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I understood that. But in the romance department, it got to the point of where it
I know we dropped all of this, but Frontier was on my re-watch list lately. So, having re-watched it, I noticed a few things you might've failed to see that justify my words.
it WAS forced, via the writers, because Zessica is the replacement for Ranka
Their personalities crashed in all the wrong ways. They were too alike. They blended in every way. You would think that would be a good thing, right? Now throw their argumentative attitudes and willpower together when they disagree on something. They literally throw it to the next level. And every time, the writers have Alto bend to her will. It is his right to state how he feels yet he's never allowed to. And the only times it was allowed, he was too polite to state them.
He didn't want to be around her let alone date her but she kept following him around and forcing him to do things he obviously disliked. Yes, there were a
nice moments between them but only
sparkled in them. But overall, he was either distracted, upset, annoyed, nervous, or downright uncomfortable.
And she got the worst role in all of it by actually doing all that just over a pitiful earring which he'd already stated he didn't intend to keep nor did he know its location. Instead of using those resources to contact members of the military to receive help in finding it, she bombards him. And thus, the writers force her onto him. It starts out small and then becomes a pain. Take episode ten as a prime example. She chose
to do those video productions even knowing he disliked acting. She forced him into those situations. She didn't start liking him until that episode. After all, they had to abide by her personality. She had to slowly fall in love with him. But the writers handled this badly. While she is falling in love with him, he is off spending time with Ranka. In the second half, they had to reestablish their chosen couple by having Michael call Alto up about a so-called "chance in a lifetime" to which he was uneasy about carrying out but the writers forced him to do so anyway. In that episode, the things on his mind were like so: Ranka (television screen), the sky (looks up), Frontier, and finally it lands on... Sheryl (upon girls talking about her). Now, if they are the endgame, why is it that this late in the series, she is
thing on his mind? I could chop that up to horrible writing but usually, the first person you think about when situations get dire are your loved ones, the ones closest to you heart, and the only person he thinks about first is Ranka.
This continues to be a growing problem in episode nineteen. Friends once again force Sheryl to arrive on the rooftop where Michael and Alto are speaking. Michael tries to once again force Alto to make a decision but conveniently keeps pushing towards Sheryl despite having known Ranka longer. Alto has no other choice but to be compassionate to Sheryl still being ill - that's in his nature. However, he comes off as indecisive when Ranka shoots out yet he shows no indication that he's with
girl. To finalize this, the writers have Ranka simply leave Frontier, thinking "aw, that's simple enough and a good plot device." If that was their intention all along, then they should've done it five episodes ago when that plot device could've been carried out properly. Instead, out of the blue, she decides to leave with Brera, who became another plot device himself for showing up without an explanation and claiming to have known her desire. Are you seeing the pattern here? If Ranka is a plot device, they handled her badly. So she had to be a romantic interest. Sadly, instead of killing her off to finalize their endgame of Alto and Sheryl, they decided to do like with Zessica and destroy her character altogether.
In the end, they continued to force Alto onto Sheryl. However, certain writers who still understood the story's plot continued to rekindle their original direction of Alto and Ranka by inserting those flashbacks of the two. He kept longing for her like mad. Yet he was supposed to be showing those faces only for Sheryl now. But, the biggest thing that gets you is that he relays his passionate story about meeting Ranka and joining the S.M.S. but never once mentions that he wants to protect or love Sheryl. He never once mentions her in that long speech despite the fact he should. If they are endgame, Alto's speech sure said otherwise. His actions proved otherwise. In the final two episodes, he wanted to clear the air. That was all. But Sheryl forced her hand, kissing him. The Sheryl I had watched for twenty-three episodes would've never done that due to risk of passing him the virus. She is a logical person who doesn't want to burden him despite her feelings. But this... it just was horrible writing. And Alto was neither proven to be infected from their so-called "coupling" nor cured.
Next to all of that, "you are both my wings" isn't so much a troll anymore.
They built for it. You just have to acknowledge that both girls were shafted by the writers on multiple occasions. This is why I stopped feeling bad for Zessica. They've done it before. They even did so for Minmei. There are certain characters one stops liking whilst writing a book, so they decide to let them fall into being plot devices or just fail altogether. Although, most are killed off, so all these girls got lucky to survive until the end of their respective series.
Back on the nicer side of things, I thought that Kagura's change of sides was nice. The character change was horrid. But the way they handled the whole episode sucked in my opinion. I just disliked the whole ending. I wouldn't even pay for the BDs just to watch Amata destroy the beauty that was the OS by simply knocking a heart into Solar Aquarion. What happened to a beautiful gattai and a nice, graphic mecha battle to end it? I wanted to actually see some true Solar Aquarion action. This... it was just pitiful.
Good Lord, not
same old argument
Why must the dead horse be resurrected AGAIN?
Yeah, not going to engage in that once again. Seriously. Let's talk about Aquarion, but the Macross Frontier wars are
, as far as I am concerned.
