FFXII sequel announced
Well suprise suprise. Squeenix has begun ruthlessly milking its series. The commercial drive has begun, and I fear it will never get back.
http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q3-2006/091306a.html Not that I wouldn't buy it if it weren't a good game. But.. sigh. |
Not sure who's right here, but IGN has reported that the "sequel" you mention is actually a prequel for the DS:
http://ds.ign.com/articles/732/732509p1.html |
I'm suprised my topic was edited.... oh well.
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Models, worlds, textures and all can be easily reused without additional cost, and all they need is design new content. Even their hard-worked on battle system can be kept perfectly in place. Easy money. In contrast, working on a DS title would mean creating up from scratch. |
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I guess we'll wait for the dust to clear before saying anything definitive..
except that Squeenix are milking it. Putting on their farmer's gloves. Pulling a Nintendo. Squeezing blood from stone. |
What they have done to FFXII... It's made for Kids? O_o
A little making on SD and they will be for the Future Kingdom Hearts 3... Seriously this is a Big Spoil Inside Now we learn that Vann and Penelo are really Survive on FFXII :/ |
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And arias- I don't think they're milking anything until I play it. FFX-2 would probably qualify as milking it, but all of the newer FF7 projects DON'T qualify as milking it IMO because they all legitimately add to the world and story of FF7 |
Ah that now change all my mind :)
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The milking of FF7 is almost legendary by now. Going back to topic... Eventhough I dont have a DS, I am pretty interested in knowing more about this title. Let's just hope is a prequel and not a sequel. |
Yes, the new FF 7 spin offs and Advent Children are definately cash cows riding on the FF 7 success. I don't want to be like a troll, but I'm blunt about my opinion on FF 7: it is not the least in the series, nor, IMO, is it the best in the series, but I do definately think it is way over rated. I think many westerners think it is the pinnacle of J-RPGs because for many of them, it was the first RPG they ever played or spent a significant amount of play time with, and it blew them away and such (as should your first RPG :D).
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When I think of the term "milked", the first thing that comes to mind for me are those crappy games that always seem to accompany big budget hollywood movies. |
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As for FFVII: AC...while it won't win any awards for storytelling or whatnot, I did find it enjoyable. That and we've yet to see how the rest of the projects turn out: they could all end up scoring big, but they could also all end up striking out (or a mixture of both). So...while I don't want to actually use the term 'milking', it is quite obvious that Square-Enix is trying to capitalize on the popularity of the FFVII franchise. But, it's not like they're the first company to try to do that...so as long as the material that comes out is actually competent, I'll be fine with that. |
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What you're talking about -- the resulting quality, is more of a product from the milking process than anything else. Some people milk hastily and come out with rushed products and some milk slower because their development teams are rather large (Dirge of Cerberus obviously had to be built from ground up --- the same with AC). You're obviously misguided. |
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As to whether DoC and AC were good or not: I don't see how anybody can think that AC isn't a beautiful film. DoC isn't going to win any awards, but I thoroughly enjoyed it and thought it added narrative depth to the already established story. Certainly, it's easy to say that DoC is far superior to the crap that typically gets churned out to cash out on a licence. |
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A small nudge is degrees away from a brutal punch. But I won't be getting away with it anytime if I punched your mantits. AC being graphically beautiful had nothing to do with its content.. I don't think I ever raised a point about anyone contesting its beauty. It being a good film is a different concern entirely.. As for DoC. Well, think of Pokemon. Pokemon Silver, or Gold, or Emerald or whatever variation which is most recent is obviously a milking of the Pokemon series, wouldn't you agree? If you don't then the conversation ends here.. if you do, then it's obvious that none of the later variations are crappy poo poo compared to the original, but it's still an obvious nipple pinching milk pumping exercise. Let's have an additional test. If FFVII didn't do well in sales, would all of these have come out? Would the producers be content to draw upon the thickness and goodness of what formed FFVII's core to creae more spin-off products for something that sold, say, only 200,000 copies worldwide? |
How many years has it been since the release of ff VII? Quite a few, eh?
Milking a product's success means to quickly release a whole bunch of related products that capitalize on a success while it is still hot. (It is done immediately since popularity is usually fleeting.) As a result most of the secondary products are sub-standard, but their quality has nothing to do with the accusation of "milking." Once the original product's popularity wans, then the secondary products are simply forgotten. In this case, FF7 was released many years ago. Despite those years, it is still hot and fans have been calling for more ever since. To release related products now is not called "milking a cash cow," it is called "bowing to fan pressure." If they were "milking" it as some of you say, then these products would have been released long ago, before FFVII withstood the test of time. |
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Square did not have an attitude of producing direct sequels or related games to existing standing products.. however, things have changed since they became Squeenix and the Enix president took over as Preisdent of Squeenix. Remember, FFX seemed to have been designed as a standalone with an ambiguous ending, but it was the first ever game to have the milking process start on it. It makes sense that the regime change saw the tit milking come in at full speed. That's why they're only milking FF7 retroactively. Perhaps creating AC the movie would be bowing the fan pressure, but capitalizing on that along with the FFVII handphone game, FFVII: Core Crisis for the PSP, and Dirge of Cerberus? That's not bowing to fan pressure; that's profit maximizing. It's also why Squeenix is considering producing episodic material to squeeze profits, and why FFXIII is going to have so many lines of product that are drawn upon a single shared "myth". Remember, I'm not accusing SQUARE of milking, but SQUEENIX. P.S. FFVII was created by Squaresoft. Not Square-Enix. Edit: I got my facts wrong; the Square president went on to become the Squeenix president. What remains is my thrust that the milking happened only after FFX. And guess what, the Square president Yoichi Wada joined in 2000, the year of FFX's release. http://www.square-enix.com/jp/company/e/officer/ |
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It seems to me that perhaps SE realized that even in the post-FFVII era, their seventh is still arguably their biggest success in terms of popularity. Maybe they were hoping to repeat that with the succeeding Final Fantasies, but eventually when they looked back at their past creations, they went "Well, there's that FFVII we made back then, you know..." Quote:
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FFX was NOT milked. People demanded more because they wanted a happy ending. They questioned the ending and wanted more of Yuna (and Tidus). And so they got it. Frankly, I think the game was almost as deep storywise as FFX and did have its heartjerking moments, but other than that, it really was quite cute. Yuna was nothing short of beautiful, Rikku was more hyperactive than ever, and Paine provided some form of darkness to an almost otherwise YAAAAAAAAAAY YUNA GOGOGO game. I mean so long as you play it for the continuation of a great story, you would NOT be disappointed. Frankly, I'm a sucker for a tidus/yuna story, because Yuna always did deserve a happy ending after all that she'd gone through.
FF7 AC was beautiful, yes, but after all the flash was over, I stepped back and said "so...what the hell did that movie achieve?" And the answer more or less was a big nothing. There wasn't so much as a Cloud x Tifa development, with almost every other character taking an absolute back seat, some not even having their names mentioned more than once. It was just a big GOGO CLOUD KICK ASS LAWLAWLZ movie, though while it lasted, it was hella enjoyable... (70:00 to 84:12 or something is just 14 of the best movie minutes I have EVER seen). |
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