Anime cliche that you hate, with a good reason
Anime cliche, like movie ones can be awesome or annoying, depend on people who watched them. Some are awesome that worth to be seen many times. Some are jusk "OK" and only good to be seen for first few times and will get annoying after that. Some are so annoying just for the first time.
What is it?: Girls can't cook Worst offenders: Ranma 1/2(there just too many examples for it but I picked this one because it is the show that started this cliche) Notable exceptions: Cooking Master Boy(It takes cooking to professional way) Variants: Boys and men who cooks better than women What makes it popular: Teenage girls, like teenage boys, always dreamed of having boyfriends or husbands who can cook and hope that they can spend less time in kitchen or stay away from it for good. Reason that I hated it: They aren't much things to say except girls who can't cook often portrayed too rebellious for their own good. As for Ranma 1/2, it uses this cliche only to make Akane as cute character and her mishaps are comedic but unfortunately it started a mess, many years to come. Does the hate really worth it?: Probably yes and probably no. There is a complete aversion of this cliche: girls who loves to cook and only for moe factor alone. It is annoying as this cliche itself. |
Nice thread :D
What is it?: LONG HAIR BEING CHOPPED OFF. :frustrated: Worst offenders: Every anime under the goddamn sun just about!! Notable exceptions: Haruhi Suzumiya looks good both with long and short hair. Haruhi Fujioka only looks good with short hair. What makes it popular: Long hair is usually cut when a character wants to change.....but not always. I swear, people do it just to piss you off!! Reason that I hate it: I'm just a long hair fanatic. If you have gorgeous hair, DON'T EFFING RUIN IT!! The haircut always looks so FUGLY!!! Is the hate really worth it?: It happens way way too much to way too many characters it shouldn't and they almost ALWAYS lose their charm so I think so!! *hate hate hate* |
For some reason I have a deja vu on this thread. But I don't want to waste my time searching to necromance, and this seems to focus on a single cliche per post instead of a list, so:
What is it? Anime trying for original ideas. No seriously? Well, of course we want to change things up a bit, but the new "original" is more "outrageous," such as magical girls fighting with chainsaws. Original, huh? Worst Offenders: No specific anime example, but girls with way too interesting weapons in general. One example that comes to mind is "Go go Rubber Duckies!" (and some of you will know what I'm talking about). Notable Exceptions: Haruna (Zombie desu wa), Gunslinger Girl, Moetan (really nice parody of mahou shoujo), SHnY (presentation), Elfen Lied (specific to its airing time) What makes it popular: We all get sick of girls with swords, at least some of us. We also don't want to watch the same thing over with a slightly different plot. Reasons I hate it: It's pretty ridiculous to use your cell phone to shoot laser beams at denizens of the underworld. Is the hate really worth it? Yes, because it's usually not one anime where everyone has ridiculous weapons, but in a good anime where one character sort of ruins the whole experience. |
Starting to really loathe the whole Song & Dance Number that's become a huge sensation in anime recently. It's the purest form of pandering in my eyes (basically saying, "hey otaku, here's a cute girl singing and dancing, please support this "energetic" personality by buying the single and figures), often comes about in episodes out of the blue, often serves no purpose to the story, and has in the worst cases even supplanted real character development for the characters involved in the dancing scenes.
The only time I really want to see upwards of 3 minutes spent on a song & dance number during a shows run time is if the show is actually about singing & dancing or if it's going to play a big part in defining the character involved through dialogue and exposition later on. The fact that the majority of these song & dance bits usually seem to be forgotten about immediately after they've happened have lead me to refer to them as anime's own custom "Big Lipped Alligator Moment". |
What is it?
