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marvelB 2009-07-28 09:43

One Piece - Chapter 552 (manga)
 
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Okay, let's do this:


-The ministory now focuses on Chopper, who escapes from some natives that want to cook and eat him.


-Luffy says that he always knew that he and Ace weren't blood related, and even knew that his father was Roger. Meanwhile, Ace has a flashback about meeting Shanks (whom he thanked for looking after Luffy), and apparently he actually turned down an offer to join the Shichibukai. He fought with Jinbei for 5 days (well, that certainly explains how they knew each other), and had a scuffle with the man that he would recognize as his father, as well. It also turns out that Whitebeard told Ace that he wasn't obligated to go hunt down Blackbeard, but he ignored his "dad's" orders because he wanted to deal out punishment to the traitor.....




-It turns out that Whitebeard is a DF user. He has the powers of the Gura Gura fruit, an earthquake power. Sengoku says that that it's a power that can destroy the world. Whitebeard uses his great power to split the heavens (I guess like with his encounter with Shanks) and creates a great tsunami. There are two tsunamis and admirals Aokiji and Akainu try to stop them before 50,000 marines are wiped out. It seems that Akainu is about to reveal his powers....




Wow, so Whiebeard was a DF user.... that was unexpected. And an earthquake power, too. Yes, an insanely powerful fruit like that is most certainly fitting for the strongest man in the world. Still, while htat's cool and all, I'm still more interested in seeing his commanders and his New World allies in action. Maybe we'll see more unique DF powers amongst those guys too, yeah? ;) And while it's still most likely that Akainu will be a Logia, I'm still crossing my fingers for the small chance that he's a Paramecia or (Awakened) Zoan instead.......



And.... huh, so Luffy knew about Ace's father all along, even though he didn't know about his own until just recently? Interesting. But man, it's pretty crazy to think that Ace and Jinbei were fighting for 5 days straight! And it's also good to know that Whitebeard actually DID have reservations about sending Ace after Blackbeard. Still, it would have been wise for Whitebeard to stop Ace from going anyway, or they wouldn't be caught in this current predicament.... oh, well. What's done is done, I guess......



Anyway, I now await pics! :D

C.A. 2009-07-28 09:53

People have been talking about Devil Fruit abilities that can control waves and how powerful it will be. I guess Whitebeard definitely shown that the ability is indeed devastating.

He probably used it against those Marine ships earlier on that were in the New World keeping an eye on him. With his quakes causing tsunamis, he can wipe out anything on land and on the sea.

AddiKtioNn-BlaCk 2009-07-28 10:00

Man. Hearing about Whitebeard's power, says volumes about Roger's strength as well. How does somebody fight evenly against somebody with that kind of DF.

I thought they divide in the Heavens (Skies) was caused by Haki, so it turns out it was really his DF. That's bit of a let down. But on that same note, Sengoku has to be out of his fucking mind, I dont think I would want to fuck with somebody with kind of power. But who knows what kind of power Sengoku has as well.

ZeroForever 2009-07-28 10:06

not really to surprised that he has a DF, as other then shanks has there been a single other high end human pirate captain that didn't have one? (kuro/krieg aren't high end)

interesting power, I'm assuming he knows the Admirals can stop the waves otherwise such a large AOE attack would take out ace as well, so it could just be hiding a 2nd move of his.

C.A. 2009-07-28 10:06

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Originally Posted by AddiKtioNn-BlaCk (Post 2543547)
Man. Hearing about Whitebeard's power, says volumes about Roger's strength as well. How does somebody fight evenly against somebody with that kind of DF.

I thought they divide in the Heavens (Skies) was caused by Haki, so it turns out it was really his DF. That's bit of a let down. But on that same note, Sengoku has to be out of his fucking mind, I dont think I would want to fuck with somebody with kind of power. But who knows what kind of power Sengoku has as well.

I'm not sure if he really can quake the skies, because his ability is written specifically in Japanese as 'earthquake', meaning a real earthquake. Its not vibration or shockwaves or anything, but a quake that must be done on the ground.

Until we see more of his ability, we cannot be certain whether he can or cannot quake the skies.

I'm not sure whether he's a Paramecia or Logia though. An earthquake is definitely natural enough to be Logia and he may be a type like Blackbeard's Darkness, natural but doesn't give his body an indestructible property.

