Does the Tsundere personality exist in the real world?
 

Wondering if it is possible for girls and boys to behave in the tsundere archetype in natural RL relationships. Unfortunately I have not had the grace to have had a girl ever hate me and like me at the same time.

If they don't follow the anime-like patterns exactly, perhaps they exhibit fragments of the tsundere personality? Thoughts

Just for fun.

The original Tsundere is a girl who hates you at first, but over time changes and likes you. This could be found in real life.

And even if its a Tsundere that simultaneously hates and loves you, I'm sure such cases do happen. You could be a nice person but do things that irritate her, she can like you for your good and hate you for your bad.

yeah it does exist certainly,but it`s not moe in real world.

This. :heh:
I tend to cut possible relationships when the other gives off vibes that they don't want to be around me, or as a tsundere still in her "hates you" stage. It's not moe at all in reality, it's gets tsunderes friendless.

And the other tsundere, the one who's on and off nice, compare to a person with a bipolar personality; sugar sweet, then a beotch, then back within one day. Definitely not the person you'd want to hang around much.

If you mean by they like you normally, but get mean during that time of the month then yeah =P

The cardboard 2-d archetype doesn't exist but there are certainly real world personalities that would meet the criteria... hell, I am married to one. She's of the "crunchy on the outside, creamy on the inside" type.

Love the comments here. Definitely some good chuckles.

I agree with everyone here, it's exists, but not something you covet as you would in an anime character. It would just cause you too much grief and stress than it's worth. I know I wouldn't want to deal with it personally. Just "that time of month" is more than enough. :)

There are certainly girls in real life who exhibit certain "tsundere" traits but they are definitely much milder than displayed in anime.

What puzzles me is if most people here say they wouldn't like a real-life tsundere, why would they like one in anime? I mean, would they enjoy being treated like the protagonist of a romance anime.

In case it's not clear yet, I don't like tsunderes in real life and I hate them even more in anime (since those qualities that make them tsundere are exaggerated to the extreme).

To be honest, I don't like tsunderes on the TV or standing right next to me. They tend to annoy me, no matter what dimension. :heh:

There's a difference, at least there should be, between liking a character and being in love with a real person. What I enjoy, see as funny, etc. in a character has no impact on what I look for in the opposite sex. In an anime, I see tsundere's as comical characters. They are cute and hilarious. In real-life, that's a different story. It isn't a show, so it's not cute and not something I laugh at.

The key is real-life vs entertainment.

Apparently Robert Jordan was married to one, which is why almost every single God damn female character in The Wheel of Time series is a tsundere.

Also cats.

For the most part the character traits I like and respect in anime are the same ones I respect in real life. That's why if I wouldn't tolerate something in real life I wouldn't tolerate it in anime either. For instance when I see a tsundere acting all bitchy towards some guy for superficial reasons I can put myself in the guy's place and I feel the same way he would feel in this situation. I know it's done for humor but it's usually done so many times that it ceases being funny. Also, it's only funny if the guy really deserved it, which most of the times isn't the case.

Ah, yes! Don't even get me started on RJ. Sometimes I feel like his wife must have beaten the hell out of him (verbally at least) by the way his female characters were represented. Most of them were not even tsunderes - but even full-fledged bitches who just generally hated men. This is one of the main reasons I stopped reading WoT, (the other being that it turned into a soap opera some time around book 4 or 5).

LOL.. Like Vexx say, true Tsundere are almost impossible in real world :heh: But some lucky guy do managed to married to a tsundere that act tsun tsun in front of peoples but more dere dere when alone :D .. especially if you know which button to push :heh:

True, you can take your likes from real-world to anime. I guess my point is that they can be separate. They don't have to be the same, especially if what you're watching is nothing realistic.

I'm guessing you mean with out the gesticulation and verbal ticks. Yes it exists.
However, "idiot who understands a tsundere" personality doesn't, so mostly only bad things happen.

Of course it does exist :D

But in real life all those insults tsundere makes of you hurt little bit too much.... Tsundere is not good for your selfconfidence. In real life you don't know how weak she is herself, you just see her beautiful confident side. When in anime we are introduced to tsunderes real feellings.

