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2008-10-03 22:00KusajaEveryone seems to have more or less settled down by now...thankfully.
Come to think of it though, there's been surprisingly little talk about the second Picture Drama for R2, which came out a few days ago. Not that it tells us much about this subject, but...I'd expect more interest.
Then perhaps you could assume that means this was all for the sake of leaving the "shipping war" without a clear victor? Yes, I know it was never an "official" piece of information, so there's no obligation for anyone to address it, but if there's an opportunity to talk about the production process for the last few episodes that would make for an interesting sidenote from the staff.
Nodame? I've heard of that one...need to catch up and watch its first season already, which was pretty good as far as I can tell. Clannad is okay...well, I don't know, but I've always preferred the Full Metal Panic side of Kyoto Animation too, so I also hope we eventually get to see more of that instead of Key game adaptations ad infinitum. FMP usually has a good mix of comedy, drama, action and a bit of romance.
2008-10-03 21:59Dann of ThursdayAs do I. I think that would be a good end for her anyway.
Yes, I do believe it is the same one. I think that is Marianne's home though so it goes with C.C. that she would be there. Well, the way it is sitting where it is near the driver and how it flashes to the crane right after C.C.'s last line makes some believe that.
The very fact she was praying and also crying shows a dramatic change for her and there is a slight possibility that whatever wish or desire she was praying for may have come true, hence why she suddenly seems so happy in the ending. God owes Lelouch for stopping Ragnarok after all. Well, maybe not but you never know.
The King piece? It would depend on the context of it.
I rather hope they don't to be honest or even lean one way or another. I'm a bit curious what the majority opinion of the Japanese fanbase is though I am sure they are just as divided as we are. Yes, it would have given the original line. That is likely what makes many of them so mad about it. I remembered that. Narona seems a bit sad. I think she is convinced Lelouch died and that C.C. is all alone and will eventually forget Lelouch, shifting back to her old self. To be honest, that seems a rather poor way to end C.C.'s development over the whole series.
Yeah, thanks. It won't work though. Size is much too big and my internet will never let me finish a DD file that big. Thanks in any case though I really just want the one. I might. I only watched that. I never bothered with the main show. They busted into a cosmetics factory? Why? What would either of them want with cosmetics? They don't seem the type. I also heard there was some weird one where Lelouch had odd thoughts concerning C.C. cosplaying or something?
2008-10-03 09:01Dann of ThursdayThere are also the little time skips here and there that allow us to imagine what would happen. As long as they don't confirm Lelouch's death or other things then I could live with that, but perhaps some things like C.C.'s name and perhaps what happened to characters like Sayako and Li would be good.
Was it? I saw the same setting, but not her clearly.I'm not sure if that is exactly it since she didn't actually throw it in the show and I would have to wonder what that would mean at all. Some have taken it as a possible sign to Lelouch, but I don't know.
Well, there wouldn't have been enough time and I can't recall many times you see something like that happen in an anime ending. That's a possible interpretation as are many others. I like that one though.
Yes, it could have meant that completely. I think that was the last time we saw the king piece though it would have been interesting possibly to see it again.
Alright, I guess I understand that. It may be partially up to interpretation then since if you are a LXC fan and believe Lelouch is alive, you could imagine them being together now. I don't think they made it entirely clear at this point that either was the pairing for the show, but with the open ending I could imagine something eventually happening. Hmm, that's an interesting point and the term for love used by Kallen in the original was much too strong I think. And I have seen some of the reactions. I suppose it is sort of odd that her most important line was used there.
Listened? No, I can't find it anywhere. I've read the summaries though and I agree that it is absolutely hilarious if not a bit odd with the way some of them are acting. I miss the old banter back and forth. I like when he is a store clerk and when C.C. is a Kaitou. And don't you mean FMP? I don't think Fullmetal Alchemist (FMA) had a comedy series. I'm not sure whether I would want something like that or not.
2008-10-01 20:45Dann of Thursday1) Of course, maybe the lack of details is a good thing since the theories regarding Lelouch living involve assuming certain things. Concrete details would likely ruin it. Still, something like the origin of Geass wouldn't hurt.
2) It certainly is possible, though I worry greatly about what might be revealed if they covered something like that. I don't have a problem with them leaving it open.
3) I guess he did though I wonder if that might be a bad thing for some reason. I don't have much of a problem with that.
4) Or a Picture Drama possibly, but that makes me worry.
5) I agree that it just seems much simpler than Nunnally having some weird ability that comes out of no where.
6)His lack of appearence there makes me think he died, but the fact the mech is there could mean otherwise since I think Li is the only one who can really use the Shen Hu.
7)Well, those two couples weren't really delved into very much at all while OugixViletta was. It may be partly that they lacked time, but they never had much time in either season devoted to them.
8) Not really sure what Rivalz or Nina are doing though.
9) Hmm, I suppose that would work. His reaction to Zero made me laugh for some reason.
10) Oh, I meant the ending song where the last image they showed was the one of C.C. looking out over a hill.
Yes, you have a point there. I'm just fine with it being up to us in the end since it is clear that some people like to think he is alive while others seem to think he is dead. In the end, an open ending actually works out the best for everyone.
Yes, I agree. He would not be a part of anything anymore, but would truly be isolated with the possible exception of C.C. and perhaps Jeremiah. That could certainly be possible as well, though I think he would have revived within a day of being stabbed if he is immortal. What was done with his body is something to consider. I suppose it is possible that C.C. was not expecting to see him again, but I do wonder why she was praying.
I suppose that Lelouch was the only person to ever make her want to live, which seems rather evident by how much she seems to have changed from her contact with him. True, and she does seem to be doing all right now.
Hmm, always possible I guess. What about when Lelouch is giving his whole "World, obey me" speech? I thought I saw a weird image of the king piece with a red sky behind it.