Harem plot that just orbits male lead stupidity.Worst Offenders? Sadly, it has become the de facto definition of a harem anime. So, yeah everything under the sun. Series like IS are just pushing it to the next frontier, to the point the main protagonist almost looks gay. Actually, maybe if he was officially gay it would probably make for more interesting plot. :heh:What makes it popular? Uh… it's not really popular; just cheap. Really cheap! It's more of a popular technique, just like filler is popular technique.Reasons I hate it? Because even a corny explanation is better. Because the crappy male lead, typically implies even crappier backplot — and that's if they don't just have X is classmate, Y is childhood friend, etc. Because female leads in this environment simply can't be anything more then one of the standard bad stereotypes we've all seen a 1000 times. Because, shit, you know he either won't end up with any of them, or pick the worst one that just happens to look pretty (on paper), never the caring one, never the deserving one, never the skilled one, never the charming one, no-no always has to be the one with the shitty attitude and problems (how else are they gonna emphasize how retarded he is). Because it's overused, and tends to creep into what should be technically "serious stories" — mind you I'm not against series like IS that are designed to be watched with your brain off, but still. |
What is it?
verbal tics Worst Offenders? Naruto and Pokémon... What makes it popular? God, knows... it's annoying and stupid. Reasons I hate it? Didn't I already mention this...? I t - i s - a n n o y i n g - a n d - s t u p i d ! ! ! |
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Set it up as a typical harem anime, and then near/at the end, have the male lead eventually come out and reveal that he's gay, and that's why he wasn't interested in any of the girls, lol. It would be a nice twist on the whole "Indecisive Harem Lead" trope, lol. |
I have to say, I don't remember any verbal tics in Naruto and Pokemon. Care to enlighten me?
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In pokemon, it would be just when almost every pokemon talks, since they can only say their own name.
Verbal tics can be pretty annoying if used in excess. Of course, nothing can compare to the verbal tic hell that is the first few episodes of Kanon. :heh: Oh god. |
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[edit] Archon_Wing damn you :D |
I'm surprise nobody mentions this yet :heh:
What is it? Comic-relief Best friend to Main Character. Worst Offenders? Er wow, where to begin? I'll just mention the latest ones- Zombie and Dragon Crisis. What makes it popular? I don't know, I'm not a doctor, scientist, lawyer, or politician. But I do know that almost every romance/comedy has that one best friend that always lament that the main character gets all the girls while he acts stupid and gets nothing. Reasons I hate it? Hate might be too strong a word, but I do feel bad for that guy, why can't the best friend get any girl? And all they do is complaint about it, they should just try to steal girls away from the harem, there's always one or two girls that don't get enough loving right? Actually, some of these guys are pretty decent, but the creator dictates that they be single forever. |
What is it?: Parents of the main character being dead.
Worst offenders: Pretty much any anime made after the 1980's... and before as well. :p Variants: Variants? I don't know, maybe brother or sister being dead? Notable exceptions: Only when the parents are the kind that they're so rich they're always travelling for business, which is just another excuse for them to never appear in the story anyway. What makes it popular: I'm not even sure. Maybe it's been used so much it's become some sort of rule of anime. And because parents are boring, and it makes space for some drama. Does the hate really worth it?: I think so, since it's unbelievably overused. What kind of universe is it where every teenager must have a dead parent? |
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I generally have low tolerance for the instances where the author introduces a character so powerful to the point where they can only be defeated by some illness. There are times when there is adequate set-up for this so as not to appear like a complete ass-pull, such as Fist of the North Star (you might know who I'm talking about), but most of the time it becomes a plot device when one writes themselves into a corner. Naruto is especially bad with this.
