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Madoka Magica - Character Discussion - Kyubei

The purpose of this thread is to provide a place to discuss all things Kyuube related.

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He's basically a mixture of JC Staff Cat designs, all the Dragonets from Narutaru and Gauron's arm slave design from Full Metal Panic.

By seeing some fans' reactions, to be honest I've never seen an (often literal) demonization of a character so early for something so cute.:heh:

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Originally Posted by Saturn Beaver (Post 3444215)

By seeing some fans' reactions, to be honest I've never seen an (often literal) demonization of a character so early for something so cute.:heh:

True. It's not so often that "mascot characters" are suspected of being evil. Even though he's very cute (is he male of female? I'm not even sure), there's something that doesn't feel right about him. For one, he never blinks nor opens his mouth, and he watches little girls sleep... that's pretty creepy if you ask me :p

I don't think I've ever immediately thought of a cute mascot character as a suspicious bastard right off the bat as I have with Kyubey. Maybe it's the paranoia of knowing who the writer is but that little critter had me on full guard on the first episode itself and nothing so far has made me feel otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Kanon (Post 3444237)

I think he is a male with a little boy's voice judging by what I'm hearing from his voice actor. But he is telepathically communicating with the magical girls since there is really no need to use his mouth since no one except magical girls can see him. But watching little girls sleep is scary indeed..

For me, the reason for disliking this critter is because of his resemblance to Koyemshi from Bokurano. His role, mannerisms, sweet talk and overall look especially his unblinking eyes makes him very untrustworthy.

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watches little girls sleep

also this.

Did you see his expression when Mami died? Yeah, I didn't either.

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Originally Posted by Asterisk (Post 3448228)

Did you see his expression when Mami died? Yeah, I didn't either.

This is immediately after the witch drops Mami's body the first time (prior to diving for it and presumably eating it).

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Lest you think Kyuube is only capable of that evil smiley face:

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For some reason hate that creepy little guy. The watching girl's sleep part aside, certainly a lack of reaction at Mami's death. Sure can twist it at worry about the other girls, but seemed more like he was thinking "chance!"

At first I felt that Kyubey's timing when he approached Mami to contract her was a little convenient, but then I recalled how it was explained that witches curses are strong around traffic accidents and such, so I can't help but think Kyubey goes around to places like that to look for miserable little girls to contract with. This may not be too far fetched considering he comes of as an opportunistic little bastard who seems to care more about contracts. Bet he was all "Oh yay, dying little girl spotted~ :3" when he saw Mami.

Finally I get enough information to make a post about Kyubey XD

Spoiler for Kyubey:

I don't think we should outright assume that Kyubey is pure evil/the devil/out to kill magical girls. Kyubey is supicious, alright, but I don't think he is the big bad. It's more than likely that he's a minion working for a higher power and has an agenda determined by said higher power. Whether or not he enjoys this agenda, or makes his own tweaks to it, is unclear. Kyubey cannot simply be out to kill magical girls: that would take far, far too much work and he's had his chances to kill them off already. What would be the point of extensively training someone to become a magical girl if he can bestow powers without a contract? Mami stated that she didn't have a choice in the matter of becoming a magical girl, which leads to the assumption that Kyubey forced the powers on her. Unless there are only certain circumstances when he can do that, he could just give Madoka and Sayaka powers and kill them off easily. It just seems like too much work for a simple goal: really, if Kyubey is as powerful as most speculate he is, he could have killed off the girls, including Mami, already.

I think another point we tend to over look is that Kyubey is probably not the only contractor there is. Mami mentioned that Kyubey is a contractor and implied that there are quite of few of them around. There would have to be if Homura says there is some kind of game going on. It's another reason why it's unlikely that Kyubey is merely planning to kill the girls off.

So what are his true intentions? Well, I'm not completely sure. Obviously, there is a higher agenda going on here: Homura mentions it and we can guess that the true existence of magical girls and witches are not what they appear. There could be a feud between girls and witches or it could be something more sinister, like genocide to some extent (the mass killing of witches would leads me to that conclusion). What I think is that some higher power who has not appeared or even been mentioned yet (it's entirely possible that Mami and Homura knew something was up but didn't know the extent of it) is behind all of this. This power is creating contractors to go out and coerce girls to become either magical girls or witches. This could all be part of a sinister game the higher power is playing: who will come out on top? I think we need to assume that the problems of magical girls go far beyond Kyubey. He is certainly part of the game but I highly doubt he is the mastermind behind it.

Personally, I want to see some more contractors and see the cast of characters expand beyond the main five we have know (not including witches as they only appear for one episode).

I think you're completely missing the point, Genten. It's not Kyubey's intention to _kill_ Magical Girls, it's his intention to _create_ them. He is trying to keep this system running because its rules inherently ensure that every girl joining it LOSES. By creating Magical Girls, he's creating persons who will eventually turn into witches and die.

He doesn't want to directly interfere, because he doesn't need to. It's the system which is doing the dirty work. He's only trying to keep the engine running, by adding more and more girls to it. They're merely fuel that is processed by the meatgrinder.

imagine how that annoyingly unchanging look on his face finally morphs into a wide maniacal grin akin to light's 0_O

but in any case,i still consider that the other twist includes him to be actually an innocent character despite being the most suspicious of all.XD

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Originally Posted by Asterisk (Post 3448228)

Did you see his expression when Mami died? Yeah, I didn't either.

What expression? Qべ has always the same expression, it is a pulsie, and keeping the same expression adds to the whole speculation about its motivtion, since it is impossible to tell apart his feelings by his non-existant expressions :p

Uhh .. I'm just wondering what is the REAL name of this creature ? The title says Kyuube, wiki says Kyubey and I swear i've seen one more alternative somewhere .. :x

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Originally Posted by Dist (Post 3451594)

Uhh .. I'm just wondering what is the REAL name of this creature ? The title says Kyuube, wiki says Kyubey and I swear i've seen one more alternative somewhere .. :x

Title goes by Japanese Pronunciation (キュゥべえ, Kyuubee) Wiki goes by regular pronunciation (Kyubey) so if you want the real name, I would go with the Japanese Pronunciation. Either doesn't really affect anything.

This post contains speculation

Im not sold that he is "evil" yet, he may just be morally gray. Witches are bad and cause problems, only magical girls can kill witches. So he finds them to do just that and offers them candy (wish) as incentive. After this, they are trapped as a magical girl forever (? no idea) and have to fight witches until they die. It could be, he just doesn't care that he's ruining their lives as long as the overall goal of "kill witches" is done in the process and...it kind of has to be done either way right?

In any case, there are a few questions we need first answered to know more

1) where do witches come from?
2) how long does being magical girl last? forever?
3) what happens to depleted soul gems/do they deplete on their own without being used?

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2) how long does being magical girl last? forever?

Well here is my guess on this one, I believe that magical girls generally last forever. Otherwise Mami would have set a goal for herself, and wouldn't feel so much pressure on herself. Also, we don't generally know how long Mami has been a magical girl, so when she was out of that crisis it could have been possible that she has been a magical girl for a long time that if there was a time limit, it would have expired.

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3) what happens to depleted soul gems/do they deplete on their own without being used?

I believe the depleted soul gems generally mean the end of the person, I think they don't deplete on their own. But the magical girls are forced into combat with witches that make them use magic, so it doesn't last forever.

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Originally Posted by Dist (Post 3451594)

Uhh .. I'm just wondering what is the REAL name of this creature ? The title says Kyuube, wiki says Kyubey and I swear i've seen one more alternative somewhere .. :x

Kyubey is the official spelling.

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