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2014-03-11 09:46Last SinnerThe double-edged sword of NANA for me as that Hachi had to fall in order to become strong. I get why some women admire that. But it's also depressing - particularly for some men - when the female gravitates to the bad man even though she knows she shouldn't. Clearly there is truth ingrained in it. But like you said, if Takumi gets off lightly after everything he's done, I will be livid. At this rate, I hope Yazawa regains the ability to finish it - as well as want to. No josei/shoujo title has reached its heights in quite a while and the legacy it would leave could be telling for what comes after it. A bit of kudos for Yasu too would be nice - now there was one cool guy.
I dropped Blue Drop, Strawberry panic and KnM very quickly. As for School Days - never seen it, don't want to. I don't need a nice boat.
.hack//SIGN - Geez, I saw that back right when I started getting into anime proper. The thing I always felt was it started reasonably well and ended fairly well. But in between it was like one drawn out music video with no RPG action going on in an RPG. Tsukasa and Subaru - there was certainly quite a bond of trust between them. That ending was a bit lol but kind of appropriate - have to hand it to Subaru considering her IRL plight. The music in that title was astoundingly good - pity the show didn't back it up.
Just for a bit of thought - conversions from game to anime. You know how some characters get turned into something they're not for god knows what reason by the director or whatever? Kaede from Shuffle is a classic example. What the hell did they do to her...in the game, she was a wreck but she never resorted to being violent or crazy if she didn't win. It was as if the people adapting this thought Kaede being the main route was criminal and had to do everything possible to defile her. Have her attack Asa for Rin choosing Asa in the anime, then go have her make invisible dinners, hang out under bridges in the rain and make her look like a complete freak. That was never the point of Kaede! Kaede was once a bit of a loony - in her early childhood because Rin made up a lie about the reason her parents were going somewhere then died so that Kaede would focus her hate onto him instead of herself. Kaede then learnt the truth and spent her life atoning, damn it...She was as understanding and supportive as someone could be. As for her route in the game and any other route for that matter - Kaede's actual stance was 'Even if Rin loves me, I don't deserve to be with him for the terrible things I've done to him.' Rin then had to work damn hard to convince Kaede she was worthy of being loved. But, you know, that freaking director and his studio had to go and turn Kaede into something she wasn't for kicks...And it turns out there's a reason. You know what the director went on to do in 2011?! Mirai Nikki! Aka THAT title with THE most crazy, insane, twisted, evil girlfriend ever! Aka giver of Stockholm Syndrome and maximum carnage daily in Yuno! Yeah...a director who likes girls losing their mind over love...what a dickbrain...Hey, in the case of Yuno, it was sometimes amusing, albeit disturbing and then some. But in the case of Kaede and making her into something she's not...that's just despicable. He also helped Minami-ke lose its popularity after the glory of Season 1 by giving it sub-par treatment...what a prick...
There's another dickbrain to go with the KnM and SD scum.
2014-03-11 09:03Last SinnerHis gumption is high, but a few years ago, he lost the ability to finish everything, about 5 years after I lost. And he's been watching anime for over a decade longer than I have. I think Star Driver was the straw that broke the camel's back. The amount of people - especially fangirls - who claimed Star Driver was FABulous beyond belief and that it was the only reason needed to exist - ticked him off to no end. Recently he pointed out to me that Sunrise have become obsessed with overly dramatic wankfests in the aftermath of Code Geass. And I have to admit, the last five of so years of Sunrise have really made them decline in my eyes. But hey, when pure stupidity like Horizon gets made successful by obsessive fans, making insanity like that is justified.
As for Uchouten Kazoku - he quite likes the visual side of things. Visuals aren't he primarily looks for but I think it's the thing keeping him determined to finish it. It is the characters that are ruining it for him. And based on the small amount I saw of it before I dropped it - I agreed with him. But I feel his distaste and inability to care about them well exceeded mine. He's probably also determined to finish it because we both rate The Tatami Galaxy very highly, so both of us thought another title from the same author would likely be good. Wasn't the case for us.