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Though I'd argue this cliche was actually done well in: Spoiler for Legend of The Galactic Heroes:
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For the most part it's just a lazy way of stopping parents getting in the way of the plot, but suddenly you realize why most of these kids are messed up in the head. ;) So yea, it actually makes me happier to see loving parents in an animu as well-- because it's rare and it really shouldn't be. |
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My pet peeve.... What is it? The sudden "Power Level" increase. (Or the equivalent) Worst Offenders: Dragon Ball Z. After you start hitting 1 million, and scouters start exploding whenever a main character gets constipated, it's just too much. Variants: Bleach (bankai/hollowfication/etc), Naruto (chakra/overpowered techniques), etc. There's quite a few. Notable Exceptions: TTGL. Stuff gets bigger throughout the series, but they never lose sight of placing character development (that burning, manly will :D) over powerups. Code Geass might be an exception as well. While it sometimes gets sidetracked by technology powerups, it ultimately is focused on the characters, not the Knightmare frames. What makes it popular: Probably the fact that those powerups are pretty exciting short-term, assuming they aren't COMPLETELY plot-kai. Sometimes they are (Bleach; Ichigo vs. Ulquiorra final battle), sometimes they aren't (DBZ, post-Krillin's death). Why I hate it: It's taken over modern shounen anime to the point where powerups are becoming a poor substitute for real plot-writing. Bleach especially, where Ichigo survives more fatal wounds due to unexplained powerups than Naruto says "-dattebayo". At least in Naruto there's an explanation for why Naruto is so durable. In Bleach, Ichigo has none of that. Just plot-kai. |
What is it? Girls beating up guys.
Worst Offenders: Almost every show out there...it will be easier to just list the exceptions below. If I have to say the freshest example in my mind, it is the Index/Railgun franchise... Notable Exceptions: Kaze no Stigma - somehow the male lead is able to dodge everything the girl throws at him. Maybe because Kazuma is so AWESOME. There are probably other examples, but right now I can't think of any... What makes it popular: I keep asking myself that. For girls, maybe they like seeing it because it feels more empowering. Funny thing is...it's popular among guys as well. Maybe they feel envious about the guy in question being a "chick magnet" and like to see him getting beat up. Reasons I hate it: Well...it's unrealistic and it's demeaning to men. It makes them look weak and disposable. Is the hate really worth it? Probably not, since it's mostly used as a comedic gag but I can't help it. If you can tell me how not to be bothered by it...please let me know. |
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Though on the other hand Kanzaki beat really beat up Touma badly, but then I again I am pretty sure picking a fight with anyone who uses magic, and 2 meter katana is a bad idea in the first place :D. |
What is it?: Unnecessary Fan Service
Worst offenders: I really don't feel like searching my recently concussion-ed head for specifics, but I can say, any anime that isn't centered around ecchi that throws shit out there expecting it to be funny. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not laughing. Or getting a boner. Notable exceptions: You can excuse anime such as harem, since a large proportion of its plot is devoted to ecchi and fan service. I really don't care when they do it, but when I want a straight story and action, random panties and clothing dampening just doesn't hit it with me. Variants: There's funny, and then there's the pointless. I rarely see the former. What makes it popular: It sells. People want to see their favorite female being humiliated or oblivious to her apparent cuteness or lack of dignity. Which brings me to another peeve: female manipulation. Even male manipulation! But that's for another time. Guys want to rage, and girls... What do they want? Anyways... Put simply; sex sells. Reason that I hated it: I honestly don't find 99% of all fan-service/ecchi moments even remotely funny. It's in the way, unnecessary, and forces me to hide my iPhone from prying parental eyes whenever I just want my daily anime fix. Does the hate really worth it?: Well, if we go by personal opinion, of course it is. Freaking perverted Japanese! :heh: |
What is it?: Psycho-lesbian characters
Worst offenders: Toaru Majutsu index/Railgun & Baka To Test Notable exceptions: Um, Azumanga Daioh? Variants: Female characters who would beat up men just to be with the girl they love, disturbingly What makes it popular: The popularity of Tsundere culture & LGBT lifestyle. "Hey, she makes herself look like she hates men, so she must have a lesbian following, right?" Reason that I hated it: They're annoying, irritating and anti-climatic. Oh, and It's HOMOPHOBIC! Does the hate really worth it?: Yes. Not only is it homophobic, it gives an impression that all lesbians are psychos who prey on friends with dishonesty. In my opinion, Characters like Kuroko from Railgun and Miharu from baka To Test are giving lesbians in Japan a bad name, and it's a step backwards from positive portrayal of LGBT characters in anime, especially for those meant towards the straight otaku market. |
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From what I've heard yaoi doesn't really have this problem, at least not to such an extent. So maybe we can add sexism to the charge of homophobia while we're at it. |
@Taufiq91: I already hate both yaoi and yuri genre as I discovered that both of them are nothing more than just fapping material for straight people, both men and women. So far I never encountered any yaoi fangirls or yuri fanboys who actually looking for "emotional and realistic" portrayals of gays and lesbians.
