, a little, haha.

Vicious108

2011-09-08, 13:21

Also episode 1 is an hour long.

And here I was thinking I couldn't be any more hyped for this.

Shiroth

2011-09-08, 16:33

Wow, an hour long. This first episode is going to look spectacular.

Reckoner

2011-09-08, 16:46

Hot damn. I'm excited, can it be Fall already? :p

RadiantBeam

2011-09-08, 17:00

One hour episode? Damn, they're really running with this show. :heh:

Malkuth

2011-09-08, 19:37

If it's only for the first ep. it's not that spectacular, still rare to have an 1-hr long premiere, this season only Kami-sama no Memochou had one. Nonetheless, it's a good practice on paper since there is enough time to both introduce characters and setting to n00bs, as well as get into actual content for seasoned viewers :D

Yuna Amakura

2011-09-08, 21:24

The OP is called "oath sign" by LiSA.
:dots:
Well, there's no guarantee that it will be bad but...meh. I'm also not fond at all with the ED. Too much shouthing instead of singing. Bah, Kajiura will save this musically for me, I hope.

And as for 1-hour episode, seems nice.

Suzuku

2011-09-08, 21:57

I like LiSA, she fits perfectly for the kind of tone I'm imagining the OP will have.

LostHanyou

2011-09-09, 06:14

Hour long first episode is fantastic news.

Think memoir is decent enough. At least, I liked what was on that site a lot more than the bits we heard in the trailer and PVs.

duckroll

2011-09-09, 08:20

http://i.imgur.com/KNHKu.jpg

It doesn't look like Urobuchi is writing for this series, just like I expected. All the scripts so far are credited to "ufotable" and not even a specific writer. Lol?

Archer

2011-09-09, 08:35

http://i.imgur.com/KNHKu.jpg

It doesn't look like Urobuchi is writing for this series, just like I expected. All the scripts so far are credited to "ufotable" and not even a specific writer. Lol?

The extent of which the production would go to hide the scriptwriter's name is getting pretty hilarious, really.

Suzuku

2011-09-09, 14:19

Second Key Visual has been released.

http://i.imgur.com/qfLIUl.jpg (http://imgur.com/qfLIU)

bahamut zero

2011-09-09, 14:42

second? what was the first?

Horse

2011-09-09, 16:15

Here's the version of the pic from the official site's new layout:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg35/scaled.php?server=35&filename=fatezero2.jpg&res=crop (http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1015/fatezero2.jpg)

Eh I don't like the new site layout. Did anyone save the old "top.swf" (the one from before the change) by any chance? (check your cache before going to the new site lolthx)

Haak

2011-09-09, 16:29

Second Key Visual has been released.

http://i.imgur.com/qfLIUl.jpg (http://imgur.com/qfLIU)

This is seriously not healthy for me. Pretty much every new thing they release is making me froth in the mouth with anticipation. I don't know how I'm going to react when the first episode airs...

GDB

2011-09-09, 16:35

http://i.imgur.com/KNHKu.jpg

It doesn't look like Urobuchi is writing for this series, just like I expected. All the scripts so far are credited to "ufotable" and not even a specific writer. Lol?

They tried to hide Urobuchi's involvement in Madoka as well if I recall. It may just be something he likes to do so those who don't know the source material, but know his reputation, don't get pre-spoiled with expectations.

RadiantBeam

2011-09-09, 17:12

This is seriously not healthy for me. Pretty much every new thing they release is making me froth in the mouth with anticipation. I don't know how I'm going to react when the first episode airs...

At this rate, you're probably going to pass out before the episode even ends. I'll be right there with you, though, because seriously, with all this build-up I don't know if I'll be ready for the actual first episode.

Reckoner

2011-09-09, 17:18

I decided to watch the old Fate/Stay Night anime with a friend so he could understand Fate/Zero... Boy that was a mistake. That anime was a giant piece of turd post Berserker arc (How can you adapt a VN that badly???!)

Ufotable is going to do me proud to finally see this in fully animated glory. The disparity between this and Fate/Stay Night in quality is going to be immense. I'm also dying from unreasonable expectations from this.

totoum

2011-09-09, 17:42

That image is just epic :eyespin:

While Urobuchi might not be writing the actual scripts I'm sure he has some sort of supervising role,the production staff hired Kajiura based on his recomendation so if they listen to him for that kind of stuff I'm sure they'd listen if he has something to say about the way the scripts were done.

Arabesque

2011-09-09, 17:57

They tried to hide Urobuchi's involvement in Madoka as well if I recall.The opposite actually. (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3416177&postcount=474) They made sure to stress Urobuchi's involvement in Madoka, about how he was going to personally script every episode, how they made sure they followed his word to the letter ... What they tried to do was make it seem like the show was going to be a more light hearted take than his usual tales.

In here tho ... I'm not sure what are they doing by not listing any writer ... this isn't usually a secret you'd keep close to your heart, unless they brought back who ever done the Fate/Stay Night adaptation and are afraid or something ...

Meh, anyway, I'm way to hyped at this point to really care anymore. The show already has so much awesomeness going for it I don't think there is any sort of news that can make me not look forward to it.

DragoZERO

2011-09-09, 18:27

Second Key Visual has been released.

http://i.imgur.com/qfLIUl.jpg (http://imgur.com/qfLIU)That is frakin epic. I'm getting so excited. I hope to god the airing and fansub release schedule works out with my own. :o

Mare Boy

2011-09-09, 19:40

ukulelembo

2011-09-09, 19:45

While this is pretty much a prequel series, will I need to watch Fate/Stay Night first to understand what's going on?
No, Fate/Zero is standalone! ;)

Jao

2011-09-09, 20:01

Buuut if you plan to play Fate/Stay Night after then the third route is going to be spoilt to hell for you.

DragoZERO

2011-09-09, 20:43

This anime has caught my eye for sometime now. Just to be sure though: While this is pretty much a prequel series, will I need to watch Fate/Stay Night first to understand what's going on (I also do know that one of the main protagonists is related to the main one in Stay Night though)?
It's best to play, or at least watch, Fate/stay night. It's best to experience things in the order they were released. Star Wars wouldn't be the same if you watched it starting with Episode I.

