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sky black swordman 2013-07-09 17:58
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Originally Posted by dxd22 (Post 4753244)
Guys remember the afterword of volume 13 the top 10 strongest is already written there...and sirzech and ajuka will also be in the top ranks if they're serious , though its a bit unexpected the two heavenly dragon are not included in the top 10
The reason for that is that those are the current top ten rankings. If you recall it was once said that God from the bible was the strongest of all the Gods. It's safe to assume that he would also be in that top ten ranking, but he isn't because he died. Ddraig and Albion in their original forms are said to stronger than God, so they should have been included in the top ten ranking too. But they are due to them being sealed in SGs and having a limiter (curse/seal) being placed on them, preventing them from accessing their full power. And to top it of their hosts have yet to master their power.

Kirihara_R 2013-07-10 00:15
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Originally Posted by sky black swordman (Post 4753532)
The reason for that is that those are the current top ten rankings. If you recall it was once said that God from the bible was the strongest of all the Gods. It's safe to assume that he would also be in that top ten ranking, but he isn't because he died. Ddraig and Albion in their original forms are said to stronger than God, so they should have been included in the top ten ranking too. But they are due to them being sealed in SGs and having a limiter (curse/seal) being placed on them, preventing them from accessing their full power. And to top it of their hosts have yet to master their power.
These things always confuse me, because of the explanation ddraig give to isse at volume 3 im under the impression that the 2 original heavenly dragons power can only rivaled god and the maou but not stronger than them...

DrakeKnight 2013-07-10 00:37
The fact that the three side of fallen angel and heaven and devils need to team up to with their armies to take to the two heavenly dragons tell u the god in the bible and old maou are scared of them

sky black swordman 2013-07-10 19:02
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Originally Posted by dxd22 (Post 4753801)
These things always confuse me, because of the explanation ddraig give to isse at volume 3 im under the impression that the 2 original heavenly dragons power can only rivaled god and the maou but not stronger than them...
Yes, but the later volumes state that the Heavenly Dragons (Ddraig and Alibion) were stronger that God and the 4 Maou.
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Originally Posted by DrakeKnight (Post 4753816)
The fact that the three side of fallen angel and heaven and devils need to team up to with their armies to take to the two heavenly dragons tell u the god in the bible and old maou are scared of them
Of course they were, they were stronger than them. So much so that they referred to them as monsters and loathsome existences.

DrakeKnight 2013-07-10 19:21
But the problem now is that none of the top 10 belong to the "bible" faction not really the ideal position considering "bible" faction pretty much control the world

GDB 2013-07-10 19:29
Aren't Sirzechs and Ajuka in the top 10?

sky black swordman 2013-07-10 19:56
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Originally Posted by GDB (Post 4754522)
Aren't Sirzechs and Ajuka in the top 10?
In their normal states, no. But when they're in their "True Forms", yes they would be included in the top ten.

Drkz 2013-07-12 12:21
Spoiler for Kiba Route?:

Somethindarker 2013-07-12 22:01
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Originally Posted by sky black swordman (Post 4754539)
In their normal states, no. But when they're in their "True Forms", yes they would be included in the top ten.
Only Sirzechs has been shown in his true form. I don't think anything has been revealed from Ajuka. Am I missing something?

XFire 2013-07-13 00:11
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Originally Posted by Somethindarker (Post 4756659)
Only Sirzechs has been shown in his true form. I don't think anything has been revealed from Ajuka. Am I missing something?
Ajuka is described by people who know of Sirzechs "destruction form" as being Sirzechs equal. He is also referred to as a super-devil, which is something only Sirzechs and one other (unknown) person can claim.

Somethindarker 2013-07-13 00:21
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Originally Posted by XFire (Post 4756778)
Ajuka is described by people who know of Sirzechs "destruction form" as being Sirzechs equal. He is also referred to as a super-devil, which is something only Sirzechs and one other (unknown) person can claim.
I know that, let me rephrase "has Ajuka been revealed to have another "form" like Sirzechs?" to my knowledge he's just an incredibly high controller/technique type waaay beyond what Sirzechs is capable of, in way of technique that is.

