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The-Ghost
2009-04-21 09:13
Spoiler:
Jupiter WTF? how did the colonies get way the hell out there....
Fishfood1
2009-04-21 09:40
Spoiler for ep 16:
what's with sunrise and jupiter? lol
besides retrieving leopard's body back from there, maybe they can get themselves a GN drive there and attach it to what ever else needs it :heh:
just when i thought we have a bloody death from that student council, he ends up being controlled by a NAVI and now in a new maidroid body similar to imoko's
internal tensions!!!
Sixth
2009-04-21 10:23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishfood1
(Post 2353809)
Spoiler for ep 16:
what's with sunrise and jupiter? lol
besides retrieving leopard's body back from there, maybe they can get themselves a GN drive there and attach it to what ever else needs it :heh:
just when i thought we have a bloody death from that student council, he ends up being controlled by a NAVI and now in a new maidroid body similar to imoko's
internal tensions!!!
Spoiler for Episode 16:
Yeah..That part also fooled me for a seconds...
I wonder...is that guys really Nerval? and pity Takane...she have turned into someone's private toy.
I wonder, what is the conversion between Akiha and Leopard about Kagura and the 3 girl argument as well.
slaag
2009-04-21 12:37
Spoiler for Episode 16:
It seems tensions are getting high even among our heroines. I wonder what Itsuki said to Akiha to make her snap (although Itsuki obviously regretted it after).
Fishfood1
2009-04-21 13:03
Spoiler for btw:
either fon owns a pizza hut store on his island or there's an automated pizza making machine on that ship sakura uses... i mean when did they stockpile a whole load of pizza hut pizzas? :heh:
serenade_beta
2009-04-21 14:05
SoraKake: (´;ω;`)
Abyss: (´・ω・`) Now you know how I felt...
Sorakake: 。・゜・(つД`)・゜・。
Spoiler for ep16:
I won't say it was a bad episode, but didn't really find the general development of the plot so interesting... Just kind of left me "Umm~~~~..."
The new ED by Ceui... I like the song, but the visuals fit so badly, I wonder if it was some joke... Why deform?...
In the meantime, Nami has completely gone over to the dark side... It's fine beating Akiha or Takane, but she really needs to make sure she gets the eldest sister. The main one at fault for dealing the final blow to Nami, after all.
Still, only ugly old men, huh, the ones on Nerval's side... And I wonder if it was just me, but Nerval's human form looks like it could come from the newest Yu-gi-oh series... (-_-)
And so, stress overload and everyone starts shouting at each other. Right... Can't say they are wrong about each other, the two.
And the headless armor decides to get a Itsuki flag or two by comforting her. Sneaky little...
Megane... Your existence is now... even more... pointless.......
Kind of laughed at Itsuki when she talked about Akiha's pain from losing her family. Sure didn't see a bit of pain during the whole adventure on Earth, though.
Now some new development happens... What will happen now...
Kaioshin Sama
2009-04-21 15:57
Quote:
Originally Posted by The-Ghost
(Post 2353763)
Spoiler:
Jupiter WTF? how did the colonies get way the hell out there....
Spoiler:
Ah it's Sunrise with the Jupiter again. It's going to turn out that the five lights flashing at the end of Gundam 00 were the Sora Kake Girl characters crossing dimensions with THE POWER!.
Tom Bombadil
2009-04-21 16:09
Quote:
Originally Posted by serenade_beta
(Post 2354222)
I won't say it was a bad episode, but didn't really find the general development of the plot so interesting... Just kind of left me "Umm~~~~..."
I would, this episode is almost completely filler-junk.
Spoiler for rage:
1/3 episode was spend on the student concile, which nobody cares about and they has yet to do bloody anything for the whole series except as filler material.
Then 1/3 of the episode was on Neval meeting Nami, blahh, blahh, talking heads and unnatural poses.
Last 1/3 with all heroines goes EMO. Yes they have found Leopard's body. But that's hardly anything new if one had watched ep12 carefully. Why is it near Jupiter? Honoka said something like "Jupiter is where Leopard and I hibernate/sleep in the past". OK? So it was in auto drive mode?
Now that Leopard has his body back, I guess we'll spend a episode on tiger-stripe-bikini-girl trying to steal that body(speculation). When are we going to get real plot development?
panpo98
2009-04-22 10:07
Do you think the blond man is the creator of Nerval or the person Nerval was based on?
Like Leopald was based on the old man on Earth.
It would explain why they get along so well if there are two of them that is.
Shouldn't he be older as well? The blond looks to young to be 50+ years.
