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2014-11-22 22:02KrimzonStrikerI'm cool with it, I much rather a complete run through showing all the secrets. Take your time in any event, I'll scout out more dialogue traps/benefits in the meantime. Remember to look at my post on different knowledge perks opening up dialogue options before you get too far ahead btw
2014-11-22 11:41KrimzonStrikerEdit: Okay, looks like details regarding Bianca are coming out, at least a little, during Varric's personal mission. Here's the video, along with a follow up conversation here but don't look until you actually get the mission though. Feel free to ask Varric about the crossbow after all in your generic conversations. Stay away from the Orsino option still though
Let's see, of course ask the investigative questions of course, then select "It's a pleasure." After the second wheel of course investigate again, but after you finish immediately accept the mission to get Varric's approval. In the third wheel after more investigative questions go "Hope you know how to fight" which has some funny dialogue . Next dialogue another question to ask and then go "You've been waiting to do that" for more approval. Huh, next dialogue wheel looks like you can say anything though the "Varric?" option I've now already heard and doesn't net any approval or disapproval so maybe select one of the other two to see what happens. The next one, go "Did you?" the other options look like they cut through extra dialogue so stick with the conventional answer. After that ask the set of new investigation questions, though the final response "You put this on us" gets you slight approval I've already seen it and "It wasn't really your fault" might be interesting, I'll leave that up to you. Errr, this next one is a bit tricky, "She's right' does get a slight approval from Varric, though going 'Varric's right' might also get you more, I don't know and once again I'll leave that up to you. Alright this next one, either go "Nobody is" or "Talk your way out of it", not sure which one will get you approval so choose what you feel is appropriate though the latter might be funny to watch In the final conversation though definitely go "No you wouldn't" which is surefire great approval and feels the most natural response, though I am curious what "She did you a favor" says though... maybe you can do a stop and save beforehand to see what he say to that?
Okay, in your follow up conversation go back to talk to him and then hit the 'special' option to ask about Bianca again, fun information.
More Edits!: Okay, forgot to mention but of course after the whole Cassandra book reveal go speak to Varric, hit the special option, and of course hit 'Cassandra wants a book". In the next dialogue say "She's a big fan" to get some approval. After that go "Cassandra seems to like it" and then of course go "Fine" for the last one. Afterwards head over to Cassandra, do either "I thought you'd like it" or "None other" whichever, and finally "Thank Varric" (already saw that one but it seems wrong not to give him credit).
2014-11-21 20:57KrimzonStrikerOkay, I've settled on some more dialogue choices like in Cassandra's romance scene after seeing a few more. Go "This is what you wanted" then "You're so picky" then "What do you believe" and really I've heard all three of these choices and they're pretty much the same, I'm disinclined to go with "I love you" since she doesn't say it back and this all is still rather abrupt in terms of the length of the relationship which she note. I guess if I had to choose it'd be "I believe it" but its reply is really abrupt and "You might not have a choice" feels like the one with the most elaborate answer. My opinion though, it's up to you on that last one.
Oh and in case I didn't say it before then after the mage recruitment in your second major conversation with Cassandra select "Is there a problem?" then go "I hope it will work out" and finish up with "Flatterer". Honestly, given some of these hidden dialog scenes I keep running into like Dorian commenting about how he and the human noble might be distantly related you should probably constantly check to see if your companions/councilors/minor character have something new to say or some update whenever you're in Skyhold after even minor missions and definitely in between each main mission.
Edit: Gah, forgot to include the first conversation with her. Go "Your impressive", ask the investigative questions, then go... hmm, try "It's too late to turn back now" I haven't heard that one yet and the 'you had to do it' one doesn't net any approval or disapproval, then finally "You had cause" and lastly of course go "Yes" on the question of your faith.
Second Edit: Ah, new footage of a conversation with Cassandra after some Grey Warden missions bits in Adamant fortress (make sure to take her with you from the looks of it). Go "Love Poetry I take it?", "That's a good idea", ask the question "You think it's possible?" and then select "I believe it was her".
2014-11-21 08:49KrimzonStrikerOh hey, I figured out where that special dialog about getting lyrium for the ritual after you recruit your side to close the breach. It's a perk increasing your knowledge of the criminal underground. Does the guide say anything about it? Cause there seem to be other dialogue perks like knowledge of the arcane or knowledge about politics. These could open up a lot of benefits and options...
Edit: Hey, now that I think about it maybe that magic knowledge perk opens up the dialogue option to recruit Alexius maybe?
