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Kingdom geass
2008-04-20 19:13
I dont understand what really rollo is. DOes he know hes not his brother. and y is he so protective of the locket?
DJ_RockmanX
2008-04-20 19:28
Regarding Rollo and his Geass power:
I believe that we should categorize it as a mind stop ability. His power does not stop time within this radius, which can be shown by the water that continues to flow in the scene in episode 3.
If I was to compare it to any weapon, I'd call it an EMP for the mind.
coba
2008-04-20 19:31
I am guessing that Rollo is probably an orphan (just like Mao) or a clone who nobody cares. I believe he really yearns family. That's why he really protect that locket since it is probably the first time someone gave him a birthday present. That will ikely become the reason why he will help Lelouch in the end considering that Lulu (in the past one tear) is probably the first person who "cares" for him.
Meatrose
2008-04-20 19:38
Yup, an "EMP for the mind" would probably be a rather accurate description. The scene where he disappears in front of Kallen and Urabe doesn't seem to add up though. I almost think that they made a mistake in that scene. Time is obviously not frozen when Rolo does his thing. We, the viewers, were also "affected" by his Geass in Turn 2 when it looked as if he teleported himself and his Vincent in order to get past his attackers and end up standing in front of Lelouch. Both Kallen and Urabe should have "teleported" as well since they were moving at high speed when it happened.
Rena Ryuuguu
2008-04-20 19:44
*jumps up and down*
Rollos character thread is open :D
he is my fav. character besides Lelouch and C.C
DJ_RockmanX
2008-04-20 19:46
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meatrose
(Post 1548739)
Yup, an "EMP for the mind" would probably be a rather accurate description. The scene where he disappears in front of Kallen and Urabe doesn't seem to add up though. I almost think that they made a mistake in that scene. Time is obviously not frozen when Rolo does his thing. We, the viewers, were also "affected" by his Geass in Turn 2 when it looked as if he teleported himself and his Vincent in order to get past his attackers and end up standing in front of Lelouch. Both Kallen and Urabe should have "teleported" as well since they were moving at high speed when it happened.
Well they wouldn't have to be teleported or anything at all, since they're inside their Knightmares. Those things would still be moving, even if their pilots are mentally not there for a few seconds.
Meatrose
2008-04-20 19:48
Yeah, that was my point. Their KMFs would've kept moving during the time we were Geassed and it would've seemed as if they also teleported.
ashlay
2008-04-20 19:48
So Rollo's severely messed up in the head and has abandonment issues and an inferiority complex towards Nunnally and doesn't care at all about human life in general.
And the workings of his geass are confusing because of protrayals in episodes 27 and 28.
I don't think this is a particularly interesting discussion until we get into what those shots of Rollo at ages 6 and 10 were all about though. Without motivation, this is in many ways all mere speculation. :\
Hypothetically, if the Geass is restricted to abilities only able to manipulate the mind, then it's likely the knightmares weren't stopped at all. Because if Rollo did deflect both of Urabe's and Kallen's attack, which I doubt he did and simply charged forward, then I suspect their mobile suits wouldn't have continued with their current momentum. Since their momentum didn't stop, I would think Rollo simply charged forward given the gap made by Urabe and Kallen.
But the real question is what's the limit to Rollo's Geass? So far we know it has an "EMP" effect range, which to me looks like the size of a regular track and field course.
The sentimental value Rollo has with the locket is something I can't really put a finger on. I'll probably post my thoughts of it when I think of more later.
CharlesDiBritannia
2008-04-20 20:03
That is SOOOOO CUUUUUTE!
katel
2008-04-20 20:09
his piloting skills are superior to suzakus.
he has geass.
first v.v. next rollo. then what? superman?
this is getting annoying.
Triple_R
2008-04-20 20:25
Good Black Ops antagonist/undercover agent with a very potent super-power.
That's really all I can say about Rollo so far, after watching 3 episodes of Season 3.
Narona
2008-04-20 20:34
Quote:
Originally Posted by coba
(Post 1548727)
I believe he really yearns family. That's why he really protect that locket since it is probably the first time someone gave him a birthday present. That will ikely become the reason why he will help Lelouch in the end considering that Lulu (in the past one tear) is probably the first person who "cares" for him.
