Hayate no Gotoku OVA (2nd Season Episode 00) Discussion / Poll
 

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got these from a japanese blog, by the way...

(moving from another thread)

Well, having seen it now, I can report that the animation quality was fine. It was a _very_ slight deviation from the Synergy standard in a few aspects, but overall, it rung very very true.

Content-wise, not much to say. As episode 0 indicates, this should be considered a prequel to re-introduce the viewer with the main characters once more, with most of them in a bigger state of undress than we should expect ANY of them throughout the TV airings

Somehow it reminded me of alot of things I liked about the S1 anime, and it gave me a couple of nice chuckles. At the same time, it also reminded me of something I detested from S1, and that's the vexing way to ignore the "serious" elements of the manga in exchange for slightly dumbed-down cutesy replacement elements.

Example: In the manga, the core storyline about the Hinagiku/Ayumu relationship spans over ~30 chapters of continuous development. In anime episode 52, we got a cruel teaser when for only a few seconds a key scene (Hinagiku confessing on the ferris wheel) is indicated as a flashback (as a reminder: Episode 52 was a timejump-episode from the future), so it would be natural to conclude that EVENTUALLY this excellent storyline would be kicked off. However, if they plan to do so, then alot of developments which have already happened "don't fit" anymore. Like for example Hina realizing that she likes Hayate. Like for example Hina and Ayumu getting to know each other. All this stuff "doesn't fit" already, and I'm worried if they will just "drop" it like they did in S1, in exchange for more unsubstantial fluff.

So, it renewed my enjoyment of the show, and at the same time, my trepidation about the show's inexplicable reluctance to touch down on the GOOD parts of the original source.

7.5/10 from me. And since now I can actually vote on it, I'll give it the nod up.

We're talking about J.C.STAFF here. I'd say the outlook couldn't be worse. (After all SynergySP seems to be doing a fine job with Zettai Karen Children, whereas continuing to watch Slayers EVOLUTION-R makes me wonder what's going on in J.C.STAFF these days....)

I hope to be pleasantly surprised though... as I haven't touched the manga I'll _probably_ still enjoy the 2nd season unless they do something stupid like forego KOTOKO and the rest of I'VE in order for ELISA of ef fame to do the opening son--oh wait.

Well the thing is rather that _S1_ by SynergySP was mutilated. If you want to understand what was removed, get the "Everything Hina" torrent I put up on Tokyotosho - 80% of the Hinagiku/Ayumu backstory was simply ignored, even though it's certainly the most meaningful long-running arc in the show.

J.C. Staff kept exceptionally close to the original in Index. Let's hope that they do the same here...

They also created as faithful an adaptation (within a harsh 25 episode constraint) of Toradora! as possible.

I suspect that the outcome of a series has more to do with the major sponsors, as well as the creative staff involved. J.C. Staff has no stake in many of their projects (including Hayate, it seems), so the series planning is often credited to other companies. If Shogakukan/GENCO/etc. mandates a certain style of show, it's everyone's job to stick to those specifications, whether or not it results in the 'ideal' adaptation.

[with GENCO, we often see shifts in teams or studios between seasons of a series, yet the basic adaptation formula remains static]

A bit off-topic, but I think you're definitely right. People just like to oversimplify the production situation. The director, series planner, character designer, and other key positions that ultimately determine the qualities of a show are often chosen directly by the production committee, and that may or may not be at all related to who they choose as an animation production firm. And all of those choices may or may not have much impact on the sort of show that gets produced -- it all depends on what restrictions/"guidance", say, the publishers of the original material decide to impose, for example. So anyway, yeah -- the Animation Production company is just one small piece of the puzzle, and there's not necessarily any correlation when it comes to the way a story is handled.

It also bears mentioning that ZKC (and the original run of Hayate) aired Sunday mornings, IE a very very very VERY desirable timeslot. Just about everything that airs then tends to be very well produced since that's the time to seize children by the throat and sell toys . In comparison, most other anime airs some time after midnight, will have horrible ratings, and be expected to make up the money on DVD sales.

If you need an object lesson, Kekkaishi's a great one. Went from excellent production when it was stuffed behind Detective Conan in primetime, to abysmal when it was moved to late night.

And pfft. Fanservice. What did you expect given the OVA's title?

And more caps if you're impatient.

erm, it is not bad for a episode, and fan service not said too over too, as alway random, random...
Can't get enough of Isumi and Hina :(, hope to see more Isumi and Hina in season 2.
looking forward to season 2.

