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Your favorite character archetype?
Your favorite character archetype?
God has blessed me with not ONE, but
in recent times.
You will probably be surprised...
I am very, very happy.
Who are the first two?
Sankarea and Dusk Maiden of Amnesia.
The kick? All four of them deal with supernatural occurrences in one way or the other
Ah, and yes... her...
I guess he counts, too
Prettier than the other four, that's for sure.
Tak, are all these characters supposed to represent one archetype, or do they all represent different archetypes? And if so which one(s) do they represent? Right now it seems to me that the most likely candidate is what TV Tropes refers to as "Tall, Dark, and Bishoujo."
Not necessarily tall or dark. But definitely Bishoujo and
You know why Alto was called the
Hell, I just found out TV Tropes has a page dedicated to
, too. Or more precisely, the
, which I never knew existed as a trope, lol.
Hmmm, with the exception of Alto are you sure ojou isn't a more appropriate term than hime for these characters?
Tall, dark, and bishoujo has often seemed a bit of an iffy trope to me. Not everyone I've seen listed for it has necessarily been all that tall, the dark part refers to the characters hair, and apparently an aloof attitude is a key requirement for the trope despite not being mentioned in the title. That being said, unless you've got a better idea if does seem to be about the best I can come up with to try to describe the archtype you've got here. (Which seems to be aloof young ladies with long dark hair more or less.)
Well, I can say that Sheryl made a whole new archetype for me to enjoy.
Indeed she did. Its hard to pin an archetype on her.
"Hmmm, with the exception of Alto are you sure ojou isn't a more appropriate term than hime for these characters?"
Not really. Some of them are, some of them aren't. The appropriate term, I think, would be 'Aristocratic or Traditional Aura'
My opinion of Sheryl Nome might not matter much but I always figured she was a traditional archetype. Considering the previous characters that fell under her archetype that I've watched, Higurashi Kagome and Kamiya Kaoru, I felt she was the next generation version. Outside of a romance field, she was stubborn, hotheaded, strong, and yet compassionate. So I felt she slipped into that archetype of characters. This made it hard for me to hate, hate her like all other AR fans due to the fact I've liked this archetype in the past. What made it hard for me to like, like her was the romance path she took and the fact she is a tsundere down to the core, which annoyed the hell out of me, especially in the romance pieces.
As for Saotome Alto, I found his archetype to be the typical male, despite the gender issues. He starts off as a normal delinquent, disowned by his parents, aloof from everyone else, and detached from life itself. I always slammed him into the same category as Okazaki Tomoya due to this, although the latter played pranks and jokes on his fellow classmates to get through life. In the second half, he was slightly upgraded to a typical delinquent. Nonetheless, he still turned out as a normal delinquent, as they never showed him quite outgrowing that swell head of his. Also, he never reconciled with his father in the end, whereas the other characters in this archetype had. Still, "tall and dark" doesn't actually apply to him,
. But I'd love to see that!
I was absolutely astonished that Ranka Lee was in my archetype. I usually don't like moe characters nor lolis but something about her personality drew me into this archetype just enough to love her (although I still don't personally like lolis and moes). She grows more in these twenty-five episodes than 90% of her archetype out there. She separates from the typical loli. Although being dependent like others, she is strong, dependent, loving, and compassionate. She reminds me of a girl trying hard to break out of her shell. She also isn't as naive as most of her archetype. That is what usually ticks me off about lolis. They are naive to the core and don't even understand the basics of human life. She was not so. Her character understood the basic concepts of life, even how romance worked in a general way, and grew on these notions. She did not fall into my typical loli so I created a new one for her: second-stage-loli (the gift that keeps on giving
Regardless, I think my personal favorite of any character in a show would have to be Hinamori Amu, who actually falls under Sheryl Nome's archetype. I cannot get enough of the girl. There is something absolutely different about her as compared to her successor that allures me more.
Despite the fact I do respect some tsundere characters, I think I'll clear the air here: I never once liked Lynn Minmei in the romance department. Even though she grew in
Do You Remember Love
, I disliked her personality overall. I respect her as a character but always felt Misa was better for Hikaru. So please stop thinking that I chose Ranka based on her Minmei features. In that case, I would love Sheryl since she is more Minmei than Ranka in attitude.
For clarification, can I ask how we're using (or should be using) the term "archtype" exactly here? Are we using it to refer to a prototype character who set the pattern for later characters of a particular type, a perfect or typical example of a character type, or a sort of general/stock character type?
I'm guessing we are referring to stuff that TVTropes has labeled as certain categories. I don't know how "delinquent" applies to Alto even in the slightest, though, since it is a term for a criminal, which is certainly far from what Alto represented. He actually was a surprisingly mature ( well, he grew into that, but quite fast ) and responsible protagonist, which is why I like him so much. Although he still retained his propensity to yell in the cockpit, otherwise he showed after a while a good sense of who he was and what he wanted to do. He only waffled around with showing his feelings towards the two girls.
I liked that. I liked that a lot. There are not that many mecha main protagonists who are not whiny little snots who complain about having to pilot an awesome mecha to protect their home. Protagonists who show some maturity ( for a perfect example I'd refer to Hakuoro from Utawarerumono... grantedly not a mecha anime ) are sadly quite rare in anime.