Back to topic...The complete aversion of the OP... What is it?: Girls and women who loves to cook only to be look cute and sexy in the eyes of men. In other words, "moe" factor. Worst offenders: Magikano, Sister Princess, K-On!, Yosuga no Sora(yes even one of my favorite shows included). Notable exceptions: Probably none. In Yumeiro Patissire the lead girl learn baking cakes and desserts professionally, not to look cute while lots of fans find her cute doing it. In Yakitate Japan!! one of the anti-heroine(and later protagonist) wears bikini to distract one of the protagonist. While it may considered sexist but its actually an important plot element. Variants: Girls and women who can't do nothing but cook. Kasumi from Ranma 1/2 is the best example. What makes it popular: Ahhh the sexism. There's nothing better seeing your beautiful girlfriend or wife smiling at you in dining room with a roasted turkey and grilled salmon on the dinner table after hard day working even though its not Christmas or Thanksgiving Day. Reason I hated it: Again the sexism. It just as annoying as the opposite which I already mentioned earlier. Both men and women are as just as guilty to each other when it comes to this issue. Both wanted some sort of sex symbols. Okay people, cooking is for survival, profession and something to tie the family bond. Not something to look cute and sexy. Does the hate really worth it?: Absolutely yes. I wish I can see more characters who are good at cooking and only do so to fill his or her empty stomachs, not as sex symbol. |
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Even Kuro from KNJ annoys me.....she's such a bitch. I don't hate her but it's like "....um, you could be a LITTLE nicer, you know?" lol But the character who really started causing my hate was um.... Spoiler for Do not click if you're a huge yuri fan.:
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Spoiler for "Aww cute. XD:
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What is it?: OMG HE'S BEHIND YOU
Worst offenders: DBZ is one, like, OMG FRIEZA'S BEHIND YOU!!!ADEHSHIHGIW! Notable exceptions: Umm...can't think of any at the moment Variants: I guess in like ninja shows, it could be all, OMG A ...... Log....is behind you........AND NOW HE'S BEHIND YOU, OMG!!!11 What makes it popular: It's just a common cliche of fighting anime Reason that I hated it: It's so predictable, I could be watching a fighting anime for the first time and predict the moment this happens before it even does Does the hate really worth it?: Not entirely, it's just a pet peeve of mine and probably someone else's too. |
National/ethnic stereotypes. Sometimes it can be played for laughs, and I usually detest PC, but the stereotypes of countries for characters is just tiresome to me. American - blue eyed blond with big boobs (if female). Don't even get me started on black characters. British - invariably a snooty aristocrat. German - militaristic. Chinese - cheongsam, double bun "ox horn" hairstyle, will speak in stilted Japanese, some sort of "Chinese-style" music will play when they appear. At least Chinese characters wearing the Mao suit seems to have faded from modern anime.
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@Kameruka, I am starting to think you just haves something againist cooking in general :heh::uhoh:. Also just wondering what girl would say from K-On is this applied to, as the only one who was shown to regularly cook would be Yui's younger sister, Ui.