Rurik 2009-07-28 10:19

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Originally Posted by C.A. (Post 2543557)
I'm not sure whether he's a Paramecia or Logia though. An earthquake is definitely natural enough to be Logia and he may be a type like Blackbeard's Darkness, natural but doesn't give his body an indestructible property.

Yeah, Im wondering that, I dont think we have seen a DF before where the users are actually influencing the enviorment. At teh Moment, I think this should be a Parameceia, the ones that come closest to this abbility, is Foxy DF power.

Rawrz 2009-07-28 10:28

They revealed Ace is Roger's son, They revealed that Whitebeard is earthquake....But no...For some reason Im just focused with Akainu's moves.Revealing his ability sounds more interesting than any war out there.

game2007 2009-07-28 10:37

I bet Akainu grew lots of plants to absorb the tidal wave.

marvelB 2009-07-28 11:08

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Originally Posted by game2007 (Post 2543612)
I bet Akainu grew lots of plants to absorb the tidal wave.



Nah, he'll reveal himself to be a sponge Zoan and will suck up all the water into his body instead, you mark my words. ;)



All kidding aside, this is definitely an interesting time for Akainu to reveal his powers. This actually sorta reminds me of when Aokiji revealed his powers during the long island arc, when he was about to be attacked by a sea king. I always thought it was cool for new characters to reveal their powers at critical moments. I most certainly hope that Akainu doesn't disappoint.....




Anyway, I too am unsure about whether or not Whitebeard's fruit should be lumped into the Paramecia or Logia category. As already said, an earthquake is a natural occurrance, which would definitely make it a Logia, but this doesn't seem like the type of ability that can transform the user's body (is it even possible to turn into seismic waves?). I'm leaning towards it being a Paramecia power myself, since we already had psuedo-natural abilities in that category (like Mr. 3 with his wax and Magellan with his poison). But I guess we really just have to see him in action before we can really be sure about anything......

james0246 2009-07-28 11:13

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Originally Posted by game2007 (Post 2543612)
I bet Akainu grew lots of plants to absorb the tidal wave.

Because plants are known for stopping tsunami...:).

Learning that Whitebeard has a Devil Fruit isn't that great of a shock, and he certainly has an overtly powerful enough fruit that his title of Strongest is not harmed (though, I kind of wish that he had a seemingly innocuous fruit (like bubbles (bubbles have already been taken, but you get my point) or something that looks harmless, but due to Whitebeard's mastery and imaginative use of the fruit, he turned a seemingly innocuous fruit into a godlike power)). In Japan especially, there is very little more feared (and respected) than an earthquake, so Whitebeard having this power shows just how much Oda is putting on Whitebeard (hopefully people like Mold will be able to accept this supreme power and not be upset that the earlier assumption of Whitebeard using simple physical power to rise to the top were incorrect).

edit: during Garp's conversation with Ace he labeled Whitebeard as a "Ruler/God of the Sea," and this chapter thouroughly confirms that title. Whitebeard is Poseidon/Neptune, able to send tsunamis out to destroy his enemies; and while his bisento is no trident, it's close enough :).

Prestige 2009-07-28 11:54

I guess Gura Gura no mi (Whitebeards fruit) is Earth logia and through his element he can cause seismic quakes.

Of course he could just have paramecia fruit what is strictly specialized on earthquakes but I think having earth/rock type logia is more plausible.

Spoler indicates that he already took down 50 000 with tsunami but its early spoiler so we might get clarification.

marvelB 2009-07-28 12:26

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Originally Posted by Prestige (Post 2543742)
Spoler indicates that he already took down 50 000 with tsunami but its early spoiler so we might get clarification.



Actually I'm pretty sure it indicates that he's about to wipe out 50,000 marines with a tsunami, but the admirals are putting a stop to that before there are any casualties. I mean, it wouldn't do for the marines to lose half of their forces in just one attack, would it....?


But yeah, this instantly explains why even a Logia like Eneru wouldn't be able to rule the blue seas, even if he had a 500 million bounty. All Whitebeard would have to do is cause a big enough rumble and his opponent will be taken out with a huge tidal wave. And if he fights on land he can easily devestate the landscape enough to give opponents a disadvantage (heck, he can even form volcanoes with his power!). Quite a destructive, yet useful power indeed......

