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  1. Last Sinner
    2014-03-09 21:13
    Last Sinner
    Something I reflected on last night were 'plausible' couples in shows that were never truly acknowledged and never will be.

    Nanoha and Fate from MGLN.
    Ritsu and Mio from K-ON.
    Miki and Makoto from Idolmaster.
    Hibiki and Kanade from Precure.

    Sakaki and Kaorin from Azumanga Daioh & Uranus and Neptune from Sailor Moon probably don't fall in the same category as them. The AD one was pretty much one-sided and the one in Sailor is 'somewhat' acknowledged. It was certainly cut down back in the 90s - I'm wondering how the modern version will handle it.

    But I digress. Nanoha and Fate - everyone knows it. But hey, as AW has stated, those fueding fanboying factions within the writers of the source material have pretty much killed their own title. So it will always stay that way. Ritsu and Mio may be a bit far fetched, but it's plausible and people like being creative about it. Miki and Makoto - the most girly and the closest to a guy - that was inevitable and plausible. Hibiki and Kanade - possibly the most sensible of them all. 434NotFound certainly surprised everyone when they went so far as to make a fairly long saga of them gradually getting together as adults and even starting a family.

    But within them all there is one thing that is glaringly obvious. Because those pairings have stuff all chance of happening in the animated realm, their fanboys can still delude themselves into thinking those girls belong to them. And I think there's one of the things about yuri. If a fanboy can't have their cake and eat it too, they won't bite. Thus a serious relationship in the yuri realm usually doesn't happen.

    I think it's also a matter of perceptions of gender, love and sex still needing to change. We're not nearly as progressive in that regard as humanity wants to think it is.

    And I guess, ultimately - from anime's primary purpose in this day and age - marketing - if you want to get people to buy merchandise of the characters from a yuri title, you need to go for the more servicey kind. And really, out of all those titles we've discussed, MGLN is the only one with significant merchandise, running off implied yuri but never admitted.

    I hope the day can come where someone can write like Milk Morinaga but get enough people to buy it and make it acceptable to write about yet still be marketable. Dreaming but I'd like to think it could happen.
  2. Last Sinner
    2014-03-09 21:12
    Last Sinner
    I think what you discussed doesn't only apply to yuri - I think it applies to romance in general within the anime and also the manga realm.

    Anything involving romance usually ends up gravitating to one of two poles - the young love end, where things are relatively innocent and that anything can happen. Also tends to be that things end the moment they become a serious couple or graduate, so you never see their adult life. While on the other extreme, it's overtly sexual. Again, it's rare to find a balance.

    NANA is probably one of the few successful attempts for in between - a series about adults in long term relationships of the serious kind and actively sexual of multiple couples that reguarly cracked the 1 million mark in sales. It stalled at 21 volumes due to Yazawa being hit by serious illness for years, but a news item in a magazine in late 2013 said Yazawa had finally been able to do an illustration for the first time in a long time. There's hope Yazawa can finish - furthermore, there's a need to. Yazawa's legacy with NANA could be very telling. Because in previous Yazawa titles, the girl always got snubbed by the guy. In this case, the matter isn't necessarily about the guy anymore - if at all. It's about the two Nanas. They've both endured a lot of hardship, taken different paths, but are about to come full circle. So I do wonder how Yazawa will choose to end this. Because if she goes for a dark ending again - it really will leave a legacy for women to be misused and abused by men within the josei/shoujo genre and that women can ultimately never find happiness in romance/home life and success/security at the same time.

    That has always been what has irked me about Yazawa - she is close to the only author that can portray adult relationships/life in her realm and be successful. I know she had a crap life pre-writing from a real bastard of a husband, but for it to forever taint what she then send out to women is really concerning. Because the responses female fans of Yazawa give me...just really scare me. When they discuss the guys in NANA, they almost always pick Takumi as the one they want. Why? Because Takumi was the successful one, the financially reliable one versus Nobu the dreamer/romantic/couldn't be greedy enough to go for what he wanted. They felt he was the better option. And myself and my male friends just think 'So you're willing to be beaten, raped and cheated on constantly for the sake of financial security?' It makes me mad, in all honesty....In an era where women are supposed to be able to have a chance to live free of abuse and have a decent life, why the hell are they still willing to pick the guy who will mistreat them for forever and a day...

