- User Lists
Showing Visitor Messages 11 to 20 of 20
I am not trying to do that, I am attempting to show that they haven't done any acts of love because they were either too young, not the main point of the story any more or the plot was never about confessing.
One of the ways I recognize that there is some relationship potential in the show(if there is not kissing or declarations or such), is to see if other characters in the show see the feelings of others. In this way, Since Shari saw it, I believe it. You'll want to be careful, then, because both Amy and Fate have recognized that Yuuno has feelings for Nanoha(Fate has even said that she cheers Yuuno on in this regard!). Although, conversely, it seems fairly likely Nanoha is ignorant of this and doesn't seem to have feelings for anyone (she's married to her job, if anything, heh).
Let me restate to be clear: I have no problems with NanoFate, or people thinking they look like they'd make a good couple, or writing them as a couple (I even have a few fics that do this pairing). There is subtext there that can be interpreted that way. But there is no real evidence they feel anything more than friendship towards each other. And given that the show hasn't had much of a problem developing actual relationships, I see nothing that would hold them back if they decided to do that. And as noted, there is much stronger evidence for Chrono/Amy, Griffith/Lucino, and Teana/Subaru. Hell, there is even stronger evidence for Nanoha/Yuuno, but AS doesn't take that as canon, either. Despite the fact that Amy, Fate, and Hayate are all aware of Yuuno's feelings.
Are you referring to the groping incident? If so, then Hayate is lesbian for a lot of women...
Maybe it's because you have been in a relationship and you grope your partner or your partner gropes you (wow, now I feel weird for saying that...) that you consider this to be a sign of affection. Personally, I think that it's just because Subaru's more of a pervert (or more open) so she did that. Nanoha and Fate would be out of character if they did that; they're more mature and calm.
Although I do find it interesting that you find hugging and kissing to be 'explicitly sexual' but not groping. :P Let me tell you, that when you are in a relationship with a girl who loves you, yes, you can play around. Kissing, hugging, groping, etc. The dynamic is much different as opposed to just friends.
Oh, lastly I'll say that, yes, Chrono/Amy and Griffith/Lucino were information dumps, but we could see possibilities early on (especially if you read the manga). Shari realized Griffith and Lucino had feelings for each other, for instance, and made it a point to help set the two up. There is quite a bit of extra material out there that covers it, although since the anime focuses more on the concept of family, it doesn't cover actual romantic relationships much.
I think you've said this a few times here or in your fics; Nanoha was never about romance. It's like trying to bash a comedy for having no horror. Pardon me but I will consider that article partially void due to this.
When I said it was about families, and more to the point, about different kinds of families, I do honestly believe they meant to show the formation of a family, that lacks any sort of romance or sexual aspects. Just like Fate adopts Caro, Nanoha, Fate and Vivio form a kind of odd family, but one in which two close sisters raise a child. It's as if to say, "Hey, a family is more than just the typical thing you see on TV. There are many ways, all equally valid, for people to come together into a family-like unit."
It's partially why I'm kinda against the lesbian aspect... because I feel it takes away from the accomplishment done here. Actually, Nanoha (kinda like Fate), is more of a single mother, so it is more like two mothers supporting each other to make their lives work better. I think that is an interesting concept and, that is taken away from by saying that *have* to be lesbians to make it work. There are many single mothers out there, and it is possible, and kudos to the show for saying that a single mother, adopting a small child, isn't a bad thing. It's a similar argument I get from people strongly into NanoFate who find out that Yuuno is involved in some of my fics, and say something like, "Why does Nanoha NEED a man? Why must a woman have a man? Why can't you just let the relationship be between two women?" And I'd say, "Why must Nanoha have anyone at all? Why can't she be a single mother?"
And the show doesn't shy away from lesbianism, either. "Rainbows are straighter than Subaru," after all. So while this comedy has no overt horror, it is there in small doses, and I must conclude that the intent of a plot point was comedy, and not horror. But as I've also said, I'm fine with people taking that angle; just try not to claim it is factual, anymore than trying to claim that Acous is Chrono's secret lover, even though the two are close.
And luckily, I do know some NanoFate people (who are actual lesbians!) who are cool with Yuunoha, or with Nanoha as a single mother, in addition to NanoFate. Hell, some of them tried to post Future Tense (which has no overt lesbianism) to nanofate.us because they liked it so much, but the owner of the site, Haru, deleted it (even though it has, according to most people, one of the best Nanoha/Fate chapters they've read). So if you wonder why I'm a little peevish about this concept, it is because I hate seeing even NanoFate people being slapped down for supporting an alternate interpretation.
I also agree that NanoFate is not canon and probably will never be shown as canon since there are now so many characters Tsuzuki wants to write about. I never meant to prove that it was canon, I wanted to disprove that it has no chance to be canon.
Well, I'll accept the guys. I've already accepted girls being homosexual, so why not the other gender?
So, while I can see fics taking their relationship in a homosexual direction (and yes, there is enough subtext to play off that interpretation), I don't tend to see them that way currently. If anything, I see it as them perhaps having feelings for each other deep inside, and just haven't acted on it. But otherwise, I see them like many other "bromances" with buddy cops and such.
Plus, having been around the block a few times, it kinda unnerves me when people see "closeness" as "obviously romantic." Two people can't just be close without any romantic or sexual tension? I tend to find this attitude from those who haven't experienced such closeness in their lives, so obviously they would have no experience spotting it. I have, so I guess that just makes me more reluctant to actually call something a romantic relationship, without explicit evidence (such as a mouth to mouth kiss).
Sorry, that part was rushed; I was thinking of how to phrase it when my lecturer came in. When you posted, "she presumes Nanoha will get pregnant by a man", I thought that you meant via sexual intercourse. I wanted to point out that she could stay true to Fate and have still a child.
Somehow I think that the last part was also directed at me
It's vague for a reason (Tsuzuki prefers trolling the fanbase), and a big test I use, is to reverse the genders. What if two male actors joked about carrying the baby for their partner? And told a journalistic that they played their buddy cop routine as a married couple?
2012-10-06 14:11Koveras AlvaneYeah, but still, IIRC Alicia was said to have some magical talent, if nowhere near Precia or Fate's...
As to your question, I don't think there is a definitive answer to it. I vaguely recall that some spells summon two circles, which rotate in different direction, while others' circles rotate faster or slower and even change direction...
- About darkhalo191
- In solitude
- Avatar & Signature
- Miyafuji Yoshika, Watashi ni Dekiru Koto
- Nanoha StrikerS