The friendship between my mentor and I took a fair while to develop. Back when we starting crossing paths back when AJAS was actually a decent place and had a large number of people attending, he was already somewhat hardened and weathered. I can't really recall when I started approaching him since he'd decided to not be one of the active runners of things anymore at that point. What I do remember that back a decade ago - the things I was into early on were mainly terrible. And did he know it...I think from experience, he just took the approach 'he's new, in a couple of years, he will realise the downfalls and perils of the anime realm and begin to see things from a better perspective.' And he was right - a couple of years in or so, I certainly did realise most of what I had tried was terrible. There were still titles I did like, of course. It was probably around the point that I latched onto Paranoia Agent, Samurai Champloo and Genshiken S1 while they were airing that he thought 'he's beginning to go in the right direction.' I think we both felt somewhat gloomy in 2005 - in hindsight, it was an okay year, but things hadn't reached the point most titles were being made available to check out by today's usual methods. So the gems of around then weren't known to us. 2006 offered a mix of the good and bad - in hindsight, we've come to agree that 2006 was the last stand of the anime woman to quite an extent. Strong 'adult' females certainly declined in numbers post-2006 in favour of the teen version, or losing strength altogether. I think we began to speak more one-on-one around the time Code Geass was at its peak and The Garden of Sinners started appearing. The thing with him was, since he was the walking encyclopedia and would investigate almost any title, a good deal of people wanted part of his time. It wouldn't be until about sometime around 2009-2010 that he'd start making sure that I'd get a certain amount of his time no matter what. By then, other people were wearing him down hard and the people he knew from AJAS's golden years were virtually all gone to other places/things. Around then, I was as frustrated as he was with how much the signs of moe's impending empire in 2006 had taken root in 2009. So around that time, now that my gumption had been shot to pieces and titles we liked from a given season were beginning to coincide a good deal, he started making specific recommendations to start testing my boundaries. He felt life had shaped me enough/hardened me enough to be ready for the kind of titles and discussions he wouldn't bother to have with anyone else. Come 2011 and the retro year, I think we both had a revival since once certain guy compelled everyone to play old stuff once a month that year from across the decades, we both realised that with groups willing to chase after older titles, there was plenty for us to explore - or re-visit in his case. After that year, I think I've pretty much become his go-to person for someone to have a serious discussion with and to somehow find a title he either forgot or didn't notice at the time. Our views somewhat differ but we both have the appreciation of respecting what the other things and likes even if we always don't agree on specific titles. We generally agree on the basics and the state of the world and humans - if you've got that, you can get along long-term. I'm not sure how much longer he'll be alive since his physical state is terrible and has been for a long time. But it's been an honour to know him and be considered one of his friends.
2014-03-10 14:49Last SinnerJust finished watching Kemono no Souja Erin.
Very strong storytelling throughout. Decent visuals. Very unique, appropriate music. Character cast had a lot of depth and were intricately woven into that tale.
What brought it down for me a bit was - as you hinted - the overuse of flashbacks. But moreso, the 'general audience' factor. That made me able to see what was coming in the range of 5-10 episodes before it happened. There being no element of surprise or thrill was a bit of a downer. Episodes 42-45, I swear a lot of characters suddenly lost all rational thought in those episodes before magically getting it back.
However, for such an in-depth look at humanity in terms of culture, fear, reality vs dreams, daring to live/take the ultimate risk instead of stand and watch - very well done.
Doubt we'll have much company around here to discuss it. Still, thank you for getting me to watch it. It ranks somewhere around 20-25 on my all time list. Was nice to see something of that timepoint, style and genre work so well. Seirei no Moribito and 12 Kingdoms don't come anywhere near close to this. Also nice to know something can be pitched at an all-ages level and still be this good.
My mentor says he is going to make Erin his next watch and finish it this time. He definitely sounds like he needs it since his gumption way exceeds mine and he finishes almost anything he starts. Uchoten Kazoku has really been driving him around the bend.
2014-03-09 04:29Last SinnerAnd from a manga standpoint of decent yuri titles:
Girl Friends by Milk Morinaga - Like wow. Could this one have done a better job of making those two become friends, gradually accept the idea they both liked each other then find a way to be together long term?
12 Days - Guess this one slips under most peoples' radars since it's Korean. But for a one-volume story about a real life tragedy, it was so mature and just really said so much about people, prejudice and regret.
I Fell In Love For The First Time by Asagi Ryu - Adult woman and about to be adult girl suddenly get it on. They didn't necessarily know how or why, but they just knew after crossing paths enough times, that they simply had to be together. Not to mention one of my favourite moments in a yuri context. When the younger half of the pairing gets pressured by her peers about the rumour she's seeing an older woman, she just gets out her phone, shows a photo of them together and says 'This is her. I'm so lucky, aren't I?' And they just couldn't slam her at all for that. That's the kind of boldness I'd like to see more of.
