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Just wanted to let people know that vol 5 was updated, still amazed at the power the gremory group hold
PS thnx for these threads mods

I'm going to check it out, I need to update myself in the High School DxD world to familiarize what has happened.

even though i know Akeno was just playing with Ise while they were on the train about her saying "he might get in trouble for touching Rias intimately" i think that may have gone abit overboard on Akeno's part (though Ise's reaction was hilarious).

Akeno have been playing with Ise or she be trying to make ise only do ecchi things to her and only touch her. It maybe possiable she is subconsciously trying monopolize his atttention. In simple terms It maybe Akeno's way of saying " only do these things with me ok".


Think about when in vol 6 Ise on koneko's word asked Akeno to go on a date with him and rias got mad . Akeno told rias to give up on Ise and the love between the two (Ise and Akeno) is stronger than (Ise and Rias), she was proably teasing rias but subconsciously you never know agirls hard to understand.

Oh i know, i got that feeling too, it's just, idk, feels like in that scene she is trying to do "that" to Ise. I know in reality she isn't it just gives that feeling, light though it may be (although when i think about her wanting to be the "affair partner" that does make the action remotely understandable as she's trying to perform that role).

Why would it be subconscious?

In Volume 4, Akeno already decided to be Number Three.
She knows exactly what she is doing.

@zzhk I guess with me old habits die hard, despite how awesome Akeno is and how this is a harem series with a true harem end as the final goal, i guess i still hold that state of "i dislike when someone tries to stop the mc's affection towards another so they can have the affection themselves", Akeno is still my 2nd fav girl in Ise's harem it's just i'm having a hard time getting past the fact that the position she is going for is the one that does "that" cause in most cases "that" is unacceptable but in this case it is in a very strange yet awesome way.

Dont forget that in vol 4 she said "I have decided. I, have decided. Ise-kun, do you like Rias?”

“Eh!? U-um, y-yes, of course I like her!”

“……..That’s a given, right, she’s serious as well so legal wife is impossible. There’s a possibility of Asia-chan being the legal wife as well so……. The first and second position can’t be shaken I guess……”

Dont you think if Rias and asia were not serious about Ise she would aim for top spot .

If she could but can't would aim to be Ise 1 after all though she maybe teasing or provoking rias she did say “I am really jealous of the number 1 candidate Rias Buchou.”

I think she like the affair thing or affair point because she like's provoking
rias jealousy and also because of her S side.


On another subject , I have wonder what would have happend if Ise and Akeno in vol 7 during their date when they went to the love hotel did go in and had sex what would have happend between the two would they have become a couple and what would rias and the other girls have done or reacted or felt ? What are your guys thought's on this?

@Sky hard to say, very hard. i can't help but have this feeling that Rias would have found them at the last second and stopped them somehow, she's not stupid, she'd probably figure out that since Akeno is highly seductive and loves stealing things from her (especially Ise) that since Akeno has now stolen the first date and they ditched them while they were pursuing them, that she must be trying to steal the biggest thing she can from Rias, thus she'd instantly send everyone to all nearby love hotels looking for the two and (due to plot) Rias would find them in a room naked about to get it on when she appears aura blazing and probably punishing both Ise and Akeno severly.

Yeah. I get want your saying and agree with you. I can think it would be some thing like this Ise and Akeno both naked Ise preparing to insert "it" in Akeno and then rias comes in.:heh:

But I wonder if they had done it already when she found them or found them while they were having sex what would have happen then?

one thing I do know is that Akeno and Ise would no longer be virgins in both cases.:heh:

@sky If that's the case i'm pretty sure Rias would demand that Ise take her virginity at that moment, obviously she won't take no for an answer even if she showed up with the entire harem she'd probably declare that (of course then we'd have Akeno parading around flaunting the fact that she took Ise's first in front of everyone resulting in never ending death glares for Ise). At least when he finally does it with Rias it's pretty obvious he won't receive death glares from any of the main harem (his friends and the school, that's another story).

HAHAHAHA Dude did you say " Rias would demand that Ise take her virginity at that moment" would that not mean akeno would be watching?

And " Akeno parading around flaunting the fact that she took Ise's first" I can see her doing that and her saying" no matter what you do rias I will always and forever be his first . He took mine and I took his " .

Of course rias will pissed and saying something like "FINE THEN I WILL BE THE ONE WHO HAS HAD SEX WITH ISE MORE THEN ONCE AND HAVE HIS FIRST CHILD HOW ANOUT THAT !".

Then I can see Xenovia chiming in saying " Wait a moment Rias Buchou thats my position I will have Ise's child".