Although the same could be said about Aleida.
C.A.
2009-04-22 10:32
Why do people watch raws when you don't understand the least bit of Japanese, do yourselves a favor and wait for subs. Filler junk, no plot development? When did talking become filler and not contributing to plot? When you don't understand what they're talking about, yes. No wonder you don't find plot.
I know there's no subs and I'm doing summaries because people are impatient and have to watch raws, but complaining about stuff you don't even understand, what?
Spoiler for summary:
Julio finds that there's no connection to outside the school. Neneko comes over and gives him some bread. He then wonders why there's a supply of bread to the school when they're locked in. He then sees a long line of boxes being sent to transports, at this moment his teacher enters the classroom in the form of a box. They've been fed and kept alive until its their turn to be put into boxes and sent to Nerval.
The school council has been trying to find their way out of the school, they can do so because of Yurii's lock hacking rose. They've been unlocking doors to the school's carpark. They were about to hijack a box transport when a Nerval drone spots them, Akira attacks it but was injured. They grab another vehicle, Akira reveals himself to be a Navi and pilots the vehicle, they escape the building. The school council under Elle and Emilio are one level below Shishidou intelligence and knows about as much as the ICP, they have high security clearance and operates under Shishidou, but there are still lots of top secret intelligence that they do not know about. They are about the highest security clearance for civilians.
Outside in space they were pursued by the Nerval drones, but the ICP QT-ARMS and Remote Attackers comes to the rescue. The ICP officer tells them the coordinates where the ICP is keeping all the refugees and proceeds to attack the drones. The drones activates the Nerval wave and takes over the AI of the Remote Attackers, which then turn on the QT-ARMS. The QT-ARMS being overwhelmed were captured by the drones so that the pilots would be converted to Nervalists.
Just then Xanthippe jumps into the colony space, previous episode she was at the Pied Piper's location. They're bring Nami to meet Nerval. At Nerval's office, his assistants report that 30% of Kirkwood's residents has been put into boxes and converted to 'new-residents'. They say it will soon be ready for a new revolution and will need to call back the Existance to proceed to the next phase.
Nerval says that the Existence will be the last resort, there's no need to call them back now. He also says in order to create a peaceful society, all humans must be put into boxes. But he is concerned about the residents' unwillingness to become part of this new society. Nerval thinks they're have not reached stage 3 yet, they're still at stage 2. The Nervalists acknowledges that and they say they will handle this well so that they will create a proper society. Nerval thanks the Nervalists for helping him for the past 50 years, so that he can once again return. He says as a Brain Colony, all he wants to do is to create a proper society for his residents. Xanthippe then calls in, saying that the Sora wo Kakeru Shoujo is here.
Just then the Moon defence base recieves a message from the Orbital Ring Union's president, thanking them for their help with the recent incident and now everything is over. The base's commander wonders whether this letter is true because it seems weird. He remember's Emilio and wonders if he is safe now and that the Absolute Breakthrough Control could override all systems and there could be a similar system to control information processing. We then see that Kazane and Kagura's Navi both doing well. She says that it seems Nerval has controlled information to such a degree, they'll need to return to everyone quick.
Nina was caught smoking in hospital, just when Elle wakes up, who was shocked to see Nina. ICP and the Shishidou Group are not at good terms with each other, because Shishidou's have lots of secrets that ICP are investigating, but Nina is not really here for that. The school council who just arrived at the refugee point were sent to the hospital so that Akira can be treated, whom also gets a temporary new droid body, a similar model as Imo-chan. Emilio is then shocked to see Elle and especially Nina.
Nami is surprised that Nerval in human form, she thought that Nerval is a Brain similar to Xanthippe. Aleida explains that Nerval feels that its better to appear to humans as a human figure. Nami says she doesn't like that, Nerval is just pretending, putting up an act, for someone who wants to rule over all humans, he's trying to become closer to humans. Nami asks Nerval whether he knows what she really wants to do.
Just then Takane floats down behind, Nerval apologizes for surprising Nami, but Takane has become his personal bodyguard. Nami says she doesn't care, she only knows that the world has changed overnight. Nerval tells Nami that they will protect the world together, Nami says she's only interested in becoming a monster like Nerval and Aleida, she will destroy everything. Nerval tells Nami to do as she likes, its for the sake of creating a new world. Nami says she's fine with that as long as Nerval bears all the responsibility, she also thinks how pitiful TaKane has become.
