Fate/Zero - Generic Discussion Thread

[Leo_Otaku]

Reports from here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-21/fate/zero-novel-gets-anime

I'm just looking forward to Gilgamesh is all I can say >.> And that ufotable is doing the animation too!

[Angrypokstick]

official website.
http://www.fate-zero.jp/

[Kaisos Erranon]

ufotable is doing the animation too!

THANK GOD

Well, I just hope that it's an OVA series.

[Shiroth]

This is quite possibly the greatest news ever. Saber in a suit animated by Ufotable.. fffffffff.

[fertygo]

Greatest news ever.

Kara no Kyoukai format pl0x.

[Village Idiot]

Zero Berserker
Zero Rider
Kiritsugu

Good god we'll finally see these three utter badasses animated.

[Aqua Knight]

Then they should do the last route of the novel too.( I mean Heaven's Feel)
But I never expected from Fate universe to be animated after the movie, but anyways great news.

[ShiroiRyu]

We don' have the mother our little snow girl animated too ? *___*
Murasaki : I think the movie was good or well received no ?
So it's just a good thing. But for Heaven Feel animated ... Not sure if it's "possible" ... Because the story of Sakura is really violent.

[seiftis]

Oh mai. Looking forward to this. Ufotable! <33

[Haak]

YESSSSS!!!!! FUCK YES!!!!!!

Oh my fucking God. I can't wait...

[ZODDGUTS]

Thank god. Ufotable is animating this. :cool:

[applejuice]

This is,

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The best news,

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Ever

[PzIVf3]

I cant wait to see this.
http://d.imagehost.org/0186/129291191776516104749_13bvmd-1-86f1.jpg (http://d.imagehost.org/view/0186/129291191776516104749_13bvmd-1-86f1) http://d.imagehost.org/0705/129291611048716304182_13ui10-1-59cf.jpg (http://d.imagehost.org/view/0705/129291611048716304182_13ui10-1-59cf)

[Kanon]

HELL YEAH!!

...that reminds I still need to read the novels.

[Fiemma]

ı hope character design better than F/SN

[MrTerrorist]

Great news indeed!

[Haak]

ı hope character design better than F/SN

Yes, I really do hope they use the same art as Kara no Kyoukai.

[Solafighter]

Thats gonna be nuts! Awsome news there. :cool:

[Arbitres]

Full w00tness!

Fate/Zero being animated is a dream come true for me.

Zero Berserker
Zero Rider
Kiritsugu

Good god we'll finally see these three utter badasses animated.

Agreed. Very much so. Seeing Kiritsugu and Berserker-sama animated is like a festive of badassery and awesomeness for me.

[chaos_alfa]

Yes, I really do hope they use the same art as Kara no Kyoukai.

I hope it's just as good, but still different enough that it has its own style.

[Arabesque]

It's a Christmas miracle!

Haven't read the Fate/Zero novel, but anything involving Type-Moon + ufotable must be great.
Then they should do the last route of the novel too.( I mean Heaven's Feel)
But I never expected from Fate universe to be animated after the movie, but anyways great news.I secretly hope that if they ever animate Heaven's Feel, it would be a 20+ series (or a collection of long OVA's) but I sort of expected that we were going to get something for F/N considering all the new announcements for Type-Moon animated projects.

[Nerroth]

I'm looking forward to seeing Zero Lancer in action, myself.

[Iron Maw]

THANK GOD

Well, I just hope that it's an OVA series.

Agreed, especially looking back on how the last Type-Moon TV projects turned out. :uhoh:

Hopefully the production rivals that KNK and UBW movies if it is the case.

Looking forward to seeing Zero! Berseker in either case.

[Shiroth]

I'd be fine with a TV series, i mean this is Ufotable we're talking about, not Studio DEEN. They can get the job done.

Can't wait to find out who'll score it. I already have a few names that would be perfect, though i'm prepared to be surprised.

[LostHanyou]

Maybe with this renewed interest the Fate/Zero translation will be finished...

Personally I can't wait to see Kariya, Kotomine, and Rider.

[kyouray]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9675/895785ee.jpg

Director : Ei Aoki (あおき えい)
Character designer : Tomonori Sudou (須藤友徳), Atsushi Ikariya (碇谷敦)

So basically Kara no Kyoukai staff (even if I didn't find any info for Atsushi Ikariya).

[Tsuchi]

I'd bet for a movie series, out of faith. I didn't like the UBW much because of how rushed everything was, so I want to expect a F/Z project at the level of Rakkyo.

Personally, I am more interested in having a good adaption than in an incredible technical level. Slightly above average is fine to me if they don't screw up with the settings or the ideas presented by the original products.

I can't wait to see Saber in action, as always. Kariya's predicament is always interesting and Assassins are nice to see too (but for some reason I don't think they'll have much importance here).

[Blue-kun]

I'd be fine with a TV series, i mean this is Ufotable we're talking about, not Studio DEEN. They can get the job done.

Can't wait to find out who'll score it. I already have a few names that would be perfect, though i'm prepared to be surprised.

Am I the only one who's really hoping Kajiura will get to score a T-M x ufotable project again? It felt so good to see one of her scores properly used, unlike most of her works for Beetrain TV series. I'll never forget how truly amazing that battle scene in the sixth episode was, with Azaka running over the chairs and how well the music fit. Now I'm spoiled for life, regarding Kajiura.

That said, though, the staff's already shown us what they can do, so I'm just excited for another good bit of T-M x ufotable collab. Not exactly the biggest Fate fan, it's definitely the T-M work which I like the least, but since Zero seems to feature an almost completely new set of characters, maybe I'll enjoy it more!

In other news though, funny how this has completely overshadowed the Girls'Work announcement.

[Tsuchi]

In other news though, funny how this has completely overshadowed the Girls'Work announcement.

I think it's quite natural in a way, since we know... basically nothing about it?

[Blue-kun]

I think it's quite natural in a way, since we know... basically nothing about it?

Well, I wouldn't say nothing. The scenario by Meteor, Original Character Designs by Takenashi Eri and there's even a picture of it now:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/130/4117f2ee.jpg

Although I guess it wouldn't ever compare to F/Z simply because the novels are out there already! So yeah, your point stands. :)

[Tsuchi]

That's exactly what I mean! GW has been "announced" several times already, but we got nothing about it. Even Nasu was very secretive about it in an interview for T-M Ace. We have a character design now, and news regarding who will work on it, but since we still don't even know what it is about, the hype has died a bit, at least inside me.

Not like I'm not interested in it, anyway.

[Haak]

Director : Ei Aoki (あおき えい)
Character designer : Tomonori Sudou (須藤友徳), Atsushi Ikariya (碇谷敦)

So basically Kara no Kyoukai staff (even if I didn't find any info for Atsushi Ikariya).

This is just getting better and better. Type-Moon fans around the world are nearing an orgasm....

[Archon_Wing]

Omg a Fate series not touched by the shit hands of Deen. Wow, am I still dreaming?

[Shiroth]

Am I the only one who's really hoping Kajiura will get to score a T-M x ufotable project again? It felt so good to see one of her scores properly used, unlike most of her works for Beetrain TV series. I'll never forget how truly amazing that battle scene in the sixth episode was, with Azaka running over the chairs and how well the music fit. Now I'm spoiled for life, regarding Kajiura.
I'd easily say Kajiura's score for Kara no Kyoukai was her best work, heck i can't even listen to her other works (apart from Pandora Hearts) anymore :p. Personally though i think we need more orchestral style pieces for Fate/Zero, though that's just the image that i have when i think of some of the novel material animated.

Like i said, i'm ready for a surprise.

[applejuice]

I still can't believe this actually happened. Fate/Zero was, for me, one of the best work from Fate universe, mostly due to Urobuchi Gen's superiority in writing than Typemoon Mushroom. (But Butch Gen is fuckin sadist.) Another good thing is, this is getting manga too <3 <3 <3

That's exactly what I mean! GW has been "announced" several times already, but we got nothing about it. Even Nasu was very secretive about it in an interview for T-M Ace. We have a character design now, and news regarding who will work on it, but since we still don't even know what it is about, the hype has died a bit, at least inside me.

