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Random GrimGrimoire Thoughts Thread
Exactly what it says on the tin: a thread for posting thoughts/ideas/musings that kind of wander through your head but you don't think really warrant full-on discussion threads.
It just hit me today that when I was thinking about Chartreuse's physical appearance from before when he was cursed...as Opalneria describes him, he has a lot of the same superficial characteristics as Amoretta. Could it be that she was based in some respect on his own appearance (for example, in Teresa Edgerton's
, one of the ingredients in crafting an alchemical homunculus is human sperm, which imparts some of the "parent's" characteristics to the creature) and as such might be his "daughter" in more than just the purely metaphorical sense?
I like this thread!
About your musing....that's kind of eerie
(and I am immediately reminded of your fic "The Making of a Family" and Lillet's reaction upon the phrase "extract the living seed from a male"
...). I would wonder though, would this be applicable for women alchemists at all?
My own musing:
What is the in-world morality of magicians using familiars to do battle? While one could argue that Glamour, Necromancy and Sorcery are simply summoning lifeforms that get dispelled and sent back when they are defeated in battle, what about Alchemy? That brand of magic involves
artificial life that
then gets destroyed
in a battle! What does this say about the morality of magicians towards familiars?
(As most of you know by now, I briefly touched on this in
"King in the Mountain"
, so I'm majorly curious! ^^)
@Dezo: It does make sense, since it is the most efficient method and does provide a base for the body (since without genes the base would be left to the alchemist and humans are not really that well at designing humans from scratch, if fiction is to be believed.)
@dc: As long as you don't mind the base to be always female, women alchemist could do so, what with every cell of us having genetic code or somesuch.
Also, considering that the we make the dragon hatch and the like, is safer to assume that magician create mana-based-life and that dieing just releases the mana to its "natural" state. In other words, magician transform mana to physical objects which, when they are dismissed/killed/etc, return to their natural existance. Or something along those lines. (Then again we are talking about a company of games that decided that you should power up by absorbing the souls of your fallen enemies [Odin Sphere]).
On other random thoughts: Will Amoretta outlive Lillet? I mean she isn't human and her only way of death is by destroying her flask/destroying her body so that makes her theorically immortal, right? Of course her body could start to malfunction later on her life but still, (Chartreuse does make quality things so). Though I am amused by someone who doesn't know that Amoretta is an homunculus, call Lillet a craddle robber =P.
On another kind of except not really related thought, do angels can be used as any other familiar? Or is there some special clause to them. Maybe they belong to another family of magic.
And just as a closing note, I totally see the setting on Europe-post-industrial-revolution. Dunno why though.
@dc/Laith: With regard to the alchemy, in the story, the recipe required human sperm, with the alchemical mixture serving the role of the egg; the gender of the
was irrelevant...mainly because the experiment was about creating artificial life, not about making a child (though the boatman who was the alchemist's associate actually took it that way and ran off with the homunculus).
@dc: Good question. The game specifically says that defeated familiars are, indeed, returned to their own world (Gammel's lecture in I/2-2 during the first battle tutuorial) but then what about alchemy--particularly, what about homunculi, which have intelligence. Though since alchemy is purely artificial life, it's possible that alchemical creations have no souls (as opposed to, say, Amoretta and Tahlea, who are built around pre-existing spirits) and therefore cease to be. One might argue that a soulless life-form cannot be sinned against...but who can say?
@Laith: I always assumed that Amoretta was, as you suggest, functionally immortal so long as her flask (and the magical system within it) continued to survive (no doubt powered by absorbing environmental mana), resulting in exactly the scenario you describe--cf. my fic "Epilogue"
On the setting time, while I don't agree overall, there is one actual point of evidence in your favor, Laith: the official artwork of the CD soundtrack. It shows Lillet listening to a gramophone, and gramophones were not invented until the 1890s IRL, implying a post-Industrial Revolution tech level.
I bounced off this idea kind of vaguely in my first omake...but Opalneria is pretty much a poster-child yandere (or at least a few points in Love Makes You Crazy) in-game, what with the way she always hangs around Chartreuse's lab, butts into his experiments,
attempts to kill Amoretta out of jealousy
(even weirder, it was
Bartido had told her that Amoretta wasn't Chartreuse's lover, so it was jealousy of her not as a woman but as a pet project that was commanding Chartreuse's attention!), and the whole meltdown in V/Day 1 where she basically says, "If you won't love me, I'll give you a
not to love me!"
So...isn't it kind of likely she's
yandere post-game, only Hiram loves her back?
After all, when you consider that she went to the extent of magically altering her appearance to seem his age...that's a pretty big step just to avoid some socially awkward moments where people wonder about the older woman/younger man dynamic...
LOL Opalneria definitely fell into my 'Crazy' basket and would probably flip out then vent on Hiram.
... I wonder what Hiram thinks of the whole appearance alteration though. Opalneria didn't look that old to begin with, and if that's the form he fell in love with in the first place...
O: *twirls* Darling, like the new look?
H: You er, you look young. Much younger than when I first saw you. And now I'm having second thoughts.
O: What do you mean?
H: Well, to use a colloquial term, you're now "jailbait".
Fuyu no Sora
Random Thought 1:
Now that we're speaking of Opalneria and her "appearance alteration", I haz a random thought.