NoirX 2013-07-13 02:36
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Originally Posted by Somethindarker (Post 4756791)
I know that, let me rephrase "has Ajuka been revealed to have another "form" like Sirzechs?" to my knowledge he's just an incredibly high controller/technique type waaay beyond what Sirzechs is capable of, in way of technique that is.
Correction to that. Not technique but equation. His magic altering that is shown in the fight against the Khaos Brigade under Siegfried's command is from altering the equation of the magic circle.

Somethindarker 2013-07-13 03:02
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Originally Posted by NoirX (Post 4756898)
Correction to that. Not technique but equation. His magic altering that is shown in the fight against the Khaos Brigade under Siegfried's command is from altering the equation of the magic circle.
Well ladee-f*cking-da!!!
LOL j/k yea it's been a while I just figured it was under technique since his control of magic was just overwhelming. But Ajuka is pretty OP in what's been shown of him thus far.

NoirX 2013-07-13 03:11
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Originally Posted by Somethindarker (Post 4756921)
Well ladee-f*cking-da!!!
LOL j/k yea it's been a while I just figured it was under technique since his control of magic was just overwhelming. But Ajuka is pretty OP in what's been shown of him thus far.
Comparing Ajuka and Sirzechs is like comparing a genius and a natural-talented born person(actually that might be the case :p).

sky black swordman 2013-07-13 05:39
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Originally Posted by Somethindarker (Post 4756659)
Only Sirzechs has been shown in his true form. I don't think anything has been revealed from Ajuka. Am I missing something?
Sorry about that, and no, you are not. I am under the assumption that Ajuka may also possess a "True form" like Sirzechs.

Tchadnis 2013-07-13 07:01
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Originally Posted by sky black swordman (Post 4757006)
Sorry about that, and no, you are not. I am under the assumption that Ajuka may also possess a "True form" like Sirzechs.
i dont know if Ajuka has a "true form" but i think it more like when he take thing seriously , that when he show his true power .; the few times they showed him he looked more or less laid back , kinda , free spirited not really carry much , just focusing on his game ..

NoirX 2013-07-13 07:06
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Originally Posted by sky black swordman (Post 4757006)
Sorry about that, and no, you are not. I am under the assumption that Ajuka may also possess a "True form" like Sirzechs.
I don't think that Ajuka has a "True Form" since Sirzechs father already said that his son is the only exception who differs from another devil. Ajuka might be on the same monster class as Sirzechs, but he doesn't have special traits other than his exceptional intellect.

G147 2013-07-13 09:17
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Originally Posted by NoirX (Post 4757069)
I don't think that Ajuka has a "True Form" since Sirzechs father already said that his son is the only exception who differs from another devil. Ajuka might be on the same monster class as Sirzechs, but he doesn't have special traits other than his exceptional intellect.
If i'm not mistaken didn't Lord Gremory referred to both Sirzechs and Ajuka when he was saying that they are irregularity among the Devils and can't fit into any other position beside being a Maou.

NoirX 2013-07-13 10:47
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Originally Posted by G147 (Post 4757154)
If i'm not mistaken didn't Lord Gremory referred to both Sirzechs and Ajuka when he was saying that they are irregularity among the Devils and can't fit into any other position beside being a Maou.
This is what Lord Gremory said exactly to Azazel
Spoiler for Azazel and Lord Gremory's conversation:


At that time Lord Gremory only refer to Sirzechs as being a mutation of a devil. Ajuka isn't included in the mutation part but is included indirectly as Super Devils by Azazel.

cyberdemon 2013-07-13 19:59
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Originally Posted by NoirX (Post 4757234)
This is what Lord Gremory said exactly to Azazel
Spoiler for Azazel and Lord Gremory's conversation:


At that time Lord Gremory only refer to Sirzechs as being a mutation of a devil. Ajuka isn't included in the mutation part but is included indirectly as Super Devils by Azazel.
Ajuka is to Sirzechs as Kiba is to Ise. Ise's an abnormality to devils just like Sirzechs. Ajuka and Kiba had trained with the two of them first hand so while they aren't abnormal their growth is FAR faster because they have the best training partners and it takes everything they can muster to keep up.


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