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I see the
yui! That tattered flag, I cannot tell if it is supposed to be in the foreground or background. Based on the horse's tail lines, it is foreground, but the colouring of the pole makes it seem to be foreground, while the tail lines being visible across it make it appear as a background object.
Oh my, someone should totally write that/draw more soldier Amoretta. (Also the horse lack dynamism but it's a effing horse so I can understand the pain ;_; )
So "draw a dapple-gray horse" has been on your artistic "to do" list for years, huh?
(I don't know why it surprises me that you would have such a list; after all, I have a huge list of story ideas, so I'd expect that people who do other creative outlets would have the same kind of thing.)
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yui, you have officially surpassed yourself with these warrior angel drawings!
Hmm, I think the issue is with Amoretta's expression in the colored version. In the WIP blue-and-white, her face looked gentler somehow. It might be because of the coloration, but in the uncolored version it looked more...Amoretta-like? I don't really know how to say it, but I think that might be what's bothering you. =O
: I got lazy :P Didn't think anyone would pick out the tail outlines.
: Should horse be frothing a bit at the mouth?
: The list is ... substantial. In fact it grows much faster than I can draw, so I end up simply forgetting some items T_T
: Ah, I think I messed around with the face while resizing bits and pieces... it was quite hard to get a determined look that still held some resemblance to her normal expression.
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Nonetheless it's a beautiful drawing and I love the concept of Amoretta as a warrior angel.
Here's one I noticed this evening while checking DA for GrimGrimoire art:
Emotions and subtleties likely lost in crappy drawings and inability to recall intended dialogue due to prolonged delays in finishing said crappy drawings.
Eva: Cursed Privilege
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I bow down before your awesomeness, yui.
Those are some really great drawings, and I, too, would have liked for that to have been more than a throwaway line in the movie...but of course Anno never explains anything
so we'll be left hanging as usual.
Also, is it me or did the art become more gorgeous in this movie? Kaoru is certainly looking prettier than before, if that's possible...
Haha thanks, I really struggled across the finish line for this one. I'm almost dreading the last movie - coz you know it'll be another mental omnishambles.
And yes, Kaoru is 120% prettier (he always was the most photogenic of the lot...)! Kaoru and piano mmMMmm...
Not being an Eva watcher I have to say that the emotional impact was more or less beyond me (plus, I've never seen immortality as a bad thing, so that's also a hard sell as an Awful Fate), but the art was really nice.
Really Dezo? I usually write characters who are immortal grow weary of it sooner or later, either due to seeing the same mistakes made generation after generation, or having to watch their friends and loved ones die again and again. Of course, I've also played a game where you play as an immortal who lived for a thousand years and meets up with other immortals and some mortal party members. The name of the game escapes me right now, since I have it at home, but am at the library. I know it was for the 360, maybe other systems, but my point is that he has had children who died when he himself survived, so losing your family repeatedly can make you want mortality again.
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Yeah, it pretty much requires a basic understanding of just how
the world is in the Eva universe to be able to understand just how
it'd be to be immortal.
Besides...the fact that those two haven't grown up doesn't necessarily mean they
immortal. It might just mean they'll always be stuck in those bodies, even as they age.
Personally, I don't get it either. I'm rather happy to be human with a human lifespan. Life is precious
it's finite, after all, which means we should strive to live it to the fullest, yes? Immortality is something I would honestly never want; a bit of longevity
, and it's a big maybe with a rather strong penchant for "thanks but no thanks". But immortality? Nah.
Immortality sounds great on paper but it is not that great on practice.
A bigger/longer lifespan would be cool tho.
Wow, so many different people who think living forever would be a bad thing.
(Seriously, up until "the sun goes nova four billion years from now and all life on Earth is wiped out" or "the heat death of the universe occurs*" and the immortal is left utterly alone with nothing but...well, literally with nothing, I'm just simply unable to see a down side.
One catch, of course, in the analysis of the psyche of an immortal (or even a long-lived creature like an elf or dragon), is that it's actually impossible to understand it. After all, there's simply never been any such thing. All we're really doing is extrapolating based on what we think such experience would be.
an immortal get bored after living for hundreds of years? Would the mind be unable to continue to adapt to changing customs, language, and so on? Would the weight of grief grow too heavy? For that matter, would the perception of time change at all? (What I mean is, there's lots of media in which long-lived creatures consider decades or centuries to be merely "eyeblinks" in time, and they routinely enact plans that play out over such extended time periods. But is that really the case? Does the
of time change that much? After all, we all know people who can barely concentrate for five minutes, let alone hours or days, and consider delaying gratification by a week to be an impossible task. Giving someone like that an extended lifespan wouldn't change their perspectives on time, it would just give them more time in which to act like themselves...)
*Which, of course, wouldn't actually occur in a universe where immortality was actually possible, since an immortal would have the ability to get energy from
to support its continued existence.
Hmm, I think we're working from the perspective of *ourselves* being given immortality while others aren't immortal. Presumably we'd still need to make a living and survive, and that would quite likely mean living by the rules of society as it evolves. That would kind of suck too, until you're well off enough to be financially free and have a sustainable lifestyle that lets you do things you want to do.
Heck, maybe we'd still suffer from disabilities (e.g. physical defects) even though we don't perish.
Ahhh, actually that would really, *REALLY* suck. Imagine eternal paralysis or missing limbs =_=;;;
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Whereas for my part, I can't fathom why anyone would want to live forever.
