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Let's see if we can get a conversation going on in here. As
pointed out this group is a bit on a silent side.
Here's a chat I've been working on a while and just finished. I'll admit it's quite provocative and what ever you do don't take it personally. It's not directed to any of you. What inspired me to write it was a conversation I had with an old pro-photographer acquaintance of mine and a photo I came across a few months ago where someone took a picture of a bunch of groceries he or she had just bought. And ranting a bit is often quite refreshing.
It's open mic night people. Speak your mind.
i read your article,make a reply at your articleXD
chison believe quantity is better than quality(unknown researcher)
11thsquad come join in and chat^^
I made some small revisions to the article based on your feedback. I think you might have slightly misinterpreted the point I was trying to make.
Very interesting pictures. Quite amazing place you found. A bit difficult lighting conditions I see but the vegetation is well lit even as highlights burn out a bit. Good stuff.
a misunderstanding the article ,sorry
just a question^^
do you guys accept a bit of photoshop in the phtography industry?.w.
Photography industry is split in half what it comes to photoshopping. Some (or rather very few fundamentalist purists) feel that it somehow compromises the integrity of the craft. IMO they're idiots. And they'll be rather soon looking for some other work.
Taking a picture is just half of the process. This goes to digital as well as film photography. Best pictures in the film photography days were born in dark rooms. It's quite amazing what people can do to photos in development process. I'm simply in awe for the wizardry of the best photo developers. Nowadays this is simply done with photoshop. In fraction of the time and with fraction of the effort. Image manipulation has always been there. It's just more accessible today. I photoshop every single photo I take. They always need some level or color correction at the very least. Often I manipulate the draw, remove defects and distracting elements etc. The message that photograph is meant to relay comes first. Everything else in it is just a distraction and might as well be removed or faded into the background. That's how I think. I mostly shoot RAW pictures so some photoshopping is a must actually.
I read your entry as well. I could reply there or here, maybe I'll copy and paste to both?
Photography has certainly become a lot more accessible. Aside from cameras being built into cellphones and having cheap point-and-shoot cameras readily available, DSLRs have also become much more reachable for consumers. The big difference is in what we're using our cameras for. My exposure to P&S users has largely been the college Facebook crowd - every picture is of them and their friends. Occasionally if they see something neat they'll try to capture it, but their photos are more for their memory and less for taking a great picture. There's nothing wrong with that.
Moving up to the next segment of photography will require more money, more equipment, more knowledge of camera functions, and most importantly: having an eye for your subjects. It always sounds incredibly easy, just put the camera into automatic mode, fill the frame, and shoot. In the beginning you'll probably think this is the best it'll get, until you start comparing with other people. They somehow get better angles; they see things differently. Macro photographers have an eye for small things, wildlife photographers can find nature, architecture photographers find the beauty in what may be mundane to most, time lapse photographers have the eye for the passage of time - the list goes on. The purpose of photography to me has always been to share your vision of the world with others in a visual form. Not everyone will or can exercise their own visions, just as it seems that not everyone can be an excellent artist. While professional photographers may become a group distinguished only in that they're willing to travel to exotic places to take pictures, there will always be that vision difference between people.
, Here will do fine. Nobody reads the blog anyway.
Pictures that the facebook crowd take serve their purpose at least to extent. As long they don't shove their pictures in my face I don't care. I have a couple of times received about 60 MMS messages in a day though, containing photos of absolutely nothing. That somewhat pissed me off.
I think I'll add a paragraph or two to the article inspired by the latter part of your post. You made some good points I neglected to mention in it.
EDIT: I'll paste the addition here as well.
I’m a bit concerned about something I keep hearing. “I have a camera I can take the pictures.” Be that graduation, wedding, etc. photos, photos taken to remember a truly special occasion. No you can’t. Owning a camera doesn’t make you a photographer. Does owning a few brushes, some paint and a canvas make you a painter?
Portraits are something that I fear as a field. It’s in my opinion the most difficult form of photography. Well it’s relatively easy as long as your audience doesn’t know the subject. But when they do you often hear something that may sound a bit strange. “That doesn’t look like him/her.” Sure it does look like him/her. It’s a picture taken with a technical apparatus that’s purpose is to capture light and thus is quite capable of reproducing the image it sees. The problem is that The picture doesn’t feel like the subject. In effect to take a good portrait you need to do just what caused fear among many “primitive” people when the first cameras appeared - capture the soul of your subject. Portrait is not just a picture of someones face. You need to capture the personality of the subject - offer a glimpse to your subjects soul. Just owning a camera doesn’t give you tools to that. It’s not even just about timing. Every element in the picture can either contribute to the feel of the picture or contradict it. Taking a good portrait is a delicate balancing act and you need a shitload of experience to master it.
off- a bit of topic,i am thinking of open a newgroup of
photograph aid drawing artist
"must be easiler for artist and photographer this way
i believe photographer in here are quite professional"
but for sme artist ,a records level of photographs can help "
base on this idea,this is a Bridge to get to grey area working with general permission
then i will be less bother to Photographers United.
it does raise an interesting point. Photography really is an art form. I used to be content to just snap away, but when you look back you do realize that these pictures aren't anything special, and they may not even be so great as memory aids. There really is more to a good capture than just a sharp image and good colors. Of course, the technical aspect is there as well: I've often mused at seeing people trying to capture something under very difficult environmental conditions, and their equipment just won't let them. What's hilarious is seeing people trying to do things like macrophotography in gardens - aside from the P&Sers, I've seen people using their cameraphones in an effort to do it, too! I don't look down on it as that was my start into photography, but it's amusing to see
I don't know how photographers help artists, but I'd be willing to join your group and contribute photos that artists request and find helpful.