Unless you're the sort who can tell when she doesn't really mean her insults. But that sort of person would have either really good people-reading skills or a weird childhood.

So yes, the Tsundere personality does exist, but I doubt the existence of the personality that can tolerate the 'tsun'.

Tsunderes in real life aren't too happy, because guys who could love them usually give up and leave, and the there are guys who tsuns look up to these guys usually just uses them because of their naivety,

I'm scratching my head at many of the negative and seemingly off-target posts here.... but whatever, variety makes the world work better.

I am tsundere in real life... I am a true tsundere therefore I want myself.

Pretty sure it does, albeit without the near-homicidal tendencies that tend to come with it. :heh: Just as some guys like to incessantly tease a female friend he (to a certain extent) has the hots for, IMO it makes sense for relatively strong-willed girls to act cold and abusive towards guys they like as a way of conveying their feelings.

Hell, I daresay the situation with little sisters IRL is similar to this, but that's off topic.

These. You pretty much need to be a saint to tolerate a tsundere IRL, but a tsundere is still fine once in a while. :p

Gee... am I the only guy here who has dated a Tsundere and enjoyed it?

Sure getting to know her is a real pain, but once you know her buttons it's a blast. You lead the conversation so you can make a comment that you know will set her off. She starts raging at you and you just play along until you can't hide your smile anymore. You start grinning and she's all confused, but then she starts to get that you've been doing this on purpose (you need a smart Tsundere, dumb Tsundere are no fun at all), then of course she's even madder at you (but usually more willing to forgive).

So then you become all contrite on her while making comments about how she's too much fun (and cute when she's angry- they hate that comment). Once she's starting to cool down a bit you hit her with an embarrassing compliment (I found that telling her she's got "a cute butt" seems very effective) and just watch her turn bright red and start stammering before walking off in a huff.

It's a blast... once you know where the danger lines are and once she knows you are going to stick around and aren't trying to use her. Of course, learning where those danger lines are and earning her trust in the first place- that's not nearly as much fun. I guess most guys aren't willing to put in the effort.

That and it requires a lot of self-confidence as a guy to deal with a Tsundere, and most guys who have that confidence are jerks who don't really care about the girl. Essentially you need a guy who is self-confident, kind, and has a warped sense of humor to boot.

If you want to see an anime that depicts more of what a real Tsundere romance is like (rather than the exaggerated ones like Louise and Saito) watch Cross Game.

Aoba is a lot like a real life Tsundere, and Kou is basically the exact type of guy that can handle one. (As opposed to the more common male leads of idiots and/or perverts).

I'm sure a lot of people have very tsundere elements to them, but of course nobody would adhere to it perfectly. My mother acts the role quite often, even saying things like "why the hell am I cooking for you parasite" when she's pissed off.
The tsundere archetype appeals to me on some basic level; I wonder if my mother being like that has any impact on my taste?

No... actually I dated and married one (31 years this summer, 35 if you count the courtship). Its a lot of work but I don't regret it at all. Crunchy on the outside, creamy on the inside, 149cm/44kg of spitfire . I suppose the problem is that its like playing a date-sim game with an option for "hardcore" mode like RPGs and FPSs have set to "ON".

And I married a tsundere myself after dating her for almost 11 years .. ^w^

Osananajimi + Tsundere combo .. :D

Ironically, you sound a lot like Senjougahara who is often likened to tsunderes (though isn't actually a Tsundere)

It exists. My sister is one. Well, she is more Tsun Tsun than Dere Dere.

Sorry if I'm digging out this thread out of nowhere, but I found it messing around with google trying to find a "how-to-handle-a-tsundere guide" or something of the sort.

I'm currently dating a tsundere. Yes, they exist xD the one I know and love isn't the kind that plays "I hate you", but rather has a hard time opening up and talking about certain things, to the point where she'll get depressed or angry.

