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Pellissier 2007-10-10 23:54
Shakugan no Shana II - Episode 2 Discussion / Poll
 
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serenade_beta 2007-10-10 23:56
Oh!~~ First post!


If Mea is still alive, I hope she can make a good signature...

Doki doki~

No flashbacks, hopefully...

I hope it is a good episode.

(Plus, a good reason to watch the opening theme again)

stormy001_M1A2 2007-10-11 01:34
This ep will make or break Shana Season 2. Let's see how the story goes.

HayashiTakara 2007-10-11 02:00
I've been impatiently waiting for this episode >.<

prosnoopy 2007-10-11 05:14
I hope it's good ^^

Lilprid 2007-10-11 06:28
Aye waiting sucks ^^ :P

rozenfreak123 2007-10-11 08:18
Indeed it does. I been dying to see the Bal Masque make their triumphant return and to see if they are planning revenge on Yuji or the same old plan to capture him.

Owaranai Destiny 2007-10-11 09:46
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Originally Posted by rozenfreak123 (Post 1195721)
Indeed it does. I been dying to see the Bal Masque make their triumphant return and to see if they are planning revenge on Yuji or the same old plan to capture him.
If they are planning on following the same route as the novel, I think the latter would be more likely.

ashlay 2007-10-11 12:02
alright, episode has aired, quick thoughts from looking at the screens (will probably have more after I see the thing)
Spoiler for episode 2:


anyway, looking very good so far. very good.

Devard 2007-10-11 16:01
Just finished watching it, this episode was much improved over the last one in my opinion. The arc ended as I had anticipated (I figured it'd be this one or the next).

2H-Dragon 2007-10-11 16:03
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Originally Posted by ashlay (Post 1196047)
alright, episode has aired, quick thoughts from looking at the screens (will probably have more after I see the thing)
Spoiler for episode 2:


anyway, looking very good so far. very good.
Spoiler:


I really need to rewatch season one. >.<

serenade_beta 2007-10-11 16:34
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Originally Posted by 2H-Dragon (Post 1196396)
Spoiler:


I really need to rewatch season one. >.<
Hecate (AKA Supreme Throne) is one of the Bal Masque. She's the little girl with green hair that wears white robe-ish clothe (she's the person in front of the clock in the opening).

She had a few "scenes" with Yuuji in the previous season and seems to be a bottomless pit.

*looks at screenshots*

HECATE?! :twitch::twitch:

Woah-kay......

ashlay 2007-10-11 16:38
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2H-Dragon (Post 1196396)
Spoiler:


I really need to rewatch season one. >.<
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7...2040tg4.th.jpg


Spoiler for complete thoughts:

Tokkan 2007-10-11 19:29
I just noticed they changed the opening slightly this episode, it now goes on for an extra 3 seconds and cuts off more naturally than in the first episode.

Kaioshin Sama 2007-10-11 20:24
Hecate was the first time I noticed Mamiko Noto actually. The whole Yuji trapped with Hecate scene and the haunting voice was seductive (I sound like Kaoru, but hold on a sec), and kind of a turn on (OHHHHHHH!). I'm serious though, Hecate rocked and I was disappointed there wasn't much of her last season. I think she's a sympathetic character and thought she'd be an ally by the end of last season. Looks like that's going to finally happen now.

serenade_beta 2007-10-11 20:26
Spoiler for ep2 thoughts:

Kang Seung Jae 2007-10-11 20:38
Yuji eating all that food, and getting a stomache cramp.... was hilarious!

Aquifina 2007-10-11 22:19
Spoiler for Ep 2 (just to be safe):

serenade_beta 2007-10-12 00:05
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Originally Posted by Aquifina (Post 1196921)
Spoiler for Ep 2 (just to be safe):
IF that is Hecate.

(why do I keep typing Hayate...?)

akitakumi 2007-10-12 07:09
wow cant wait for the episode 2 coz episode 1 was so great xD

Kinny Riddle 2007-10-12 08:38
So that's how JC STAFF explain Yuji's level up: By having Mana Transfer...sorry, Memory Transfer with Hecate.

