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Klashikari 2009-09-30 12:03
Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll
 
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Leinne 2009-09-30 12:05
OKay, I couldn't watch this one but here:
2chan link: http://dec.2chan.net/18/res/9359381.htm
Then can anyone tell me how was X fight and which song they used, I know I shouldn't expect fake red shoes after all, but it's a faint hope, either another good one

Serpit 2009-09-30 12:10
So, they cut out more than half of the fight and pretty much the entire epitaph discussion by the adults.

I'll reserve my final judgement until I watch the RAW, but even though I've been really optimistic so far, especially considering the last two episodes, this severely hurt my opinion of the anime. Well, at least it looks like the Meta-Discussion was pretty extensive.

Leinne 2009-09-30 12:18
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Originally Posted by Serpit (Post 2674871)
So, they cut out more than half of the fight and pretty much the entire epitaph discussion by the adults.

I'll reserve my final judgement until I watch the RAW, but even though I've been really optimistic so far, especially considering the last two episodes, this severely hurt my opinion of the anime. Well, at least it looks like the Meta-Discussion was pretty extensive.
Everone knows 2chan they only post images of interesting moments, so the adults conversation didn't ahve 2 but Eva's finding was second-by-second. They pretty much kept the elements of Virgilia's fight (now remembered we can call her like that from now on), and all the mates were kept

luckyssol 2009-09-30 12:19
During the magic battle...
Spoiler for magic battle pic:

momobunny 2009-09-30 12:20
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Originally Posted by Ssol (Post 2674885)
During the magic battle...
Spoiler for magic battle pic:
Yeah that's what I thought too. o.o;

Leinne 2009-09-30 12:20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ssol (Post 2674885)
During the magic battle...
Spoiler for magic battle pic:
All mates were like that, you can't blame them because the VN had the full screen for the spear alone. At least they kept them, that's what's important, I even remember a Stalemate one in the anime

EDit: soldiers!!!!

bigemperor 2009-09-30 12:28
I couldn't watch this episode

I really want to know if the use the epic bgm in the fight beatrice vs virgilia

urusai 2009-09-30 12:35
Looking at the screenshots, it looks like they kept the elements I was most afraid they'd leave out. (Yes! Finally, a diagram at long last! Bravo!)

USCPharmacist 2009-09-30 12:53
you worry about a silly fight scene? what about the size of that 10 ton of GOLD!!! EHEH

Anyway people were b___ing it on 4chan and many people really have no concept of how big of a pile 10 tons of gold is. Let's just say it's a lot smaller than you thing.

MarthX 2009-09-30 12:58
Don't jump to to conclusions with the gold. They could have simply moved some of it in the room.

RikaNipah 2009-09-30 13:10
Opps.
Haha, sorry Im new. :heh:

Leinne 2009-09-30 13:41
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Originally Posted by USCPharmacist (Post 2674945)
you worry about a silly fight scene? what about the size of that 10 ton of GOLD!!! EHEH

Anyway people were b___ing it on 4chan and many people really have no concept of how big of a pile 10 tons of gold is. Let's just say it's a lot smaller than you thing.
This is ALL the gold

Take the background as a reference for the height

UnknownBeast 2009-09-30 13:49
Cross-forum quoting.
Spoiler for episode 14:

RikaNipah 2009-09-30 13:53
Opps.
Haha, sorry Im new. :heh:

Kitsu 2009-09-30 13:54
The Raw is not even out..and you are not allowed to ask for that anyway

Ithekro 2009-09-30 13:54
If they are using a rough standard bar (movie sized bar), each bar weighs 400 ounces...or 25 pounds (12.44 kg)

Gold is weighed in Troy ounces. Here we can't tell which ton they are using. American Standard or Metric tons. Though one suspects them to be using a standard so tonne would be 1,000 kg. One tonne being about 80.386 bars.

This 10 tons of gold, using movie standards, equals slightly over 800 bars of gold.

If the count is right, and there are 806 bars in that stack...there are over 10 tons of gold sitting there.

urusai 2009-09-30 13:58
Don't tell me that DEEN actually went and researched the dimensions of 10 tons of gold...