Asia then comes in to the argument saying all teary eyed saying ' No! I want to bear Ise san's child".

Then Akeno counters with this statement " But I already had sex with Ise for all you know I can already be pregnant".

Rias and the other reaction::eyespin:

I highly doubt Ise will succeed losing his virginity because of his constant nosebleeds. It could be possible, but until he keeps them in control then insert Guile theme. Oh yes, didn't he already troll Raiser in a epic way by saying that he'll take or Rias's virginity will belong to him? God I love that part.

dragonroots@ Honestly i have to agree with you 2 here (you and sky black swordman) . Still you ask something like the one I have ask in the old topic some time ago. And i have to admit i do ask myself what would happen If Ise and Akeno do *that* that time. But time ago i ask myself(and even ask on the topic) what would happen if Rias in vol 2 ,after Ise say his epic line and after he won again Raizer and say all those thing to Rias when they where on the griffin, what would happen if Rias say something like*Wait Ise. I have to take what you say before and what you say now as a confession of love?* pity she don't say this that time in vol 2. Anyway even if this are good question to ask we will never know what would happen if this 2(the one you say about akeno and the one i say about rias)really happen at that time. But at least now the situation seem become better and we know pretty well what Ise feel toward both of them and what this 2 feel toward him(then again this can be say about Asia and Koneko as well).

Deikan@he say *Rias Gremory Sama virginity belong to me* before Raizer ,Rias brother and all the pure devil that where there.lol
Talk about epic line.
About the nosebleeds ...i'm sure this will not stop Ise to lose is virginity with Rias and the other.I mean they already try more than one time also there is always the heal section in vol 10. the girls where naked and i don't remember Ise have nosebleeds that time. The same can be say about the sauna scene.(with Rias even if end badly).

Well the chance for him to "graduate" is still within his grasp. In his case it's either you shoot or reload, and we all know what Ise will be gunning for.

and maybe because he now has dragon pheromones, a lot of mythological females would want to get a hold of that gene of his.

No kinding DxD genes and heavenly dragon Genes and maybe ouroboros dragon gemes. His "seed" will more valuble now then ever before.
And the status that comes with being the child of the oppai dragon.:heh:

I don't how they'll even manage to finish sleeping with him,He'll just collapse from lack of blood as usual,probably

I think you guys are too much deat set about his nosebleed . that part it's more like for comedy. He don't have every time the nosebleed like I already say I don't remember he have again nosebleed in the sauna scene(with a naked RIas ready to do *that*) or in the heal scene. I think he get more and more use on them(the girls) and will not have nosebleed anymore.

@Soji yeah she was off-limits, but when you got the mother of the girl of your dreams in front of you and she is just as attractive as her it is IMPOSSIBLE to not steal glances. And also do you really think Verenera would let any guy even approach her, i mean she is "The Brunette Madame of Extinction" pretty sure that name alone will scare away all but the strongest of beings. She may even be able to prevent any more girls from joining Ise's harem if she exerts a strong enough aura, she may even be able to revert Ise's rep in school (she just gives off that air to me).

Venerana gives off an aura of someone you wouldn't want to piss off. Pretty evident that she is the one who controls the Gremory household, though pretty sure all the females in the Gremory Family holds all the power. From what we learn from vol 5, Ise has surpassed Rias' father, so the speculation could be that Rias' mother is stronger than her husband.

dragonroots @ Agree with this. Verenera really give that feeling.
Reaper@ Agree with this .

Also we know that Verenera it's good to teach or at leat this is what we know thanks to Ise.

@Reaper I've watched my mom deal with 2 husbands (my dad and step-dad), both were whipped and the second is clearly physically stronger than her and she still holds ALL the power in the relationship. It may not be that Verenera is stronger than her husband (though i don't doubt she is with that nickname) but that as with most men we don't want to lose our "exclusive spot" so we end up doing whatever the woman wants to gain access to said spot (we already have seen Ise lose his room to Rias when he upset her, that was a small sample of what she can eventually hold hostage from him).

Venerana really intrigues me due to the fact she changed a lot throughout the entire Novel. In vol 5 when she was first introduce, I pretty much dislike her because the way she first talked about Ise was like he wasn't good enough for Rias and the family. Fast forward to the end of vol 5, she accepted him as a family. Vol 9, she gives a first time normal cute expression than the strict and stern we used of reading. Then vol 10 she encourage Rias to make Ise hers and bring him to the family. It is pretty understandable why she suddenly changed her perspective of Ise considering what he has done.

