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Originally Posted by Frenchie
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Why do you have to be so realistic, Hunter..
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I'd like to give credit to this idea really, I always thought it would be great to make Tobi succeed so Naruto and a few others would be turned into the rebellion forced to hide and fight former comrades and the entire might of the ninja world so they would be the underdog for a change.
But I also can't help but face the fact that it's not what the author is going for. Just like the concept of the Ninja World War 4 was great until it turned out to be united human Vs. a bunch of white goo and zombie.
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Originally Posted by itachi-san314
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true it is my claim and true it was a clone, but the fact that a clone did it doesn't mean it wasn't madara using EMS to perform the genjutsu which is all I was saying. also, the artwork suggests my claim imho. the bottom panels of page 8 clearly show the EMS at work casting the genjutsu. and then the right middle panel of the last page shows the rinnegan at work casting perfect susano'o. of course this could just be argued to be madara at work, but that is like saying it was itachi who manifested susano'o, not his MS, which I do not agree with. it is both the ninja and the abilities of the eye they possess. I think it stands to reason that if madara needed EMS to use perfect susano'o then that would be the eye he used to do it, we've seen him use both during this fight, it's not like he has a permanent rinnegan
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The fact that it wasn't Madara who did it doesn't mean it wasn't Madara who did it? Like saying Itachi's eyes use a jutsu and not Itachi himself?
... Are you drunk?
Look it's really that simple what you're doing is a simple logical fallacy, correlation does not imply causation. Your entire argument lies with the fact that Madara has the Rinnegan activated when he use his perfect Susanoo (and your incorrect belief that he had switched between the EMS/Rinnegan to use Genjutsu), the problem is that Madara has had the Rinnegan activated non-stop since the last 28 chapters including when he used partial Susanoo or Mokuton, does that mean that partial Susanoo and Mokuto are Rinnegan power? Of course not.
The fact that Madara being a Rikudou translates in more power which translate in turn in more powerful jutsu is not in question but it doesn't imply in no shape or form that the jutsu he uses have to necessitate the Rinnegan particulary for jutsu known to operate without it.
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no. the artwork is clearly different. 4 arms, different cloak, massive size, plus whatever it has in store in terms of techniques which we haven't seen yet.
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Itachi and Sasuke's Susanoo also have 4 arms and the artwork and cloak are the same as Sasuke's EMS Susanoo. There are only 2 differences so far in Madara's case : the fact that it can grow legs as well as we saw in the last 13 chapters and of course its sheer size this week.
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