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Anacone
2007-05-18 16:44
Whoah...Usotski :)...More comes later...
Edit...
Quite excellent episode... Kyori wa very kawaii desu... and Aono don't lose in any aspect to what comes in handling Yorito... I simply loved how Aono "reminded" Yorito about his promise :D.
What comes to drama
Spoiler for ep plot:
Yes it was that Matsuri left for good and Yorito and Mana were looking for her. And some drama with Aono trying to manipulate Yorito by taking sky pictures away and them going to date. Where Yorito suddenly notices Matsuri and disbands Aono and long chase that stops to house where is Mayko too. So Mayko and Matsuri has already met!! But that's not all when Yorito hugs Matsuri it happens
Spoiler for OMG:
Yorito stabs Matsuri with glass and who else controls Yorito than Aono... It looked like he was totally hypnoticed/controlled by magic.
Nemesis2124
2007-05-18 17:05
Spoiler for episode 7:
Well, that was certainly the epitome of jealous rage at the end there. O_O
Deathkillz
2007-05-18 17:14
holy mother load...what the hell happened in the 2nd half of this ep...i cant believe that it did me in again! :twitch:
Spoiler:
bonding session between aono and yorito in the first half...just like last ep where yorito bonds with matsuri...(bla bla boring stuff) but just as i thought that this ep is going to remain average a revelation comes in the form of matsuri returning...
heres a picturegram of the following events...(better than just relying on words see for youself the shocker of this season :twitch:
yorito bumps into matsuri in the combi store...naturally she makes a run for it...while yorito starts to give chase ~
basically aono has a mind controlling ability...and doing that she attempts to bump off matsuri from the picture...
*gasp...i need to let it all sink in O.o*
Nemesis2124
2007-05-18 17:23
@Deathkillz
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I wonder though, is it just mind control, or is it an indication that Yorito is indeed her creation? 0_o
Deathkillz
2007-05-18 17:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemesis2124
(Post 952256)
@Deathkillz
Spoiler for ep7:
I wonder though, is it just mind control, or is it an indication that Yorito is indeed her creation? 0_o
Spoiler:
well thats another way to look at it...i just gave the first explination that popped into my head :heh: it is possible but right now anything is...with such a cliffhanger end all we can do now is speculate...
and on another note...WTF is loli tan doing with matsuri? :twitch:
By the looks of it, Mayuko hightailed it after that fight with Takeshi and stumbled upon Matsuri.
orion
2007-05-18 17:42
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Oh well, more reasons to hate Aono now. :heh:
Hopefully, Matsuri is smart enough to figure it out. Unfortunately, that means Aono has to bite the dust. Bwahahaha!
Skyfall
2007-05-18 17:44
Holy cow, this episode looks insane 0_o ... can't wait to get my hands on the subs. I wasn't expecting these kind of developments at all. This show just keeps pumping out surprises. *ponders about adding a "11 out of 10" choice to the poll* :heh:
Deathkillz
2007-05-18 17:49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemesis2124
(Post 952273)
@Deathkillz
Spoiler for ep7:
By the looks of it, Mayuko hightailed it after that fight with Takeshi and stumbled upon Matsuri.
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ahh so that can explain why the church was smashed...never knew that loli tan can fight :heh:
well i was just saying that with aono's unpopular reputation amongst some viewers...she is going to get a lot more stick now :heh: (but yea she has gone a bit too far...but i rather stay neutral :3
As soon as Aono's eyes turned SEED-mode like that, I thought "Kaede." Anyway, the beginning of the episode lulled me into something of a false sense of security, so I wasn't expecting the ending at all. This show just keeps surprising me in all the good ways.
lightbringer
2007-05-18 18:11
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While it probably takes quite a bit more than this to finish off Matsuri, I'm back to hating Aono on account of her fucking up such a nice bonding moment. Damn these useless previews which make no sense whatsoever and tell us next to nothing about what's going to come next.
orion
2007-05-18 18:21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathkillz
(Post 952288)
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well i was just saying that with aono's unpopular reputation amongst some viewers...she is going to get a lot more stick now :heh: (but yea she has gone a bit too far...but i rather stay neutral :3
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No, that's just plain ridiculous and pathetic. She says she's his "sister" and acts like his "girlfriend wannabe". This is a setup for a major disaster and it's her fault. It's obvious who he likes. She needs to accept the fact that she lost twice now and move on. Attempting murder is one thing but blaming it on another is just plain cowardly imo.