Bonta Kun 2009-07-28 13:03

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Originally Posted by marvelB (Post 2543812)
Actually I'm pretty sure it indicates that he's about to wipe out 50,000 marines with a tsunami, but the admirals are putting a stop to that before there are any casualties. I mean, it wouldn't do for the marines to lose half of their forces in just one attack, would it....?


But yeah, this instantly explains why even a Logia like Eneru wouldn't be able to rule the blue seas, even if he had a 500 million bounty. All Whitebeard would have to do is cause a big enough rumble and his opponent will be taken out with a huge tidal wave. And if he fights on land he can easily devestate the landscape enough to give opponents a disadvantage (heck, he can even form volcanoes with his power!). Quite a destructive, yet useful power indeed......

Not sure Enel would be taken out so easly by WB's DF, given its hard to stop or outrun a tsunami but Enel is able to teleport over huge distances and has got one of the best long range attacks around. Only reason Enel was beat cause he had the worst luck possible really by running into his only real natural enemy.
When Robin said its a rumored invincible DF I think its pretty much that.

WB's DF is certainly something tho, dealing with with enemies on the water, summon up a tidal wave and be done with it all or destroy the land they walk on and bedone with it. All done and be home for tea:p

marvelB 2009-07-28 13:33

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Originally Posted by Bonta Kun (Post 2543881)
Not sure Enel would be taken out so easly by WB's DF, given its hard to stop or outrun a tsunami but Enel is able to teleport over huge distances and has got one of the best long range attacks around. Only reason Enel was beat cause he had the worst luck possible really by running into his only real natural enemy.
When Robin said its a rumored invincible DF I think its pretty much that.



Well yeah, I guess he can avoid it depending on the range of the tsunami, but if we're talking about Logias who have the best chance of "outrunning" a wave, then it would undoubtedly be Kizaru (light>lightning in terms of speed). ;) Also, I kinda doubt a huge ball of electricity will be enough to stop a raging wall of water, but whatever (I don't really like getting into debates about the "tiers" of DF powers, so I think I'll refrain from further hypothetical "X vs. Y" conversations for the time being)......



But as already said, Whitebeard definitely has an extremely destructive ability. I already mentioned that he can create active volcanoes with his power, but he can also cause avalanches, landslides, and just plain level any city or town that's in the range of his quakes. Sengoku's not kidding when he said that it's an ability that can destroy the world......

james0246 2009-07-28 13:36

^And he is physically strong enough to attack opponents in the sky. All in all, in one move, Whitebeard shows that he is the strongest single character we have seen up to this point able to defend and attack from all positions.

AddiKtioNn-BlaCk 2009-07-28 13:43

Now that Whitebeard's Devil Fruit has been revealed. The question is how do you defeat it? Roger couldn't even defeat Whitebeard, but rather fought evenly with him. Which leads me to believe the inevitable, Blackbeard is the only one, since his Devil Fruit actually cancels out other Devil Fruits. Sengoku may be strong, but if he was able to take out Whitebeard, or even had a slight chance to do so, he would have.

Also... if Shanks and Rayleigh do appear, the World Government will be completely overwhelmed.

Phenomenal 2009-07-28 13:45

Whitebeard has a devil fruit and Luffy knew all along Ace and him were not blood brothers.

Whooooa! Didn't see THAT coming!

NOT.

I was hoping for some matchups to be set up but maybe next chapter.

Rainbowman 2009-07-28 13:57

Here's my review:

Mini-story: Chopper escaping the natives wanting to eat him. I wonder what he'll do now?

Main Story: Whitebeard a DF user. :twitch: Never saw this coming. And Akainu was about to reveal his powers only to have this chapter end for us. We may have to wait till next week to see what they are along with the full explanation on Doflamingo's powers.

Rawrz 2009-07-28 14:27


Captain Roronoa Zoro 2009-07-28 14:30

i also heard tht he might have a sound df

Freya 2009-07-28 14:34

tsunami? Not much of a threat shouldn't it? Considering Aokiji can just freeze it and who knows what Akainu can do.

Rurik 2009-07-28 14:36

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Originally Posted by Phenomenal (Post 2543960)
Whitebeard has a devil fruit and Luffy knew all along Ace and him were not blood brothers.


That was actually confirmed in the previous chapter.