Man, if only the series as a whole was as entertaining as this final episode. :lol: I actually quite enjoyed it.
With regards to the Frontier triangle, different people can interpret the exact same material
differently. Especially when strong personal biases are involved.
As for the Ranka/Zessica comparison, can you
imagine Ranka calling someone an asshole?
Although that could actually be pretty awesome...
This is the vent board, so I am going to just let her...
That being said, if there are similarities between Zessica and Ranka in terms of their romantic pursuits, as in, if you
force a comparison between them, then it lies within their complete lack in meeting of the minds with the series' respective protagonists. No doubt Ranka is a nice girl, and she spent great time and effort in getting Alto's attention. All fine and dandy, except, you know, maybe thats just not what Alto wanted? Maybe there were times when Alto had frustrations to vent, and Ranka unfortunately, just wasn't that individual he could
to. Then there were times when that mindset simply went overboard...
Yesterday, I didn't click here because I did not finish episode 26. Now that I am done with it, I can spoil myself silly. And boy... what an ending.
Its a great ending, so
fuck all of you naysayers!!
(and I mean that in the most affectionate, gentle, nicest way possible). Finally, a straightforward,
happy fuckin' end!
Because I am pretty sick of all the bullshit endings I have to endure recently, and this is certainly a welcoming change of pace! Can't accuse him of trolling anymore.
So it has been confirmed. FUDO IS APOLLO. You'd think he would do more, but being god, who protected humanity's free will, it was not in his interest to do more than guidance. But when he flexed muscles, it was serious business!
Then there is the issue with Crea/Rena, who had been alive since Apollo appeared. What is she, exactly? I guess we will never find out.
Other than that, this episode provides a nice closing to the series. Despite what I said about Zessica above, it does not mean I view Mikono's relationship with Amata to be any better. Though unlike Zessica, Mikono certainly sport more individualism and ideals she would attempt to pursue that is free from the mindset of impressing another.
Oh uh, bonus to Mix getting her
Eh, I think the "Apollo was really Apollonius dogs reincarnation" thing counts as trolling. I really am kind of flabbergasted that nobody of the cast went "What the fuuuuuuuuu....?!?!" after that revelation. Aside from the looking a bit flabbergasted, it isn't mentioned again and you'd think that at least Amata and Kagura would have somewhat of an identity crisis. Well,
of an identity crisis.
But in general, I agree with you. The ending was very happy, although I personally would have hoped for something more for Zessica.
See, I can like the green haired girl better.
I'd be lying if I said I never found Fudo to be somewhat
. He demonstrated his rather
ability since first season to 1. kick Apollo's ass when they first met, 2. be anywhere at once, at just about any given time and 3. had the knowledge of the world better than anyone else.
That obviously got me thinking.
Then it was finally confirmed in the second season that Fudo is...
And, he had a sense of humor! Hell, the characterization of Fudo takes so much que from the Bible its not even funny.
So, if there was trolling, it started
a long time ago.
"See, I can like the green haired girl better."
What? Milia was hot!
That being said, I certainly liked Zessica's character better than Mikono, but it doesn't change the fact that she had nothing to connect with Amata, not even
. That and Amata's overall lack of interest did not help. At the very
, Amata and Mikono were reincarnations of a legend, even
their romantic interactions were thin at best. But Zessica? She amounted to nothing with Amata, emotionally.
Her whole reason to fall in love with him was really kind of nonexistant. More like "Mikono likes him, so I should... love him?".
Oh, well. The series ended well enough. Kagura would be a much better match for her, anyway.
Kind of disappointed that they chickened out of leaving Mix male, to be honest. ^^
The sad thing, is the
she paid for a simple, unrequited love, which amounted to nothing more than a crush. She paid
for it. Even so, she was
to die for Amata.
I sat back watching that progress, and thought to myself:
... that was unreal, man...
She almost died a tragic heroine for a
I initially kind of liked Zessica. She seemed to have some spunk. But in the end I find her kind of meh. She really didn't get a whole lot of character development. At the end of the series we still know basically nothing about her background or why she was so in love with Amata. I wasn't overly big on her martyr moments either.
Although I did really like it when Kagura told her Amata wasn't worth her sacrificing her life. Kind of says something about my opinion of Amata, doesn't it? :lol:
The thing I
found unbearable was how Mikage took over her body based on the merits of some "promise"
which she never gave
Mikage basically only told her "You agreed!" after throwing some minor boon along her way and used that as a pretext to take over her body.
I guess it may have worked on a psychological level to lower her resistance to his mental domination, but if you go by the literal interpretation of what happened, it is nonsense. You cannot hold someone to a promise which that person never conciously agreed upon!
Vent it may seem to you but quite a few of my words hold water. After all, no plot is structured enough to say everything is completely planned ahead. Quite a bit of what happens is questionable as to whether the writers had truly planned for it.
So... What about that dang dog, eh?
I still consider that a large troll. To me at this point,
Sousei no Aquarion
is the only season of this anime.
is just a messed up fanfic based loosely on the original series concepts.
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