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  1. Last Sinner
    2011-11-24 05:53
    Last Sinner
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    I can see how you might see my girlfriend's specific tastes in cute surprising, but are you implying you don't know many female anime fans who like cute stuff?
    That is what I'm implying. The only cute characters females have ever talked about with me are Hatsune Miku, Haruhi Suzumiya and Saber/Rin from Fate/Stay Night.

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    Because most of the "90s shoujo fans" I know (which is most of the female anime fans I know who are older than me) love cute stuff
    The ones around my parts are quite anti-shoujo actually. Except for a few who dig Sailor Moon, but that's about it.

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    along with their bishounen and sappy romances (gay or straight). They may not necessarily have the sensibilities of the modern moe fan, but if I show them Toradora they'll usually love it.
    Doubt that many would even know what Toradora is. I usually find loli-loving males to be the Toradora fans. Bishies are popular for certain among them. And actually, they like hot females. A LOT.

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    Moving to younger fans, the fujoshi crowd is definitely there but I've also noticed a lot more female fans that are into seinen stuff.
    Yaoi/bishouen outsells almost anything over here in my state amongst females. And it's not younger females I see buying it. It's mid 20s females, dressed up very classy/office style ducking in, slyly getting it from the shelf, paying and escaping post-haste. Wish they were into seinen stuff - I don't know any that are. You know what title is the most bought title by females in my state at the bigger of the two manga stores? Gantz. I kid you not - the females like it apparently. Black Butler is also a seller.

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    I do convention photography, and I've seen an awful lot of girls cosplay characters from Haruhi, Higurashi, Shana, Toradora, Madoka, Angel Beats, K-On!, Macross Frontier, and maybe Fate/Stay Night, Clannad, and Working. That may be a bit of selection bias on my part though, since the vast majority of the cosplay photography I do is cute girls cosplaying shows I know.
    Most of those don't here. C.C. from Code Geass is an eternal fan favourite along with Final Fantasy 7/10/13 characters. Along with the glut of Naruto, Pokemon, One Piece and Bleach cosplayers *sigh*. There really isn't much variety there. And the judges don't seem to favour bravery - unless the costume had a lot of effort put into it.

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    My girlfriend is a bit unusual in that she's not really an action fan at all - most female fans I know watch shows with at least a bit of action. On the other hand, she's really into drama, romance, and seifuku
    Australian women are more active, aggressive and demanding than most other countries. Can tell you cute shows that were popular 10 years ago like Fruits Basket are turn offs for the current generation. Or if they are fans of that stuff, I don't meet them or see them - they could be the reclusive ones. Seriously, most of the titles you mention - I bet 99% of them wouldn't have a clue what they are.


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    Forgot to mention, Boku wa Tomodachi is another one she wanted to watch in fall but didn't get time for.
    You still going to dare her to read some h-material out loud? :P

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    Also, if I had to pick what older series she likes, I'd said Cardcaptor Sakura and Utena. Both of which she saw around age ten.
    That explains a lot.

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    Actually, she also saw Evangelion and Lain around age ten with her older siblings (eight and ten years older, respectively) but doesn't remember much of them beyond "robots, penguins, and teddy bear pajamas". I'm not quite sure what to say about that.
    Sounds like her sanity's intact so that's a good start. Doubt she missed much from Evangelion. Lain she definitely would have and should give another lookover.
  2. 0utf0xZer0
    2011-11-24 04:15
    0utf0xZer0
    It's more a matter of demographic than timeslot. People who will eat instant noodles for two weeks to afford a figure aren't exactly the target audience of most advertisers. Hence, a show like Monster is going to be more appealing.

    Monster aired at 12:40 but a lot of Noitamina shows did too... and if you pay close attention, you may notice that Noitamina shows are frequently 23 minutes rather than the 24 of most late night shows. More ad time. Monster does admittedly use 24 minute episodes, but to me the difference suggests a difference in the importance of advertising to a project.