Phenomenal 2009-07-28 14:46

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Originally Posted by Rurik (Post 2544064)
That was actually confirmed in the previous chapter.

Yeah I know, my point of reused information..again.


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Also... if Shanks and Rayleigh do appear, the World Government will be completely overwhelmed.
Nah, The Government would still be good..It's Dragon they got to worry about.

Rurik 2009-07-28 14:51

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Originally Posted by Phenomenal (Post 2544084)
Yeah I know, my point of reused information..again.

I can see what the author is doing here, as well as with the DF of WB... (is not that bad to state the obvious), even in Naruto and Bleach you see this happening a lot.

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Nah, The Government would still be good..It's Dragon they got to worry about.
Remember to name the poster you are quoting, as I didn’t post that quote.

Rawrz 2009-07-28 15:07

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Originally Posted by Captain Roronoa Zoro (Post 2544048)
i also heard tht he might have a sound df

Suits apoo the rapper better.But who knows.Sound signal vibration logia body sounds interesting.
Spoiler for o:

AddiKtioNn-BlaCk 2009-07-28 15:41

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Originally Posted by Phenomenal (Post 2544084)
Nah, The Government would still be good..It's Dragon they got to worry about.

What the hell are you talking about?
You really think they can handle Whitebeard's power, along with the Dark King and Rayleigh?

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Originally Posted by Freya (Post 2544054)
tsunami? Not much of a threat shouldn't it? Considering Aokiji can just freeze it and who knows what Akainu can do.

I dont think he freezed the whole thing.
If so, Akainu wouldn't had haft to step in

marvelB 2009-07-28 15:49

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Originally Posted by AddiKtioNn-BlaCk (Post 2544187)
What the hell are you talking about?
You really think they can handle Whitebeard's power, along with the Dark King and Rayleigh?



Uh, the Dark King IS Rayleigh. :p



Anyway, I think his point is that those two guys don't really have any beef with the government like Whitebeard and Dragon currently do. Yes, they could attempt to rescue their former captain's son themselves, but it's not really necessary since his surrogate father is already doing just that, with additional backup from his own crew and allies from the New World. ;)



Edit: By the way, I'm pretty sure that Whitebeard's power is something that Oda had planned for a good while, now. Notice that his fruit has the same name as his laugh (gurararara).......

james0246 2009-07-28 17:31

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Originally Posted by marvelB (Post 2544203)
Anyway, I think his point is that those two guys don't really have any beef with the government like Whitebeard and Dragon currently do. Yes, they could attempt to rescue their former captain's son themselves, but it's not really necessary since his surrogate father is already doing just that, with additional backup from his own crew and allies from the New World. ;)

Yes, but this could very well be the thing that Kuma whispered to Rayleigh back at Sabody. That moment just screamed "foreshadowing!" and this current war is the biggest possible thing that could have been alluded to. Added to that, Kuma is the most trusted Shichibukai, that also has a great spy network (of some kind), so it is entirely possible that Kuma could have known Ace's heritage (which he is not seen wondering about in the previous chapter) so he decided to give the info to Rayleigh (who may or may not give it to other former Roger nakama).

Phenomenal 2009-07-28 18:03

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Originally Posted by AddiKtioNn-BlaCk (Post 2544187)
What the hell are you talking about?
You really think they can handle Whitebeard's power, along with the Dark King and Rayleigh?

Yeah, the Government built this shindig for Whitebeard, Dragon and whoever else wants to come. They got the power and the trump card for anyone else that wants some, it's in the story.

Like Marvelb said though, Silvers and Shanks really don't have a reason to come..But then again James makes a good point, with Kuma whispering schemes into Silvers ear, who knows. So I think it's best to believe the doors of hell are open to everybody.

AddiKtioNn-BlaCk 2009-07-28 19:03

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Originally Posted by marvelB (Post 2544203)
Uh, the Dark King IS Rayleigh. :p

I meant, Dark King Rayleigh and Shanks.

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Originally Posted by Phenomenal (Post 2544414)
Yeah, the Government built this shindig for Whitebeard, Dragon and whoever else wants to come. They got the power and the trump card for anyone else that wants some, it's in the story.

Please explain what's the trump card?
Because I don't see any. Until Sengoku and Akainu's powers are revealed, the World Government has their hands full. For Rayleigh and Shanks to show up, it would be too much from how I see it.