Since he seems to react when the words "Family" and "Birthday" are pronounced, I agree with you :)
I like that part of him.
But beside that, I dislike the fact that he doesn't mind killing people :/
Peachys
2008-04-20 20:38
Oh, i posted in Episode 3 thread, should have figured a Rollo's Geass speculation thread would be best in this one.
Neways original post is what follows - spoiler to make it easier to navigate.
Spoiler for Not a Spoiler, Just Huge Text for Speculation for Rollo's Geass:
Hmm, speculation on Rollo's geass seems to be the fun part for now ~ how bout this
- so far its a speculation of "time freeze" vs "mind stop" physics vs neurobiology
Ok so far from what we have seen, Lelouch/Emperor/Mao's geass its been
- Absolute command, messages sent to the brain to give a particular response
- Writing / Re-writing of memories + erase
- Ability to hear "thoughts" of people around
So given so far all geass has been mind stuff, Rollo's being "mind stop" would be most plausible.
But just stating those is not enough of course, lets give "mind stop" a better description, and apply it to the 2 examples used by people in this forums thus far (EP 2, Vincent vs Gekka + Guren and the newly EP 3, Rollo vs Random Informant + Viletta)
Firstly "mind stop" with just rough basics of human neurobio, theres these events that are important:
Sensory receptors neurons: Include visual, auditory, taste (senses) etc where one recieves information from outside world, which travel from sensory to CNS
CNS- Central nervous system, lets just put the brain there to make it simple, this is where information is sent to from Sensory receptors, and is the place where information is processed, stored, and many other functions. This is where you send information out as well, give commands to motor cells for example, to move.
Motor neurons - these motor cells recieve infromation to do motor type of actions, move a leg, arm etc.
Ok with these basics lets do a quick lesson on how things work:
Example you see a bear, then run.
First information through visual light are sent from the bear to your eyes(visual receptors), visual receptors send information along neruons to CNS. CNS recieves information and process (this is when you actually "see" the bear), gives emergency command to run, sends information out. Command information is sent out to leg motor cells, activating and causing them to move and run away.
That being all said. Rollo's "mind stop" is most likely a FREEZE (stop) of INFORMATION at the CNS (brain/ mind) meaning, if rollo geassed you when you looked at the bear, information sent from visual receptors, go to CNS, but then it waits outside, CNS is frozen doesnt let anythign in or out as a result body is currently frozen, theres no thought or anything, geass wears off, information follows through as normal.
How about we apply this to the 2 episodes.
Rollo applies geass at start of Guren's + Gekka rush attack (lets say right when they step on accelerator)
Geass wears off (VERY SOON AFTER) it doesnt have to be long, this is when you hear Urabe say "Too slow!" and see Gekka swing the sword down at an image/afterimage of the vincent as well as hault.
So does the "mind stop" theory work? consider , Kallen and Urabe and Lelouch and OUR EYES(audience eyes, ill clarify) are affected by Rollo's geass at point i stated earlier.
- Visual information of Vincent standing there are being sent to Visual receptors sending information that it is standing at that position to CNS, CNS is blocked however, that information is waiting outside. This point in time, Kallen / Urabe are not moving in their mechs which are still accelerating (command to move forward given to mech was done earlier) sword stance/ attack stances remain same (this state of being does not last long)
Vincent moves out of the way, towards Lelouch (geass freeze is still on), only thing moving are mechs accelerating towards Vincent's old spot.
Ok the visual information on Vincent standing is waiting outside the CNS right? Give few seconds (their time) Geass is OFF, old information is reaching into CNS, CNS for Kallen and Urabe is now still seeing Vincent at same spot. Their CNS, brain, send commands, to cut, slow down etc, and it goes to motor receptors, and act follows.
HOWEVER once the geass went off, new visual information is also being sent to visual receptors, and sent to CNS. These visual information show nothing there, so Kallen, and Urabe brain is also after a bit of time is showing BOTH the image of Vincent being there, and it not being there, thus the Blinking after image of the mech.