@Reaper yeah but don't parents usually hate who their kids date, especially rich ones that have their kid dating some nobody who's piss poor and has no social status. I'd say that they acted accordingly, kinda show a face that says accept him while watching his every move waiting for him to slip up, Ise showed Rias' parents by the end of the novel that he is strong enough to protect their daughter, and he genuinely cares about her and her family.

Well to me I am surprise Rias still has a good relationship with her family after all they tried to force her to marry someone she did not love or like or stand. She understood their reason's but even so to forgive them so quicky is surprising.

I mean her dad , mom , brother, and sister in law were forcing her to marry raizer just so she could "make" more pure blood children and that
" these children will be important from now on" .

I mean come on Rias can you forgive them after all that they put you through.


All though it end the way it did with her brother and sister in law helping Ise stop the marriage dont forget they were originally on board with whole thing.

I am also surprise at Ise forgiving nature I mean he also dislike the fact that her family was forcing her to marry to raizer and for rias family for putting rias through the whole ordeal.

And he also forgave Rias after she slap him and telling him to abandon asia not once but twice .

Of course their where reasons why they had to leave her the first time and when he went back to school to report what had happened to him and asia and tells her he wants to save her , she says no and but continues to try persuade her to let gim go save asia she slaps him and still says no and tell him she is their enemy to forget about her and let her die. Although they did ended up going to saving asia in the end and did save her that does not change the fact Aisa did die.

I could see Ise leaving to save Asia in the same way ichigo did to save orihime in bleach disobeying order's to save her.

At the time when the whole asia situation happend remmember he just admire and liked her because she save him or because she was the one of school's Idols he did not love her. I am surprise did not Ise show a little resentment toward Rias after for the whole thing.

The same can be said for Rias and her whole forced engagement to raizer I thought she would at least shown some resentment toward her family.

@sky keep in mind Sirzechs gave Ise the gryphon as a last resort to save his sister, he DID NOT want her to marry Raiser, all the time he was trying to find a way to save her since (being the siscon he is) he only wanted Rias to be happy, her happiness to him means more than the entire underworld, i wouldn't be surprised if he gave up his position of Maou just to save his sister.

Yeah but dont forget he also had a hand in the engagement. Remember his name was mentioned by Grayfia and raizer when they talk about rias getting married to raizer. And he help only after the RG.
And in vol 11 although It may not mean anything but Azazel said in a joking manner “……Y-you are right. Maybe rushing things is the bad part of the males in Gremory…….. Cough.”

He also wanted rias to marry raizer. And why did he wait until the the RG ended or more to the point why did have a hand in the whole engagement.
And how can you say you love your sister and want her to be happy and then force her to marry someone she does not love and put her through the whole ordeal.

Sirzechs changed his mind after he saw how Ise fought raizer and no matter how much he got beat down by raizer he still stood back up even after he paased out.

Not quite, he was trying to help Rias all those time but he can't do it directly because of his position as Maou. If he openly helps Rias to break her engagement, it will reflect on his reputation as Maou which is why he decides to make Ise break the engagement so Sirzechs can help indirectly to break the engagement by making execuse that he wants to see Sekiryutei's power against Phoenix while offering Ise a prize for winning the fight in confidence Ise will use the prize to save Rias

@sky black swordsman
Sirzechs position as Maou comes first before personal feelings and while he doesn't want his sister to marry someone she does not like, marriages between pure-bloods would benefit devil society as a whole (nobles would be pleased, strong offspring etc). Rias herself understands that as well, having grown up as a high-class devil, so she doesn't hold it against her family.

Sirzechs understands Ise's loyalty towards Rias, but he could only make the Sekiryutei vs Phenex gamble because Ise is the Sekiryutei, a force which they can't simply disregard. If Kiba / Akeno / Koneko tried to break it off, they would be simply ignored and led out the hall.

And even the rest of Rias family: yes, it's true they forced her to marry a guy for whom she didn't have any feelings.
But the truth of the matter was that after the engagement was broken up by Ise, they went and followed her wishes for the one she would marry and even accepted her target future husband (in this case Ise), so finding motives for forgiving them doesn't seem that unnatural for that, although they will not accept another broken off marriage so either she marries Ise or it's back to the original plan (they are nobles so it isn't that outrageous doing that).
As for the hole Asia situation, the first time she stops Ise it was for good reasons, the second time is because she was planning on going to save her but didn't want Ise, still a new-born devil and with a weak SG, to enter battle seeing it was against a Fallen-Angel that already killed and wounded him gravely (by this order), so I also understand that part.
If Rias really didn't want to rescue Asia, she wouldn't have made her her bishop, thus exhausting her bishop pieces. At least that's the way I see it.