    I can see how you might see my girlfriend's specific tastes in cute surprising, but are you implying you don't know many female anime fans who like cute stuff? Because most of the "90s shoujo fans" I know (which is most of the female anime fans I know who are older than me) love cute stuff, along with their bishounen and sappy romances (gay or straight). They may not necessarily have the sensibilities of the modern moe fan, but if I show them Toradora they'll usually love it.

    Moving to younger fans, the fujoshi crowd is definitely there but I've also noticed a lot more female fans that are into seinen stuff. I do convention photography, and I've seen an awful lot of girls cosplay characters from Haruhi, Higurashi, Shana, Toradora, Madoka, Angel Beats, K-On!, Macross Frontier, and maybe Fate/Stay Night, Clannad, and Working. That may be a bit of selection bias on my part though, since the vast majority of the cosplay photography I do is cute girls cosplaying shows I know.

    My girlfriend is a bit unusual in that she's not really an action fan at all - most female fans I know watch shows with at least a bit of action. On the other hand, she's really into drama, romance, and seifuku - most of which I gathered because she was cosplaying Chihiro Shindou from EF: A Tale of Memories the first time we met. Also, girls likes girls who are "s". She's actually watched some ecchi/harem stuff that borders on softcore because she likes the uniforms or a particularly "s" girl. I've met other girls who watch and love seinen romance such as Key shows, EF, Sola, True Tears, etc, alongside shoujo romances, but she's one of only two girls I know who will look to ecchi shows for her fix... and the other just seems to dig perverted stuff in general.

    Forgot to mention, Boku wa Tomodachi is another one she wanted to watch in fall but didn't get time for. Also, if I had to pick what older series she likes, I'd said Cardcaptor Sakura and Utena. Both of which she saw around age ten. Actually, she also saw Evangelion and Lain around age ten with her older siblings (eight and ten years older, respectively) but doesn't remember much of them beyond "robots, penguins, and teddy bear pajamas". I'm not quite sure what to say about that.
  3. Last Sinner
    2011-11-23 12:51
    Last Sinner
    I wouldn't have thought Monster to be showing in better time slots though. TV revenue means little unless you're in the kids or dinner slots, which Toei and Bandai benefit big time from.

    Hmm, interesting list. Lot of drama and cuteness. Very anti what the females around my way watch. There seems to be three predominant types in my parts - fujioshi, shounen junkies and those who like their female characters but in a non-yuri way.
  4. 0utf0xZer0
    2011-11-20 16:42
    0utf0xZer0
    Monster has always struck me as a broadcast revenue rather than DVD revenue centric show Ė the one place Iíve heard itís a hit in the west is French cable TV. Actually, Iíd say that the relative strength of broadcast revenue and DVD /Bluray revenue explains a lot about anime in recent years, as the way I understand it the former has been weakening considerable since around 2007.

    (Know what else has aired on French cable? Kurenai. Which as you know isnít even licensed in English markets.)

    I met my girlfriend through doing cosplay photos at conventions so I our tastes might be a little more otaku than those of most couples that watch anime. Iíll start with the stuff we watched together after it aired:

    Moon Phase
    Genshiken
    Revolutionary Girl Utena
    Bungaku Shoujo (the movie, I think we saw the OVAs separately)
    Bakemonogatari (Bluray cut)
    various episodes of Azumanga Diaoh and Sketchbook.

    One of the major reasons I still havenít gotten around to Kara no Kyoukai is that she wants to see it and isnít available most weekends. Thatís probably my top priority for Christmas break, then. She also expressed interest in attending events for Serial Experiments Lain, Toradora, and Haruhi (all of which she has seen) but was too busy to attend.

