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Actually, that's expressed a little bit in gameplay, because of how fairies (and certain other units--Phantoms and Demons, I've found, are notorious for it), will tend to start wandering off on their own and doing what they like if not given regular orders. Different familiars really do seem to have a varying amount of "free will," whether it's because of a rebellious nature (Demons, for example, I suspect will always try to have their cake and eat it too) or something else.

For what it's worth, Glamour magic seems to rely upon a "contract" for service--in essence, they're more like hired workers than slave labor. On the other hand, Sorcery is pretty clearly "force these devils to do your bidding" (unless the devil is of sufficient power to resist the binding aspects of the spell and require a quid pro quo...souls always being a handy currency), and Necromancy seems to work in similar fashion (Advocat's comments about Opalneria's "pale friends" aside)--of course, it's an open question as to what the dead souls of Purgatory actually feel about being summoned to serve a magician's whim or how much free will they have. Phantoms, for example, seem to see themselves as loyal knights serving their liege-lord to judge by their in-battle dialogue.

Alchemy opens up a whole different can of worms, because the process actually creates the life forms which are then forced to act! That might be one matter for unintelligent blobs and chimeras, but what about quite intelligent homunculi? And does it affect this ethical debate that alchemical creations are apparently soulless?

Two points there, though: on the one hand, if he didn't know any magic that could talk to angels, then how did he know magic to be able to capture and imprison one? If he could do the latter, then it would be implied that he could do the former. On the other hand, it's entirely possible that angels wouldn't or couldn't answer the questions that he asked (in the sense that Divine Law prevented it, perhaps?) and that by putting the angel spirit into a mortal body, he hoped that, as the angel was now a mortal being, that it could now speak freely on topics that it could not beforehand (but was thwarted by the memory loss)? Of course, the latter point does not speak to the willingness or lack thereof of the angel in question.

What I think is somewhat intriguing, also, is just how Dr. Chartreuse contacted the angel in the first place! Since the Lemegeton, the Lesser Key of Solomon, explicitly exists in this universe (and actually as Solomon's grimoire instead of a 17th-century construct), one thing I think is interesting is that the third book of the Lemegeton, called the Ars Paulina, as well as the fourth part, Ars Almadel, are about dealing with angels!

I note from the Wikipedia article that astrological influences are deemed important in the Lemegeton for determining what times are good for various summonings--something that ties in to that orrery sitting in Professor Gammel's room!

I was curious this afternoon, inspired by how happy I was that deathcurse and antlan87 both wrote omake for deathcurse's yui-art-prompt challenge. I shouldn't have been; the numbers depress me.

Of the GrimGrimoire fanfiction at fanfiction.net (not including anything from other places like LiveJournal or here...):

1. I have written 33 out of 49 stories (67.35%)
2. I have written 80 out of 105 posted chapters (76.19%)
3. I have written 201,860 out of 257,520 of the listed (albeit flawed) word count (78.39%)

So, how do I beg, bribe, threaten, or mind-control other people into writing more?

Aww, poor Dezo. *tries, but fails to hide muffled giggling* XD

I guess that was a prod for me to keep writing Seirei's Gate? I recall being bribed once by EMDN chapter previews, LOL .

I actually had a couple of half-chapters of GG fics in my stories folder . I think I stopped most of them because their plotlines didn't end up being unique enough for me to pursue.

Maybe you should request fics for your birthday?

I have a slight problem where if I read something, it somewhat influences my thought when writing anything shortly afterwards. Sometimes my ideas come off a bit copycatting, or fanficing the fanfic. Sometimes this works out well though, like with the one-shot I just posted. Maybe I'll post that on FF.net later, just to prove there are more fans of the series then people think.

I kind of sympathize, but for me it's more like if I had threads of an idea that I'm about to write but find out that someone else has already written something similar, then I usually chuck my idea . I don't like writing stuff that's too similar to what someone else has done--especially if they did it well already!

Fanfics do affect me when I start thinking of "What ifs?" as I read and then come up with tragic variations of what's going on .

You know, there is one thing I am grateful for GG being a small fandom: No AU fics! It's one thing for a fic to be AU when one event significatnly changes the course of the known story and characters, but another when the only thing the characters have in common is their names and appearance. Example, we don't have any lame GrimGrimoire ModernHighschool!AU stories to deal with.