Not like I'm not interested in it, anyway.

Same for me. When was it first announced?... A year ago?... We didn't even know whether it will be VN or anime.

According to the interview from Takeuchi (producer of this project), 'Girl's Work' is an anime original project by Typemoon x ufotable and it won't have any VN release, like Angel Beats did with Key x P.A. Works.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I suspect it will be movie format like KnK. Hopefully so, since the movie are less prone to censorship compared to TV series. Anyway, good news indeed.

[Kaisos Erranon]

I suspect it will be movie format like KnK. Hopefully so, since the movie are less prone to censorship compared to TV series. Anyway, good news indeed.

No, that would be OVAs that you are thinking of. A movie would have to be toned down as well.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I don't think so, KnK movies do contained some very intense scenes (Movie 3 beginning, anyone?).

[Kaisos Erranon]

I don't think so, KnK movies do contained some very intense scenes (Movie 3 beginning, anyone?).

It's not really sexual content I'm thinking of here.

[Yuno]

Whoa, this is exciting news. I remember hearing about the novels? before and wanting to read them. I ceased looking for them when I couldn't find anything in english, I haven't bothered to look since and I sort of forgot... Seeing this not only reminded me, but also has me quite excited. I really like Gilgamesh as a character and we'll get to see all of his actions leading up to Fate Stay/Night.

[Master_Yoma]

Cool cant wait to watch it

[RadiantBeam]

Christmas came early this year! Awesome!

I admit I never read the novels; I managed to find the English translation, but for some reason or another I could never get into the story. I'm delighted to see that it'll be animated; I've read some spoilers about what happened in the novels, and it'll be interesting to see how those moments look in animation, with voices and colors.

[applejuice]

I just read...

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=277292&show=80#msg10123507
Additional Info
According to Type Moon Ace vol.6, Urobuchi Gen said that the duration of the Fate/zero anime is long enough to accommodate the whole chapters of the original novel. They have even added new scenes.

Source: Seasons of Change (http://blog.livedoor.jp/humanity6/archives/51635152.html)

This is really good news. It is guaranteed that there will be no screw-ups like UBW, but 'EVEN MORE SCENES + ORIGINAL ELEMENTS'. Fuck yes.

[Shiroth]

Very good news indeed. I can't wait to see what this 'new scenes' will be, and how they'll add to the story.

[Kaisos Erranon]

This is really good news. It is guaranteed that there will be no screw-ups like UBW, but 'EVEN MORE SCENES + ORIGINAL ELEMENTS'. Fuck yes.

So this either means a TV series or OVAs.

Hoping for the latter...

[Yuno]

So this either means a TV series or OVAs.

Hoping for the latter...

I as well, an OVA that is very true to the original plot and strays very little. No rushing, or butchering of the story. I felt Fate was okay, but UBW movie was simply... sub par. Though I liked the music and action sequences~

[DRAGUN H.E.X.]

isn't this thread supposed to be merged with the Fate/Stay night threads?

[Haak]

It will be when it's almost airing. For now let's just keep it here since that will attract more people. :D

[Aqua Knight]

It will be when it's almost airing. For now let's just keep it here since that will attract more people. :D

But now there's no air date/time ?

[Haak]

It's oonly just been announced. I doubt it's gonna air the next day (or any time soon for that matter) =P

[RadiantBeam]

So this either means a TV series or OVAs.

Hoping for the latter...

Same here. An OVA series tends to have more focus than a full TV series, since they generally aren't as long.

[Blue-kun]

I'd easily say Kajiura's score for Kara no Kyoukai was her best work, heck i can't even listen to her other works (apart from Pandora Hearts) anymore :p. Personally though i think we need more orchestral style pieces for Fate/Zero, though that's just the image that i have when i think of some of the novel material animated.

Like i said, i'm ready for a surprise.

I haven't read it nor am I too knowledgeable about the novels, so I'll trust you Shiroth. Haha.

Seriously though, I was talking about this with a few people a while ago, I wouldn't be very surprised if Kajiura makes a return to this new ufotable x T-M project. If Urobuchi has anything to say over it (which I don't know, but maybe the staff's interested in the guy's opinion), and seeing recent interviews where he personally asked for Kajiura to work on Madoka, I really think it's a valid possibility.

Then again, if they do decide to go with a more orchestrated score, I'd personally like to see Naoki Sato given a chance here. His work for Sword of the Stranger was amazing, and Sato's overall track record is just as good.


(Oh goodness, how I love speculating over music before composers get announced. Just imagining some stuff makes me happy, hahaha.)

[MisaoFan]

Ei Aoki, the director of this anime, was also too busy on Hourou Musuko.

[LostHanyou]

I'd like to see this in movie format, split into 4 parts like KnK was split.

[Shiroth]

I haven't read it nor am I too knowledgeable about the novels, so I'll trust you Shiroth. Haha.
I've only read a little bit of the novels :p, but yeah it'll be perfect.

Then again, if they do decide to go with a more orchestrated score, I'd personally like to see Naoki Sato given a chance here. His work for Sword of the Stranger was amazing, and Sato's overall track record is just as good.
Yeah, i'd totally go for Naoki Sato to score this. Plus he hasn't scored anything in quite a while, so it would be such an awesome come back.

[Suzuku]

I just read...

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=277292&show=80#msg10123507


This is really good news. It is guaranteed that there will be no screw-ups like UBW, but 'EVEN MORE SCENES + ORIGINAL ELEMENTS'. Fuck yes.
Hm, this is pretty cryptic. It doesn't necessarily means it's a TV anime though, he could just mean the project itself provides enough time to adapt all of that. The way it's worded makes it sound as if it were a TV anime it would be longer than the standard 24-26 episodes. Still, I hope for a movie series adaptation so we can have the maximum animation and art quality possible for the project.

[Tempester]

If this is anywhere near to the quality of Kara no Kyoukai, it'll be great.

Do I have to read or watch Fate/Stay Night to understand and appreciate this? I know Deen's F/SN adaptation was underwhelming, and I way too little patience with the VN medium to read much.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Do I have to read or watch Fate/Stay Night to understand and appreciate this?

Not really, as it's a prequel. You will be spoiled on content from the game's third route, which has never been adapted, however.

[j0x]

i like this to be a movie or ova format too i like ufotable works on Kara no Kyoukai

[Tempester]

Not really, as it's a prequel. You will be spoiled on content from the game's third route, which has never been adapted, however.

Thanks for the info.

[Suzuku]

If this is anywhere near to the quality of Kara no Kyoukai, it'll be great.

Do I have to read or watch Fate/Stay Night to understand and appreciate this? I know Deen's F/SN adaptation was underwhelming, and I way too little patience with the VN medium to read much.
Not really necessary but you'd appreciate it more. And tbh DEEN's F/SN adaptation wasn't so bad it was unbearable.

[LoveYouSaber]

This piece of news is absolutely the best Christmas present!!

There always had been rumours that Fate/Zero will be getting an animation, starting from when they produced the Drama CD, but now it's a reality!

[DragoZERO]

Hell yes! Hell yes! Hell yes! It'll have the same design style as KnK and has a great notable director too. I really can't wait.

Now, should I read the novels first or watch the anime? :confused:

Do I have to read or watch Fate/Stay Night to understand and appreciate this? I know Deen's F/SN adaptation was underwhelming, and I way too little patience with the VN medium to read much.To fully appreciate this, you need to know what happens after, however I don't think you need to. Either way, it does not matter. The VN is amazing and you should give it a go if you haven't.

[Kanon]

Now, should I read the novels first or watch the anime? :confused:

I'm pondering the same thing. Since they say the anime will not only include everything from the novels, but also add new scenes, I guess there's not much point in reading the novels beforehand. I think I'll save myself some time and patiently wait for the anime.