I had a chance of watching a pro-photographer acquaintance of mine taking portraits this morning. I haven't been able to do so before and I found his working methods quite interesting. I thought I'd share some of my observations.
First of all - equipment. He's a Canonist such as myself. He used a Canon EOS 1Ds Mk. II camera body and Canon EF 85mm F1.2L II prime lens and a macbook pro with camera control software. He didn't use studio flashes but video lights. And he had placed the camera on a tripod. The reason will become evident later.
Then to his methods which I found rather amusing. He asked my friend who was the subject to sit down on a chair in the studio, sat in front his computer and told mt friend, he'll be making some adjustments and it'll take a few minutes. Then he just started making some small talk (which is something that Finns generally don't do), told extremely stupid but harmless jokes and played around with his computer. At times he gave my friend some small instructions because he wanted to measure the lighting. My friend actually though that he was a complete moron but he managed to set quite a comfortable mood. This went on for roughly 10 minutes. Then he just got up and said thanks we're done. My friend was somewhat confused because it seemed that he hadn't taken a single picture.
Some old pro trickery. He had locked the viewfinder mirror up so the camera was almost silent. And he had actually started shooting pictures the moment my friend sat down. During those ten minutes he took more than 300 pictures. My friend was blissfully ignorant that she was being photographed and out of the 300+ pictures there were dozens of really excellent natural looking shots. Portraits that really showed the person not just her face so the trick seemed to work.
I think that was a great example how you can capitalize on the possibilities of digital photography.
A link I thought I'd share.
Ledgem - Well... I can't entirely agree on Chison's remark about photography help artists, but I would assume he may mean it as i gives artist a sense a realism. Meaning the correct depth and lighting necessary for an artist to properly draw within their image to create a realistic image.
Lighting is the key, both for photography and illustrations.
Stay out of my group, Ledgem!
Just kidding ^^
*thinking* "does Ledgem... draw...?*
Yay! Just got my Hoya R72 IR-filter for my 50mm prime. Seems I'm doing some photographing tonight.
Tested the R72 a bit. Nothing spectacular. Seems I need a bit more practice with it... Also the ir-block in the sensor gives me a bit of a hard time. Exposure times are very very long and as I was taking pictures at sunset, the color temperature of the ambient light was far from optimal. Next time I'll try taking pictures at noon. Should work better.
Oh man. Canon's EF 200mm F/2L IS USM is out. 5500€ Just wondering, which kidney and lung I'm going to sell...
EDIT: More toys. Since it seems that 300D is somewhat capable of near IR-photography, I bought two more R72s. 55mm for my FD lenses and 58mm for my EF 18-55.
Wrote another little photography-themed chat. Feedback is very welcome, as always.
Read it here.
Two of my components (one lens and my extension tube) are weather-sealed. Olympus calls this "dust and splash-proof." I presume this means that I don't have to worry about dust getting inside, and that it's water-resistant. What are the limits to this? I'd imagine that any lens could survive a light rain, but can a weather-sealed lens survive extended use in a downpour? My camera body is not weather-sealed so I will not be abusing the lens, but I was curious...
In general you can feel quite safe about dust. However they're not generally resistant to all dust. For example fly ash etc. dust with a microscopic grain size can get through. Water resistance is usually a bit of a bad joke so I wouldn't recommend using them in heavy downpour. Light rain or small splashes shouldn't be a problem unless you get extremely unlucky an the water gets to the places with less insulation.
I've been offered an photography exhibition this fall. It's really small scale but still a interesting opportunity. We'll see if I can come up with enough material.
I've never been to a photography exhibition, but I know that it's a pretty big deal for photographers. When the time comes, let us know how it was to have your works on display.
The whole thing just came completely out of the blue. I hadn't even thought of putting up an exhibition until it was offered to me and I'm really not that confident with my work that I could say that I was expecting it. Nor can I tell why I said yes.
At the moment, what I'm feeling could be described as being petrified. I have absolutely no idea what to exhibit. I think I should come up with some theme, but I have no idea what so ever what that would be. I really don't want to **** up my first exhibition regardless the fact that the venue is quite small. Still even if it attracts just about a hundred or so visitors (which is probably quite good estimate) the people are there for the sole purpose of seeing my work and I find that really scary. It's not even a part of a larger exhibition but my very own and I have just a few months to prepare.
Part of me is very excited and part of me wants to call the whole thing off. Well I guess it's only natural to get cold feet before the first exhibition. There's always a possibility of such thing opening some doors. But well... I need to refrain myself of getting ahead of things.
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