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  1. Keroko
    2010-01-25 15:30
    Keroko
    I don't think so.

    Seriously I can't think of a single example. :O


    He defended Sein and Wendi from Quattro, telling her that it was a wonderful display of life and how happy he was that they did so.

    Hardly. In the first place it's a cat. Next to humans cats are the most spiteful creatures on the planet.

    Hah! You think. Pigeons hold prime spot there.

    Anyway, wasn't the cat fine afterwards? All you can accuse her of then is of robbing the cat of it's dream of being 50ft tall and eating everyone. Which some would call a good thing. I'm not sure that you're meant to root for the monster in monster movies.

    Like I said, it definitely was far less friendly than what Nanoha was doing.

    So, if we're not going to follow the dictionary definition what does cruel mean?

    And that is where the true problem lies. I'll leave you to ponder the philosophical consequences.

    "Counterpoint, that's just pathetic fallacy, and in fact I rather think that it is intended to make the weather seem malicious. All things considered it's hard to think of the weather as benign. And as for the biker, is that anything more than apathy? Also I bet Fate would stop to help a fallen biker."

    What Fate would have done is irrelevant here, point is that someone can be called cruel for an act -or lack thereof- that does not involve malice.

    "Actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea. ...that goes the other way around too."

    Prosecution would have a field day with that. They already have the act (several cases, in fact) and with Fate's words at the end, proof of the willingness to perform said acts.

    Now that's cruel. (hard, heartless, unforgiving)

    Guilty as charged. If I were in court, I would be willing to let her go because of her background, and her desire to repent, but I would not hold her blameless.

    Which, ironically, is what the Nanohaverse court decided as well. Her recruitment was part of labor punishment, if I recall.

    When you say it like that I can't help but think that Keroko is doing the same thing that Scaglietti did in episode 24 of StrikerS. Which has quite ruined my mental image of you I must say. :P

    ... That's gotta be the first time I've been compared to Jail.

    Oh well, I like Jail, so I don't really mind the comparison. :3
  2. Gespenst
    2010-01-25 15:07
    Gespenst
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    Doing this, I can say Jail is a good guy just because he made a few selfless comments to the numbers
    I don't think so.

    Seriously I can't think of a single example. :O

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    Jail comparison, I can pull a few quotes from the manga where he is talking like a loving father and say
    Counterpoint. Blatant lies.

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    harmless kitty
    Hardly. In the first place it's a cat. Next to humans cats are the most spiteful creatures on the planet. In the second, you have to ask yourself why it wanted to be so big in the first place. If cats could they'd eat you and everyone you cared about.

    I was joking but thinking about lions...

    Anyway, wasn't the cat fine afterwards? All you can accuse her of then is of robbing the cat of it's dream of being 50ft tall and eating everyone. Which some would call a good thing. I'm not sure that you're meant to root for the monster in monster movies.

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    See above. A person needs not be Mean, heartless, brutal, sadistic or vicious when not helping someone, yet can still be called cruel for not doing so. Weather can't even express that, and still be called cruel.
    So, if we're not going to follow the dictionary definition what does cruel mean?

    Or ...should I have added "hard, harsh, severe"?

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    And yet we have sayings such as 'it's cruel weather outside' or one can call someone cruel for not helping someone who fell of a bike
    Counterpoint, that's just pathetic fallacy, and in fact I rather think that it is intended to make the weather seem malicious. All things considered it's hard to think of the weather as benign. And as for the biker, is that anything more than apathy? Also I bet Fate would stop to help a fallen biker.

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    I'm blaming her for something she offered to do.
    Actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea. ...that goes the other way around too.

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    And no, I'm not giving the poor girl a break. She was working on world destruction long before she got tossed aside by Precia.
    Now that's cruel. (hard, heartless, unforgiving)

    Oh, I think we need to put the definition we mean every time we use the word now.

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    was obviously far less friendly than what Nanoha was doing. Or trying to, at any rate.
    Well they needed them to have some reason to fight.

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    Jail has a multiitude of things to be ashamed of. For Fate, you're slapping her with the 'she's a bad person" tag for a few "bad" things she did for a harmless wish...Which is honestly more a subjective opinion than anything.
    When you say it like that I can't help but think that Keroko is doing the same thing that Scaglietti did in episode 24 of StrikerS. Which has quite ruined my mental image of you I must say. :P

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    You seem to think people can't be emotionally distressed to the point...
    Like I said. Nine-year-old girl.