[DragoZERO]

I'm pondering the same thing. Since they say the anime will not only include everything from the novels, but also add new scenes, I guess there's not much point in reading the novels beforehand. I think I'll save myself some time and patiently wait for the anime.
I am thinking that as well. Not to mention the novels aren't complete translated.

The big question is what format will they decide to do... I'd prefer a TV series so I wouldn't have to wait but they might have to censor and cut out a lot, not to mention the animation quality from having a lower budget versus an OVA or movie.

[Shiroth]

The big question is what format will they decide to do... I'd prefer a TV series so I wouldn't have to wait but they might have to censor and cut out a lot, not to mention the animation quality from having a lower budget versus an OVA or movie.
An OVA release similar to Kara no Kyoukai would be the most suitable decision.

[Kaisos Erranon]

An OVA release similar to Kara no Kyoukai would be the most suitable decision.

Kara no Kyoukai was a film series.

[Shiroth]

Kara no Kyoukai was a film series.
OVA, Film, does it really matter? My point still stands that it should have a similar release for the project to work best.

[Haak]

I am thinking that as well. Not to mention the novels aren't complete translated.

Yeah, I've come to the same decision myself. I've only recently read the first volume. Lucky they announced this before I continued.

[DragoZERO]

OVA, Film, does it really matter? My point still stands that it should have a similar release for the project to work best.Film will have a much longer wait period between releases, not to mention we'd have to wait for BD/DVD release since we are not in Japan.

Yeah, I've come to the same decision myself. I've only recently read the first volume. Lucky they announced this before I continued.I read a few pages, and it was awesome, but I hate to stare at a monitor for so long just reading text like that, so yeah.

[Blue-kun]

Film will have a much longer wait period between releases, not to mention we'd have to wait for BD/DVD release since we are not in Japan.

That's not necessarily true, see Tales of Symphonia OVA for example. Which is actually from ufotable as well. While you might argue that it's separated as two different 'series', the first one came out in 2007 and the last one from Tethe'alla chapter will only come out in 2011. Well, and there's already yet another ToS OVA sequel announced to finish up the story, iirc, so at best we'll get the full story by the end of 2011.

[Poetic Justice]

Disappointing if its just another OVA.

[DragoZERO]

That's not necessarily true, see Tales of Symphonia OVA for example. Which is actually from ufotable as well. While you might argue that it's separated as two different 'series', the first one came out in 2007 and the last one from Tethe'alla chapter will only come out in 2011. Well, and there's already yet another ToS OVA sequel announced to finish up the story, iirc, so at best we'll get the full story by the end of 2011.I suppose that is true. The Broken Blade movies are premiering pretty close to each other as well. We will ahve to wait and see (and hope).

Disappointing if its just another OVA.It won't be. Many of us have high expectations and I don't think they will be let down. I'm sure I'm not the only confident one here either. Have faith!

[Suzuku]

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/9726/1293155928018.th.jpg (http://img805.imageshack.us/i/1293155928018.jpg/)

First promotional art.

[Blue-kun]

I'd just like to point out how good Saber's looking on this. It's definitely my favourite promotional art ever for anything related to animated versions of Fate.

In other news: "Is that Sauron in the background?". Saving everyone from this question, which is bound to appear, haha.

[applejuice]

Amazing.

Simply amazing.

[Tempester]

OVAs are great, but a film series (i.e. Kara no Kyoukai) is ultimately preferable for me. I don't mind waiting several months if I get a better product in the end.

[Marion]

OVAs are great, but a film series (i.e. Kara no Kyoukai) is ultimately preferable for me. I don't mind waiting several months if I get a better product in the end.
Problem is that the end product will be very rushed, just like the UBW movie was. And Zero is a very big prologue.

[Blue-kun]

Problem is that the end product will be very rushed, just like the UBW movie was. And Zero is a very big prologue.

He mentioned a series of films, not just one film (like UBW). If you ask me, Kara no Kyoukai did a very nice job at adapting the novels, and the fan response to it is so positive that I doubt you'd find a lot of people disagreeing with this statement.

Besides, being OVAs won't guarantee longer running time in the end. Tales of Symphonia OVAs had all around 30 minutes per episode, with some getting to 40. Rakkyo had several movies which ran for more than an hour, while the shortest ones were around 40 minutes.

All that isn't particularly important, anyway, because what really will make the cut in the end is how good the staff is. And I think these guys - in particular Aoki Ei - have already proven themselves as worthy of the fans' trust. Not to mention that Urobuchi Gen himself said that the length of the project will allow them to adapt everything from the original novels and still add some original scenes.

[Poetic Justice]

Kara no Kyoukai had a poorly structured mess of a story. One of the most over-rated anime in recent history.

[DragoZERO]

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/9726/1293155928018.th.jpg (http://img805.imageshack.us/i/1293155928018.jpg/)

First promotional art.That... is... awesome! I am surprised they have Saber in the front. She isn't exactly the star of all of this, from my understanding things are spread evenly among many characters, but I guess they are going for a recognizable face and all.

Problem is that the end product will be very rushed, just like the UBW movie was. And Zero is a very big prologue.It won't be rushed if they make it long enough, even if it's a series of several movies or OVAs.

Kara no Kyoukai had a poorly structured mess of a story. One of the most over-rated anime in recent history.Strange, because I didn't find it a mess at all and found it structured rather well. It even adhered to the original novel's non linear story telling.

[Blue-kun]

Kara no Kyoukai had a poorly structured mess of a story. One of the most over-rated anime in recent history.

This is completely valid as far as your opinion go, after all, we are all entitled to our own. I'm sure Nasu's way of writing and his stories aren't the sort of thing just anyone can enjoy, and the fact Rakkyo made an effort to follow the original structure of the books makes this even 'worse' for people like you. Still, I must assure you that if you disliked Kara no Kyoukai's story, it definitely wasn't the animation staff who was at fault. As an adaptation, it's a very well done one, and the people working on it deserve nothing but praise for being able to convey the books so well.

That said, I'm not sure how relevant to the actual conversation that post is, but all it tells me is 'I dislike Nasu's way of writing and his stories'. Which while fine, is hardly adding anything of relevance to the topic of Fate/Zero.

[Wigwams]

anyone can identify the masters at the back? my guess are...

ryunosuke-kiriya-tokiomi-kitsurugu-archibald-waver-kirei

[Archer]

Website updated:

http://www.fate-zero.jp/

[Wigwams]

wow. looks like the voice actors are set. anyone familiar names?

[LostHanyou]

anyone can identify the masters at the back? my guess are...

ryunosuke-kiriya-tokiomi-kitsurugu-archibald-waver-kirei

Yeah, that looks about right.

For voice actors:

Saber & Kirei are being played by the same VA's as usual
I think all of these look pretty good. Irisviel being played by Sayaka Ohara... She has an adorable voice.
I've never heard the guy who is to play Kariya but he was in the sound drama. So something must be working there.

[Shiroth]

The Broken Blade movies are premiering pretty close to each other as well. We will ahve to wait and see (and hope).
The first two films were close together in release, though that's not happening anymore. It's the standard long wait you'd expect for the rest of the films.

& i'm cool with those VA choices. Just wish we had composer information.

[Kagekyuubi]

Is it safe to assume that they're sticking with Kiritsugu's seiyuu from FSN and UBW? It's just going to be plain awesome if he uses the same voice he used for Souda Emonzaemon from Katanagatari when he's in business mode.

[Suzuku]

Is it safe to assume that they're sticking with Kiritsugu's seiyuu from FSN and UBW? It's just going to be plain awesome if he uses the same voice he used for Souda Emonzaemon from Katanagatari when he's in business mode.
They're keeping the same seiyuu that were in the Drama CD, so yeah, it'll be Koyama again.

[DragoZERO]

I'm glad they are keeping the same VAs as well, but I expected as much. I'd be very surprised if they decided change them since they fit so well, especially Kotomine.

[ZODDGUTS]

Kara no Kyoukai had a poorly structured mess of a story. One of the most over-rated anime in recent history.