What about our eyes? In this scene the producers also wanted to stimulate the effect as if we were to be affected by his geass thus, also showing us what urabe / kallen were experiencing, and thus following the explanation thus far, it should work out (make sense). Why do i bother pointing that out? Because it is a difference case in the other Scene, that is Episode 3, Vilette + Random Infomant
This case, we clearly see that when Rollo uses geass, water is still moving within the radius + vilette's hair is still moving, thus making time freeze highly unlikely. There is no need to guess when he uses geass, and when it wears off either as its clearly stated. The only difference in this scene is that we the audience sees the geass in the aspect of Rollo this time, we are "not affected per se" and are able to see his movements to kill the random informant and thus is saying visual information from the seen is proceeding normally to our CNS, thus we see his clear movements, unlike if we were to be affected, then instead we would see would be a teleportation from once place to the other, like in EP 2.
Thus noting, I should probably include some other points that people would bring up, such as how did he survive that explosion when Urabe did that move? if Rollo didnt freeze time.
Although this argument is weak, its probably an easy thing for a Lancealot(god-mode mech) protoype be heavy armored and such, thus able to absorbed an explosion, actually besides foot soilder mechs, the main character ones always seem to be quite sturdy, thus this explanation is probably just as good as time freeze, + given the explanantion for "mind freeze" instead, probably better to place your bet on "Mind freeze + Strong lancealot prototype" than on "Time freeze, with the exception of gravity -_- argument"
As for possibly, why did the Vincent bother "teleporting" or rather "moving" to the side using geass even though he simply absorbed explosion damage. Simple speculations could simply be, how about an element of surprise -By freezing the mind + moving away)(move to lelouche's side for an attack) this would be offensive way OR how about freezing the mind to stop any further attacks at the explosion and get to the side for safety (defensive) . this explanation would be to the effect that incase Lelouche or anyone else would add extra shots into the general area he was, so for safety he would geass, freeze, and move to safety.
Hopefully this post is able to give one speculation of how Rollo's geass works, :3
Im actually surprised people here already considered the mind stop over time freeze. and the whole audience is geassed
Hmm good point on the fact that we should see teleportation of the Guren / Gekka rush if we were to be totaly "geassed", dont think I can come up with an explanation for that one either >_>
Newho - Speculation on limitations:
For now ill place my bets on a Usage limitation with a cooldown factor
like he can either use it for very short intervals several times (instances in EP 2, to "teleport" and confuse) + limitation on # of uses seen as he didnt just get out of the way immediately when urabe blocked his attack
or use it once with a long interval (to hold the informant in place to get the kill, short intervals wouldnt work in this case, needed the guy standing still)
Anywas, speculation is fun :3
hamstar
2008-04-20 20:50
mind EMP is definately possible but lulu said "he stopped time" which is probably how the CG staff is trying to explain it to us.
Does anyone else think rollo is gay? He acts like lulu is more than someone he's just spying on... i think he has feelings for him.
Rena Ryuuguu
2008-04-20 20:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by hamstar
(Post 1548881)
mind EMP is definately possible but lulu said "he stopped time" which is probably how the CG staff is trying to explain it to us.
Does anyone else think rollo is gay? He acts like lulu is more than someone he's just spying on... i think he has feelings for him.
Sure that's why he ( seemed apparently) try to kill Lelouch ;)
Dann of Thursday
2008-04-20 20:58
I don't think Lelouch's explanation is supposed to mean anything. I mean, to him it must have seem like time stopped with the gun missing and Rollo right behind him.
Rena Ryuuguu
2008-04-20 21:00
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday
(Post 1548903)
I don't think Lelouch's explanation is supposed to mean anything. I mean, to him it must have seem like time stopped with the gun missing and Rollo right behind him.
I agree with you
Triple_R
2008-04-20 21:01
Quote:
Originally Posted by hamstar
(Post 1548881)
mind EMP is definately possible but lulu said "he stopped time" which is probably how the CG staff is trying to explain it to us.
Does anyone else think rollo is gay? He acts like lulu is more than someone he's just spying on... i think he has feelings for him.
It never occurred to me, but now that you mention it...