@Spider True she didn't want Ise to go save her after Asia was recaptured, but she realized that Ise wasn't going to take no for an answer so she told him (albeit very discreetly) how to use his powers more efficiently. But something tells me, she also had a feeling that Ise's sacred gear was stronger than a twice critical (he consumed 8 pieces after all) and knowing that SG reacts to the users emotions, sent him in hoping to figure out why he was worth 8 pieces, which she did (though she covered it up well, i get the feeling she was jumping for joy on the inside thinking "YAY, i got a longinus user as my servant, i'm so lucky".

It was a matter of: "You are a Pawn that consumed all my 8 pieces, I'm not going to let you go and just be killed off; since I can't stop you at least let me give you some advice to help you in combat". That's the way I see it at least.
And yeah, when she found out/confirmed his sacred gear abilities, she would have jumped of joy if she were alone with him, I'm certain.

@Spider I've watched way too much anime, i'm imagining a mini-Rias (not loli) jumping around everytime she gets happy now or fuming when she gets mad (rescued from engagement, first kiss, Akeno seduction attempts, sharing him in the bath, confession scene).

NoirX, Awrya, Darth SpiderDen

On the subject of Sirzechs position as Maou comes first before personal feelings I Understand because of his position and because of devil society he could not interfere and directly to break off the engagement. So he could only help indirectly help stop the engagement.

But like I said before he was not only mentioned by Rias but Grayfia and Raizer as someone who agreed to the engagement. . These lines tells you that

“Everyone such as the master, Sirzechs-sama and the people from the house of Phenex knew it would become like this. To tell you the truth this was to be the last discussion meeting. Everyone knew that it wouldn’t be solved, so they decided to make a last resort.”

“I felt something uneasy when I heard that Raiser was chosen as my fiancé. Yes, I think otou-sama and the others chose him in case something like this were to happen. They chose Raiser so I will have no choice left. Even if it becomes a match between households, they knew that there was no way for me to win.”

This tells you he wanted the marriage to happen and know that Rias would resist the marriage. Althoght he did help in the end I will let this one slide but the father and mother are a different story

dragonroots
On subject of her being happy and " jumping for joy on the inside thinking "YAY, i got a longinus user as my servant, i'm so lucky". If she
thought this when she reincarnated him in to a devil in the beginning it would have hurt Issei a lot and he may have resented her only bring him back to life only because he had the BG longinus and left her and the group.


If i remember correctly many servents of high class devils in vol 12 turn on their masters becuase they where turned in to or reincarnated in to devils because of their SG.

@sky do you REALLY think Ise would have hated her? I don't, and besides she even admitted to him that she revived him because of his value of 8 pawns, and it isn't the reason why she revived him that matters, it's how she treats him, tell me something, putting aside Rias' awesome body, if she revived you purely because you had the potential of 8 pawns, would you get angry at her that she revived you only because of that, i know i wouldn't.

True. But Ise is not that smart at the start of series right. If Ise was smarter I wouldnt be surprise Ise did not question Rias and say " Hey wait you knew I had a SG. So did you bring me back to life because of my SG that consumed 8 pawn pieces?
Here is another question he may have asked Rias " Hey Buchou did also know I was in contact with a fallen angel and might try to kill me?

In the Anime it shows Rias was more then aware of Ise and there was something different about him or may a SG holder and keep a close eye on him and made the decision to make him her servent.

So tell dont you think he would have hurt by this?
Of course it did not happen like that.
But dont you think if this was the situation Issei would have been hurt and then the question would have been what would have Ise done?

@sky black swordman The one arranging the engagement is Mr.Gremory and Mr.Phoenix, Sirzechs in this case just give his approval because he can't oppose directly which doesn't imply he agreed to it. Its like a president have to agree to a planned engagement of his family member(can't direcly oppose but opposed it indirecly)

sky black swordman @From what we know about Ise from all this vol . I dubt he would act like you say. Also ,i think Rias show more than one time how much she care about ise. Hell from vol 2 she totally fall for him.I think the Rias(and that can be say for the other as well) make pretty clear in this vol what they think about Ise and that they not like/care about him because the Sg but because who he is.
About the marriage thing i agree with NoirX and the other that say like him. Sirzechs don't want that the marriage happen, but he can't do anything at that time and he know that no one in the gremory group can do anything. That's why,when he see how Ise was determined he chose to trust him for Rias sake. I think Graifya word when she give the seal with the griffon inside to Ise where clear enough about this. Also we know pretty well what he think about Ise now ...Sirzechs see Ise a his own little brother.