Well if you feel that way here's some good news, Fate/Zero was written by another writer, Gen Urobuchi.

[Mizuno]

It's good they keep the VA. Ayako has been inactive from anime nowadays I thought she quit.

[GDB]

It's good they keep the VA. Ayako has been inactive from anime nowadays I thought she quit.

She was Alice in Pandora Hearts and A-tan in Hayate, both of which weren't too long ago. She was also Saikyo in Ladies vs Butlers, Leina in Queen's Blade, and Miyuri in Seikon no Qwaser. Seems she's also in Index II, though I'm not sure how important her character is. Plus there was the Unlimited Blade Works movie earlier this year.

So really, she's done quite a bit of work in the last two years. She's just not in every series that comes out.

[MrTerrorist]

She was Alice in Pandora Hearts and A-tan in Hayate, both of which weren't too long ago. She was also Saikyo in Ladies vs Butlers, Leina in Queen's Blade, and Miyuri in Seikon no Qwaser. Seems she's also in Index II, though I'm not sure how important her character is. Plus there was the Unlimited Blade Works movie earlier this year.

So really, she's done quite a bit of work in the last two years. She's just not in every series that comes out.

In Index, she played Archbishop Laura Stuart. This might give you a clue on how important her character is.

[MisaoFan]

She was Alice in Pandora Hearts and A-tan in Hayate, both of which weren't too long ago. She was also Saikyo in Ladies vs Butlers, Leina in Queen's Blade, and Miyuri in Seikon no Qwaser. Seems she's also in Index II, though I'm not sure how important her character is. Plus there was the Unlimited Blade Works movie earlier this year.

So really, she's done quite a bit of work in the last two years. She's just not in every series that comes out.

Saikyo is Serina, OK ?

[applejuice]

http://sai-zen-sen.jp/sa/fate-zero/works/

Wow, they are releasing novel on-line for free.

But hell, kanji is annoying. I'm going to read my Korean translated copy.... u.u~~

[DragoZERO]

For free? I really, really, really, really need to learn Japanese, huh? :heh:

And, so awesome:
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3913/ci5762086.th.png (http://img211.imageshack.us/i/ci5762086.png/)

[Xellos-_^]

If this is anywhere near to the quality of Kara no Kyoukai, it'll be great.

Do I have to read or watch Fate/Stay Night to understand and appreciate this? I know Deen's F/SN adaptation was underwhelming, and I way too little patience with the VN medium to read much.

just my opinion but i think you should eithe rplay the game or watch the anime first. Reason is because the feel for FSN and Fzero are very different. FSN gives you the classic underdog (at least for the Saber route) but Fzero is very different as all the character pretty much at full power and in their prime.

[Haak]

Knowing ufotable, they'll likely cut out much of the actual explanation so not having watched the anime or played the game will make things hard to understand.

Though if you enjoyed Kara no Kyoukai without knowing anything about Type Moon (like me) then it probably won't matter.

[DragoZERO]

I think we all can agree that you don't need any prior knowledge of F/sn to enjoy this, however the knowledge will let you appreciate it so much more.

[Shiroth]

however the knowledge will let you appreciate it so much more.
That's the key point here, and because i want everyone to enjoy this as much as possible, then i say go and play the Fate/stay night VN while they have the chance.

[applejuice]

Fate/Zero will be TV SERIES.
http://animapple.blogspot.com/2011/01/info-fatezero-is-tv-series.html

[MrTerrorist]

Fate/Zero will be TV SERIES.
http://animapple.blogspot.com/2011/01/info-fatezero-is-tv-series.html

(Spits out drink!)

Why? Why? Why?!?

[Arabesque]

Well, too bad it isn't an OVA collection, but at the same time, it's not DEEN but ufotable so that automatically makes me have hope it'll look good at the very very least.

Also no waiting period is somewhat of a plus.

[applejuice]

(Spits out drink!)

Why? Why? Why?!?

dun know.

What I'm interested in is how 'ISHI-lol-HARA' will affect this.

[Shiroth]

Also no waiting period is somewhat of a plus.
I was up for waiting, but yeah it'll be nice for a change.

I'm all for this being a TV series. Especially 26 episodes if possible.

[MisaoFan]

I was up for waiting, but yeah it'll be nice for a change.

I'm all for this being a TV series. Especially 26 episodes if possible.

Maybe it will be a 12 episodes. The light novel has 10 volumes.

[RRW]

Maybe it will be a 12 episodes. The light novel has 10 volumes.

it actually making sense if they make 26 with that amount of volume

[MisaoFan]

The Fate/Zero has four volumes and seventeen chapters (plus a prologue before chapter 1). So what's number of episodes should be ?

[RRW]

The Fate/Zero has four volumes and seventeen chapters (plus a prologue before chapter 1). So what's number of episodes should be ?

sorry, i just say it because you say 10 volume before.

usually 3-5 vol of LN have 12-14 EP of anime

while 9-11 vol LN have 24-26 EP of anime

so 4 volume of LN will making sense if the make 13 EP anime.

they can go to haruhi style where they have 6 ep for each novel. but i dont think that they will go that way consider it have more action

[MisaoFan]

sorry, i just say it because you say 10 volume before.

usually 3-5 vol of LN have 12-14 EP of anime

while 9-11 vol LN have 24-26 EP of anime

so 4 volume of LN will making sense if the make 13 EP anime.

they can go to haruhi style where they have 6 ep for each novel. but i dont think that they will go that way consider it have more action

Because I can't remember the number of volumes.

[DragoZERO]

They better not rush it!! That's all I have to say. Oh, and it better not be censored - in any way!

[Shiroth]

Maybe it will be a 12 episodes. The light novel has 10 volumes.
They already said that the plan is to cover all of the novels along with adding in some material. There's no way 12/13 episodes will cover all that.

[Justice Knight]

the novel hasnt ended right???

sorry, i just say it because you say 10 volume before.

usually 3-5 vol of LN have 12-14 EP of anime

while 9-11 vol LN have 24-26 EP of anime

so 4 volume of LN will making sense if the make 13 EP anime.

they can go to haruhi style where they have 6 ep for each novel. but i dont think that they will go that way consider it have more action

[chaos_alfa]

the novel hasnt ended right???

It has ended.

[Malkuth]

I also expected/preferred movies/OVAs, but TV can work, since there wasn't any explicit ero in the novels (to my very limited knowledge). Also 2-cours makes more sense; as for the requirement of prior knowledge from F/SN, it helps to increase enjoyment, but that's why these script-writers and composition guys work ... so it won't be a requirement ... despite many times miserably failing :p

[Kanon]

A bit disappointed it's a TV series, but it's still Ufotable, so I'm fairly confident this will be good.

[Haak]

I honestly don't mind either way. I'm all up for an anime aswell. I have enough trust in ufotable to know they won't let that screw up the story.

[RRW]

They already said that the plan is to cover all of the novels along with adding in some material. There's no way 12/13 episodes will cover all that.

i dont think so. because of number of volume and how heavy is the action on the novel.

even with 13/14 ep anime they can add some of original material without being rushed

24 ep anime will be simply way to long

[Shiroth]

i dont think so. because of number of volume and how heavy is the action on the novel.

even with 13/14 ep anime they can add some of original material without being rushed

24 ep anime will be simply way to long
There's a hell of a lot of material in these novels, especially in the first few i've read. I don't want a rushed adaptation.

Either way, we'll just have to wait and see what's announced.

[Jarmel]

Wow I completely missed this news. I'm not worried about the quality if that promotional art is indicative of the quality. So do we have an airdate yet?

[RRW]

There's a hell of a lot of material in these novels, especially in the first few i've read. I don't want a rushed adaptation.

Either way, we'll just have to wait and see what's announced.

well most of them pretty long description about place and fight.

well lets see what they do

[Xellos-_^]

just because it is a tv series now doesn't meant there won't be a movie later.

[chaos_alfa]

just because it is a tv series now doesn't meant there won't be a movie later.