Now with this setup, makes you wonder if she didn't off the original Yorito.
She needs to die or have something majorly horrible and irreversible happen to her so that she is in pain for all eternity imo. Nothing justifies this type of behaviour imo. Yep, I'm in the Aono hater club too now. :mad:
That's not a wound that Matsuri can die from. Hopefully Mayuko wakes up or Yorito snaps out of it in time.
Maybe we'll also find out how Mayuko and Matsuri hooked up in the next episode.
Anacone
2007-05-18 18:42
This was not just serous drama although drama parts were more heavy and in bigger role here. There was very funny and kawaii bits as so far there's been. Like
Is it just me but when I use Imageshack with bigger gifs they look much faster than smaller with same timing between frames...Why?
orion
2007-05-18 19:15
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In that last scene, Yorito is handling broken glass and is not bleeding. :twitch: Interesting..... :)
Shiroth
2007-05-18 19:17
Spoiler for Aomo:
Instead of Kaede mode, shouldn't people be saying Rena --- because of who her VA is?
orion
2007-05-18 19:28
Spoiler for Aono:
I thought that Rena didn't do it out of jealousy. Kaede mode fits better imo.
octoberasian
2007-05-18 19:30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathkillz
(Post 952244)
holy mother load...what the hell happened in the 2nd half of this ep...i cant believe that it did me in again! :twitch:
Spoiler:
bonding session between aono and yorito in the first half...just like last ep where yorito bonds with matsuri...(bla bla boring stuff) but just as i thought that this ep is going to remain average a revelation comes in the form of matsuri returning...
heres a picturegram of the following events...(better than just relying on words see for youself the shocker of this season :twitch:
yorito bumps into matsuri in the combi store...naturally she makes a run for it...while yorito starts to give chase ~
basically aono has a mind controlling ability...and doing that she attempts to bump off matsuri from the picture...
*gasp...i need to let it all sink in O.o*
Quote:
Originally Posted by orion
(Post 952316)
Spoiler:
No, that's just plain ridiculous and pathetic. She says she's his "sister" and acts like his "girlfriend wannabe". This is a setup for a major disaster and it's her fault. It's obvious who he likes. She needs to accept the fact that she lost twice now and move on. Attempting murder is one thing but blaming it on another is just plain cowardly imo.
Now with this setup, makes you wonder if she didn't off the original Yorito.
She needs to die or have something majorly horrible and irreversible happen to her so that she is in pain for all eternity imo. Nothing justifies this type of behaviour imo. Yep, I'm in the Aono hater club too now. :mad:
That's not a wound that Matsuri can die from. Hopefully Mayuko wakes up or Yorito snaps out of it in time.
Maybe we'll also find out how Mayuko and Matsuri hooked up in the next episode.
Trying to catch my breath after seeing the last half. I was telling myself:
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"WTF?" O.o
Aono tries to stop Yorito from chasing Matsuri...
... but goes anyway.. DAMN o_o
He catches up...
It seems Aono can be VERY jealous and goes into Kaede-mode using some kind of telekinesis on Yorito. Then the.. the.. stab.. noooooo >_<;;;
Why Aono? T_T
*... wants to slap Aono now..*
I agree with Orion, first half she wants to be sister-like, then the second half she wants to be girlfriend-like. I guess she wanted Matsuri to leave in the last episode by coming home on her own will, especially after hearing Matsuri's name. Ok, Yorito was not a Yaka, and it seems Aono has some control or a lot of control over Yorito. There seems to be more than meets the eye here about Aono. Aono needs to give up on Yorito, it's been... what? centuries now?... Yorito's heart decided who he wants. That's an interesting point you brought up Orion:
What if Aono, in some jealous rage after she learned of Yorito's feelings for Matsuri in the past, killed him off in the first place? And, to join him after death, decided to take her own life?
It brings up an interesting twist to all this. OMG... I still can't believe the last scene, I'm rewatching hoping it's not true, but I know it is. T_T
I'm sure Matsuri's not dead.
And, what in the world happen to the church? Did Matsuri and Mayuko have a "disagreement" or something before she ended up taking Mayuko under her care? O.o
Nemesis2124
2007-05-18 19:40
@Octoberasian
Spoiler for ep7:
Refer to episode 1. They mention the church was slated for demolition.