    And as far the stuff we've watched as it airs:

    Fall 2010:
    Kuragahime
    Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru

    Winter 2011
    Madoka Magica
    Wandering Son

    Spring 2011:
    Steins;Gate
    AnoHana
    Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko
    Moshidora
    A Channel (stalled)

    Summer 2011:
    Steins;Gate (carryover)
    Mawaru Penguin Drum
    Ikoku Meiro no Croisee
    BakaTest II
    Yuruyuri (stalled, then she watched the last few episodes without me)

    Fall 2011:
    Mawaru Penguin Drum (carryover)
    Mashiro-iro Symphony

    We were going to watch Fate/Zero together but that kind of fell through because sheís been super busy and thereís limits on how long Iím willing to wait before watching new F/Z episodes.
  5. Last Sinner
    2011-11-18 12:38
    Last Sinner
    What would that list of shows be, out of curiousity? I'm interested to hear about what couples watch together anime-wise.

    The more I watched Monster, the more it just blew me away. For me, it's writing, storytelling and characterisation at its finest. There are many examples of directors aiming for epicness and either derailing or settling for too low. Monster is the one time I can say from start to finish that the author knew exactly where he wanted to go and how to get there, as well as a studio giving it exactly what the adaptation needed. Amusing that botched epicness is what sells most yet when someone gets it right, hardly anyone notices. And I know that the new crop of anime fans would probably be unable to appreciate it, because so much has changed in the fandom in the last 5 years. One one level, I'm glad that I know of something utterly sublime that a lot of people of people will never know about. Yet that same fact makes me equally sad. The fact it got a full licensing in English then got halted after only 15 eps were released in the West and likely never will be fully released sickens me.
  6. 0utf0xZer0
    2011-11-17 03:52
    0utf0xZer0
    Will add it to the list of things to watch with my girlfriend over Christmas break - given that she was apparently a huge fan of the show when she was around ten or so (as in, can still remember what clips are from what episodes ten years later), I think it would be kind of wrong not to invite her.

    BTW, I've actually seen - in full - and liked Monster, although my gut feeling is that a lot of this had to do with the (brilliant) decision by the then president of my university anime club to split the series into twelve 6-7 episode blocks and show them weekly in the course of a single semester. Mushishi on the other hand just did not work for me at all.
  7. Last Sinner
    2011-11-16 05:05
    Last Sinner
    Hang on - you haven't watched Carcaptor Sakura?

    Put that on your 'to watch' list ASAP! Hell, it's one of the first few animes I ever watched, I saw it back in 1999.
  8. Last Sinner
    2011-11-09 09:44
    Last Sinner
    ANN seem keen to kill Fate/Zero in the US.

    http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=1145

    Link to Santos's review of F/Z in that post. Be warned - it's so unprofessional for a commercial arena, it's sickening.
  9. 0utf0xZer0
    2011-11-09 04:16
    0utf0xZer0
    Will probably still be a bit before I get around to replying to the Infinite Stratos review, but did you know that a then 14 year old Kana Hanazawa was involved in Last Exile?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9FVi...ayer_embedded#!
    Fairly typical KanaHana role... but that clip surprised me in that some of the stuff she was doing as far back as 06/07 shows some variety.
  10. Last Sinner
    2011-11-08 09:43
    Last Sinner
    Finished with IS. Can't believe there was actually no plot/story whatsoever. It really was harem service with nationalism, visuals and pretend-mechs. Charlotte was delightful but left high and dry. Houki became likeable somewhat by the end but was still underdone. Laura was potentially interesting but almost a non-factor. Rin is horses for courses and not my type - plus became irrelevant damn fast. Cecilia is just a joke. I don't regret watching it but next time, might only watch parts with Charlotte and Houki. Shame because this could have been really cool if it bothered to have a story! Instead it feels like a video game. Hell, the harem was unresolved...

    I facepalmed a lot. Yet...I finished IS...and fairly fast. I found it easy to watch, actually. I'm just underwhelmed. *shrug* I don't even know how to rate it. Maybe 7/10 - that's my usual mark for a show I finished but thought was still lacking considerably. I could watch it again but I ain't buying it. That Charlotte figure by Alter will do just fine.

    All in all, thanks for getting me to watch it. If anything, I learnt how much nationalism and character designs mean compared to story and writing. Although I think if it did have a decent story, it would have sold 5-10k more.

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