Mizuno

2011-09-10, 01:12

Was this posted?

http://i.imgur.com/RA25Wl.jpg (http://imgur.com/RA25W)

Horse

2011-09-10, 04:05

The opposite actually. (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=3416177&postcount=474) They made sure to stress Urobuchi's involvement in Madoka, about how he was going to personally script every episode, how they made sure they followed his word to the letter ... What they tried to do was make it seem like the show was going to be a more light hearted take than his usual tales.

Actually I remember in some interview they said they tried (or planned) to hide his involvement but there was a (2ch) leak of the staff several months earlier so it didn't work out.

Shiroth

2011-09-10, 04:33

Was this posted?
Don't believe it was. Thanks for doing so!

Haak

2011-09-10, 04:37

Was this posted?

No, it wasn't.

*foams*

Suzuku

2011-09-10, 08:08

It's a prequel. And I guess we just got our first taste of the OP. Hm, I'll ahve to hear more. I was expecting something more...sullen I guess.

przemoc

2011-09-10, 09:40

This looks like a Op song.
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Here you have working HD version of CM5:
37L 110910 FateZero CM type 5 by wx6867 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLQg5S-gRrw&list=PL2C434E467B56EC6C&index=6) @YT
Possibly as a bonus from wx6867, all previous CMs are shown there too (in reversed order).

---

Unfortunately music in CM5 is indeed part of OP.

LISA - oath sign

that is shown in the vid, is also mentioned in official F/Z site

http://www.fate-zero.jp/oped/index.html

It's just SO DAMN GENERIC, you can put in just any random anime out there. Why, oh, why it cannot be something with strong Kajiura's vibe like the music in PV1?

But honestly, ED (Aoi Eir - Memoria) doesn't sound much better, as it is generic one too. :(

Where are the times when OP songs were one of the best from the shows (I quite recently heard again Moonlight Densetsu from Sailor Moon and it's still great, especially original version performed by DALI [first two series]).

calorie

2011-09-10, 10:17

It's a prequel. And I guess we just got our first taste of the OP. Hm, I'll ahve to hear more. I was expecting something more...sullen I guess.
It seems kinda upbeat and explosive, did not expect that either. Haven't heard enough to draw a conclusion of course, but I think I'm going to like it...

Yuna Amakura

2011-09-10, 10:40

The OP is even worse and more generic than I expected it to be.

RadiantBeam

2011-09-10, 10:42

Looks like the user removed the video. Damn, right when I finally got a chance to check it out!

calorie

2011-09-10, 11:36

^ przemoc's link is still working

hoarfrost

2011-09-10, 12:08

That OP is seriously the first thing about this anime that I've been underwhelmed by.

GDB

2011-09-10, 12:14

Rather they cut the budget on the OP/ED than the actual content.

Suzuku

2011-09-10, 13:47

Hm? The way the OP/ED sounds has nothing to do with the budget.

GDB

2011-09-10, 14:10

I assume it would if they went with a label that didn't charge as much in the contract. Sure, said artists' songs could be different, but the contract would be lower for some. Especially the ED, since that seems to be a new singer so her value wouldn't be as high.

totoum

2011-09-10, 14:31

I assume it would if they went with a label that didn't charge as much in the contract.

Aniplex is producing the anime,aniplex is owned by sony so in general it's standard for aniplex to use artist from sony,regardless of budget.

RadiantBeam

2011-09-10, 15:01

Huh. That music is... shockingly upbeat compared to what I was expecting. Not a bad song by any means, but it doesn't seem very fitting.

Kuroi Hadou

2011-09-10, 15:31

Not a bad song by any means, but it doesn't seem very fitting.

I felt the same way about Madoka Magica's OP. :heh:

Yuna Amakura

2011-09-10, 15:43

^But Madoka's OP was a way to fool the public into believing that the anime was all flowers. This doesn't seem to be the case with F/Z.

calorie

2011-09-10, 15:59

Hell, any half-decent anime song starts to sound good after you hear it a couple of times. And this, to me, sounded half-decent.

Auria

2011-09-10, 16:13

Well, since it's a two-cour series it'll most likely get a second op/ed later. They can still play the Kajiura card there.

Aqua Knight

2011-09-10, 16:14

Lancer with 2 lances is awesome!

Yuna Amakura

2011-09-10, 16:46

Hell, any half-decent anime song starts to sound good after you hear it a couple of times. And this, to me, sounded half-decent.

Well, I believe that most people (myself included) generally do not listen to a half-decent song a couple of times, unless the person wants to force him/herself to like the song for whatever reason.

I believe I could give this song another chance if it wasn't for the Gas Helium voice.

Kuroi Hadou

2011-09-10, 17:40

^But Madoka's OP was a way to fool the public into believing that the anime was all flowers. This doesn't seem to be the case with F/Z.

Intentional or not, both have OPs completely unsuited to their atmosphere.

PzIVf3

2011-09-10, 17:45

Whats the name of the Op song?

RadiantBeam

2011-09-10, 18:07

Intentional or not, both have OPs completely unsuited to their atmosphere.

It's technically still a different situation, though. Madoka Magica was playing itself as a normal magical girl anime until things got dark. It's pretty common knowledge that Fate/Zero isn't going to be all light and happy bunnies, so the upbeat opening seems far more jarring since they aren't trying to hide anything.

Mizuno

2011-09-10, 18:20

Madoka's ED more than made up for the sugary/colourful OP though. And I agree, I'm underwhelmed by the songs they have chosen here.

Kaioshin Sama

2011-09-11, 00:40

Was this posted?

http://i.imgur.com/RA25Wl.jpg (http://imgur.com/RA25W)

Wow there's really no comparison between these character designs and the ones in the Fate/Stay Night anime. So much more detail.

calorie

2011-09-11, 01:50

Well, I believe that most people (myself included) generally do not listen to a half-decent song a couple of times, unless the person wants to force him/herself to like the song for whatever reason.
Unless it's particularly irritating, I don't skip the OP in the first couple of episodes and give it a chance, if for nothing else, then the visuals. I've no reason to force myself to like any song, but if it turns out I was wrong in not initially liking it, it can only be a plus right? In any case, 10 seconds probably isn't enough time, we should wait for the full (TV) version.

