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Spring 2012: What are you watching this season?
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Spring 2012: What are you watching this season?
I figured this might be a good way to get some discussion going. Just post some of the series you're watching this season. No need to post everything if you've got a few you're embarassed to admit you watch. :P
Here are some of the shows I'm watching this season. (I should make a quick note here -anime is something of a hobby for me. There's quite a bit of stuff I'll watch because it's new and currently airing that I might not be so inclined to watch if it wasn't currently airing. My standards for what new stuff I will watch and what things I will consider great can vary quite widely.)
New for this Season
Accel World -Decent, but not that great so far.
Jormungand -Better than some of the early episodes would suggest.
Kids on the Slope -One of my early top picks, but for some reason it's not one I'm itching to watch each week.
Natsuiro Kiseki -It has it's moments.
Space Brothers -Probably my top pick for the season.
Aquarion Evol -Some interesting and compelling episodes, but not that compelling overall.
Bodacious Space Pirates -Pretty decent but could have been much better. Suffers from a lack of adequate explanation and overly easy storyline resolutions.
Fate Zero -Some awesome fight scenes and cool moments, but doesn't quite do it for me.
I might start AKB0048 again at some point, but I'm kind of behind on it at the moment. I actually originally dropped the show after the first episode, but picked it up again after seeing some more of it with my anime watching buddies. The later episodes didn't seem as cringe inducing as the first.
New series this spring - summer are quite tame compared to last season, but thats not a bad thing. I am still watching Sankarea. Zombie ended on episode 10, with upcoming OVAs supposedly released in the coming months.
Actually, scratch the 'tame' part, I forgot about Berserk the movie.
I've been watching Bodacious Space Pirates.
Plan on watchig the rest of Hyouka at some point.
And of course Space Battleship Yamato 2199. As an obsession.
- The show started great, but lately it has been floundering a bit, because the characters never got the deeper characterization our heroes in Macross Frontier got. So there is not enough tension.
Also fandom has been spectacularly boring over there, with most threads ending up a collection of "OMG, whose incarnation is who?" posts.
Rinne no Lagrange
was a very nice new mecha show, with a very laid back story, which somehow enhanced the show. I liked the characters, the visuals were very nice and I hope we do see a second season and the return of Villagugigugolo. ^^
Game of Thrones
- Not an anime, but with the lack of epic fantasy arc story animes during, oh, the last decade or so, I thought it worth mentioning. Best series of books ever and the television adaptation is very good, too. Get season one or two if you haven't.
While I mentioned them here, I was thinking Aquarion Evol and AKB0048 would have their own threads pretty much by default due to the Kawamori connection.
Rinne no Lagrange was my favorite show of last season. However I didn't mention it here because it's on break until next season. I figure we can discuss it when someone starts a thread for next season or in it's own thread if its garners enough interest to warrant one.
I was watching Saint Seiya Omega, but dropped it due to boredom.
Hyouka is the only thing that's made it through my filter so far (for anime), and only because I'm reminded a bit of Sherlock-ness in it (Any Sherlock really, not particularly directed at the BBC version)
All though, I have been watching Legend of Korra and Young Justice to fill in my "anime/cartoons" hole in my heart. Loving both of those immensely <3.
And don't spoil
much of Game of Throne for me Maggy. I'm working on the books first before diving into the series. Currently working on book 2 Clash of Kings.
I am not into mystery and detective shows all that much, so I haven't checked out Hyouka (so no, I've never seen Conan either). Although I do notice a large increase in zombie/ghost related flicks. Kore wa Zombie season II, Sankarea and Amnesia are ones I am currently watching.
I really want to watch Rinne season II when it gets out, though. That show is pretty nice.
Oh uh, I also just watched Prometheus... its... quite awesome.
Since nobody has asked further questions on GoT, there's no danger of me spoiling much, Michi. But I'll be cautious. Prepare for awesomeness in A Storm of Swords, though.
@Tak: Haven't watched Prometheus yet ( later release date in Germany ), but if you want to see a differing opinion on Prometheus,
- I watch a series to the end, even if I dislike where it's going... so I'm watching that.
- this is actually very good despite what people were thinking at first. It truly shows how idols rise up in reality. I've taken many good hints from this for fanfic writing (Ranka's fame and all). I recommend it if you like to really get into idols' dressing rooms and living quarters especially.
Hiiro no Kakera
- is currently on my "to watch" list. Wonder if it's as good as certain people say.
On another note, Men in Black III had the Chinese restaurant scene removed. My best friend and I saw it on the day it first released. That scene was hilarious. It's sad to see it removed but I guess if it offends people... But seriously, I think the Chinese should be more offended at what happened to Ranka - a Chinese girl whom became the object of hate and malice among many watchers.
Still, not many interesting movies are being released right now. I don't really wanna go see Snow White and the Huntsman or anything like that... so I think I'll say that no movies are in the foreseeable future right now.