And also, for what it's worth, I didn't get quite as bad an impression of Aono as others. While it's not forgivable and she definitely needs to get over it, I wouldn't assume it was something she consciously decided on. Similar to Matsuri losing herself in episode 5 the same thing probably happened here. So this comes off to me more as a really awful situation, rather than straight up "screw you Aono."
orion
2007-05-18 19:43
@Nemesis2124
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But the roof had a hole punched in it. The whole top is missing in a way that does not look like demolition.
Spoiler for Aono:
Could you imagine this...
Yorito talking about going off with Matsuri not realizing that Aono likes him. Aono in a jealous rage stabs him. He dies. She's in shock. "I can't live without him." Decides to kill herself where Matsuri lives thinking in a twisted fashion that she'll get even with Matsuri that way. Matsuri being Matsuri resurrects her. She prob has figured out what actually happened and wants to get out fast now. Yorito being Yorito won't let go. Cue murder attempt by Aono.
It is curious that in the flashback Yorito and Aono are talking outside Matsuri's cave. Bet he came to visit her and Aono tagged along. Hopefully, we get to see how the original couple met. This is so giving me Air vibes.
octoberasian
2007-05-18 19:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemesis2124
(Post 952381)
@Octoberasian
Spoiler for ep7:
Refer to episode 1. They mention the church was slated for demolition.
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I remember that, but that was quite fast that they took down only the roof and not all the walls. Wouldn't they have taken down the rest?
Nemesis2124
2007-05-18 19:52
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Maybe I saw wrong, but don't they show the entire thing gone later in the episode?
orion
2007-05-18 19:56
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Yep after the roof was gone, that's all she wrote for the church. Not even a piece of lumbar left. Pretty efficient imo. But that hole in the roof looks suspicious for something else happening imo. Besides, Takeshi was outside of Mayuko's new location being angry so something's up there.
Nemesis2124
2007-05-18 19:59
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Yeah, maybe something else happened. Though the roof may have just collapsed on it's own, considering they showed how leaky it was in ep 6.
octoberasian
2007-05-18 20:01
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemesis2124
(Post 952402)
Spoiler for ep7:
Maybe I saw wrong, but don't they show the entire thing gone later in the episode?
Spoiler:
Ah... yes, that's right, the whole church disappears.
Along with that vending machine that Matsuri "loves" so much is gone as well.
orion
2007-05-18 20:01
Spoiler for ep 7:
Yep, it could have collapsed on its own.
But what about Mayuko? Why would Matsuri take care of and protect her?
Nemesis2124
2007-05-18 20:03
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If she can't stay with her human friends, then I guess the next best thing is another yaka. =/ Besides, Mayuko wanted to talk to Matsuri anyway.
kct
2007-05-18 20:44
Spoiler for ep 7:
Seriously, we all thought it would end in a light note in a way after last week's revelation about Aono, turns out that we are surprised by Aono going SEED. Not to mention, the preview for next week is probably hints of more drama, if the changing colours of the sky is one thing.
I do sort of understand her predicament...having been 'abandoned' just like that all of sudden.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-18 20:56
Mess with your mind much? Great episode.
Spoiler for ep7:
1. I love all the characters, including Aono. She uses up all her energy creating/reviving Yorito (maybe) and then he goes and prefers Matsuri...again. I feel so much sympathy for her. Killing people -- or even yaka -- is wrong, but my heart still aches for her. She has been alone and lonely for so long, and now that there is the prospect of some relief, it is snatched away from her again. The fate of a yaka, to be a concentration of sorrow and disappointment.
2. I thought the first half of the show was great. So sad. So full of feeling.
3. Aono getting dressed was totally cute. And I think Nakahara Mai is showing how this sort of character of few words is done. GJ! And Shimizu Ai is perfect as Koyori in this ep.
4. Not sure about the church or how Mayuko and Matsuri come to be together. One thing, though: Aono probably didn't count on Mayuko being there to revive Matsuri.
5. Up above the town on their "date," Yorito says to Aono: "Before, we...." Then he stops, as if he can't remember what they did before. Perhaps because he didn't exist that far in the past.
Icerack
2007-05-18 21:22
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Quote:
But what about Mayuko? Why would Matsuri take care of and protect her?
Maybe she negotiated with Takeshi on something.
octoberasian
2007-05-18 22:20
Rewatching the episode a fourth time (yes, yes, I did) I got to thinking about Aono:
Spoiler:
How many times her heart has been broken due to Yorito?