Akiha wakes up and finds that everyone is alright, but is shocked to see that they're at Jupiter. In the ship, Ul says that if they're going to return to Kirkwood, it would take at least 5 years. Itsuki is collecting the withered QT Rose petals and thinks that if they return they can probably find out from the roses how to fight against the Existence, Ul once again reminds that it will probably be 5 years later then. Akiha thinks Itsuki is really great as she can concentrate on working even in this situation, Itsuki is not happy with that.
Akiha wonders why Leopard seems to be especially quiet, he is deeply affected by Aleida's mental attack and is in deep fear.
Itsuki asks Sakura whether there's a way she can send the samples back to her HQ faster, but there's no solution. Akiha wonders why they ended up in Jupiter. Honoka explains that its because they got caught in Xanthippe's jump and was thrown to a stray location.
Anyone who watched some sort of sci-fi would know that unless you are set on a clear target, and propelled in the correct direction in sub/hyperspace, you'll end up else where. And its Jupiter not just because its Sunrise, its a sort of landmark in the mecha genre, almost every mecha anime that has space involved, will have Jupiter involved. And Jupiter is also the 2nd heaviest object in our solar system, its gravity would affect subspace drifters and pull them out of subspace, its like ocean drifters, ocean currents would dump overboard cargo in certain beaches over the world. There are many anime where people accidentally warp to jupiter.
Akiha apologizes for chasing after Nami. Itsuki says that Kagura and Nami are allies of Nerval. Akiha doesn't agree but wonders if its true, Honoka is in total denial, she does not believe Kagura is Aleida because she knows everything and she knows Kagura is dead. Itsuki then argues if she knows everything why didn't Honoka tell them anything in the first place and everything would not have turned out this way, Honoka says she has no right to know. Akiha tries to break up the argument but Itsuki blames Akiha for the one who started all this because she always charges recklessly. Akiha snaps back that she is only chasing after her sister and Itsuki who's parents have been taken away should understand.
Just then Tsutsuji breaks the fight but leaves in disappointment when she finds that her hijack is useless because they're at Jupiter. Sakura finds that Leopard and Benkei colonies have jumped to Jupiter as well. Most likely the colonies' self defense systems preventing themselves from crashing into Earth, automatically jumped. But without a Brain to designate coordinates, they got pulled out of subspace and ended up at Jupiter as well.
They head towards Leopard Colony, Akiha to Leopard room, Itsuki sees Honoka leaving for some other location and she heads to the library herself.
Itsuki knows how it feels to have family members taken away, but she blamed Akiha, she was feeling really bad. But the headless ghost came over and gave her comfort. Ul sees that Itsuki really likes the paranormal.
Honoka knows that Aleida was Kagura, she just cannot bring herself to accept it, she cries as she wonders why Kagura is doing this.
Akiha wonders why everything has become like this, but Leopard is making a scene. Leopard says that he trusted Kagura, but she became a traitor, he will not forgive her. She says Akiha will be the same, she will use and betray him like Kagura. Akiha has no idea what has gone into Leopard. Just then weird lightning is happening around the colony, everyone gathers and wonder what is happening.
Tom Bombadil
2009-04-22 12:14
^I was in a bad mood when I wrote that. No need to take anything tagged "rage" serious. Although that doesn't change my opinion that the episode is bad.
C.A., I do appreciate you effort of writing the summaries and translate info from the official sites. Very good read. However, no English sub is not a problem for me. English is not my first language. There are other fansubs.
I think I was so enthusiastic about this show because it was a great blend of pretty characters, mystery, whackiness, fan-service, etc. Now it just seems to be lacking in thoses aspects. I know the story has moved to a different phase, but it doesn't mean it has to be bland and boring. Ep 9 was a real filler, but at least it was funny.
Spoiler for ep16:
About this episode, how much the entire episode did they spent on the side characters? It is good to see one or two, but not over half of the episode?! I would challenge anyone except C.A. to name any of the student council members. As I said before, I don't care about them. The whole show has yet to give me a reason to care about them. The only logic reason that I can come up with the whole student council stuff is to give the viewers some idea how Neval is taking control and ruling Kirkwood. But we know that, it is expected, thus boring.
The episode does have some revelations. But for some reason they just lack impact. Neval can appear in a human form, OK. Neval is lawful evil and Nami is chaotic evil? Alright. Leopard's body is not burned in the atmosphere? Kind of expected out of ep12. That re-discovery the only part that I call plot development in the whole episode. The heroines have a fight and some soul searching? That's would have been a good thing if well executed. Unfortunately, they had to add pizza-hut in the mix.
By the way, it took Aleida 6 episodes(11-16) to deliver nami to Neval. Exciting plot development?