Second Edit: I'm right! I looked at the symbol and it is the magical knowledge perk trait symbol. Be sure to get those in your upgrades before continuing on the main questline if you can/ Here's a video with the details
Third Edit: Oh, something interesting, its the aftermath of Cassandra's personal quest. Let's see, I think you should go "You seem upset", "Is that what the book says", "The rebellion was needless", click on the Investigate options of course (Maybe click the 'I don't know' option along the way) and finally finish up with "Make the Seekers better", that one is crucial to upping her approval majorly.
Next Edit: Well well well, there's an interesting alternative way to start the Dorian romance apparently, a conversation where Mother Giselle gives him a stern talking too about his intentions towards you. You think this might be available for the other romances like Cassandra mayhaps?
Another interesting tidbit, and one I think you're already aware of but make sure to A. Recruit everyone you possibly can between each major story mission, and B. Talk to everyone after each major story mission, otherwise we could miss out of interesting dialogues that will be skipped over. Like this discussions with Morrigan, she seems to need to be recruited and talked too before the main quest Grey Warden mission is complete, otherwise some interesting dialogs on how to deal with the Elder One gets segwayed into talks of her relationship with the Warden like in that last video I showed you. So in order of this updated version of the conversation anyway go "Will his father be joining us?", "He seems a bit odd", "You know about Skyhold", then "I'm rather fond of it", and "Thank You". In the generic conversation questions right afterwards on "Thoughts on the Inquisition" go "The Inquisition will continue" (You have strong convictions remember ) On the "What are you working on" questions and after you ask all your investigation questions click that special dialogue option "He thinks I'm a rival" and afterwards click either "Yes. If I could" or "I don't know how", whichever works for you since I can't decide what suits you better as a believer, I'd prefer Yes. If I could but I wouldn't want that to come off as actual aspirations for godhood versus just wanting to explore, see, and maybe reclaim the throne for the Maker.
Edit: Oh cool, you can contact the Warden after your dialog with Morrigan it seems through a Leliana mission. He sends you and Morrigan a letter, after you read yours go directly to talk to Morrigan afterwards to get her response
2014-11-20 22:34KrimzonStrikerI figured, but that's not what I meant. I literally mean the option to recruit him was not there in this one persons video here, at the 27:00 mark unlike in the others I've seen (like this one) when he did the sentencing. Maybe it's just a bug, or you need to do more side-quests/recruit more people, who knows....
Fourth Edit: Just to be on the safe side try being reasonable/assure you people you can save and show mercy towards Alexius in all your dialog options.
Cool cool, also make sure that not just the major companions but that you talk to all the available NPC characters. Fiona for one of course, but Mother Giselle seems to have some fascinating dialog information. Huh, something weird I just noted in this video but a quest dialog and other questions disappear if you ask her "How are the people" at the 2:31 mark. Maybe if you exit the conversation and try talking to her again you'll get them back? Something to watch out for and maybe ask her at the very end because 1. you want that quest and 2. I really want to know some information like who will be the next Divine etc.
Edit: New request regarding when you ask Cassandra about the Seekers and why they rebelled and then note she disagreed with it and after she recounts what happened at Kirkwall choose the option "You care deeply about it". I know saying "I agree" will net approval but I'd like to see extra dialog since Cassandra just devolves into the generic merged dialog all the responses get eventually right away rather then elaborating with more info.
Second Edit: In regards to that first point do NOT make the same mistakes this person does, he cuts off his dialog tree by asking new questions mid-way before finishing the whole conversation in asking the question that appears on the upper left side of the wheel. Check my comments below to see which ones I'm talking about, I'm Cptigris125.
Third Edit: Oh cool, beginning of the Cassandra romance is out. Am not digging the Worf american voice though. Let's see go with "Should I stop?", "Why is it impossible?", ask the question "I'm surprised", and then finish up with "I'd like to try".
Gah more edits Edit: On the immediate follow-up dialogue before you ask for some 'private time' go with the "Why so incredulous?' choice if you could and then... well I haven't heard the "I like challenges" option but the "I care for you" one does feel more natural AND I know it gives you approval. I'll leave it up to you though the challenges one might be funny to watch we might still need that approval given some of the decisions will be going against with her
Fifth Edit: Okay, I'm reviewing the video with the culmination of the Cassandra romance again. Before you hit "I'd like to talk privately" button There's also an "About us" one as well, click on it and see what it's about, if it's just giving you the option to break up then go back but I am curious if there's any extra dialog before you finally cement the relationship. Oh and apparently there's an "I'd like to ask your advice" about something button too, no idea if that's just another way to invite her to 'private time' but if it is please push that one
Who knows Edit: Scratch the "About Us" dialogue choice, it's just the breakup option <_<
Sixth edit: Huh, there's also a "special" button and a follow-up question on the cure of tranquility with Cassandra, wonder what this is all about...
