This episode was quite annoying, because Lelouch is the main character and his actions are the most interesting, but we see more and more about his friend.
It is fairly borring seeing the third time when Lelouch went easy on Suzaku. He is his friend but is he retarded? Only four episodes left and I don't see clear resolution to the whole story. I have to admit that Suzaku's feelings and thoughts were clarified, but Lelouch is still in mess. He doesn't know where he stands. I wonder which girl will help him:) Most likely C.C. since she has got his own problems. Does anyone have any good reasons why Lelouch saved Suzaku? For me it was just to improve action nothing more. |
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-if Lelouch just killed Suzaku, there wouldn't be any drama=GSD kira lameness. :\ -Lelouch basically saves Suzaku because it's becoming increasingly clear he still has a heart. that's going to screw him...badly...and no doubt very soon. -anyway, I suspect this will be the last of the "Lelouch isn't the protagonist" episodes (other two being Suzaku taking the lead in 5, and Kallen in 9, vs. Euphie in this one). it's Lelouch in the drivers seat of horrible suffering from now on, so no need to worry....err, kinda. :uhoh: |
There's a second season.
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And initially, I felt that this was going to be Lelouch's show as well, but it's beginning to even out. However, the focus is still on Lelouch and his Order; the other characters need screen time for development and we the viewers need to be informed of what's going on both sides of the war. |
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This episode is Euphie Centered well.. having a story center on girls is nice, however this episode is litterally refering to her thought of being weak and such, I hate hearing girls bashing herself especially if its the character I have no interest in. I personally finds her conversation with Nina a waste of time, but before you go boozoo on me here, let me explain why I think its a waste of time. Firstly the conversation is lame. I know its for plot development, but hello... how many times have you hear this dialogue where you have 2 girls who hate herself talking to one another.. but I have seen plenty... Secondly the fact that Euphie just REALIZED~ her true feeling when Nina mentioned Susaku name is just weird, but worse she ran off and do a confession over a radio communication. It was out of nowhere, and it doesn't flow. You will really get what I mean if the translation is out. The lameness doesn't end there. Suddenly when Susaku is about to die, Our hero comes and save the day. They both "co-operate" (race) with one another and finally punish the bad guys army. hmmm I can't think of other way to described this other than its lame... Where is Lulu's determination in this? One of the reason I enjoy CG is that, it sticks to the point. This episode totally takes us out there. I know Euphie is his sis and Susaku is his friend... but do they really need the whole episode for this? Given that we are squeezing materials in other episode like hell (eg. ep17+), why do we bother having this episode... There is a tiny bit of Lulu declaring his true aim, but the hell.... it even seems like they put in this fake japan army just to have Euphie and Susaku confess to one another and nothing to do with anything else... Main points of this episode yep, this is the main point of this episode... the reason why I believe they have to put this episode on.. - To compensate Susaku x Euphie, since they don't have enough of each other - To show flying lancelot - To show CC flight suit. (which is like 2 sec) See the list, you can totally cut this episode out!! or just merge it into other episode.. compare to other episode I consider this episode a total filler, that's why its bad. Side note: You suppose to ignore whats said below here, its just sub conscious feeling that shouldn't be discussed. Spoiler:
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Will there be more seasons?
Yeah, I hope Lelouch will suffer. I can't stand him, he is the most idealistic person in the whole seires. It was said that Suzaku was the most rightous person, but he just wanted to forget about the past. Lelouch dosen't have enough power to defeat Britain, if there won't be more than 24 episodes he will be killed shortly. I don't see any difference in relationship between Lelouch and Suzaku. Lelouch still won't kill him. Suzaku will try to kill Lelouch in spite of the fact that he was saved by him coutless time. At last his Lancelot isn't invincible (thanks to new model of mechs) so his character won't play so important part in the show. It was very stupid when he all alone defeated everyone. |
I don't really believe this episode is as simple as having extra visuals.