Eh, IIRC Ranka wasn't exactly popular during the series with many Chinese, either. ^^
I'm just saying... they're getting offended because of a scene in the movie where Chinese people just happened to run the restaurant and be killed by the main antagonist? There have been worse roles.
Yeah, well. I saw the movie a few weeks ago and it seemed kind of a weird scene, I couldn't exactly put my finger on it if I should feel offended or not for the Chinese. Since I got a very loud and annoying Chinese neighbour at the moment, I chose not to be offended. But it kinda has that "Chinese are criminal aliens!" vibe, which made it feel a bit cheap and offensive to me.
Then again, I thought the whole movie was barely watchable.
The scene was random but it was heading in a direction to the big boss. Plus, the whole fish scene was just plain funny.
I have to say though, having seen the first two movies, that had to be the best one so far. So it got a nice review from me.
Tak, Magnus, you guys think I should start a discussion thread for Lagrange? We could discuss how much the Muginami/Villagiulio storyline resembles the Sheryl/Grace one and how different Megumi Nakajima sounds when she's voicing a fleet commander instead of Ranka. :lol:
On another note, I updated my first post to include a few more things, including an excuse as to why I watch so much mediocre stuff. :lol:
"But seriously, I think the Chinese should be more offended at what happened to Ranka - a Chinese girl whom became the object of hate and malice among many watchers."
I don't know about Ranka being Chinese. Many Chinese audiences I know can not identify themselves with Ranka, and rightfully so, she was a Zentran with a Chinese last name all because she was adopted by Ozma. Then there is Ozma himself, who is only implied to be half-Chinese since Ozma is hardly a Chinese name. That being said, the Chinese nickname for Ranka is definitely not one worth repeating.
If you thought the general malice & hate toward Ranka was terrible, you haven't seen what the Chinese forums say about her... even I think they've gone
way too far!
LOL Darth, feel free to create a topic you believe its important to you. This is for the people by the people, and the life & death of a thread would only depend on the basic concept of supply & demand
In my personal opinion, the simple fact that people take offense to acted out scenes in a movie irritates me. For one, it is a movie, not real life, and it takes place in a future that is doomed to exist. How can it harm anyone? Should we do the same for movies about the oppression? Should we all feel offense when they make a movie about a black man killing a white man? No. Because it is a movie and not real life. Therefore, how is it offensive to just enjoy what the imagination can create? Unless it says "based on a true story," I never take offense to it. Ironically, it is the Spanish-oriented that should get pissed, since their roles in movies usually include them dying as soon as the character is introduced.
As for Ranka; I hate to tell you this Tak but she
Chinese. Her name is written as Lanca Lee and her mother's name was Lanshe Mei. Both names are very much Chinese. Her mother's last name states that she is Chinese-oriented. However, to put this in Japanese, they changed both to Ranka Ri and Ranshe Mei. There is no doubt that she carries her mother's orientation.
That being said, I think the Chinese are really rude in their opinions towards her. For one, she does resemble their personality and character. She is shorter than 90% of the women in the show, is hard working, and is easily swayed into helping by her nature. Sadly, most forums chop it up to the fact she lost the love triangle. Another problem is that they
she made horrible choices. Besides the fact I think her decision to leave with an enemy that would possibly kill her was brave, I look outside of the romance field with her character. She worked really hard to obtain her dream in both universes. However, her character often clashed with that of a regular teen: finding love, losing it to another, and being heartbroken. During the short clips they showed of her working, you can see her pride showing full-throttle. This is what characterizes her above Lynn Minmei. She had a good role model too, Sheryl Nome. But since they always view the romance side of it, she always comes up short because she took it slow. But I look at Sheryl, whom also did so, and never ever stated her feelings with words, and I laugh at the words. It was up to the boy to decide, as Ranka stated, and whether or not he chose her in the series will remain up to debate (especially since the movie and series run on two different universes). If the Chinese still take offense, especially to my words, then I guess they don't really know their own culture well. I think she is the perfect example of a futuristic Chinese woman (minus the 1/4 Zentrant).
Regarding Ozma in that retrospect, I am to believe he merely inherited it from a foster parent or perhaps changed it to that. I doubt he is really half-Chinese at all, given his height and personality. I could be wrong but there isn't much background information about the characters outside of the main three, and even they have some hidden information (like Alto's living quarters and Sheryl's parents).
I personally don't think any of you always held malice and hatred towards Ranka. As a matter of fact, lately, your dislike for her has actually dropped. We can discuss her nicely. But looking at the posts over in the Ranka Lee forum when the series first aired, a lot of you had high hopes and like for her from the start. Though she is characterized as a Minmei from the romance point of view, I see her as Misa from the single character point of view. None of the characters in Macross have ever really grown to be what one would call an "adult" or "wise person," but I think that Frontier really came close, if we exit Alto from the series out.
One thing bugs me whenever we speak of trolling: how come everyone of the main cast in the series - including Alto, mind you - got fake deaths but the only
one is Michael? Why couldn't he be saved like Sheryl was in the movie? If that is not trolling at its best then I don't know what is. Why not kill off the useless characters instead? I voted for Mishima but... he never died in the series. And, looking at the movie version, Michael could've been saved by a passing Vajra, as the implants didn't exist in the series. So I wonder if he'll pop up in the next series saying "oh, by the way, I lived."
would be a worse troll.