Then you start to feel bad for her. I'm presuming now that the title, Sola, refers to not only Yakas in general, but to Matsuri, Mayuko, and most definitely Aono. Looking back to Ep.6, it seems she loved Yorito so much to be willing to kill herself. And, in death hoping to be by his side. Unfortunately, Matsuri revived her which is why she asked "Why did you revive me?" That is more than enough proof that she and Yorito are not blood related. Aono's lived a long life alone, just wanting to be by Yorito again and keep him with her.
However, undying love and wanting to be with Yorito for centuries would eventually lead to something of a obsessive nature. If she indeed revived or recreated Yorito just for the need to have him by her side in every time period, then she has probably grown to be very clingy to and became obsessed with Yorito; not wanting him to be with anyone else including Matsuri.
I'm starting to see Orion's suggestion as a possibility as I mentioned before that she maybe have probably killed Yorito, not only over jealously, but over a very strong love for him. It seems beyond a Romeo and Juliet style ending to be with each other after death. That she went so far to kill herself and possibly revived Yorito so many times over including altering or erasing his memories.. That seems more likely now, seeing that Aono is willing to go so far to kill Matsuri, but not by her hands alone... Now, with Matsuri back in her life and Yorito's, she seems wanting to do anything to keep Yorito by her side.
The only one factor that can change all this centers on Matsuri, as we see that Yorito still longs for Matsuri, even after centuries of being away from her. But, there's got to be something else we're missing here-- about Aono, Matsuri, Mayuko, Yorito and 3 months ago and the past...
However, this anime continues to surprise me at each turn as this episode did. I can't wait for Ep.8 now and see Yorito's face when he snaps out of that trance... oh boy!
lightbringer
2007-05-18 22:22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Icerack
(Post 952501)
Spoiler for ep7:
Maybe she negotiated with Takeshi on something.
Spoiler:
Don't think that's likely, as Takeshi is looking for her half the time in this episode. Looks like she ran away from him, and somehow ended up with Matsuri.
Nemesis2124
2007-05-18 22:41
Spoiler for ep7:
Just a point of interest, but I really like how they're continuing with the parallel between Yorito and Takeshi. First the flashback in ep 5, and now the both of them lonesomely searching for their respective companions. I fully expect there to be some dynamic between these two in the future. Come to think of it, the writer is definitely making a statement about the major themes in general by having all the yaka characters either running from their friends, or wallowing in despair.
orion
2007-05-18 22:49
Quote:
Originally Posted by octoberasian
(Post 952565)
Rewatching the episode a fourth time (yes, yes, I did) I got to thinking about Aono:
Spoiler:
How many times her heart has been broken due to Yorito?
Then you start to feel bad for her. I'm presuming now that the title, Sola, refers to not only Yakas in general, but to Matsuri, Mayuko, and most definitely Aono. Looking back to Ep.6, it seems she loved Yorito so much to be willing to kill herself. And, in death hoping to be by his side. Unfortunately, Matsuri revived her which is why she asked "Why did you revive me?" That is more than enough proof that she and Yorito are not blood related. Aono's lived a long life alone, just wanting to be by Yorito again and keep him with her.
However, undying love and wanting to be with Yorito for centuries would eventually lead to something of a obsessive nature. If she indeed revived or recreated Yorito just for the need to have him by her side in every time period, then she has probably grown to be very clingy to and became obsessed with Yorito; not wanting him to be with anyone else including Matsuri.
I'm starting to see Orion's suggestion as a possibility as I mentioned before that she maybe have probably killed Yorito, not only over jealously, but over a very strong love for him. It seems beyond a Romeo and Juliet style ending to be with each other after death. That she went so far to kill herself and possibly revived Yorito so many times over including altering or erasing his memories.. That seems more likely now, seeing that Aono is willing to go so far to kill Matsuri, but not by her hands alone... Now, with Matsuri back in her life and Yorito's, she seems wanting to do anything to keep Yorito by her side.
The only one factor that can change all this centers on Matsuri, as we see that Yorito still longs for Matsuri, even after centuries of being away from her. But, there's got to be something else we're missing here-- about Aono, Matsuri, Mayuko, Yorito and 3 months ago and the past...
However, this anime continues to surprise me at each turn as this episode did. I can't wait for Ep.8 now and see Yorito's face when he snaps out of that trance... oh boy!