    In short - I hope Yazawa does one of two things. That even if the two Nanas end up single for life after their sagas, at least they stay friends and don't fall into oblivion. Or, the braver option, which Yazawa has implicated a few times, is that they choose each other. Because there are definitely signs that the two Nanas wish they could have been in a world or a society where they could have been a long-term couple. Yazawa has never used the lingo 'If only one of us was male' or anything like that. If Yazawa dooms the Nanas to a shell of a life when this is over, I won't read a thing she does ever again. She's got the chance to be an author to allow women to not settle for less. If she doesn't take it, the stigmas that haunt josei/shoujo romance are just going to infest it even more.

    As you say, when we get into the fairly/very sexual, it's rare for a title to go for that long and evenr arer for a serious relationship to exist. Nozoki Ana is one of the rare ones. 12 volumes of a guy who met one very curious girl with a very bizarre fetish to watch people getting intimate or naked. What made it work though was there was a reason behind it all and a story eventually emerged. I wouldn't exactly call it top level writing, but for something of the adult genre to last that long, actually get registed on the Top 50 charts regularly and have something of both ends was a pleasant surprise.

    It really does become clear through our discussions why Milk Morinaga says she will never allow Girl Friends to be animated. Because her work resides in that rare space in between pure lust and pure romance. It does offer some of both but within a serious context and poses the notion that two females could be a happy couple long term. Yeah, can't see those damn otaku supporting that...
  3. Last Sinner
    2014-03-09 00:03
    Last Sinner
    Okay, tomboys. From anime and games.

    Shiki from The Garden of Sinners.
    Kallen from Code Geass.
    Lavi from Last Exile.
    Kaoru from Amagami SS.
    Tamaki from Bamboo Blade.
    Kagura from Azumanga Daioh.
    Kaoru from Dear Brother.
    Kyou from Clannad.
    Re-l Mayer from Ergo Proxy.
    Yoshida from Kimi ni Todoke.
    Sei from Marimite.
    Touma from Minami-ke.
    Meryl Strife in Trigun.
    Kaori from City Hunter.
    Kino from Kino's Journey.
    Mikoto from Railgun.


    Games:

    Chie Satonaka from Persona 4.
    Estelle Bright from Trails in the Sky.
    Claret Spencer from Skyborn.


    A question I wanted to ask both you and AW - something a good friend posed to me last night.

    Why is it that a a consensual yuri relationship is considerably less mainstream than the more dysfunctional yuri relationships?

    Would like to hear your thoughts.
  4. Last Sinner
    2014-03-08 21:29
    Last Sinner
    Brunhildyr PV

    Note the pink-haired side character. A friend of mine very fluent in Japanese told me last night he is certain that character is half-Australian.

    "Half osakan, half australian"
    "I don't speak german"
    "My specialty is HACKINGGU"


    He also pointed out nearly everything I want to watch in the coming season has a first time director....oh boy...


    Funnily enough, I bought a game on special 2 weeks ago that was exactly what you described. The woman in my avatar. Her name is Claret Spencer from a game called Skyborn. Made from RPG Maker. Basically, steam punk world ruled by a winged race that can't stand humans. Claret is a badass mechanic that ends up being caught in a plot to end their tyranny.

    The kind of tomboy I was keen on seeing was one that would hang out with the guys and the cute girls would all be ticked off by but eventually have crushes on her. Kind of a chill girl with some male tendencies/habits but still looks and acts female overall. Oh dear, the chances of that are virtually nil. That is a dream at best...