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But then again, I see what you're saying (kind of). Mihawk and Shanks are equals so if Shanks do show may be we can get a taste of what these battles between that "shook all of the grand line" were like. And I also shouldn't underestimate the Vice-Admirals, being as though Garp is a Vice-Admiral and fought evenly with the Pirate King Gol D. Roger.

[Side Note: This makes me a little curious about Kaidou also, like what kind of power he must have to feel confident enough to attack Whitebeard (even if it was from behind)]

Phenomenal 2009-07-28 21:01

^^Trump card is Marshall D. Teach.

I really do hope this Tsunami by Whitebeard blows Luffy's ship away.:)

james0246 2009-07-28 22:10

^Where was Luffy's ship in the convoy, anyway?

Poetic Justice 2009-07-28 22:40

New chapter sounds awesome, as usual.

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Originally Posted by Phenomenal (Post 2544676)
^^Trump card is Marshall D. Teach.

I really do hope this Tsunami by Whitebeard blows Luffy's ship away.:)


Did the tsunami destroy the other pirate ships?

game2007 2009-07-28 22:58

It appears that the government gave Ace an offer for Shichibukai position once. Now if they really want him dead, why would they...?

Phenomenal 2009-07-28 22:58

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Originally Posted by game2007 (Post 2544818)
It appears that the government gave Ace an offer for Shichibukai position once. Now if they really want him dead, why would they...?

For the lulz...

Seriously, they have all the spots filled, so there is no need for Ace anymore....
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Originally Posted by james0246 (Post 2544755)
^Where was Luffy's ship in the convoy, anyway?

In Oda's hands

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Originally Posted by Poetic Justice
Did the tsunami destroy the other pirate ships?

I don't think so, most likely the Tsunami is just attacking the Marines.

Poetic Justice 2009-07-28 23:15

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Originally Posted by game2007 (Post 2544818)
It appears that the government gave Ace an offer for Shichibukai position once. Now if they really want him dead, why would they...?

Because they didn't know he was Gold Roger's son back then?

Poetic Justice 2009-07-28 23:21

Also im pretty sure Akainu's power has something to do with fire, Perhaps it really is lava.
Aokiji the blue pheasent, Kizaru the yellow monkey and Akainu the Red Dog. See a pattern here?

seiji_kun 2009-07-28 23:32

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Originally Posted by james0246 (Post 2544360)
Y Added to that, Kuma is the most trusted Shichibukai, that also has a great spy network (of some kind), so it is entirely possible that Kuma could have known Ace's heritage (which he is not seen wondering about in the previous chapter) so he decided to give the info to Rayleigh (who may or may not give it to other former Roger nakama).

Always possible but I find it rather doubtful when he even had to confirm with Nami whether Ace was Luffy's brother or not. Makes me think he didn't knew about Ace's background at all though Whitebeard figured it out and the WG so it's perfectly possible.

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Originally Posted by james0246 (Post 2544755)
^Where was Luffy's ship in the convoy, anyway?

Sunk bye WB's fleet! Who can blame them, a marine ship was comming :P .
Probably just a bit late cause the gates seemed to open more or less simultanious as when WB made his appearance. Comming late always leaves an impression.

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Originally Posted by Phenomenal (Post 2544676)
I really do hope this Tsunami by Whitebeard blows Luffy's ship away.:)

How can you want Luffy to sit this out? I could understand that you think this war just seems to high lvl for Luffy to participate in but this is Luffy we're talking about. Our cool protagonist that I expect/hope to do something extra-ordinary which will stun the world yet again. Can't wait to see what it'll be even if it doesn't tip the war in WB's favor.

Phenomenal 2009-07-29 00:02

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Originally Posted by seiji_kun (Post 2544866)
How can you want Luffy to sit this out? I could understand that you think this war just seems to high lvl for Luffy to participate in but this is Luffy we're talking about. Our cool protagonist that I expect/hope to do something extra-ordinary which will stun the world yet again. Can't wait to see what it'll be even if it doesn't tip the war in WB's favor.

Luffy is not cool, Zoro is cool.

Crusader 2009-07-29 00:12

Whitebeard's a dead man walking, Showing off his power like that so recklessly. I'm still holding out that Civil War Buddha has plan. He has to have some trick, knowing that Whitebeared would be coming.

I gotta say though, I am impressed with WB's immense power.


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