On the other hand, 10 tons of gold suddenly doesn't seem quite as impressive anymore :uhoh:

Leinne 2009-09-30 13:59
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Originally Posted by urusai (Post 2675076)
Don't tell me that DEEN actually went and researched the dimensions of 10 tons of gold...

On the other hand, 10 tons of gold suddenly doesn't seem quite as impressive anymore :uhoh:
The important thing is the worth, it's 20 BILLION yyens, that's an awful lot of money, you would ghave enough for two or three lives and even you wouldn't spend it all

Ithekro 2009-09-30 14:03
Each bar is worth $405,600 US Dollars as of a week ago.

So the whole stack as of September 22, 2009 would be worth....$326,913,600 US Dollars.

1986 was a relatively high year for gold, but it wouldn't be back to that level again until 2005 or so.

urusai 2009-09-30 14:45
I've got mixed feelings about this episode. The magical fight was entertaining (and they did use あかいくつ偽) but the rest of the episode was lukewarm. No tension, no atmosphere. At least they started cutting material instead of cramming everything in (which would've made it worse).

MarthX 2009-09-30 14:46
Aside from the music choice, I thought the meta battle was well done.

bigemperor 2009-09-30 14:58
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Originally Posted by MarthX (Post 2675195)
Aside from the music choice, I thought the meta battle was well done.
Exactly, suspicion ruins the athmosphere and destroy all the hype i really hate that bgm now thanks to deen, core is 100 times better than suspicion, i missed dread of the grave more fear in that scene is a shame because it was very well done all the discuccion.

I really like the magic fight.

chounokoe 2009-09-30 14:59
I thought the episode was quite good, after I looked up what they had to cram into it. Yes of course some things were missing and I hope they will be fit into the next episode, but there's no way of telling they won't until we see the preview.

In the end everything that HAD to be in to make it good was in...and I felt quite a lot of atmosphere I must say...only the meta-battle could have used a little bit more tension, but well, maybe we haven't reached that part yet.

MarthX 2009-09-30 15:02
When this series is finished, someone should really replace the tracks with the right ones then release it. Get everyone to download that version instead.

NeoWorm 2009-09-30 15:03
I dont like what I saw on the screens, mecha warriors looks awful. But urge to grab pitchfork and torch and burn Deen down is not strong enough yet. I will wait for sub.

bigemperor 2009-09-30 15:06
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Originally Posted by marthx (Post 2675226)
someone should really replace the tracks with the right ones then release it.
that would be awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee =)

Evy 2009-09-30 15:17
About the gold: they do say an ingot is about 10kg, but I'm not sure if it was mentioned in the anime (since I've only watched raws).

Spoiler for Thoughts:


I give this one a six. Here's to hoping next week's episode will be better.

MarthX 2009-09-30 15:20
Going by the preview, I knew how much material they would cover in this episode and I knew that something would have to be cut.
Spoiler:

momobunny 2009-09-30 15:21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evy (Post 2675256)
About the gold: they do say an ingot is about 10kg, but I'm not sure if it was mentioned in the anime (since I've only watched raws).

Spoiler for Thoughts:


I give this one a six. Here's to hoping next week's episode will be better.
Speaking of the animation and Hideyoshi being short. Am I the only one who thinks they make Rosa a bit too short sometimes?

In one scene she was nearly dwarfed by Kyrie... keep in mind that Rosa wears heels and Kyrie doesn't.
Earlier they made Rosa a bit shorter than Shannon.

Not that Rosa can't be short or anything, I just find the heights of the characters to be a little (or VERY) off sometimes. ^^;

Tamad 2009-09-30 15:22
Eeehhh, the episode was okay.

I'm neither ecstatic nor disgusted about the episode, but I guess you can say that I'm a little disappointing considering DEEN was doing pretty good up until now. Don't know if I can exactly say it's their fault or anything, but the episode as a whole felt pretty hollow when it was supposed to be one of the most exciting episodes yet. The magic fight was well done, but it flew by in the blink of an eye like Rosa Musou did. That's not a negative hit towards the episode, but it felt like it was over before I even had a chance to soak it in.