    Edit: v Well then. I guess this has been an argument about nothing.
  3. Keroko
    2010-01-25 14:43
    Keroko
    At least something is gained, then.

    The main point is, I like Fate having a flaw. For me, that makes her character a ton more realistic than some angel who can remain entirely pure after all the crap she's been through. Experiences like that leave their mark, and not in a positive way either.

    In liking a flawed Fate, I don't see the need to find excuses for her selfishness. For me, a girl who only wants to be loved to the point where she is willing to anything is nothing but natural, and indeed preferred.
  4. Demi.
    2010-01-25 13:14
    Demi.
    Yeah, well my 20,000 word limit is over for the day. Nothing more to say, as I said from the beginning, trying to change an opinion in this debate is a fruitless effort.

    Whatever, at least I got to vent myself.
  5. Keroko
    2010-01-25 13:06
    Keroko
    "I beg to differ. You can't be blamed for something that never happened."

    But you can blame someone for the intent. After all, that's what I'm doing right now.

    "I don't know why, but this comment... So let me get this straight, a person can work earnestly for something or someone totally unknowing of the consequences, and they're blamed for it, despite not having the slightest hint of what they were doing? Better yet, a 9yr old girl who is abused and is working for her mother she remembers as being "gentle" just so happens to be a crazy women hellbent on destroying the planet with her ambitions...And despite all that, Fate is working for world destruction?...Right."

    She's a smart girl, she knows what Jewel Seeds are and knows they're a no-no. Despite this, she still gathers these dangerous objects without second question. She might not have gone 'har har, these jewels are gonna blow up this world!' but she still gathered them.

    "The first part was in one of the A's sound stages, I don't recall which exactly. The second part - it was in the series itself. While Nanoha and Fate were talking about how they should deal with the wolkenritter."


    I'll look into it.

    "It's not cruel if it puts your own life at stake. If you see a guy bleeding on the side of the street and look the other way - that's cruel. If you're in a building that's collapsing with mere second to spare, and you come across a cripple struggling to free himself from rubble...Leaving him behind is not cruel."


    My example was a guy falling down a bike. How does that fare?

    "Calling Fate is "crueler" still relates to a trait of hers. Saying what Fate did was crueler, however...Is an entirely different story. I don't agree that it was, but it's better than where we left off."

    Actually, that's where todays debate got started.

    "Jail has a multiitude of things to be ashamed of. For Fate, you're slapping her with the 'she's a bad person" tag for a few "bad" things she did for a harmless wish...Which is honestly more a subjective opinion than anything. Especially so because her actions are the only thing you can have a subjective view on. Her words however, were all pure. I don't even know how it can be debated. After all, the closest thing she mentioned to something selfish was wishing for her mother to smile at her."

    And here is one of the biggest mis communications we have. I'm not slapping her with the 'she's evil' tag, I'm ripping apart the 'she's too pure to willingly do bad things' tag. Very big difference between them.

    "It doesn't take much to make a kitty cry. A little pull to the tail usually does the trick. Nanoha wasn't bound by abuse, I don't get why you disregard Fate's tragic childhood while blaming her for her actions. She was in a strict time basis, unlike Nanoha the consequences were not dire. Heck, there were no consequences at all, for her."

    You're dodging the issue. What Fate was doing was decisively less kind than what Nanoha was doing.

    "You seem to think people can't be emotionally distressed to the point where their logical thoughts go right out the window and they react on whim alone. Fate was smart, no doubt, but for the love of God, she was devastated beyond repair at the time. I don't get it, I really don't. Maybe because I've had a similar (well, not as bad as her) childhood that I can understand where she's coming from...But apparently not everyone can see that, but I digress."

    Which doesn't change the fact that she knows what she was doing was wrong, but still did it. That's the point. You're trying to wave it away with "Oh no, that really wasn't Fate's fault" yes it was. She knew she was doing a bad thing and still did it, her situation means she gets leniency, but it's not an excuse. In the end, she did do it, and the responsibility for not stopping when officer Chrono said "stop" falls squarely on her.
  6. Demi.
    2010-01-25 12:52
    Demi.
    >>As are you. However, we have Fate's words that she will do so versus speculation that she wouldn't. I hold the upper hand.