Hell, I personally enjoy the Warriors Orochi series as a sort of Crossover Fanfic game that it is, but I don't want to see Cao Cao, Liu Bei, Sanada Yukimura, or Hattori Hanzo commanding sport teams in the modern day!

Don't beg, it doesn't work I have tried =V

Make it so that tomorrow is February 4th. (The wait for FE:A is killing me)

The prospect of being threatened by Dezo is scary, please don't.

But then I wouldn't write in my early nineteenth century setting instead of everyone's sixteenth one =V

Also I need to be more knowledgeable in certain stuff including silly names with alcoholic beverages.

Never noticed that =V

Urge to write this just to troll rising. Must control self.

Hey, if you want to write Lillet or Amoretta as a vapid cheerleader or misunderstood artist pining for the school [insert school activity] idol, be my guest. Just don't blame me for the nightmares and angry mobs.

How about a parody of a 1930's Universal monster movie? The Bride of Frankenstein sings out, with Dr. Chartreuse as Frankenstein, Calvaros as his evil mentor (or Advocat, if one wants to give the devil an explicit villain role, as his evil associate), and Amoretta as the monster?

Bartido: Dammit, I am not playing Igor! I've got some pride!

That could be amusing, cause it is oddly character appropriate, unlike most AU fics. Hell, one could easily chalk it up to a bedtime story for Cress... Now there is an idea, common stories for children modified for the GG universe....

So as I was customizing my soldiers in XCOM: Enemy Unknown, a thought occurred to me. How does the rune summoning work exactly? Do they only have to draw the rune and channel sufficient mana into it for it to exist? And if so, could one not engrave the runes into something, say armour or a weapon to make it portable, but still breakable? I had an idea about Lillet having to deal with a travelling group that included some mages who were foreign and didn't speak the language, causing trouble through a lack of communication combined with a unique perspective on how to utilize existing magic via enhancements and runes on their equipment.

Good question! As we've seen in-game, Runes, once drawn, can last a long time: witness the horde of Runes and familiars that Lillet has to fight her way through in Fifth Day Five to get to the Philosopher's Stone, which are merely traps left behind by Calvaros to protect his treasure.

Actually, that might answer the question. It seems to be that the magic of a Rune lasts whether or not the physical structure does. That is to say, in the GrimGrimoire universe, tossing a handful of dust across a line or rubbing out a corner of a pentagram is not going to disrupt a Rune (though for interest and contrast, perhaps it would be effective on pre-Rune ritual magic and this is yet another advantage of Runes?); one would have to launch an attack on the Rune itself which is capable of damaging or disrupting its underlying magic.

So, my thought would be that carving the design into the floor or engraving it on a piece of metal would not affect the permanency of a Rune due to the fact that (a) they're permanent-until-destroyed anyway just through the normal methods of creation, and (b) the method of destruction does not appear to be to attacking the non-magical "sketch" but the magic inherent in the Rune.

Mind you, that still leaves a lot of room open for a variety of playing around with the concept. For example, perhaps the outsiders in your story have mastered a way in which a Rune-equivalent can be put into equipment, and then the wearer of that equipment can command the Rune with their own mana (or even have a way to "pre-charge" that equipment with available mana for the non-mage user--see my speculations in re magical items in the GrimGrimoire setting) instead of having it be tied inextricably to its original caster.

According to this handful illustration of the process:



1. Draw Rune
2. Incantation
3. Insert Mana
4. ProfitRune

I would guess people just do it in the floor because it's the hardest thing to break without screwing yourself. An armor could be destroyed by a dragon or a lucky hit taking the rune with it because you probably still need the circle shape. Or something like that.

Well, most mages seem to be the command from safety types, so I don't see it being too much of a challenge if they have someone or something to guard them. Plus, who would expect the guy in plate-mail to be a mage? The only thing I can see being a problem is if there is a minimum required surface area, and whether curvature of the object would affect it.

Well, been surfing the wikia.com wiki's on MGLN and GG for a more adventure oriented crossover (with some comedy here and there), and am happy to say that on Amoretta's page, it has her role as Lillet's love interest (as is Bartido on his page), but has her as a student of Sorcery. That sort of confuses me as on one hand, she has Grimalkin for a familiar, but she has an angel core and hates being around Advocat.

I am wondering, does anyone know Hiram's real last name, and the name of the country the game takes place in? Any other known kingdoms would be appreciated too, as I am currently using placeholder names until I can find anything canon to use.