Rollo did seem to value that locket quite a bit. I was thinking that it was because it was an important piece of spy machinery (or such machinery was put into the locket), but you never know.
Peachys
2008-04-20 21:03
Nah, Lelouch's saying "he stopped time" would be their way of having him give a quick explanation for the geass. once Lelouch somehow gets out of the current situation and (maybe) get Rolo on his side, or something to that affect, Lelouch would think about it with his brain (as he normally does) and go like "Oh it is not time!" "its in the head" or whatever.. :3
Hmm, probably tramatizing past, dont think hes gay as much so as the need and attatchment to somebody, family most likely given key ideas and words, Brother (family in general), and Birthday seems to affect him alot. The love is more of a platonic, or rather brotherly. That point is pretty obvious.
Only part im having trouble on atm is Rolo's split between wanting to "kill" or get rid of zero and whatnot due to probably duty but then not wanting Lelouch to be zero, which he knows for a fact in the back of his head, and definately by ep3, and was constantly trying to convince himself otherwise, even tho hes already positive on the matter. Its just their way to having a "messed" up, tramatized child with power, and is hopefuly gona be cleared up at the start of EP 4! :3
ashlay
2008-04-20 21:05
Quote:
Originally Posted by hamstar
(Post 1548881)
mind EMP is definately possible but lulu said "he stopped time" which is probably how the CG staff is trying to explain it to us.
Does anyone else think rollo is gay? He acts like lulu is more than someone he's just spying on... i think he has feelings for him.
Rollo seems far too childish to have any concept of anything related to sexuality at this point. His reaction to Lelouch, especially at the locket thing, seems far more like that of a child to a parent.
ApostleOfGod
2008-04-20 22:45
Lol. Rolo, two words.
NO HOMO.
KrimzonStriker
2008-04-20 22:51
I agree, as much as Sunrise would tease up with the whole thing, it really just reminds me more of the overly obsessive relationship Lelouch had with Nunnally beforehand and vice versa, so his reaction and stuff wasn't surprising to me, and the fact that its likely he had a messed up childhood would only help us in understanding why he acts the way he does, I would think anyway. :eyebrow:
ApostleOfGod
2008-04-20 22:53
I can almost guarentee that some characteristic of Nunnally has been implemented into this possibly homunculus character.
ashlay
2008-04-20 22:58
Quote:
Originally Posted by ApostleOfGod
(Post 1549099)
I can almost guarentee that some characteristic of Nunnally has been implemented into this possibly homunculus character.
He ages, he's not a homunculus.
He's just a kid with a geass and a really messed up childhood of some sort. But hanging around Lelouch will probably make him better, it worked for Suzaku and C.C. after all. :rolleyes:
KrimzonStriker
2008-04-20 23:02
Well, it might have the opposite effect in terms of Nunnally herself >_>
Dann of Thursday
2008-04-20 23:03
One might argue how well it affected Suzaku at this point unless you are speaking of their childhood.
CeDeR
2008-04-20 23:04
he does resemble lelouch...purple eyes and i think he does have a thing for him(not sexual)
ashlay
2008-04-20 23:18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dann of Thursday
(Post 1549122)
One might argue how well it affected Suzaku at this point unless you are speaking of their childhood.
it was working out just fine before the massacre and shooting Euphie part! :heh:
still working pretty well now too actually, in it's own way. >_>
Blue_Mercy
2008-04-20 23:21
Not only does Rollo have an older brother/family complex he feels vastly inferior to Nunnally demonstrated by taking her birthday which he should. I think he's close to as emotionally unstable as Nina. My initial guess about Rollo was orphan before season 2 started, and I'm sticking with that.
KrimzonStriker
2008-04-20 23:24
We'll see I suppose, I definitely want to learn more about the guys past, he's such a complex character :eyebrow:
Z3120
2008-04-21 01:14
I still think there's a possibility Rolo might actually be a legitimate brother to Lelouch instead of a spy delegated to resembling Nunnally. Anyone else think this?