I believe I could give this song another chance if it wasn't for the Gas Helium voice.
I didn't get that impression.

fertygo

2011-09-11, 08:08

I'm actually liked what I heard from the CM about the OP, n feel the rhythm indicating OP sequence will full of blast and its will makes the OP sounds even better.

DragoZERO

2011-09-11, 08:54

I cry at the OP of Madoka now. We have to see how this OP fits. Plus we may get a second one too, so who knows.

gundestiny

2011-09-11, 10:20

An opening is an opening. You only really need to view it once; if that.. (although I'll probably watch it every time cause' it's the Fate Universe~)
Aaand I don't think it's that bad.. Pretty hard for an op to take away the epicness of a show. Just roll your eyes, skip 1:30min and continue on with the show :D

That said, omgicannotwaitforthistocomeout

GDB

2011-09-11, 12:14

By the way, with all this bashing of the OP going on... is there a full version of the TV size yet? Or is everyone basing 1:30 of an OP off of 8 seconds from a CV?

fertygo

2011-09-11, 12:27

By the way, with all this bashing of the OP going on... is there a full version of the TV size yet? Or is everyone basing 1:30 of an OP off of 8 seconds from a CV?

Yeah, they do. :heh:
Although its sounds like good fit for flashy opening sequence to me.

Auria

2011-09-11, 12:29

By the way, with all this bashing of the OP going on... is there a full version of the TV size yet? Or is everyone basing 1:30 of an OP off of 8 seconds from a CV?

Yes. It's a bit like reading the first page of a book and bashing its whole existence afterwards.

For now we have to wait and see especially how LisAs song goes with the opening visuals - imo, that can change the feeling you get from a certain song dramatically. I hope some of Angel Beats! fans get interest in Fate/Zero when they see that LisA is singing the opening, so even if we find the song to be not very fitting in the end, it still has its advantages.

/edit: Oh new page, y u no stop confusing me.

Sniesk

2011-09-12, 15:11

Is there a subbed version of the second preview?

maximilianjenus

2011-09-12, 18:21

I am more interested in the air date of the first episode, assuming it will pre-air like working!! did.

Suzuku

2011-09-12, 18:23

There has been no pre-airing announced, so the episode will air at its normal scheduled date of October 1st.

Westlo

2011-09-13, 03:23

By the way, with all this bashing of the OP going on... is there a full version of the TV size yet? Or is everyone basing 1:30 of an OP off of 8 seconds from a CV?

It's A-S man, that's how we roll! I mean you can't judge an entire song by 8 seconds?

totoum

2011-09-13, 10:54

It's A-S man, that's how we roll!

more like "it's the internet" :heh:

Those 8 seconds sound like the chorus part where the OP will be quite actiony in imagery,I'm sure there'll be a slower part to it as well.

Yuna Amakura

2011-09-13, 10:57

You guys may want to use "A S excuse", "judge a book by its first page" and so on, but the fact is that those 8 seconds have basically set the mood of the whole song. It is not like the quality of the sound was bad so we couldn't make it out, or anything like that. And okay, we haven't listened to the whole TV-size, but do you really believe it will be that different from what we got to listen? If it is, it probably means the song is a mess, since one part doesn't blend well with the other. I don't know if anyone here did this, but back when they were advertising Madoka they played 8 seconds of Magia in a CM. The case was completely different: it was nearly impossible to understand the chorus and thus it was very difficult to get an idea of what the song is about. Well, to each his own, but at least for me it is pretty obvious what kind of song this is and I personally find it bad, to say the least.

Vicious108

2011-09-13, 12:49

And okay, we haven't listened to the whole TV-size, but do you really believe it will be that different from what we got to listen? If it is, it probably means the song is a mess, since one part doesn't blend well with the other.

Wow. Seriously? You haven't even heard any of the other "parts" other than those 8 seconds, how would you know if they don't blend well?

And since when does a song have to be completely homogeneous to not be a mess anyway.

biodude711

2011-09-13, 13:18

I'm not going to jump on the bandwagon and base my opinion on the OP on an 8 second segment, that's just stupid.
I'll respectfully withhold my opinion on the OP until it is released in it's ENTIRETY.

maximilianjenus

2011-09-13, 15:47

I watched loli sakura getting raped by worms in one of the trailers so I am going to assume this is some sick, disgusting hentai and will tell all other people so they avoid this series.

Proto

2011-09-13, 16:01

I think it may just have the opposite effect. :p

LostHanyou

2011-09-13, 16:02

Awful lot of denying these themes really do not sound as dark as presumed.

Not that I care, I still like Memoria.

fertygo

2011-09-13, 16:07

Awful lot of denying these themes really do not sound as dark as presumed.

Not that I care, I still like Memoria.

Ah I see, this is basically the ranting of "Bring me Kalafina dammit!"

Point noted. Should realize it LOL, and the excuse can't be more lame.

zero7

2011-09-13, 16:21

I watched loli sakura getting raped by worms in one of the trailers so I am going to assume this is some sick, disgusting hentai and will tell all other people so they avoid this series.

seeing what happened to Sakura, the person that send her there got what coming for them and all that just for making one future head of the family

Kaioshin Sama

2011-09-13, 17:03

People are more than entitled to making initial impressions on the song itself based on what they've heard in the PV, but I kind of prefer to make the final call on the opening version once I've seen the opening proper. A lot can change with just a little editing and good visuals to go with the song itself. I've heard songs that failed to leave much of an impression initially become far more enjoyable once I've seen the way they're intended to work with the opening visuals the same way I've seen decent songs made mediocre by poor matching to the material and lame visuals in the video.

RadiantBeam

2011-09-13, 17:34

Cosmic Eagle

2011-09-16, 07:58

I can't help picturing Yui singing the OP at some convention while the anime plays overhead :heh:

Awful lot of denying these themes really do not sound as dark as presumed.

Umm.....So?

Kalafina's music in KnK isn't dark and all yet I don't see anyone complaining. Just because it isn't Kaijiura and her band is it?

Tiresias

2011-09-16, 21:26

Oh, I definitely will say it sounds like a very good song. I'm sure when it's matched with a fully animated OP, it will make more sense. It just sounds a bit more upbeat than what I was expecting, is all. It's not a bad thing by any means, in fact I'll probably want it on my iPod as soon as I hear it.

