Already a new bill after SOPA/PIPA. OPEN.
 

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...protect-ip.ars


This one is much lighter than the previous, and the main thing is it is not being drafted behind closed doors. There is even an open forum for discussion about it.

Just thought the people here should see this.

OPEN is better. It's at least more malleable than SOPA was in this stage. I think we could work something out here.

There's no compromise with me, recent events have shown us that they can and will enforce existing copyright laws much to the effect they are intending without the need for any of this. No discussion is required, you need not fix something that is not broken.

We must extinguish these pests at the source.

Agreed. I will not settle for a compromise. And this seems to be exactly what some of us were saying earlier: Introduce a bill which everyone is against, then introduce a milder bill that people who aren't paying attention will accept.

Endless "Fight on!" Soul

Either your out bribe companies or you forcefully evict the government. There is no other way to stop it. Greed is a very powerful force.

Seems these people are really intent on making at least one bill that gives them authority over something or anything.

Either they're bullies or losers.

Sigh: This is Bill 156 all over again..... :upset:

At least its not going to completely break the internet...

Recent events show that we should be more concerned with restricting the power of the copyright industry rather than giving it new tools to use.

At least we're getting slapped in the face rather than being punched in the face with iron knuckles. :rolleyes:

As Endless Soul said, no compromises are needed in this situation.

It sort of addresses the technical complaints about the previous laws.... sort of. It still fails utterly to address the existing problems with copyright, patent, trademark laws and pushes the completely bogus concept of "intellectual property". We've got judges ruling (in the UK) that someone's photo taken from the same spot in London pointing at Big Ben while a red bus went by... constituted copyright infringement. Normally I'd call it an idiot ruling by an outlier judge but this is what the "content gatekeepers" *want*. ACTA, OPEN, whatever.... its a blatant attempt by the MPAA/RIAA/spew at being the owners of all creativity.

Apparently the RIAA is now opposing OPEN. Their grounds are that it won't be effective, because the process will take too long and it will require a bunch of resources that might make it impossible for "small businesses" to protect their intellectual property rights.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... <sigh> I've moving from academically opposing them to just hating their insipid evil.

Some in the tech community interpret this to be the revealing move that the RIAA really doesn't care about intellectual property rights, they just want control and are using intellectual property rights to ensure that they keep it. Not that it hasn't been suspected for a long time...

This is a sign that we are ready for the next step toward communism.
After we put some heads on pikes.

And just to keep shining a spotlight in the right direction... who are the pirates (thugs, warlords, rapists, pillagers, gangsters) again?

Artists suing the record labels (RIAA) ...
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.co...tch-at-itunes/

Dude, e-pirates =/= thugs, warlords, rapists, pillagers, gangsters and drug addicts/dealers. E-pirates are worse than that: they steal intellectual properties. Meaning they steal intellect. So e-pirates steal intellect from Hollywood (if there were any from the start).

I wonder....will there come a time for internet privateers...as oppose to pirates?

My body is ready to go.

*Starts Mouretsu Pirates OP*

China was the first to run those e-privateer fleets against computer companies setting up on their soil; they thought they could nationalise their corporations before the latter corporatise them.

I'll let history just their actions. :heh:

I remember they tried to do Google in too. Sheesh...

Heh... I'll also just keep reminding people the "emperor has no clothes". There is no such thing as "intellectual property". There is copyright, patent, and trademark - each of which is a set of specific limited tools to permit the creator a head start on $profit$.

I contest, my brain is intellectual property. It has intellect, and is thus an intellectual... and is my property. Or am I its property. :eyespin:

I'll let Thomas Jefferson comment:

No, no, no, a thousand times no.

Piracy cannot be stopped. It will not be stopped. It is simply an impossibility to stop. There are more websites than there are people in the world. This is simply rent-seeking, and nothing more. I have no sympathy for the vast majority of piracy victims. If you're well-known enough to be pirated, you're well known enough to have been remunerated appropriately by that point.

And if your work is bad, then nobody will bother file-sharing it anyway.

So Jefferson meant that MPAA can't think?

The MPAA doesn't actually create ideas anyway... No, what TJ meant is that once an idea is expressed out loud, it replicates automatically to anyone who hears it. By definition, it can't be "property".

So a song or a movie, one replicated and sold, it isn't the sole property of the director or the producers anymore. It passes to the public, who should be free to do anything he wants with it.

That's the way copyright works... the creator gets a specific limited period of time to profit, after that it passes into the public domain. Anything more than that begins to stifle future creativity and invention - which is what we're starting to see in patent wars and the increasing restrictions on artists because some monolith "owns" a somewhat similar idea they took from a previous artist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...ctual_property

Creations throughout most of human history had no "limited time" at all. You saw an idea and thought it was cool, you used it. You heard a bard sing a tune and you'd create your own take on it in the next town.

Even one of our primary means of destruction could be called stolen propery if you take it that way. Gun powder. Chinese invention form a very long time ago. It seems like the Europeans got their hands on it and some hand cannons and decided to improve on the hand cannons and such that were coming out of China and the Middle East. And with them stated to take over he planet...even though the Chinese, Arabs, and Persians had them first.

Thing is, IP is with us for good now. Something we will have to deal with from now on, as companies have shown they are not willing to accept new models. I do wonder what their thought processes will be when pirating is gone and revenue doesn't skyrocket.

"Pirating gone?" :confused:

OPEN has been around for a while as a moderate alternative to SOPA/PIPA by the more moderate members of the parliament.

Incidentally OPEN is backed up by Google, Facebook, and several tech companies. Apparently this time around it will be the complete opposite when it comes to who's supporting it and who's against it. :p It's not perfect though, and it has many shortcomings, but it's definitely a step in the right direction.

I do believe that piracy is a problem that should be addressed eventually. But I also believe that intellectual copyright is the bigger problem and should receive our attention first.

http://memegenerator.net/instance/14169664

Bcuz Im bored.

I'm not the person who has the money to watch the all the movies I wanted to watch.

I'm not an otaku who has the money to buy or imported mangas, and DVDs from Japan.

I don't even have the money to get out of my country.

All I got is a dollar to t spent in a internet cafe to experience it all.... Is that wrong?!

Take it all away you, WESTERN ZAIBATSUs! DAMN, McArthur will sure get your ass kicked!!!

I think the general consensus from companies is that most people who pirate have and will pay if forced to. To those who can't pay, they don't care and you will just have to go without.

good article here

You will never kill piracy, and piracy will never kill you.

No, but you can cut a swath through the numbers of pirates. As I have said before, tech advanced people will find a way, but taking out DDL and torrents or blocking access to nation's ISPs that don't follow copyright laws will get most.

We had a lot of youngsters in the late 80s early 90s that managed to figure out arcane computer systems and internet protocols and clients... I guess we may see if the young people are still as clever.