More specifically, I'm quite surprised that they decided to omit the Epitaph discussion all together. They replaced it with a lengthy meta-battle, which in turn felt lackluster thanks to DEEN's whoring of the Suspicioni track yet again. So do they hate DoTG or just love Suspicion? I can't tell. Ah well, since Ryukishi's is apparently overlooking the anime, does that mean the discussion itself was unimportant or what? Seems a little strange to me.

And really, what the hell came out of Beato's mouth when she got pierced by the spears? :heh: I want someone to look at me with a straight face and tell me that was blood, because it looked like an alien.

momobunny 2009-09-30 15:25
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Originally Posted by Tamad (Post 2675273)
Eeehhh, the episode was okay.

I'm neither ecstatic nor disgusted about the episode, but I guess you can say that I'm a little disappointing considering DEEN was doing pretty good up until now. Don't know if I can exactly say it's their fault or anything, but the Episode as a whole felt pretty hollow when it was supposed to be one of the most exciting episodes yet. The magic fight was well done, but it flew by in the blink of an eye like Rosa Musou did. That's not a negative hit towards the episode, but it felt like it was over before I even had a chance to soak it in.

More specifically, I'm quite surprised that they decided to omit the Epitaph discussion all together. They replaced it with a lengthy meta-battle, which in turn felt lackluster thanks to DEEN's whoring of the Suspicioni track yet again. So do they hate DoTG or just love Suspicions? I can't tell. Ah well, since Ryukishi's is apparently overlooking the anime, does that mean the discussion itself was unimportant or what? Seems a little strange to me.

And really, what the hell came out of Beato's mouth when she got pierced by the spears? :heh: I want someone to look at me with a straight face and tell me that was blood, because it looked like an alien.
Yeah I know what you mean. (Especially about the magic fight. It wasn't badly done, but it was hella fast.)

And that was not blood... I don't know what the heck it was, but when I first saw that scene (and a screenshot on 2ch), I thought "wtf is that? O_o; ". Alien indeed. ._.;

Volcanic 2009-09-30 15:34
Not a bad episode....

Spoiler for Review:

tcaz2 2009-09-30 15:51
Really disappointed with this episode.

It wasn't horrible like some of Episode 2's episodes, but it was close enough to it.

Don't feel like going on a rant right now, so I'll just say 5/10 for what really should have been much higher if they did it right.

desirebluesky 2009-09-30 15:53
it looked like a sponge to me. XD

how can anime-only watchers solve the epitaph when the scenes look like that.:heh: in vn we at least got some clues, but now "omg sweetfish! shore! shore!" and yay she solved it.
and the music used would make the most epic moment boring, why do they cram it everywhere it's possible. :heh:

Marion 2009-09-30 15:57
Good episode but ONE major thing was left out.

Spoiler for Review:

Volcanic 2009-09-30 16:03
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Originally Posted by Marion (Post 2675351)
Spoiler for Review:
I lol'd. :heh:

ALSO: (can't believe I forgot this) Beato's "OOOH BATORA" made me squee. xDD

Guignol 2009-09-30 16:11
Is it me or did Highschool!Eva's voice actress change :twitch: When she was first introduced, it seemed more high pitch and cuter...

MarthX 2009-09-30 16:20
Sounded the same to me.

Workworkwork 2009-09-30 16:27
-No Dread of the Grave-More Fear. My guess is they won't bust out Dread of the Grave-More Rhythm either.
-DEEN is bad at consistent proportions.

I'm crying at this episode's pacing, but in all honesty, it was to be expected. As I may have mentioned, I wanted it to be even faster :heh:.

But to all those who think that the anime is an actual "guide" for SN players-Remember Yakusamashi-hen? Who's to say what's happened ism't just the equivalent of "Yeah, your oversight is cool and all, but we'll save that for a filler arc"?

After all, it -is- trying to sell on its own merits and not as an adaptation. My guess is they'll put in more explanations and hints like the Epitaph in an anime-only arc.


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