2014-11-20 18:53KrimzonStrikerLet him live? You can't sentence him if he doesn't live. I guess that means go with the positive/reassuring answer after you beat him then, we'll see.
Oh, follow up on Varric after you say "Too many people died" and then after you ask him why he's staying go with "It all hasn't sunk in yet"
Edit: Gah, I know this is confusing putting all these tidbits together but during your first dialog choice when you walk in to meet Cassandra talking to the Chancellor of the Chantry say "I did what I could", gets you slight approval from her. Then of course go "Blessed be the Maker" and after you ask your investigative questions end with "I want to help".
I figured, I'm trying to look at her personal conversations and other places to keep her approval up that way after you take the hit there. Don't be too 'mages should be free' in any event, stick to a moderate approach even if you disagree with her, balancing the concerns about freedom for mages and security against them as best you can and working towards a steady sort of reform. Here's some stuff in her personal conversation after you recruit the mages, say "Keep them Hidden".... huh, okay this is probably going to get you some disapproval but follow up on the dialog choice by asking "Do you pose a risk?", I'm curious as to her response given her superior attitude towards other mages without consideration on how she herself would be regarded in turn. I'm not sure on the third option given that "Vasoth" thing, I wonder if its different if your a non-mage human noble, but if there's nothing there go with "Tevinter doesn't think so" since like before I'm curious as to her response on examples that contradict her views without hopefully being too offensive... but do go on the last option "We need mages in the Chantry", giving them a political say does strike me as a type of progressive reformer on the relationship with magic that our character is shaping up to be.
EDIT: Solas is pretty simple, at least in his first conversation, based on this walkthrough, go near the end of this video and you should get a straightforward path of maximizing his approval at least.
2014-11-20 17:33KrimzonStrikerHey, does the guide show how to get all judgements options available? I recently saw footage of a judgement of Alexius before which gave you the option of recruiting him as an agent but in another it wasn't available. I'd think getting assets like that would be important/warranted from the guide, don't you?
Edit: Okay, here's something new and to avoid. When you ask Varric to tell you about Hawke do NOT ask the question about the fate of Orsino. You get disapproval from it <_< Also, avoid asking questions about Bianca until your approval/relationship is better, like with Cassandra's brother I do want to see if he opens up later about it. Oh and when you first talk to him and he asks how you feel go with the "Too many people died" option, gets you slight approval.
Huh, turns out your quatermaster served under Loghain, when she reveals that go with the middle option of "That's an unpopular opinion", already heard the one saying he was a traitor and all she does is blow up about it.
2014-11-20 13:28KrimzonStrikerNo worries. It's giving me time to sort through various paths and other walkthroughs. Ah, then just follow my posts as I put them up then. And I figure, gah I'm going to have to sort through other walkthroughs for private and minor dialog choices to better squeeze out as much approval from all of them as possible to buffer against the backlash of the inevitably divisive big decisions. Gotta track Vivienne's after offering the mages a full alliance now. Be sure to have Blackwall and Varric as your part members for that scene btw to make sure you get their approval.
There IS a Skyhold recruitment scene for Cole after you get him so that might be it, though perhaps your approval with him also has to increase. In any event In regards to the Cassandra romance be careful when you get to the love scene, set all the age filters and stuff but maybe tweak with a slightly higher lighting to get past the censors. At worst maybe upload that specific part up on dailymotion? In any event once you become intimate with Cassandra can you re-ask the investigation question about herself, regarding her brother, she seems reluctant at first and I'm curious if that changes when you become closer. Also make sure to take her to dance at the Winter Ball
Edit: Oh, uhh, during the romance scene itself I'd go "No room for fun?" then "You don't like it?" then "Which do you believe?" and finally "I love you"
Oh, human noble conversation origins are up here . Go first the "Curious about the Trevalyans?", "Yes, they're very religious", "I'd call us disorganized" (Normally I'd say the "we're a puzzle" option but some variety is called for since we already see this option plus you are a critical/progressive thinker who advocates order and there's some merit to a more centralized Free Marches) And then either "How do you find it" (If that isn't a romance option but a question) and then "At least the isolations safe" . In your second Haven conversation with Josephine about your origins say "I enjoyed my freedom" since we want you to be a progressive believer after all that shares Cassandra's disdain for unnecessary pomp and ceremony over effective action even if you do know how to play the political game (part of that Free Marchers attitude and part of your determination not to rely solely on your title and privileges).