As do I and I think that is an excellent point.
I find it funny that the pairing issue was never really addressed at all. In the end, it seems that LXK was probably the canon pairing of the show which many seem confident to believe. I could make some sort of case for C.C. based on how I view the ending, but it might be pointless.
2008-10-01 19:44KusajaOh, I felt pretty bad for the first day or two, which explains why I stopped posting. I needed to clear my head...but I'm accepting everything now. I completely agree with you, the epilogue could have been a little longer, and it makes little sense to waste a precious couple of minutes on the OP and ED credits. Unless there was some contractual obligation, but c'mon...
At least we can look forward to the Picture Dramas...but we'll have to wait until next year to see the last one, which could improve the epilogue a little bit.
Not me, that's for sure. You know, I have doubts, and I avoided that idea...but I've slowly come around to Koshimizu's point of view, because that's the only possible context where the original gum line makes some sense, without having to add any mysterious new scene.
Maybe the original line would have made Kallen look too jealous and frustrated, because of how strong "aishiteru" is and all, but it would also show us a little more about her thoughts (she would be questioning C.C.'s love and why she can stay with him, because Kallen herself still loves Lelouch yet is opposing him). Perhaps the idea was to reduce any possible romantic angst and, ironically, to make Kallen look more focused on stopping Lelouch and less on her feelings. I'd like to see some confirmation of the truth, but for now that looks possible.
I'm undecided if I'll stick around every week, but I may still watch the first episode to get a good idea of what general direction 00 is going to follow. I'll probably try to watch something else, old or new, at the same time...to cheer me up a little. I'm sure 00 will also give us plenty of angst, so some balance is necessary.
2008-09-29 11:13Dann of ThursdayVallen made two nice comparisons to King Arthur and an episode of Seinfeld that I thought lent well to the idea if Lelouch being alive if it is up to us.
Here's the King Arthur one:
"Did King Arthur die? Or does he live on in Avalon, waiting for a time when the world is in need of him again?
The choice is yours. I pick Avalon. "
What do you think?
2008-09-29 10:23Dann of ThursdayAfter a bit more time, I do like the ending a bit more though it does suffer from some shortcomings.
Lelouch: I agree with this completely since Lelouch was able to essentially accomplish what should have been impossible. Nunnally also isn't really depending on him anymore and is relying on herself more.
Suzaku: Well, he isn't entirely alone since I think Nunnally knows who he is. She would be the only person he could ever perhaps act like himself around and it would have to be in private. We do see that his perceptions have changed in that he is now living instead of trying to die like you said.
C.C.: Yes, I suppose this is true as well though if Lelouch is dead then she would really be alone and I can't help but wonder if after a long enough time she might fall into the same old habits and unfortunately it is likely he is dead. I think that the scene of her praying may have demonstrated something since for someone like her to actually pray and cry like she did I think shows a great change.
Kallen: She may never have recieved an answer directly from him, but I do think she realized his intentions for saying that as well as what he did. She seems to be doing all right in any case.
-Unless Taniguchi or Okouchi reveal some info through interviews, I doubt we'll ever know the whole story on Geass.
-This is certainly an odd one. There is a small possibility that we could see a Picture Drama that features the two of them, but I'm not sure. The lack of dealing with this is one of those little things that promote the idea Lelouch lived I suppose.
-Another odd thing and when you consider what the plan was and how C.C. must have known what it was, even having that promise seems odd.
-This one I just don't get though the last time we ever saw Lelouch and C.C. together on screen was 24 and he is the only one who knew her name. Maybe we'll see it revealed in an interview or something.
-This is another odd one. Now, we have seen that Nunnally seems able to discern whether people are telling the truth or not, but that seems to be when she holds their hand and has them answer a question. The case here is different of course. Now it could be that they are simply so close that she could see this or something of the sort. The other explanation is that he has a Code and we had what happened sometime with C.C. occur here though it was not the same as those times with C.C.
-This annoyed me very much. Li and Sayako simply vanished into thing air. Li I could possibly understand since he might be dead, but Sayako is simply confusing. We saw two pics of Gino with him at the wedding and him with Tian Zi. Maybe he is serving her or something or perhaps he decided to go back to Ashford since he seemed to enjoy it.
-There were other minor couples?
-Well, they seem to be doing alright either way.
-Yeah, this was sort of odd. Maybe he just accepted it or something?
-Well, I don't know.
-I agree. Waste of time as was the ending I think. I wonder why that image of C.C. was last.
Besides bringing better closure to her subplot in that it could resolve the contract, the promise, and perhaps give a bit more meaning to C.C.'s words at the end, I think that it sort of serves as punishment in its own way since he essentially is dead to the world and will watch over it as a sort of guardian. And it would make that line from S1 true then and I do like the idea personally. I don't think he can have both, though that would be interesting. And I guess some people think that if he had a Code, he would essentially be R.R.=R2 though I would think L.L. would make more sense.
I guess she is pretty close to it, but I'm still not sure if she was just talking to herself or not. Someone said she was speaking to Lelouch in the past tense. I'm not sure if that zoom really says anything. And what am I supposed to see? I'm not sure if they would do something like that since who would actually be able to see that clearly? Honestly, I want to believe he is alive but the evidence for it is rather slim. If they don't confirm he is dead then I suppose it can be open for us to choose.
Something I am curious about is what exactly C.C. was praying for. Was she praying for the plan to succeed? For some reason, that seems odd to me.
Yeah, I guess, but it still feels like she would be alone. Talking with Marianne didn't seem to help her much. I guess I just like the idea of him being alive. Would that make the sadness and pain Nunnally went through too cruel though?
I guess it was, but we thought it might have been something else. I don't know what could be behind the placement there.