Again, I brought up ONE topic and you completely disregarded it and brought up a whole lot more. If you want a debate, I'll reply as much as I'm able, but if you're just gonna disregard my points, debates are clearly not for us.<---Kettle meet pot
That's you. I know you haven't if did you wouldn't have assumed. Do you need a brick building to fall on your head? You brought up Masaki. I did not. Then you said...it's sad that his family and mother becomes second fiddle and Rukia took that spot.<--You implied I thought this ...when I never said any such things.
By you saying that...You inferred that I am comparing His mom and family to His feelings for Rukia. I am telling you ...No I am not. His mother is irreplaceable and I am not including her. I
mean ALL his deepest thoughts regarding the two. Orihime and Rukia. For one em he has none.....
Became his world...Has nothing to do with his feelings for his family or mother. They are excluded because you can't compare the two. So it's you who is misunderstanding.
There was no reason for you to bring them up. Because they are included in my comparison so it isn't really relevant
And his reasons for wanting to be a Shinigami has nothing to do with the situation. Except for the fact that Rukia made it possible and it's Ichigo himself who says "She stops the rain"
You should read what you said again. Because you seem to have forgotten what you said.
So again you actually tackled my posts based on your on preconceived notions ...even if you hadn't read all my posts before...That's why I said "IF" Big meaning for such a small word...you shouldn't overlook it..
But if you're going to cling to your stubborn beliefs ...then I agree it makes no sense...because we aren't on the same page. Because for some reason you don't think you said what you said...nor do you realized I answered it even if it was something I didn't believe in the first place....
I also explained my POV and who I was making comparison's to so you'd know
Um how come you don't realize you touched on more than one thing in those posts
I don't feel breaking up your quotes so I just summed it up....
Became and Was ...wasn't an argument. I was defining it for you...
because I didn't say his mother wasn't his world. She WAS
Rukia became his world because she is responsible for curing the pain of losing his mother because she WAS his world. He loves Rukia but in no way does that say he doesn't love his mother. He does...that's why Rukia's gift is so important to him.
I don't know why you think it does...life goes on. If Rukia is most important person right now...that does not mean his mother wasn't the most important person in his life...she was.
PS: I need to sleep. Apparently, it's a very important human body need and mine is screaming. I'll try to check tomorrow if you reply to this, but I don't have time as a luxury so I'm not sure if tomorrow is doable. All the same, good day to you.
"Why do you keep calling me a dude? I am a girl."
—It's an expression. I don't really care about the gender of the person I'm talking to: a dude's a dude to me no matter what part of the baby-making process you happen to be.
"At no time am I ever comparing his feelings to that of his family."
—Uhm. I never said I was comparing his feelings to that of his family. The fact that you assumed that means you're bringing up issues I never even mentioned in my post. So, nope. YOU were still the one assuming things. My bringing up Masaki is completely different from me saying that Ichigo looks at Rukia/Orihime in the same way he does Masaki.
I have actually brought this up in my reply, but I figured I'd say it here again either way.
"Became and Was....means two different things."
—"Became" and "Was" are two different things, yes, but you are still arguing that Rukia is the center of Ichigo's world when she canonically isn't. She BECAME his world, you say, but while important, Ichigo's life doesn't revolve around her. Masaki was the center of his world. Was, because she's dead. But Ichigo's issues in regards to protecting people are still very much present and those issues were brought up by his mother. She might be dead but she is still pretty influential. That's why I think, if there is someone at Ichigo's center, it is STILL Masaki. I am not bringing her up to compare her to Rukia and Orihime; I am bringing her up to point out a specific part of Ichigo's character. There is a world of difference.
"What part of this are you not getting?"
—I am not getting the part where you wrote a humongous post with a lot of detail on things I haven't asked while completely dismissing my argument. That's what I'm not getting.
"Did I not tell you that I am only comparing his relationship to Orihime and Chad."
—Please don't assume I've read all your post. I hardly go here. I see that one post of yours, LOL-ed at the bit where you said "All of Ichigo's deepest thoughts are about Rukia," and decided to post accordingly. I'm sorry that you felt insulted, that was not my intention. But you calling me an idiot when I was actually pointing out a valid argument in your post is rude. The fact that you never bothered to address it was even more rude.
The problem here is we read the series with entirely too different perspectives. This means we'll hardly see eye-to-eye. You think your points are very obvious, whereas I think your points are, at most, conjectures based on proceedings in the manga. You think Rukia is the prime mover of Ichigo in the series, whereas I, while I do think she has been a major player, see her as a character achieving her character arc, and will become stagnant if she remains in focus.
Again, I brought up ONE topic and you completely disregarded it and brought up a whole lot more. If you want a debate, I'll reply as much as I'm able, but if you're just gonna disregard my points, debates are clearly not for us.
Dude. Something I assume to believe? YOU said Rukia was Ichigo's center, I just quoted you and disagreed. YOU said, and I quote, "All his deepest thoughts and feelings are all about Rukia." Not, "some" or even, "most". ALL. This means that Ichigo's thoughts regarding his other friends and families are not his "deepest thoughts" despite how his family is how his Shinigami business started anyway, how he trains to be strong for his friends. How much his mother's death still haunts him till the rain arc. My posts and replies are all BASED on points you posted and you say I'm ASSUMING? You're the one who posted a monster of a reply on something I never even TACKLED in my post.<---no that was you Who's assuming here?
I have mentioned all of those things in various posts. And I even agreed with you on the reasons he became a shinigami...It's you who isn't getting it!! You're seriously making want to bang your head on desk!
Aside from his mother(She's not included so I am not talking about her ever!!!)...ALL his deepest thoughts are regarding Rukia. You are the one who is guilty of assumption...not I...
Dude. Something I assume to believe? YOU said Rukia was Ichigo's center, I just quoted you and disagreed. YOU said, and I quote, "All his deepest thoughts and feelings are all about Rukia." Not, "some" or even, "most". ALL. This means that Ichigo's thoughts regarding his other friends and families are not his "deepest thoughts" despite how his family is how his Shinigami business started anyway, how he trains to be strong for his friends. How much his mother's death still haunts him till the rain arc. My posts and replies are all BASED on points you posted and you say I'm ASSUMING? You're the one who posted a monster of a reply on something I never even TACKLED in my post. Who's assuming here?
Let me repeat what I stated in my previous post to you: "I'm certain you'll misunderstand my point again..." How right I was.
no it was to keep you from looking stupid while being so insulting...since I never said that. I understood your posts completely...but it didn't apply to me because I never thought that in the first place...
I wanted you to know so next time you aim at me..it will actually be for something I actually believe is true not something you assume I believe. You are free to poke holes in what I say...but you can do without the snide remarks. The people I take jabs at...are really my buds...we are just enemies in that thread. You just came out of nowhere with insults based on your own assumptions.
So if you gonna stab me...just do it for something you have seen me me say. not what you think I said.
I don't mind verbal fencing...I can do it many ways. I just prefer not to use veiled insults like you...okay some where not...some you just straight out said...
But in the end I don't care if you agree or not...which is why I don't believe in red reps...
"Because you are guilty of preconceived notions and assumptions without knowing anything about the person you are responding to." -- LOL! I didn't realize I needed to be close and intimate with you to address what I feel was wrong in your argument. Nor that quoting what you yourself said can be considered as "preconceived notions and assumptions." I'm certain you'll misunderstand my point again (as you have repeatedly done so), but it was nice to know you spend a great deal of your time to address me.