Index was indeed an exception as you said, but how about Toradora? And since I've read the raw manga up to the newest chapter, I can tell that Hayate OVA is just a filler made by JC Staff. There was too many unnecessary fanservices, Hayate looked really pathetic, and the animation just made me sick. -_-

Well, even though Index follows the original, it sucks. And Toradora isn't, but it turns out quite well. Though HnG is not a type of show I would mind originality. Just that J.C Staff has proved themself to be horrible in editing works.

Well, it's an OVA before the main show, so what do you expect if not fanservice? Though I'm not saying that it's good. And if they don't change this later on the show, they are gonna be in trouble.

Animation wise, I think it was pretty good.

Always nice to return to old friends.

The OVA had about fifteen times more fanservice than I'm used to from the TV series, but everything in the character interactions and such was just as I remembered. Might take an episode or two to adjust to the new art style, but that's but a minor detail. Wakamoto was great, and I enjoyed Klaus mentioning waiting off screen for his appearance.

I sort of miss the sign guy and the sound bleeps, but again, minor detail. The OVA was fun.

I enjoyed how everyone had their little moments in this [Apparently Izumi, apparently. She's popular?] It was a nice intro episode and an amusing refresher.

I have the feeling the mansion changes size to fit the plot.

I really can't stand J.C.STAFF being in this show.



Art issues aside, I truly believe Higurashi Rei 01 (another pool OVA) was more interesting and definitely more amusing than Hayate!! 00. Hayate OVA had its moments but they were few (really dumb fanservice didn't ring with me) and often marred by art (hi Isumi).

I'm hoping J.C.STAFF has better art in April.... and also hoping they don't undo the things that make SynergySP (relatively) unique, such as the eyecatches (and the typesetted lyrics because they're useful).

Oh PLEASE.

Maybe your memory is failing, but the art differences between SynergySP and J.C.Staff are minimal. Pick any Hayate episode >26 and compare. I did, and I was surprised how strange some frames looked back then, and I didn't even remember it.

Sorry, but then whining about the art feels really misplaced IMHO.

Yay HnG is BAAAAACCCCCKKKKK!!!

HINAGIKU!!!!!!!!!!

The colours used in this season is richer than the previous, for example, Hinagiku's hair colour is in a darker shade of pink, and so is Wataru's maid's hair.

P.S Plenty of new and up to date parodies!! Like....

Oh, so you're the one responsible for 'spoiling' the manga for me! ;)

BTW, I'm just kidding. I actually appreciated this, since I really only wanted to read the chapters Hinagiku was in. And by reading those parts, I actually got whats up with some of the new characters in the OVA and some new items, like the Masamune.

Such a shame though that A-tan hasn't been mentioned or cameod in anyway shape or form, when she at least got a mention in one of the episodes last season *sigh* I guess you can't get everything you want. :heh:

Really. I thought the difference in art style was pretty noticeable, especially with regards to character design. Nagi's eyes look sharper and almost seem to be bigger as well, and (with a few exceptions here and there) the whole cast seems simplified compared with the first season. Actually, I think it's a good idea to do a direct comparison.

I picked a comparable frames almost (but not quite) at random, the first coming from the OVA, the second from ep 38 of the first season.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/355...1223034.th.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/729...1223311.th.jpg

At first the most noticeable thing is a light halo within the boundary of Hayate's hair, but I think we can ignore that because that's lighting. The eyes are the big difference. Hayate's eyes seem bigger in the first season character design, but also thinner along the horizontal direction. The J.C. version seems to have more round eyes, which are slightly smaller, but also give off a somewhat more "dull" feeling. There's also less contrast in the colour scheme, which also seems duller in the J.C. version. In general, the angles seem to be much less acute in the J.C. version as well. Hayate's face seems to be skinnier and longer in the Synergy version, and the angle his chin makes seems to be sharper. In fact, I think in general everything seems to be sharper in the Synergy version. You can see it quite clearly in Hayate's clothes especially. The lines are straighter, everything seems tighter and sharper, his collar is crisper. On the other hand, it kinda looks like he hasn't bothered to iron his clothes in the J.C. frame (either that, or they're a size too big).

Like I said, I almost picked the frames at random, so it might be a poor comparison, and even so it's basically a whole heap of little things. It says more that neothe0ne was able to notice a clear difference and that it took me almost ten minutes to get used to the new character designs, so there must be something different. Even if it is just a whole heap of little things, they still count, and, evidently, they still must add up. I'm not going to say that one style is better than the other at this stage (I generally don't take issue with an art style of itself, provided its consistent), but I am adamant that it's different somehow, if only because my gut is screaming at me that they are. It is, admittedly, pretty difficult to point out something majorly different, and the differences I pointed out are pretty contentious. That's why I think there are multiple little differences rather than a few major, noticeable differences.