Maka-Maka - Two female adults that remained best friends no matter what and engaged in casual sex/masturbation with each other whenever needed to cope with life. It was simple and believable. Not only was it the rarity of adults being sensible with normal aspriations and traits and not being utterly sex-crazed, they were openly and honestly depicted with the feelings and desires women have. How very damn rare.
I think it's as you say - so many people just can't handle the notion a woman doesn't want a guy's downstairs department or that they don't want to be mothers or a housewife. After all, Japanese men are the least willing in the world to do domestic chores while Japanese women do nearly the most in the world. Maybe this is why yaoi gets more relatively accepted - there's no threat to the guys while it's wish fulfillment for women.
There was actually one manga I did get in full that had a very unique twist on yaoi fandom. A 5 volume title called My Girlfriend's A Geek. Young adult male meets young adult woman at a part-time job. They become friends but he doesn't know enough about anime to see the flags that she's a fujioshi. So when he asks her to be his girlfriend, she seirously asks him 'Are you okay that I'm a fujioshi? Can you still want me as your girlfriend despite that?' What makes the guy such a champ is that despite not knowing it at the time then learning 'the hard way' after, he finds a way to make it work. He learns when to indulge her fetishes but gradually learns to tell her when she's going too far. And in the end, they become a functional couple. Like hell, how often is someone willing to allow someone with fetishes to be normal in other aspects and be able to find happiness in creative media? That one was a refreshing change for the notion that all fuijoshi are freaks. Yes, 'some' of them can be violent, pushy and forceful with what they want and how they treat others. But some of them are normal people who happen to like that material. It isn't a singular quality that defines a person. So sad people can't accept that.
2014-03-09 04:27Last SinnerI dropped Blue Drop so early - it seemed so damn weird/twisted. And you've explained why.
That's just one title though. There's more to discuss on the saner, 'it's a phase' and dysfunctional sides.
Seikon no Qwaser - Like honestly, who made this?! Who thought this was a good idea?! Yeah, I know it sold well in Japan, but it's a sick joke. Honestly, since when was women sexually assaulting other women in full public view on a regular basis seen as plausible let alone normal....this just offends me on every level. The fact 2 seasons of this bollocks got approved is an indictment on the anime industry and just showed what they were thinkings about females at the time.
Kannazuki no Miko - Oh, the amount of stupidity that goes on in this one. The flute scene alone is enough to show how twisted and scheming this one was. (Yes, I am forcefully going to take your virginity for your own good, because it's totally fine....no sane/logical person would think that...) Argh...to think this was once considered the bastion for yuri fans. Like, that is just chilling.
Strawberry Panic - Totally geared for the lols and mindless fanservice. No wonder I only ever heard self-admitted perverts champion this one.
It's a phase:
Yuruyuri - I wouldn't call this offensive per se. But this is so totally labelling girl-girl feelings as a phase and goes so far as to remove any threat to masculinitiy by putting them well out of an age range to be sought after in the first place. As well as tickle the fancy of closet lolis. Lord knows I heard too many people locally rave on/say things about this title I never wanted to hear. Again, that it was a 2 seasoner confounds me. I know some people - some of them females, which is their choice - like this one. I just find it all watered down and trivialised.
Candy Boy - Oh christ....yeah, let's get some teen incest going to bastardise yuri even more as a phase thing. No one could possibly take this one seriously or be threatened by it.
Simoun - A society where people are all female until 17 then get to choose their gender. What a daring and well-constructed world to go with that. And I'm sure so many people resented it for being so.
Aoi Hana - Somewhat dramatic yet so gorgeous and definitely put the two leads through the blender at times. That it valued friendship as much as it did being in love was critical to its goodness.
Marimite - Well, here's something bound to flick the hate switches of so many people. Not only a bunch of females clearly going beyond friends, but within a Christian school that isn't being demonised either! So devoid of hate and discrimination. Like honestly, the fact this show came to pass and had FOUR seasons is a miracle of the better kind. It's enough to think there is some good in humanity - maybe.
Kashimashi - It was a bit silly but once things got going a bit, it was somewhat serious. Choosing between the person who's always been there for you and the person that suddenly goes crazy over you - a fair dilemma. Manga ended it better though.
Sakura Trick - And this just takes it lightly. They didn't necessarily want to go the distance for life. They wanted to be able to make some good memories and stay friends. I'm sure the sometimes excessive service is perhaps more of the reason this show gets attention. But...the fact it's able to portray the girls involved as rather sane in comparison to some of the stupidity we've discussed is quite refreshing.