The anime also finally introduces the "Kaikin", the safety mechanism of the Reiji Maigo to prevent anyone from harming its host Mistes for a specific reason which I'll not spoil here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by difference with novel, non-spoiler
In novel volume 4, which details Shana's fight with the Aizen siblings (The goth-loli and shota siblings), as in the anime, when Sydonay (the guy with the shades) saw Yuji moving, he digs his hand inside Yuji. This is where the "Kaikin" first comes into action, severing Sydonay's arm (though Syd later grew a new one with ease).

Syd's severed arm then got absorbed by the Reiji Maigo, adding to Yuji's total HP, er, I mean total Power of Existence.

Last but not least, HECATE IN SAILOR FUKU!!! :love: :love: :love:

At first I thought the only chance of seeing Hecate in a school uniform was in one of the sketches in series illustrator Ito Noiji's art corner at the end of novel Vol 8. Never would I think that JC STAFF would actually grant Ito her wish. (For those of you wondering, yes, schoolgirl Hecate is an anime original. )

(Ito has similar experience with another art sketch, showing a "manly" Yuji and a "girly" Shana, i.e. Shana and Yuji had their bodies swapped. Series author Takahashi Yashiro wrote a special short story for her, included in her Shana artbook, Guren. )

PS I LOL'ed when someone said the guy in the preview looked like that Zest knight in Nanoha StrikerS.

ashlay 2007-10-12 11:36
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Originally Posted by Kinny Riddle (Post 1197553)
(Ito has similar experience with another art sketch, showing a "manly" Yuji and a "girly" Shana, i.e. Shana and Yuji had their bodies swapped. Series author Takahashi Yashiro wrote a special short story for her, included in her Shana artbook, Guren. )


actually would be pretty amusing if that ended up in the anime too.

FlameSparkZ 2007-10-12 16:26
*finishes watching episode 2*
Hecate-sama~ :bow:

I wonder what Bal Masque is up to...:uhoh:

Spoiler for Hecate:

I've been waiting for this moment ever since that eyecatch in Shakugan no Shana-tan XD

serenade_beta 2007-10-12 16:35
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ (Post 1198172)
Spoiler for Hecate:
It'd be funny if she wasn't, because everyone here refers to her as Hecate while there is no definite proof.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ (Post 1198172)
I've been waiting for this moment ever since that eyecatch in Shakugan no Shana-tan XD
So have I. So have I...


Well, just 6 more days, _ more hours, _ more seconds, etc.

FlameSparkZ 2007-10-12 17:11
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Originally Posted by serenade_beta (Post 1198193)
I'd be funny if she wasn't, because everyone here refers to her as Hecate while there is no definite proof.
Very true, since in season Marco (or was it Margery?) said that Tomogara can change their appearance...

Spoiler for Theory:

We'll soon find out...in a week or two :heh:

HayashiTakara 2007-10-12 20:52
This is the first time in a long time where I'm extremely impatient for an episode >.<

sapphirearcz 2007-10-13 13:20
hmm looks like this series will be a mix of arcs and novel?? Until now i still did not see anything referring to the novel though.

Deathkillz 2007-10-13 13:23
Hecate's good twin? i dont think so - that must be her O.O

after a face palm start things are back on track :D
Spoiler:

DazarGaidin 2007-10-13 13:24
*jumps up and down in anticipation* I wonder when the widescreen sub will come out each week.

I went back and watched the op for this season and the op from last...man what an improvement...

edit: Looks like it is out on eclipse

FlareKnight 2007-10-13 17:51
Well they finish up the dream episodes. Wilhelmina really went all out on poor Yuji. She was a little riled up because Shana was asking Yuji's mom for cooking lessons. Though it's explained why since Wilhelmina is like some people I know (bit of myself), only eat what comes out of the microwave or you pour hot water into it :).

Certainly another battle of. Yoshida not understanding anything about Yuji's situation and the response of her loving him and that conquers all. Pretty sure Shana gets tempted a lot to just take the sword to her. :heh:

Seems like a Hecate clone turning up at the end. Metamorphosis did say not to do anything strange with her so it's hard to believe she'd be sent out there like that. Seeing her freeze in the preview adds doubts and leaves me wondering what is going on. Unless she's got nerves of steel and having Shana pointing a sword at her means nothing.

Eternal Haruhist 2007-10-13 17:54
I just saw SnS 13 again and when Sydonay "digs inside Yuji" and is interrupted by the other flame haze, he didnt lose his arm at all.