How would they do that?

2 volumes for the anime and 2 for the movie
or
an anime version and a movie version.

This doesn't look very logic.

[fertygo]

The finale part for movie ?
I can see that scenario.

[swtrooper42]

usually 3-5 vol of LN have 12-14 EP of anime

while 9-11 vol LN have 24-26 EP of anime

so 4 volume of LN will making sense if the make 13 EP anime.

they can go to haruhi style where they have 6 ep for each novel. but i dont think that they will go that way consider it have more action

It depends on the adaption really. And the source material.
A Certain Magical Index managed to turn 6 volumes into 24 episodes.

[kyouray]

Newtype scans :
by Atsushi Ikariya :
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5118/64287536.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7053/1294513401173.jpg)
by Tomonori Sudou :
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9149/fz2f.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2049/1294513215157.jpg)

[Shiroth]

Oh my god. Saber in a suit animated totally works. I need a clean version right this damn second.

[DragoZERO]

I'm not a fan of her in a suit. A skirt suits Saber much better, in my opinion.

Why is it "Trace/On" though?

[swtrooper42]

Suit Saber is win.
Mind of Steel Kiritsugu looks badass.
Kirei having shorter hair really makes him look younger. Although I still prefer his Fate/Stay Night hair style.
Why is it "Trace/On" though?
No idea. I don't think projection even comes up in the novels.

[Otsdarva]

Ooooh, I'm getting tingly. Seriously, this so deserves hype. Looking forward to the animation the most.

Those scans are just lovely. Can't wait to see the rest of the cast.

[Shiroth]

I'm not a fan of her in a suit. A skirt suits Saber much better, in my opinion.
Nothing wrong with tomboy Saber looking much more tomboy. :)

[GDB]

Nothing wrong with tomboy Saber looking much more tomboy. :)

Agreed. She's supposed to be able to pass as a male, after all.

[grylsyjaeger]

Nothing wrong with tomboy Saber looking much more tomboy. :)

... I actually really like Tomboys. D=


And Suit Saber is hot, hot, hot!

[Kanon]

I like the suit a lot better than the old lady clothes she wore in F/SN. She looks damn smexy here.

[Shiroth]

I like the suit a lot better than the old lady clothes she wore in F/SN. She looks damn smexy here.
But 'old lady clothes' had that adorable long skirt and those socks. <33

[Haak]

Frankly Saber could look good in just about anything. But I'd say her lion suit tops everything else. :D

http://www.kyon.pl/static/img/remiq.net_9480.jpg

[Endscape]

Indeed, though personally my favourite Saber outfit is this one

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSACdGzzoJQpwkxyVfGkZ4_B1BA87-_nMeERvkfSAIFGPXTQtQu

[Shiroth]

Pfft. It's all about Saber in her date attire.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4413/1738687de3208c3b7dbb700.jpg

I use the PVC image (which is right next to me :3) because you can see her oh so adorable feet.

[Haak]

Well there's also Saber in her pyjamas:
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3497/preview16d38d2a356e2a25.jpg (http://img703.imageshack.us/i/preview16d38d2a356e2a25.jpg/)

[DragoZERO]

Ohh.. this is good. Let's continue this else where (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3430385#post3430385).

[Kanon]

But 'old lady clothes' had that adorable long skirt and those socks. <33

Never really liked it. The outfit she wore for the date was so much better.

[Last_Hope]

So Zero will be a tv-series, did I understand it correctly? If so isn´t it possible that they do that because they want to also make an anime adaptation of the last route of Fate/Stay and close the circle so to say?

I have only seen the anime adaptations but considering what other people says it would seem to be some kind of connection between Zero and Heaven (something :heh: ) that makes a good opportunity to let Heaven follow directly after Zero.

[Xellos-_^]

shouldn't this thread be move to the FSN forum?

[DragoZERO]

So Zero will be a tv-series, did I understand it correctly? If so isn´t it possible that they do that because they want to also make an anime adaptation of the last route of Fate/Stay and close the circle so to say?

I have only seen the anime adaptations but considering what other people says it would seem to be some kind of connection between Zero and Heaven (something :heh: ) that makes a good opportunity to let Heaven follow directly after Zero.I am surprised they are doing this before Heaven's Feel. However, I think there is good chance that every F/SN anime fan has played the PC game or the PS2 game by now. Who knows, maybe they'll give us some extra back story when the time comes so anime-only viewers are not lost.

[klare]

hmm i believe there are many anime-only fans who never played the game before

they better make the story understandable for us

[Flinch]

Short version: shit goes down.
Long version: lotta shit goes down.

That basically sums up F/Z in a few words. I do hope they don't censor any of Ryonosuke's "art".

[Angrypokstick]

Basically it shows the previous War in all its ruthlessness - greed, ambition, murder, betrayal; the weak succumb, the strong live on. It is an extremely well written, descriptive;dark,depressive and brutally violent story. Its definitely right up in some people's alley.

[Flinch]

I don't think you emphasized enough on the brutality.

[DragoZERO]

hmm i believe there are many anime-only fans who never played the game before

they better make the story understandable for usOh, sorry. I was referring to those in Japan. It's not like the staff will keep those of us outside of Japan in mind when doing this and all.

[orion]

I am surprised they are doing this before Heaven's Feel. However, I think there is good chance that every F/SN anime fan has played the PC game or the PS2 game by now. Who knows, maybe they'll give us some extra back story when the time comes so anime-only viewers are not lost.

But wasn't Heaven's Feel the least popular route of the 3? At least that's what I heard online. It's also has more questionable content that prob can't be shown in theaters or on TV. So if that's the case, then I wouldn't expect them to want to waste their money on it.

[swtrooper42]

But wasn't Heaven's Feel the least popular route of the 3?
In the way the least popular of three great routes can be the least popular. It definitely is the most discussed.
I actually think it's the most epic of the three routes.
My favorite is still Unlimited Blade Works.

[Kaisos Erranon]

But wasn't Heaven's Feel the least popular route of the 3? At least that's what I heard online. It's also has more questionable content that prob can't be shown in theaters or on TV. So if that's the case, then I wouldn't expect them to want to waste their money on it.

Heaven's Feel is the entire point of the original game. :heh: Also, all three of the original routes have "questionable content", and that never stopped them from being adapted before....

[Asuras]

VHHAAATTT

Is this real? Hm... I've been waiting for something else Fate to come out.

[orion]

Heaven's Feel is the entire point of the original game. :heh: Also, all three of the original routes have "questionable content", and that never stopped them from being adapted. before....

Heaven's Feel has more questionable content that's inappropriate for theaters. HF is only 1 of 3 routes. I don't view it as the "entire point" of the game.

[swtrooper42]

Heaven's Feel is the entire point of the original game. :heh: Also, all three of the original routes have "questionable content", and that never stopped them from being adapted. before....
CG dragon, CG fish, and I believe Heaven's Feel has something about blood sucking.:heh: Plus that rather nice dream sequence involving Rin and Mitsuzuri.:D

But Heaven's Feel is what the entire game is about. It ties up the Grail War once and for all.

[Vicious108]

But wasn't Heaven's Feel the least popular route of the 3?

In bizzaro world, maybe. That's Fate by a long shot, and rightfully so.

CG dragon, CG fish, and I believe Heaven's Feel has something about blood sucking.:heh: Plus that rather nice dream sequence involving Rin and Mitsuzuri.:D

But Heaven's Feel is what the entire game is about. It ties up the Grail War once and for all.

But the "point" of the game is Shirou, not the Grail War.

[DragoZERO]

Let's continue this in the game thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=3435105#post3435105).

[Cherry_Lover]

Heaven's Feel has more questionable content that's inappropriate for theaters. HF is only 1 of 3 routes. I don't view it as the "entire point" of the game.

No, but it's an important part of it, and without it you don't get the whole story. Plus, Zero was written with the assumption that you'd already have played HF (and, thus, that you already know Sakura's past), and therefore doesn't explain what is going on in as much detail as it would need to if you didn't already know. Not to mention that seeing Zero would instantly spoiler essentially every single plot twist in the whole of HF....