2014-03-09 00:14Last SinnerA question I wanted to ask both you and R3 - something a good friend posed to me last night.
Why is it that a a consensual yuri relationship is considerably less mainstream than the more dysfunctional yuri relationships?
Would like to hear your thoughts.
2014-03-07 21:58Last SinnerThe perils of cauling a guy cute/pretty. But I get your point.
I don't mind a bit of cute now and then, but...the degree of sugar/detachment from reality I can take is only so much and is lessened because of what happened IRL the last few years. Something like The Ambition of Oda Nobuna I can enjoy because while cute, it's still darn fun, thrilling, actiony and sometimes bloody. And as for something like Bunny Drop, Rin is just too darn nice to deny.
But when I see the umpteenth incarnation of a VN or yet another high school flake out or another teen angst fest, it just falls flat. My friends regularly claim one thing getting in the way of them liking titles lately is the homogenous nature of the art and the character styles.
Paranoia Agent is win. Any Satoshi Kon title is win. The man was one of the few creators I truly admired. His death was crushing for me. It is also disheartening The Dream Machine will probably never be animated. Paranoia Agent was sheer genius.
Oh, I have a fair idea of why those clowns are so offended by yuri. It's hilarious that these clowns were able to watch Junjou Romantica, Free and the like. Yet if someone mentions Marimite, Aoi Hana, Sakura Trick - they're up in arms. I think it comes down to the nature of those titles. The titles with implied yaoi have no requirement to be serious. They can laugh and joke and squirm all they want. Then when it's yuri time, suddenly the possibility of a serious relationship is present and they can't be laughing their face off. So much yuri-ish titles from a decade ago were very jovial/it's a teenage thing and in recent times, stuff like Yuruyuri treated it in a similar fashion. Now that there are authors willing to write yuri from the perspective of being lovers intent in spending their lives together, it probably contradicts what they perceive yuri to be and seems impossible for them. And yeah, these were people that either need bloodlust or tryptophan level of slice of life cuteness. So when it's neither, it's probably the end of the world as they know it. I'm sure the downstairs department is a factor as well.
And there are good authors out there for yuri. Milk Morinaga, Asagi Ryu, Saburo Uta, Rokuroichi - just to name a few. But since the more primal/simple reactions are what people seem to want more, I guess material by these authors goes over the heads of too many.
Well, I did see Kaiji like that, but most people I knew watched it solely for the deaths and seeing Kaiji's endless struggle. And lately I've learned that people from anywhere seem to mainly view The Garden of Sinners as a supernatural thriller whereas I saw it as an exploration of morality, viewers being forced to pick a side, but most of all, how and why the human spirit endures through the depths of hell and comes out relatively intact. But I get the feeling most people just wanted to see Shiki and other people fight it up, which just completely misses what Nasu does when he writes. He's creating worlds were you can't have your thrill without a prick of conscience or feeling empathy for those involved. Or at least that's what he intended - I've found things tend to be far simpler and more primal for many than it is for me. Perhaps that's why Attack on Titan and Psycho Pass flicked the switches of so many people last year. I'm not the type that gets something out of watching the world burn. If people attest that there is beauty amidst destruction of a society/town/person a la Fate/Zero or Psycho Pass, I'd say that The Dark Knight did a far better job. Or in an anime context, Le Chevalier D'Eon. From a game context, the dual punch of Analogue: A Hate Story and Hate Plus are superior in terms of a context not too far removed from anime. In terms of being more in line with reality, Spec Ops: The Line is the king of them all in the game realm.
I think the in-fighting goes both ways. Champions of the old school claim that everything is the same now and that nothing innovative or with a proper story can be found anymore. While new genners will often refute the notion that anything can be good on the basis that if the art style isn't modern, it automatically has to be bad. There's ignorance and elitism from both sides. There were always many bad titles in both times. There were also good titles to be found in either time. But good luck trying to get people to believe that.
What you say about Kaiji, the nature of humanity can somewhat be found in Tool - Vicarious.
Pity we're an ocean apart. I'm sure the convener of AVCON would have asked you to do a panel with me and let loose some stuff on screenings and the quiz night too.
2014-03-07 19:04Last SinnerAnd let me get another thing straight - I am well beyond seeking to fix the ills of the world. There is only so much one person can do amidst a world of over seven billion people. Humanity will not get along in general anytime soon. As long as I have a few people I can trust and find enough things to find respite in to get through a day, that's all I need. I don't care what other people think anymore. As long as they're not breaking the law or making someone else's life worse, they can do whatever they want.