C.A.
2009-04-22 13:29
My mood was just as bad actually lol, I had to retype the summary halfway after accidentally closing the window, so I threw away some sentence structuring and stuff.
Spoiler for various stuff and info:
Well the Student Council is sort of a security group, that Shishidous placed in their school. Even in real life not many people care about the security guards guarding the buildings they live and work in. But even though they didn't seem to have much use at the first half of the story, they're starting to be involved. The Sorakake Question section also left a hint that the Student Council will get involved more.
The Student Council is also a group of unregistered QT-users, that's why they are not so happy to see Nina. But now the ICP, mainly Nina and the Student Council has got together on the same side, they may start to work together against Nerval.
Leopard didn't burn through the atmosphere because he was wearing that hat. He dived into the atmosphere hat first, which became an umbrella like dome shape, it also became his parachute for floating down to Earth, which he then got stuck on a tree.
Aleida was also asking Nami why was she still not decided, Nami seems to have some doubts. But she finally picked up the staff, what doubts does she have, we do not know and we are not sure whether she still has them. But whatever these doubts and thoughts are, it will benefit Nerval. Nerval is feeding on Nami's messed up mind and using it to be his weapon. Nerval is really feeding on negative thoughts of people, take a look at the OP for example.
Benkei:
Personality: Vain
Likes: Collecting mirrors
Weak Point: Irresolute
Inclination: M (I suppose masochism)
Xanthippe:
Personality: Greedy
Likes: Singing
Weak Point: Tone Death
Inclination: S (I suppose sadism)
Nerval is using the personalities of these 2 Brains, giving them satisfaction by allowing them to do things that pleases them. Benkei is given a new body, for his vanity, allows him to collect mirrors and gives him a partner, Tsutsuji that treats him badly, feeding his masochism.
Xanthippe is allowed to carry out the cruel acts of capturing humans and stuff. She is there to lead offensive operations and now paired with Nami, the both of them can go around destroying stuff.
The past 5 episodes we learnt about Kagura and Aleida, more questions brought up. We learnt what is Enigma, what happened after Kagura left Enigma and fought Nerval. We know what Akiha needs to search for. We learn more of Nerval's plans. We learnt what happened on Earth, what was the Terra Abduction. What is Honoka, the Existences and what are their involvement with the whole thing.
We learnt alot, not just these.
What we really need is discussion, which what this subforum is lacking. I'll be glad to answer as much as I can, I'm quite sure I can answer every single thing that has officially been answered lol, I literally have the entire website in my head, and I can check it up if needed.
SaintessHeart
2009-04-22 14:22
Spoiler for spoiler:
Actually I am starting to wonder what is exactly Honoka's attachment to Kagura. Maybe she sees the latter as a motherly figure of some sort? Itsuki might have more things in common with Honoka than all of us thought, after all.
P.S The show is lacking more and more in Sakura's questionable actions. I want them back!
Sixth
2009-04-22 19:58
I am surprised that guys is Nerval..
I mean, how he do that? He transform into a human or he just control the human-puppet from far away?
Fishfood1
2009-04-22 20:08
^if so, then i demand leopard get a human body soon, preferably the one back when he was emperor of the earth :heh:
C.A.
2009-04-22 22:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by noobita
(Post 2356661)
I am surprised that guys is Nerval..
I mean, how he do that? He transform into a human or he just control the human-puppet from far away?
Well, Brains are supposed to be giant Navis and have super powerful QT.
I'm not surprised if he can remote control a body similar to a Navi's Droid body.
Or you can think of Veda and Innovades.
Tokkan
2009-04-22 22:41
So Nerval is Ribbons Almark?
C.A.
2009-04-22 22:44
Nerval is a Brain Colony who cares for his residents so much and wants to give them such a wonderful society that he went overboard.
He became Ribbons + NHK + Pasder + Overdevil and maybe some more.
Sixth
2009-04-22 23:22
I have to admit that Nerval's goal was rather surprising...I mean, the 1st impression I got from his first appearance in episode 7 that He just a ruthless power-hunger freak.
The more they shown Nerval side, the more impression I got that Shishidoh is the one who twisted the story and a potential final villain :heh:
It would be a twist that Leopard is the final villain and his follower will known as Leopardist.
so CA..so what do your thought about Nerval-Human? Is it a remote puppet or he just transformed into a human form?
and for other Nervalist, they sure look sane to me....I always thought that they are emotionless puppet...perhaps, some of the human actually join Nerval own their own will, for the greater peace?