But the "point" of the game is Shirou, not the Grail War.

Yes, and it also "ties up" Shirou's character development....

[DragoZERO]

In other words... play the game if you haven't, everyone. :heh:

[Haak]

shouldn't this thread be move to the FSN forum?

Already asked:

isn't this thread supposed to be merged with the Fate/Stay night threads?

It will be when it's almost airing. For now let's just keep it here since that will attract more people. :D

[Xellos-_^]

In other words... play the game if you haven't, everyone. :heh:

i think that is a given, the F/Z anime is going to assume a certain amount of familiarity with the source work and while there will be some explanations. It will be minimal. If the viewer weren't already familiar with the source, well too bad.

[BelatedDeath]

I don't think that the story will be centered on Kiritsugu and Saber since it was mentioned that he only spoke to her 3 times through the entire duration of the war.

But I'm interested in Kiritsugu's relationship with Ilya's mom.

[Vicious108]

I'm interested in Mind of Steel Kiritsugu, rather than his wimpy self that was seen in the FSN flashbacks.

[DragoZERO]

I'm interested in Mind of Steel Kiritsugu, rather than his wimpy self that was seen in the FSN flashbacks.
What wimpy self!? He was torn and distraught over his past. A past we will soon see!

Ahhh, I can't wait.

[Kuroi Hadou]

What wimpy self!? He was torn and distraught over his past. A past we will soon see!

Ahhh, I can't wait.

Me neither. It should be fun.

[swtrooper42]

What wimpy self!? He was torn and distraught over his past. A past we will soon see!
I always loved the rescue scene from Shirou's point of view. Where Shirou says that Kiritsugu looked just so happy to find someone alive in the wreckage. So much so, that Shirou was just left thinking, "I was I could look that happy." It's what inspired him to embrace Kiritsugu's ideals of saving people.

I can't wait to see that scene in all its animated glory.

[Vicious108]

What wimpy self!?

The one that was torn and distraught over his past.

And yes I'm really looking forward to it as well.

[DragoZERO]

The one that was torn and distraught over his past.

And yes I'm really looking forward to it as well.
Yeah but I wouldn't call that wimpy. I only read the first couple of pages of Fate/Zero and I could already feel just how much is behind his character. He is not wimpy for being hurt after what happened.

[Vicious108]

...You're taking that casual comment too seriously and placing excessively negative connotations on it. In the FSN flashbacks, Shirou himself described Kiritsugu as something akin to a "tired old beast just waiting to die", so I think it's safe to assume he'd become weak and ineffective, hence "wimpy".

Though yes, it definitely wasn't unnatural for him to get hurt after what happened. As Kotomine would say his worries were most natural for a human being.

[Kuroi Hadou]

In the FSN flashbacks, Shirou himself described Kiritsugu as something akin to a "tired old beast just waiting to die", so I think it's safe to assume he'd become weak and ineffective, hence "wimpy".

That's like saying a soldier with PTSD is wimpy.:uhoh:

[Vicious108]

That's like saying a soldier with PTSD is wimpy.:uhoh:

Well they technically are even if the cause justifies it.

Again, it wasn't that serious of a character assessment. Just a way to say that I was more interested in the seemingly badass gun touting Mind of Steel Kiritsugu than in the softer version we see in the FSN flashbacks.

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

ow how did I not notice this news for so long. I know I'm late to the party but, hell yea!

[Otsdarva]

ow how did I not notice this news for so long. I know I'm late to the party but, hell yea!

Best late then never, Toki. *gives party hat*

[StarTouch]

I feel terribly embarrassed for not knowing this news until now. *stabs self*

On another note, I'm super hyped about this. ^_^

[catanx]

yes....my most favourite heroine (Saber) is back!!!!
can't wait to see she fight with gilgamesh again...:D

[maximilianjenus]

But this will be lesbian saber :/

[Mizuno]

You sound as though there's something wrong with that.

[Haak]

But this will be lesbian saber :/

She's not a lesbian. She's a genderbender...

[DragoZERO]

But this will be lesbian saber :/
It's just a girl in a damn suit.

[Kuroi Hadou]

It's a hot chick in a stylish suit.

I corrected that for you.:D

[Vicious108]

But this will be lesbian saber :/

She already seemed lesbian-ish enough to me in FSN's first h-scene tbqh.

[Seitsuki]

There's no such as lesbian "enough". 1+1=2 after all. don't look at me like that you know you're all thinking the same thing >.>

That said I'm rather interested in how to see how they'll handle this. In my mind it's basically a grimdark ver of F/SN, since you can count the number of "survivors" in one hand (and it deals with alot more intense material than the first as well). Hopefully they can realise the full potential, unlike with the UBW movie and parts of the F/SN adaptation

[kyouray]

from Megami Magazine I guess : picture by Masato Nagamori
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3691/moe2017074320fatestayni.th.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/moe2017074320fatestayni.jpg/)

[Shiroth]

Masato Nagamori's Saber is so adorable.

[DragoZERO]

So much promotion already. Is this normal or is it just because it's F/SN and it's getting extra service? It makes me feel that the series is about to air, lol.

[Shiroth]

So much promotion already. Is this normal or is it just because it's F/SN and it's getting extra service?
I'd say it's a bit of both.

[grylsyjaeger]

I'd say it's a bit of both.

And don't forget it's Saber.

In a suit.


IN A SUIT!

Hot.


I'm expecting a GSC Saber Suit version to match their other 1/7 figures.

[felix]

Is there actually a story or is it all very slice of life with random stuff?

[Shiroth]

Is there actually a story or is it all very slice of life with random stuff?
There's a story. & incredible story at that.

[felix]

There's a story. & incredible story at that.Really? That's great! *grabs tea and cookies*

[DragoZERO]

There's a story. & incredible story at that.Slice of life Fate would be pretty good though. Who needs Yui and Mio when you have Saber and Rin.


Really? That's great! *grabs tea and cookies*
I wouldn't do tea... it's hot when it spills.

I hope they do this in nice HD so it's BD will be nice. >.<

[Shiroth]

Slice of life Fate would be pretty good though. Who needs Yui and Mio when you have Saber and Rin.
If you want slice of life, there's another TYPE-MOON adaptation for that. :p

[j0x]

from Megami Magazine I guess : picture by Masato Nagamori
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3691/moe2017074320fatestayni.th.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/moe2017074320fatestayni.jpg/)

im always seeing Saber in a male dress this days, i wonder whats the purpose of making her look like a man

[fertygo]

im always seeing Saber in a male dress this days, i wonder whats the purpose of making her look like a man

For people like me that like it :p

[Shiroth]

im always seeing Saber in a male dress this days, i wonder whats the purpose of making her look like a man
The is one of the first official times it's happened. You've just been looking at a lot of fanart, as fertygo says, is aimed at people who like that. Of course, i'm one of them.

[DragoZERO]

If you want slice of life, there's another TYPE-MOON adaptation for that. :pYes, and I am waiting for it... just hope they have a nice balance with the characters.

im always seeing Saber in a male dress this days, i wonder whats the purpose of making her look like a manI think it's so she can move around without being noticed much. She matches Kiritsugu more, so it's like he is the detective and she is the sidekick. Maybe it'll be explained more, we'll see.

[antigone]

ufotable doing the work here has me skeptical, because Kara no Kyoukai has been a major disappointment. (especially the epilogue)

[DragoZERO]

ufotable doing the work here has me skeptical, because Kara no Kyoukai has been a major disappointment. (especially the epilogue)
The epilogue is proof of how amazing and brilliant the animation and music can be. I think you are in the minority with that opinion.

[antigone]

The epilogue is proof of how amazing and brilliant the animation and music can be. I think you are in the minority with that opinion.

i don't think we watched the same show. the epilogie's music has been trite, the animation on par with average anime movies (see Break Blade). the voice acting is not even the best the VAs had to offer. Especially disappointed with Maaya's performance.