Really? Because I can come up with quite a few downsides. Imagine you suddenly gain immortality. Okay, you can no longer die. But that doesn't immediately mean you no longer
. So, now you'll never die, but your body keeps aging and in, say, 2121, you find yourself with the body of a man who's 148 years old, and which clearly reflects this. You're confined to a bed because while your mind is keen and sharp, your body can no longer properly respond since it's way past the point where it's functioning was, well, functional, let alone
. That...doesn't sound appealing to me.
Now, if we're talking about
coupled with immortality, or heck, even being frozen at the age in which one gained immortality, that's a whole other shtick. Which also has downsides, though. I wouldn't want immortality whatsoever because despite the fact that they drive me crazy, I love my family. If I were immortal, my sister wouldn't be with me in as 'little' as 60 years, and then I'd have nobody to troll me daily. Then there's the fact that with constant knowledge acquisition, it's very, very likely that having an interesting conversation with anyone would be practically impossible, since everyone would seem dull and stupid compared to our, say, 500-year-old brain that has been soaking up info like a sponge all this time. The excitement of life would probably have been sapped out awhile ago, as well, since there's only so much to be 'discovered' before everything is seen, everything has been done before. What could possibly thrill you anymore after a number of centuries? People's behavior over
remains pretty much the same! Pointless wars are waged, people are petty, the rich get richer while the poor get poorer. And it'd be impossible to tune any of this out. Also, I'm pretty sure the perception of time would change. Seriously, if you've just celebrated your fifth century of life, you can't possibly see things in the same light as someone who just turned twenty. The entire concept of time was invented by humans to be able to be more organized, yet to someone who is
of it...well, does it even matter? Does it have any sense or purpose anymore, except to mark another moment of their existence? Also, just because you can't
doesn't mean you won't feel
If you get shot, sure, you won't die, but it doesn't mean the impact of the bullet and such won't hurt like a b&^$!
Then there's what yui said in the post above, and even if you gain immortality (+youth or whatever), you still have to play by society's rules. You still need sustenance, still need money to do all you want to do and such. You'd still have to work and pay for your stuff, so now that one of the certainties of life is eliminated (death and taxes), you're just left with the taxes.
You'll have to pay taxes for the rest of existence!!!
So yes, I don't want no immortality, thank you very much.
I really, really can't get where you're coming from...
I mean, leaving aside the extreme disaster cases ("You have been thrown into a volcano. You will now sit there for the next umpty millennia being constantly burned and regenerating while being unable to die.") which are obviously made up of Ye Liveliest Awfulness and anyone would agree is worse than being dead, even the alleged fates worse than death aren't...well, I don't consider them worse.
Take the myth of Tithonus, for example, whom Eos had Zeus give eternal life but forgot the eternal youth part, resulting in him withering away into becoming the first cicada. I'm not actually sure that's actually worse than being dead (especially since, well, he enjoyed a normal human life before getting through "old and paralyzed" into "hmmm, nibbling on grass!").
As for the rest of it...I can't imagine myself getting bored. I mean, I never have enough time to read all the books I want to read NOW because people insist on writing the damn things faster than I can read them? I don't really see that changing in hundreds of years. (I would also note that it would be a lot easier to amass wealth if one were immortal...for one thing, health care would be one area of the budget one could immensely save upon!)
And sure, bad things could happen, but...I mean, bad things happen
. This is the point I don't get. Okay, so let's say that every ten years you break a leg or something. And the injury and recovery hurt. So at some point, it becomes unbearable for this to happen any more? You can break six bones, but seven is just too many?
(I also get genuinely disturbed when people say things like yui did, about how, say, it would be horrific to live forever with a missing leg. The implication there is that the missing leg is so horrible that it utterly destroys the quality of life that a person would rather be dead...but then, why doesn't everyone commit suicide when they lose a leg, if that's the case? Why do real-life people who have suffered crippling injuries, rather than just giving up and dying, instead fight to reclaim as much as possible of their lives as they can, so they can live out their days?)
All I can say is...life is precious, and I want to have as much of it as possible. I enjoy being alive, and I just can't wrap my head around the idea of (in the
, again, not in response to some variation of "you live in eternal torment, basically the equivalent of going to Hell")
wanting to be dead
. I mean, that's what you're arguing, that being dead is better than being alive, and this is something that I just do not get.
Hm...expanding on that last point, there seems to be an underlying assumption (at least one made in Sora's middle paragraph) that
at some point
, there is a tipping-point where having X amount of life (or more accurately,
life, since if the whole species increases its lifespan then things like loved ones dying stops being a problem) is "too much." So the question is, for those of you who think such a thing exists, where is X? The average human lifespan in most first-world countries falls in the 70s, so...how long do you think you'd be able to tolerate being alive before "enough is enough"? If you lived to be 100 (X being c. 25, then), would that be too much? 150? 200?
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Hahaha, it's not that I don't enjoy being alive or that I want to be dead (some days, sure, but those come and go nowadays.). And I'm not arguing that being dead is better than being alive either; that'd be quite a gloomy thought.
Frankly, what I'm arguing is that a normal lifespan is better than longevity until the end of time. In my case, I think it's more that I've come to actually
life and to be grateful for the things I have. Which is precisely why I don't want to have a longer lifespan or immortality. I'm happy with what I have right now and I don't need nor want more, is all. You could say that I'm simply satisfied with my life and with the potential that the future holds, so the idea of having more doesn't appeal to me.
The Fate Worse Than Death, though, is where I'll never agree with you or even see your point.
Paying taxes forever
is certainly a fate that I wouldn't wish on anybody.
On a more serious note about your last point...I honestly don't want to live to be 80. Not being autonomous and with a frail health doesn't appeal to me (family history of not-good-aging plays a lot here) whatsoever.
Well, now I'm actually curious. Dezo, what is Tarma's opinion on this discussion?
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