    I beg to differ. You can't be blamed for something that never happened.

    >>*tilts head* Which track was that?


    The first part was in one of the A's sound stages, I don't recall which exactly. The second part - it was in the series itself. While Nanoha and Fate were talking about how they should deal with the wolkenritter.

    >>I'm blaming her for something she offered to do. And no, I'm not giving the poor girl a break. She was working on world destruction long before she got tossed aside by Precia.

    I don't know why, but this comment... So let me get this straight, a person can work earnestly for something or someone totally unknowing of the consequences, and they're blamed for it, despite not having the slightest hint of what they were doing? Better yet, a 9yr old girl who is abused and is working for her mother she remembers as being "gentle" which just so happens to be a crazy women hellbent on destroying the planet with her ambitions...And despite all that, Fate is working for world destruction?...Right.

    >>Calling someone cruel for not helping is not 'out of context.'

    It's not cruel if it puts your own life at stake. If you see a guy bleeding on the side of the street and look the other way - that's cruel. If you're in a building that's collapsing with mere second to spare, and you come across a cripple struggling to free himself from rubble...Leaving him behind is not cruel.

    >>"There is no person on earth (by your definition of it) who has not done something cruel at one point or another, but does that make him/her a cruel person? No, of course not. If you want to label some one a "cruel" person then it needs to be a trait. Otherwise, everyone is cruel, no exceptions."

    Calling Fate is "crueler" still relates to a trait of hers. Saying what Fate did was crueler, however...Is an entirely different story. I don't agree that it was, but it's better than where we left off.

    >>Yes you are. You throw a few nice comments and say "See? That's not selfish!" ignoring the actions and their consequences. Which is why I threw in the Jail comparison, I can pull a few quotes from the manga where he is talking like a loving father and say "See? He's not evil!"

    Jail has a multiitude of things to be ashamed of. For Fate, you're slapping her with the 'she's a bad person" tag for a few "bad" things she did for a harmless wish...Which is honestly more a subjective opinion than anything. Especially so because her actions are the only thing you can have a subjective view on. Her words however, were all pure. I don't even know how it can be debated. After all, the closest thing she mentioned to something selfish was wishing for her mother to smile at her.

    >>The kitty crying out in pain for one. But this is nitpicking, what Fate was doing was obviously far less friendly than what Nanoha was doing. Or trying to, at any rate.

    It doesn't take much to make a kitty cry. A little pull to the tail usually does the trick. Nanoha wasn't bound by abuse, I don't get why you disregard Fate's tragic childhood while blaming her for her actions. She was in a strict time basis, unlike Nanoha the consequences were not dire. Heck, there were no consequences at all, for her.

    >>Ah, so now Fate is a mindless, stupid drone that doesn't even consider that dangerous forbidden Lost Logia with world destroying powers were forbidden for a reason. Yes, I can see much improvement. *rolls eyes*

    Excuse me if I don't really enjoy the play of the idiot card. Fate is a smart girl, this is one of the things she has going for her. Not being able to figure out that 'hmm, these items are pretty darn dangerous, and I'm fighting law enforcement officers to get them, maybe this isn't such a nice thing' is something I find fully unbelievable.

    You seem to think people can't be emotionally distressed to the point where their logical thoughts go right out the window and they react on whim alone. Fate was smart, no doubt, but for the love of God, she was devastated beyond repair at the time. I don't get it, I really don't. Maybe because I've had a similar (well, not as bad as her) childhood that I can understand where she's coming from...But apparently not everyone can see that, but I digress.
  7. Keroko
    2010-01-25 12:23
    Keroko
    Hmm, yes I do like cats.
  8. itanshi1
    2010-01-25 12:22
    itanshi1
    I like cats. Do you like cats?
  9. Keroko
    2010-01-25 12:21
    Keroko
    I aim to please.
  10. Nya~n
    2010-01-25 12:20
    Nya~n
    Keroko m'dear, i have never seen a profile page that requires one to scroll down so much just to reach the bottom of the page. >.o

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