    Alright, technically that somewhat is Shiki from The Garden of Sinners, but...despite the success of that title, I don't think people relished those aspects of her. [They seem to mainly think of her as a tsundere and nothing more...zzzz...] Like Code Geass, I don't see what Nasu achieved with Shiki in The Garden of Sinners being done similar in any recent successful/popular titles. Which is weird since those were both darn successful titles. The things Madoka, the Monogataris, K-ON and the like did have been replicated. What is it about Code Geass and The Garden of Sinners that people in the industry are too chicken to try and do something like it? Hell, Code Geass had a tomboy too in Kallen, didn't it.

    Think I'll go through my stuff and see which series had tomboys I liked.

    Well, thanks for explaining Okada. I guess if those are the reasons, then I can understand. She still utterly creeps me out, though.


    As I was saying to AW, I'm very amazed that the people who rave on about White Album haven't even heard of The Ocean Waves. Because from the sound of it, The Ocean Waves treaded similar ground to White Album - 20 years prior. And I attest it is either my favourite Ghibli or 2nd fave Ghibli film now. Very close between that and Kiki's Delivery Service. The thing is with The Ocean Waves, you get the drama and the terrible decision making - but you get an ending with hope. That seems to be a big difference between it and White Album.
  5. Last Sinner
    2014-03-08 12:59
    Last Sinner
    Now I have to add this to the list of April shows to watch because darn - that's a good OP. It is a bit amusing to hear the Japanese parts get mangled by the American accent, but it's the best theme I've heard in a couple of years. Supposedly this one is the one getting the most hype in Japan for April. Might be justified. Might be...
  6. Last Sinner
    2014-03-08 05:39
    Last Sinner
    Sup.

    It's not like I have anything against cute, full stop. As I said with AW, there are times I like cute. I just don't like it when it becomes an entity that people believe is the only way and that it restricts what a female is allowed to be in creative media and in real life. People have the right to like cute - it's a legitimate preference, but it isn't the only one.

    Same goes for yuri. There are legitimately good cases of two females being able to love each other long term within a good story. There are also tragic tales that are worth reading. (If you've never read 12 Days, I think you'd be surprised by how good this account of a real story is.) I've seen how irked you've been in some posts about how trivialised yuri has been in recent times. I'm hoping this is the year attitudes become more accepting of yuri being able to be sensible since more yuri-ish titles are appearing in upcoming seasons of anime. Sakura Trick seems to have been relatively accepted. Middle of the pack in this season's sales is a reasonable outcome.

    Mind you, the fact nothing has blitzed the field when it's already March says something. I think the January 2014 didn't strike much of a chord with people. April seems to be quite loaded in comparison - in terms of potential. We all know how many times a good idea end up being poorly executed.

    I could really go for a decent tomboy character these days. Within the right context, of course. I'm sure there are ones out there, but not in shows I could watch. I always found Makoto the most intriguing of the Idolmaster girls from a glance, but as you well know, I can't handle anything with idols.

    I'm knocking you at all for your stance. Moe being divorced from reality is fine. But when moe becomes a permanent substitute for reality - that's taking it too far. Indulging in fantasy is fine as long as the delver doesn't abandon reality or force the tenets on fantasy onto real people. The notion of an ideal person will shoot down real people. But a proper character is supposed to have flaws of some kind. Nothing is perfect or pure.

    So what is it about Okada that gets people going? I find her creepy as heck - along with things that AW was implying.

    One thing in closing. They did a check on the developed world countries as to which has males doing the most and least housework. Norway's males came close to the women on average. Japan's men did the least. (Why am I not surprised!)
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  8. Hooves
    2014-02-28 09:02
    Hooves
    Loving your current avatar.
  9. 0utf0xZer0
    2014-02-26 03:25
    0utf0xZer0
    And in turn I'm not that surprised you suspected she was my favourite.

    The comparison with Rin and Hitagi is as much about personality as appearance. Between Rin and Hitagi, Satsuki reminds me a lot more of Hitagi - perhaps with a bit of Kamina thrown in. But I think all three are powerful, elegant and have a good mix of "calm and collected" and "fiery". I was also trying to hint- perhaps a bit too subtly - that these sorts of characters a) have a history of appearing alongside cuter characters and b) are probably liked by many of the same people who like those cute characters. Ie. my usual argument that fans have broader and more nuanced tastes than they're often given credit for.