So yeah, I normally wouldn't have registered, but Sackett's reply caught my eye. I've had that "cute when you're mad" situation before, but I don't push it or plan for it to happen like that xD mostly because intend to stick around with this girl for as long as I can (forever, if possible). The few times it's happened I remember quite clearly out of how fun they were, though.
Unfortunately, when she's being difficult to talk to (she'll jump if I use the wrong words, or just won't care about much of the stuff I say. I guess you could say she's willing to change for me when she's "dere" and couldn't give less of a damn when she's "tsun") I also get somewhat down, since I lack that self-confidence that Sackett mentioned ^^'

You might not be able to sit back and relax much if you date/love a tsundere (specially when you're convinced that she's your special one), but it's well worth it. I bet I could remember every word out of any of the times she's been truly sweet to me, it makes you feel so special that you feel like your heart could explode any second =)

Actually, going by how broadly the term "tsundere" is applied to fictional characters, I'd argue that a solid majority of all North American women (and possibly a solid majority of women worldwide, but I'll stick to the continent that I know best) could be called "tsundere".

The following is an argument I made about a year ago on the matter...


Increasingly, the following appears to be true of tsunderes:

They are any anime female character that...

1) Isn't a Yamato Nadeshiko

2) Has more overt personality than Yuki Nagato

3) Isn't entirely sweet, or entirely firm/rough/tough


In other words, the character could be harsh 90% of the time and sweet a mere 10% of the time, or sweet 90% of the time and harsh a mere 10% of the time, and still get labeled a tsundere.

Well, if this is the case, I don't see what makes the tsundere special at all anymore. Most girls, or for that matter, most people, have their harsh moments and their kind moments; it's called displaying a full range of emotions. :P

I agree with you. :heh: Only regarding the numbers, the big difference is also context. That 10% has to be in private (don't necessarily mean that as "alone") and the other 90% has to be in public. Personally I don't think of characters that just sway between extremes as tsunderes.

Well Triple R, I have gotten the impression that the Japanese assume any American woman is a tsundere by default.

That's a fair point. The tsundere is usually only sweet to the guy she likes during a private moment.


You could be right.

I read a manga once, though, where the female American transfer student was every bit as cheerful and moe as Ritsu from K-On! is. The name of the manga was... Midori Days (?)... if I remember correctly.

Like someone already said tsundere in rl = Bipolar or just a b1tch.

Most anime personality archetypes are "idealized and extreme" versions of real world counterparts. Archetypes don't actually exist, but real personalities can trend towards them. Real world tsundere (or any other type) would necessarily be more complicated than the "comic book representations" of them.

Yea, real people aren't that simple. Though, I have a tendency to love and hate the same things. :heh:

For some reason seeing this thread makes me think "what if I started classifying everyone I see under a trope?"

I'm Tsundere

It's not like I wanted to post here

It all goes on variety.

Some girls are that great balance, who are prickly on the outside and reserved, but over time they warm up and begin opening their shell for a bit. (Or let you inside it) Tsundere girls in real life strike me liked Helga from Hey Arnold! People who are generally irritable, but have their own personal issues to deal with and in privacy are very concerned and passionate about certain people.

Now, there are girls who are literally bipolar. Just the drop of a hat could make them angry or shouting at some random person. The only issue is that, I think it was called perfectly in this thread, in real life, it's never made as something cute or completely endearing as opposed to anime. ^^;

Funny though, in terms of animes, I have only seen tsunderes who are some-what realistic or just overly exaggerated (Mostly used for comic effect). But it oddly enough makes me think, I don't think I've ever seen a girl in an anime who was medically diagnosed of being mentally ill.

JPNers have stereotyped us as loud and boisterous, not to mention tall and top heavy... We turn into tsunderes when we get more char development. :D
Because having mental disorders is not moe moe. Being tsundere, however, is.

This is why I like the tsunderes who start out somewhat closed, then open up, as opposed to the ones who just flip through emotional masks on a dime. Developing tsunderes in real life are something of a treat to come across, as long as their tsuntsun is just "You're asking about my personal life? :eyebrow: I won't and shouldn't tell you" rather than the "DO NOT TALK TO ME DONT U C IM BUSY BEING A LONER AWAY FROM STOOPIDHOMO SAPIEN SAPIENS RAWR!!!!11" that can be cute in anime yet annoying or scary as hell in real life.

You sure about that? <.<

Is having a deformity cute? On TV?