Edit: Oh, in regards to if anyone actually asks if your the Herald say "I don't know" cause really despite the character being a believer he shouldn't be big-headed and unthinking in his faith to assume that's the case. Except when Cullen first asks and lets you know you're being regarded as the Herald, then choose "It's unnerving" which it is since this is more of an opinion of how other regard you rather then your own opinion on being the Herald itself.
Edit: Oh and err, go with "You think I did it" for your first response. It feels more natural in the flow of the conversation.
No prob, can't wait to see what all the big options are.
Damn straight, Doom's sold it well afterall given he's one of the most popular and controversial villains between his surety of purpose and arrogant certainty combined with the contrast of being both a benevolent ruler and a megalomaniacal tyrant, the dynamic makes him so intriguing especially in how others try to deal with him.
2014-11-19 21:01KrimzonStrikerOkay... this is new, I've been seeing this video going around involving Cassandra, but this is the first time I've seen this part but COLE somehow got involved in this scene when previously he hadn't shown up... any idea in the guide on how to add him?
Edit: Saw the final result for the Cassandra romance. It was sweet and rather funny in a cheesy way. I'll wait to see if more videos with different responses show up before settling on the right order. Make sure to set an age filter on YouTube for it, it's a bit graphic nudity wise and I'd hate to see the scene ruined with censors.
Also, they've basically committed media suicide with this nonsense about Doom......<_<
2014-11-18 23:44KrimzonStrikerAlso let me know ahead of time regarding some big decisions in the future, like of for example you can pick the next Divine of the next leader of Orlais, etc. I've got some opinions based on some of the spoilers I've read. Speaking of Orlais and the Chantry after that scene where the Templars punch out the reverend mother and then denounce the Chantry, when you go up to talk to her while she's still recovering down on the ground, ask your investigative questions first of course but for your final end response pick the one that says "We can still work together" I'm curious as to what her reaction to that proposal now will be. Oh and when you go to negotiate getting the mages on your side for the final time choose the option of including Fiona in the discussion, while also questioning what the Venatori are. Also this approval rating really confuses me. I think just to be on the safe side make sure to take Varric and Blackwall as your immediate companions for the mission in order to ensure you get their approval (especially Varric). And finally when you offer the mages a full alliance and then your advisors are all arguing about it please choose the 'Consider this their probation' option, I'm curious to see if that does anything to alleviate some of their concerns. Oh and make sure you do whatever side-quests you need to do in order to ensure a supply of lyrium to close the breach with the mages afterwards, that might be important.
Also, video's out with Morrigan and her Warden son. Let's just say it validates all my feelings in picking her as my Origin romance. Let me know just before you start a conversation with her. There are one or two different dialogue choices I'd like you to ask Morrigan from the video I recently saw. I'll post it here but it contains some spoilers so I'd avoid clicking on the link until at least when you actually meet Morrigan for the first time, then I'll fill you in on the variation choices you might want to make to get some other response/elaboration in her part.
Edit: Okay, I thought about it and I suppose these aren't too spoiler-ish. On your first response choose the comment that "He's a bit...odd" regarding Morrigan's son (which he is btw) and then choose the "You have a husband?' option for the second. You don't really need too on the second one given the Warden and Morrigan probably aren't married but it'd be funny to see her reaction
Oh, forgot to add one more thing. Saw the default name of the male human and Maxwell as a first name is just too gaudy, plus I 'm getting too many flashes of Xillia thinking about it so can you change the name to Marcus instead. Combined with the last name it sounds similar to the great Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius
Edit: Saw some new scenes that'll net you more approval from Cassandra. When offered the role of Inquisitor select "I'm honored" and then choose "I fight for order, not faith". I generally think those answers the most in keeping with what the character would be feeling at that time. Generally speaking if anyone asks if you are the Herald then you should answer truthfully, you don't know for certain, which balances your flexible mindset with your faith/convictions as well. Oh and in the scene prior to that when Mother Giselle is consoling you after the confrontation with the Elder One could you select "I believe, but is that enough" or "We need more then faith". The latter I already saw on the first playlist I gave you and liked as a response for the Inquisitor we're putting together but I am curious what the former response says as well so if possible go with the "I believe" option. Oh, but do remember to ask the investigate questions of her first of course.
Edit: Oh cool, after you get Skyhold you can talk to Fiona. A few hints here and there about Alistair Stay in character though and just say "mages are useful" when the option shows up. No need to go all full approval on the rebellion, they did make a serious if understandable mistake with Tevinter after all.
Edit: Okay seriously, is there anyway to remove that hat off Cole, it gets distracting really fast in his cutscenes...<_<
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