As for the episode itself, I'm kinda of the same opinion as neothe0ne that Higurashi Rei did a better pointless swimsuit episode (partly because it went so goddamn over-the-top). As far as Hayate no Gotoku episodes are concerned, this one kinda ranks as below average. Biggest lol of the ep: Hayate catching Nishizawa's one-woman play.

Good episode ^^ "service service service ... " XD
I'm not a fan for the school's swimsuit , i prefer the normal swimsuit ^^
Hina and Ayumu are my fav :)
yeah the design changed ..

I think you guys are forgetting something important: This isn't a normal run-of-the-mill OVA. This episode was very obviously and purposely designed to re-introduce all characters, not to come up with an awesome drop-dead-funny storyline. The point was to remind long-time viewers of the tidbits and to quickly introduce new viewers to the characters.

You could run a tick list, particularly for the secondary characters. Examples:

Isumi: Soft-spoken (check), liked by Wataru (check), gets lost all the time (check), is able to banish evil spirits with her powers (check)

Yukij: Teacher (check), drinks alot (check), always short on money (check), unreliable (check), scared of Hina (check)

... and so on. All these details were worked off not because they were somehow needed or even supporting a great storyline, but they were added to prepare the viewer for season 2.

Taking this into account, the episode really wasn't bad at all. At least I had my share of chuckles, which is a decent result for a reintroduction ep.

Oh, and for the art: Compared to the changes characters go through when studios change, the difference is pretty small. I could easily make a compilation of all-SynergySP episodes in no time to point out differences in their OWN style. There's no point in arguing subjective impressions, so I won't - but at least I can't find a reason to diss the J.C.Version based on animation.

i finally saw this subbed, and I love the fact that the OVA managed to stay true to the essence of Hayate S1.

But as previously mentioned by Mentar, having read the manga, they better explain some of the stuff that they included here that were not introduced in season 1. Some holes need to be filled in, and I do hope JC Staff does not ignore those details.

And as usual, Hina is still <3.

i´m deeply disappointed, apparently it seems that their ain´t gonna be a 2nd TV season, just this OVA? please tell me i´m WRONG lol

There will be a second season. Nothing a quick trip to the show's website couldn't confirm.

The only thing that really screamed "unacceptable" to me was Isumi's face - it was seriously off for the entire OVA imo. But hey, Sorrow-K picked up that the art in general was different; and it is my opinion that the new art is inferior, but _most_ characters look the same (screenshot comparisons will tell you the hair colors are more saturated in J.C.STAFF"s and seem to lack as many strand details as SynergySP had though).

I suppose you could chalk up my huge disappointment to watching Zettai Karen Children weekly? I know that different staff were behind HnG! and ZTC, at least in the art department, but I still can't help shaking the feeling that HnG!! 2nd season's art is not SynergySP.


But again, I found the OVA relatively boring, which has nothing to do with the art - and that is something that more people seem inclined to agree with than the art issue.

I never really thought about it before, but... As far as harem leads go, Hayate really attracts flat chests, doesn't he? Who does he have that's even average? Maria and Sakuya? But they're not properly in the harem at all.

Still, Maria does look great in a swimsuit.

I wonder if I am the only one who has read the Hayate manga and still likes the anime rendition of it? I mean, the anime makes me crack up like the manga does, and thats what counts to me.

kyaa hinagiku. Its funny how she is shamelessly exploited by the animators (and narrator) in various events because she is the fan favorite of the series by a pretty decent margin.

I laughed pretty hard at this....



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Hehe. I was very glad to see this OVA on the list today, especially since I've recently been feeling the need to see Hayate as the second season is quickly closing in on us all.

To me, this was absolutely in the normal Hayate spirit. In fact, they've done a swimsuit episode in the past, but that one also had a giant robot in it...

As always, it was fantastic to see Hinagiku in the OVA, and in such detail no less. <3 Hayate is so lucky and I don't think he even knows it.

Edit: Also because I'm excited... Cheers to Hayate no Gotoku Season 2! It's starting fantastically. I'm awaiting the movement of the Hayate no Gotoku sub-forum to the "OMGAWESOME" area of Animesuki as Season 2 runs us over with its PWNT Truck.

Not at all. I love both the manga and the anime. I actually like that the anime is different; it gives it a slightly different vibe, but I find it to be just as hilarious and in-character as the manga. As for this OVA, while it wasn't the best episode of the anime ever, it was a good refresher for the cast (<3 Hina-chan) and a hint at what's to come.

I also have little complaint about the new art style. It works for me, and I might actually prefer the brighter, more colorful look given more time.