I gotta say Sheryl Nome is the character that took me by surprise, breaking out from the haughty diva mold I placed her at the start of the series. She kept growing as a character without losing her charm and strength. She's the most dynamic character in the series for me, and as of now, I've yet to find other characters for me to appreciate like I did with her. What she said to Alto couldn't be truer than true
"You'll never find a woman as wonderful as me~"
Sheryl Nome surprised me a whole lot. After all, before Macross Frontier, Lacus Clyne was on the pedestal of all-time greats, and Sheryl was up against a very high standard. Though for some reason, I never thought of her as just another bland, diva-type character, even if I initially had the impression that she would be a haughty bitch. I had hopes for her, and I was proven right, eventually. Her dynamic and growth seriously
me, and I was pleasantly surprised.
Sheryl Nome and May'n, you are both my hopes & dreams
OTOH, Lacus Clyne was a very well done Yamato Nadeshiko. The best, I dare say.
I agree that Sheryl is an awesome character, but what character archetype is she supposed to be exactly? For her to be an archetype doesn't she need to either be a perfect example of a particular character type or set a pattern that other characters of her type follow?
Hm, perhaps the "standard tsundere?"
Like I said, she falls under the same category as most of her predecessors. Even though there are differences in settings, one can easily look at her personality and growth and categorize here.
Perhaps we should see some options of archetypes first. Cause I have a few, but one... I'm not sure which archetype to put her under (thinking of Usagi of Sailor Moon).
Eh? Personally I believe Alto played the
Sheryl was just... Sheryl... I personally cannot recall her
moments. Sure, she had occasions of denial, but they were not due to Alto.
Oh, there definitely were some. But she is not "standard" anything.
. I disliked her like mad for it. She would be a typical tsundere and move in, pushing into the romance, then, upon getting unsettled or uncomfortable with the closeness, she would pull away and either blame or hit him. He did nothing from the start. Rather, if it wasn't for her chasing him, he wouldn't have even spent more than three minutes with her. It annoyed and aggravated him. This did not change with time. Though they grew to respect one another, their communication failed time and again. She refused to tell him that she was dying, never mind that should she die without him knowing it would hurt him more and make him blame himself. He never spoke of his dream of flying nor his love for the sky being attached to his mother. She didn't even tell him of how she was felt. She at least told him about being an orphan but not truly how it affected her. He kept assuming things as their relationship started and matured. Take into account the dinner scene, to which he is truly confused. As a standalone character, I could like her. She is strong and inspirational in her own way, albeit a bit irritating in her inability to trust anyone. She came to trust Ranka more than she ever did Alto. /falls down/ But when Sheryl and Alto are together, they bicker and argue over the stupidest things, ones that don't even matter. Society has shown that this is not good for a long-lasting relationship. Communication of feelings is #1 in a healthy relationship. I don't mean "break down and cry about your feelings" but express them even a little to the significant other. They never truly did that. Granted, they spoke of her career, but the most important thing to her (considering her background) should be Alto at that point. Why is her career still light-years ahead of him in her heart if she truly loves him? Personally, I think their characters couldn't develop this based on their pasts. He was aloof and closed off from life whilst she was betrayed and used, not to mention orphaned and treated like trash. Likewise, he's always felt like he wasn't man enough to do anything. She doesn't help this along by constantly teasing him about this. But in the end, they never outgrew these problems. The one moment he tried to cross this bridge and state his mind... she stopped him. /facepalm/ Seriously, she asked for the line "you are both my wings" by stupidly stopping him because by the time that came around, he didn't want to state his feelings to either girl, probably afraid to hurt the other, or simply because he wanted to inspire both to rise. She was tsundere this way for most of the series, always doubting his choice to stay with her out of love, even feeling guilty for tying him down. Alto was not this way. He tried to close the gap so many times, asking questions about her, even as a friend or comrade, and she only let him in two times tops. Otherwise, he kept guessing and plowing along. One thing that was definitely annoying about their communication was the lack on his part especially. He expressed no feelings through words that came close to devotion and love for her. His actions didn't help. He only acted out once. Meanwhile, another kept getting drive out of him no matter the situation. Even in the end, when she was supposedly dead, he didn't cry, didn't lose hope, nor show emotion besides mere shock. But when the other girl left, he moped and fawned over her painting like a lost puppy. There's a large difference. If she is his soulmate, show some agony over the loss of your loved one, brat. Otherwise, please state to the fans watching this show that you love the other girl. After all, you certainly screamed and agonized more over the other girl and not her. Movie version aside (which you still didn't show any emotion in that category beyond "damn, I lost the Commander and Sheryl"), do something.
Say what you want, but it always makes me laugh that AS fans can be so high and mighty yet the golden scene of her supposed death shows him only gasping in shock that she died yet he doesn't shed a tear or even acknowledge the loss of his supposed soulmate. How is it love if your heart doesn't just die to see your loved one die? If you can just keep going on without getting even pissed off, then you didn't love that person to death, she meant nothing to you.
Oh, and I don't care if you hate large paragraphs. I notice that breaking it up, no one reads it all and assumes pathetic things because they're too lazy to read the rest just because they disliked the first half. Don't like, don't respond; it's as simple as that to avoid shipping wars.
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