Anyway, I wanted Bones/Bee Train to be doing this (KnK and Fate/Zero) , but it just wasn't meant to be.

[Blue-kun]

ufotable doing the work here has me skeptical, because Kara no Kyoukai has been a major disappointment. (especially the epilogue)

Would you mind elaborating on this? What exactly did you dislike about Rakkyo? The animation? The music? The actual adaptation?

I find it hard to believe anyone would try to say Rakkyo is an example of poor animation because quite a lot of sakuga fans consider it to be one of the best things from the last couple of years and one example of really good sakuga anime. The music, well, this will evidently boil down to preference in one way or another, so I'm not going to dwelve into this any further. As for the adaptation? Having read the books and watched it, I don't see how exactly you could've hoped for a better adaptation of the original material.

Now, I've said this once in this thread and I think I'll repeat it, I think it's completely fine if you dislike Rakkyo for what it is. Just don't pin the blame to ufotable, who did a fantastic job producing a very faithful adaptation of what is a good story.

That said...

Anyway, I wanted Bones/Bee Train to be doing this (KnK and Fate/Zero) , but it just wasn't meant to be.

I'm not even sure why I waste my time replying to your posts anymore, since your intent is clearly "trolling". Quite seriously, each and every one of them has been some sort of derrogative comment towards a show which most people like. :rolleyes:

[Shiroth]

the voice acting is not even the best the VAs had to offer. Especially disappointed with Maaya's performance.
What? :heh: Maaya Sakamoto went all out into that role in the epilogue.

But yeah, this really isn't the thread for such a conversation.

[ZODDGUTS]

Bee Train seriously? Their animation is far from top tier animation.

[applejuice]

Would you mind elaborating on this? What exactly did you dislike about Rakkyo? The animation? The music? The actual adaptation?

I find it hard to believe anyone would try to say Rakkyo is an example of poor animation because quite a lot of sakuga fans consider it to be one of the best things from the last couple of years and one example of really good sakuga anime. The music, well, this will evidently boil down to preference in one way or another, so I'm not going to dwelve into this any further. As for the adaptation? Having read the books and watched it, I don't see how exactly you could've hoped for a better adaptation of the original material.

Ummm...

Well... it is still undeniably true that there were some significant adaptation decay from the original novel, though. It's not Deens level of extreme faggotry, but there still was some decay in story flow and characterisation.

[antigone]

>he's in disagreement with the majority, he must be a troll!

excellent logic there, people.

also, what applejuice said. Thinking about it, not that the source material was spectacular at all.

Too bad majority here just ride on the Bee Train hate bandwagon just because it's the cool thing to do. They are capable of good animation and music, I think they could have done a better job with some of their later titles, but .hack and Phantom are all excellent shows.

And i'll find all this Bee Train bashing even more funny when Hyouge Mono becomes the best show its airing season.

And Maaya Sakamoto is better off singing. I would have preferred Ami Koshimizu as Shiki, but blame ufotrain on the casting.

[Haak]

So...can you elaborate on your points then?

[antigone]

what more do i have to elaborate?

the voice acting? the final part was cheesy. in general, there's not just much life in MAaya's acting.

the animation? dry. Windy Tales (though not by bones) and Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood's animation flows more freely. Art? Now that is a matter of taste. KnK's art was just not my thing

What else?

the actual adaptation? tsukihime has better flow in general and that is Nasu's best work yet.

[maximilianjenus]

Rather, coudl you take this someplace else ?

Real men who are doing their jobs cutting down trees and hunting whales while checking the animesuki forum to see when will fate zero air get annoyed at this silly conversation.

[Blue-kun]

Too bad majority here just ride on the Bee Train hate bandwagon just because it's the cool thing to do. They are capable of good animation and music, I think they could have done a better job with some of their later titles, but .hack and Phantom are all excellent shows.

Beetrain hasn't done good animation since...Medarot? I don't think I remember any Beetrain show which had good animation in the first place, aside from that one (and Popolocrois), and that's because all sorts of famous gengaman worked on it, such as Imaishi and Toshiyuki Inoue. As for everything else (and recent stuff in particular), at most you could say it doesn't look bad, but that's clearly because Beetrain shows in general have been high on the still shots and pans. It's almost like a signature of every new show produced by that studio, even more so if it's directed by Mashimo.

That said, I have nothing against the studio itself, and discussing animation based solely on the studio's name is generally a bad idea. Mostly everyone dislikes DEEN, but Dragon Crisis! is one of the best animated shows from this season, and that's because it has a very competent sakukan on it called Masashi Ishihama, who also worked on Read or Die and Tokikake, for instance. In the end, unless we're talking about Kyoto Animation, who's always using in-house staff for their shows, animation as a whole will be majorly dependant on which gengaman are working on the show.

>he's in disagreement with the majority, he must be a troll!

excellent logic there, people.

I wouldn't mind one bit if you were in disagreement with other people as long as your posts, in general, had any sort of content to them. I think it's fine to voice your (negative) opinion on something, as long as you can back up your claims with any sort of argument. I'm sorry, but going into threads and saying "this sucks, this is bad and this is poor" isn't adding anything noteworthy to the conversation, and even if your original intent wasn't trolling, that's what people are going to believe it is. Plus, if you really want to be taken seriously by most members, maybe writing things in a way which won't seem rude to others is a good start.

And Maaya Sakamoto is better off singing. I would have preferred Ami Koshimizu as Shiki, but blame ufotrain on the casting.

Funny, I myself always preferred Maya as a seiyuu than a singer. I never really clicked with her singing voice, and usually don't feel anything towards her songs. The exception would be Hemisphere, I guess. Oh well, to each his own!

the animation? dry. Windy Tales (though not by bones) and Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood's animation flows more freely. Art? Now that is a matter of taste. KnK's art was just not my thing

I'm a tremendous fan of Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, but calling Kara no Kyoukai's animation 'dry' is just trying to find something bad where it doesn't exist. I've said it once and I'll say it again, but Kara no Kyoukai is highly regarded by japanese sakuga fans and is considered a great example of how to make a good sakuga anime. I'm not saying FMA:B is bad, far from it, since it was the most impressive thing from 2010 by a long shot in this regard. Still, Rakkyo is full of really good animation, with some of the coolest action scenes out there. One example of it is the Shiki vs Zombies fight in the 5th movie, which, aside from looking awesome and having tons of really well animated movements, has another fun factor to it: all of it consisted of keyframes only, no in-between animation was added to it because of how good it looked. The guy who did it started working on it from storyboard stage and most likely produced that minute or so worth of animation by himself. The rest of the staff was probably worrying that adding douga might ruin the flow of the whole thing, so in the end they just left it untouched. :heh:

Oh well, this will be my last post here regarding this matter, because despite being related to ufotable as a whole - who is the studio in charge of F/Z -, it's still not related to the actual show. If you, antigone, want to discuss this any further, feel free to PM me or leave a message on my profile.

[Haak]

what more do i have to elaborate?

the voice acting? the final part was cheesy. in general, there's not just much life in MAaya's acting.

the animation? dry. Windy Tales (though not by bones) and Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood's animation flows more freely. Art? Now that is a matter of taste. KnK's art was just not my thing

What else?

the actual adaptation? tsukihime has better flow in general and that is Nasu's best work yet.

I'm no expert. I can't comment on voice acting nor animation (personally I didn't have problem), and as for the art the only anime I've seen that compares to it is 5 Centimeters Per Second. But do you seriously believe that Tsukihime was a better adaptation there is a Tsukihime anime?

[ZODDGUTS]

Wait there was a Tsukihime anime? But seriously that adaptation was mediocre. Really hope there an anime remake around when the Game remake comes out.