And... sorry for the length. I tried to compress but words better express my thoughts.
"As for Ranka; I hate to tell you this Tak but she is Chinese. Her name is written as Lanca Lee and her mother's name was Lanshe Mei. Both names are very much Chinese."
She has admitted to be part Zentran, number 1, and we don't know who her father is.
Number 2, this Macross. Interracial (taken to the level of eleven) relationships are very, very commonplace. There is no longer such a thing as a purebred
. Moreover, don't forget 99% of humanity is
at the end of Space War I, and there is no such thing as nationality amongst them anymore except for the common acknowledgement that they are all human. You also have to remember that Earth was disfigured by the end of Space War I (ex. most ocean water dried out), and countries like China
no longer exists
And I will be damned if Isamu Alva Dyson was Japanese.
Now, to give you a small lesson in Chinese, if Ranka/Lanca is written in Chinese, it'd be pronounced as 'Li Lan Hua'. Ranka can actually pass to be a Japanese name, though not a common one.
"I doubt he is really half-Chinese at all, given his height and personality"
... there are so many things I can argue against this...
Stereotyping is bad for you.
But, if anything, Chinese is one of the major languages in the Macross universe, though their grammar in the show can get quite iffy at times.
"She has admitted to be part Zentran, number 1, and we don't know who her father is."
You missed where I even mentioned that in the above piece. I don't know if you thought I had excluded or not but I mentioned this.
Actually, we know very little about any of their parents. I can guess that Sheryl's were French based on her ability to speak the language fluently. Her attitude also very much speaks of her heritage. Though, I can partly say she might be an American on one side too based upon her abrasive nature (especially at the beginning). There are many rumors that Alto's mother might've been half Meltrandi, as an explanation for his good looks. Ranka is also given the Chinese orientation. From the place she works to her personality, they continually push her into that heritage. Regardless, we know nothing about her parents unless there is information in the light novels that is unreleased as of yet.
Our opinions might be different but I really don't think that Ranka could pass as a Japanese person. Her personality clashes greatly with that. However, I won't rule out the distinct possibility that it is part of her heritage. We all know that she has some attributes of the Vajra as well.
"Number 2, this Macross. Interracial (taken to the level of eleven) relationships are very, very commonplace."
I figured this out years ago. I wasn't referring to it at all. We're talking about people's heritage. However, when he designs his characters, they usually fall into the same categories of heritage. So interracial or not, the heritage would remain. A good example is Klan, who could easily pass as a Japanese despite her name, or French. Alto passes as both a typical American boy and Japanese male at the same time.
To judge characters by heritage, the key is their personality, considering how he's basically set up many English spelled characters as of late: Sheryl, Michael, Luca, and Catherine.
"And I will be damned if Isamu Alva Dyson was Japanese."
He might've had a Japanese mother or father. Otherwise, we'd have to figure out where the first name came from...
"Now, to give you a small lesson in Chinese, if Ranka/Lanca is written in Chinese, it'd be pronounced as 'Li Lan Hua'."
You forget that Mei is Chinese. But, I can only assume that Ranshe got that last name from her husband. Perhaps the father is Chinese. Ranshe didn't show traits of the heritage. Perhaps she obtained it from her father instead.
"... there are so many things I can argue against this..."
The height, I can understand. However, his personality and commanding tone is more prone to Japanese and American males. However, the question remains on his heritage because his personality has so many different traits to it. However, the sister complex definitely plants him back in the Japanese culture to me. Above all else, Japanese are very protective of their kin, also very prideful, as Ranzou shows. Disgrace them and you pay the price, as Alto did. Ozma falls under the category very well for his overprotective behavior and disapproval in Ranka's desire to leave the nest against his wishes.
Haha... I just realized... How did we get from talking about the movie to this again...?
The point I am making is very simple...
Arguing about racial heritage in Macross is ultimately trite. These humans are 99% clones, they get produced in a chamber by a composition of different strands of DNA, then get a name slapped on their face.
While this story is written from the human perspective, they are actually minorities even within the vaunted UN SPACY, as Zentrans compose the absolute majority.
"You forget that Mei is Chinese."
Her written name in Chinese is 美 蘭雪. 美 is not a valid Chinese last name.
I won't stop you if you hold onto your beliefs regarding racial heritage and whatnot in Macross, though to a majority of us, we more or less find it to be a pointless exercise.
I am inclined to very much disagree. Based on what we understand, Alto was born from Miyo and Ranzou through natural childbirth, which would mean his parents named him. So we would then have to question why they named him Alto, which - in the English language - translates to a high-pitched or vibrant voice. As for Sheryl and Ranka, it is actually a bit questionable. But so far, Alto is the only person with a standing background of real parents.
Besides, I've long been question where Kawamori comes up with these names for the characters...
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