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Also a lesbian gone "Psycho" can be done for much more serious and meaningful reasons, such as in my opinion Chikane from KnM, which was due to her realizing she had killed her lover in their past lives againist her will, and she forced to either kill her lover again, get her lover to kill her, or let the world end, so I think that's pretty legitimate grounds for having a character go "psycho". /On Topic now: What is it?: A character "leaving, or moving away" except they don't Worst offenders: Sora no Woto having a character leave for "political marriage" yet only to return thru a plot excuse annoyed me greatly, Shakugan no Shana this one is here because Shana AND Yuuji both planned to move away/leave multiple times yet stayed in the city thru the whole series, Ore no Imouto see episode 12. Notable exceptions: Kobato. exempted because it wasn't something Kobato was planning to do rather happened because of something out of her againist her will[and I don't mean job/parents/family/etc] and was well done and foreshadowed. Variants: Character leaving "forever", only to be gone briefly and then reappear back in the series there after. What makes it popular: It's easy drama for the writers to make I suppose :heh:. Reason that I hated it: It's just played for drama ussually to make the view worry that the character make actually be gone, when they just stay where they were in the end, so the drama was for nothing. Does the hate really worth it?: Considering how much it's used, I'd like to say yes since it results in a stall/filler to the series for actual plot or development ussually. |
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Now your earlier post about girls who CAN'T cook I agree with. It plays on the much outdated assumption that girls, especially feminine ones, are supposed to be good at cooking and then plays a "twist" that, oh the shock(!), she can't! Even worse is how greatly exaggerated this "bad cooking" trick can get, with each new example trying to outdo the earlier ones to ridiculous and most importantly unfunny boundaries. Like people passing out or feeling sick from eating the food and torturing themselves as they attempt to not offend the cook (Bakatest and Clannad, I'm looking at you). Or the character shown turning the kitchen into some horror dungeon with fire, ash and spilled food everywhere in their attempt to brew an edible concoction (Shakugan no Shana and ef: a tale of memories). It's not funny, it's just tragic. To contribute my own peeve: What is it?: The BOING sound when breasts bounce or touch something. Worst offenders: Anime scenes that incorporate this cliche tend to be easily forgotten, but I remember Himeji Mizuki's audible boobs from Bakatest and Yoko's from Gurren Lagann. Notable exceptions: Most anime with bouncing breasts actually. But the ones that feature it stick out badly. What makes it popular: Writers who think the audience is dozing off need to get the audience to pay attention to the moving mammaries whether they want to or not. In other words, "Look, fanservice! By the way, you're an idiot for not noticing before so I added sound effects." Reason that I hate it: It's probably some combination between the fact that it is completely pointless and my own OCD reminding me that breasts simply don't sound like that. For the former, do we really need that sound? Why can't we just witness the sight in its visual glory alone? For the latter, yeah, breasts hardly make any sound near to that and we know it. It even detracts from the fanservice because I'm paying too much attention to that blasted implausible sound effect to appreciate the breasts. Is the hate really worth it?: Probably not, as I said earlier part of this peeve is due to my personal refusal to suspend my disbelief in the face of such a trivial sound effect. But it's not entirely unfounded, as its use tends to make the situation feel artificial and plastic. |
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Without that BOING sound bouncing breasts alone are mostly fine. I don't recall the sound effect being used in Gunbuster. According to the staff, the 'Gainaxing' in Gunbuster was not just there for fanservice but part of an effort to make the characters seem more alive and animated. And the cliche I mentioned doesn't automatically discredit an anime anway as Gurren Lagann is one of my top anime. :heh: |
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The weird part is that the anime series don't use the boing sound often have far, far better animated breasts. |
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I dont think I need now :D |
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A thread about cliches I hate? I must. . . resist. . . making a ten page long post. What is it?: Tsundere chicks. Worst Offenders: Oh, let me see. . . just about every romance anime ever. Notable Exceptions: Magikano, My Bride is a Mermaid, and ToraDora! are all very entertaining series while including a tsundere. What makes it popular: I honestly have no idea. Is the idea of a girl who will beat you up but love you underneath all of that really that sexy? Guess you can hold her hand after she puts you in the ER. Reasons that I hate it: It's way too overused. Tsunderes are so common now a days that they revert to being one note characters with tsundere being their only distinguishing trait. Tsunderes are only fun to watch if they evolve past that point. Is the hate really worth it? Yes and no. Overused and tired cliches are a bad thing, and I really hate them, but plenty of people like tsunderes. I don't want to get rid of them entirely but want to see more tsunderes with deeper characterization. Tropes and cliches are only as bad as you write them. |
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Quickly realizing the cliche that every non-main character/villain soldier from any militaristic organization/society is a bumbling good-for-nothing loser without an aim or balls is getting over-used and quite annoying.
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