"Upbeat"? Are we talking about the song that popped halfway through the second PV? I mean, it's not exactly dark or despairing but "upbeat"? I can't sense any confidence, happiness or just general positivism from it! :twitch:

RB, you need to grow flowers or something uplifting; water down that angst inside you a little. Right now there's just too much of it in you and I think anything less than uber-dark stories would count as "upbeat" :heh:

RadiantBeam

2011-09-16, 21:59

RB, you need to grow flowers or something uplifting; water down that angst inside you a little. Right now there's just too much of it in you and I think anything less than uber-dark stories would count as "upbeat" :heh:

Well, it didn't sound sad.... :heh:

Haak

2011-09-17, 04:30

Kalafina's music in KnK isn't dark and all yet I don't see anyone complaining. Just because it isn't Kaijiura and her band is it?

As far as i can rmemeber, it was only Sprinter that wasn't dark. All the others had a dark or at least a fitting tone.

Suzuku

2011-09-17, 08:17

Berserker's PV (CM 6)

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biodude711

2011-09-17, 08:37

I'm curious, can anyone translate the text and dialogue in Berserker's PV?

hoarfrost

2011-09-17, 10:06

Whoops, nevermind...

Kalafina's music in KnK isn't dark and all yet I don't see anyone complaining. Just because it isn't Kaijiura and her band is it?

...Did you and I watch the same series called Kara no Kyoukai or is one of us very mistaken? If there are any non-dark, mysterious tunes used they are very much in the minority.

relentlessflame

2011-09-17, 16:24

Avatar of Dreams

2011-09-17, 22:05

I'm curious, can anyone translate the text and dialogue in Berserker's PV?

There's nothing special. Kariya just says "Yea you'll see them again. I promise" (talking to Sakura about Rin and Aoi). And his other line is "wait for me Sakura".

The text at the end just says the show begins its broadcast starting October 1st, and will be broadcasted every Saturday at midnight. First episode is an 1 hour special.

And then it lists the character's names and their seiyuus.

biodude711

2011-09-17, 22:06

There's nothing special. Kariya just says "Yea you'll see them again. I promise" (talking to Sakura about Rin and Aoi). And his other line is "wait for me Sakura".

The text at the end just says the show begins its broadcast starting October 1st, and will be broadcasted every Friday at midnight. First episode is an 1 hour special.

And then it lists the character's names and their seiyuus.

Thank you!

Tiresias

2011-09-17, 22:21

First episode is an 1 hour special.

Hell yeah! :D

LostHanyou

2011-09-18, 00:24

Kalafina's music in KnK isn't dark and all yet I don't see anyone complaining.
:heh:

Kariya sounds creepy and awesome... Can't wait to see some of his scenes. Berserker too. This was the best PV so far IMO even though it's only like 10 seconds still.

Vicious108

2011-09-18, 02:22

Guys, when someone posts a spoiler hint like that, for heaven's sake do not confirm it. :rolleyes: I can tell you that, as an outsider, I would have had absolutely no clue what would have been spoiled and would never have noticed until you people explained the spoiler in the subsequent posts. What's obvious to you as novel readers is not necessarily obvious at all to anime-only viewers.

So if someone posts a spoiler, please just report it, and don't comment. People who confirm spoilers will be warned/infracted/banned for the spoiler.

...I'm an anime-only viewer who's never read a single line of the novels and I instantly realised what I'd just been spoiled there. You really don't need to have read the novels for something like that, it was but a simple matter of connecting the dots to anyone even remotely familiarised with the main concept of the Fate/ franchise.

But all right, I'm glad such a precaution's being implemented, even if it probably won't get rid of spoilers all together.

Cosmic Eagle

2011-09-18, 07:43

Whoops, nevermind...

...Did you and I watch the same series called Kara no Kyoukai or is one of us very mistaken? If there are any non-dark, mysterious tunes used they are very much in the minority.

Tell me if the lyrics sound dark and gloomy to you or actually uplifting?

Seriously....you would call something like Aria or Kizuato dark? I don't know about you but KnK music is some of the most hope-filled and positive stuff I have ever heard.

For a dark song....Magia...now that is a dark song.

:heh:

.

Beneath Kaijiura's compositions do you even know the meaning of the songs or what they are trying to convey?

Kouvley

2011-09-18, 10:52

For those with Nico accounts the full PV for Memoria is up. :)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15637073

edit: also up on youtube now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOBmkW2601U

konart

2011-09-18, 11:18

biodude711

2011-09-18, 11:27

Thanks for the nico link. While I really like this song, I just can't imagine in anime like F/Z. In any battle anime actually.

I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason that this song was chosen. We'll just have to wait until October 1st to see how it'll fit in with the rest of the show.

RadiantBeam

2011-09-18, 20:07

darkchibi07

2011-09-19, 09:29

gundestiny

2011-09-19, 22:43

For those with Nico accounts the full PV for Memoria is up. :)

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15637073

edit: also up on youtube now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOBmkW2601U

You know, I think the song actually fits quite nicely as the ending theme of Fate/Zero.
I mean, it's better than "Anataga ita mori" which was the ending to Fate/Stay Night.

This theme is darker, and I can imagine the intro of the song starting up as a cliffhanger or something dramatic starts happening at the end of an episode.

(Plus, it's catchy xD)

DragoZERO

2011-09-20, 12:15

It's a great song and it gives good juxtaposition and comparison to the mood of the series.

darkchibi07

2011-09-20, 21:38

IT BEGINS!!!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-09-20/aniplex-to-stream-fate/zero-worldwide-in-8-languages

biodude711

2011-09-20, 21:39

IT BEGINS!!!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-09-20/aniplex-to-stream-fate/zero-worldwide-in-8-languages

8 languages?! Holy shit, they're really going all out with this one.

DragoZERO

2011-09-20, 21:47

That's awesome. I hope the TL is better than the Garden of Sinners... "Mr. Kokutou" *shudder* I don't know how Durarara was, so yeah.

And how is NicoNico? I've never watched anything on there.