Fanservice! Hina = Love!

Really disappointed that i know Hayate wont end up with her, but i prefer when anime stick to the original material over pleasing fans.

I dont get where your coming from.(as far as the manga goes) but ill leave it that, i dont wnat to spoil to much

:eyespin: This isn't the sort of anime where the main character falls for the girl they spend the most time with. Nagi is a little young for Hayate.

Hina has a much better chance than you think considering that there's three girls his age that he's likely to end up with. A maid, a student, and an old friend. :cool:

Not much to say animation quality was nice and i like how they ignored what time of year it was and went right for the service episodes of course my favorite part of the episode was Hina long Hina oh how i missed her. Nice to have some Hayate back in the house.

Ah, I just started watching this, and felt that the animation was a little different from S1, but then I remembered that it was a change in studio. Not bad, just different. I loled at the "service, service, service" thing at the beginning of the episode. And something that's been bugging me, is Nagi reading that book upside at around 7:05?

Edit:
Actually, they just answered my question. Guess I should finish the whole episode first.

Edit 2:
Correct me if I'm wrong, since I never finished the first season of the anime, but did Hina get wooden Masumane and was the sister introduced by the end of the first season?

No, this episode was just hints of what is to come, I wouldnt be to shocked if it ended up that this was actually an epiloogue episode to the season, or a side story during the middle of it as far as timeline is concerned.

But you are right that those things werent introduced into the anime previously.

Σ(；ﾟДﾟ) AnnH?! What happened to the art?!

...
*goes to wiki*

Ahh! The studio changed?! JC... Staff... you say?!
(´・ω・｀)
For better or for worse...?
For one thing, perhaps the material in the anime will be more loyal to the manga this time, with no... what's her name, the snake person and that butler who changed size. And perhaps Ayumu-chan won't be reduced to just being a glutton who appears once in an episode eating food (appearing every episode is good, yes, but for some reason...)... (#-_-)
On the other hand... Well, the art clearly changed for the worse... The chances of them (JC) going on the "ero ero fanservice banzai" mode is...? Time will tell...
Haa... Another Kugimiya anime falls into JC Staff's hands...(ﾟc_､ﾟ　)


As for the episode...
Futsuu... (SZS-like)
The usual chaos and not so amazing but OK gags and such. A preview for the stuff to come (art-wise). Some new characters suddenly appeared out of nowhere though... (ﾟДﾟ)
I wonder if it's just me but the breasts felt abnormally big at times this episode... ( ﾟ∀。)

Uu... Listening to Kugimiya when tired is too stressing...

Actually - SynergySP has taken a few liberties with ZKC: The anime is toned down from the manga's occasionally violent and dark parts, and it skips all over the place in terms of manga chapters. So the issue of 'jumping around' and 'not true to the manga' should also apply for them.

Toradora (and Honey and Clover II) had the great benefit of the agreement with the original creator to end the series at around the same time so that the anime can get proper (and true to the original work) closure. So that works. Plotwise it's much harder to plan when you know the series will be still going.

As for 'true to the manga', I'd be happy enough if the series gave me as many laughs as S1. This OVA no exception, and I thought it was fine.

Well, but they managed to make me laugh a lot. And I don't think JC Staff will follow Hayate manga. I've read it up to 215, and I can tell that the OVA is a filler. The events in the OVA is not related to the manga. They took only a scene from 192, and modified it.

Well no duh, and the episode even states clearly :heh:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8950/...6121200.th.jpg

For the sake of...

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3088/...6121215.th.jpg

:rolleyes:

Although the art is pretty bad compared to when SynergySP was in charge. Seems like JCStaff used their B team for this ova.

Though if I remember correctly, the 2nd season of Hayate will air at night this time and not during the day?
So they can more freely show those "violent and dark" things this season, I believe.

It's just an OVA... It's too early to tell what the TV series will do.

Finished the first season today and watched this right after. I guess that made the art style changes stand out a bit more. XD

Well, better than what happened to Minami-ke IMO (only other series I've seen that switched studios between seasons). I kinda miss the rather looser, more exaggerated style for the action scenes though, and Nagi getting angry doesn't seem right without the background turning red and her eyes becoming demonic and crazy comedic violence and whatnot... just seems some of the wackiness of S1 that I loved so much has gone or been toned down. Well, we'll see once S2 airs.

As I said, I can't really complain too much, since the studio transition was still impressively smooth. Although Sakuya's face... it did look weird, I'm not gonna lie...

But, you know, for an anime original fanservice OVA I got about what I expected, and it still made me laugh. Always glad to see more HnG. Looking forward to the second season!