Advocat mentioned in the Epilogue that Opalneria had used magic to
younger, not to
younger... so my thought is that she literally used magic to become younger. I think it'd be a rejuvenation potion that only someone very proficient in Alchemy would be able to make, though I'm not sure.
Any thoughts on this random theory?
Random Thought 2:
This is a
Wild Mass Guessing and feel free to call me crazy about it, but here is my Theory As To Why Calvaros Became An Evil, Power-Hungry Archmage:
He confessed to Lujei, Lujei rejected him, and he got an inferiority complex out of it. He therefore set out to conquer the known world to prove to himself and to everyone out there that he was awesome.
*RUNZ away from criticism and weird looks*
Question for a fic idea I'm working on (in between everything else
What kind of monarchy is the kingdom using?
Is it an absolute or constitutional monarchy? In a fic I'm working on, the idea is basically Lillet learning about the politics of court life, and I wasn't sure if I should build the Queen a strong Parliament or a Privy Council...
Are there any hints in the game that may indicate one way or the other? =O
It's implied a bit in the Lujei backstory and in the epilogue where Lillet talks about how she was interrogated that "the Government" can act with a certain measure of autonomy, but I don't believe it's ever established whether that's due to
authority or merely delegated authority.
At the very least, there are definitely limits on royal power (conservative villages being able to burn witches while the crown employs them as civil servants), but I don't know if those limits are systemic or merely political.
To use the example of Lillet, I've been using her authority as derived. As in, she serves at the pleasure of the Crown. And Everything goes back to the crown. But to have events such as witch burnings, you need to have a very LARGE Kingdom where laws that the Queen may make are not necessarily going to be enforced. And local laws always exist that don't at the National level.
...Honestly, though it (and my fic) would work either way, I've been assuming Privy Council
. Should we make a decision between all us core fic writers which way we wanna go on this?
Kind of connected to that question, I was wondering if anybody had any idea as to what form of address would be appropriate for Mage Consul Lillet (i.e., akin to "Your Majesty" for the queen, "Your Grace" for the Archbishop, etc.)?
I went with Privy Council as well
, although then that would imply that the Queen has far more authority than one with a powerful parliament. And yeah, while local laws may be different, the fact that witch burnings still happen under an absolute monarchy has my impression of the Queen turn a little more ambiguous
That's a neat thought!
I always thought of it as the equivalent of what people might call any other high-ranking officer--do they call them "my lord/lady" or "sir/ma'am" due to their
rank as likely a lord or lady, or is it an address to their office? =O
FTR, the Magistrate calls Lillet "My Lady" during Tempus Materia.
Heh, when I finished writing the latest chapter of the witch-hunter fic today, in it I used a bit where the inn-maid calls Lillet "milady" and Lillet doesn't have the heart to correct her on forms of address.
I assumed that the limitations on the Queen's absolute rule were more along the lines of the Magna Carta--where a certain measure of authority lies with the subordinate nobility of the realm (some under the law, some due to informal political influence), but not with an assembly which represents some body of the general citizenry (or the landholding citizenry...). But in general terms it looks like all of us core fic writers who have actually written independent fics that get outside the Tower...
agree by coming to the same conclusion.
: Well, with forms of address, there are actually quite complicated systems in place for both the forms appropriate to titles/nobility/social rank and those appropriate to government/military/religious position. I'd wanted to use "Your Eminence," but that's for a cardinal and it felt a little uncomfortable to me with the religious questions...
"The Right Honorable" or "Your Excellency" would seem to be the best choices from historical uses (hm...the Archbishop probably should be "Your Excellency" instead of "Your Grace"...*hair pull*)
LOL, I like "Your Excellency"
. It's so regal sounding!
Fuyu no Sora
I personally think that "Your Grace" is fine for the Archbishop and that "Your Excellency" should be given to Mage Consul Blan. Forms of address of any kind are annoying, so that way we could keep it simple.
As a side question, since Lillet is a high-ranking minister, would she be given the title of "Lady"?
Lady would be reserved for either the wife of a landowner or a landowner herself, IIRC. Do we want to give her a bit of land? From how she talks about her family and sending money so that they could go to school, I have a feeling that the Kingdom is a little more of a mixed Medieval and Modern sensibility on this point.
I guess I'll edit the Investigator arc on her title, though
I think I'll go with Sora's suggestions for usage. It's simple and straightforward.
As for "Lady," yes, Spawn is right--that's a form of address for nobility (the wife of a knight is Lady (last name), the wife of a baron or viscount is Lady (title), and certain daughters of nobles are Lady (first name)). Since Lillet definitely is a commoner by birth, and since Mage Consul is apparently an appointed ministerial-type position, she wouldn't be entitled to it.
Well, I can see Lillet not having a "Lady" title in the beginning, but do people think that the Queen would grant her landowner status later on in her career? We could possibly prevent it from happening by playing up the politics that might be against a move like that, but it's a thoughtful question. If I were the Queen, I'd want to tie a powerful magician to my kingdom and not give her any thoughts of wandering away if she doesn't have a land and home...
I kind of prefer Lillet as just an appointed minister though, since it keeps her grounded in common roots and makes her much more interesting
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