Kagayaki

2011-09-20, 21:55

The scrolling onscreen comments are fun, IMO. There's not enough space on the screen to actually say more than a few phrases at a time, but you get to see everyone else's reactions to stuff. It's sort of like watching the show with a whole bunch of people in an IM chatroom. Or if you don't like them, you can turn them off and it works just like any other streaming site.

Master_Yoma

2011-09-20, 22:18

IT BEGINS!!!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-09-20/aniplex-to-stream-fate/zero-worldwide-in-8-languages

That sweet now that only need to say there going to dub it in 8 languages next or at less english

hoarfrost

2011-09-20, 22:40

Not sure how I feel about this. Has NN updated their video quality since the beta version? If not..uh...

RadiantBeam

2011-09-20, 23:02

8 languages?! Holy shit, they're really going all out with this one.

Considering how anticipated the show has been, I figure they want to cover all their bases and make sure they miss nothing.

Archer

2011-09-21, 00:18

http://ch.nicovideo.jp/channel/fate-zero

So uh...

I dunno about you guys, but these are some QUALITY translations here.

...Wizard Killer. :heh:

applejuice

2011-09-21, 00:54

^ I looked at Korean translation from that. Grammar is bad, but acceptable.

Tailong

2011-09-21, 06:28

http://ch.nicovideo.jp/channel/fate-zero

:

"This story has only been stated in fragment in the [Fate/stay night]. It is the veracity of the Duel over the 4th Holy Grail, took place a decade before. Here reveals the truth of the battle that involved Shirou’s foster father, Rin’s father, ,and YOUNG KIREI KOTONIME THE HERO"

Um....Hero?!?!?!....

hoarfrost

2011-09-21, 07:00

Not comprehending his vocation, this perplexed wizard kept asking himself ; Why this incantation was given to him?

ಠ_ಠ

Someone needs to give these people some notes on established terminology.

I was already worried about QUALITY video, now QUALITY tl too?

Kanon

2011-09-21, 07:07

The french translation is actually pretty good. They still say Kotomine is the hero of the story though, so there's most likely a problem with the original summary.

Klashikari

2011-09-21, 07:37

The original japanese text doesn't mention 主人公 or anything similar.
That part really comes from nowhere I guess.

TwilightsCall

2011-09-21, 09:04

To be fair, the rest of the summary makes it seem like the story is about Kirei and that Kiritsugu is the bad guy, so if they had absolutely no background knowledge at all, its a reasonable mistake.

Still made me laugh though xD

maximilianjenus

2011-09-21, 09:31

Well, if you compare their actions it's hard to pinpoint a hero.

and kotomine was much less of an asshole than kiritsugu

Auria

2011-09-21, 11:14

German translation is okay. A few small grammar mistakes (though I have to admit they sound more like a translation machine than the usual mistakes foreigners make...) and the terminology (Servant, Master, Holy Grail war bleh) is a bit weird but you can get the full content from the translation.

And about the hero stuff, in this translation they say Shirous foster father, Rin's father and the young Kirei Kotomine are the heroes of the story, so it's probably more meant in terms of main character and such

Avatar of Dreams

2011-09-21, 11:51

"This story has only been stated in fragment in the [Fate/stay night]. It is the veracity of the Duel over the 4th Holy Grail, took place a decade before. Here reveals the truth of the battle that involved Shirou’s foster father, Rin’s father, ,and YOUNG KIREI KOTONIME THE HERO"

Um....Hero?!?!?!....

Lol it doesn't mention the word "hero" at all in the Japanese version. The line translates to: "The truth behind the battle that unfolded between Shirou's foster father, Rin's father, and a young Kotomine Kirei is now revealed!"
I really have no idea where they got the word "hero" from...

Not comprehending his vocation, this perplexed wizard kept asking himself ; Why this incantation was given to him?

Hahaha this is such a great translation. I actually had to look up what "vocation" means. And I like how 令呪 (Command Seal/Spell) becomes "incantation". I bet 宝具 (Noble Phantasm) ends up being translated as "treasured tool" or something :)

Haak

2011-09-21, 11:53

Lol it doesn't mention the word "hero" at all in the Japanese version. The line translates to: "The truth behind the battle that unfolded between Shirou's foster father, Rin's father, and a young Kotomine Kirei is now revealed!"
I really have no idea where they got the word "hero" from...

The guy translating it was blatantly a Kotomine fan. :D

Vicious108

2011-09-21, 13:52

Kotomine is my hero, so that's a pretty good translation IMO.

maximilianjenus

2011-09-21, 15:35

fuck yes best translation ever.

lighto13

2011-09-22, 02:39

T_T why isnt kalafina singing OP or ED...
ill be looking forward to the Kajiura-composed
OST volumes i guess...

Tiresias

2011-09-22, 03:47

Somehow that song felt better before knowing the full version...I miss Tainaka Sachi :(

Btw, it's for the ending right? Is the opening out yet?

RadiantBeam

2011-09-22, 16:36

Btw, it's for the ending right? Is the opening out yet?

So far there hasn't been any announcement for the OP. Seems kind of odd, but I guess it's one of those things they want to keep hidden until the show starts.

Horse

2011-09-22, 17:40

So far there hasn't been any announcement for the OP. Seems kind of odd, but I guess it's one of those things they want to keep hidden until the show starts.

What are you two... talking about? Considering the opening's been announced for 2 or 3 weeks.

Malkuth

2011-09-22, 18:05

@translation:
YOU FAIL IT
-YOUR SKILL IS NOT ENOUGH-
-SEE YOU NEXT TIME-
-BYE-BYE-

Tiresias

2011-09-22, 19:43

What are you two... talking about? Considering the opening's been announced for 2 or 3 weeks.

"Oath Sign" can be listened now? Where? I've been out of touch with the news for a while :heh:, and all I know is that Memoria (aka. the song that popped up on the second PV) was the ED

GDB

2011-09-22, 19:44

Miscommunication there. It was announced, but as you thought it has not been released in any form.

sharingan0619

2011-09-23, 21:37

so i think in terms of the release date we're looking at october? any new material other than the PV?

Suzuku

2011-09-24, 12:36

Archer's PV (CM 7)

xdiFGaWUaSY

Vicious108

2011-09-24, 15:09

Dat Gil. <3

ZASHU!

