Quote:
Originally Posted by itachi-san314
(Post 4606069)
oonoki did one move to sasuke on his own and it would have easily killed him if obito didn't intervene. and hiruzen would get his butt kicked at least as bad as oonoki, but probably more since oonoki was able to counter some of madara's attacks (giant meteors btw) what would hiruzen do vs a meteor?
|
Sasuke had been pushed to his limits fighting against the samurai the Raikage, Gaara, Mifune, the Mizukage and all their subordinates. He didn't one-hit KO a fresh, full-powered Sasuke. He just landed an opportune final blow against a weakened opponent.
What could Sarutobi do against a meteor? I see no point in asking that. It's like asking what Oonoki do against Amaterasu. You can't use a threat a shinobi has never faced as a bias against their strength. Besides, I'm not talking about abilities and feats. Are we saying someone who can't fly or lift a giant turtle is inferior to Oonoki? I'm talking about what he's
done. Hiruzen faced several strong opponents at once and though he may have been beaten pretty decisively, he did hold his ground and effectively saved the village. Oonoki has had some skirmishes against Sasuke, Deidara and the previous Tuschikage. But against Madara he's been completely ineffective, along with all the other current kages. I'm not saying Sarutobi would do better, but his actually doing something to
thwart a major enemy is more impressive to me than simply getting swatted like a fly or taking the last shot against a half-dead enemy that had been fighting several other powerful allies.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
(Post 4606239)
How many years have passed since the last time you read the beginning of this manga? Because at a guess I'd say that your memory of Sarutobi's actual feats is hazy at best. I'd go as far as to say that every single one of his actions cramped together are put to shame in front of a single pic of many of Oonoki's accomplishments which in turn are dwarfed by what Madara and Hashirama have done on panel.
Now I think Sarutobi's lack of prowess is more representative of the fact that he died early in the show instead of what his power is supposed to be within the story but it doesn't change the fact that if what he did on panel was all he had I'd not bet on him against many of nowaday Jounin. The power inflation over the last few hundreds chapters is just too big of a gap.
|
As I said in my reply to
itachi-san, I'm not simply talking about abilities because yes the current character have very impressive techniques. Since day 1 the story has made a steady transition from more "conventional" martial arts and jutsu to bigger, more outlandish abilities. When Sarutobi was shown fighting it was before characters used their 3 bloodline/2 doujustu/sage mode/giant bijuu every battle.
That doesn't simply mean Sarutobi doesn't measure up. The flashier, bigger jutsu is a natural progression to keep up with readers' expectation for each battle to top the last. It doesn't mean that everyone has "surpassed" Sarutobi since he died. Though I agree Hashirama has definitely been revealed to be much stronger.
Quote:
And Hashirama's power just hype? This very flashback has shown that he had the power to crush the Kyubi single handedly with ease. Look it's really that simple : whereas Sarutobi helped by all of Konoha couldn't put a scratch on the Kyubi, Madara and Hashirama made the previous ultimate power of the show look like a mere attack dog.
|
So what's the disagreement here? I realize Hashirama is insanely strong. But all the feats you mentioned didn't come into the picture until Madara was put in place as a unbeatable force of evil. Hashirama needed to be crazy strong or else there'd be no excuse why Madara hadn't conquered the world decades ago. This is the result of hype from the mangaka, in order for one character's strength to match the other. Prior, Hashirama was simply known as being the founder of Konoha.