[antigone]

what i meant was that Tsukihime was a better source material than Kara no Kyoukai.

the tsukihime anime itself was horribad

[Haak]

Can't say since I've only read Mirai Fuukin so I can't comment on whether Tsukihime is better or not, literary-wise. Story-wise, I personally likerf Kara no Kyoukai more, since I find Ryougi Shiki far more interesting than Tohno Shiki. For Tohno he seems to just have this infinitely powerful split personaility and it just seems so convenient to me. On the other hand Ryougi Shiki's split personality is an actual problem that's given a whole chapter of development. There are other things that I like more but I think that's one of the major reasons.

[Daniel E.]

Please stay on topic folks. This is a general thread for the Fate/Zero anime. If you want to go into details about other shows please do so in the corresponding threads.

[jzmagic]

I really wish they'd do a Fate/Stay Night sequel.

I'm not a huge fan of prequels in general because they're backwards looking. Nonetheless, more Saber is pure win, especially in a suit.

[felix]

Isn't Fate/Zero something like a retcon—sequel?

[Reckoner]

Isn't Fate/Zero something like a retcon—sequel?

It's the prequel actually. It details the story of the previous Holy Grail War.

[felix]

It's the prequel actually. It details the story of the previous Holy Grail War.Oh, so then no wussy main character… or any of the old characters? Aside from the servants, Saber, Lancer, etc.

[Reckoner]

Oh, so then no wussy main character… or any of the old characters? Aside from the servants, Saber, Lancer, etc.

Only some of the servants are still present (Saber, Gilgamesh). The main character I believe is Shirou's father.

And yeah, no Shirou in this one (But hey, Shirou may be dense at times, but he certainly has his GAR moments, specifically in the VN, the anime by DEEN was FAIL though).

Also, the tone of fate/zero will be significantly more dark.

[DragoZERO]

Only some of the servants are still present (Saber, Gilgamesh). The main character I believe is Shirou's father.Don't forget about Kotomine. There are other characters from the VN, but it's only those four from the failed anime.

And yeah, no Shirou in this one (But hey, Shirou may be dense at times, but he certainly has his GAR moments, specifically in the VN, the anime by DEEN was FAIL though).Yeah, I would call Shirou dense, not a wuss. Even in the anime, we wasn't a wuss. A wuss wouldn't get cleaved by a giant rock sword to save a girl, he'd run away to the dead end.

Also, the tone of fate/zero will be significantly more dark.That is one thing I am not looking forward to. But, it will still be awesome.

[maximilianjenus]

lancer is a different lancer.
illy, shiro, sakura and rin appear just as childs.
illya's mother, kiritsugu, kirei, sakura's father/uncle/grandparent and rin's father reappear.
saber, gilgamesh-archer and true assassin reappear.

[hoarfrost]

Aside from the obviously great sequences like Ea, Ionian Hetairoi, and Zero Berserker in general, I'm looking forward to seeing mature magi fighting and not just children. Remember Araya in KnK? And that guy is considered below average as a magus. Tokiomi, Lord El-Melloi, Kiritsugu, Kotomine, the masters in Zero are all on a different level than the kids in Fate.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Aside from the obviously great sequences like Ea, Ionian Hetairoi, and Zero Berserker in general, I'm looking forward to seeing mature magi fighting and not just children. Remember Araya in KnK? And that guy is considered below average as a magus. Tokiomi, Lord El-Melloi, Kiritsugu, Kotomine, the masters in Zero are all on a different level than the kids in Fate.

He's actually not that powerful of a magus. He's just smart enough to use a gun.

[Flinch]

They actually say in the novel that in comparison to his wife, Kiritsugu is practically nothing in terms of ability. All he has is a really fortunate Magic Crest and a really rape-tastic Mystic Code.

[hoarfrost]

I put Kiritsugu with the rest merely because he is a good example of a hyper-specialist and is pretty much broken against the typical squishy wizard, even if he doesn't have the same repertoire of tricks.

[DragoZERO]

They actually say in the novel that in comparison to his wife, Kiritsugu is practically nothing in terms of ability. All he has is a really fortunate Magic Crest and a really rape-tastic Mystic Code.
She's Illya's mother, I'd expect her to be kick ass.

*jumps up and down* So... when is this going to air?

[RadiantBeam]

...

Saber is far too cute for her own good in the promotional art. I want to hug her.

[GDB]

*jumps up and down* So... when is this going to air?

There's no stated date yet, so it's still at least 3-4 seasons away.

[Shiroth]

There's no stated date yet, so it's still at least 3-4 seasons away.
It's hardly going to air in 2012. I'd easily say October airing at the latest.

[MisaoFan]

It's hardly going to air in 2012. I'd easily say October airing at the latest.

Since the official website is updated, I guess that it will premiere in July.

[fertygo]

Bet my money its will airing in fall season.

[RadiantBeam]

I'm going to throw in my bet on it airing during the fall season, too; probably October at the latest, like Shiroth said.

[felix]

It has the scent of fall season to me too.

[DragoZERO]

I will hope and pray that it's fall. But they could push it off, you never know.

[Shiroth]

It has the scent of fall season to me too.
Because Fall is a dark time? I totally agree. :cool:

[Kuroi Hadou]

Because Fall is a dark time? I totally agree. :cool:

Nah. If they were going for that it would be in Winter.:cool:

[DragoZERO]

What time of the year does the series start in?

[Vicious108]

October, really? (I know it's just your speculation, but yeah) Why would they announce a series 9 months before it actually airs? That'd be silly IMO, I'm hoping for the summer season, unless we already know it won't be in that one.

[applejuice]

October, really? (I know it's just your speculation, but yeah) Why would they announce a series 9 months before it actually airs? That'd be silly IMO, I'm hoping for the summer season, unless we already know it won't be in that one.

Angel Beats was announced extremely early, but successfully hyped the entire series to the maximum during that period. It's all busy-ness.

[felix]

@Shiroth, most of my favorite shows always seem to fall in into fall season.
Nah. If they were going for that it would be in Winter.:cool:The last one was in january, expect them to push it up a notch; expectations are higher this time I think.

But this is all just speculation… so back on topic, does it retcon–prequel the other series? Or is it faithful to the events.

[Shiroth]

October, really? (I know it's just your speculation, but yeah) Why would they announce a series 9 months before it actually airs? That'd be silly IMO, I'm hoping for the summer season, unless we already know it won't be in that one.
There's a lot of shows that are announced that early, but yeah this is just speculation. None of us know when it will actually air.

But this is all just speculation… so back on topic, does it retcon–prequel the other series? Or is it faithful to the events.
It's pretty damn faithful.

[GDB]

I don't see why it's far-fetched to think it won't air for a while. Just look at a few things that air next season (Spring Season).

Hidan no Aria - April 19, 2010
Steins;Gate - July 25th, 2010

That's 9-12 months prior to air for both of them. The series with less popularity would have shorter times between announcement and airing, but with all the hype this is getting? And with Unlimited Blade Works hype still stirring things a bit? Include the supposed animation, number of episodes, and story-accurate quality we're going to be getting, and I don't think it'd be too much to think it'll take 12+ months after announcement before airing.

Winter's usually not the season you launch a big project, and neither is Summer. That leaves Spring and Fall, and Fall just feels too early for what's being hyped.

[DragoZERO]

I'd wait til Spring if it meant it would be better.

[Shiroth]

I really don't see the series would air in Spring 2012. The novels are finished plus there's only four of them, meaning we could easily see the series starting Fall 2011.

[DragoZERO]

It is airing in 2011. http://blog.livedoor.jp/humanity6/archives/51644044.html

[Ravenblitz]

Newtype

http://i.imgur.com/atYE9l.jpg (http://imgur.com/atYE9)

[Shiroth]

^Damn text getting in the way of making a Saber avatar out of that image. :p

[Haak]

Kiritsugu's body proportions look a bit odd.

[DragoZERO]

^Damn text getting in the way of making a Saber avatar out of that image. :p
Is it?
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/1107/saberzeroav1.png (http://img560.imageshack.us/i/saberzeroav1.png/)

Kiritsugu's body proportions look a bit odd.
He does have... a small head.

[felix]

He does have... a small head.He looks good to me.