    I do agree she's one of the most interesting and nuanced characters in the show.

    (Edit: obligatory moe analysis of Satsuki... I'm going to try running through about four different ways of defining moe here. 1) Bloom/"sparkle" (thank you Hanasaku Iroha!) definition: Yes. Wild Rose, anyone? 2) "Intense admiration" definition: Yes, even though she's kind of a fascist. That she's portrayed sympathetically helps here. 3) "Warm and fuzzy feeling" definition: Weak, she doesn't really have a warmer/cuter side like Rin and even Hitagi do. 4) Protective feelings/vulnerability definition: I'm inclined to say weak though this is tricky - she's has a tragic backstory, but she carries it so well that I don't end up feeling the same way as I do for say, Iriya or Kotomi.)

    (BTW, while she doesn't really watch KlK, my girlfriend likes Satsuki... my girlfriend's favourite older anime is probably Utena so that may explain part of the appeal.)

    By comparison, I find Ryuuko a little too "meatheaded" for my taste. Mako strikes me as similar to a character like Yui* - I like her as a comedic character, but not really my type. (*Actually, I think that if you dropped Eru from Hyouka in Kill la Kill, I think that - social status aside - the result would end up like Mako, but that end result is also more Yui than Eru.) And she actually faces some stiff competition from other KlK characters for the best comedic character spot - Gamagoori would be a definite contender, which might explain part of why people like to ship them.

    I like long straight hair though not to the extent that its occurrence on my favourites list would suggest. If I whip up a quick "top five waifu" list, you get Kuroneko, Hanekawa, Matsuri, Azusa (the K-On! one) and Horo. That's what... 60%? Maybe 70% if you give half credit for when Azusa has her hair down. However, I like Azusa and (assuming we're talking her season one look) Hanekawa's regular hairstyles a lot too. And outside that top five list, I also absolutely adore the way Zakuro in Otome Youkai Zakuro mixes twintails and ribbons while still striking an appropriate balance between cute and elegant for her character.

    Of the straight haired girls, I probably feel the most strongly about it in regards to Kuroneko. It's tricky to explain, but I supposed I could say she has such a strong "traditional Japanese beauty" look that it would be a shame for her to wear it any other way?

    (Wait... I just remembered that I also dig Zakuro with her hair down. Damn it.)
  10. 0utf0xZer0
    2014-02-25 02:22
    0utf0xZer0
    Finally got caught up with KlK - I've been watching that one with friends and we had about a four week gap in our regular screenings due to various circumstances.

    I'm curious as to whether you find my choice of favourite character surprising:
    http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...9&postcount=90

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    Comic book and Star Trek fan in my youth, pro wrestling fan for awhile, now mostly into anime
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    Pro Hockey (Habs fan), anime, sports games
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    Fate/Stay Night UBW 2015
    Hibike! Euphonium
    Houkago no Pleaides
    Knights of Sidonia Season 2
    Owari no Seraph
    Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid
    The Disappearance of Nagato Yuki-chan
    Show By Rock!!
    Etotama
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    All-Time Favorite - Madoka Magica
    Gateway Anime - El Hazard: The Magnificent World

    Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (all)
    Love Live!: School Idol Project
    The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya


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    Gurren Lagann
    Maria-sama ga Miteru
    Shirobako
    Clannad: After Story
    Saki (all)
    Shakugan no Shana (all)
    Steins;Gate
    True Tears
    Hyouka
    Tari Tari


    3rd Tier
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    K-On!!
    Sound! Euphonium
    Kill La Kill
    Tiger and Bunny
    To Aru Kagaku no Railgun S
    Mai HiME
    Ga-Rei Zero
    Fate/Zero
    Psycho-Pass
    Hanasaku Iroha
    Kanon (2006)
    Little Busters!
    Tamayura
    Sword Art Online
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