They've introduced another factor to the war: the Chinese Federation. There have only been sparse mentions of their nation and now we see that they are not sitting idly by. I doubt this is the last mention of the Chinese, and there could potentially be more characters waiting for us in the second season. I'll agree, I can't seem to rationalize the whole revelation of Euphemia's feelings and how she spontaneously revealed those feelings to Suzaku. The timing is really off as well (although it typically happens in romances where the 'hero' is about to die, or the hero and his lover are about to die). Quote:
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I'm hoping that Lelouch's plan to establish his own state in Tokyo falls apart. I love his character, but to make Japan the 'heard of the world' seems a bit too much like nationalistic wankage. I'd love for him to eventually move on out of Japan, taking some components of the Black Knights (mainly Kallen--everyone else can crawl into a hole and die, except for Ougi, who'll crawl in there with Villeta and make mad love), and wage war on Britannia, CF, and the EU. Epic, and ultimately hopeless. Tragic endings ftw.
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and as for Suzaku being able to beat everyone, the protagonists side always has to have military power less than or equal to the antagonists. this is why Schniezel's knights are coming into the story soon. with only Suzaku as a face early in the season, it made sense he would be able to beat everyone on Lelouch's side. of course, once Cornelia showed up, he became defeatable. (Kallen and her Guren) it's just the way things go. |
We already know Suzaku has put himself into a hole... but so has Lelouch.
Lelouch's goal is to topple his father's empire, but the people that he has sided with can only take him so far. He had to convince them that he would help them achieve autonomy for their nation, but as soon as he achieves that, he'll have to convince them more to keep them in his fight. No doubt though, his reputation will draw massive amounts of attention from nations that want to take down the Britannian empire (for safety and for their own power). |
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the second the Chinese seized Kyuushuu under the name of 'Japan', what did Britannia do? they went right in there to destroy the Chinese forces and eliminate/capture Sawasaki. even if Cornelia/Schniezel suffers a defeat, it's not like the dozen+ other royal family members aren't going to come after them, or Wakamoto's own forces. convincing the Order/Japan to keep fighting will probably be easier than you think: probably only an episode's worth of indecision and political maneuvering. |
I wont say I want him to 'suffer', but rather 'struggle' is a better word.
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But honestly though, how could anyone who have watched this NOT know that Suzaku STILL doesn't know who Zero is? And to think they could act all high-and-mighty... Actually, I'm starting to think that Suzaku doesn't have the intention of killing Zero. Sure he has no problem beating him up silly, but to shoot him himself? Of course, it's different during episode 18 where he held him hostage, but that was because he was ordered to, and unlike episode 1 to him Zero is a murderer so he won't feel too guilty about it. As for why he could kill his father (though I won't call it 'with ease'), well it was a long time ago when he was young, so alot of things probably wouldn't occur to him. |
Suzaku is ignorant to say the least. He wasn't given the gift of insight :( for good reasons albeit, as Lelouch wasn't given agility or strength. But even I in his position can't possibly draw the conclusion that Zero is Lelouch. We can see that connection, therefore, we might assume that we can easily identify Zero as Lelouch, but in 'reality', the Lelouch he knows is a calm and supportive friend. And I suppose it should have been rather clear by the time that Lelouch mentioned Prime Minister Kururugi's murder, but Suzaku is still too enraptured with his father's murder (why oh why?).
I don't know what the hell is wrong with Suzaku but I can understand why Lelouch won't kill Suzaku. I suppose Suzaku doesn't see Zero as a figurehead of the rebellion (even if the title is ironically then Lelouch of the Rebellion). Suzaku is more of a fool now than he was at a kid. At least back then, he could see the consequences easily - submission or defeat. Now, everything's just a puzzle. |
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in the end, Suzaku probably can't kill Zero because he equates Zero with his father. and so this time he's going to "do the right thing" by capturing Zero for trial instead of killing, like what he did with genbu. anyway, Suzaku seemed a little less high and mighty this week, so we're probably going to need another death or something soon to drive Suzaku into crazy hate land again. (maybe Lelouch too) :eyespin: |
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Exactly, that's why for once I didn't feel like choking Suzaku! ;) That by itself makes the episode amazing! ...Well, that as well as Lelouch and C.C sitting in the cockpit, K-I-.... |
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I think this episode is a bit too hasty...
I hope they will slow down the pace a bit, I don't want another GSD ending all over again -.- I quite like the character development of Lulu, Suzaku and Euphie...so far they are reasonable realistic. If only they let the events take some time to sink in, the episode would deliever more impacts. Also, for the next episode, I will cry for Orange-kun. *Sighs* poor bastard. |
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