RadiantBeam

2011-09-24, 22:13

Miscommunication there. It was announced, but as you thought it has not been released in any form.

Oh, has it? Odd, I hadn't heard anything about it until now. That's what I get for losing track of this thread for long periods of time, I guess. :heh:

Westlo

2011-09-24, 22:56

T_T why isnt kalafina singing OP or ED...

Good chance of the second OP/ED being a Kalafina song I guess....

.:Jason:.

2011-09-24, 22:59

Kaiba

2011-09-24, 23:57

So, um, would I be lost if I go into this series blindly (i.e not knowing anything about the Fate series in general outside of the brief summary/premise for Fate/Zero)? If so, how lost would I be or is it easy to pick up?

I think it will be possible to understand it. Especially since I suspect given the massive hype surrounding this show, they'll make it so that those who haven't seen FsN can understand it.

Actually, now that I think about it, what exactly is going to be spoiled for those people aside from:

Sakura's true role?

Tailong

2011-09-24, 23:59

So, um, would I be lost if I go into this series blindly (i.e not knowing anything about the Fate series in general outside of the brief summary/premise for Fate/Zero)? If so, how lost would I be or is it easy to pick up?

IMO you should be fine just watching fate zero, you get a more background story if you play the Visual Novel or watch the anime... though you might be disappointed with the anime cause it was poorly made....

Suzuku

2011-09-25, 08:01

jeroz

2011-09-25, 08:55

TwilightsCall

2011-09-25, 09:39

Cherry_Lover

2011-09-25, 16:12

Kaiba pretty much nailed it as far as spoilers go. I think watching fate/zero without having any background knowledge at all might be kind of cool, since unlike anyone who has seen any FSN you wont know what the ending is going to be from episode one xP

There's other stuff that I think it would spoiler in FSN, actually. Anything involving the Matou family, certainly, and anything involving Kotomine. However, I think it should be mostly understandable to people who have not played the game, since it's a prequel.

DragoZERO

2011-09-25, 16:17

Except it'd ruin part of the fun of Fate/stay night. I say watch Fate/stay night and then Fate/Zero.

Go in order of release, not chronological order.

Ragna92

2011-09-25, 17:06

Watch Fate/Zero, and then go play the VN after.

Tiresias

2011-09-25, 21:04

Except it'd ruin part of the fun of Fate/stay night. I say watch Fate/stay night and then Fate/Zero.

Go in order of release, not chronological order.

But the FSN anime was mediocre, and watching it might make one think that Fate/Zero will be mediocre as well.

I say play the visual novel before watching F/Z, or just go straight to Fate/Zero. The first episode is supposed to be a one-hour special, so one can judge whether they would like this series or not by the long introduction material.

Reckoner

2011-09-26, 00:56

But the FSN anime was mediocre, and watching it might make one think that Fate/Zero will be mediocre as well.

I say play the visual novel before watching F/Z, or just go straight to Fate/Zero. The first episode is supposed to be a one-hour special, so one can judge whether they would like this series or not by the long introduction material.

This. I tried showing my friend F/S N, but all it ended up doing is make him extremely skeptical due to how bad the F/S N anime was.

Horse

2011-09-26, 04:04

These pics from episode 1 were on the official site for a moment - don't know why they aren't ATM.

http://6109.jp/images/fate-zero/zero01.png
http://6109.jp/images/fate-zero/zero02.png
http://6109.jp/images/fate-zero/zero03.png
http://6109.jp/images/fate-zero/zero04.png
http://6109.jp/images/fate-zero/zero05.png
http://6109.jp/images/fate-zero/zero06.png
http://6109.jp/images/fate-zero/zero07.png
http://6109.jp/images/fate-zero/zero08.png

Suzuku

2011-09-26, 04:06

The art looks too good to be an anime, let a lone a TV anime...I mean, that shot of Saber looks like it was picked out of a VN still shot. And good lord the backgrounds...

.:Jason:.

2011-09-26, 05:54

And to think it starts airing Saturday. Pity the only way to watch the official subs is through Niconico.

calorie

2011-09-26, 06:42

The art looks too good to be an anime, let a lone a TV anime...I mean, that shot of Saber looks like it was picked out of a VN still shot. And good lord the backgrounds...
I don't remember ever seeing such high quality art in a visual novel...

Those screenshots look stunning.

applejuice

2011-09-26, 07:11

So they've finally revealed that the Series Composer is....Urobuchi.

http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-4180.html

I don't really understand why they felt like they should keep it a secret but whatever. WIN.
First of all, that's a false info. That's a typo by company;
Reason 1: http://www.fate-zero.jp/news/index.html#n244857
Reason 2:
http://i.imgur.com/hZrMc.jpg
Rough TS: I'm not series composer, but I do had a lot of control over how story is told.

...

Anyway, its premiere seems to be getting extremely good reviews;
http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-4180.html
They say even though there wasn't any battle sequence, the art was top notch, tension was immense.

Iby

2011-09-26, 11:58

BTW that screenshot with Saber is from opening.

DragoZERO

2011-09-26, 15:24

This. I tried showing my friend F/S N, but all it ended up doing is make him extremely skeptical due to how bad the F/S N anime was.I agree that it was bad, but not everyone can finish the entire visual novel in time for this series, so yeah.

Vicious108

2011-09-26, 15:51

...This series was first announced like 9 months ago. Anyone who truly wanted to finish the Visual Novel beforehand has had plenty of time to do so already.

.:Jason:.

2011-09-26, 16:13

...This series was first announced like 9 months ago. Anyone who truly wanted to finish the Visual Novel beforehand has had plenty of time to do so already.

Assuming you knew of the series existence before then, sure. I only just found out about it a week or so ago , personally.

Reckoner

2011-09-26, 16:32

Well if what other people say is true, it isn't necessary to read or watch F/S N for this. Judging by the huge amount of hype they're churning into this work, I think Ufotable is trying to make it as accessible as possible.

Endscape

2011-09-26, 16:34

ykf566

2011-09-26, 17:11

FSN most definitely shouldn't be a factor. I dislike both anime and visual novel and i absolutely can't wait for Fate/Zero

applejuice

2011-09-26, 20:44

FSN most definitely shouldn't be a factor. I dislike both anime and visual novel and i absolutely can't wait for Fate/Zero

Yep.