And I have no interest in inflicting pain on others. Ultimately my success in life will hinder those of others, but so be it. That is an inevitabilitiy of success and survival. But I have no interest in vicarious thrills. I just want to get through my days with a few things I can still enjoy or find solace in. I don't need approval.
Fire away at me more if you think it justified. Just get where I'm coming from and why. Understand what my original statement truly means and how it relates to what I said about romance to boot. I can't believe in something supposedly innocent or pure, because nothing is. I need to know someone else is tainted before I can believe in them and I'm more than willing to accept their flaws within reason. Cute ends up being a veil to mask those flaws - so I can't trust it.
Just remember one thing. Female characters comprise nearly all of those I find believable and well-constructed. I can't even name ten male characters I think are good after watching anime for over a decade. And in reality, I trust men less.
2014-03-07 19:02Last SinnerYou've hell misinterpreted it....or maybe I rephrased it wrong big time at the start.
I said I couldn't believe in cute....How the hell does that mean I can't believe any females full stop....
Fine, you want reasons? I'll give you some damn reasons.
There were two young women that stayed here last year. They both acted like princesses, spoke down to everyone, talked about nothing about wanting to look pretty and how much they hated other people (the middle eastern one would never shut up about how she hated Asians, for the record since she automatically assumed all Asians hated Middle Eastern people). They would never do a single thing to help out. Most outings we went on became dramas for no tangible reason. All this despite the fact my mother and myself went well out of our way to make sure they were comfortable and got used to living in a different country.
And what did they do in return? Lie about the both of us to whoever they could on top of trying to split my mother and I apart...Let's just say after believing their lies for a short while, my mother saw the truth and they both had to leave in shame, admitting they were wrong and losing the biggest source of support they had when they came over here. My mother and I have been much closer since and she herself has sworn she isn't letting women lodge here anymore. Now don't imply anything about her - nearly all her actual friends are female and she has been done wrong by men in the workplace and my worthless father. She simply has now been burnt by women too much lately. So we took some young men in this year. And thus far, they've been polite, helpful and nice people. (And ironically...all Asian.)
Here's another big incident that irks me permanently. The woman who was married to my uncle. She acted all cutesy and bubbly all the time. And then last year, my uncle walks in on her sleeping with another guy. So what does she do? She initiates a bitter divorce and takes everything except the house. Including the custody of their daughter, who my uncle now only gets to see once a month. You know what his daughter is doing now? Attempting suicide...at eight years old!!! Yeah, that cutesy bitch drove her own daughter into despair and is merely a toy to how manipulative and cheating she is. Thankfully, my uncle found someone else he could trust in a relationship, but saving his only child might be impossible.
You want more reasons? Remember the club I used to attend? They mainly watch pure moe stuff now. And if it's not that, it's pure violence. That wasn't the sole reason I left. It was because the president's girlfriend got felt up then stalked by one of the regular attendees. And what did that club do? They backed up the guy who did that to her and told me to get stuffed. Along with saying that female characters were only capable of being moe or cold-blooded like Revy from Black Lagoon. That anything involving highbrow or yuri was pure trash and sexist towards them. I don't regret leaving one bit. Cute has warped them to hell.
And don't get me started on how many people I know/used to know who now constantly spout that if a woman isn't cute, she isn't worth it. Or that if a title isn't cute, it can't be good.
Cute is a legitimate style/point of view. It isn't the only legitimate one.
I'll take five minutes of Christine Love's writing of the dual sides of females over the overrated gluttony of cute any day. Funnily enough, Christine Love is able to use cute in her work. But she doesn't pretend that cute is pure and ever-loving for one second. She readily treads into the mysogny that exists within both genders - repeat, BOTH genders - along with the reasons people end up hating each other, while mixing in some yuri since it is something she likes to indulge in. But ultimately in her works, hate eventually leads to love. I find it sad you forget that I even mentioned her when Analogue: A Hate Story and Hate Plus were on sale a few weeks ago. Cute is legit when within context and reason.
And for the record, I think worse of men than I do of women. Trust me....Women may have done me wrong, but at least they haven't attempted murder, assault, eternal racism and the like on me. Because men certainly have.
But let me get one thing straight - I haven't given up. Last year went somewhat well and this year is going better. I haven't thrown in the towel by any means.
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