Currently, I am going with theory that most magic users fit in at E (hedge wizards, new students) to C (graduates of the Silver Star Tower) ranks, with the more established ones at B or A ranks (composite, Royal Magicians and Teachers), with Lillet A+ due to her mastery of all 4 schools and an above average mana capacity for her world.

I am thinking of having the wizards and witches of GG world being either not having nearly the mana capacity of MGLN mages, or just inefficient at using their mana, but the summons themselves being fairly strong, or at least the top tier ones like Dragons and Demons.

Please don't make one canon more powerful than the other canon. That kills half the enjoyment of a crossover instantly.

Edit: VA stuffness! Yukiko-Margarita was already established, but I didn't realize that Yosuke-Hiram was true too. Until I was checking the fact at the top of this post .

I need to get off my electronic butt and give some feedback!

With these particular canons, I think the balancing act needs to take into account the fact that the GrimGrimoire wizards basically use summoning magic and essentially nothing else. The power of their summons actually would match up with or even exceed the power of those in MGLN (I'd certainly think someone like Grimlet or Advocat could stand up to Voltaire or Hakutenoh). What they don't have is the ability to use the myriad of forms of direct combat magic that the Nanoha characters possess.

In short, the gap between characters from the two worlds appears to be in terms of magical education--which is not that surprising, really, since one comes from a pre-industrial society where magic is a recognized but shaky fact, and a second comes from an advanced civilization where magic has been developed to the point of being a tech base. Thus, the gap between the two is not power but the ability to efficiently apply that power.

GrimGrimoire mana-mining, interestingly enough, seems to be slightly ahead of the curve of MGLN-verse, though. Although they do it indirectly with familiars, it seems that Lillet and her ilk are able as a basic function of magic use to collect and re-use environmental mana in the way only difficult and unique spells like Starlight Breaker do in Nanoha.

(That is to say, if the Jewel Seeds crashed on the GrimGrimoire world and Lillet found Yuuno, she'd probably turn out like Nanoha. Only sneakier. Maybe more like Hayate. )

Therefore, the inherent terminology of the MGLN setting would seem to be able to be applied, the existence of Linker Cores and so on. (You're already off to a good start in noting that the broad spectrum of power levels shown in GG compare well to the equally broad levels shown in MGLN.) I also note that dimensional travel between worlds is a concept that exists in GG (as shown by Lujei) so that the concepts of the greater multiverses are also highly compatible.

One side note is that unlike MGLN, the devils and angels and so on of the GrimGrimoire universe do appear to be dealing with issues that are truly spiritual and/or divine rather than just being Sufficiently Advanced Alien Species. That might require a little setting-bending around the edges to become compatible.

(Completely separate idea: GrimGrimoire is set in Ancient Belka. Discuss. )

Yeah, it's why I am sending Vivio and Yuuno instead of the Aces. While most of the summons won't likely be too much trouble in small numbers, large numbers would be challenging, the top tier units would be tough for them to take down, and if any of them have a resistance to Astral damage, I'm going to count that as moderate magic resistance. I'm only using up to ViViD for canon, as I haven't been following Force, so no super-powered devices.

Personally, I am going with the theory that while the summoners might not be powerful themselves, it is their summons that are the challenge, though magicians can recover their mana in a way mages can't. Then again, with mana just crystalizing all over the place, one would have to be careful if they use a Starlight Breaker type spell.... Bad plot bunnies!

Also, thanks for that info! My PS2 died awhile back, and it has been a few years since I last player the game.

As for it being ancient Belka, why not Al Hazard?

Has anyone thought out or found a reasonable sounding size chart for the familiars? I'm especially interested in the larger ones, as if/when I have them fighting against them, want to make sure I set it up so that it being summoned shouldn't instantly kill them.

Not really. I start assuming that the fairies are around 2' tall and the elves 3' based upon how they look in the story sequences. Then, what I do in my stories is that I assume the phantoms are roughly the size of a human being (an armored knight), similarly the skullmages (although hunched up and probably shorter, being generic dead magicians), and go from there. Like, I assume that the unicorns are pony-sized rather than horse-sized because they don't appear taller than people. There's a little flux (grimalkins obviously are larger on-screen than in subjective "reality"), but that's how I scale things out.

Actually, that works surprisingly well, because it helps to harmonize the setting with the point about divinity that I mentioned above. If this world did have a stronger connection to divine force than the rest of the universe did, it could explain why legends grew up about the people there being able to do otherwise impossible things like raise the dead.