Fate/Zero > Entire fate franchise
Urobuchi > Nasu

Jarmel

2011-09-26, 22:48

applejuice

2011-09-27, 00:03

ufotable staffs are mostly young and very talented, but not restricted by conservative mindset by older animators. Typemoon is extremely lucky for getting a hand with Iwakami and ufotable, instead of shitty deen and fuckin JC.

przemoc

2011-09-27, 10:31

I found it a bit hilarious how many of you here tell how brilliantly F/Z looks by commenting 320x180 (!) pics... (It was similar earlier with some crappy camrips of PVs). Please, be reasonable.

Yes, we've seen HD CMs, SD PVs, many magazine scans etc. so we know it will look very good, but it's still unknown, though, whether it will be 1080p quality or just 720p like in case of KnK, because 1080i CMs aren't telling much now (actually they make me quite suspicious of this alleged top-notch quality, but they're TV rips, so we have to wait for BDs to be sure).

Suzuku

2011-09-27, 18:21

Holy Jesus, that's movie level quality easily. This must have a cost a fortune to produce. They really don't half ass things at ufotable do they? Good god.
It's really Aniplex who deserves the majority of the praise. It's obvious they're putting a fuckton of money behind this production. The level of advertising and quality of the production itself is just insane, especially considering the first episode is an hour long and the anime itself is still going to be 25 episodes. If this were Geneon instead of Aniplex, you wouldn't be seeing even half the quality that's in those shots, even if they contracted ufotable. I'm surprised that they haven't put an ad for Fate/Zero in the Nikkei Newspaper yet, seeing as how they're just throwing money at this. It's also cool how they're being extremely progressive and simulcasting it in 8 different languages (wish they had picked a better venue for it though). It's just...insane, I can't stop saying it. This may be the most expensive production of the year...they're really betting that this will bring in bucket loads of cash. That said, the animators at ufotable surely should be praised for producing something of this quality, I don't think DEEN would have been able to produce something like this even if they were given just as big a budget.

I found it a bit hilarious how many of you here tell how brilliantly F/Z looks by commenting 320x180 (!) pics... (It was similar earlier with some crappy camrips of PVs). Please, be reasonable.

Yes, we've seen HD CMs, SD PVs, many magazine scans etc. so we know it will look very good, but it's still unknown, though, whether it will be 1080p quality or just 720p like in case of KnK, because 1080i CMs aren't telling much now (actually they make me quite suspicious of this alleged top-notch quality, but they're TV rips, so we have to wait for BDs to be sure).
Call me a noob, but I fail to see what resolution has to do with overall animation quality...

Jarmel

2011-09-27, 23:02

It's really Aniplex who deserves the majority of the praise. It's obvious they're putting a fuckton of money behind this production. The level of advertising and quality of the production itself is just insane, especially considering the first episode is an hour long and the anime itself is still going to be 25 episodes. If this were Geneon instead of Aniplex, you wouldn't be seeing even half the quality that's in those shots, even if they contracted ufotable. I'm surprised that they haven't put an ad for Fate/Zero in the Nikkei Newspaper yet, seeing as how they're just throwing money at this. It's also cool how they're being extremely progressive and simulcasting it in 8 different languages (wish they had picked a better venue for it though). It's just...insane, I can't stop saying it. This may be the most expensive production of the year...they're really betting that this will bring in bucket loads of cash. That said, the animators at ufotable surely should be praised for producing something of this quality, I don't think DEEN would have been able to produce something like this even if they were given just as big a budget.

Call me a noob, but I fail to see what resolution has to do with overall animation quality...

This is confirmed to be 25 episodes? Is there even enough material for that? Also I highly and I mean HIGHLY doubt they can keep even remotely close to that quality level throughout. Some of those shots are some of the best work I've seen in anime, period. I mean there are other components such as motion, choreography, and whatnot but the backgrounds themselves are off the charts.

As I said, I'm aware that Aniplex is pumping ungodly amounts of money into this. If this is indeed 25 episodes and they keep this quality level, I wouldn't be surprised to find out this was the most expensive anime ever produced. However as you also stated, ufotable does deserve alot of credit for this. Very few studios even with the proper money and time could pull something like this off. The only three I could think of is KyoAni, Madhouse, and Production IG. Even then I have my doubts as to whether Madhouse and Production IG could pull this off.

lighto13

2011-09-27, 23:22

watch kara no kyoukai and you will know the quality that
ufotable has, and pretty consistently.
they did make a a few of the films in roughly a short time, and yet
superb quality

Archer

2011-09-27, 23:32

This is confirmed to be 25 episodes? Is there even enough material for that? Also I highly and I mean HIGHLY doubt they can keep even remotely close to that quality level throughout. Some of those shots are some of the best work I've seen in anime, period. I mean there are other components such as motion, choreography, and whatnot but the backgrounds themselves are off the charts.

As I said, I'm aware that Aniplex is pumping ungodly amounts of money into this. If this is indeed 25 episodes and they keep this quality level, I wouldn't be surprised to find out this was the most expensive anime ever produced. However as you also stated, ufotable does deserve alot of credit for this. Very few studios even with the proper money and time could pull something like this off. The only three I could think of is KyoAni, Madhouse, and Production IG. Even then I have my doubts as to whether Madhouse and Production IG could pull this off.

It's not going to be as expensive as you or several other people think it is. Take a look at the screenshots again, and you'd notice that there's a LOT of CG trickery going on in those. It's especially noticeable in the background behind Tokiomi, where you have a small number of textures simply repeating one after another.

One of the skills that ufotable picked up during the development of Kara no Kyoukai was the blending of CG and drawn animation together to reduce the amount of effort necessary for an animation scene. Several stills and detailed objects are rendered in CG, then drawn over manually to make it appear like it was hand drawn. There's the usage of bright colors in animation heavy scenes to distract from animation inconsistencies. There's a lot of shortcuts that ufotable has learned to do with those movies to save time and budget, and they're simply applying it to TV anime.

Not to say that these shortcuts aren't impressive, since they tend to blend in naturally and you wouldn't notice them at a first glance. It's a rather unorthodox method to be sure, but if that makes it appear "movie-quality", then I'm really all for it. It still will also cost a pretty penny too, but don't really think for a second that this would really completely break the bank so to speak.

