What was the deal with "spirit bodies" and/or projections in the original series?

I'm asking because a crack theory occurred to me. Crea or Suomi (they sound so similar to me when they're stressed...) makes a big deal out of the whole "spirit body (in English, even!)" thing when Donar blasts Mykage out of the command center. At the time it seemed something a bit unnecessary to explain...but then a wild crack theory appeared!

Perhaps Kagura's right, and Amata really isn't real, somehow. Like, say, he's just a (very solid) "spirit body"...which'd fit in well with some of that Mykage-Zen banter about true forms (or so I think, unless it went further over my head than I think it did).

So something along the lines of "Alisia gave birth to a child with golden hair and golden eyes (per Mykage)"...into whom someone important reincarnated. But, for whatever reason, part of the reincarnation split off and stayed behind (not "got left behind", "stayed behind"), leaving us with Amata over here on Vega and Kagura over there on Altair...Crack theory, but if you told me how Kagura would react when he finally got Mikono I'd have thought *you* were on crack.

Yes, there's *definitely* some kind of shenanigans going down. I noticed that and there're also a few too many pauses, delayed reactions, and mysterious chest pains throughout the episode. I've given up seriously speculating about what's going to happen -- it's crack ideas only from me at this point -- but I expect more twists are in store.

There are a lot of shenanigans, and I don't know why I missed them on the first play through (aside from watching in what was, effectively, 180p... no I'm not missing a 0). Mikono was all over Kagura from a distance (if you know what I mean) and Kagura was all over her from a distance. Then, his and her actions are eerily intimate for the brief few moments before she (comes to her senses?) freaks out.

The way it presents Amata, twice now, its like he's the interloper that's getting in the way. :eyespin:

The same way you think Mykage could be mindraping Kagura. There is nothing that says that he cannot do the same to Amata. Amata said that was his mother, but Mykage and Izumo were very vague....Amata could have been made to think he was Alicia's son but he might not be. Or Kagura could be her son and Amata was created from him. Those memories he has of her may not be his own....

It comes across like in "reality" she likes Amata, is afraid of Kagura, and so on, but keeps subconsciously slipping into a very different, almost dazed outlook, and has to snap out of it (again and again). I'm not taking sides on shipping per se, but if that's the way it's going to get played it means the she has to solve the issue by actively reconciling both sentiments. Should be interesting, especially since she feels like she has to apologize...really want to know what that's about.

Seems like her liking of Amata is fighting whatever connection she has to Kagura, and the latter is at times overcoming the former despite their lack of interaction on any regular basis. I really do want to see them get more than a dance routine together so that we can see exactly what's going on in that girl's head. :heh:

Problem there is that Kagura has NEVER been linked to Alicia. Mikage makes no reference to kagura being it. Izumo makes no indication of it having happened. Kagura himself couldn't care less about Alicia and never made any thoughts about her. When they were talking they were talking specifically of the boy piloting the Aquarion, Amata.

Also if Amata's memories of Alicia are fake then why does he have such a personal picture of her. When they saw the picture, they realized quickly that it was a personal picture of Alicia and not one that was taken professionally. It means that Amata had to have known her personally before as well.

Amata and Kagura are one in the same, Amata was the original body. He was born from Alicia likely with a man from Altair. When he was born Mikage recognized him as the reincarnation of Apollo and Apollonius which he needed for his plans.

Realizing what he wanted, Alicia made sure to keep Amata out of Mikage's hands. Mikage then used his powers and instead created Kagura from part of his soul. The tearing apart of his soul left Amata with his normally amber colored eyes with red ones instead, like what happened when Mikage uses his powers on a person, and caused him to lose his scent since he now had an incomplete soul.

Alicia realized what had happened and decided to go to Altair to get Kagura back. She left Amata on Earth to keep him away from Mikage and left maybe with the help of Aquarion to get to Altair. However she wasn't strong enough to pass through the portal and fell into a coma before she could get Kagura. While she intended the best for Amata and Kagura, Amata thought she had simply abandoned him and Kagura had never even known about his origins.

In a way Mikono's connection ability would come into play more prominently. Because Amata and Kagura have been separated. Mikono might later use her connection ability to reconnect the souls back together. completing the 2 of them once again.

Kagura and Mikono's powers are opposites: Mikono creates (bonds), Kagura reverse or undoes (things).

Now that I think of it... all of our main characters have matching pairs (alike or inverses), irregardless of the relationship:

1. Jin and Yunoha - Shield and Invisibility. Isolaters.
2. Andy and MIX - Holes... yup, holes. One makes, the other fills.
3. Cayenne and Shrade - Sees the darkness in people's future, sees/brings out the light/darkness in people's hearts. They are clearly a couple.
4. Mikono and Kagura - Creation and destruction (undo what has been done).
5. Amata - Flight/Projects Wings
6. Zessica - Force/Projects Giant Buddha Hands to smash mountains/Torments metal poles/Makes mirrors show her stuff (??)

The only oddities are Amata and Zessica, his *Flight* is entirely unrelated to Mikono's and Zessica is all on her own with *Force*. Should I mention that three characters actually have abandonment issues, and that we keep overlooking one because it smacked us in the face with comedy a while back?

*Runs away before shipping starts... and hides behind mike.*

I personally think kagura and mikono are bodies but amata might be kagura's power and heart while zessica might be mikono's power and strength.

That's a really interesting insight into the powers, :heh: (sucks to be Amata...). MIX and Andy is obvious, but the others due slot together quite nicely.

If you think about it, Amata and Zessica are *both* pushers, :heh:; Amata pushes himself and Zessica pushes others (even down the stairs, or otherwise away from her man, :heh:). Amata-Zessica could happen, but it seems like Zessica's simmering jealousy has to be addressed first...until it's resolved it's hard to transition smoothly into something else.

In terms of power-pairings, we have yet to see Sazanka's power. Given Schrade's comment I'll assume it's complementary to Cayenne's somehow, perhaps stealth or super-hearing?

For Sazanka, I don't count her because, while she does seem to be a nice girl and one that would be good for Cayenne's rough exterior (which is what I think was really Shrade's point), she and Cayenne are an afterthought to the plot and not nearly as important as Shrade and Cayenne's relationship. I was focusing not necessarily on couples (Kagura and Mikono are not a couple, after all) but simply that there is an apparent overlap of powers between characters who have important connections via the plot. (Which, if we add a bit more to it, brings up some further differences to Amata and Kagura. Their powers are utterly nothing alike... you'd think if they had some past connection that, maybe, their powers would be somewhat similar.)

As for Zessica, I don't know how similar her power is to Amata's because it seems to change every five or so episodes (:heh: or its just getting more vague as to what the hell it does) but you may have a point in that they both project an action or some such. Fudo does describe both of their powers as reinforcers of sort: Amata's gives flight to the Aquarion, Zessica gives strength to the Aquarion. But this is rather off on a limb for now...

As for Zessica's simmering jealousy, I've done retrospecting, and I think it actually may make sense as to why its being dragged out this long.

Our last person with abandonment issues? Its Zessica. (It was played up with ghosts before and with Mikono later for when they were in the dark, but think of her character: surrounds herself with friends and is quick to make them, keeps her insecurities a secret from everyone, puts up a strong facade, these are all classic symptoms of abandonment issues. Weren't you the one who thought that she may be all alone in spite of having all those friends around her? Her one episode preview narration is about her hidden heart...) Why doesn't she do anything about Amata? Because she doesn't want him and Mikono to leave her behind and be rejected. If she keeps quiet, she can remain friends with them. Make matters worse, Amata is the only person we've seen her trust her insecurities with in this show and, now, she's in a position where she could lose that if she says anything.

I thought the fact you were talking about Zessica was so obvious that I didn't even get you were playing "...who could it be?". So yup: she has similar abandonment issues, and we don't really know why, yet. Nicely camouflaged by the comedy, too.

And yeah, I'm the guy who can't shut up about how I think Zessica is supposed to come across as being well-liked and respected but doesn't have any "real friends", just some classmates she's familiar with (MIX and Sazanka, who were apparently the #2 and #3 female pilots, and're now the #3 and #4)...and reading your description I do think we agree more than we disagree about her, it's just a matter of degree.

Like I've been saying all along, I'd guess Zessica's underlying concern is becoming useless/outmoded, because this piloting thing is all she has. (And maybe those're all the clothes she has, and she just grew lot, but the clothes didn't grow with her...).

Jin got a huge boost in appearances and went from minor character to ED-worthy pretty fast. I'd agree Sazanka (and that Mallloy(?) guy) seem minor and irrelevant, but that could change pretty quickly.

Actually Mikono's creating bonds is more of reinforcing something that's already there, she can't magic-y it out without the existence of the possibility. While Kagura, in theory, seems to be the opposite (reversing what's there).

If you really want to stretch it: Amata's Flight vs force that could pull/force him down (Zessica's impact), but that's a stretch, IMO.

That's a much better way to word it, thanks. Neither of their abilities actually make anything and cannot function without something having been there in the first place (this is especially apparent with Kagura's ability, you cannot reverse something that does not exist or has not happened). She ties the strings, he unties them, so to speak.

Jin was said to have a "good eyesight" in his profile. :heh:

Mykage said "It has been 12 thousand years....no...24 thousand years. Where did you leave your real body?" To which Fudo responded "You yourself are bound to your old form. "And with the question came "Apollonius' wings, which glow with amber radiance, the true wings of the sun, tell me where they are."

"So tell me, the love of 24 thousand years, where are they?"

The only people who know about where the real wings of the sun was buried are Silvia, Sirius, Touma and Apollo. Which makes me wonder, I don't think Fudo is the Gen Fudo from the past. This guy, he's probably either the real Touma, or Sirius.

Think about it, there's no way Mykage could be Touma. Because Touma changed sides at the end, and he turned into a good guy at the end, and he was buried with his true love.

And with that, Mykage told Fudo that his current form was ugly; and we know from the OS that Shadow angels hate humans and think of them as an ugly race. So, Fudo might be Touma.

Now that Apollonius was mentioned, and the solar wings were mentioned, it leads me to believe also that Apollon was the name Mykage drilled into Kagura's head.

Apollo's name, the people of Vega must have changed it. They probably think its just a story. The movie skies of Aquaria, may have the names "Apollon and Sylvie"

But, now that Apollonius was mentioned...


I think that Apollo, and these people from 12 thousand years ago were forgotten. The legend of Apollonius was forgotten. In this series, Everyone who hears the story might just think that these are only myth's and fairy tales.And the only people that know of these two times, is Fudo and Mykage. And Neo-Deava academy might have hidden secrets on the people of 12 thousand years ago.

Though, has it ever occured to anyone, that the Legend of Apollonius could be reborn again and again every 12 thousand years? Since the solar wings still exist, and they are still directly connected to Apollonius?

I agree with this:

Either Gen Fudo was originally a Shadow Angel who was projecting a form like that since Genesis or Zen is Touma. I don't think he could be Sirius, because he wouldn't be alive after that long, would he? :heh:

Also, Fudo said to Mykage he brought the Red String of Fate over (something Fudo seemly dislikes to deal with. Well, guess if he's Touma, he wouldn't be all supportive of fateful lovers again?). So yeah, I'm betting Kagura is fated to end up with someone, otherwise why made that remark at all?

The wings of Sun =/= Apollo.