Klashikari 2007-10-13 17:57
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Originally Posted by Eternal Haruhist (Post 1199894)
I just saw SnS 13 again and when Sydonay "digs inside Yuji" and is interrupted by the other flame haze, he didnt lose his arm at all.
That's because the anime modified this scene. which will deal some issues with Yuuji's "growth". (that's why they pulled "hecate influence" plot device to explain Yuuji's power)
In the novel, Sydonay somehow lost his arm and retreat, and the cut limb was left in Yuuji. (that's actually what kinny riddle says as anime completely skipped this important detail)

FlameSparkZ 2007-10-13 18:10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathkillz (Post 1199481)
Hecate's good twin? i dont think so - that must be her O.O

after a face palm start things are back on track :D
Spoiler:
Can you even call Hecate evil? :heh:
I haven't read the novel (so I don't know what happens), but according to the anime, all she wants is to find herself and fill that emptiness inside her...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Klashikari (Post 1199898)
That's because the anime modified this scene. which will deal some issues with Yuuji's "growth". (that's why they pulled "hecate influence" plot device to explain Yuuji's power)
In the novel, Sydonay somehow lost his arm and retreat, and the cut limb was left in Yuuji. (that's actually what kinny riddle says as anime completely skipped this important detail)
Didn't synchronizing with Hecate have a similar effect? And he did stay that way for quite some time :uhoh:
Alastor even commented about that in this episode...I'll have to check the subs to see what exactly did he talk about :heh:

Klashikari 2007-10-13 18:15
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Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ (Post 1199917)
Didn't synchronizing with Hecate have a similar effect? And he did stay that way for quite some time :uhoh:
Alastor even commented about that in this episode...I'll have to check the subs to see what exactly did he talk about :heh:
No, and i will refer to Kinny's explanations:
Quote:
Originally Posted by difference with novel, non spoiler
In novel volume 4, which details Shana's fight with the Aizen siblings (The goth-loli and shota siblings), as in the anime, when Sydonay (the guy with the shades) saw Yuji moving, he digs his hand inside Yuji. This is where the "Kaikin" first comes into action, severing Sydonay's arm (though Syd later grew a new one with ease).

Syd's severed arm then got absorbed by the Reiji Maigo, adding to Yuji's total HP, er, I mean total Power of Existence.
as you can see with this, the difference is quite big, since the Reiji Maigo already used the Kaikin already.
That is actually already a trigger for the existence growth back in the Sorath/Tiriel arc, which is quite early compared to the anime.
If we add that yuuji absorbed sydonay existence (well a tidbit), it is quite a stimulant.

meanwhile, hecate explanations are still valid, but a bit more far fetched than this. It looks like the Kaikin was a bit too convenient there.

Ashlotte 2007-10-13 20:28
Well that was a great deal more entertaining then the first episode thats for sure...Bento full of melon pan... :heh:

And I could careless if thats the real hecate or not...Aslong as she has mamiko's fabulous voice i'll be enjoying her screen time immensely. ;)

One last thing I enjoyed about this episode was giving poor yoshida alittle relevance to the story. Still don't think she stands a chance in hell with the guy though. :p

serenade_beta 2007-10-13 20:53
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ (Post 1199917)
Can you even call Hecate evil? :heh:
I haven't read the novel (so I don't know what happens), but according to the anime, all she wants is to find herself and fill that emptiness inside her...
Well, she is a "tomogara/denizen" and can eat existence. So even if she isn't "evil" by nature, she can do "evil" if she wants.

Though she seems to rather like stay in her little room and pray instead (which really doesn't seem to do much...)

kimchipride 2007-10-13 21:34
I don't get it. Why is my download so slow? I'm getting 1-3 kb/s mostly all the time. What is the problem? I usually get good download speeds when downloading other stuff. Any tips?:confused:

ashlay 2007-10-13 22:02
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimchipride (Post 1200162)
I don't get it. Why is my download so slow? I'm getting 1-3 kb/s mostly all the time. What is the problem? I usually get good download speeds when downloading other stuff. Any tips?:confused:
check The general "slow downloads" guide

prosnoopy 2007-10-13 22:11
Great episode ^^. Cracked me up when Yuji had to eat all the bentos

FlareKnight 2007-10-13 22:41
The bentos were great. Knew that if he left more of one of them he'd be in crap. So instead of having a girl mad at him just eat until you feel terrible :).


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