Suzuku

2011-09-27, 23:47

Yeah, I noticed that the backgrounds seem to have too much depth to them. And you can clearly see CG in some of the CMs (the clouds in Rider and Velvet's CM, the metal things in Lancer and Archibald's CM, even the Gate of Babylon in Archer and Tohsaka's CM. Even so, this is the best CG work I've seen in anime. I hope more studios adopt ufotable's techniques, because they KNOW how to actually use CG to not only cut costs but also make scenes look absolutely stunning.

This is confirmed to be 25 episodes? Is there even enough material for that?
Not like Aniplex hasn't done it before with DRRR!!, using 24 eps for only 3 novels. That said, I recall Urobuchi saying that the anime would include things that were not in the novels, so I'm sure they will fill out the blanks.

Tiresias

2011-09-27, 23:48

This is confirmed to be 25 episodes?

AFAIK it'll be only twelve (thirteen if you count the first one-hour special as separate. Maybe/hopefully so will the finale)

Jarmel

2011-09-28, 00:03

It's not going to be as expensive as you or several other people think it is. Take a look at the screenshots again, and you'd notice that there's a LOT of CG trickery going on in those. It's especially noticeable in the background behind Tokiomi, where you have a small number of textures simply repeating one after another.

One of the skills that ufotable picked up during the development of Kara no Kyoukai was the blending of CG and drawn animation together to reduce the amount of effort necessary for an animation scene. Several stills and detailed objects are rendered in CG, then drawn over manually to make it appear like it was hand drawn. There's the usage of bright colors in animation heavy scenes to distract from animation inconsistencies. There's a lot of shortcuts that ufotable has learned to do with those movies to save time and budget, and they're simply applying it to TV anime.

Not to say that these shortcuts aren't impressive, since they tend to blend in naturally and you wouldn't notice them at a first glance. It's a rather unorthodox method to be sure, but if that makes it appear "movie-quality", then I'm really all for it. It still will also cost a pretty penny too, but don't really think for a second that this would really completely break the bank so to speak.

Yes there is definitely use of CG for some of the backgrounds but CG isn't cheap and then you're talking about modifications to said CG. As you already said, they used it extensively in KnK so I'm sure they are pretty familiar with how it works which might cut back on costs. Obviously we'll have to wait until after the first couple of episodes to see how much CG is used and how well they animate motion and battle scenes. I just can't see this being cheap in any remote sense. From what we've also seen from other CVs even the character models themselves seem to be insanely detailed(looking at Saber in full battle armor and Berserker).

So, in regards to the episode count, we have no clue how many episodes there are? However the good money is on 12/13?

Suzuku

2011-09-28, 00:19

AFAIK it'll be only twelve (thirteen if you count the first one-hour special as separate. Maybe/hopefully so will the finale)

So, in regards to the episode count, we have no clue how many episodes there are? However the good money is on 12/13?
No, it's confirmed to be 25 episodes.

tvk episode listings:

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/nanamibeya/20110822/p1

Fate/Zero・・・全２５話（tvk）

Tiresias

2011-09-28, 01:27

No, it's confirmed to be 25 episodes.

tvk episode listings:

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/nanamibeya/20110822/p1

Fate/Zero・・・全２５話（tvk）

Huh. that's news for me.

And it worried me, TBH. The material is plenty, but not enough to fill 25 eps IMO...:uhoh:

applejuice

2011-09-28, 01:32

Talking about CG, just remember how Angel Beats was faking their quality using half-assed CGs. ufotable is using it as a 'productive' mean, not like angel shit.

When people say 'movie quality', it is basing the opinion for 2chers who actually went to premiere event and said that 'exact' words. So, there is no doubt about it. Blah Blah Blah.

It's not going to be as expensive as you or several other people think it is. Take a look at the screenshots again, and you'd notice that there's a LOT of CG trickery going on in those. It's especially noticeable in the background behind Tokiomi, where you have a small number of textures simply repeating one after another.You call it 'trickery'?

I call it 'clever directions'.

Westlo

2011-09-28, 04:50

Archer you forgot to mention the ufotable motion blurring!

I don't think DEEN would have been able to produce something like this even if they were given just as big a budget.

As a TV series more than likely not, but I'm more impressed by DEENs animation in Read or Die OVA than ufotable's in KnK. Also if given enough time and budget even mediocre studio's can rise to the occasion. Look @ Artland and their work over the last 10 years. Mushishi is by far the clear standout (and not just in animation), Artland hired a lot of gun freelance animators for that series and it was completely animated in 2s which is is rare as fuck for TV anime which is primarly done in 3s.

applejuice

2011-09-28, 08:22

As a TV series more than likely not, but I'm more impressed by DEENs animation in Read or Die OVA than ufotable's in KnK. Also if given enough time and budget even mediocre studio's can rise to the occasion. Look @ Artland and their work over the last 10 years. Mushishi is by far the clear standout (and not just in animation), Artland hired a lot of gun freelance animators for that series and it was completely animated in 2s which is is rare as fuck for TV anime which is primarly done in 3s.Oh yes, Mushishi. That's just god damn impossible. I couldn't believe that there was no CG at all in that series.

From my knowledge, ufotable is a group who are even more obsessed with Sakuga than Kyoani, due to younger average age of animators. So we can expect something.

Westlo

2011-09-28, 08:42

Oh yes, Mushishi. That's just god damn impossible. I couldn't believe that there was no CG at all in that series.

Mushishi was my first Artland series, you could imagine my disappointment as I checked out the rest of their works lol.

LostHanyou

2011-09-28, 14:10

Please tell me I'm not the only one who squee'd at Rin.

alumnox

2011-09-29, 11:13

Hi... this might be off topic but since this is the only thread that seems active I decide to post my question here in hopes someone can help me.

Believe it or not just a few minutes ago I finished playing Fate/Stay night pc version with the English patch and start reading the fate /zero novel but a question is tormenting my soul .

In the end of the heavens feel ending Rider tells Tohsaka that she needs to talk to her in private and Tohosaka says that they can chat at her house the next day.

What is Rider question or about ? what they need to talk about ?