At first, I originally thought Rolo needed to disguise himself as close as possible to resembling Nunnally because I suspected breaking the emperor's Geass (don't feel like calling him Charles) is similar to how Villetta was able to break free and regain her former self and memories although I'm not quite sure about Shirley's case (I remember she found a picture of her and Lulu and her confession about Lulu being Zero, but I do vaguely recall it wasn't enough to break herself free from Lelouch's Geass).
Considering how significant Nunnally is to Lelouch, and, since she was the one of the reasons why Lelouch became Zero, indicating her worldly value to Lelouch to me (besides the incident near the end of season 1), I assumed the emperor was aware of this and had a replacement to distinctively match Nunnally, but Rolo's figure and appearance in general has an uncanny similarity to Nunnally.
Along with Rolo's reluctance to part ways with the locket, I'm highly guessing like Lelouch, he was in a predicament similar Lelouch where he was nothing more than a bargaining chip used in negotiations. But what's with Rolo's obsession in killing Zero? I can't think much of an explanation of it right now based on the clues (or laziness on my behalf), but I suspect something similar to what Shirley is going through could have happened. Previously, Shirley as we all know it was infatuated with Lelouch. Her memories of knowing of her previous self's discovery of Lelouch being Zero before the memory change was gone, but her feelings of Lelouch still remained intact. I thinking this could be the case for Rolo too, but why would he possess a Geass too? I'm really reaching for straws here, but Rolo's Geass on his left eye and Lelouch's Geass on his right eye seems to mean something important here yet I can't figure what besides trying to think if that connection even means anything.
Is it possible Rolo had his brotherly love affection before the emperor might have Geass him? I'm reaching for details, I know, but the possibility still interests me nonetheless.
Thoughts?
noir senshi
2008-04-21 02:31
Crackpot Theory: Rollo's geass goes permanent and then he has to resort to closing his eyes all the time (ala Nunnally) in order to avoid a world of solitude/frozen people.
Crontica
2008-04-21 05:15
Quote:
Originally Posted by noir senshi
(Post 1549482)
Crackpot Theory: Rollo's geass goes permanent and then he has to resort to closing his eyes all the time (ala Nunnally) in order to avoid a world of solitude/frozen people.
what you just said may be a very scary possibility, eyepatches anyone? :heh:
ReddyRedWolf
2008-04-21 05:32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crontica
(Post 1549616)
what you just said may be a very scary possibility, eyepatches anyone? :heh:
Arrr! The eyepatch Lamperouge brothers! :D
Skyfall
2008-04-21 05:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by noir senshi
(Post 1549482)
Crackpot Theory: Rollo's geass goes permanent and then he has to resort to closing his eyes all the time (ala Nunnally) in order to avoid a world of solitude/frozen people.
I don't expect that to be the case for Nunnaly, but it definitely makes for a good theory.
As for Rolo himself, i highly doubt his ability is to stop time. Besides obvious things like the water continuing to run in the affected field, there is another thing to consider we know about geass - all of the known ones affect people's mind in various ways (Mind reading, memory manipulation, bending mind to your own will), thus it would make more sense (based on what we have been shown thus far) for his Geass to cause a mind stop (the red outline of the affected people's eyeballs reinforce this) instead of being something that influences the physical environment around him.
SuperKnuckles
2008-04-21 08:03
Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple_R
(Post 1548912)
It never occurred to me, but now that you mention it...
Rollo did seem to value that locket quite a bit. I was thinking that it was because it was an important piece of spy machinery (or such machinery was put into the locket), but you never know.
I doubt it seeing how serious he was and how he showed raw emotions over it.
I think Rolo is just as much used by Britannia as someone like Suzaku is and is torn over it in his inner self.
I have a feeling that Rolo is not only assigned to be a false brother, but thinks of himself as such, or at least wants to think that. It's like a reverse Stockholm Syndome. Even if he's deceiving (or was) Lelouch, he has come to genuinely like him as a brother.
Dann of Thursday
2008-04-21 08:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by Z3120
(Post 1549378)
I still think there's a possibility Rolo might actually be a legitimate brother to Lelouch instead of a spy delegated to resembling Nunnally. Anyone else think this?
I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that they weren't blood related in one of the magazines.