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You're way to soft on Aono. If she did kill Yorito so that no one else can have him, then she's screwed in the head big time imo. Her committing suicide rather than live with her mistake is worse especially to do it where Matsuri lived. "See, look what you made me do. You're the cause of it all. I hope that you're satisfied now." If she revived him over and over and messed with his memories, then she's got a very sick obsession going on. She has identified herself to him as "sister". That basically knocks out any romantic involvement with the guy. There's other girls at his school too. If it wasn't Matsuri, then it would be someone else imo. Matsuri is a hard act to follow though.
She has put herself in a situation for further "heartbreak". She has only herself to blame. No sympathy from me.
She's one sick and pathetic chick imo if that's her story.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemesis2124
(Post 952582)
Spoiler for ep7:
Just a point of interest, but I really like how they're continuing with the parallel between Yorito and Takeshi. First the flashback in ep 5, and now the both of them lonesomely searching for their respective companions. I fully expect there to be some dynamic between these two in the future. Come to think of it, the writer is definitely making a statement about the major themes in general by having all the yaka characters either running from their friends, or wallowing in despair.
Spoiler:
I think that it's the human-yaka interactions that's causing the problems. Matsuri-Mayuko haven't had any problems. It's Matsuri-Takeshi that's causing problems. Aono-Yorito is causing major problems imo. Matsuri-Yorito isn't causing problems if Aono is out of the picture.
Nemesis2124
2007-05-18 23:03
Spoiler for ep7:
Eh, Matsuri and Yorito have their problems as well, regardless of Aono. The fact that she's so convinced of the impending pain she's going to cause him, to the point where she's trying to disappear is evidence enough of that.
orion
2007-05-18 23:06
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But that was only because of Aono. If Aono wasn't there, those 2 would have been a lot closer. :naughty:
Nemesis2124
2007-05-18 23:09
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Haha, I second that sentiment. Though by the looks of it, the best Aono can do is slow the inevitable.
Guppy
2007-05-18 23:20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemesis2124
(Post 952622)
Spoiler for ep7:
Haha, I second that sentiment. Though by the looks of it, the best Aono can do is slow the inevitable.
Spoiler for ep. 7:
I'm not sure she's even managed to do that.
Matsuri's injuries may not be fatal, but as of episode 7's ending she's definitely down for the count. What happens next hinges on how strong Aono's influence over Yorito really is, i.e. whether she can make him turn around, walk out of there and straight back home.
If she can't, and Yorito comes to his senses immediately post-stabbing, then you can bet that the next place Matsuri opens her eyes will be in Yorito's bedroom. If that happens, then Aono will be in the unfortunate position of accidentally having helped Yorito get Matsuri back, since in her healthy state Matsuri would have been quite capable of getting away from him. :D
The other tantalising prospect, from a drama point of view, is that Yorito takes Matsuri home and she doesn't wake up until it's broad daylight and Aono has come home. At that point, all three participants in our unhappy love triangle will be cooped up together for up to twelve hours in one smallish house, and we'll be in for some real fun. :p
Nemesis2124
2007-05-18 23:28
Spoiler for ep7:
Ha, don't get my hopes up. An uncomfortable situation to that degree would be nothing short of pure gold. Of the mildly sadistic variety of course, but gold nonetheless. XD
orion
2007-05-19 00:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guppy
(Post 952634)
Spoiler for ep. 7:
I'm not sure she's even managed to do that.
Matsuri's injuries may not be fatal, but as of episode 7's ending she's definitely down for the count. What happens next hinges on how strong Aono's influence over Yorito really is, i.e. whether she can make him turn around, walk out of there and straight back home.
If she can't, and Yorito comes to his senses immediately post-stabbing, then you can bet that the next place Matsuri opens her eyes will be in Yorito's bedroom. If that happens, then Aono will be in the unfortunate position of accidentally having helped Yorito get Matsuri back, since in her healthy state Matsuri would have been quite capable of getting away from him. :D
The other tantalising prospect, from a drama point of view, is that Yorito takes Matsuri home and she doesn't wake up until it's broad daylight and Aono has come home. At that point, all three participants in our unhappy love triangle will be cooped up together for up to twelve hours in one smallish house, and we'll be in for some real fun. :p
Spoiler:
I'm all for this "hell on earth" scenario for Aono too. :heh: Of course, then we have to bring Mayuko along for the ride and Yorito's harem will be complete. ;) :heh: