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Toradora! - Episode 12 Discussion / Poll

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Can't wait to see how things turn out for between Taiga and her father.

My only wish for this episode is for the animation to be improved from the previous episode's.

I don't really have an eye for these things but it looked fine to me. Then again there aren't too many shots where it'd really matter in this show. Taiga's facial expressions were priceless throughout the episode though, very cute.

The teacher need some serious counseling.

Taiga is pretty agile, she actually land perfectly after being tossed.

And the scene between Ryuji and Minorin argument is pretty well done. Kudos to the writer who keep it taut and easy to follow. Very good ep, I like it a lot.

Good episode:)

It was kinda a set-up episode for the next one, but it was very enjoyable:D

Oh, my, god, Taiga was absolutely adorable and neat in the ponytail... When she starts acting weird after Kitamura took a bite, that was a scene to remember. The part when she gets frightened of Ryuji's make up... that was absolutely priceless. I take back what I said, this episode was picture perfect.

The teacher part was totally random, but it's a nice touch to the skit.

It seems that Ryuji's concern for Taiga surpasses his crush on Minori... :)

I didn't quite understand everything due to the lack of subtitles, but I can tell the beginning was emotionally deep. Can someone explain why Taiga had that expression at the end?

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Originally Posted by wistfulloner (Post 2113025)

Spoiler for Taiga expression at end:

Seems like Minorin got upset because Taiga is with her father again. The father might be a liar and shouldn't be trusted. And that's the first time we saw Minorin get upset so that says a lot. :)

I loved Ryuuji's yankee make up with eyeliner and stuff. They shouldn't have taken it off:heh:

Spoiler for ep 12 and minorin:

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Originally Posted by FireDetei (Post 2113276)

Spoiler for ep 12 and minorin:

The common way of interpreting that line is simply

Spoiler:

I have no idea what's wrong between Taiga and her father, but Minorin's strong reaction shows that there is something pretty bad there. I don't think it can be abuse, but.... I have been pretty frustrated with Ryuuji through this whole thing: how dare he interfere in her family life. She knows her father and he doesn't. He is just misapplying his own experience to her. Don't we all, lol.

Great Ami stuff in this episode. I like her when she isn't being a selfish and aggressive b.

Can anyone say for sure why Taiga looked shocked at the end? Did her father abandon her again? What did that sign say?

Spoiler for Ep 12:

To sum up this episode, for Ryuuji's relationships with the three girls, it's really +1 with Ami, -2 with Taiga and -3 with Minorin in my opinion.

Ami: Her consoling of Ryuuji was nicely done. It further emphasize their "friendship" as one of equals where they will support each other when needed, and walking parellel with each other.

Taiga: It seemed to me that Ryuuji's really imposing his "lack of a father" wishes upon Taiga, so much so that he's really clouded right now, with his straight retort back towards Minorin and his mother, the lack of understanding of Taiga's father as a person and the truth behind them and the seemingly lack of concern on whether Taiga is really moving away to live with her father. Just a simple "It's fine if she's okay with it." is not good enough, showing his lack of desire to understand Taiga more and to be really with concerned with her and again illustrating his subconscious of not having his father with him.

Minorin: The argument was surprising to say the least. I'm really curious to what her background entails, the things that she faced that now has her in this facade she created.

In essence, it seems to me that Ryuuji doesn't really seem interested in knowing more about the three gals, especially Taiga and Minorin. He takes great care of Taiga, although at times he doesn't seem to understand Taiga's concerns and assuming things on the whole. The swimming pool scene was one example.

With Minorin, it's the same thing. Even though it's Minorin who clamps up, but with Ryuuji liking her even though he doesn't really know much about her cept for her "genki" personality, Ryuuji/Minorin is not going to have a development till Ryuuji knows the ins and outs of Minorin.

Back to the episode as a whole, the play was hilarious. Haruta/Kitamura/the rest did very well in improvising with Yuri-sensei going berserk and all. Ami's twin tails was pretty well-done, though my moe meter didn't went up very high. :heh:

In the end of this three-episode arc, perhaps Ryuuji finally understood Taiga's father's intentions, and realises his mistakes and follies. That's my take.

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Originally Posted by kyomagi (Post 2113661)

Can anyone say for sure why Taiga looked shocked at the end? Did her father abandon her again? What did that sign say?

Spoiler:

thanks a bunch. I wonder how this mini arc will end next week

does anyone know where i can download the new opening and ending theme?

Taiga's apartment seems to be cleared out. Are they renovating the place or are they moving out?

not sure if its cleared out. It just looks like it is. It seems after this last episode shes not going anywhere

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Originally Posted by kyomagi (Post 2113891)

does anyone know where i can download the new opening and ending theme?

The new opening and ending themes aren't even out yet in the anime or on CD. Also I'm pretty sure it is against forum rules to ask for direct downloads.

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Originally Posted by wistfulloner (Post 2114401)

Taiga's apartment seems to be cleared out. Are they renovating the place or are they moving out?

They are moving out, at least that's what Taiga's father says as the apartment is "too small for two people".

You really should wait for subs....

I highly doubt that will happen now. After he ditched her at the play, and Ryuuji realizing that hes a jerk, will most likely talk her out of it next week. Plus this is only a 3 episode mini arc it seems.

Once again, I have to conclude: Taiga looks much, much cuter in a ponytail. :love: :love: It's about time the image thread get some ponytail Taiga fanart in.

Artwork improved from last episode. Character dynamics remains top-notch. Ryuji shows he's no mere wimp when getting into a bust-up with Minori, when hearing her say things he feels is just wrong, from his perspective so far anyway, and he might be wrong himself, but he doesn't know that at the moment. It must feel miserable for anyone to have to get into a fight with the girl of his dreams, but it takes a certain attitude to be able to actually stand up to her if they think she's wrong.

Things will become clear in the conclusion episode next week.

Ami's character also became more interesting, ending up being the one to cheer Ryuji up after the bust-up. She has indeed changed since the trip to the summer house.

I wonder if Kitamura was eating Taiga's crepe on purpose, when he already has someone else in mind. Or is he simply just carefree to not make a big deal about these "indirect kisses"? Taiga is so adorable when she panicked and force fed the Kitamura-bitten crepe into Ryuji's mouth, and then regrets doing that afterwards. :love:

The Shadow Brigade finally made their appearance, ferrying the deranged Yuri-sensei away to the dreaded "Morgue". Ironically, her vengeful prank on her class in organizing a pro-wrestling show turns out to be a blessing in disguise for Class 2-C, as it turned out every other class decided to have their own cosplay cafe. :heh:

Trivia: Besides the student council president Sumire in another cameo, Tomiie Kouta, the unlucky protagonist of the Toradora Spinoff, also finally gets a dialogue line in. (Sumire's sister can also be glimpsed for a while. )